June 28, 2024 • 35 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
Do you think you're any talk show hosts this morning?
Good morning? Give us a call. One hundred sixty eight
eight ninety five twenty two. Who do you think won
the debate last night? President Biden for President Trump? Tell
me what you think? Shake Ja ninety five twenty two.
Remail me Michael, did iHeartMedia dot com? Who do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm afraid there are? I don't. I don't even think so.
As much as talk radios sometimes stumbled, last night was
an optical audible disaster, or it was the next orchestrated
step in a shadow campaign to re save the democracy again.
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You would think if you were prepping him for eight days,
you would have known what America was going to see
and that yet you let them see it. Yet you
begged for this debate for CNN. The eyes of the
world were on CNN's debate, and I think the moderators
performed fairly. Maybe that was a part of the orchestration.
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Let whatever that was last night happen, and.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
The total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with
more border control and more.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And then the minute it's over, come back to the
studio and say, somebody needs to call for this president
to step down. He might be replaced. With one hundred
and thirty days to go, this president is clearly too
cognitively impaired to be president.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Eligible for what I've been able to do with the UH,
with the COVID, I was gonna be with dealing with
everything we have to do with Look if we finally beat.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Medicare, and this is the audible portion. I did have
one bad moment, oh boy. And I've seen on social
media people keep showing that one puppet the old man puppet,
and I'm and my son could see that. You know,
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I felt sorry for Joe Biden throughout. But you know,
if Joe Biden is the one that's refusing to get
out of the way, well then it's his own doing.
As I mentioned, we've been touring some memory care facilities.
Joe Biden would be in bad shape by those lobby
stand So you know, I don't delight in the misfortune
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of others, but this is our misfortune. Somebody orchestrated and
duped us. And if last night's the first night they
realized it, boy, they had their head in the sand.
I guess no matter how you cut it, the first
presidential debate arguably unlike anything the nation has ever seen before.
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There will be no comparisons, and history will remember this
night probably first and foremost. If, like the rumors stated,
we're and do a debate early before the conventions. And
if you can't perform, if you can't cognitively, you know,
handle himself, then we're going to replace him. Well you
got it, he needs to be replaced. But what if
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he refuses to go? So you know, as I said earlier,
kind of teasing our top story, the whole debate is
are they too old to be president? That's down to one.
Only one now was perceived as too old, and it's
Joe Biden. It was Biden who went on the attack,
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the character attack, and it played right in in fact,
I don't have those clips to play you back. I
thought that was Donald Trump's best response when he buried
him for Hunter, buried for his involvement in China, buried
him for his involvement in Russia, Russia, Russia, buried him
for constantly trying to use law fair to bring Donald
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Trump down because he knows he can't beat me in
an election. I thought Trump's responses there were the best,
But it was Biden who started the attacks in the
CNN presidential debate.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Think of all the civil penalties you got, how many
billions of dollars do you own? Civil penalties for molesting
a woman of public, for doing a whole range of things,
of having sex from a porn star on the night
while your wife was training.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, it's all tough to listen to. The President made
his response very short, two seconds to be exact, I
didn't have sex with a porn star. Number one. He
also the whole thing kind of got you know, it
was Biden that originally off before the debate, challenged Trump.
Donald Trump, when asked about the age question, he basically
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made it about, you know, won two club championships, so
golf came up. I disagree with news media saying former
president challenged Biden to a golf match, and it was
Biden originally challenged him. It was Trump acknowledge. This guy
can't play coffee. He couldn't swing, It'd fall down.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I just won two club championships, not even senior, two
regular club championships.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
To do that, you have to be quite smart, and
you have to be able to hit the ball a
long way. And I do it. He doesn't do it.
He can't hit the ball fifty yards. He challenged me
to a golf match. He can't hit the ball fifty yards.
I'm not sure I'd have brought up the word handicap
any time during this debate, but Joe Biden brought up his.
I don't know how many of you believe Joe Biden
is not cognitively impaired after last night, And I certainly
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don't know how many of you believe he's a six handicap.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Look i'd be happy to have a driving contest, and
then Karama, I got my handicapped, which when I was
Vice president down to a six.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And b.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
By the way I told you before, I'm happy to
play golf. If you carry your on bag, I can
do it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't have any idea where that was going. Donald
Trump hit President Barden President Biden hard on immigration. As
many expected. We had the safest border in the history
of our country. Board All he had to do was
leave it. All he had to do is leave it.
