January 30, 2025 • 46 mins
The locker room goes over the Pro Bowl games and shares experiences they had in the past.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is in the Locker Room, presented by Ford and
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and by FedEx. Where now meets next? Now here's Craig
Wolfley and Max Stark's.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
All right, well, back inside the locker room here on
a Thursday, and of course it's the power hour.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well it sounded closer.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
He promission to buzz the tower.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Every day. I think I've been trying to give the
Optimus Prime just a little extra juice, a little more levels.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Each day than you.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So by the time we get to the end of
next week, we're blowing out our ear drum whenever.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Exactly, or we get ran over one of the two
why not, yeah, exactly, time off, time will deserved and
well spent.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I got there's no there's no disability optimist runs over you.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, no, no, no, technically that's the life of a
freelance contractor.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wolf There you go.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
We'll have to bring that up at our next Collectively
Bargained Broadcasters Meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, but you know, at the
end of the day, we'll get free panera.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, no, no, no, who needs neo sporing and Bandy's just
put a little Mao and some lettuce song. You'll be fine,
but no, you know, kind of but it's it's kind
of interesting Wolf. You know, we were talking about it
with the with the Pro Bowl games. Of course, you know,
you don't want to downplay it, so to speak. Yeah,
(02:03):
you don't want to, but but at the same time,
it's tough to take it seriously, right, I mean, well
it is It's.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
A festival, really, is what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
You know, it's a variety show festival with acts growing
down each day. And look, I can understand, I see
the concern about players.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Health, and.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I don't know, we never thought about it back in
the day, you know what I mean. It was just
that opportunity to show your skills as one of the
best in the league, and you certainly wanted to do that.
You know, we could stand out and be recognized even
if you are an alternate like this.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, I mean our dream and desire
was to actually do this because we knew it was
actually a game, right, that was actually football and not
game Zaza.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Right right.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I remember back in my day, Reggie White and some
of the other guys I'm remember a touch talking about
because he went twice to the Pro Bowl and he said,
these guys are all playing for the free car. You know,
the defensive player of the game got a car. And
he said, it's on these guys. They don't play any run.
He goes, they're just they're just screaming up the field
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for the pass, you know, And when they run, he says,
you know, guys just kind of you know, just leave
it for somebody.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Else, you know it.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
But that that pass rush man when it was third down,
they were coming like like firemen putting out a fire man.
They were just hostile and all over the place.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well yeah, I mean because once again, you know what
was the ultimate mediocrity stat stat is that And I
hate to say it like that, but that's that's the
old lineman. Emmy. I can't I can't get away from it.
It's like, oh, yeah, the guy had two sacks, he
had a tremendous game. How good is this dude? But
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there were seventy plays in the game. I made two
of them serious, and there's eleven guys. So technically he
did exactly what he did one thirty fifth of the
job that eleven guys should be able to do in
a game to be effective, don't Yeah, I know. And
there's like, well, well I blocked him great for sixty
(04:17):
eight plays. I'm like, what what what you know? But
and now I'm a bum, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's like the margin of era is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's the problem. Too much is put on the sacks.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
See, you know, you don't see us stuffing the guys
and knocking him on their keysters and stuff like that,
but you see the sacks kaboom.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know. It's like it's like, can he get a
sackless steat? Does he get a sack taken away? For
every time I pancake him? You know, kill like even
it out, you know, I mean I feel like that
would right, imagine that if you could just go and say, yeah,
he got a sack, but guess what, I put him
on his keyster and then and then I added some
jelly to the work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Absolutely, that's like the the plus minus, you know, fumbles, takeaways, turnovers,
you know what I mean. Yeah, he should have a
plus minus for offensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yes, exactly, that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That's right. I brought the peanut butter. He was the jelly.
You know what I'm saying, like, like.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's what it's supposed to be. Baby, That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It must be jam because jelly don't shake like that.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, come on, or
the other way around, the other way. Run.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
We need to push this.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I mean, yeah, you know theory of plus bonus for
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, it's just the Max and Wolf's stat. It's the
hidden stat behind the status. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, okay, Like, hey,
Zach f Zach Frasier, he gave up a sack, but
guess what, he pancaked them three times, so technically he's
a plus two. That's plus two against you know, Dexter Laura.
I'm just naming somebody.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
You know, Zach didn't give up a sack, Max, so
I mean, please.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So he's like plus thirty seven. Then he's like plus
thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Then you know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Saying, even better, thank you, Wesley. He didn't give up one.
That was just plus thirty six. Yeah, roocky Mulligan, but
he had so many other pancakes on top of that.
He should be like plus thirty six in the defensive
rush stat It should be rush defensive rush efficiency. Whoever,
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he plays like negative three. Yeah he got a sack,
but he's negative three and defensive rush capacity. I'm like
trying to make this up and I keep changing it
every single time. But it should be a Max and
Wolf report card recognized by the National Football League, you
know what I'm saying. Like we should have like a
little stamp. It should have like a WNS and then
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and then it should and then it should be the
NFL shield.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Also, you guys want one more grievance. And this is
coming from a non.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Hog, but on your behalf, Yes, yes, Defensive offensive linemen
are the only guys in the NFL that can't win
an individual award, right, And I don't mean like Walter
Payton Mann of the Year or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Anybody on the defense can win Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah,
it's usually pass rushers, but we've seen guys in the
secondary do it before, as we've seen defensive linemen. We've
seen linebackers, edge rushers, guys in the secondary. On offense, yeah,
it's usually quarterbacks, but you still have Offensive Player of
the Year that goes to running backs, wide receivers, tight ends.
Offensive line is the only position that you can't win
(07:20):
an individual award.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We are so overlooked.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I mean, what are we doing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, and we're the largest concentration on any team.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So we need the Max and Wolf Award. And that'll
be granted annually to the best offensive lineman in the
National Football League.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, exactly, that's Yeah, that'll just give Zach Frazier every
year for the next decade. You know, hey, hey, hey, hey,
there's other guys who could win. Troy McCormick could win
it too.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Okay, all right, well much like you know, I guess
everybody else getting their Super Bowls around the homes. You know,
Zach will lead the pack and everyone else can get one.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
All right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
See exactly, Yes, spread the wealth just like yeah, like
you said, like Pat Mahomes, you got spread the wealth
around somehow.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Pat Mahomes, You know, I don't I need to just
relax on that stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Oh go ahead, Wolf, getting off your chest, baby, that's
what we got time for.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Exactly. Well, no, you're your grievance.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yes, I hear that, and I just again, I go
back to the preference or preferential treatment that he apparently
does receive, you know. I I know that there was
some discussion after the game with Pat Mahomes and and
and Josh Allen as they you know, met briefly in
the field, and I think that Josh said something that
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upset Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
But you know, I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Okay, I get it in the slides and everything else,
but when you start taking advantage of the rules, you know,
where you purposely like linger by the out of bounds
and then up like a rock, you know, I mean
like you sink down like a like a fat guy
on a seesaw, you know, just before contact. I mean,
come on, you're stretching the rules now, and the preferable
(09:12):
preferential treatment you're getting.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So what you're saying is is that he figured out
the the football version of a flop, is what you're
telling me.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I would say, so, you know, I would say so certainly,
you mean.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He really didn't get hit as hard as he as
he pretended to be. No, say it ain't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So is it a hint of sarcasm that I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, not at all. Why would you even think that?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Exactly? I mean, that's that's what it looks like, you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Know, bending and manipulating the rules.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Sure sounds like another quarterback and team from the AFC
not too long ago as.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, except for he hasn't had rules created yet. He
hasn't reached that level or cachet level. He is that
he is that. Yeah, yeah, I'm making Patriots Tom Brady
tom Brady the tuck rule.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Wow? I mean might have had might have had insider.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Information, manipulated the pick play on offense better than anybody else,
the rub route, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Julian Edelman can talk all he wants about how Mike
Tomlin runs the same sort of defense and he gets
covered by, you know, a linebacker and he had nine catches,
But he also was with the greatest quarterback in the
history of the NFL who could set up and use
personnel and formations to place a guy in that specific
(10:48):
matchup and abuse that matchup.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know, I mean exactly, I.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Just sit there and go all right, tell the whole story, though, Julian,
you know, well, he's not going to because it has
to has to benefit him.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Wolf, I know that. You know it doesn't look as
good as you know. Once again, do not let the
truth get in the way of a good story.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Okay, yeah, how do I forget that?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah? Exactly, journalism shock jock one oh one.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
You know, I the thing about with Pat is just
you know, if this whole Taylor Swift thing wasn't occurring simultaneously,
you couldn't have a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You just sit there. Okay, that's the way it is.
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That's how they treated most of the quarterbacks, although they
didn't treat Ben that way. That's for certain, you know,
yeah no, But but the fact is, you know, you
treat my homes a little bit differently. I think it
certainly appears to me just from you know, viewing from
the outside.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But hey, I'm just a guy, just my thoughts, that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah. Ben has another nose, you know, he doesn't he
doesn't need he doesn't need both nostrils to breathe out of.
