November 15, 2023 • 30 mins
Ever wonder why your adorable puppy loves stuffing everything in their mouth? Is this harmless curiosity, or a sign of a deeper issue? We are John and Jaime, and today, we're here to shed some light on this and other intriguing canine behavior.
Let's tackle that chewing habit head-on, exploring potential triggers and optimum solutions. We'll also discuss how your role as a pet parent can influence such behavior patterns. Moving on, we'll dissect guarding behaviors, especially prevalent in shelter puppies. By understanding these behaviors, we can navigate effective ways to manage them. And of course, we cannot forget the quintessential crate training - your secret weapon towards nurturing a well-behaved pup.
But our conversation isn't limited to your pup's habits. As proud pet owners, you bear the responsibility of creating a nurturing environment that caters to your pup's unique needs. From providing the right kind of attention and stimulation, to understanding their individual preferences, anticipate a rewarding journey of bonding and growth. With a sprinkle of our personal experiences and a dash of expert advice, this episode promises valuable insights for every puppy parent. So buckle up and join us in this enlightening quest to better understand your furry friend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody welcome to a podcast for dog people.
I'm John and I'm Jamie and weare your personal dog experts.
We're here to help you betterunderstand your dogs in the wide
spectrum of behaviors theyexhibit, so join us on this
journey to learn everything, dogEverybody.
Welcome back to the podcast fordog people.
This is part two of a two-partseries on puppies, and we had
(00:23):
previously just talked aboutLeash walking how to properly
set your puppy up for success onlearning how to walk on a leash
and not pull.
So if you didn't listen to thatone, go back one and we talked
about nipping Basically mouthingand nipping and all the major
issues that arise from that.
So Go listen to part one.
If you've already listened topart one, welcome to part two.
(00:44):
We're gonna be discussingprimarily putting things in
their mouth yes, also known asthe ultimate way to discover the
new world around you.
Look at our toddlers.
They do it all time.
How many times do you see atoddler Chewing on things
they're not supposed to bechewing on iPhone cables.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
All that time during the day I say Joey, out of your
mouth.
Yeah, yeah and he's 18 months,so 18 months.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So the same humans do the same thing that puppies do
they're exploring their world,they're getting to understand
and and problem-solve, andexplore.
And well, you know, if I dothis, what happens?
Yeah and that's what puppies in.
Most of the problem puppybehavior is is.
If I do this, let's see whathappens.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, so the reason why this stem.
We had a, an Instagram followerask us 13 month old King
Charles Spaniel how do I get himto stop putting everything in
his mouth?
Okay, so this is a greatquestion.
Now, there's so many differentreasons why this could be
happening, so I'm gonna give allof them.
(01:47):
So he's 13 months, right, whichtells me he's out of that big
puppy phase.
And he's over a year old, right.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He's not really, essentially, a baby anymore,
even though I still call a puppyright, he's more in that
teenager phase right where he'sgonna be immature, but he's
grown.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He thinks he's grown.
That's the problem, right.
So now they have at this ageusually it's around eight months
To 18 months that they aredefinitely in this like teenager
.
I Still need you, but I don'twant to act like I do phase and
they're exploring and they'rekind of like sowing their roads
type of thing and just doingtheir own thing.
(02:25):
This is when we see this, if ithas been a problem since the
beginning.
So this is what this tells me isas a 13 month old, it could be
two things or both.
He could have just like areally big oral fixation,
needing something in his mouth24, 7, very common, but Also
(02:46):
probably not getting enoughmental stimulation.
Right, if he is a dog thatlikes to put things in his mouth
, that's gonna really kind ofset you up to be doing those
enrichment frozen Activities,right.
You can do a frozen marabon,you can do a frozen pupsicle,
you can do a bully stick on abully stick holder, yak bones,
(03:06):
anything that's gonna allow himto sink his teeth into something
and kind of like chill out, youknow, release that serotonin
and get real happy and justrelax, right.
I for this type of dog that hasan oral fixation, I do not
suggest puzzle toys.
He's just gonna destroy it,yeah, and you're gonna lose all
the and you're gonna have to sitthere and put the treats in.
Then you're gonna lose all thepieces to it, like this is not a
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time for a nyla bone, that'snot gonna do it right.
The edible plastic.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Nutritional value.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
No, he's, you know, when it comes to picking other
things up, you to a nylon likethe nylon's not gonna trump
those other things, and this iswhy the second part.
The second part is, when hepicks up X, y, z that he's not
supposed to, you immediatelyrespond and it's usually
probably not in a good way right, like no, put that down, drop
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it.
You may even be trading.
Really, what this comes down tois like we are like skating on
territory that can lead intoguarding, which I always tell
people.
You have an older dog who'sconstantly, constantly taking
things, that is looking for thatnegative attention.
They are going down that path.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, it's a precursor, for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That means that they're insecure, right, they're
not getting their needs met.
They're insecure, maybe you'renot giving them enough physical
attention, right, you know eyecontact or engagement.
So they're like, ooh, let mepick up this remote or this
toilet paper or let me jump onthe counter.
It's like all these negativeattention-seeking behaviors are
for a specific reason.
(04:36):
A lot of people say, oh, mydog's really annoying, they're
just constantly getting introuble.
Well, why, right?
Why are they getting intotrouble?
Where are we at with theirmeeting, getting their needs met
, right?
So if you are not meeting yourdog's needs, how do they want
them to be met?
Not how, you think, because youcould be spoiling your dog in
all the ways that you know how.
But if you're not doing whatthey actually need, then we're
(04:56):
falling short Again.
It's not your fault, you justdon't know any better.
So come talk to us if that'sthe case.
But if they are not gettingthat attention, they have
learned through these acts thatthey will eventually get some
sort of attention, right, justlike kids.
Any attention is good attention, even if it's negative.
So if I pick up this remote,you're gonna yell at me, but you
(05:17):
put your phone down, you gotaway from the TV.
So I got you right.
So I'm gonna continue doingthis.
I think everyone's having fun,right, a lot of our times.
A lot of the times dogs thinkthat everyone's enjoying these
things, like if it's areoccurring situation of, oh,
every night we sit down to watchTV, I grab the remote, you
chase me around like this iswhat we do, right, but a reality
(05:38):
, as the human you're like, Ifreaking hate this.
So we have to figure out how tobreak these certain things
right.
So you have to.
I call it puppy proof to apoint.
I'm not telling you tocompletely puppy prove your
house, because it's unrealisticand our dogs do need to get used
to these things being there.
Okay, but this is the time toremove all food and all
(05:58):
dangerous objects.