Presidentccus Biden of opening up the border.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
He decided to open up our border, open up our
country to people that are from prisons.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Sadly, President Biden tried to defend with old narratives from
twenty twenty when he was president.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He was taking separating babies from my mother's put him
in cages, making sure the families are separated. That's not
the right way to go.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
President Biden and Donald Trump clashed over the topic of abortion.
This is supposedly the big advantage for the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and the
life of the mother.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your heart. Meanwhile,
Joe Biden compared abortion rights to civil rights.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
The idea that states are able to do this is
a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights
back to the states. That each state have.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
A different rule. This is one that might need an interpreter.
Biden says, not having exceptions is just ridiculous. And of
course the present former president Donald Trump just got through
saying he stands for exceptions. He also understands there's some
people that don't. You got to do what you believe,
But that didn't stop Biden from attacking exceptions and not
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having them being ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
There's a lot of young women to be raped by
their in laws, by their spouses by It's just ridiculous,
and they can do nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, you do. January sixth was going to come up,
and President Biden called out Donald Trump for his actions
during the attacks on the Capitol.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
He sat there for three hours, three hours watching begging
being baked by his vice president and a number of
his college and Republican side as well, to do something,
to call for a stop to end it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
This is a narrative that has been not really resolved. Look,
everybody from Nancy Pelosi to Donald Trump knew that there
were some bad elements on the ground on January sixth,
and the event happened anyway. Donald Trump will tell you
all the people came from all over the country. I
felt like I had to visit with him. The Sergeant
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of Arms, who is over the Capitol Police and under
the Speaker of the House, went to Nancy Pelosi. She
did nothing to prepare. The President did offer national guard,
no one accepted, including the mirror of the District of Columbia. Now,
is Donald Trump guilty of some comments that some might
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perceive as inciting and knowing what he knew when he
was talking, probably should have been avoided to try to
paraphrase this as an armed insurrection when no one was
armed and led by Donald Trump, when it clearly wasn't.
But unfortunately, we live in a matrix, and so for
a good portion of America they hear that see it
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as nonsense. For another portion of America they embrace the
narrative and they still see it as truth. But these
are some of the things, because one of the big
big narratives today is oh, yeah, Joe Biden, this guy's
out of it. He's senile, he can't be president. But
Donald Trump's a liar. That's opening the door and setting
it up for whoever Biden's replacement is. I think that's
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the game that's being orchestrated. Donald Trump made it very
clear he called for peaceful protesters.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, I didn't say that to anybody.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I said peacefully and patriotically. Weakness in Bold's in Bolden's aggression.
There's no question about it. History proves it. And Donald
Trump called Biden week adding, Putin saw Americans chaotic withdrawal
in Afghanistan, and that's what allowed them, and that's what
empowered them to go on with their invasion in Ukraine
because they didn't fear America.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Our veterans and our soldiers can't stand this guy. They
can't stand him. They think he is the worst commander
in chief, if that's what you call them that we've
ever had.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
They can't stand him. So let's get that straight. And
they liked me more than just about any of them.
President Biden came back with well, Trump encouraged the Russian
president to do whatever he wants.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine. This
guy told Ukraine and told Trump do whatever you want,
and do whatever you want exactly what Trump did to
fut and encourage him, do whatever you want, and he
went in.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Should I play that again? I mean, does that make
any sense? Was he trying to make the point that
Donald Trump encouraged Putin to do whatever he wants? Because
then he talks about Putin telling Trump to do whatever
he wants.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine. This
guy told Ukraine and told Trump do whatever you want
and do whatever you want. And that's exactly what Trump
did to fut and encourage him, do whatever you want.
And he went in.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Or maybe it's Donald Trump that invaded Ukraine. I don't
know anymore. Listen to this. Trump claimed Russia wouldn't have
invaded Ukraine if he had been in office.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
If we had a real president, the president that knew
that was respected by Putin, he would have never he
would have never invaded Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
We could play a million sounds, but this is the
bottom line on the CNN debate. President Biden did more
than just stumble at times audibly and optically sparking. I mean,
that was the spark. They must have been living under
the sand. Concerns among Democrats over his age and ability
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to take on Donald Trump, let alone be president for
four years.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID,
I excuse me with dealing with everything we have.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
To do with.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Look, if we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Just bad moments everywhere. If I had to pick a
worst moment, and when I say worst, I mean saddest.
