February 6, 2025 • 50 mins
Max is still painting the picture of Super Bowl week in New Orleans. The guys talk more about the Steelers QB position after recent comments from Jay Glazer.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is in the locker Room, presented by Ford and
brought to you by acro Sure, the official insurance and
cybersecurity partner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, by Bett MGM, Huntington Bank, PNC, PEPSI,
and by FedEx. Where now meets next? Now here's Craig
Wolfley and Max Starks.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
All right, we are inside the locker room here.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Welcome, welcome one in all.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Our good buddy, and of course you know our brother
Craig still out, still on the mend, but we shall
keep proceeding. Please make sure you keep them in your
thoughts and prayers, you know, for.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Speed, for our full recovery.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We don't say speedy recovery around here, A full recovery.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So you know, I, you know, I hope we can
get Wolf's back soon, you know, just so we can
close things out properly. But health is more important than
anything else.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Health is wealth. So I want him to get want
him to get healthy.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It is a it is a Thursday, and on Thursdays
it just means it's.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Just two more days closer to Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So all right, I we are we are quite literally
waiting all day for Sunday.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Night at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean there's not much. Nobody's done
anything stupid yet.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Although Max, did you see that one of your former
teammates and a former opponent we're close to throwing fists
on Radio Row yesterday?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And yeah, yeah I was. I mean, but here's the
funny thing. So I'm sitting there.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And because I thow because when I went into Radio Row,
I saw I saw Joey Porter, and I saw Peas
and I'm like, oh, I'll catch up with Peas a
little bit. And then I saw Jerome. When I got
to the set, I got the.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Jerome was doing. I was doing an interview for.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Fantasy Football Radio, one of those, so I saw him.
And then I saw Miles Garrett come into Radio Row
and and he went and did a He went and
did an interview with People magazine. Okay, And I'm like, Okay,
(03:11):
this is weird because he walked into her.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Because People has like a setup to do. There's stuff kind.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of in in the SXM area film, but yet it's radioed.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Most radio is filmed, now, you know what I mean, Like,
what are we doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Everybody has a clip, right, I mean, I guess that's
what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's like kind of how streaming south streaming services have
almost turned into cable. It's like, wait a second, we're
just going back to We're going back to the future here.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Exactly pretty much.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So I was like, all right, okay, and then I
hear this rackus sound because the iHeart slash you know, yo,
that Nightcap show.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I think as well, yes, yes, that is.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
The uh it's the Ocho Cinco and Shannon Sharp show
called Nightcap.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And I heard I heard, like, you know, I could
hear Deebo's voice. Yeah, and I heard the it was
like laughing, right, because Debo wasn't serious correct at the beginning, right,
and and Ocho took it personal. And then you know
what ensued was Ojo getting sensitive and he was because
(04:41):
he was talking about he you don't listen, don't don't
threaten about we need to get in the ring, you know,
and and duke it out.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I would pick another target, yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Pick a different target than Debo.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And he's like, ah, my wind is too good, I'm
too athletic. I'm like, man, okay, all right, I bet
whatever you understand.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You understand, David and Goliath is such a famous story
because because David never beats Goliath, right, Like, that's a
that's a one off thing there, oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, exactly. And also that was in the Bible. Your
your fight is not getting written in the Bible. But yeah,
because guess how many David types probably went against Goliath
in the past before we got to David.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You only hear about the triumphs, but you don't see
all the all the defeats.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's a reason why Goliath was Goliath. He had legis
started somewhere. You'd hear Zachariah and Goliath. No, Zachariah is
in the ground with a headstone somewhere.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
He's gonna be a heck of a to get a
name like that as well too.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean, come on, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So you know, for O show to kind of catch
those type of feelings, I was like, man, a little
inappropriate and you got two steeler dudes there, I'm like,
why are you talking so much?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Mass Now?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Pas was the most subdue that which is crazy for
me to say, crazy that the most abdude person.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
On the stage was pasy Joey Porter.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Joey Porter is a calm one in the situation.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean, you really got something going on, There's no
doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And he was.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
He was, by far, I think, the most level headed person,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, like, man, I'm just walking by man now, I
was I'm about to get slapped.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He was like, I was just trying to chop it
up on a podcast for a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I'm not trying to get in the middle of a
rumble here.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Almost like, hey, y'all asked me to come on here.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You bring bring guests on here and just throw them
right into a pay per view? Is this how you
guys are roll?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's man, I'm like, it's it's just it was so
so yeah, so so yes. I did hear about the
spat and kind of just what the guys.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
We're talking about. And I mean it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Too far from from where I was at, so it
was just like, oh my god. So you know, I
mean that I feel like that's kind of, you know,
par for the course. I mean, you put a put
a Bengal and a Steeler together, could happen, could happen
very easily.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, no, there's no denying that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And it did, like it was kind of because you're right,
just the tone of it was bizarre because at first
you're like, uh, you know, it's just two old rivals.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
These guys used to go at it all the time.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
They've probably got somewhat of a relationship now, right, I
mean kind of like maybe maybe like you and the
Helodi Knada story that you shared, right, not that they're
besties or anything like that, but they've maybe kind of
made nice a little bit from their playing days. And
then all of a sudden, one of them is is
is clearly not having the same energy as the other
one has has taken things personally, one is kind of
(08:22):
escalating the situation, and you're like, oh, this is not
just some you know, some playful friendly banter between two
guys who used to compete his division rivals, Like, oh no,
this is escalating a little bit here.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I mean because I mean because I feel like
James was already kind of in a lighter mood, like
he wasn't trying to get serious, yes, right at the beginning,
and Ojo kind of escalates the situation and then you know,
(08:56):
you start seeing a little like engines on the baseboard
right where you know there there there, there's.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
A little bit of chipping away at it. Oho, you know, smile.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
He starts to become a little bit more pointed, you know,
and then choo choo chew, you know, and then Debo
recognizes it. So Deebo didn't get goes into petty mode,
you know, and then he asked him about how many
rings he got this, that and the other, and then
next thing you know, it's it's just full on devolved,
(09:32):
you know, bickerig back and.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Forth, steels, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He was like, oh my god, I'm like, this is
like pre pregay Steelers Bengals. After after the the new
rule had been implemented that you couldn't go to the
forty nine and a half yard line because the last
time we did that, we had we had we had
we had we had the Brown Steelers brawl. And yet
(09:58):
that one.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And that that was the day the Debo really started
to make his mark in the in the NFL as well, too.
Kind of funny full circle there in the conversation. But yeah, two, Max,
I also want like I'm I am as you know
with some of these things, there's always the cynical side
in me that is, like, what was was Ocho just
doing all of that to get everyone to do what
(10:20):
they're doing today? Talk about that situation which gets them
to bring up the podcast, which drives listeners and downloads
and clicks and impressions to his podcast. Like, there's the
cynical side of me that thinks Ocho is just doing
it all, like, you know, for the publicity of it,
if you will do he does he really think you
get in a ring with Deebo, you get what I'm saying, like,
(10:42):
or does he just want people to listen to this podcast?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I feel like you know he does.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
He does a certain amount of things for attention, right, Yes,
they'll say whatever, but then he will actually do some
of the stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So in lies the irony. I have to believe that
he could he I mean, he could. I could see
him realistically wanting to believe that he could do so
against Debo. I believe that, sure, sure, But I also
know that you want your subscribers up so you can
(11:24):
make more monetary games, So maybe you do just randomly
pick a balanced fight to customize the suit that you want,
I don't know, from the money that you make from
doing the podcast, and then you know that you've already
spent in your mind, you know what I'm saying, Like
I could, I can see it both ways sadly with Ocho, right,
you know, normally it's a clear one. But I truly
(11:47):
believe that dude, he did do things he can he
can he can knock out debo. Well, because that's the
way he was talking about remember like some of the points, right, yeah,
he's like, you know what I got to speak why
I'm tired of people always just because you're smaller, you
don't mean you automatically lose blah blah blah. And you
(12:08):
know that kind of clip got a lot of likes. Yeah,
I want to say, like ten thousand likes like really quickly.
I'm sure, so you know that, I mean there was
there was like some gloves and stuff, so I mean
I would say, I mean there was. I also, you know,
we just need to find a sponsor and actually just
(12:28):
do it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Let's see if he actually gets to the ring. How
about that?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that's the thing too, I mean, you know if
they did it, would do numbers because that like now everybody.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's become. The thing is these like I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Say celebrity boxing matches because they're both athletes and highly
accomplished athletes, but you also get what I'm saying, like
they're not highly accomplished boxers, and that that would be
another one of those like I.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Would much rather watch.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I would much rather watch Debo and Oho duke it
out than like one of the Paul brothers. To say,
you know, so there would be that intriguing element as
well too.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
You need to say you wouldn't want to see Logan
Paul getting the ring with Ojo Sinker.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
No, I'm good on that.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I'm good on watching the Paul Brothers box random people
for the rest of time, or even someone like Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
But Debo versus Ocho, there would.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Be obviously a ton of storylines, there would be a
ton of attention, there would be a ton of intrigue.