Okay, like kitchen towel is nota big deal, a roll of toilet
paper is not a big deal,something that like paper
tissues, things that they caneat.
If you have a dog who has thefixation of actually eating the
object, you wanna make itsomething that's gonna come out
the other end, right, and not bea huge deal.
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And if they grab these things,let's say it's the remote, right
, most of the time dogs will not.
If you are there, sit down andeat the remote, okay.
They're just looking for theattention of like come chase me,
right, or come trade food withme and I'll give you the remote.
You wanna avoid the trade?
Okay.
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The only time that we're reallyusing food to get an object out
of a dog's mouth is if it'sdangerous, okay, or they're at
risk of swallowing it.
If you have a dog who reallydoes like the second, they think
that they're threatened withthis object and they're
swallowing it.
Honestly, this is really theepisode for you.
Because you wanna avoid this islike this is dangerous
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territory.
Those are the only times you'regonna be like essentially
trading, but you're not actuallygonna say give me this for this
and I'll explain that in a fewminutes.
So let's say they take theremote and you're watching TV,
right, I want you to ignore them.
I don't want you to immediatelyrespond.
I don't want you to yell.
I don't want you to flinch.
I don't want you to stare atthem.
I don't want you to chase them,nothing.
(07:20):
I want you to ignore it and Iwant them to think that you
didn't even see them.
Okay, they will most likely.
Most likely I'm saying all thetime most likely they will come
back over to you and say hey,don't you see this remote?
I took it, don't you wanna?
chase me right and you're stillgoing to ignore it.
Okay, I would say 75% of dogswill eventually drop that remote
(07:45):
and go find something else todo and again they're looking for
more negative attention becausewe haven't yet met the need
right.
Dogs only act out when we arenot meeting their needs.
So in reality we have to say,okay, in the back of our minds
we saw you take the remote, youclearly need something.
What am I gonna do?
Right now you can even down to apoint where, oh, let's go for a
(08:06):
walk real quick.
So you're not acknowledging theremote.
Maybe 30 seconds to 60 secondslater you're like you go to the
bathroom, maybe you switch upthe scenery, you just get out of
that room and they may followyou most of the time they do and
you're gonna go to the bathroomreal quick or go wash your
hands or do something normal.
That happens regardless of themhaving the remote.
And then you pick up theharness like come on, let's go
for a walk, or you just let's gooutside, do pee-pee Something
(08:28):
super common.
Most of the time they're gonnadrop that remote because really
in reality they were justlooking for your attention.
So we are now kind of likeagain bypassing this whole
situation, right, like it's kindof like back to children.
Children grab something they'renot supposed to have and you
don't wanna bring attention toit.
You try to distract, right, andyou try to diffuse the
(08:48):
situation without bringing a tonof attention to that specific
object.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Look, Bundtcake.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes.
So grabbing that specificobject gets them X, y, z.
Either it's gonna get them awhole hoopla and a trade or a
running around and gettingyelled at, or it's gonna get
them nothing right, because inreality the remote is not
valuable to a dog.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The only thing that it's only valuable to you when
you and your puppy conspire tocreate value of the remote.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So this goes for all objects right, like toilet paper
, not nutritionally based, notvaluable.
The only thing that makes itvaluable is our reaction.
This goes for jumping on thecounters as well.
If you pushed back all the foodand there's nothing up there
for them to physically get,ignore the behavior.
They will get down becausethere's nothing physical for
them to grab and there's nothingemotional for them to gain from
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you because you're ignoring it.
They will stop doing thebehavior when it does not bring
value right.
This goes for absolutelyeverything.
If they're doing somethingspecific and you are reacting in
a way, they are going tocontinue, just like when you
bring out a treat.
They sit, they get the treat.
They continue to continuouslysit because it gives them
something right.
It goes both ways negative andpositive.
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These are all conditionedthings that we do.
Unfortunately, we don't evenrealize that we're doing it
right.
So if you're demand, barkingyour dog's demand barking at you
.
It's the same thing, right?
If you don't give attention toyou've met all the needs, right,
all their needs are met andthey're still demand barking you
.
That's anxiety.
They think that they need yourattention 24, seven, which is
not healthy.
Cut the end vocal cord, ignorefor a little bit, just let them
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be.
They have to understand.
They can calm down on their own.
But if you haven't met theneeds first, then we can't
ignore, right.
And then again, going back tothe remote, right, you're like,
oh, let's go to pee-pees, let'sgo do this.
Whatever they dropped theremote.
You go outside with your dog,or maybe just let the dog
outside.
Once the dog is out of thesituation, you go pick up the
remote.
You put it somewhere safe.
You do not let the dog see.
You take the object.
(10:41):
You again do not wannareinforce that.
This thing is valuable to you.
Okay, once that is done, thedog comes back inside.
Get the dog something to do,whether it's you engage in play,
because you realize that theyneeded attention from you.
Maybe you haven't given yourdog attention that day, maybe
you worked all day and you justgot home and you wanted to
decompress immediately.
But I'm sorry.
You have a dog and this isunfortunately something you
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gotta do.
10 minutes tops right, playwith your dog for a little bit,
or give enrichment.
If you really, emotionally, donot have anything in the tank,
give them enrichment, right,frozen bones, frozen congs,
pupsicle, whatever it is right,have something ready so it's not
something that you have tothink about constantly.
Okay, so they need something.
So you are now giving thattreat, whether it's engagement
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from you or something valuablethat they can work on and
stimulate, they're getting thething that they needed without
it being connected to thenegative behavior.
That's the kicker.
A lot of people are like oh, Iforgot to give my dog enrichment
before I sat down to watch TV.
Now they're doing the thingthey always do, right, and you
usually been better about it.
(11:44):
But you forgot one night andthey went right back to the
behavior.
Right, that's fine, we forget,we're imperfect, right, that's
okay.
Switch up the scenery, get themout, so it's not connected.
We can't say ooh, you have theremote, let me go get you a cong
or a frozen bone.
And now they're like well, I'mjust gonna take the remote every
single time I want somethingright it's gotta be disconnected
.
(12:05):
It cannot flow together.
There has to be something inbetween.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You can't let them figure out that the remote has
some type of innate value to you.
That's the last thing you wannado.
It's the same with any object,like socks and shoes.
You don't wanna apply a valueto that.
And that kind of leads me intothe number.
One thing you can do to stopall of this is set the stage for
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success for your dog.
Look at your antecedents.
Your dog chewed up your shoes.
Well, your shoes weren't awayin the closet where they
normally are.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Who's fault is it you left them out?