You know, if you punched in the face by Holoda Nada,
you just need one nostril, right heloadis and.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Rhino plastic shop.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's uh, it's was it?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know he Helodi's house of plastics. You know.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
One time I remember asking Casey Hampton, I go, who's
got the bigger noggin? You are a HELOADI And he goes, oh,
of course, Helodi, not me. You're looking at this bowling
ball sitting in between two mountain mountainous traps, Casey, you know,
you know, going, I don't know that nagging here is
pretty large.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Man. It's because he shaves, because he has the ball
that he shaves that you should know this Wolf, Yeah, nogging,
nagging looks larger than they appear.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
That's true. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's like a maraji, you know, like bugs. Bunny would say,
some muragi.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's a maraji. Come on, guys, you know you know
what it is. I mean, you know, hey, hey, you
know I shine, I shine.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
They keep the sheen, you know, and shining there you go.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, as I kind of look at it, wolf,
you know. And we're back to the the Pro Bowl Festival, yes, yes, yeah, yeah,
the Festival of Professional Athletes. Yes, you know, you know
what it is. You know what it really is. It's
an exposition. Yeah, yeah, you know, exposition or exhibition, however
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you want to look at it. I think of an
exposition because I feel like it's only only thing missing
is a tent. But we played in the stadium, so
is close enough to being in a circus. You know,
it's in Orlando again, Remember they tried moving it around
to the cities.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Well that's the only place you could draw some of
the families, right because of Disney.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, and that's what I said. But then they were like, no,
we want to try and make more money for NFL
player cities. And I'm like, as if the owners need
even more opportunities to make money than they already. But
you know, I look at it and I say, Orlando
is the perfectly If it's not gonna be in Hawaii,
I felt like Hawaii was the whole because that was
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like the honor you look forward to that, right, I mean,
that was truly a vacation. It was the gift inside
of the gift. Right, You not only get to compete
for money, but you get to do it in like
one of the most beautiful places you know in the world.
And you know, there's beaches, there's beautiful weather, you get coconuts, pineapples,
all the tropical fruit lights you get to leave cold weather,
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like in Pennsylvania, New York, Minnesota, you know, Wisconsin, Seattle,
Kansas City. I'm just thinking almost every every single NFL
city that is above the Mason Dixon line. But then again,
it did snow in New Orleans and Florida and Alabama,
so that could be. Yeah, that could be, you know,
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because Jacksonville was right on that line with the Pensacola
where it was at. It's crazy, I mean, you know,
and I don't understand why they just can't get a
more permanent contract. I guess they don't want Camping World Stadium,
feeling that that's the home stadium was old Citrus Bowl
now Camping World Stadium. My high school is actually literally
(15:15):
a block away from there. That's the first so I
played in that stadium, Camping World Stadium. I played my
first ever football game, which happened to be in high school.
Was when I was allowed to finally play football, and
I played my first ever game there in the Citrus Bowl.
So that place holds a very special place in my heart.
As a kid growing up, you know, about a stone
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throw away from that stadium, you know, I got my
first starting football ever at that stadium, so it holds
significance to me. I'm just you know, I was always
upset when they first brought it there. I was never
asked to go down there and speak. They brought like
ray Lewis, Jerome, Jason Taylor, all these guys that are
from you know, Jerome, well other schools, but also played
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in the state, but not in the city, right you know,
of Orlando, or from Orlando, because like ray Lewis is
from bartow which is about an hour and a half
west of Orlando. You know, Jason Taylor's from Akron, Ohio
and played for the Miami Dolphins. And of course Jerome's
from Detroit and played for the Steelers in the RAMS,
so nowhere near an association with Orlando, Florida. And they
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brought them to open you know the park down there.
They actually they refurbished Hants Park And did you did
you know that that was a park where I used
to play basket pick up basketball kid? Really?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, It's funny because Camping World Stadium was what the
old Citrus.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Bowl, right yeah, which was then the old Tangerine Bowl
before the Citters Bowl.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
There you go so back way back in ninety one
before we played Tampa Bay and I was with at
that point the Vikings. We flew in for several days
to you know, kind of get weather rise be able
to go. But we practiced in the Citrus Bowl. That's
pretty nice. Oh interesting, Yeah nice, Yeah, we got yeah,
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a little connection.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Look at that little kid. Actually we both played the
same we both at least participate in the same place.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, no doubt about it. I think that was very
interesting that. You know, that was the first well, No.
Eighty three was the first time I went. We flew early.
That was a playoff game. Though this wasn't a playoff game,
but it was close to being a playoff caliber game.
We were in the middle of, you know, trying to
went out towards the end of the season and it
just didn't happen. But anyhow, that was I would say
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that that was that The Citrus Bowl was a nice place.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Really, I mean, who plays there? We college plays.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
There, so nobody actually Orlando Orlando City Soccer plays there.
Oh no kidding, because because UCF used to play there,
but they got the stadium on campus, SOF used to
play there. And my high school used to play there
before we actually got rights to the to the to
(18:05):
the fields across the street from our high school, but
because it was owned by the city for the longest time.
And then they finally allowed you know, my high school,
Jones High School to actually you know, pay for and
buy the field and have it attached to the school
as a part of the school property. But now it
sits over there. And actually I just did a grant
(18:26):
to my old high school to have them redo like
the banners and the wind screen around the around the
you know, the fencing and everything. I just I just
paid for that a couple of years ago to kind
of enhance that area. Yeah, because people were sitting outside
the gate, like with their cars parked up and sitting
on the hood of their cars watching the football games.
Supposed to paying the five dollars entrance fee, I was like,
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come on, guys, stop being stop being so cheap. Just
pay five bucks. It goes to the school boosters, you know,
to help the kids out. So so yeah, so we
put up put they put up some some new wind
screens to block that. So I mean it's you know,
it's something personal to me, and and you know that's
why I kind of felt so, you know, kind of
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not to say I was felt slighted, but I was like,
there's a lot of guys from the Orlando central Florida
area that you could have got for that. I mean,
because you look, Wren SAPs from a Papka, which is
not far He actually donated a computer room back in
the day in the Citrus Bowl. You know, Chris Johnson's
from Orlando as well. You know, and obviously we know
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Chris Johnson, you know, one of the most recent guys
outside of you know, more recent guy in NFL history
to also run for two thousand yards in the season.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Do you remember when he Troy ran him down in
the open field? Oh yeah, Oh my goodness. That was
that was unbelievable, ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, it was ridiculous because it was like it was like,
you realize that Troy, if you asked Troy to run
forty yards and timed, he's okay fast, you know what
I'm saying. But in that moment, I mean, Troy was
was was was was hawking. Oh yeah, he he hawked
him down and swooped in. You would have thought they
ran the same four two forty you know. Yeah, So
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so that that was pretty And then of course we
also remember against the same team, Troy timed the snap
perfectly on a quarterback sneak and tackle. Was it Collins?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Was a QB carry Collins?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I believe it was carry Collins, right, I
mean sacked him for a two yard loss on a
quarterback stack. I mean, I would love to see Troy
against this tush push era in exactly Kamakazi style. Baby yeah,
coming off the top rope like Jimmy's super Fly snooker.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Watch that elbow drop.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. But I mean, you know,
just you know, so so yeah, So, I mean, so
I was kind of a little honked up. So I
actually called Troy Vincent and voiced my displeasure about it
once I found out which park they were they were dedicating,
and and you know, because it was like a Play
sixty grant that they do for the NFL. NFL Play
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sixty that goes in and grants to refurbish parks and everything.
So I was just I was like honked off once
I found out. I was like, nope, I would like
Bruce Almighty answering the emails when he became God originally,
remember he was like, oh, let me just check these
emails out, so you know, I was like, I was like,
I have to say something because you know that that
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just I was like, you guys need to do your research.
If you're going to go into a city. You have
all these other research you know, assistance and pre destination
specialists that you hire to do target pop studies and
blah blah blah blah blah all stuff. Instance, I was like,
you couldn't look up your indexasy, Hey, what players do
we have that originate from the city of Orlando? You know,
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I mean, it's easy. It's in our bio. You know
what I'm saying, Like, It's not like, ah, you know,
guess where those guys are. I'm like, you have. I mean,
you have everything. You have, you have everything down to
our blood type in the NFL database, you know what
I'm saying. Like, And you can find a.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Very quick Google search just showed me NFL players from Orlando.