But yeah, I mean, I guess that's the next the
next point, right, can you find a sponsor? Could you
find somebody to stream it or broadcast it? And then
going from there, But man, Ojo, I don't know, buddy,
I don't know if you want this smoke.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, but I mean, but that's what Chad does, man,
I mean said that. Chad's been that way for the
longest time. Yep, you know so, I mean you know
there's no surprise there that you get on get on
a show with him.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And we're all in the same era.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, he's gonna feel some type way super Bowl week,
we took away one of their super Bowl chances.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Mm hm. You know he still feels like we purposely
took out Carson Ponent. We did not.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Watch the film.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I was like, Hemo gets pushed from behind into Carson,
So don't act like that. But yeah, it's one of
those things that you you just look at it just
you know, like some things will never change. I mean,
this is that also goes to show you that we
came from an era where we're not all just trying
to be friends.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
That is.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yes, that part is refreshing. I I I uh, that
part is refreshing.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I'm not gonna lie, like do I do miss that
that Like true old school vitriol, it still pops out
sometimes but isn't nearly as relevant as it used to be.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
In your Guys day.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I don't like you because I don't like you
because you play for the opponent, because you know your
your shoes are yellow today, I don't like you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So, you know, we just had and it wasn't anything. Later.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Max Motes told me one time he used to think, like,
there's seven billion people in this world. I'm not gonna
get along with everybody. I'm not supposed to get along
with you.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh my gosh. See there we go.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
See sometimes it's like, hey, listen, listen, I don't like you,
and don't think I'll ever like you and be okay
with that.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Like you go this way, I'll go that way. It's
just fine, you know, it just is what it is.
We don't have to like each other.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, and we don't ever have to look back and
wonder what if just keep walking, dude, if we if
we ended up on a circle who run into each
other again, maybe we could revisit it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
But no, I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I got enough friends, so you know, and that's kind
of just that mentality that we.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Had back in those early two thousands. You know, I
was talking with Actually, you know what, We're.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Gonna go to break and then I'll come back to
the other shide Boom teased it all right, We'll be
back with more here inside the Locker Room on Steel's
Audio network.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
This is in the Locker Room, presented by Ford and
brought to you by acro Shure, the official insurance and
cybersecurity partner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, by Bett MGM, Huntington Bank, PNC, PEPSI,
and by FedEx. Where now meets next? Now here's Craig
Wilfley and Max.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Stark's alrighty back.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
In the action, which is the locker room. You know,
I was kind of talking about alluding to who I
was having a conversation with before we went to break.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, I've been waiting. I've been waiting with baited breath
on this.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So I got a chance to talk to Bernie Kozar.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Ooh, Cleveland's finest.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's right, I mean, probably one of the best.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I guess he'd probably be one of the best quarterbacks
to ever played for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think, is that easy to say? West No doubt.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I mean, I think he's got to be at the
top of the list, right, especially in terms of like
what he what he did in Cleveland, right, Like you
could argue some of these guys like a like a
Joe Flacco his career being better, but he didn't do
that in Cleveland. So yeah, in terms of like what
they did in a Browns jersey, I think it's got
to be Bernie Kosar.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think that's the best way, what he did in
a Browns jersey and consistently did in the Browns jersey,
which is also another thing that's tough to say for
the q BE position in that.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Part of Ohio, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Eastern Ohio.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Most famous Eastern Ohio professional football player team participant quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah I mean still quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah, still Jim Brown overall for sure, but quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And like you know this, I lived in Youngstown, Ohio,
you know, kind of that northeast area, only like an
hour outside of Cleveland for two years when I was working.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
For the hockey team.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
They love Bernie Kosar like he he would be the
He was like the celebrity guest at our hockey team's
golf outing every year and people love them like like
so he is. He's a very beloved figure there amongst
Browns fans, without a doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, so so yeah, so I'm sitting there and I
have an opportunity to talk.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And by the way, pretty Cozar, pretty freaking tall.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Man, pretty tall Max, no doubt. And I don't know
if he still does. But when I was working for
the hockey team and he would come to our golf
outing every year, he could put him down back in
the day too, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, so he has he has slowed down
on putting it down.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Happens to us all. You know, darn shame what they
did to that dog.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But you know, I think, you know, because he was
you know, he kind of was sharing with me like
kind of some of this story.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And you know, he was talking about, uh, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Type two diabetes diagnosis, and you know, just about some
of the like dimension things from the hits and all
that kind of stuff, and was just talking to me
about some regenerative stuff that he's been doing. He's like
the beautiful thing about being down in Miami, because I was.
He went to University of Miami. For those that didn't know, Yes,
he played undergrad at University.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Of Miami, so had a lot of success there, a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Success there, and so you know, he was kind of
talking to me just about some of the things that
he's found that's helped him, you know, some of the
things that you know, lower glucose and things that have helped
with you know, trying to repair the mind and getting
him to a point where he could be, you know,
(20:17):
here right now, because he's like, man, yeah, he's like
being able to sit there and have these conversations. He's like,
you know, it's it's something that's valuable and you know,
and I can keep my thoughts together. He's like, you know,
cause there was there was a time a couple of
years ago before I started doing all his research, and
he said, you know, jumping on like pilot programs at
(20:38):
the neuro department at University of Miami at UM being
close to it, and he's like, the one thing I
found has been you know, doing raw coffee powder and
pee protein like as a combo.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So yeah, I was like, oh, he's like, yeah, we're
just starting.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I'm like, dude, let me know. As soon as y'all
start making it, just just let me know.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, I want to do whatever it is correct.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Uh He's so here's what he said. He said.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He said, Uh, he has type three diabetes. Which is Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Okay, so yeah, so that's what he has.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, not quite Parkinson's, but yeah, but he's the Alzheimer's
and the dementia combo that he's he's trying he's currently
trying to fight.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So that's that's kind of similar to the same thing
Jim McMahon is dealing with.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Correct correct similar things and and so, I mean, so
it was, it was. It was a fascinating conversation. But
he wasn't down. It wasn't like he was telling it
as a downer type of conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, now he was. He
was showing that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know, he's like he he wants to fight and
he and he wants to you know, let everybody else
know that he is fighting and that he's not saying it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He's like, I don't want to pity. I don't want
I don't I don't want, you.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Know, people to say, oh man, you know, feel bad?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Whato was you?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
He's like, absolutely not. He's like, in fact, it's the opposite.
I want people to understand it. But also see that hey,
I'm kicking these things butt and I'm a fit and
you know, people you know, the research dollars count, and
you know, I'm one of those guys has benefited from
those richards, and more and more guys like me, you know,
(22:35):
especially in the NFL side, you know, could benefit from
these type of things.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
So please keep you know, you know, supporting. Don't think that.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's it's something that doesn't count, that that you're just
giving it away for a tax. Right off, He's like,
you're actually helping and changing people's lives. And so that's
why it's kind of what he was delivering his messaging,
you know. And you know, he was talking about the
quarterback situation, but I I thought that was really the
big thing, was him talking about just the willingness to
(23:06):
fight and the fact that he's here to show people
that it works. I mean, which I'm like that that's
pretty awesome. That's pretty awesome, you know, because i mean,
you know, people could fade into the background.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
People can do you.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Know, nothing and suffer in silence or think that they're
in a silo by themselves and nobody will understand. And
Bernie was like, Nope, I'm gonna sure whoever wants to
hear it. I'm proud about it. And so and he
was just you know, he was just delighted to talk
to me, and you know, and we just had a
(23:40):
really really good just conversation just over about to said,
I mean we talked. I would say we talked for
abrouatly about twenty five minutes. It was a very very
good conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And then of.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Course, you know, I was like, hey, you know, might
might might have played with one of the you know,
I might work with one of the guys you played
with in Cleveland. And it was like, you know, it
was I was like, yeah, Ron Wolfley. He's like what Ron,
Oh my god. Ro's my god. And he really opened
up with that, he said, and then he was like,
(24:11):
and you know, you ever come across Craig. I'm like, yeah,
I come across. He's my color analyst. And on the
side he's like, and we did it.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
We do it showed you, Oh my god, yeah Craig did.
So it was it was like it was really cool.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know, I'm like had had had had to had
to throw around my Wolfly connection card.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I feel like, you know, I need like some type
of like business card that says like between.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Two wolves, you know, two Wolves and.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Uh between two Wolves the Max Stark story.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yes, exactly exactly. You know, I feel like that would
be a really good title.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
If if I was, if I was ever has to
make up my own content, show that is good.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Next time, it'll be two years till we're scheduled to
travel out to Arizona for the Steelers to play out
there again.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
We'll have to do something for the pregame show a segment.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Uh, you know between two between two Wolves with Max
Stark's or something like that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, yes, I mean we we we did have it
on air when we had that lightning.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
We did, Yes, yes, which.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Right, I was gonna guess if they're of all the
times for us to get a lightning delay, you never
want to get a lightning delay.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But at least it was then when we had Ron
Wolfley in.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
The booth right next to us, and we're able to
uh to create some some some fun memories in that regard.