Who's fault is?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
it the garbage, the garbage wasn't locked or put
away.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh my God, my parents , my parents they will bring the
.
If it's almost full, who is it?
My dad or my mom?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It's the both of them , but your mom will say that it
was your dad.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
She'll bring the garbage out of the garbage pail
that goes into the cabinet andleave it there.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
On the floor so that you could put a little more
garbage in before you have todrag it out.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then they're like Sage why are you getting in the
garbage?
I'm like she's a year old andyou left a holy grail on the
floor.
Why is she getting yelled at?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
We set her up to fail , and then the yelling just
confuses her.
She doesn't understand whyshe's getting yelled at, or
she's like this is great, I'mgetting attention now.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So why not continue doing that?
So reality, how we physicallyact, and that's why I always
come back to I hate the factthat it's called dog training,
because it's really not.
It's really human training ofhow to have a dog.
That's what it comes down to.
These things is.
It's just how we function on adaily basis and our dogs tend to
learn what works for me.
That's it.
(13:41):
How do I get the most resourcesat a given moment?
Right, and you are the one thatfacilitates all of it as a
parent.
That's what it comes down to.
If you want your dog to actdifferently, you need to change
your behavior first.
This goes for everythingeverything across the board.
A lot of people wanna blame onthe dog.
Dog didn't ask to be here.
They are literally products oftheir environment.
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So we have to look at reallythat's why I always tell people
on Instagram too how do I fixthis?
I need all the informationfirst, because I'm not gonna
give you advice that doesn'tactually pertain to your
situation.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
No cookie cutter.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, we don't do cookie cutter advice here.
We'll give you options of whatcould possibly be going on, but
it really is up to you to figurethat out.
You have to play detective andsay, okay, am I not giving my
dog, your aunt, right, like wejust were at my father-in-law's
birthday party and we weretalking about it, and she was
talking about how her puppyshe's a little bit old, she's
probably around 13 months nowkeeps peeing in the same spot in
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the house.
Right, she knows how to gooutside or whatever.
And I'm like all right, when isit happening?
Well, she's like oh, ithappened this morning when I was
wrapping the kids' gifts that Ibrought today, and I'm like has
anything changed?
Have you not been giving herenough to say oh, you know what?
I've been really busy the lastthree weeks and I have not been
giving her attention, but nowshe's older, right, she's over a
year.
so the expectation of just beright, I shouldn't need to be
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putting any more work into youcomes over us and we forget what
they need and they kind of fallto the back burner.
So I was telling her.
I was like it sounds likeanxious behavior to me.
She's like, oh, but she's notanxious.
I'm like, no, but you notpaying attention to her makes
her anxious and that's herbody's way of responding to it.
And then you give her attentionfor peeing, so you're
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reinforcing that behavior.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It got you away from the presence right and it got
you to interact with her.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, so we are the reason why our dogs do what they
do.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Period.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yep, and it's okay, like, it's okay to be like.
Oh crap, like, like, if this isyou, if I'm explaining you
right now, don't beat yourselfup, because that doesn't do
anything for anybody Just say,okay, what am I going to do,
moving forward to fix this?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
How can I set the stage for success?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yes, it's actually quite simple.
It's not hard once you get downto it and it's really just like
John said, like setting thestage, but also preparing
yourself, preparing yourenrichment, creating a schedule
for yourself.
Maybe when you get home, you dospend 10 minutes with your dog
before you do something else.
Right, Just 10 minutes.
What's 10 minutes?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
To them A long time.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's everything, but to us it's 10 minutes is really
nothing, right?
So try and set yourself up forsuccess, and that will allow
your dog to kind of meet youhalfway.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, Last part one of this podcast series I talked
about doing starting doing thecrate training on Instagram and
doing the part one cratetraining video.
So if you go to over to ourInstagram this week, we'll have
part two of that crate trainingvideo of, like, how to take it
to the next step.
So we got Clarence, who'sformerly he formerly he's got
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some bad experiences with thecrate and he's destroyed crates,
he's broken his way out.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
He's clearly been loved.
To our knowledge, he had he hada parent who passed away and I
think he was in the house whenthe parent passed away, which I
think was super traumatic forhim.
He's seven and a half already,so he was loved.
You can tell he's been loved Forsure, but very like he's timid
to start.
Once he knows you he likecompletely warms up.
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But you can tell there'sabandonment issues there, like
when we go to leave he wants togo back outside for a walk
because he doesn't want anybodyto go Right, so I'll have one
more walk.
Yeah, he's like but I have to goto the bathroom.
No, you don't, you just pee andpooped.
I know you did.
So he definitely has that likedon't leave me mentality.
So the crate, the crate whatJohn is explaining is a couple
of crates.
I think in foster at least hehas broken through and we're not
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exactly sure of what it was Hislife was like prior.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Right.
So we're kind of flying blind,but we're just focusing on
changing his association withthe crate to try and make it
like this is the place where Iget treats and it was working I
mean when I was in there and youwere in there with him the next
day no, it was that night.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
He walked in at night .
It was that night.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It was amazing he walked in the open crate and
looked at Jamie through thecrate.
Like you can give me treats.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But we weren't even training.
I just happened to walk next toit because I was picking up a
toy and he walked.
He didn't want to play.
He looked at me, sat there, andhe was like, okay, I'm ready
and we did a little.
I honestly I was like all right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Might as well.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And he loved it.
I was telling him in and out,in and out and he was trying to
figure it out.
It was so cute.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, so if you want more of the puppy stuff, that
the remainder of this week isgoing to be puppy related as
well, so we're getting some morepuppy content up.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, I wanted to go over one more thing about what
we were just discussing.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, if I can, fly back real quick, you can segue.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Real quick.
We're going to talk about moreof this in weeks to come.
You know like we're doing ourweeks on specific topics.
We're going to talk more aboutguarding, but in terms of puppy,
to avoid guarding in reality islike you really can't be
trading and you really can't begrabbing things out of your
dog's mouth consistently.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, Trading is a short-term management solution.
It is.
It can be extremely problematicif you have a very intelligent
dog.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So if your dog is smart and and this is like I
always tell people, all dogs aresmart in a way but if your dog
is extremely intelligent, hyper,focused, constantly watching
your every move isn't a happydummy, isn't just kind of like
like flying through life,everything is great.
If your dog is more justchronically all over the place
and watching everything, this isthe dog that you want to watch,
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for If they're not gettingtheir needs met, they're going
to re, they're going to reallylead into to guarding if they
feel insecure enough.
So if your dog takes a specificitem, you chase them around and
now they're underneath thetable, they're behind the couch,
they're on, they're somewherewhere they can confine
themselves.