Chris Johnson, Haha, Clinton Dix, Warren Sap, Max Stark's, Nate Newton,
Tim Newton. Like, I mean the list goes on and on.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Here there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Now, Nate was in was in was incarcerated at that time,
so Nate would but record but yeah, but but hey
but still from Orlando, still from Orlando. And then you know,
like now like Gabe Davis is obviously he's from Stanford,
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which is right outside of Orlando, same area. I mean,
so there's a there's a number of guys who come
and then uh D R C. H. Dominice Rogers, Comarty
from Orlando. He actually went to Lake Island. He was
still Dominique Rodgers at that time. When he moved over
to Edgewater High School. For some reason, he added the
hyphen Crowmarty. I don't, I don't, but but I mean so, so, yeah,
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there's a bunch of guys from that area, and especially
if you're if you want to celebrate the NFL, you
want to celebrate this. I mean, heck, they sent a
golden football, you know, when they did the Super Bowl
fifty golden football to dedicate to the schools. You had
to send it to my school. So you had to
look up, Hey, where did where where did the guy
go to high school at? Oh yeah, that's right, I'm
(23:33):
saying it to Lake Island Prep. Come on. Any who,
any who I digress.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Is Dante Culpepper. Want or did he just go to UCF.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He went to uc He's from Ocala, Florida, so he's
closer to Gainesville, gotcha. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep,
so that yeah, that's where he went. He went to.
I want to say o'kella Forest High School. I want
to say up there. So yeah, so Dante's from Florida,
but he's a little bit further.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
North, not quite Orlando proper.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly different different, different area, but yeah, so
you know, just there we go. I'm gonna get off
my soapbox about Pro Bowl Festival. I enjoyed that, Yeah,
and I appreciate your research there to find additional guys
you know that were that could have also filled the
role that I would not have been honked off about
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many of many of many. Indeed, all right, with that,
we're gonna step aside, and the possession arrow swings back
in the wolf direction because I just went out of bounds.
So we will be back with more here inside of
the Locker Room on the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
This is in the Locker Room, presented by Ford and
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Wilfley and Max Starks.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
You know, Max, I still go back to last weekend
and you know there's something rotten in Denmark if you
ask me. Okay, okay, all right again, judge Patrick Holt,
all right, that guy there was the guy who ruled
on Josh Allen being short of the line to gain. Okay, Now,
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coming off of that, we've got everybody going, you know,
from Jean Sterator to you know, other guys that say
no that he made the first down. I mean, if
you look at it, there's some visual stuff out there
that shows the line to gain in a proper position,
and there's just no way you can conclude that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Josh Allen was short of that line to gain. But
what was.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Interesting was you've got Patrick Holt is. I guess some
fans kind of checked out his uh Twitter stuff like
some years ago, you know, and they he's obviously a
Baltimore Ravens fan, which I find kind of interesting when
you if you're that much of a fan, then how
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do you remain neutral, you know what I mean. But
besides that, and the only one thing I laugh about is,
you know, he he had he had Remember when Helodi
Nota did a little rhinoplasty work on Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, oh, he seemed to love.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
To enjoy that putting that on his feed, you know. Oh, yeah,
he had a whole lot got he got the Yeah, yeah,
he had pictures of Ben up there. Know pre Ben
knows job and Post knows job, you know, and you know,
I just I find it kind of interesting that you
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got somebody like that who had such deferential treatment to.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It, didn't not well, let's put it this way. He's
he was a Baltimore fan. Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
So I don't know whether you know, you can neutralize
yourself all of a sudden there years later, but certainly
I found it interesting that he's got the big Ben
up there with a regular nose and then the the
post Hellodi knows.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah. Well, I mean listen, and that's what I said.
I said, there's human fallacy in you know, refereeing wolf.
It's not it's not a perfect science, but any stretch
of the imagination and these guys, at the end of
the day, are still fans. So you catch guys that
will that will quote unquote watch and not and then
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react later. But you know, everybody's a fan of the sport.
If you play this game, you're a fan of the sport, right,
If you if you are a fan, you're gonna spectate
and imagine getting the best seat in the house. Right,
you were between the white lines and you don't and
you don't have and you don't you have a uniform on,
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but you don't have any pads on. And if guys
hit you, they're in trouble. So you know you're you're
walking around as a very protected man. Yeah, and or
just say person, well, person, yeah, be politically correct because
if you have we do have women referees as well.
So you're a very fortunate person to be in a
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position like that. But at the end of the day,
the only reason why you do this job is because
you love it, right, So you know, whatever capacity it
is around the entire sport, you work in sports, you
are a sports fan, and so I look at it
in a say, man, you know a fan is going
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to see that differently than an informed, impartial individual, and
that's but that's what we have to deal with right,
because that informed and impartial individual will eventually be a
fan if you're around it enough. You can't help but
assimilate into that just by the nature of proximity. And
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of course, every every human being loves competition in some
form or another. You know, you want to see who wins,
who loses. There's nobody going, man, I wish everybody would win. No,
you're you're a person who wants to say I want
to be separated from the crowd. I want to be
separated from the fray. And so you know, we have
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a we have a referee here who who enjoys being
a fan.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, no doubt about it, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But it's just it was just interesting to me that
he just seemed to take a little glee and Big
Ben having an job by via HELLOADI.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know, I'm sure we would. We would also see
the same if we saw Joe Flacco with the same thing.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I wouldn't post it on my feet.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't know, I mean yeah, I mean, first of all,
I would worry that you would. Even if you did post,
I'd be like, wait a second, who took over Wolf's account?
But true, Yeah, but you're right, I mean you know,
especially when you're such a public official, right, you know,
as a referee of a game, you know, you can't
show partiality. Is that is that a word? Partiality?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It is now?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It is now, it is now, So you know, you
there we go. Subjectivity that's the better word that, even
though partiality sounds way cooler, but subjectivity is the correct originality.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's the only thing I could figure that ahead.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
What was this post about ben from? Was it from
like fifteen years ago? And people just went and dug
back it was Michael Was he in college when he
made this post? And now he's forty year old?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I don't know that I can tell you. You know, it
was just interesting to me that this was out there.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You know, and I think he I think he's older
than forty, by the way, most of those referees are. Yeah,
I feel like I think there's a requirement where you
can't be under forty.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And you got a president, right you hyeah, he.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Had at least forty two. But apparently we also need maximums.
But that's a different story.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Reguardlets we're gonna move yeah, all right, we're gonna move
on because.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Real real quick for you I think you'll like this
localized example of this. I played hockey against a kid
growing up who is now an NHL referee. Oh yeah,
I get you know what. I wasn't gonna say his name,
but like you can. I'm it's public. You can go
on Google right now and put an NHL referee from
Pittsburgh and I'm sure it pops up. His name's Firman South.
He went to the Quaker Valley. I went to Mars.
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He was a year or two older than me, but
he was a really good hockey player. He's now a
referee in the NHL, and somebody actually tracked it. He
calls more penalties on the Penguins than any other team
in the league because I think he doesn't want to
get the reputation, know if he grew up a Penguins fan,
so obviously he favors the Penguins when he he calls.
If you look at the thirty two teams in the NHL,
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the highest percentage team that he calls penalties on is
the Pens. So somebody pointed it out and they're like, Furman,
you're going the wrong way with this.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Buddy, Come on exactly. But we know that that you
are a fan, you don't have to prove your displeasure
by penalizing.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
It's like two years older than me, So he's probably
thirty five, thirty six years old, something like that. He's
been a referee in the NHL now for the couple
a couple of years, and he calls a higher rate
of penalties on the Penguins than anybody else. And I
think it's because in the back of his mind he's
probably like, I don't want people accusing me of being
a homer towards my hometown team. Sure, so I understand
that from his viewpoint as well too.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Well, it's interesting because you look at it was like
a little reverse boomerang. Now you know he's boomerang and
the other way. That's kind of crazy. I don't know,
this whole thing is just up. You know, it's up
in the air. But certainly I got to believe that,
you know, well, with the advent of now, they never
used to do this, but now they've got the referee
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statistical stuff, you know that tells you this group calls,
you know, a lot of pass interference. This group, you know,
the winning percentage of the team a home team either
goes up or down when this group is and it's
just I don't know, they're not much you can get
away with. That was I believe it was truly a
bad call. Josh made the line to gain. There was
(33:26):
no doubt about it. Now when you see the the
the ability to go from overhead view and you know,
take it all in. I wish they had have that
at game day because certainly that's something that could have been,
you know, really helpful to the Bills at that time,
because that's when they turned it over and that was
late in the game, so that that would have been unfortunate.
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But you know, such as it is, all right, you
know what, why don't we we'll go let's go to
break now, because we get to get back to the
last ramp up here. The possession arrow goes there. You
got the bell lap coming up here in the locker room,
and we'll be back with more. You're listening to the
Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
This is in the Locker Room, presented by Ford and
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Wolfley and Max Stark's.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Too hot to handle, too cold to hole the cover,
ghost buses and a bed, the control whatever. Sorry, I
had a moment there. I was had a song that
popped in my head. I had to get it out
so it no longer resides in there, rent Free. The
most important thing is wolf as we know as we
come to the end of the day, it is the
(35:15):
bell lap. That's right, early lunch warning system engaged for
steal a nation on a Thursday. And you know what
I want to ask you this question?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay, friend, we are We're in the.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
AFC North Division, right, one of the best divisions in
all the football, I would argue. And there is a
team that's west of us, past the capital of Ohio,
which is Columbus, into a city that kind of sits
down into a valley right on the Kentucky border, right
(35:53):
across from Covington, right, yeah, right across from Covington, Kentucky.
