March 14, 2025 • 8 mins
New Zealand Cricket's announced a southern sell-out for Tuesday's Twenty20 international double-header.
The White Ferns will play their third T20 against Sri Lanka at Dunedin's University Oval, followed by the Black Caps' second game against Pakistan.
The Black Caps’ clash comes after their narrow loss to India in the Champions Trophy final, India claiming the win by four wickets.
Coach Gary Stead joined Lesley Murdoch to reflect on that loss, as well as look forward to the coming weeks as a new team faces a young and exciting Pakistan side.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Canabories of all Sport Breakfast with Leslie Murdock and
might have ten mega supporting, local friendly q WE owned
and operator news talks. He'd be his news talks. He'd
be ten minutes past eight. A pleasure to welcome back
to our show. Gary Stead, head coach of the black Caps.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning, Yeah, good morning Leslie.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Ah boy. Nice to be back in your own bed.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Right ah yeah. It is just trying to get our
sleep patterns right before we're into the next series this
Pakistan starting tomorrow, so it's a pretty quick turnaround. But no,
I think the guys played really well over there and
obviously disappointing we didn't get up for that Vic treeves India,
but overall delighted the way we played the whole tournament.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Absolutely and when you reflect back just on that one match,
because that's what it came down to in the end.
I mean, it's fantastic that you got to the final.
What are your thoughts when you think the situation, I mean,
looking from as a viewer, the vibe and that energy
that the crowd gave the Indian team, and we know
all about the travel we'll talk about minute, but just
(01:02):
needed a few more runs you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I mean you can look at it a number
of ways. If we had them fifty for two, it
might have looked different as well. So it's always eas
easy to say, I think, yeah, we needed a few
more runs. You always want one more as a coach
and as a team. But look, I was an amazing atmosphere.
It was like we were in Mumbai or Delhi or
something like that. To be honest. There was a sea
(01:25):
of blue around us and a very very parochial Indian
Indian crowd. But look, I mean, and the way our
guys stood up game over there was really heartening, and
I think we're in good spaces. We looked ahead to
awards a World Cup that's sort of two years away.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
When you think about the game, I mean, it's interesting
the outcry when people became aware. When the black Caps
went through the Champions Trophy tournament and then made their
way won the semi final, made their way to the final,
nobody thinks about what has the decisions that had already
been made, i e. About India and the issue with Pakistan.
And it wasn't until New Zealand was involved that anybody
(02:04):
really blew up about it, and it's just such a
crazy thing that all of a sudden it hits home that, oh,
we're in the slightly disadvantage situation. It always seems crazy
to me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, I mean, we knew that before we were there,
and if we were in that situation, it was what
it was going to be. It probably wasn't the actual
shifting of Pakistan to do by so much, although you
do see that as an advantage to India. It was
more that some of the travel times we were traveling
at four am, for example, to get back and across there,
(02:37):
and it just affects your sleep patterns over there and
makes it for some crazy sort of traveling hours. And
I think that's the hardest thing that people don't see.