They're trying to hide.
Now they're going to easilyswitch into guard mode.
That's like where they'reseeing red.
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Now it's not a game anymore.
Now they're like if you reachfor this, I'm going to bite you.
They're growling, they're givingyou whale eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
They don't even remember the game that they were
playing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
They didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
They set the, they put them in that all they
remember is this thing has valuenow.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Because you're reaching for it, right?
So even like the remote.
At the end of the day you canbuy a new remote.
They're not that expensive,right?
But to them you're reaching forit and it's causing all this
hoopla.
Now you're saying this remoteis like high tier, right?
So now they don't want to giveit up, even though really they
don't have any value in it.
Then again they go into likethat red zone mode where their
eyes get really wide and you seethe whale eyes and they're like
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yeah, try me, reach for it.
I dare you right, this isreally what you want to avoid.
You need to back it off duringthese situations, because all
you're doing is actuallyprovoking it and we think, oh,
my dog needs to respect me, theycan't treat me like this.
But in reality we are againputting them in this situation
and this is something that youreally should get training on.
(20:37):
You really you need behavioraltraining because this is not
something they grow out of.
I honestly want to do a seriesof things your puppy will not
grow out of, because a lot ofpeople think I think it's just a
phase.
It's not.
That's intense insecurity ifyour dog is guarding, by any
means, any means food at anearly age.
It's like I had another personwho just said oh, 13 week old
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puppy guarding food from anotherdog in the house.
You need to attack that as soonas possible.
You need to let that puppy knowthat there is so much food and
they will never get reprimandedfor for communicating.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, there is a time where resource guarding could
be a phase, and that's almostexclusively in a shelter setting
.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Where it's a totally unnatural environment, they're
confined.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They don't know Quotas all levels or through the
roof?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yes, they don't know all these dogs.
They don't know when their nextmeal's coming.
They haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
They don't think they're safe.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's something in the 90, something percent, like the
high 90% of the amount of dogswho have resource guarding in a
shelter environment and go homeand never show it another day in
their life.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yep, but if your dog is in your home, consistently
loved, you know some of theirresources are being met, but
they don't feel like they'regetting all of them.
They, a lot of them, willresort to guarding to get more
attention, to get more things toyou know, whatever it is.
So if that's something thatyou're experiencing like, do not
reach for that item.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Do not.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're literally setting them up to fail because
they are going to bite youeventually.
They may not in the beginning,but they will eventually.
And the more we do it, the morethey are saying I do need to
guard this item.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right, we are.
We are reinforcing that thisitem has value and I don't want
you to have it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And a lot of times.
If our dogs are doing this andwe actually get the item away
from them, we punish them afterthey gave it up.
But now we're now we'repunishing, we do the same thing
with uh.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
when we tell them to come inside with a recall, you
say come, and they're notlistening and you're like come,
get inside.
They finally come inside andthey get scolded.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yep, and they're like well, why did I do this?
Yeah, they're just going tostay outside next time.
Less likely to come inside nexttime, unfortunately, that's
going to be um weeks down theroad of us really getting and
digging into guarding more often.
But um, yeah, that's you wantto.
You want to try to avoid thatat all costs.
The more you reach, even in theearly stages, maybe they're not
giving you a whale eye and agrowling, but you do not want to
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consistently take things out oftheir mouths especially on
walks.
Lots of puppies like to pick upgarbage.
Most of the time they're goingto drop it.
Just let them drop it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Let them do it on their own.
Didn't have a dog that had tobe walked on a muzzle.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yes, because she was insane because the parents yeah,
but but the parents weren't,they were just constantly taking
things out of her mouth 24seven.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So she was like I need to pick this up to get
attention Right.
So it becomes reinforcedregardless of its negative or
positive.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think, I think it's basketball makes a scavenger
muzzle.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It's a.
It's like a slightly modifiedbasketball that doesn't allow
them to pick things, like theycan still drink water, but they
can't pick things off the floor.
Okay, so something to look intoif you have that problem.
All right, I think you coveredthat.
Is there anything else you'dlike to talk about in part two
of your puppy podcast series?
No, no.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I think that's it.
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It's like a mini course.
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It's a mini course and basically you take it and
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dog is muzzle trained, sosomething to keep an eye out for
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Anything else you'd like to?
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add.
No, I think we covered a lot ofreally good information.
I hope that helps a lot ofpuppies out there and puppy
parents cause.
Yes, it's a hard time.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's a hard time.
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Everyone's like I want a puppy.
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And make sure you go over to our Instagram at Paulson
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He's seven and a half years old.
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You could just look at him.
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You just know.
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There's so much more going on there than meets the
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And now he's been in rescue for over a year.
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Yeah, so let's get this boy home for the holidays.
He deserves it, he does.
All right, that's all we havefor this week.
Talk to you next week.
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Welcome back to the podcast fordog people.
This is part two of a two-partseries on puppies, and we had
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previously just talked aboutLeash walking how to properly
set your puppy up for success onlearning how to walk on a leash
and not pull.
So if you didn't listen to thatone, go back one and we talked
about nipping Basically mouthingand nipping and all the major
issues that arise from that.
So Go listen to part one.
If you've already listened topart one, welcome to part two.
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We're gonna be discussingprimarily putting things in
their mouth yes, also known asthe ultimate way to discover the
new world around you.
Look at our toddlers.
They do it all time.
How many times do you see atoddler Chewing on things
they're not supposed to bechewing on iPhone cables.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
All that time during the day I say Joey, out of your
mouth.
Yeah, yeah and he's 18 months,so 18 months.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So the same humans do the same thing that puppies do
they're exploring their world,they're getting to understand
and and problem-solve, andexplore.
And well, you know, if I dothis, what happens?
Yeah and that's what puppies in.
Most of the problem puppybehavior is is.
If I do this, let's see whathappens.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, so the reason why this stem.
We had a, an Instagram followerask us 13 month old King
Charles Spaniel how do I get himto stop putting everything in
his mouth?
Okay, so this is a greatquestion.
Now, there's so many differentreasons why this could be
happening, so I'm gonna give allof them.
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So he's 13 months, right, whichtells me he's out of that big
puppy phase.
And he's over a year old, right.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He's not really, essentially, a baby anymore,
even though I still call a puppyright, he's more in that
teenager phase right where he'sgonna be immature, but he's
grown.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He thinks he's grown.
That's the problem, right.
So now they have at this ageusually it's around eight months
To 18 months that they aredefinitely in this like teenager
.