A great place to go and get allocated uh bourbon bottles,
by the way, And actually, funny enough, the Cincinnati Airport
is in covent in Kentucky. It's actually in Kentucky kind
of like Nebraska, you know, like Omaha's airport is actually
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in Iowa. It's pretty funny. So yeah, so you have
these city airports that are right on like borders, uh
state state lines, and their airport, which is name, which
they have access to and rights to, is in a
different city. So very intro sante indeed. But as we
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go to the land of what I like to call uh,
you know, spiced spiced sweet meat sauce because it is
not chili if you can put it on spaghetti, Cincinnati
has a has a wide receiver issue or or is it?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I don't know. This is interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Can they sign both wolf?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Is what I asked?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And they continue to keep the quote unquote the boys
in the band.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
You know, I gotta believe it's got to be difficult
for t Higgins to be pegged as in number two
with the numbers he can pull in. But you take
a look at Jamar Chase, right, Jamar he you know,
the Steelers and I'm sorry the Bengals and Jamar couldn't
come together.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
On a long term contract extension last year.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Right, So he plays, he plays through it, and he
comes off with the best season. Ever, I mean he
led the league with a trifecta of one hundred and
twenty seven receptions, seventeen hundred and eight yards, seventeen tds.
And you know how many targets this guy got?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
How many?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
One hundred and seventy five. I mean, man, that's a
lot of targets. So now that leaves you with he
got T Higgins and can the Bengals afford to keep
both of them?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Now?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
In only twelve games? I think I think T only
played twelve games last year. Seventy three receptions, nine hundred
up and yards off of one hundred and nine targets. Man,
that is targetration to just the two of them. And
I just wonder, you know, kid number one does, does
T want to be you know, number two on the team,
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and number two is, well they pay him as a
number one. You know, I don't know how you can, frankly,
how you can keep both those guys.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, I mean it's really tough. I mean, because there's
only one football on the field, right and you have
two elite level talents I think elite elite, Yeah, yeah,
And I think that's where I kind of have to say,
got to pick one. Got to pick one. You know what,
I'm saying, two dogs, one bone, because there's no way
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to keep both of them satisfied. I mean, heck, just
look at you know what was going on in the
drama in Philadelphia, right with AJ Brown and Jalen Hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Sure, yeah, look.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
No further than that to understand if there can actually
be problems, Yes, there can, And I think that's where
because both of them were going for you know, new contracts.
They want to stay with their respective teams. But at
the end of the day, you know, only one can
stay because we just.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
How do you go on seventy targets, man, one hundred
and seventy five.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Man, that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
But you think about this. The run game was inconsistent,
so Joe Burrow had to throw a lot of those
in sure, you know he throwing a lot of short
intermediate routes as well, a lot of now screens, funnel screens, right,
you know, wide receiver s screens, So I mean, you
have that part of it. But at the end of
the day, I mean it's it's like he had that
many targets, that many yards, that many touchdowns and they
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still had a losing record. Yea so apparently there's an
additional X factor or.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Well, they had a lot of problems. Defensively speaking, lou
Ana Romo is gone. He was on, yes, you know,
and uh, you know, I just look at these guys.
I just wonder if you know T Higgins, Hey, Tea,
you know, we're up here in Pittsburgh. You interested, uh
you know, uh, Steelers, are you interested maybe in going
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after T Higgins? I mean, the guy is six four
two twenty he is. Back in my day, that was
a tight.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
End, you know.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I mean maybe maybe a few more pounded pounds, but
really it was basically a tight end. And here you
got this guy so big, and you think about the
problems that Corey Trice hadn't covering him, you know, and
uh yeah, and and Joey Porter had with you know,
Jamar Chase or whoever was there.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
There were those guys.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
These these two guys are really elite level athletes. Man.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Well, yeah, I mean the elite level athletes. I mean
there's a special skill set. But I think with that,
because of like you said, Wolf, special athletes, special skill set,
I think that lends itself to got to pick one.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, to me, how do you keep both of them,
you know, and.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Who would you rather have? Would you rather rather have
George Pickens or T Higgins?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, I think that. I think that's the biggest question,
right because it's you know, it can be whoever. And
as long as you can hold your breath, you know
what I'm saying, you might have a shot. But I
kind of I kind of look at it and I
say production, you know, and target volume versus can you know,
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you know, schedule and being able to I'm trying to
think of what the word is being able to distribute
efficiently is ultimately I'm trying to get to but there's
a word for it. I just can't remember. It's just
my tongue.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
The point is, you know, would there be an opportunity
to maybe land at T. Higgins that that would be
really interesting. I can't I can't see the Bengals doing
that or somehow, you know, to let him go into
Pittsburgh here, But he would be he would be a guy.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
That would a great addition. But he would be a
number one guy too.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah. No, he he automatically will walk into the number
one role wherever he goes. Thirty one other well, I
should say twenty six other ball clubs he would be
the number one, because I think if he went to Minnesota,
he'd be a number two, if not three, for like
a Minnesota Detroit, he'd probably number two opposite a'm gonas
Saint Brown. So there are some teams where he would
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come in and walk into his number two. But there's
plenty of teams, more than enough teams that would walk
in and place him as wide receiver one. I mean,
let's think about New York. The Jets would probably welcome that,
even though you have a gear Wilson. The Patriots would
accept that because they ain't got nobody, but you know
a bunch of green Toy soldiers that they line up
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out there and they don't move. You know, the Saints
would welcome that. H Jacksonville is okay because you know
they had they took Brian Thomas junior. The Giants would
be okay. They took elite neighbors. So there's there's there's
a couple of teams that wouldn't, but there's way more
that would, way more than would. You're telling me Baltimore
(43:32):
wouldn't take Tea Higgins as as a number one receiver
right now, as absolutely like you said, we already know Pittsburgh,
I mean Cleveland would take because remember they traded a
Marik Cooper away, so you know they have a need
for number one. So there's a lot of teams that
would that would be in that running, and that would
probably price the Steelers out. As my best gat, Yes, no,
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it's a fantastical idea, Wolf, I'm not even gonna not
even to fight it. That that would be fantastic to
be able to add that along with the George Picketts.
Now you've got what Cincinnati had, two skyscraper tall, wide
receivers who are super athletic and can take over a
game by themselves.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Do you think George will be able to handle it?
Uh no, But he'd have to get over it. Yeah, right,
I mean because at the end of the day, what
what what?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
What's job? One?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Job?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And listen and and that's where you hope business is
a booming. Heard that before, Yes, we had, we had,
we had, we have heard that before. And it's probably
the only positive note I'll take away from that. But
with that, Wolf, I believe this is the end of
the show. I believe, my friend, until we get Missy tomorrow.
(44:53):
On the Friday edition, of the locker room.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
And don't forget Drel Gilliam, a director of Light of Life.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Missus right, Dreau Gilliam as well, director of Light of
Life Ministries will be coming on as well. So we
got a fun action pack Friday, and we'll also be
taking your calls towards the end of the show as well,
so make sure you tune in and show up and
show out for us steal a nation. I'll give you
the phone number ahead of time so you can dial
it in and save it into your your directory. The
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number is four one two nine one six to reach
the locker room, which we'll open those up tomorrow for you.
We'll let you know in advance. But we have two
fantastic guests. Of course our very own Missy Matthews and
of course Terreu Gilliam, uh, director of the Light of
Lights Ministry.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Do you ever hear Armann Gilliam gat NBA m Arma
armand armand that's his brother.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Oh really, okay, there we go there. I thought you
were gonna say Joe Gilliam for the Steelers. Yeah, but yeah, no,
so awesome. So yeah, we have a lot of fun,
lot of fun. Uh. He's Rick he's Greig. We'll I'm
Max starkses. Huh.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It sounded like you said, I'm wreck. He's wreck.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
No, No, you're he's Craig Wolfley.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Oh, thank you, I thought you.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, he is you and you as him. He is
you and you as him?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Who am I getting? I'm Max Stark's Uh, WeSC Euler?
Are the ones and two's? Who else do we got? Uh?
And by the way, ones and two's are like the
two turntables and a microphone. Anyways, sensational there it is.