But no, Matt, I'm glad you share all that, and
and and your conversation with Bernie and and what he's
actively hunting down and working towards and researching, and how
you want to you know, be involved, be a participant,
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in those type of things. Like I think that stuff
means a lot to the general public. When you see athletes,
when you see like big, successful, hulking humans who are
open about their health struggles, I think that does a
lot for the general population, Like I really do, because
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I think for so long, with so many of these things,
these different things in life, we had stigmas around these
of like you bury it deep down insides, you don't
talk about it, you fight your battles yourself, you suffer
in silence, that type of thing. And I don't know
if in the last decade or so, we've done a
lot of good things as a society, but that, to me,
(26:42):
I think is one of them. Really In my kind
of adult life, I've seen a lot of mental health issues,
a lot of different health issues, a lot of different
things that we used to never talk about before that
people are now very open to sharing their struggles, sharing
their triumphs, so all these different things, And I do
think that means a lot to the general public because
when you see, you know, these big six foot five,
(27:05):
hulking human beings that are being open and real and
emotional about their day to day grind and struggle, I
think a lot of people relate to that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean, and I think I think it is important,
right because I think some people kind of you know,
not to say everybody does, but some people kind of
put athletes in this superhuman category. Yes, you know that
we're kind of immune to life, you know, to a
certain degree. Now, I mean, I believe there's a lot
of you know, more mature fans that would understand, yeah,
(27:38):
now you're.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Human just like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But some people still kind of hold that regard, right,
because those athletes you hold and you know, in high regard,
and you know, you don't want to believe that they
fall ill of those things because you know, quote unquote,
you have access to the best stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
We don't. We don't have it. You know, you have
to find it, you have to work towards it.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And when you have guys who are struggling, who are
going through you know something, it's like, well, well, how
could he he has all this? You know, you think
of the success, like you said, for Bernie Bernie Cozar,
I mean, you know, to be you know, one of
the all time great quarterbacks of Cleveland in their franchise's history.
(28:17):
You know, you don't think about him being that type
of guy, right, because you know, you probably say, you
know in the you know, in the Browns Annals of history,
like you said at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I mean, Jim Brown's still.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
One of those guys you know, you know, you have
you have Kellen Winslow, and you have you know now
of course Joe Thomas, I mean, and of course now
one of the guys that's looking to have a new
start in Miles Garrett. Yeah right, I mean, he will
go down as one of the all time great Cleveland Browns.
I mean, he amassed one hundred and two and a
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half sacks in his time in Cleveland, I say in
his time because he's requested a trade if anybody hasn't heard,
and he's looking.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
To move on elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
But he will still go down as you know, an
all time great in Round's history.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Especially especially in the twenty first century as well too, right,
like their modern history.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, so so yeah, so, I mean it's
gonna it was really intriguing because I think you have
to share those things because sometimes people forget, and you know,
you want to make sure you share it with as
many people as long as you can, right, And you know,
if you can change somebody else's life, I think that's
the kind of thing, right, If you can change somebody
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else's life or the better by sharing your story and
you get somebody to open up that might not have
wanted to open up, then that's what you do, right,
That's what you have to have, the fight.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
For the human experience.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Man, No, it is. It is. Well, Hey, we're gonna
step aside. We'll be back with more.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
We've got an intriguing little tidbit that we got to
share with you guys. Some certain Fox Sports insiders shared
shared a shared a phrase in a quote, and I
want to I want to get your kind of I
want to get.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You know, our reaction to that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So I'm gonna share that next after we come back
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Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 2 (31:02):
Alrighty back inside the locker room here, and you know, business.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
As usual, just just just just a normal.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Thursday, huh. You know, nothing to see here. You know,
it's Eagles Chiefs. You know, that's the storyline around here,
and the Big Easy or the boot however you want
to call it. But then you know, we heard from
a credible source, and that would be Jay Glazer, Fox
(31:35):
Sports kind of insider. You know, he's he's there guy
that tapped in for all the breaking news and everything else.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I know, we hear about Ian Rappaport and the like.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know, but you know, Jay Glazer dropped a bomb
on the what was it the football.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
The fantasy Fantasy football happy hour, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Happy hour, Yeah, Fantasy football happy hour with Matthew Berry.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Jake Glazer uh said this about a certain Western pa
QB and I believe we have audio West. You know
you want to roll that audio.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
I have a guy like that.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Russell Wilson obviously has had a long career and going
back to free agency, Pete Carroll, I mean this is
kind of connecting down happen That one's over right, that
one's over. Do you think it's more likely Russ goes
back to the Steelers because the ending there was also
a little weird too, So just a new start for us.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
I think you'll see a new start for Russell Sumrall.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, So who is the starting quarterback of the Steelers?
You think it's justin You think it's somebody.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
I And again, like these guys are the Senior Bowl.
I was texting with my Tom on the other day.
He's the Senior Ball, like they're thinking about so they
can compartmentalize only so much so Senior Bowl, Right, and
then all of a sudden next week they have come
on meetings, right, and so they've got to start talking
about free agency and what's out there. But I don't
think they know who they're their starting quarterbacks can be up.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Who wow wow wie wow wow wow.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean, not only are Russell Wilson bomb in there,
but maybe Justin Field's bomb as well too.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Max.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah wow, I mean talk about you know where you're
at now as a team. I mean for the Steelers
you already kind of blew up you know the quarterback
room a year ago, right, no, mister brisk you know,
Mason Rudolph, No.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And you you bring in three brand new guys, right,
you bring in Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Uh. You know you also bring in Justin Fields and
Kyle Allen. But now all.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Three of those guys are free agents, and now you're
looking at revamping the entire room again. Now mind you,
this is allegedly this is this is off of Jay
Glazer's thoughts. But you know, like you said, you know
he was texting back and forth with uh, with Mike Tomlin,
and he was just going through the process because once again,
(33:57):
this isn't final, right because you still have to go
through combine meetings. You're down at Senior Bowl. Everybody's looking
at everybody at Senior Bowl. And you know, anytime there's
a quarterback issue or a quarterback that's not on the
roster because you have to remember you have to go
through negotiations. Free agency will hit before you get to
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the draft. So this is an evaluation time, like, hey,
can You're always going to ask this question, can we
do better? That is the entire point. If you're not
in the Super Bowl at thirty, teams are saying can
we do better, you know, and even if it's a
quick conversation, you have to answer the question. Right in
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every personnel meeting and every you know, thought process of
constructing a team.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You've got to ask that question. You know.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now the only two teams that don't have to ask
that question are the two teams playing in the Super Bowl,
right right, you know, you don't have to ask the question, Hey,
who's who? You know, what's can we do better at quarterback?
I'm the Cansaite Chiefs. No, all right, move on to
the next question. You know what I'm saying, can we
do better with the Eagles with the quarterback situations and
Jalen Hursts the gut us to a second Super Bowl
in three years?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
We don't have to.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Answer that question, you know what I'm saying, Like, we
still have to say it because that's the exercise, right,
that's the exercise of doing this. And so you know,
when you kind of go from that perspective, you know,
the Steelers, we have to ask that question. But you're like, well,
can we you know, what does it look like out there?
(35:30):
Think about where we're drafted, think about what the prospects
are who played you know, well at the Senior Bowl.
Who's going to do good at the Combine? That we
don't know because there's always guys who jump up, you know,
and you know, just as a quick exercise here, Wes,
I mean, let's kind of just play through it. You know,
quarterback tiers. Okay, you know there's there's two Tier one quarterbacks. Agreed,
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that's Cam worsher Do or Sanders right, yes, those that's
where you start the conversation ship and then after that
you go into tier two. And I did this with
with one with one of my guys at p f
F Trevor, and I'm gonna mess Trevor's name up. Trevor's
a Gator, so that's what that's what is it?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Trevor Sikama.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
There we go, Trevor Sikima, There we go.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Oh yeah, he's motes and I do his show, have
him on our show, part of me at the Combine
every year.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
He's a good dude, and he is Max.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Starks Florida Gators. That's right, he is a proud Florida Gator.
So Trevor.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Trevor was nice enough to join us on on a
off campus on serious XM earlier this week, and I
pose that question to him. I said, hey, tier one,
let's talk about tier two quarterbacks. You know where team
is going to reach for a QB. And we kind
of went we kind of went through the drill. So
the tier two's where your Jackson darts R Dylan Gabriel's
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Jalen Millroe. Quinn, Yeah, I always forget about Quinn said,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
You got your you got your eyes, you got your
eyes on arch already. I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You know, I'm trying my best.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm trying my best because listen, if that doesn't work
with Texas next year, all the money that they spent.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a bad day.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And especially when you got to do with the last
name Manning on the back of his jersey representing your team.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, you better do it. You better do it.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
So would you put Kyle McCord and Will Howard in
that second tier as well too, or they maybe a
third tier?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He did.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He added little Howard because of the last month of
the season, right, because of the run, and you win
a national championship, and he did it because of their
of his arm talent, right, which was different how they
were running most of the season. So you know, so
they were like, yeah, no, you need you need to
He used his arm to beat these teams and it
(37:54):
was a new level. Teams weren't expecting it. And that's
how I kind of, you know, you know, took advantage
of the city situation and wildsome people. Right, you know,
you take on Tennessee and you blow out Tennessee, you
go Oregon, jesus. I mean that Rose Bowl game, what
was in the world. You were not expecting the game
to be over with, you know, halfway through the second quarter.