The son and me, even though he's not my father,
wanted to go on stage and take him somewhere of dignity.
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The anger I get is towards our nation being duped
by whoever these behind the scenes forces are. They called
it a shadow campaign to save democracy, but they played
unfair to remove a sitting president and replaced with this,
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and they're playing new games today. But on the very
week that Snopes finally debunked the made up Trump statement
in South Carolina, Joe Briden brings up that a statement
as an attack in order to launch into a prepared,
pre prepared attack that struck Jeffrey as kindergarten, struck me
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as nursing home. This is the end of the Joe
Biden presidency.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
In ten seconds, I'm standing in this four star in
general and he told me, said, I don't want to
go in there because they're much a loser and suckers.
My son was not a loser. He was not a sucker.
You're the sucker. You're the loser.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And are you only angry because of your son? Never mind,
he didn't say it, but the only thing that would
have angered you is your son is not not a sucker.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Not.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It just seemed. Look, bottom line is optical, audible disaster,
perhaps as the Dems planned so now they can show
him exit stage left for.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Something even more left. This is your Morning Show with
Michael del Choma.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Bill Wrights, all Americans should be I'll use the word
angry with All Americans should be angry with the Democrat
Party and the mainstream media. They have gaslighted us on everything,
the economy, the border. This was the ultimate one. That
Biden is not cognitively impaired. He had a cold. He's
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not just too old. He had a cold. Well that
seems to be the game. I mean, I don't think
we need any focus groups. I don't think we need
any polling to help us understand who won the debate
last night. Marty does it in Saint Louis, That's for sure.
This is Marty and Saint Louis.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
After last night's performance, Trump is going to crush the
Democrats in November, no matter who they run.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Uh, not so fast on the no matter who they run,
I would say, on this trajectory, it was already going
bad heading in, it's only going to get worse. Donald
Trump will be the big beneficiary of a slight bump
I would think from this debate. The question is how
big of a bump will RFK get from this debate.
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But the game changer would be and I don't know,
they gotta get The parallels of nineteen sixty eight are
very compelling to me, and it suggests a great deal
of unrest. Don't forget in that manifesto the shadow campaign
to save the democracy. Had it not worked, weaponizing COVID,
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changing election laws, mail in votes, voter ballot harvesting, had
it not worked, they planned an insurrection and they scrambled
on election night because they were shocked when Biden won
to get the insurrection to stand down. Time Magazine, February fifteenth,
twenty twenty one. This isn't a crazy talk shows, Google
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and read it for yourself. One of them is claim
who ended up being the chief of staff they tell
you how they stole the election in twenty twenty, and
it's not the way you've been thinking. But the reality is,
after they got Trump in Biden in, he was supposed
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to leave and he refused. Now they're in the same
situation all these years later. Washington Post Biden stumbles in
fight debate. Politico Dems freak out over Biden's debate performance.
Biden is toast the Hill debate highlights Dems in full
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panic mode after Biden's stumbling performance. Axios Biden blunders dominate
competitive combative debate with Donald Trump. CNN played it straight
throughout the debate, and then they went right to their
post debate calling for him to step aside. Hi, It's Michael.
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d at iHeartMedia dot com well thirty five minutes after
the hour. And this Friday, the twenty eighth of June
of Our Lord, twenty twenty four, and the first presidential
debate was arguably unlike anything the nation has ever seen
or heard before.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
The total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with
more border patrol and more as.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I really don't know what he said at the end
of this, and I don't think he knows what he
said either.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Eligible for what I've been able to do with the
the COVID, I excuse me with dealing with everything we
have to do with Look if we finally beat medicare.