I Still need you, but I don'twant to act like I do phase and
they're exploring and they'rekind of like sowing their roads
type of thing and just doingtheir own thing.
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This is when we see this, if ithas been a problem since the
beginning.
So this is what this tells me isas a 13 month old, it could be
two things or both.
He could have just like areally big oral fixation,
needing something in his mouth24, 7, very common, but Also
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probably not getting enoughmental stimulation.
Right, if he is a dog thatlikes to put things in his mouth
, that's gonna really kind ofset you up to be doing those
enrichment frozen Activities,right.
You can do a frozen marabon,you can do a frozen pupsicle,
you can do a bully stick on abully stick holder, yak bones,
(03:06):
anything that's gonna allow himto sink his teeth into something
and kind of like chill out, youknow, release that serotonin
and get real happy and justrelax, right.
I for this type of dog that hasan oral fixation, I do not
suggest puzzle toys.
He's just gonna destroy it,yeah, and you're gonna lose all
the and you're gonna have to sitthere and put the treats in.
Then you're gonna lose all thepieces to it, like this is not a
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time for a nyla bone, that'snot gonna do it right.
The edible plastic.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Nutritional value.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
No, he's, you know, when it comes to picking other
things up, you to a nylon likethe nylon's not gonna trump
those other things, and this iswhy the second part.
The second part is, when hepicks up X, y, z that he's not
supposed to, you immediatelyrespond and it's usually
probably not in a good way right, like no, put that down, drop
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it.
You may even be trading.
Really, what this comes down tois like we are like skating on
territory that can lead intoguarding, which I always tell
people.
You have an older dog who'sconstantly, constantly taking
things, that is looking for thatnegative attention.
They are going down that path.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, it's a precursor, for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That means that they're insecure, right, they're
not getting their needs met.
They're insecure, maybe you'renot giving them enough physical
attention, right, you know eyecontact or engagement.
So they're like, ooh, let mepick up this remote or this
toilet paper or let me jump onthe counter.
It's like all these negativeattention-seeking behaviors are
for a specific reason.
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A lot of people say, oh, mydog's really annoying, they're
just constantly getting introuble.
Well, why, right?
Why are they getting intotrouble?
Where are we at with theirmeeting, getting their needs met
, right?
So if you are not meeting yourdog's needs, how do they want
them to be met?
Not how, you think, because youcould be spoiling your dog in
all the ways that you know how.
But if you're not doing whatthey actually need, then we're
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falling short Again.
It's not your fault, you justdon't know any better.
So come talk to us if that'sthe case.
But if they are not gettingthat attention, they have
learned through these acts thatthey will eventually get some
sort of attention, right, justlike kids.
Any attention is good attention, even if it's negative.
So if I pick up this remote,you're gonna yell at me, but you
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put your phone down, you gotaway from the TV.
So I got you right.
So I'm gonna continue doingthis.
I think everyone's having fun,right, a lot of our times.
A lot of the times dogs thinkthat everyone's enjoying these
things, like if it's areoccurring situation of, oh,
every night we sit down to watchTV, I grab the remote, you
chase me around like this iswhat we do, right, but a reality
(05:38):
, as the human you're like, Ifreaking hate this.
So we have to figure out how tobreak these certain things
right.
So you have to.
I call it puppy proof to apoint.
I'm not telling you tocompletely puppy prove your
house, because it's unrealisticand our dogs do need to get used
to these things being there.
Okay, but this is the time toremove all food and all
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dangerous objects.
Okay, like kitchen towel is nota big deal, a roll of toilet
paper is not a big deal,something that like paper
tissues, things that they caneat.
If you have a dog who has thefixation of actually eating the
object, you wanna make itsomething that's gonna come out
the other end, right, and not bea huge deal.
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And if they grab these things,let's say it's the remote, right
, most of the time dogs will not.
If you are there, sit down andeat the remote, okay.
They're just looking for theattention of like come chase me,
right, or come trade food withme and I'll give you the remote.
You wanna avoid the trade?
Okay.
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The only time that we're reallyusing food to get an object out
of a dog's mouth is if it'sdangerous, okay, or they're at
risk of swallowing it.
If you have a dog who reallydoes like the second, they think
that they're threatened withthis object and they're
swallowing it.
Honestly, this is really theepisode for you.
Because you wanna avoid this islike this is dangerous
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territory.
Those are the only times you'regonna be like essentially
trading, but you're not actuallygonna say give me this for this
and I'll explain that in a fewminutes.
So let's say they take theremote and you're watching TV,
right, I want you to ignore them.
I don't want you to immediatelyrespond.
I don't want you to yell.
I don't want you to flinch.
I don't want you to stare atthem.
I don't want you to chase them,nothing.
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I want you to ignore it and Iwant them to think that you
didn't even see them.
Okay, they will most likely.
Most likely I'm saying all thetime most likely they will come
back over to you and say hey,don't you see this remote?
I took it, don't you wanna?
chase me right and you're stillgoing to ignore it.
Okay, I would say 75% of dogswill eventually drop that remote
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and go find something else todo and again they're looking for
more negative attention becausewe haven't yet met the need
right.
Dogs only act out when we arenot meeting their needs.
So in reality we have to say,okay, in the back of our minds
we saw you take the remote, youclearly need something.
What am I gonna do?
Right now you can even down to apoint where, oh, let's go for a
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walk real quick.
So you're not acknowledging theremote.
Maybe 30 seconds to 60 secondslater you're like you go to the
bathroom, maybe you switch upthe scenery, you just get out of
that room and they may followyou most of the time they do and
you're gonna go to the bathroomreal quick or go wash your
hands or do something normal.
That happens regardless of themhaving the remote.
And then you pick up theharness like come on, let's go
for a walk, or you just let's gooutside, do pee-pee Something
(08:28):
super common.
Most of the time they're gonnadrop that remote because really
in reality they were justlooking for your attention.
So we are now kind of likeagain bypassing this whole
situation, right, like it's kindof like back to children.
Children grab something they'renot supposed to have and you
don't wanna bring attention toit.
You try to distract, right, andyou try to diffuse the
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situation without bringing a tonof attention to that specific
object.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Look, Bundtcake.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes.
So grabbing that specificobject gets them X, y, z.
Either it's gonna get them awhole hoopla and a trade or a
running around and gettingyelled at, or it's gonna get
them nothing right, because inreality the remote is not
valuable to a dog.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The only thing that it's only valuable to you when
you and your puppy conspire tocreate value of the remote.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So this goes for all objects right, like toilet paper
, not nutritionally based, notvaluable.
The only thing that makes itvaluable is our reaction.