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So they were saying that Will Howard worked himself up
into that second tier and teams are going to pay
attention to that. And he has a prototypical body, right,
he has you know, he has a prototypical arm. So
you know, it was it was interesting to hear that
tier two and you know, where you're going to reach,
you know, because let's say it's not going to just
be two quarterbacks in the first round. There's be two
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in the top ten easily, but where are teams going
to reach? And so he went through the guys who
teams will probably reached for. You know, they said, Jackson Dart,
there's some things but there's also some questions about Jackson
Dart because during the Senior Bowl, you know, he's been
a shotgun quarterback, and so the Senior Bowl they like
to do things different. They want to put you in
(39:00):
uncomfortable situation. And so they said, you know, they figured
that he had been working some under center to get
ready for the Senior Bowl, and they said, you know what,
go from pistol, which throws them off right because you're
not completely under center, and you're not all the way
in a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
You're in that halfway no man's land.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And he said, he fumbled the first snap, so and
then when he went under center a little bit later,
he got he got tripped up by the guard that
was pulling on a counterplay because he was laid on
pulling his hands out after receiving.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
The ball because he wasn't used to it.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
So they just did some different things and he kind
of fumbled his way through the beginning of that. So
it's like, you know, that leads a little lesson to
be desired because in let he say, he said, I
want to say it was like he said, nine hundred
and forty three snaps over his two years, only nine
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of them were under center, and most of those were
victory formations, you know, at the end of game.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
So that kind of pushed me in a little bit
of a questionable spot, you know, I had I thought
I had a high thought about you know, watching Jackson
dirt butt. You're right, I mean, if you can't go
from under center, you know, a lot of the NFL
is under center. So you know that kind of that
kind of left me like, hmm, that doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, that's a very good that I hadn't considered with him,
and you know that kind of that Lane Kiffen offense
there at Old Miss.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, so I was like, oh, wow, okay, well you
know what we're here now. So I was like, that
is something to consider and something I you know, you
kind of watch the game, you kind of watch the
flow of it. You don't think about under center versus
shotgun used to look at the production, right, And so yeah,
that's gonna be a big point because not a lot
of guys can can make that transition now because you're
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so used to one way. You know, I think about
Kyler Murray, Like Kyler Murray, they're they're they're getting him under.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Center a little bit more. But I mean, how many
years is it? What? Five? Five?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
He's well into his second contract now, yeah, so now
I look at it. Sorry, no, that's okay, Yeah, sorry
I was. I should have covered there for you for
a couple extra seconds.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
My fault.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, but no, but I think that is an intriguing
point that now so he so he had Will Howard
higher up there.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
He hesitated on.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Kyle McCord just because you know, it's the highs and
the lows that you get with him, right, yes, I
mean you could get some amazing games from him and
then you get some duds.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
So highs enough.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, his high his highlight, his highlight tape is as
good as anybody's in this draft. But his low light
tape is as bad as anybody's, particularly when he came
when he came here and played Pitt Max. I think
he threw like three pick sixes in that game alone,
Like it was four or five interceptions, two or three
pick sixes. Like you watch him play that game and
(42:02):
you're like, this guy shouldn't be playing Division one football.
But then you go and you watch, you know, when
they knocked off Miami, for example, and he looks like
maybe the best quarterback in college football.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
It's it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, yeah, so it's so So that was one of
the issues that we had, right, was that how where
where do you put him? How do you stack it up?
And so I'm just I'm one of those guys. It's
like I try and look at it, you know, as
objective as possible, but I'm like, in my head, I'm like,
there is going to be great value in like day
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two and three for these guys you know here too,
no doubt, but with how many quarterbacks are needed for
the vacancies and they're not being a lot of guys
in free agency available. This is this is kind of
the world you live in, right, because I mean here,
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here's your potential free agents, just going off the top
of my hair and not having a list in front
of me. Obviously, Russ and Justin are are free agents,
right unless something else happens. Then you have Sam Darnold,
who potentially will be a free agent just because you
have JJ McCarthy there.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
You want to see what he can do.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know what Sam has done, He's earned himself kind
of top billing in this free agency run.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
You know, you wonder.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And then after that, I mean, where are we at
Aaron Rodgers, yes, will be a free agent.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yes, Jameis Winston, I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, Jamos. And then there's a lot of that was.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Like, there's a lot of candidates, right. I think Kirk
Cousins could end up being a free agent. I think
Gino Smith could end up being a free agent. But
they're not right now.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's right now, Derrek Derek Carr could be no doubt,
that's another great one.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
But yeah, right now, it's like Donald, it's the two
guys we saw here in Pittsburgh, I mean, Jamis Winston.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
There's there's not you know, a a massive you know
name of.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
As some quarterback who's thirty years old and still has
you know, plenty of tread on his tires and has
accomplished a bunch. At this point, it's a lot of
different question marks around the quarterbacks that are available.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So so now if you can't get a free agency,
where do you do you turn to the draft?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
You're I mean, somebody is going to talk themselves into
a mill Row or a Dart or a Howard or
an Ewer's being you know, worthy of a top twenty,
top thirty selection. By the time we get to April,
there's no doubt it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, and the chatter's going to pick up because you're
realizing that man, free agency ain't what we thought it was.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And you know, April's like the draft.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Now hope springs eternal with the future that maybe I
can change this guy, Maybe I can break him out
of his bad habits.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Baby, I can.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Build a system around him, you know, to have some success.
That's where we're at because yeah, there's no real big
names unless you kind of unless somebody gets cut or
a trade gets worked out. But we got to see
movement because you wonder even if hey, it's Kyler Murray,
all you know available you know via trade based off
(45:23):
of you know where he's at and what he's accomplished.
And then you start looking at all the backups. You know,
is a Carson wentzur viable off you know, you haven't
seen him and he's here in the Super Bowl, right,
so you kind of you kind of put yourself in
a very quarterback you know, starved outside of starters situation,
(45:47):
especially what you're thinking about, you know what the Titan
situation is, right, you know, they're they're drafting number one overall.
You can tell they're not happy with will Levice, But
you have so many other holes you need to fill.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
If you're Brian Callahan that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Do you trade back and try and get more resources
out of the number one or do you know, do
you take what like an abdual Carter I think will
probably be at the top of their list if you're
Tennessee and you know, make that type of decision, But
you know you don't. You don't have consistency at quarter
That's the reason why you're drafted number one overall. Quarterback
(46:26):
played terrible. I'm stunk exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
But there's not there's not the guy coming out this
year that is the There's not the Caleb Williams or
even Jaden Daniels, you know what I mean, Like, there's
not the guy that, oh, yeah, take this quarterback first
overall and have the chance to change your franchise.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Could could be, but not as kind of.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Just thought of that with this with these top two guys,
as maybe some of the years of past. So it
is an interesting place for Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, in Tennessee, and of course the Giants, we know
what the Giants did Jesus Christ. Uh, you know, they
they paid Daniel Jones all that money and then they
cut him. They cut him out right, you know what
I'm saying. So they so they've got a decision to make.
We had Jalen Hyatt on one of the shows I
was interviewing, and just you know, he he you know, he's.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
The current player.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
He can't really bag on anybody, but he he was
hurt when when DJ was traded and so I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I was like, you know, and we saw, we saw him.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
He didn't and here's a he didn't look bad when
we played against him.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
The offensive line and that.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
You know, and other pieces didn't look good. But you know,
and he he made, you know, a minor mistake here
and there, and that's what he said. He said the
problem with Daniel was that he made the momentary lapse
in judgment. You know, everybody's he can have it, but
he made it at more critical times than other people.
(47:53):
And that's eventually what led to him, you know, being
relieved of duty in New York. And I thought, you know,
that was very salient for a second year guy. Right
wide receiver, right, his success is dependent upon who can
throw him in the football and he didn't really get
the football thrown his way. And this dude's a Bolitica
Cough winner, you know, and very highly touted, you know,
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receiver that's on a team with another Bolitna Cough Award winner,
highly touted receiver and elite neighbors. And you know, Wandell
Robinson had a great year. So he's sitting there, he's like,
we got all these what we just need a quarterback.
So hearing that, it's like, okay, well that's another team
and then that's going to.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Take a quarterback, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
And so you look at that, You're like, you can
argue the Raiders who are right up there in that
top five, Yep, they all need they'll need a quarterback
because you had Aiden O'Connell and Gardner Minshew and those
guys will be I'm sure up there in the in
the good old you know, free agency round up as well,
you know, potentially now Aiden's still under contract, but you know,
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if you if you don't like the situation that you
have with him, if you're Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly,
do you move on there? I mean I think they
you know, they were the guys we were talking about,
you know, before the end of the season is needing
a quarterback. So you know, you have some intriguing ones.
And right now I just named what there's four teams
any quarterbacks, So we're well into Tier two now, yeah, potentially,
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And that's not even talking about teams that are further back,
you know, because like I said, the Steelers, we're gonna
we're looking we're evaluating that position as well, but we're
on the back half of the first round of the draft,
so we're not gonna be a position We'll have to
look really hard at the middle of that Tier two
and decide if that's who we really like or not.