They just think you turn up and play the game. Well,
it's certainly not like that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
No, and you're only human for goodness saying, I mean
the fact that you traveled an extra seven thousand k's
whereas the Indians just had to move from their hotel
to the ground.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's right, and that's one of the things that was
certainly in their advantage over there. Yeah, Look, that might
have been different if India were made to play in
Shah jar in Abu Dhabi as well, And that could
have been, I guess, a fairer way to look at
that tournament, but it wasn't the case. And so yeah,
there's no point of crying out a spilt milk.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, and you never used it, Yeah, I mean I
loved what Mitch Santon said at the end. We never
talked about that. We never used it as a for
any kind of motivation either. They just went out there
and wanted to play the best that that group of
players could put together.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and that was the really pleasing thing for me
as well, as I thought the way that Mitch captain
de side, the way that Michael Braceworn and him bowled together,
and those middle overs, the way some of our young
bowlers and we were probably the most inexperienced bowling attack
in the competition as well, the way some of those
guys stood up was fantastic. And then if you look
through the team, I mean all batsmen contributed at some stage,
(03:54):
So when you talk about team efforts, and from my
point of view, I thought were and as I said before,
we're in pretty good space at the moment. Guys are
tracking along nicely with that World Cup a couple of
years away.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yea, and the worst news, you know, not having Matt Henry,
you know, falling on the point of his shoulder, and
that's what we didn't want to hear. But that's you
know the nature of the game, and you've got to
keep people healthy and fit.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and look, Matt was obviously a huge blow. He
was public taker at the tournament. They would also lost
Lucky Ferguson and Ben Says before the start of that
tournament as well. So I mean when you think about
being three bowlers down and still standing up to the
might of India, then yeah, it's again I think it's
a little bit of a tick in our box the
way that we did keep competing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I think the domestic product, and we've talked about
this before the fact that they've got such strong pathways
that even though we know that fast bowlers are going
to get injured, that you've had a group coming through
and even while Ben Says is injured now Will O'Rourke
has stayed remarkably fit given his introduction into the international game.
But there's always going to be injured and it really
(05:00):
does put a spotlight on our small population base.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, it does. But look, I mean, we do everything
we can to try and keep the players healthy, healthy
and fresh, but there's a fine line, I guess between
workload and resilience and trying to push that balance. And
I've always thought it's a little bit like an open
sized flanker and rugby, you put yourself in danger at
(05:24):
times and sometimes that you're going to get a kick
in the hand or whatever it may be. And so
I like in sort of fast balling to being that
and I think it's always a really fine balancing act
of how you do manage those players Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
What kind of a challenge will laboring tomorrow afternoon for
the black Caps.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
They're a little bit of an unknown to be honest.
They've gone with they've made some big calls and dropped
a number of big players for their T twenty series.
So look, they're a pretty youngish looking team who have
I think of there's a lot of performing local players
that that are selected in our side for the first time,
so it'll be interesting to see. But they're always a
(06:05):
handful of the population base of two hundred and eighty
million there at Pakistan, and we just have to see
from the net bowl as we get over there. They
always bring some really really good players out and I
think it's one of the things that being a young
Pakistani person growing up there, you know how hard it
is to get to the top. So they'll certainly be
giving it at all. Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Absolutely, And the changes that are made to the black Caps.
You mentioned Michael Bracewell coming into the captaincy.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yep, he's done it before for us when we're over
in Pakistan a year or so ago with a younger
group of players. But I mean with the IPL guys
being away and a few other unavailable unavailabilities, we're sort
of looking at about eight or nine players down ourselves,
but that's always great for opportunities for other players to
come in. And Look, we're excited about the team we've got.
(06:54):
We're only a year away from building towards a T
twenty World Cup now, so it's a really important series
for us.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Absolutely. Look I'm biased, I totally admit that, but when
you see what you have achieved with our population base.
Twenty twenty one T twenty Final, twenty twenty two T
twenty semi World Test Championship, win, the twenty twenty five
Champions Trophy Final the fifty over final. I mean there
are other countries around the world that much better resource,
(07:22):
much better population, bigger etc. Would love to be in
those finals and they don't make it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean I'm probably biased too, Leslie, but look,
there's no doubt we punch above our weight in this country.
It's not just cricket. I think it's in a number
of sports. But that's part of our DNA and sort
of what we talk about as well. There's no point
about moaning what we do and don't have. It's just
about how we play together as a group. And I
think the guys have been fantastic of late and have
(07:48):
come together really well and I certainly think they put
New Zealand on the map when it comes to how
we go about playing our sport.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Absolutely, look, thanks very much. I know that. Do you
get to sit back a little more relax in this
series with Pakistan?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Ah, Look, I'm heading into training this morning, so but yeah,
look we are. We've got a number of coaches who
will probably get different opportunities to lead as well in
the in the series, but I'll still absolutely be there
and want to do really well as we close the
season out.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah. Absolutely, we look forward to it, really do tomorrow.