Thank thank you, Myron, and then of course CJ and
since La Martina background check Brian Lo Martina and of
course the great CJ. Wolfy to be more direct. Uh
(46:43):
for that this has been a show. Tune in tomorrow,
same BAT channel, saying Bat Time new guests, of course
on a Friday, and we'll be back with more tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Go back here,
This is in the Locker Room, presented by Ford and
brought to you by acro Sure, the official insurance and
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and by FedEx. Where now meets next? Now here's Craig
Wolfley and Max Stark's.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
All right, well, back inside the locker room here on
a Thursday, and of course it's the power hour.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well it sounded closer.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
He promission to buzz the tower.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Every day. I think I've been trying to give the
Optimus Prime just a little extra juice, a little more levels.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Each day than you.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So by the time we get to the end of
next week, we're blowing out our ear drum whenever.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Exactly, or we get ran over one of the two
why not, yeah, exactly, time off, time will deserved and
well spent.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I got there's no there's no disability optimist runs over you.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, no, no, no, technically that's the life of a
freelance contractor.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wolf There you go.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
We'll have to bring that up at our next Collectively
Bargained Broadcasters Meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, but you know, at the
end of the day, we'll get free panera.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, no, no, no, who needs neo sporing and Bandy's just
put a little Mao and some lettuce song. You'll be fine,
but no, you know, kind of but it's it's kind
of interesting Wolf. You know, we were talking about it
with the with the Pro Bowl games. Of course, you know,
you don't want to downplay it, so to speak. Yeah,
(02:03):
you don't want to, but but at the same time,
it's tough to take it seriously, right, I mean, well
it is It's.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
A festival, really, is what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
You know, it's a variety show festival with acts growing
down each day. And look, I can understand, I see
the concern about players.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Health, and.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I don't know, we never thought about it back in
the day, you know what I mean. It was just
that opportunity to show your skills as one of the
best in the league, and you certainly wanted to do that.
You know, we could stand out and be recognized even
if you are an alternate like this.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, I mean our dream and desire
was to actually do this because we knew it was
actually a game, right, that was actually football and not
game Zaza.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Right right.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I remember back in my day, Reggie White and some
of the other guys I'm remember a touch talking about
because he went twice to the Pro Bowl and he said,
these guys are all playing for the free car. You know,
the defensive player of the game got a car. And
he said, it's on these guys. They don't play any run.
He goes, they're just they're just screaming up the field
(03:15):
for the pass, you know, And when they run, he says,
you know, guys just kind of you know, just leave
it for somebody.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Else, you know it.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
But that that pass rush man when it was third down,
they were coming like like firemen putting out a fire man.
They were just hostile and all over the place.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well yeah, I mean because once again, you know what
was the ultimate mediocrity stat stat is that And I
hate to say it like that, but that's that's the
old lineman. Emmy. I can't I can't get away from it.
It's like, oh, yeah, the guy had two sacks, he
had a tremendous game. How good is this dude? But
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there were seventy plays in the game. I made two
of them serious, and there's eleven guys. So technically he
did exactly what he did one thirty fifth of the
job that eleven guys should be able to do in
a game to be effective, don't Yeah, I know. And
there's like, well, well I blocked him great for sixty
(04:17):
eight plays. I'm like, what what what you know? But
and now I'm a bum, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's like the margin of era is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's the problem. Too much is put on the sacks.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
See, you know, you don't see us stuffing the guys
and knocking him on their keysters and stuff like that,
but you see the sacks kaboom.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know. It's like it's like, can he get a
sackless steat? Does he get a sack taken away? For
every time I pancake him? You know, kill like even
it out, you know, I mean I feel like that
would right, imagine that if you could just go and say, yeah,
he got a sack, but guess what, I put him
on his keyster and then and then I added some
jelly to the work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Absolutely, that's like the the plus minus, you know, fumbles, takeaways, turnovers,
you know what I mean. Yeah, he should have a
plus minus for offensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yes, exactly, that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That's right. I brought the peanut butter. He was the jelly.
You know what I'm saying, like, like.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's what it's supposed to be. Baby, That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It must be jam because jelly don't shake like that.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, come on, or
the other way around, the other way. Run.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
We need to push this.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
I mean, yeah, you know theory of plus bonus for
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, it's just the Max and Wolf's stat. It's the
hidden stat behind the status. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, okay, Like, hey,
Zach f Zach Frasier, he gave up a sack, but
guess what, he pancaked them three times, so technically he's
a plus two. That's plus two against you know, Dexter Laura.
I'm just naming somebody.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
You know, Zach didn't give up a sack, Max, so
I mean, please.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So he's like plus thirty seven. Then he's like plus
thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Then you know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Saying, even better, thank you, Wesley. He didn't give up one.
That was just plus thirty six. Yeah, roocky Mulligan, but
he had so many other pancakes on top of that.
He should be like plus thirty six in the defensive
rush stat It should be rush defensive rush efficiency. Whoever,
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he plays like negative three. Yeah he got a sack,
but he's negative three and defensive rush capacity. I'm like
trying to make this up and I keep changing it
every single time. But it should be a Max and
Wolf report card recognized by the National Football League, you
know what I'm saying. Like we should have like a
little stamp. It should have like a WNS and then
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and then it should and then it should be the
NFL shield.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Also, you guys want one more grievance. And this is
coming from a non.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Hog, but on your behalf, Yes, yes, Defensive offensive linemen
are the only guys in the NFL that can't win
an individual award, right, And I don't mean like Walter
Payton Mann of the Year or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Anybody on the defense can win Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah,
it's usually pass rushers, but we've seen guys in the
secondary do it before, as we've seen defensive linemen. We've
seen linebackers, edge rushers, guys in the secondary. On offense, yeah,
it's usually quarterbacks, but you still have Offensive Player of
the Year that goes to running backs, wide receivers, tight ends.
Offensive line is the only position that you can't win
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an individual award.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We are so overlooked.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I mean, what are we doing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean, and we're the largest concentration on any team.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So we need the Max and Wolf Award. And that'll
be granted annually to the best offensive lineman in the
National Football League.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, exactly, that's Yeah, that'll just give Zach Frazier every
year for the next decade. You know, hey, hey, hey, hey,
there's other guys who could win. Troy McCormick could win
it too.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Okay, all right, well much like you know, I guess
everybody else getting their Super Bowls around the homes. You know,
Zach will lead the pack and everyone else can get one.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
All right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
See exactly, Yes, spread the wealth just like yeah, like
you said, like Pat Mahomes, you got spread the wealth
around somehow.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Pat Mahomes, You know, I don't I need to just
relax on that stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Oh go ahead, Wolf, getting off your chest, baby, that's
what we got time for.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Exactly. Well, no, you're your grievance.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yes, I hear that, and I just again, I go
back to the preference or preferential treatment that he apparently
does receive, you know. I I know that there was
some discussion after the game with Pat Mahomes and and
and Josh Allen as they you know, met briefly in
the field, and I think that Josh said something that
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upset Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
But you know, I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Okay, I get it in the slides and everything else,
but when you start taking advantage of the rules, you know,
where you purposely like linger by the out of bounds
and then up like a rock, you know, I mean
like you sink down like a like a fat guy
on a seesaw, you know, just before contact. I mean,
come on, you're stretching the rules now, and the preferable
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preferential treatment you're getting.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So what you're saying is is that he figured out
the the football version of a flop, is what you're
telling me.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I would say, so, you know, I would say so certainly,
you mean.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He really didn't get hit as hard as he as
he pretended to be. No, say it ain't.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So is it a hint of sarcasm that I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, not at all. Why would you even think that?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Exactly? I mean, that's that's what it looks like, you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Know, bending and manipulating the rules.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Sure sounds like another quarterback and team from the AFC
not too long ago as.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, except for he hasn't had rules created yet. He
hasn't reached that level or cachet level. He is that
he is that. Yeah, yeah, I'm making Patriots Tom Brady
tom Brady the tuck rule.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Wow? I mean might have had might have had insider.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Information, manipulated the pick play on offense better than anybody else,
the rub route, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Julian Edelman can talk all he wants about how Mike
Tomlin runs the same sort of defense and he gets
covered by, you know, a linebacker and he had nine catches,
But he also was with the greatest quarterback in the
history of the NFL who could set up and use
personnel and formations to place a guy in that specific
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matchup and abuse that matchup.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
You know, I mean exactly, I.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Just sit there and go all right, tell the whole story, though, Julian,
you know, well, he's not going to because it has
to has to benefit him.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Wolf, I know that. You know it doesn't look as
good as you know. Once again, do not let the
truth get in the way of a good story.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Okay, yeah, how do I forget that?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah? Exactly, journalism shock jock one oh one.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
You know, I the thing about with Pat is just
you know, if this whole Taylor Swift thing wasn't occurring simultaneously,
you couldn't have a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You just sit there. Okay, that's the way it is.
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That's how they treated most of the quarterbacks, although they
didn't treat Ben that way. That's for certain, you know,
yeah no, But but the fact is, you know, you
treat my homes a little bit differently. I think it
certainly appears to me just from you know, viewing from
the outside.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But hey, I'm just a guy, just my thoughts, that's all.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah. Ben has another nose, you know, he doesn't he
doesn't need he doesn't need both nostrils to breathe out of.