So you know, we just went through that and it
was about five different options right there, and we said
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we only had two and tier one and everybody else
is tier two. You know, there's a lot of decisions
to be made. So Combine will be red hot, just
like Senior Bowl was red hot just last week. And
so we're going to figure this out. But what we
are going to do, we are going to step aside. Here,
take a break, reload for hour number two. We'll be
(50:01):
back with more here inside the locker room. We come
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
All right, we are inside the locker room here.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Welcome, welcome one in all.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Our good buddy, and of course you know our brother
Craig still out, still on the mend, but we shall
keep proceeding. Please make sure you keep them in your
thoughts and prayers, you know, for.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Speed, for our full recovery.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
We don't say speedy recovery around here, A full recovery.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So you know, I, you know, I hope we can
get Wolf's back soon, you know, just so we can
close things out properly. But health is more important than
anything else.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Health is wealth. So I want him to get want
him to get healthy.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It is a it is a Thursday, and on Thursdays
it just means it's.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Just two more days closer to Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So all right, I we are we are quite literally
waiting all day for Sunday.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Night at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean there's not much. Nobody's done
anything stupid yet.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Although Max, did you see that one of your former
teammates and a former opponent we're close to throwing fists
on Radio Row yesterday?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And yeah, yeah I was. I mean, but here's the
funny thing. So I'm sitting there.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And because I thow because when I went into Radio Row,
I saw I saw Joey Porter, and I saw Peas
and I'm like, oh, I'll catch up with Peas a
little bit. And then I saw Jerome. When I got
to the set, I got the.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Jerome was doing. I was doing an interview for.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Fantasy Football Radio, one of those, so I saw him.
And then I saw Miles Garrett come into Radio Row
and and he went and did a He went and
did an interview with People magazine. Okay, And I'm like, Okay,
(03:11):
this is weird because he walked into her.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Because People has like a setup to do. There's stuff kind.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Of in in the SXM area film, but yet it's radioed.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Most radio is filmed, now, you know what I mean, Like,
what are we doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Everybody has a clip, right, I mean, I guess that's
what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's like kind of how streaming south streaming services have
almost turned into cable. It's like, wait a second, we're
just going back to We're going back to the future here.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Exactly pretty much.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So I was like, all right, okay, and then I
hear this rackus sound because the iHeart slash you know, yo,
that Nightcap show.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I think as well, yes, yes, that is.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
The uh it's the Ocho Cinco and Shannon Sharp show
called Nightcap.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And I heard I heard, like, you know, I could
hear Deebo's voice. Yeah, and I heard the it was
like laughing, right, because Debo wasn't serious correct at the beginning, right,
and and Ocho took it personal. And then you know
what ensued was Ojo getting sensitive and he was because
(04:41):
he was talking about he you don't listen, don't don't
threaten about we need to get in the ring, you know,
and and duke it out.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I would pick another target, yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Pick a different target than Debo.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And he's like, ah, my wind is too good, I'm
too athletic. I'm like, man, okay, all right, I bet
whatever you understand.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You understand, David and Goliath is such a famous story
because because David never beats Goliath, right, Like, that's a
that's a one off thing there, oh Joe.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, exactly. And also that was in the Bible. Your
your fight is not getting written in the Bible. But yeah,
because guess how many David types probably went against Goliath
in the past before we got to David.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You only hear about the triumphs, but you don't see
all the all the defeats.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's a reason why Goliath was Goliath. He had legis
started somewhere. You'd hear Zachariah and Goliath. No, Zachariah is
in the ground with a headstone somewhere.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
He's gonna be a heck of a to get a
name like that as well too.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean, come on, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So you know, for O show to kind of catch
those type of feelings, I was like, man, a little
inappropriate and you got two steeler dudes there, I'm like,
why are you talking so much?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Mass Now?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Pas was the most subdue that which is crazy for
me to say, crazy that the most abdude person.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
On the stage was pasy Joey Porter.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Joey Porter is a calm one in the situation.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean, you really got something going on, There's no
doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And he was.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
He was, by far, I think, the most level headed person,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, like, man, I'm just walking by man now, I
was I'm about to get slapped.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He was like, I was just trying to chop it
up on a podcast for a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I'm not trying to get in the middle of a
rumble here.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Almost like, hey, y'all asked me to come on here.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You bring bring guests on here and just throw them
right into a pay per view? Is this how you
guys are roll?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's man, I'm like, it's it's just it was so
so yeah, so so yes. I did hear about the
spat and kind of just what the guys.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
We're talking about. And I mean it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Too far from from where I was at, so it
was just like, oh my god. So you know, I
mean that I feel like that's kind of, you know,
par for the course. I mean, you put a put
a Bengal and a Steeler together, could happen, could happen
very easily.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yeah, no, there's no denying that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And it did, like it was kind of because you're right,
just the tone of it was bizarre because at first
you're like, uh, you know, it's just two old rivals.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
These guys used to go at it all the time.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
They've probably got somewhat of a relationship now, right, I
mean kind of like maybe maybe like you and the
Helodi Knada story that you shared, right, not that they're
besties or anything like that, but they've maybe kind of
made nice a little bit from their playing days. And
then all of a sudden, one of them is is
is clearly not having the same energy as the other
one has has taken things personally, one is kind of
(08:22):
escalating the situation, and you're like, oh, this is not
just some you know, some playful friendly banter between two
guys who used to compete his division rivals, Like, oh no,
this is escalating a little bit here.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I mean because I mean because I feel like
James was already kind of in a lighter mood, like
he wasn't trying to get serious, yes, right at the beginning,
and Ojo kind of escalates the situation and then you know,
(08:56):
you start seeing a little like engines on the baseboard
right where you know there there there, there's.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
A little bit of chipping away at it. Oho, you know, smile.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
He starts to become a little bit more pointed, you know,
and then choo choo chew, you know, and then Debo
recognizes it. So Deebo didn't get goes into petty mode,
you know, and then he asked him about how many
rings he got this, that and the other, and then
next thing you know, it's it's just full on devolved,
(09:32):
you know, bickerig back and.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Forth, steels, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
He was like, oh my god, I'm like, this is
like pre pregay Steelers Bengals. After after the the new
rule had been implemented that you couldn't go to the
forty nine and a half yard line because the last
time we did that, we had we had we had
we had we had the Brown Steelers brawl. And yet
(09:58):
that one.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And that that was the day the Debo really started
to make his mark in the in the NFL as well, too.
Kind of funny full circle there in the conversation. But yeah, two, Max,
I also want like I'm I am as you know
with some of these things, there's always the cynical side
in me that is, like, what was was Ocho just
doing all of that to get everyone to do what
(10:20):
they're doing today? Talk about that situation which gets them
to bring up the podcast, which drives listeners and downloads
and clicks and impressions to his podcast. Like, there's the
cynical side of me that thinks Ocho is just doing
it all, like, you know, for the publicity of it,
if you will do he does he really think you
get in a ring with Deebo, you get what I'm saying, like,
(10:42):
or does he just want people to listen to this podcast?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I feel like you know he does.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
He does a certain amount of things for attention, right, Yes,
they'll say whatever, but then he will actually do some
of the stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So in lies the irony. I have to believe that
he could he I mean, he could. I could see
him realistically wanting to believe that he could do so
against Debo. I believe that, sure, sure, But I also
know that you want your subscribers up so you can
(11:24):
make more monetary games, So maybe you do just randomly
pick a balanced fight to customize the suit that you want,
I don't know, from the money that you make from
doing the podcast, and then you know that you've already
spent in your mind, you know what I'm saying, Like
I could, I can see it both ways sadly with Ocho, right,
you know, normally it's a clear one. But I truly
(11:47):
believe that dude, he did do things he can he
can he can knock out debo. Well, because that's the
way he was talking about remember like some of the points, right, yeah,
he's like, you know what I got to speak why
I'm tired of people always just because you're smaller, you
don't mean you automatically lose blah blah blah. And you
(12:08):
know that kind of clip got a lot of likes. Yeah,
I want to say, like ten thousand likes like really quickly.
I'm sure, so you know that, I mean there was
there was like some gloves and stuff, so I mean
I would say, I mean there was. I also, you know,
we just need to find a sponsor and actually just
(12:28):
do it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Let's see if he actually gets to the ring. How
about that?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that's the thing too, I mean, you know if
they did it, would do numbers because that like now everybody.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's become. The thing is these like I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Say celebrity boxing matches because they're both athletes and highly
accomplished athletes, but you also get what I'm saying, like
they're not highly accomplished boxers, and that that would be
another one of those like I.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Would much rather watch.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I would much rather watch Debo and Oho duke it
out than like one of the Paul brothers. To say,
you know, so there would be that intriguing element as
well too.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
You need to say you wouldn't want to see Logan
Paul getting the ring with Ojo Sinker.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
No, I'm good on that.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I'm good on watching the Paul Brothers box random people
for the rest of time, or even someone like Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
But Debo versus Ocho, there would.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Be obviously a ton of storylines, there would be a
ton of attention, there would be a ton of intrigue.