This goes for jumping on thecounters as well.
If you pushed back all the foodand there's nothing up there
for them to physically get,ignore the behavior.
They will get down becausethere's nothing physical for
them to grab and there's nothingemotional for them to gain from
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you because you're ignoring it.
They will stop doing thebehavior when it does not bring
value right.
This goes for absolutelyeverything.
If they're doing somethingspecific and you are reacting in
a way, they are going tocontinue, just like when you
bring out a treat.
They sit, they get the treat.
They continue to continuouslysit because it gives them
something right.
It goes both ways negative andpositive.
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These are all conditionedthings that we do.
Unfortunately, we don't evenrealize that we're doing it
right.
So if you're demand, barkingyour dog's demand barking at you
.
It's the same thing, right?
If you don't give attention toyou've met all the needs, right,
all their needs are met andthey're still demand barking you
.
That's anxiety.
They think that they need yourattention 24, seven, which is
not healthy.
Cut the end vocal cord, ignorefor a little bit, just let them
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be.
They have to understand.
They can calm down on their own.
But if you haven't met theneeds first, then we can't
ignore, right.
And then again, going back tothe remote, right, you're like,
oh, let's go to pee-pees, let'sgo do this.
Whatever they dropped theremote.
You go outside with your dog,or maybe just let the dog
outside.
Once the dog is out of thesituation, you go pick up the
remote.
You put it somewhere safe.
You do not let the dog see.
You take the object.
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You again do not wannareinforce that.
This thing is valuable to you.
Okay, once that is done, thedog comes back inside.
Get the dog something to do,whether it's you engage in play,
because you realize that theyneeded attention from you.
Maybe you haven't given yourdog attention that day, maybe
you worked all day and you justgot home and you wanted to
decompress immediately.
But I'm sorry.
You have a dog and this isunfortunately something you
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gotta do.
10 minutes tops right, playwith your dog for a little bit,
or give enrichment.
If you really, emotionally, donot have anything in the tank,
give them enrichment, right,frozen bones, frozen congs,
pupsicle, whatever it is right,have something ready so it's not
something that you have tothink about constantly.
Okay, so they need something.
So you are now giving thattreat, whether it's engagement
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from you or something valuablethat they can work on and
stimulate, they're getting thething that they needed without
it being connected to thenegative behavior.
That's the kicker.
A lot of people are like oh, Iforgot to give my dog enrichment
before I sat down to watch TV.
Now they're doing the thingthey always do, right, and you
usually been better about it.
(11:44):
But you forgot one night andthey went right back to the
behavior.
Right, that's fine, we forget,we're imperfect, right, that's
okay.
Switch up the scenery, get themout, so it's not connected.
We can't say ooh, you have theremote, let me go get you a cong
or a frozen bone.
And now they're like well, I'mjust gonna take the remote every
single time I want somethingright it's gotta be disconnected
.
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It cannot flow together.
There has to be something inbetween.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
You can't let them figure out that the remote has
some type of innate value to you.
That's the last thing you wannado.
It's the same with any object,like socks and shoes.
You don't wanna apply a valueto that.
And that kind of leads me intothe number.
One thing you can do to stopall of this is set the stage for
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success for your dog.
Look at your antecedents.
Your dog chewed up your shoes.
Well, your shoes weren't awayin the closet where they
normally are.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Who's fault is it you left them out?
Who's fault is?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
it the garbage, the garbage wasn't locked or put
away.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh my God, my parents , my parents they will bring the
.
If it's almost full, who is it?
My dad or my mom?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It's the both of them , but your mom will say that it
was your dad.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
She'll bring the garbage out of the garbage pail
that goes into the cabinet andleave it there.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
On the floor so that you could put a little more
garbage in before you have todrag it out.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then they're like Sage why are you getting in the
garbage?
I'm like she's a year old andyou left a holy grail on the
floor.
Why is she getting yelled at?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
We set her up to fail , and then the yelling just
confuses her.
She doesn't understand whyshe's getting yelled at, or
she's like this is great, I'mgetting attention now.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So why not continue doing that?
So reality, how we physicallyact, and that's why I always
come back to I hate the factthat it's called dog training,
because it's really not.
It's really human training ofhow to have a dog.
That's what it comes down to.
These things is.
It's just how we function on adaily basis and our dogs tend to
learn what works for me.
That's it.
(13:41):
How do I get the most resourcesat a given moment?
Right, and you are the one thatfacilitates all of it as a
parent.
That's what it comes down to.
If you want your dog to actdifferently, you need to change
your behavior first.
This goes for everythingeverything across the board.
A lot of people wanna blame onthe dog.
Dog didn't ask to be here.
They are literally products oftheir environment.
(14:04):
So we have to look at reallythat's why I always tell people
on Instagram too how do I fixthis?
I need all the informationfirst, because I'm not gonna
give you advice that doesn'tactually pertain to your
situation.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
No cookie cutter.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, we don't do cookie cutter advice here.
We'll give you options of whatcould possibly be going on, but
it really is up to you to figurethat out.
You have to play detective andsay, okay, am I not giving my
dog, your aunt, right, like wejust were at my father-in-law's
birthday party and we weretalking about it, and she was
talking about how her puppyshe's a little bit old, she's
probably around 13 months nowkeeps peeing in the same spot in
(14:40):
the house.
Right, she knows how to gooutside or whatever.
And I'm like all right, when isit happening?
Well, she's like oh, ithappened this morning when I was
wrapping the kids' gifts that Ibrought today, and I'm like has
anything changed?
Have you not been giving herenough to say oh, you know what?
I've been really busy the lastthree weeks and I have not been
giving her attention, but nowshe's older, right, she's over a
year.
so the expectation of just beright, I shouldn't need to be
(15:04):
putting any more work into youcomes over us and we forget what
they need and they kind of fallto the back burner.
So I was telling her.
I was like it sounds likeanxious behavior to me.
She's like, oh, but she's notanxious.
I'm like, no, but you notpaying attention to her makes
her anxious and that's herbody's way of responding to it.
And then you give her attentionfor peeing, so you're
(15:25):
reinforcing that behavior.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It got you away from the presence right and it got
you to interact with her.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, so we are the reason why our dogs do what they
do.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Period.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yep, and it's okay, like, it's okay to be like.
Oh crap, like, like, if this isyou, if I'm explaining you
right now, don't beat yourselfup, because that doesn't do
anything for anybody Just say,okay, what am I going to do,
moving forward to fix this?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
How can I set the stage for success?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yes, it's actually quite simple.
It's not hard once you get downto it and it's really just like
John said, like setting thestage, but also preparing
yourself, preparing yourenrichment, creating a schedule
for yourself.