You know, if you punched in the face by Holoda Nada,
you just need one nostril, right heloadis and.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Rhino plastic shop.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's uh, it's was it?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know he Helodi's house of plastics. You know.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
One time I remember asking Casey Hampton, I go, who's
got the bigger noggin? You are a HELOADI And he goes, oh,
of course, Helodi, not me. You're looking at this bowling
ball sitting in between two mountain mountainous traps, Casey, you know,
you know, going, I don't know that nagging here is
pretty large.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Man. It's because he shaves, because he has the ball
that he shaves that you should know this Wolf, Yeah, nogging,
nagging looks larger than they appear.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
That's true. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's like a maraji, you know, like bugs. Bunny would say,
some muragi.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's a maraji. Come on, guys, you know you know
what it is. I mean, you know, hey, hey, you
know I shine, I shine.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
They keep the sheen, you know, and shining there you go.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, as I kind of look at it, wolf,
you know. And we're back to the the Pro Bowl Festival, yes, yes, yeah, yeah,
the Festival of Professional Athletes. Yes, you know, you know
what it is. You know what it really is. It's
an exposition. Yeah, yeah, you know, exposition or exhibition, however
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you want to look at it. I think of an
exposition because I feel like it's only only thing missing
is a tent. But we played in the stadium, so
is close enough to being in a circus. You know,
it's in Orlando again, Remember they tried moving it around
to the cities.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Well that's the only place you could draw some of
the families, right because of Disney.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, and that's what I said. But then they were like, no,
we want to try and make more money for NFL
player cities. And I'm like, as if the owners need
even more opportunities to make money than they already. But
you know, I look at it and I say, Orlando
is the perfectly If it's not gonna be in Hawaii,
I felt like Hawaii was the whole because that was
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like the honor you look forward to that, right, I mean,
that was truly a vacation. It was the gift inside
of the gift. Right, You not only get to compete
for money, but you get to do it in like
one of the most beautiful places you know in the world.
And you know, there's beaches, there's beautiful weather, you get coconuts, pineapples,
all the tropical fruit lights you get to leave cold weather,
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like in Pennsylvania, New York, Minnesota, you know, Wisconsin, Seattle,
Kansas City. I'm just thinking almost every every single NFL
city that is above the Mason Dixon line. But then again,
it did snow in New Orleans and Florida and Alabama,
so that could be. Yeah, that could be, you know,
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because Jacksonville was right on that line with the Pensacola
where it was at. It's crazy, I mean, you know,
and I don't understand why they just can't get a
more permanent contract. I guess they don't want Camping World Stadium,
feeling that that's the home stadium was old Citrus Bowl
now Camping World Stadium. My high school is actually literally
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a block away from there. That's the first so I
played in that stadium, Camping World Stadium. I played my
first ever football game, which happened to be in high school.
Was when I was allowed to finally play football, and
I played my first ever game there in the Citrus Bowl.
So that place holds a very special place in my heart.
As a kid growing up, you know, about a stone
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throw away from that stadium, you know, I got my
first starting football ever at that stadium, so it holds
significance to me. I'm just you know, I was always
upset when they first brought it there. I was never
asked to go down there and speak. They brought like
ray Lewis, Jerome, Jason Taylor, all these guys that are
from you know, Jerome, well other schools, but also played
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in the state, but not in the city, right you know,
of Orlando, or from Orlando, because like ray Lewis is
from bartow which is about an hour and a half
west of Orlando. You know, Jason Taylor's from Akron, Ohio
and played for the Miami Dolphins. And of course Jerome's
from Detroit and played for the Steelers in the RAMS,
so nowhere near an association with Orlando, Florida. And they
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brought them to open you know the park down there.
They actually they refurbished Hants Park And did you did
you know that that was a park where I used
to play basket pick up basketball kid? Really?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, It's funny because Camping World Stadium was what the
old Citrus.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Bowl, right yeah, which was then the old Tangerine Bowl
before the Citters Bowl.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
There you go so back way back in ninety one
before we played Tampa Bay and I was with at
that point the Vikings. We flew in for several days
to you know, kind of get weather rise be able
to go. But we practiced in the Citrus Bowl. That's
pretty nice. Oh interesting, Yeah nice, Yeah, we got yeah,
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a little connection.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Look at that little kid. Actually we both played the
same we both at least participate in the same place.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, no doubt about it. I think that was very
interesting that. You know, that was the first well, No.
Eighty three was the first time I went. We flew early.
That was a playoff game. Though this wasn't a playoff game,
but it was close to being a playoff caliber game.
We were in the middle of, you know, trying to
went out towards the end of the season and it
just didn't happen. But anyhow, that was I would say
(17:37):
that that was that The Citrus Bowl was a nice place.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Really, I mean, who plays there? We college plays.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
There, so nobody actually Orlando Orlando City Soccer plays there.
Oh no kidding, because because UCF used to play there,
but they got the stadium on campus, SOF used to
play there. And my high school used to play there
before we actually got rights to the to the to
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the fields across the street from our high school, but
because it was owned by the city for the longest time.
And then they finally allowed you know, my high school,
Jones High School to actually you know, pay for and
buy the field and have it attached to the school
as a part of the school property. But now it
sits over there. And actually I just did a grant
(18:26):
to my old high school to have them redo like
the banners and the wind screen around the around the
you know, the fencing and everything. I just I just
paid for that a couple of years ago to kind
of enhance that area. Yeah, because people were sitting outside
the gate, like with their cars parked up and sitting
on the hood of their cars watching the football games.
Supposed to paying the five dollars entrance fee, I was like,
(18:49):
come on, guys, stop being stop being so cheap. Just
pay five bucks. It goes to the school boosters, you know,
to help the kids out. So so yeah, so we
put up put they put up some some new wind
screens to block that. So I mean it's you know,
it's something personal to me, and and you know that's
why I kind of felt so, you know, kind of
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not to say I was felt slighted, but I was like,
there's a lot of guys from the Orlando central Florida
area that you could have got for that. I mean,
because you look, Wren SAPs from a Papka, which is
not far He actually donated a computer room back in
the day in the Citrus Bowl. You know, Chris Johnson's
from Orlando as well. You know, and obviously we know
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Chris Johnson, you know, one of the most recent guys
outside of you know, more recent guy in NFL history
to also run for two thousand yards in the season.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Do you remember when he Troy ran him down in
the open field? Oh yeah, Oh my goodness. That was
that was unbelievable, ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, it was ridiculous because it was like it was like,
you realize that Troy, if you asked Troy to run
forty yards and timed, he's okay fast, you know what
I'm saying. But in that moment, I mean, Troy was
was was was was hawking. Oh yeah, he he hawked
him down and swooped in. You would have thought they
ran the same four two forty you know. Yeah, So
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so that that was pretty And then of course we
also remember against the same team, Troy timed the snap
perfectly on a quarterback sneak and tackle. Was it Collins?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Was a QB carry Collins?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I believe it was carry Collins, right, I
mean sacked him for a two yard loss on a
quarterback stack. I mean, I would love to see Troy
against this tush push era in exactly Kamakazi style. Baby yeah,
coming off the top rope like Jimmy's super Fly snooker.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Watch that elbow drop.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. But I mean, you know,
just you know, so so yeah, So, I mean, so
I was kind of a little honked up. So I
actually called Troy Vincent and voiced my displeasure about it
once I found out which park they were they were dedicating,
and and you know, because it was like a Play
sixty grant that they do for the NFL. NFL Play
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sixty that goes in and grants to refurbish parks and everything.
So I was just I was like honked off once
I found out. I was like, nope, I would like
Bruce Almighty answering the emails when he became God originally,
remember he was like, oh, let me just check these
emails out, so you know, I was like, I was like,
I have to say something because you know that that
(21:36):
just I was like, you guys need to do your research.
If you're going to go into a city. You have
all these other research you know, assistance and pre destination
specialists that you hire to do target pop studies and
blah blah blah blah blah all stuff. Instance, I was like,
you couldn't look up your indexasy, Hey, what players do
we have that originate from the city of Orlando? You know,
(21:59):
I mean, it's easy. It's in our bio. You know
what I'm saying, Like, It's not like, ah, you know,
guess where those guys are. I'm like, you have. I mean,
you have everything. You have, you have everything down to
our blood type in the NFL database, you know what
I'm saying. Like, And you can find a.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Very quick Google search just showed me NFL players from Orlando.
Chris Johnson, Haha, Clinton Dix, Warren Sap, Max Stark's, Nate Newton,
Tim Newton. Like, I mean the list goes on and on.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Here there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Now, Nate was in was in was incarcerated at that time,
so Nate would but record but yeah, but but hey
but still from Orlando, still from Orlando. And then you know,
like now like Gabe Davis is obviously he's from Stanford,
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which is right outside of Orlando, same area. I mean,
so there's a there's a number of guys who come
and then uh D R C. H. Dominice Rogers, Comarty
from Orlando. He actually went to Lake Island. He was
still Dominique Rodgers at that time. When he moved over
to Edgewater High School. For some reason, he added the
hyphen Crowmarty. I don't, I don't, but but I mean so, so, yeah,
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there's a bunch of guys from that area, and especially
if you're if you want to celebrate the NFL, you
want to celebrate this. I mean, heck, they sent a
golden football, you know, when they did the Super Bowl
fifty golden football to dedicate to the schools. You had
to send it to my school. So you had to
look up, Hey, where did where where did the guy
go to high school at? Oh yeah, that's right, I'm
(23:33):
saying it to Lake Island Prep. Come on. Any who,
any who I digress.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Is Dante Culpepper. Want or did he just go to UCF.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He went to uc He's from Ocala, Florida, so he's
closer to Gainesville, gotcha. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep,
so that yeah, that's where he went. He went to.