But yeah, I mean, I guess that's the next the
next point, right, can you find a sponsor? Could you
find somebody to stream it or broadcast it? And then
going from there, But man, Ojo, I don't know, buddy,
I don't know if you want this smoke.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, but I mean, but that's what Chad does, man,
I mean said that. Chad's been that way for the
longest time. Yep, you know so, I mean you know
there's no surprise there that you get on get on
a show with him.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And we're all in the same era.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, he's gonna feel some type way super Bowl week,
we took away one of their super Bowl chances.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Mm hm. You know he still feels like we purposely
took out Carson Ponent. We did not.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Watch the film.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I was like, Hemo gets pushed from behind into Carson,
So don't act like that. But yeah, it's one of
those things that you you just look at it just
you know, like some things will never change. I mean,
this is that also goes to show you that we
came from an era where we're not all just trying
to be friends.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
That is.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yes, that part is refreshing. I I I uh, that
part is refreshing.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I'm not gonna lie, like do I do miss that
that Like true old school vitriol, it still pops out
sometimes but isn't nearly as relevant as it used to be.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
In your Guys day.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I don't like you because I don't like you
because you play for the opponent, because you know your
your shoes are yellow today, I don't like you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So, you know, we just had and it wasn't anything. Later.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Max Motes told me one time he used to think, like,
there's seven billion people in this world. I'm not gonna
get along with everybody. I'm not supposed to get along
with you.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh my gosh. See there we go.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
See sometimes it's like, hey, listen, listen, I don't like you,
and don't think I'll ever like you and be okay
with that.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Like you go this way, I'll go that way. It's
just fine, you know, it just is what it is.
We don't have to like each other.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, and we don't ever have to look back and
wonder what if just keep walking, dude, if we if
we ended up on a circle who run into each
other again, maybe we could revisit it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
But no, I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I got enough friends, so you know, and that's kind
of just that mentality that we.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Had back in those early two thousands. You know, I
was talking with Actually, you know what, We're.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Gonna go to break and then I'll come back to
the other shide Boom teased it all right, We'll be
back with more here inside the Locker Room on Steel's
Audio network.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
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Wilfley and Max.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Stark's alrighty back.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
In the action, which is the locker room. You know,
I was kind of talking about alluding to who I
was having a conversation with before we went to break.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, I've been waiting. I've been waiting with baited breath
on this.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
So I got a chance to talk to Bernie Kozar.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Ooh, Cleveland's finest.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's right, I mean, probably one of the best.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I guess he'd probably be one of the best quarterbacks
to ever played for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think, is that easy to say? West No doubt.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I mean, I think he's got to be at the
top of the list, right, especially in terms of like
what he what he did in Cleveland, right, Like you
could argue some of these guys like a like a
Joe Flacco his career being better, but he didn't do
that in Cleveland. So yeah, in terms of like what
they did in a Browns jersey, I think it's got
to be Bernie Kosar.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I think that's the best way, what he did in
a Browns jersey and consistently did in the Browns jersey,
which is also another thing that's tough to say for
the q BE position in that.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Part of Ohio, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Eastern Ohio.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Most famous Eastern Ohio professional football player team participant quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah I mean still quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah, still Jim Brown overall for sure, but quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And like you know this, I lived in Youngstown, Ohio,
you know, kind of that northeast area, only like an
hour outside of Cleveland for two years when I was working.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
For the hockey team.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
They love Bernie Kosar like he he would be the
He was like the celebrity guest at our hockey team's
golf outing every year and people love them like like
so he is. He's a very beloved figure there amongst
Browns fans, without a doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, so so yeah, so I'm sitting there and I
have an opportunity to talk.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And by the way, pretty Cozar, pretty freaking tall.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Man, pretty tall Max, no doubt. And I don't know
if he still does. But when I was working for
the hockey team and he would come to our golf
outing every year, he could put him down back in
the day too, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, so he has he has slowed down
on putting it down.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Happens to us all. You know, darn shame what they
did to that dog.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But you know, I think, you know, because he was
you know, he kind of was sharing with me like
kind of some of this story.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And you know, he was talking about, uh, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Type two diabetes diagnosis, and you know, just about some
of the like dimension things from the hits and all
that kind of stuff, and was just talking to me
about some regenerative stuff that he's been doing. He's like
the beautiful thing about being down in Miami, because I was.
He went to University of Miami. For those that didn't know, Yes,
he played undergrad at University.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Of Miami, so had a lot of success there, a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Success there, and so you know, he was kind of
talking to me just about some of the things that
he's found that's helped him, you know, some of the
things that you know, lower glucose and things that have helped
with you know, trying to repair the mind and getting
him to a point where he could be, you know,
(20:17):
here right now, because he's like, man, yeah, he's like
being able to sit there and have these conversations. He's like,
you know, it's it's something that's valuable and you know,
and I can keep my thoughts together. He's like, you know,
cause there was there was a time a couple of
years ago before I started doing all his research, and
he said, you know, jumping on like pilot programs at
(20:38):
the neuro department at University of Miami at UM being
close to it, and he's like, the one thing I
found has been you know, doing raw coffee powder and
pee protein like as a combo.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So yeah, I was like, oh, he's like, yeah, we're
just starting.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I'm like, dude, let me know. As soon as y'all
start making it, just just let me know.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, I want to do whatever it is correct.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Uh He's so here's what he said. He said.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He said, Uh, he has type three diabetes. Which is Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Okay, so yeah, so that's what he has.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, not quite Parkinson's, but yeah, but he's the Alzheimer's
and the dementia combo that he's he's trying he's currently
trying to fight.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
So that's that's kind of similar to the same thing
Jim McMahon is dealing with.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Correct correct similar things and and so, I mean, so
it was, it was. It was a fascinating conversation. But
he wasn't down. It wasn't like he was telling it
as a downer type of conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, now he was. He
was showing that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know, he's like he he wants to fight and
he and he wants to you know, let everybody else
know that he is fighting and that he's not saying it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He's like, I don't want to pity. I don't want
I don't I don't want, you.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Know, people to say, oh man, you know, feel bad?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Whato was you?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
He's like, absolutely not. He's like, in fact, it's the opposite.
I want people to understand it. But also see that hey,
I'm kicking these things butt and I'm a fit and
you know, people you know, the research dollars count, and
you know, I'm one of those guys has benefited from
those richards, and more and more guys like me, you know,
(22:35):
especially in the NFL side, you know, could benefit from
these type of things.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
So please keep you know, you know, supporting. Don't think that.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's it's something that doesn't count, that that you're just
giving it away for a tax. Right off, He's like,
you're actually helping and changing people's lives. And so that's
why it's kind of what he was delivering his messaging,
you know. And you know, he was talking about the
quarterback situation, but I I thought that was really the
big thing, was him talking about just the willingness to
(23:06):
fight and the fact that he's here to show people
that it works. I mean, which I'm like that that's
pretty awesome. That's pretty awesome, you know, because i mean,
you know, people could fade into the background.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
People can do you.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Know, nothing and suffer in silence or think that they're
in a silo by themselves and nobody will understand. And
Bernie was like, Nope, I'm gonna sure whoever wants to
hear it. I'm proud about it. And so and he
was just you know, he was just delighted to talk
to me, and you know, and we just had a
(23:40):
really really good just conversation just over about to said,
I mean we talked. I would say we talked for
abrouatly about twenty five minutes. It was a very very
good conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And then of.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Course, you know, I was like, hey, you know, might
might might have played with one of the you know,
I might work with one of the guys you played
with in Cleveland. And it was like, you know, it
was I was like, yeah, Ron Wolfley. He's like what Ron,
Oh my god. Ro's my god. And he really opened
up with that, he said, and then he was like,
(24:11):
and you know, you ever come across Craig. I'm like, yeah,
I come across. He's my color analyst. And on the
side he's like, and we did it.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
We do it showed you, Oh my god, yeah Craig did.
So it was it was like it was really cool.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know, I'm like had had had had to had
to throw around my Wolfly connection card.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I feel like, you know, I need like some type
of like business card that says like between.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Two wolves, you know, two Wolves and.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Uh between two Wolves the Max Stark story.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yes, exactly exactly. You know, I feel like that would
be a really good title.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
If if I was, if I was ever has to
make up my own content, show that is good.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Next time, it'll be two years till we're scheduled to
travel out to Arizona for the Steelers to play out
there again.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
We'll have to do something for the pregame show a segment.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Uh, you know between two between two Wolves with Max
Stark's or something like that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yes, yes, I mean we we we did have it
on air when we had that lightning.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
We did, Yes, yes, which.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Right, I was gonna guess if they're of all the
times for us to get a lightning delay, you never
want to get a lightning delay.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But at least it was then when we had Ron
Wolfley in.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
The booth right next to us, and we're able to
uh to create some some some fun memories in that regard.