Thank you very much, Gary Steed for coming to the Fine.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Thanks Leslie, good jobs. For more from News Talks ed B,
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
It's Canabories of all Sport Breakfast with Leslie Murdock and
might have ten mega supporting, local friendly q WE owned
and operator news talks. He'd be his news talks. He'd
be ten minutes past eight. A pleasure to welcome back
to our show. Gary Stead, head coach of the black Caps.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning, Yeah, good morning Leslie.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Ah boy. Nice to be back in your own bed.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Right ah yeah. It is just trying to get our
sleep patterns right before we're into the next series this
Pakistan starting tomorrow, so it's a pretty quick turnaround. But no,
I think the guys played really well over there and
obviously disappointing we didn't get up for that Vic treeves India,
but overall delighted the way we played the whole tournament.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Absolutely and when you reflect back just on that one match,
because that's what it came down to in the end.
I mean, it's fantastic that you got to the final.
What are your thoughts when you think the situation, I mean,
looking from as a viewer, the vibe and that energy
that the crowd gave the Indian team, and we know
all about the travel we'll talk about minute, but just
(01:02):
needed a few more runs you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I mean you can look at it a number
of ways. If we had them fifty for two, it
might have looked different as well. So it's always eas
easy to say, I think, yeah, we needed a few
more runs. You always want one more as a coach
and as a team. But look, I was an amazing atmosphere.
It was like we were in Mumbai or Delhi or
something like that. To be honest. There was a sea
(01:25):
of blue around us and a very very parochial Indian
Indian crowd. But look, I mean, and the way our
guys stood up game over there was really heartening, and
I think we're in good spaces. We looked ahead to
awards a World Cup that's sort of two years away.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
When you think about the game, I mean, it's interesting
the outcry when people became aware. When the black Caps
went through the Champions Trophy tournament and then made their
way won the semi final, made their way to the final,
nobody thinks about what has the decisions that had already
been made, i e. About India and the issue with Pakistan.
And it wasn't until New Zealand was involved that anybody
(02:04):
really blew up about it, and it's just such a
crazy thing that all of a sudden it hits home that, oh,
we're in the slightly disadvantage situation. It always seems crazy
to me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, I mean, we knew that before we were there,
and if we were in that situation, it was what
it was going to be. It probably wasn't the actual
shifting of Pakistan to do by so much, although you
do see that as an advantage to India. It was
more that some of the travel times we were traveling
at four am, for example, to get back and across there,
(02:37):
and it just affects your sleep patterns over there and
makes it for some crazy sort of traveling hours. And
I think that's the hardest thing that people don't see.
They just think you turn up and play the game. Well,
it's certainly not like that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
No, and you're only human for goodness saying, I mean
the fact that you traveled an extra seven thousand k's
whereas the Indians just had to move from their hotel
to the ground.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's right, and that's one of the things that was
certainly in their advantage over there. Yeah, Look, that might
have been different if India were made to play in
Shah jar in Abu Dhabi as well, And that could
have been, I guess, a fairer way to look at
that tournament, but it wasn't the case. And so yeah,
there's no point of crying out a spilt milk.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, and you never used it, Yeah, I mean I
loved what Mitch Santon said at the end. We never
talked about that. We never used it as a for
any kind of motivation either. They just went out there
and wanted to play the best that that group of
players could put together.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and that was the really pleasing thing for me
as well, as I thought the way that Mitch captain
de side, the way that Michael Braceworn and him bowled together,
and those middle overs, the way some of our young
bowlers and we were probably the most inexperienced bowling attack
in the competition as well, the way some of those
guys stood up was fantastic. And then if you look
through the team, I mean all batsmen contributed at some stage,
(03:54):
So when you talk about team efforts, and from my
point of view, I thought were and as I said before,
we're in pretty good space at the moment. Guys are
tracking along nicely with that World Cup a couple of
years away.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yea, and the worst news, you know, not having Matt Henry,
you know, falling on the point of his shoulder, and
that's what we didn't want to hear. But that's you
know the nature of the game, and you've got to
keep people healthy and fit.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and look, Matt was obviously a huge blow. He
was public taker at the tournament. They would also lost
Lucky Ferguson and Ben Says before the start of that
tournament as well. So I mean when you think about
being three bowlers down and still standing up to the
might of India, then yeah, it's again I think it's
a little bit of a tick in our box the
way that we did keep competing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I think the domestic product, and we've talked about
this before the fact that they've got such strong pathways
that even though we know that fast bowlers are going
to get injured, that you've had a group coming through
and even while Ben Says is injured now Will O'Rourke
has stayed remarkably fit given his introduction into the international game.