I want to say o'kella Forest High School. I want
to say up there. So yeah, so Dante's from Florida,
but he's a little bit further.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
North, not quite Orlando proper.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly different different, different area, but yeah, so
you know, just there we go. I'm gonna get off
my soapbox about Pro Bowl Festival. I enjoyed that, Yeah,
and I appreciate your research there to find additional guys
you know that were that could have also filled the
role that I would not have been honked off about
(24:28):
many of many of many. Indeed, all right, with that,
we're gonna step aside, and the possession arrow swings back
in the wolf direction because I just went out of bounds.
So we will be back with more here inside of
the Locker Room on the Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
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and by FedEx. Where now meets next? Now here's Craig
Wilfley and Max Starks.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
You know, Max, I still go back to last weekend
and you know there's something rotten in Denmark if you
ask me. Okay, okay, all right again, judge Patrick Holt,
all right, that guy there was the guy who ruled
on Josh Allen being short of the line to gain. Okay, Now,
(25:47):
coming off of that, we've got everybody going, you know,
from Jean Sterator to you know, other guys that say
no that he made the first down. I mean, if
you look at it, there's some visual stuff out there
that shows the line to gain in a proper position,
and there's just no way you can conclude that.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Josh Allen was short of that line to gain. But
what was.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Interesting was you've got Patrick Holt is. I guess some
fans kind of checked out his uh Twitter stuff like
some years ago, you know, and they he's obviously a
Baltimore Ravens fan, which I find kind of interesting when
you if you're that much of a fan, then how
(26:31):
do you remain neutral, you know what I mean. But
besides that, and the only one thing I laugh about is,
you know, he he had he had Remember when Helodi
Nota did a little rhinoplasty work on Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, oh, he seemed to love.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
To enjoy that putting that on his feed, you know. Oh, yeah,
he had a whole lot got he got the Yeah, yeah,
he had pictures of Ben up there. Know pre Ben
knows job and Post knows job, you know, and you know,
I just I find it kind of interesting that you
(27:10):
got somebody like that who had such deferential treatment to.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It, didn't not well, let's put it this way. He's
he was a Baltimore fan. Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
So I don't know whether you know, you can neutralize
yourself all of a sudden there years later, but certainly
I found it interesting that he's got the big Ben
up there with a regular nose and then the the
post Hellodi knows.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah. Well, I mean listen, and that's what I said.
I said, there's human fallacy in you know, refereeing wolf.
It's not it's not a perfect science, but any stretch
of the imagination and these guys, at the end of
the day, are still fans. So you catch guys that
will that will quote unquote watch and not and then
(28:01):
react later. But you know, everybody's a fan of the sport.
If you play this game, you're a fan of the sport, right,
If you if you are a fan, you're gonna spectate
and imagine getting the best seat in the house. Right,
you were between the white lines and you don't and
you don't have and you don't you have a uniform on,
(28:21):
but you don't have any pads on. And if guys
hit you, they're in trouble. So you know you're you're
walking around as a very protected man. Yeah, and or
just say person, well, person, yeah, be politically correct because
if you have we do have women referees as well.
So you're a very fortunate person to be in a
(28:42):
position like that. But at the end of the day,
the only reason why you do this job is because
you love it, right, So you know, whatever capacity it
is around the entire sport, you work in sports, you
are a sports fan, and so I look at it
in a say, man, you know a fan is going
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to see that differently than an informed, impartial individual, and
that's but that's what we have to deal with right,
because that informed and impartial individual will eventually be a
fan if you're around it enough. You can't help but
assimilate into that just by the nature of proximity. And
(29:25):
of course, every every human being loves competition in some
form or another. You know, you want to see who wins,
who loses. There's nobody going, man, I wish everybody would win. No,
you're you're a person who wants to say I want
to be separated from the crowd. I want to be
separated from the fray. And so you know, we have
(29:46):
a we have a referee here who who enjoys being
a fan.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, no doubt about it, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
But it's just it was just interesting to me that
he just seemed to take a little glee and Big
Ben having an job by via HELLOADI.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know, I'm sure we would. We would also see
the same if we saw Joe Flacco with the same thing.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I wouldn't post it on my feet.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't know, I mean yeah, I mean, first of all,
I would worry that you would. Even if you did post,
I'd be like, wait a second, who took over Wolf's account?
But true, Yeah, but you're right, I mean you know,
especially when you're such a public official, right, you know,
as a referee of a game, you know, you can't
show partiality. Is that is that a word? Partiality?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
It is now?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It is now, it is now, So you know, you
there we go. Subjectivity that's the better word that, even
though partiality sounds way cooler, but subjectivity is the correct originality.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's the only thing I could figure that ahead.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
What was this post about ben from? Was it from
like fifteen years ago? And people just went and dug
back it was Michael Was he in college when he
made this post? And now he's forty year old?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I don't know that I can tell you. You know, it
was just interesting to me that this was out there.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You know, and I think he I think he's older
than forty, by the way, most of those referees are. Yeah,
I feel like I think there's a requirement where you
can't be under forty.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And you got a president, right you hyeah, he.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Had at least forty two. But apparently we also need maximums.
But that's a different story.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Reguardlets we're gonna move yeah, all right, we're gonna move
on because.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Real real quick for you I think you'll like this
localized example of this. I played hockey against a kid
growing up who is now an NHL referee. Oh yeah,
I get you know what. I wasn't gonna say his name,
but like you can. I'm it's public. You can go
on Google right now and put an NHL referee from
Pittsburgh and I'm sure it pops up. His name's Firman South.
He went to the Quaker Valley. I went to Mars.
(31:45):
He was a year or two older than me, but
he was a really good hockey player. He's now a
referee in the NHL, and somebody actually tracked it. He
calls more penalties on the Penguins than any other team
in the league because I think he doesn't want to
get the reputation, know if he grew up a Penguins fan,
so obviously he favors the Penguins when he he calls.
If you look at the thirty two teams in the NHL,
(32:06):
the highest percentage team that he calls penalties on is
the Pens. So somebody pointed it out and they're like, Furman,
you're going the wrong way with this.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Buddy, Come on exactly. But we know that that you
are a fan, you don't have to prove your displeasure
by penalizing.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
It's like two years older than me, So he's probably
thirty five, thirty six years old, something like that. He's
been a referee in the NHL now for the couple
a couple of years, and he calls a higher rate
of penalties on the Penguins than anybody else. And I
think it's because in the back of his mind he's
probably like, I don't want people accusing me of being
a homer towards my hometown team. Sure, so I understand
that from his viewpoint as well too.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Well, it's interesting because you look at it was like
a little reverse boomerang. Now you know he's boomerang and
the other way. That's kind of crazy. I don't know,
this whole thing is just up. You know, it's up
in the air. But certainly I got to believe that,
you know, well, with the advent of now, they never
used to do this, but now they've got the referee
(33:05):
statistical stuff, you know that tells you this group calls,
you know, a lot of pass interference. This group, you know,
the winning percentage of the team a home team either
goes up or down when this group is and it's
just I don't know, they're not much you can get
away with. That was I believe it was truly a
bad call. Josh made the line to gain. There was
(33:26):
no doubt about it. Now when you see the the
the ability to go from overhead view and you know,
take it all in. I wish they had have that
at game day because certainly that's something that could have been,
you know, really helpful to the Bills at that time,
because that's when they turned it over and that was
late in the game, so that that would have been unfortunate.
(33:48):
But you know, such as it is, all right, you
know what, why don't we we'll go let's go to
break now, because we get to get back to the
last ramp up here. The possession arrow goes there. You
got the bell lap coming up here in the locker room,
and we'll be back with more. You're listening to the
Steelers Audio Network.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
This is in the Locker Room, presented by Ford and
brought to you by acro Shure, the official insurance and
cybersecurity partner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, by bet MGM, Huntington Bank, PNC, PEPSI,
and by FedEx Where now meets next? Now here's Craig
Wolfley and Max Stark's.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Too hot to handle, too cold to hole the cover,
ghost buses and a bed, the control whatever. Sorry, I
had a moment there. I was had a song that
popped in my head. I had to get it out
so it no longer resides in there, rent Free. The
most important thing is wolf as we know as we
come to the end of the day, it is the
(35:15):
bell lap. That's right, early lunch warning system engaged for
steal a nation on a Thursday. And you know what
I want to ask you this question?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay, friend, we are We're in the.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
AFC North Division, right, one of the best divisions in
all the football, I would argue. And there is a
team that's west of us, past the capital of Ohio,
which is Columbus, into a city that kind of sits
down into a valley right on the Kentucky border, right
(35:53):
across from Covington, right, yeah, right across from Covington, Kentucky.