But no, Matt, I'm glad you share all that, and
and and your conversation with Bernie and and what he's
actively hunting down and working towards and researching, and how
you want to you know, be involved, be a participant,
(25:58):
in those type of things. Like I think that stuff
means a lot to the general public. When you see athletes,
when you see like big, successful, hulking humans who are
open about their health struggles, I think that does a
lot for the general population, Like I really do, because
(26:21):
I think for so long, with so many of these things,
these different things in life, we had stigmas around these
of like you bury it deep down insides, you don't
talk about it, you fight your battles yourself, you suffer
in silence, that type of thing. And I don't know
if in the last decade or so, we've done a
lot of good things as a society, but that, to me,
(26:42):
I think is one of them. Really In my kind
of adult life, I've seen a lot of mental health issues,
a lot of different health issues, a lot of different
things that we used to never talk about before that
people are now very open to sharing their struggles, sharing
their triumphs, so all these different things, And I do
think that means a lot to the general public because
when you see, you know, these big six foot five,
(27:05):
hulking human beings that are being open and real and
emotional about their day to day grind and struggle, I
think a lot of people relate to that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, I mean, and I think I think it is important,
right because I think some people kind of you know,
not to say everybody does, but some people kind of
put athletes in this superhuman category. Yes, you know that
we're kind of immune to life, you know, to a
certain degree. Now, I mean, I believe there's a lot
of you know, more mature fans that would understand, yeah,
(27:38):
now you're.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Human just like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But some people still kind of hold that regard, right,
because those athletes you hold and you know, in high regard,
and you know, you don't want to believe that they
fall ill of those things because you know, quote unquote,
you have access to the best stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
We don't. We don't have it. You know, you have
to find it, you have to work towards it.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And when you have guys who are struggling, who are
going through you know something, it's like, well, well, how
could he he has all this? You know, you think
of the success, like you said, for Bernie Bernie Cozar,
I mean, you know, to be you know, one of
the all time great quarterbacks of Cleveland in their franchise's history.
(28:17):
You know, you don't think about him being that type
of guy, right, because you know, you probably say, you
know in the you know, in the Browns Annals of history,
like you said at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I mean, Jim Brown's still.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
One of those guys you know, you know, you have
you have Kellen Winslow, and you have you know now
of course Joe Thomas, I mean, and of course now
one of the guys that's looking to have a new
start in Miles Garrett. Yeah right, I mean, he will
go down as one of the all time great Cleveland Browns.
I mean, he amassed one hundred and two and a
(28:51):
half sacks in his time in Cleveland, I say in
his time because he's requested a trade if anybody hasn't heard,
and he's looking.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
To move on elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
But he will still go down as you know, an
all time great in Round's history.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Especially especially in the twenty first century as well too, right,
like their modern history.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, so so yeah, so, I mean it's
gonna it was really intriguing because I think you have
to share those things because sometimes people forget, and you know,
you want to make sure you share it with as
many people as long as you can, right, And you know,
if you can change somebody else's life, I think that's
the kind of thing, right, If you can change somebody
(29:37):
else's life or the better by sharing your story and
you get somebody to open up that might not have
wanted to open up, then that's what you do, right,
That's what you have to have, the fight.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
For the human experience.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Man, No, it is. It is. Well, Hey, we're gonna
step aside. We'll be back with more.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
We've got an intriguing little tidbit that we got to
share with you guys. Some certain Fox Sports insiders shared
shared a shared a phrase in a quote, and I
want to I want to get your kind of I
want to get.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You know, our reaction to that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So I'm gonna share that next after we come back
from these commercial breaks. You're inside the locker room. Wolf
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Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 2 (31:02):
Alrighty back inside the locker room here, and you know, business.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
As usual, just just just just a normal.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Thursday, huh. You know, nothing to see here. You know,
it's Eagles Chiefs. You know, that's the storyline around here,
and the Big Easy or the boot however you want
to call it. But then you know, we heard from
a credible source, and that would be Jay Glazer, Fox
(31:35):
Sports kind of insider. You know, he's he's there guy
that tapped in for all the breaking news and everything else.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I know, we hear about Ian Rappaport and the like.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know, but you know, Jay Glazer dropped a bomb
on the what was it the football.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
The fantasy Fantasy football happy hour, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Happy hour, Yeah, Fantasy football happy hour with Matthew Berry.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Jake Glazer uh said this about a certain Western pa
QB and I believe we have audio West. You know
you want to roll that audio.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
I have a guy like that.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Russell Wilson obviously has had a long career and going
back to free agency, Pete Carroll, I mean this is
kind of connecting down happen That one's over right, that
one's over. Do you think it's more likely Russ goes
back to the Steelers because the ending there was also
a little weird too, So just a new start for us.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
I think you'll see a new start for Russell Sumrall.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, So who is the starting quarterback of the Steelers?
You think it's justin You think it's somebody.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
I And again, like these guys are the Senior Bowl.
I was texting with my Tom on the other day.
He's the Senior Ball, like they're thinking about so they
can compartmentalize only so much so Senior Bowl, Right, and
then all of a sudden next week they have come
on meetings, right, and so they've got to start talking
about free agency and what's out there. But I don't
think they know who they're their starting quarterbacks can be up.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Who wow wow wie wow wow wow.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean, not only are Russell Wilson bomb in there,
but maybe Justin Field's bomb as well too.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Max.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah wow, I mean talk about you know where you're
at now as a team. I mean for the Steelers
you already kind of blew up you know the quarterback
room a year ago, right, no, mister brisk you know,
Mason Rudolph, No.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And you you bring in three brand new guys, right,
you bring in Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Uh. You know you also bring in Justin Fields and
Kyle Allen. But now all.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Three of those guys are free agents, and now you're
looking at revamping the entire room again. Now mind you,
this is allegedly this is this is off of Jay
Glazer's thoughts. But you know, like you said, you know
he was texting back and forth with uh, with Mike Tomlin,
and he was just going through the process because once again,
(33:57):
this isn't final, right because you still have to go
through combine meetings. You're down at Senior Bowl. Everybody's looking
at everybody at Senior Bowl. And you know, anytime there's
a quarterback issue or a quarterback that's not on the
roster because you have to remember you have to go
through negotiations. Free agency will hit before you get to
(34:18):
the draft. So this is an evaluation time, like, hey,
can You're always going to ask this question, can we
do better? That is the entire point. If you're not
in the Super Bowl at thirty, teams are saying can
we do better, you know, and even if it's a
quick conversation, you have to answer the question. Right in
(34:40):
every personnel meeting and every you know, thought process of
constructing a team.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
You've got to ask that question. You know.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now the only two teams that don't have to ask
that question are the two teams playing in the Super Bowl,
right right, you know, you don't have to ask the question, Hey,
who's who? You know, what's can we do better at quarterback?
I'm the Cansaite Chiefs. No, all right, move on to
the next question. You know what I'm saying, can we
do better with the Eagles with the quarterback situations and
Jalen Hursts the gut us to a second Super Bowl
in three years?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
We don't have to.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Answer that question, you know what I'm saying, Like, we
still have to say it because that's the exercise, right,
that's the exercise of doing this. And so you know,
when you kind of go from that perspective, you know,
the Steelers, we have to ask that question. But you're like, well,
can we you know, what does it look like out there?
(35:30):
Think about where we're drafted, think about what the prospects
are who played you know, well at the Senior Bowl.
Who's going to do good at the Combine? That we
don't know because there's always guys who jump up, you know,
and you know, just as a quick exercise here, Wes,
I mean, let's kind of just play through it. You know,
quarterback tiers. Okay, you know there's there's two Tier one quarterbacks. Agreed,
(35:54):
that's Cam worsher Do or Sanders right, yes, those that's
where you start the conversation ship and then after that
you go into tier two. And I did this with
with one with one of my guys at p f
F Trevor, and I'm gonna mess Trevor's name up. Trevor's
a Gator, so that's what that's what is it?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Trevor Sikama.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
There we go, Trevor Sikima, There we go.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Oh yeah, he's motes and I do his show, have
him on our show, part of me at the Combine
every year.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
He's a good dude, and he is Max.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Starks Florida Gators. That's right, he is a proud Florida Gator.
So Trevor.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Trevor was nice enough to join us on on a
off campus on serious XM earlier this week, and I
pose that question to him. I said, hey, tier one,
let's talk about tier two quarterbacks. You know where team
is going to reach for a QB. And we kind
of went we kind of went through the drill. So
the tier two's where your Jackson darts R Dylan Gabriel's
(36:52):
Jalen Millroe. Quinn, Yeah, I always forget about Quinn said,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
You got your you got your eyes, you got your
eyes on arch already. I get it.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
You know, I'm trying my best.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm trying my best because listen, if that doesn't work
with Texas next year, all the money that they spent.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a bad day.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And especially when you got to do with the last
name Manning on the back of his jersey representing your team.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, you better do it. You better do it.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
So would you put Kyle McCord and Will Howard in
that second tier as well too, or they maybe a
third tier?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He did.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He added little Howard because of the last month of
the season, right, because of the run, and you win
a national championship, and he did it because of their
of his arm talent, right, which was different how they
were running most of the season. So you know, so
they were like, yeah, no, you need you need to
He used his arm to beat these teams and it
(37:54):
was a new level. Teams weren't expecting it. And that's
how I kind of, you know, you know, took advantage
of the city situation and wildsome people. Right, you know,
you take on Tennessee and you blow out Tennessee, you
go Oregon, jesus. I mean that Rose Bowl game, what
was in the world. You were not expecting the game
to be over with, you know, halfway through the second quarter.