Maybe when you get home, you dospend 10 minutes with your dog
before you do something else.
Right, Just 10 minutes.
What's 10 minutes?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
To them A long time.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's everything, but to us it's 10 minutes is really
nothing, right?
So try and set yourself up forsuccess, and that will allow
your dog to kind of meet youhalfway.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, Last part one of this podcast series I talked
about doing starting doing thecrate training on Instagram and
doing the part one cratetraining video.
So if you go to over to ourInstagram this week, we'll have
part two of that crate trainingvideo of, like, how to take it
to the next step.
So we got Clarence, who'sformerly he formerly he's got
(16:47):
some bad experiences with thecrate and he's destroyed crates,
he's broken his way out.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
He's clearly been loved.
To our knowledge, he had he hada parent who passed away and I
think he was in the house whenthe parent passed away, which I
think was super traumatic forhim.
He's seven and a half already,so he was loved.
You can tell he's been loved Forsure, but very like he's timid
to start.
Once he knows you he likecompletely warms up.
(17:12):
But you can tell there'sabandonment issues there, like
when we go to leave he wants togo back outside for a walk
because he doesn't want anybodyto go Right, so I'll have one
more walk.
Yeah, he's like but I have to goto the bathroom.
No, you don't, you just pee andpooped.
I know you did.
So he definitely has that likedon't leave me mentality.
So the crate, the crate whatJohn is explaining is a couple
of crates.
I think in foster at least hehas broken through and we're not
(17:36):
exactly sure of what it was Hislife was like prior.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Right.
So we're kind of flying blind,but we're just focusing on
changing his association withthe crate to try and make it
like this is the place where Iget treats and it was working I
mean when I was in there and youwere in there with him the next
day no, it was that night.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
He walked in at night .
It was that night.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It was amazing he walked in the open crate and
looked at Jamie through thecrate.
Like you can give me treats.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But we weren't even training.
I just happened to walk next toit because I was picking up a
toy and he walked.
He didn't want to play.
He looked at me, sat there, andhe was like, okay, I'm ready
and we did a little.
I honestly I was like all right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Might as well.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And he loved it.
I was telling him in and out,in and out and he was trying to
figure it out.
It was so cute.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, so if you want more of the puppy stuff, that
the remainder of this week isgoing to be puppy related as
well, so we're getting some morepuppy content up.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, I wanted to go over one more thing about what
we were just discussing.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, if I can, fly back real quick, you can segue.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Real quick.
We're going to talk about moreof this in weeks to come.
You know like we're doing ourweeks on specific topics.
We're going to talk more aboutguarding, but in terms of puppy,
to avoid guarding in reality islike you really can't be
trading and you really can't begrabbing things out of your
dog's mouth consistently.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, Trading is a short-term management solution.
It is.
It can be extremely problematicif you have a very intelligent
dog.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So if your dog is smart and and this is like I
always tell people, all dogs aresmart in a way but if your dog
is extremely intelligent, hyper,focused, constantly watching
your every move isn't a happydummy, isn't just kind of like
like flying through life,everything is great.
If your dog is more justchronically all over the place
and watching everything, this isthe dog that you want to watch,
(19:18):
for If they're not gettingtheir needs met, they're going
to re, they're going to reallylead into to guarding if they
feel insecure enough.
So if your dog takes a specificitem, you chase them around and
now they're underneath thetable, they're behind the couch,
they're on, they're somewherewhere they can confine
themselves.
They're trying to hide.
Now they're going to easilyswitch into guard mode.
That's like where they'reseeing red.
(19:39):
Now it's not a game anymore.
Now they're like if you reachfor this, I'm going to bite you.
They're growling, they're givingyou whale eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
They don't even remember the game that they were
playing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
They didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
They set the, they put them in that all they
remember is this thing has valuenow.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Because you're reaching for it, right?
So even like the remote.
At the end of the day you canbuy a new remote.
They're not that expensive,right?
But to them you're reaching forit and it's causing all this
hoopla.
Now you're saying this remoteis like high tier, right?
So now they don't want to giveit up, even though really they
don't have any value in it.
Then again they go into likethat red zone mode where their
eyes get really wide and you seethe whale eyes and they're like
(20:15):
yeah, try me, reach for it.
I dare you right, this isreally what you want to avoid.
You need to back it off duringthese situations, because all
you're doing is actuallyprovoking it and we think, oh,
my dog needs to respect me, theycan't treat me like this.
But in reality we are againputting them in this situation
and this is something that youreally should get training on.
(20:37):
You really you need behavioraltraining because this is not
something they grow out of.
I honestly want to do a seriesof things your puppy will not
grow out of, because a lot ofpeople think I think it's just a
phase.
It's not.
That's intense insecurity ifyour dog is guarding, by any
means, any means food at anearly age.
It's like I had another personwho just said oh, 13 week old
(20:57):
puppy guarding food from anotherdog in the house.
You need to attack that as soonas possible.
You need to let that puppy knowthat there is so much food and
they will never get reprimandedfor for communicating.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, there is a time where resource guarding could
be a phase, and that's almostexclusively in a shelter setting
.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Where it's a totally unnatural environment, they're
confined.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
They don't know Quotas all levels or through the
roof?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yes, they don't know all these dogs.
They don't know when their nextmeal's coming.
They haven't figured it out yet.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
They don't think they're safe.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's something in the 90, something percent, like the
high 90% of the amount of dogswho have resource guarding in a
shelter environment and go homeand never show it another day in
their life.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yep, but if your dog is in your home, consistently
loved, you know some of theirresources are being met, but
they don't feel like they'regetting all of them.
They, a lot of them, willresort to guarding to get more
attention, to get more things toyou know, whatever it is.
So if that's something thatyou're experiencing like, do not
reach for that item.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Do not.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're literally setting them up to fail because
they are going to bite youeventually.
They may not in the beginning,but they will eventually.
And the more we do it, the morethey are saying I do need to
guard this item.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right, we are.
We are reinforcing that thisitem has value and I don't want
you to have it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And a lot of times.
If our dogs are doing this andwe actually get the item away
from them, we punish them afterthey gave it up.
But now we're now we'repunishing, we do the same thing
with uh.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
when we tell them to come inside with a recall, you
say come, and they're notlistening and you're like come,
get inside.
They finally come inside andthey get scolded.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yep, and they're like well, why did I do this?
Yeah, they're just going tostay outside next time.
Less likely to come inside nexttime, unfortunately, that's
going to be um weeks down theroad of us really getting and
digging into guarding more often.