A great place to go and get allocated uh bourbon bottles,
by the way, And actually, funny enough, the Cincinnati Airport
is in covent in Kentucky. It's actually in Kentucky kind
of like Nebraska, you know, like Omaha's airport is actually
(36:16):
in Iowa. It's pretty funny. So yeah, so you have
these city airports that are right on like borders, uh
state state lines, and their airport, which is name, which
they have access to and rights to, is in a
different city. So very intro sante indeed. But as we
(36:36):
go to the land of what I like to call uh,
you know, spiced spiced sweet meat sauce because it is
not chili if you can put it on spaghetti, Cincinnati
has a has a wide receiver issue or or is it?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I don't know. This is interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Can they sign both wolf?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Is what I asked?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And they continue to keep the quote unquote the boys
in the band.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
You know, I gotta believe it's got to be difficult
for t Higgins to be pegged as in number two
with the numbers he can pull in. But you take
a look at Jamar Chase, right, Jamar he you know,
the Steelers and I'm sorry the Bengals and Jamar couldn't
come together.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
On a long term contract extension last year.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
Right, So he plays, he plays through it, and he
comes off with the best season. Ever, I mean he
led the league with a trifecta of one hundred and
twenty seven receptions, seventeen hundred and eight yards, seventeen tds.
And you know how many targets this guy got?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
How many?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
One hundred and seventy five. I mean, man, that's a
lot of targets. So now that leaves you with he
got T Higgins and can the Bengals afford to keep
both of them?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Now?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
In only twelve games? I think I think T only
played twelve games last year. Seventy three receptions, nine hundred
up and yards off of one hundred and nine targets. Man,
that is targetration to just the two of them. And
I just wonder, you know, kid number one does, does
T want to be you know, number two on the team,
(38:14):
and number two is, well they pay him as a
number one. You know, I don't know how you can, frankly,
how you can keep both those guys.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, I mean it's really tough. I mean, because there's
only one football on the field, right and you have
two elite level talents I think elite elite, Yeah, yeah,
And I think that's where I kind of have to say,
got to pick one. Got to pick one. You know what,
I'm saying, two dogs, one bone, because there's no way
(38:49):
to keep both of them satisfied. I mean, heck, just
look at you know what was going on in the
drama in Philadelphia, right with AJ Brown and Jalen Hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Sure, yeah, look.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
No further than that to understand if there can actually
be problems, Yes, there can, And I think that's where
because both of them were going for you know, new contracts.
They want to stay with their respective teams. But at
the end of the day, you know, only one can
stay because we just.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
How do you go on seventy targets, man, one hundred
and seventy five.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Man, that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
But you think about this. The run game was inconsistent,
so Joe Burrow had to throw a lot of those
in sure, you know he throwing a lot of short
intermediate routes as well, a lot of now screens, funnel screens, right,
you know, wide receiver s screens, So I mean, you
have that part of it. But at the end of
the day, I mean it's it's like he had that
many targets, that many yards, that many touchdowns and they
(39:52):
still had a losing record. Yea so apparently there's an
additional X factor or.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Well, they had a lot of problems. Defensively speaking, lou
Ana Romo is gone. He was on, yes, you know,
and uh, you know, I just look at these guys.
I just wonder if you know T Higgins, Hey, Tea,
you know, we're up here in Pittsburgh. You interested, uh
you know, uh, Steelers, are you interested maybe in going
(40:20):
after T Higgins? I mean, the guy is six four
two twenty he is. Back in my day, that was
a tight.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
End, you know.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I mean maybe maybe a few more pounded pounds, but
really it was basically a tight end. And here you
got this guy so big, and you think about the
problems that Corey Trice hadn't covering him, you know, and
uh yeah, and and Joey Porter had with you know,
Jamar Chase or whoever was there.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
There were those guys.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
These these two guys are really elite level athletes. Man.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Well, yeah, I mean the elite level athletes. I mean
there's a special skill set. But I think with that,
because of like you said, Wolf, special athletes, special skill set,
I think that lends itself to got to pick one.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, to me, how do you keep both of them,
you know, and.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
Who would you rather have? Would you rather rather have
George Pickens or T Higgins?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, I think that. I think that's the biggest question,
right because it's you know, it can be whoever. And
as long as you can hold your breath, you know
what I'm saying, you might have a shot. But I
kind of I kind of look at it and I
say production, you know, and target volume versus can you know,
(41:49):
you know, schedule and being able to I'm trying to
think of what the word is being able to distribute
efficiently is ultimately I'm trying to get to but there's
a word for it. I just can't remember. It's just
my tongue.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
The point is, you know, would there be an opportunity
to maybe land at T. Higgins that that would be
really interesting. I can't I can't see the Bengals doing
that or somehow, you know, to let him go into
Pittsburgh here, But he would be he would be a guy.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
That would a great addition. But he would be a
number one guy too.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah. No, he he automatically will walk into the number
one role wherever he goes. Thirty one other well, I
should say twenty six other ball clubs he would be
the number one, because I think if he went to Minnesota,
he'd be a number two, if not three, for like
a Minnesota Detroit, he'd probably number two opposite a'm gonas
Saint Brown. So there are some teams where he would
(42:48):
come in and walk into his number two. But there's
plenty of teams, more than enough teams that would walk
in and place him as wide receiver one. I mean,
let's think about New York. The Jets would probably welcome that,
even though you have a gear Wilson. The Patriots would
accept that because they ain't got nobody, but you know
a bunch of green Toy soldiers that they line up
(43:08):
out there and they don't move. You know, the Saints
would welcome that. H Jacksonville is okay because you know
they had they took Brian Thomas junior. The Giants would
be okay. They took elite neighbors. So there's there's there's
a couple of teams that wouldn't, but there's way more
that would, way more than would. You're telling me Baltimore
(43:32):
wouldn't take Tea Higgins as as a number one receiver
right now, as absolutely like you said, we already know Pittsburgh,
I mean Cleveland would take because remember they traded a
Marik Cooper away, so you know they have a need
for number one. So there's a lot of teams that
would that would be in that running, and that would
probably price the Steelers out. As my best gat, Yes, no,
(43:57):
it's a fantastical idea, Wolf, I'm not even gonna not
even to fight it. That that would be fantastic to
be able to add that along with the George Picketts.
Now you've got what Cincinnati had, two skyscraper tall, wide
receivers who are super athletic and can take over a
game by themselves.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Do you think George will be able to handle it?
Uh no, But he'd have to get over it. Yeah, right,
I mean because at the end of the day, what
what what?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
What's job? One?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Job?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
And listen and and that's where you hope business is
a booming. Heard that before, Yes, we had, we had,
we had, we have heard that before. And it's probably
the only positive note I'll take away from that. But
with that, Wolf, I believe this is the end of
the show. I believe, my friend, until we get Missy tomorrow.
(44:53):
On the Friday edition, of the locker room.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
And don't forget Drel Gilliam, a director of Light of Life.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Missus right, Dreau Gilliam as well, director of Light of
Life Ministries will be coming on as well. So we
got a fun action pack Friday, and we'll also be
taking your calls towards the end of the show as well,
so make sure you tune in and show up and
show out for us steal a nation. I'll give you
the phone number ahead of time so you can dial
it in and save it into your your directory. The
(45:22):
number is four one two nine one six to reach
the locker room, which we'll open those up tomorrow for you.
We'll let you know in advance. But we have two
fantastic guests. Of course our very own Missy Matthews and
of course Terreu Gilliam, uh, director of the Light of
Lights Ministry.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Do you ever hear Armann Gilliam gat NBA m Arma
armand armand that's his brother.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Oh really, okay, there we go there. I thought you
were gonna say Joe Gilliam for the Steelers. Yeah, but yeah, no,
so awesome. So yeah, we have a lot of fun,
lot of fun. Uh. He's Rick he's Greig. We'll I'm
Max starkses. Huh.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
It sounded like you said, I'm wreck. He's wreck.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
No, No, you're he's Craig Wolfley.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Oh, thank you, I thought you.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, he is you and you as him. He is
you and you as him?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Who am I getting? I'm Max Stark's Uh, WeSC Euler?
Are the ones and two's? Who else do we got? Uh?
And by the way, ones and two's are like the
two turntables and a microphone. Anyways, sensational there it is.
Thank thank you, Myron, and then of course CJ and
since La Martina background check Brian Lo Martina and of
course the great CJ. Wolfy to be more direct. Uh
(46:43):
for that this has been a show. Tune in tomorrow,
same BAT channel, saying Bat Time new guests, of course
on a Friday, and we'll be back with more tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
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