(38:17):
So they were saying that Will Howard worked himself up
into that second tier and teams are going to pay
attention to that. And he has a prototypical body, right,
he has you know, he has a prototypical arm. So
you know, it was it was interesting to hear that
tier two and you know, where you're going to reach,
you know, because let's say it's not going to just
be two quarterbacks in the first round. There's be two
(38:40):
in the top ten easily, but where are teams going
to reach? And so he went through the guys who
teams will probably reached for. You know, they said, Jackson Dart,
there's some things but there's also some questions about Jackson
Dart because during the Senior Bowl, you know, he's been
a shotgun quarterback, and so the Senior Bowl they like
to do things different. They want to put you in
(39:00):
uncomfortable situation. And so they said, you know, they figured
that he had been working some under center to get
ready for the Senior Bowl, and they said, you know what,
go from pistol, which throws them off right because you're
not completely under center, and you're not all the way
in a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
You're in that halfway no man's land.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
And he said, he fumbled the first snap, so and
then when he went under center a little bit later,
he got he got tripped up by the guard that
was pulling on a counterplay because he was laid on
pulling his hands out after receiving.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
The ball because he wasn't used to it.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
So they just did some different things and he kind
of fumbled his way through the beginning of that. So
it's like, you know, that leads a little lesson to
be desired because in let he say, he said, I
want to say it was like he said, nine hundred
and forty three snaps over his two years, only nine
(39:55):
of them were under center, and most of those were
victory formations, you know, at the end of game.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
So that kind of pushed me in a little bit
of a questionable spot, you know, I had I thought
I had a high thought about you know, watching Jackson
dirt butt. You're right, I mean, if you can't go
from under center, you know, a lot of the NFL
is under center. So you know that kind of that
kind of left me like, hmm, that doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, that's a very good that I hadn't considered with him,
and you know that kind of that Lane Kiffen offense
there at Old Miss.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, so I was like, oh, wow, okay, well you
know what we're here now. So I was like, that
is something to consider and something I you know, you
kind of watch the game, you kind of watch the
flow of it. You don't think about under center versus
shotgun used to look at the production, right, And so yeah,
that's gonna be a big point because not a lot
of guys can can make that transition now because you're
(40:50):
so used to one way. You know, I think about
Kyler Murray, Like Kyler Murray, they're they're they're getting him under.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Center a little bit more. But I mean, how many
years is it? What? Five? Five?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
He's well into his second contract now, yeah, so now
I look at it. Sorry, no, that's okay, Yeah, sorry
I was. I should have covered there for you for
a couple extra seconds.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
My fault.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, but no, but I think that is an intriguing
point that now so he so he had Will Howard
higher up there.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
He hesitated on.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Kyle McCord just because you know, it's the highs and
the lows that you get with him, right, yes, I
mean you could get some amazing games from him and
then you get some duds.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
So highs enough.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, his high his highlight, his highlight tape is as
good as anybody's in this draft. But his low light
tape is as bad as anybody's, particularly when he came
when he came here and played Pitt Max. I think
he threw like three pick sixes in that game alone,
Like it was four or five interceptions, two or three
pick sixes. Like you watch him play that game and
(42:02):
you're like, this guy shouldn't be playing Division one football.
But then you go and you watch, you know, when
they knocked off Miami, for example, and he looks like
maybe the best quarterback in college football.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
It's it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Yeah, yeah, so it's so So that was one of
the issues that we had, right, was that how where
where do you put him? How do you stack it up?
And so I'm just I'm one of those guys. It's
like I try and look at it, you know, as
objective as possible, but I'm like, in my head, I'm like,
there is going to be great value in like day
(42:38):
two and three for these guys you know here too,
no doubt, but with how many quarterbacks are needed for
the vacancies and they're not being a lot of guys
in free agency available. This is this is kind of
the world you live in, right, because I mean here,
(42:58):
here's your potential free agents, just going off the top
of my hair and not having a list in front
of me. Obviously, Russ and Justin are are free agents,
right unless something else happens. Then you have Sam Darnold,
who potentially will be a free agent just because you
have JJ McCarthy there.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
You want to see what he can do.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know what Sam has done, He's earned himself kind
of top billing in this free agency run.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
You know, you wonder.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And then after that, I mean, where are we at
Aaron Rodgers, yes, will be a free agent.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yes, Jameis Winston, I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, Jamos. And then there's a lot of that was.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Like, there's a lot of candidates, right. I think Kirk
Cousins could end up being a free agent. I think
Gino Smith could end up being a free agent. But
they're not right now.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's right now, Derrek Derek Carr could be no doubt,
that's another great one.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
But yeah, right now, it's like Donald, it's the two
guys we saw here in Pittsburgh, I mean, Jamis Winston.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
There's there's not you know, a a massive you know
name of.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
As some quarterback who's thirty years old and still has
you know, plenty of tread on his tires and has
accomplished a bunch. At this point, it's a lot of
different question marks around the quarterbacks that are available.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So so now if you can't get a free agency,
where do you do you turn to the draft?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
You're I mean, somebody is going to talk themselves into
a mill Row or a Dart or a Howard or
an Ewer's being you know, worthy of a top twenty,
top thirty selection. By the time we get to April,
there's no doubt it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, and the chatter's going to pick up because you're
realizing that man, free agency ain't what we thought it was.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And you know, April's like the draft.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Now hope springs eternal with the future that maybe I
can change this guy, Maybe I can break him out
of his bad habits.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
Baby, I can.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Build a system around him, you know, to have some success.
That's where we're at because yeah, there's no real big
names unless you kind of unless somebody gets cut or
a trade gets worked out. But we got to see
movement because you wonder even if hey, it's Kyler Murray,
all you know available you know via trade based off
(45:23):
of you know where he's at and what he's accomplished.
And then you start looking at all the backups. You know,
is a Carson wentzur viable off you know, you haven't
seen him and he's here in the Super Bowl, right,
so you kind of you kind of put yourself in
a very quarterback you know, starved outside of starters situation,
(45:47):
especially what you're thinking about, you know what the Titan
situation is, right, you know, they're they're drafting number one overall.
You can tell they're not happy with will Levice, But
you have so many other holes you need to fill.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
If you're Brian Callahan that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Do you trade back and try and get more resources
out of the number one or do you know, do
you take what like an abdual Carter I think will
probably be at the top of their list if you're
Tennessee and you know, make that type of decision, But
you know you don't. You don't have consistency at quarter
That's the reason why you're drafted number one overall. Quarterback
(46:26):
played terrible. I'm stunk exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
But there's not there's not the guy coming out this
year that is the There's not the Caleb Williams or
even Jaden Daniels, you know what I mean, Like, there's
not the guy that, oh, yeah, take this quarterback first
overall and have the chance to change your franchise.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Could could be, but not as kind of.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Just thought of that with this with these top two guys,
as maybe some of the years of past. So it
is an interesting place for Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, in Tennessee, and of course the Giants, we know
what the Giants did Jesus Christ. Uh, you know, they
they paid Daniel Jones all that money and then they
cut him. They cut him out right, you know what
I'm saying. So they so they've got a decision to make.
We had Jalen Hyatt on one of the shows I
was interviewing, and just you know, he he you know, he's.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
The current player.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
He can't really bag on anybody, but he he was
hurt when when DJ was traded and so I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I was like, you know, and we saw, we saw him.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
He didn't and here's a he didn't look bad when
we played against him.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
The offensive line and that.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
You know, and other pieces didn't look good. But you know,
and he he made, you know, a minor mistake here
and there, and that's what he said. He said the
problem with Daniel was that he made the momentary lapse
in judgment. You know, everybody's he can have it, but
he made it at more critical times than other people.
(47:53):
And that's eventually what led to him, you know, being
relieved of duty in New York. And I thought, you know,
that was very salient for a second year guy. Right
wide receiver, right, his success is dependent upon who can
throw him in the football and he didn't really get
the football thrown his way. And this dude's a Bolitica
Cough winner, you know, and very highly touted, you know,
(48:14):
receiver that's on a team with another Bolitna Cough Award winner,
highly touted receiver and elite neighbors. And you know, Wandell
Robinson had a great year. So he's sitting there, he's like,
we got all these what we just need a quarterback.
So hearing that, it's like, okay, well that's another team
and then that's going to.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
Take a quarterback, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
And so you look at that, You're like, you can
argue the Raiders who are right up there in that
top five, Yep, they all need they'll need a quarterback
because you had Aiden O'Connell and Gardner Minshew and those
guys will be I'm sure up there in the in
the good old you know, free agency round up as well,
you know, potentially now Aiden's still under contract, but you know,
(48:54):
if you if you don't like the situation that you
have with him, if you're Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly,
do you move on there? I mean I think they
you know, they were the guys we were talking about,
you know, before the end of the season is needing
a quarterback. So you know, you have some intriguing ones.
And right now I just named what there's four teams
any quarterbacks, So we're well into Tier two now, yeah, potentially,
(49:18):
And that's not even talking about teams that are further back,
you know, because like I said, the Steelers, we're gonna
we're looking we're evaluating that position as well, but we're
on the back half of the first round of the draft,
so we're not gonna be a position We'll have to
look really hard at the middle of that Tier two
and decide if that's who we really like or not.
So you know, we just went through that and it
was about five different options right there, and we said
(49:41):
we only had two and tier one and everybody else
is tier two. You know, there's a lot of decisions
to be made. So Combine will be red hot, just
like Senior Bowl was red hot just last week. And
so we're going to figure this out. But what we
are going to do, we are going to step aside. Here,
take a break, reload for hour number two. We'll be
(50:01):
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