But there's always going to be injured and it really
(05:00):
does put a spotlight on our small population base.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, it does. But look, I mean, we do everything
we can to try and keep the players healthy, healthy
and fresh, but there's a fine line, I guess between
workload and resilience and trying to push that balance. And
I've always thought it's a little bit like an open
sized flanker and rugby, you put yourself in danger at
(05:24):
times and sometimes that you're going to get a kick
in the hand or whatever it may be. And so
I like in sort of fast balling to being that
and I think it's always a really fine balancing act
of how you do manage those players Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
What kind of a challenge will laboring tomorrow afternoon for
the black Caps.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
They're a little bit of an unknown to be honest.
They've gone with they've made some big calls and dropped
a number of big players for their T twenty series.
So look, they're a pretty youngish looking team who have
I think of there's a lot of performing local players
that that are selected in our side for the first time,
so it'll be interesting to see. But they're always a
(06:05):
handful of the population base of two hundred and eighty
million there at Pakistan, and we just have to see
from the net bowl as we get over there. They
always bring some really really good players out and I
think it's one of the things that being a young
Pakistani person growing up there, you know how hard it
is to get to the top. So they'll certainly be
giving it at all. Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Absolutely, And the changes that are made to the black Caps.
You mentioned Michael Bracewell coming into the captaincy.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yep, he's done it before for us when we're over
in Pakistan a year or so ago with a younger
group of players. But I mean with the IPL guys
being away and a few other unavailable unavailabilities, we're sort
of looking at about eight or nine players down ourselves,
but that's always great for opportunities for other players to
come in. And Look, we're excited about the team we've got.
(06:54):
We're only a year away from building towards a T
twenty World Cup now, so it's a really important series
for us.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Absolutely. Look I'm biased, I totally admit that, but when
you see what you have achieved with our population base.
Twenty twenty one T twenty Final, twenty twenty two T
twenty semi World Test Championship, win, the twenty twenty five
Champions Trophy Final the fifty over final. I mean there
are other countries around the world that much better resource,
(07:22):
much better population, bigger etc. Would love to be in
those finals and they don't make it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean I'm probably biased too, Leslie, but look,
there's no doubt we punch above our weight in this country.
It's not just cricket. I think it's in a number
of sports. But that's part of our DNA and sort
of what we talk about as well. There's no point
about moaning what we do and don't have. It's just
about how we play together as a group. And I
think the guys have been fantastic of late and have
(07:48):
come together really well and I certainly think they put
New Zealand on the map when it comes to how
we go about playing our sport.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Absolutely, look, thanks very much. I know that. Do you
get to sit back a little more relax in this
series with Pakistan?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Ah, Look, I'm heading into training this morning, so but yeah,
look we are. We've got a number of coaches who
will probably get different opportunities to lead as well in
the in the series, but I'll still absolutely be there
and want to do really well as we close the
season out.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah. Absolutely, we look forward to it, really do tomorrow.
Thank you very much, Gary Steed for coming to the Fine.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Thanks Leslie, good jobs. For more from News Talks ed B,
Listen live on air or online, and keep our shows
with you wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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