But um, yeah, that's you wantto.
You want to try to avoid thatat all costs.
The more you reach, even in theearly stages, maybe they're not
giving you a whale eye and agrowling, but you do not want to
(22:56):
consistently take things out oftheir mouths especially on
walks.
Lots of puppies like to pick upgarbage.
Most of the time they're goingto drop it.
Just let them drop it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Let them do it on their own.
Didn't have a dog that had tobe walked on a muzzle.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yes, because she was insane because the parents yeah,
but but the parents weren't,they were just constantly taking
things out of her mouth 24seven.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So she was like I need to pick this up to get
attention Right.
So it becomes reinforcedregardless of its negative or
positive.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think, I think it's basketball makes a scavenger
muzzle.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It's a.
It's like a slightly modifiedbasketball that doesn't allow
them to pick things, like theycan still drink water, but they
can't pick things off the floor.
Okay, so something to look intoif you have that problem.
All right, I think you coveredthat.
Is there anything else you'dlike to talk about in part two
of your puppy podcast series?
No, no.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Speaking of muzzle, we are in the works of creating
a muzzle training, a 14 daymuzzle training blueprint, which
will be an online course.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It's like a mini course.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's a mini course and basically you take it and
you follow the days and at theend of the day, 14 days, your
dog is muzzle trained, sosomething to keep an eye out for
.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
We should probably do like pre-orders.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Like a pre-sale.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, like a pre-sale .
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Let us know if you're interested.
Instagram us, dm us something.
Yeah, let us know if you'reinterested and you know what If
you're a fan?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
just DM us and let us know you're listening.
We got a DM.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
We got a DM from a listener last week who I guess
was listening to older episodesand we had talked about.
Before we redid our recommendedproducts page we had that
picture of champ Luke on therewith the harness double clip to
the collar and she had reachedout to us and wanted to know
where the picture was.
She could see a picture becauseshe's trying to get her dog off
for prong collar.
So props to you.
(24:47):
I actually had a picture that Ihad just taken the day before
of Clarence with the double clip, so I sent that over to her, so
hopefully she gets some successwith that.
That's all we have for part twoof our puppy series.
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Once you get into people cause on like the console
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How are you going to train mydog?
Virtually, I'm like I'm not.
I'm going to train you to trainyour dog because I don't live
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You need to be able to workwith your dog and do exactly
what I would do if I was there,so all I need is you.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, should we tease Black Friday?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I think we should.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We're coming up to it , go ahead.
We, for the first time ever,are going to do some Black
Friday sales to to try and oh,we're just trying something
different.
Black Friday sales, why not?
So, as you know, we have ourthe one and only Advanced Pat
First Aid NCPR course, which isnow has now been granted three
hours of CEU for IAABCcredentialed members.
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So if you are a credentialmember with the IAABC, you take
that course.
You are granted three hours ofCEU.
Remember, you are required toget your CEUs in every two years
.
So it's an easy way to getreally good education, get a
certification that technicallynever expires because it's free
recertification Every two years.
You just log back on and retakethe test and you're recertified
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It's that easy.
So check it out.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's a money saver.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Go to possumuniversitycom forward,
slash petfirstaid or just go topossumuniversitycom, look for
the course.
But on Black Friday we're goingto be doing a buy one, get one
of the Advanced Pat First AidNCPR course, the online course.
What that means is you and afriend.
You want to buy a friend accessto the course, you get it for
(27:08):
free.
You guys want to go half sees,you get a 50% off.
So buy one, get one.
On our Advanced Pat First AidNCPR course will be our Black
Friday sale starting.
I'm assuming we'll probablystart the sale on Thanksgiving
because it's online.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Usually with yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
We'll probably do.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I feel like Black Friday deals.
Everyone's just doing itrandomly.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
We're doing it now, in 15 minutes.
Black Friday We'll probably bedoing it on Black Friday.
Just keep an eye out.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, that week it might be a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Keep an eye out.
We'll do a buy one, get one forthe Advanced Pat First Aid and
CPR course.
We were also what do we have?
We have your dogs and babiescourse.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yep, if you're pregnant or know somebody who's
pregnant.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's basically a master course on everything dogs
and babies and if you arepregnant, know someone pregnant
who's a little concerned aboutbringing their baby home to meet
their dog.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Great Christmas gift.
It's $150.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Really $150 and.
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It's like eight hours of training.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And I will give you the Pat First Aid course for
free if you enroll for the BlackFriday deal for that Were we
doing any other sales.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Nothing, that was it, just our courses.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Should we take something off the top of the
bundles?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
We could.
We could take a percentage offthe bundles 10% off bundles yeah
Code Black Friday.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
If you wanna enroll in training, I'll do it.
What's today's date?
Today is we're doing this liveon the air, so Black Friday is
two Fridays from now.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I think that whole week.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
The whole week.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Monday to Friday, the whole week.
Monday to.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Sunday 10% off Bundles, bundles, and if you get
a bundle you get 50% off thePat First Aid course.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
When you follow through.
So 10% off any of our trainingbundles plus.
A CPR course, 50% off, pat,first Aid and CPR All online.
Or you can get the Dogs andBabies course and get a free.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
First Aid.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
First Aid, or you could buy one, get one.
First Aid Chat two.
So you and a friend or a familymember can get certified.
I think that's it for thepuppies.
Anything else you'd like to?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
add.
No, I think we covered a lot ofreally good information.
I hope that helps a lot ofpuppies out there and puppy
parents cause.
Yes, it's a hard time.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's a hard time.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Everyone's like I want a puppy.
And then they have a puppy andthey're like why did I want a
puppy?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And make sure you go over to our Instagram at Paulson
University and check out theMeet Clarence video.
Clarence is the dog who'scurrently with us at our rehab
facility working on hisreactivity.
He is awesome.
He's seven and a half years old.
You would never know it.
He's like a puppy.
He is so loving and so deep.
You could just look at him.
(29:54):
You just know.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, he's an old soul.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
There's so much more going on there than meets the
eye.
He's a really special dog,bobby said, when he goes.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But we need to find him somewhere to go, so Like him
to have a home for him.
Check out.
Go to Instagram.
Look for the Meet Clarencevideo.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And share it to people.
Share it, just give them somelooks.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Let's find him a home .
He's been waiting for a longtime after he.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
He's been in.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
No fault of his own, lost his family.
He's the one person he lovedlost them.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And now he's been in rescue for over a year.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, so let's get this boy home for the holidays.
He deserves it, he does.
All right, that's all we havefor this week.
Talk to you next week.
Until then, Class dismissed.
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