He was standing with this four star in general and
he told me, said, I don't want to go in
there because they're a much a loser of suckers. My
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son was not a loser, was not a sucker. You're
the sucker.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You're the loser, and my Scrandon Dad's going to beat
up your scrand and dad no matter, no wonder. We're
working up this morning with the Washington Posts saying Biden's
doubles and fiery debate. Is Trump spreads falsehoods, Fox raspy,
Biden gets off to halting start the Hill. DEM's in
full panic mode after Biden's stumbling performance. Politico Dems freak
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out over Biden's debate performance. Biden is toast axios. Biden
blunders dominate compative combative debate with Trump. Look, there's no
question Joe Biden cannot win after that debate performance. Audibly
and optically, it was a disaster. The question is was
it an orchestrated, planned one for the very purposes of
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replacing him? But one thing's for sure. Aaron Real is
joining us our national correspondent for your morning show. I
don't I mean I saw Kamala Harris tried, and Gavin
Newsom tried. There's not many people trying to spin this debate.
America could kind of see it for what it was.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Yeah, I think that this was very, very hard to
watch for many people. It doesn't feel good watching stuff
like this. Cringe has been a word that's described it,
which frankly is an overused word right now. But yes,
a lot of people did watch it. We don't have
exact numbers yet, but six and ten. According to the
Associated Press, you as adults said that they were going
to watch.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
But what's interesting, While we don't like naval gazing in
the media, we do it a lot. We talk about ourselves.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
But you kind of have to look at the structure
of this one because since the nineteen eighties, the Commission
on Presidential Debates has run things. It is a nonprofit
Democrat and Republican Party brainchild.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Not last night.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
It was CNN's event last night, through and through from
like where the cameras pointed to when they cut the mics,
to who they were distributed to competitor wise, and to
who they withheld it from. But if there is one
thing I can say about this debate, said, if you're
looking for a winner, no one is talking about Jake
Tapper or Dana Bash this morning the event moderators, which
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is probably a sign they did their job.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, I mean, there were a couple moments where, first
of all, this cannot be said enough. Everything we're doing
this morning is playing in the audio. It's painful to watch.
I had shared. I like the looking at the naval line.
My look at the naval was we've been and touring
memory facilities, for Andrea's mother, and they're not easy to tour.
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These are loving, compassionate people providing care. But these people are,
you know, in bad shape, and when you see them,
you know, at one point they were kids playing in
a field, they were young businessmen, you know, and they're
out of it. Now. That's what this looked like. It
was sad to watch, and the anger needs to be
directed towards a Democrat party and a bias mainstream media
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that's been trying to sell you in duping you that
this guy hasn't been cognitively impaired all along. So now
suddenly everybody sees it for what it is. But it
was optically even worse. I mean, the way he entered
the worst moment nobody would probably talk about today when
they cut back to CNN, because everybody had to use
CNN's television video and audio if you were watching CNN
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as they were cutting back to set up their narrative,
which was, this guy's got to go. Democrats are panicking everywhere,
money people, strategists, they're all trying to figure out how
to get this guy off the ticket, as if it
was orchestrated. But while that was going on, you could
see Donald Trump just left. Joe Biden was stuck at
the podium, and eventually, if you go back and watch
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the video, you'll see Jill Biden come out, grab him
by the hand, take him to the moderators. He wasn't
even talking to the moderators, Jill was. I mean, it
was sad. It was as bad as it is audibly.
It was an optical nightmare. I will sing you and
this could be part of the orchestration. The moderators played
it straight. I don't think the people back at the
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studio did. And it started to feel very orchestrated to me.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
You bring up a great point.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
The non verbals last night, just like the freeze, fream,
the split screen, the facial expression.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
It like you.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Said, you know, you were touring facilities and a lot
of people thought.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Of their nana and they love their nana.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
And this isn't even a dig It's just the reality
the situation is.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Yeah, it's a little bit sad. And then beyond that,
if this was set.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Up, if you just look at the structure of this
how it is owned by one for profit corporation, which
by the way, excluded independent candidate RFK, even though he
met all the requirements to be on that stage.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And I warned he might be the big winner for
not being there, and he still may.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Yeah, what's yes exactly.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
But beyond that, if both Trump and Biden agreed to this,
you know, if it was an act of a collusion
between the two established parties, if they both agreed to
this under the assumption that, you know, if anything went wrong,
Trump could say, oh, well it was CNN. It was
a hitch hob and then if Trump Biden had friendly
fire coming at him in the form of CNN.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Frankly, what I think we saw last night was.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
That when CNN cut Trump's mic, it actually made him
look more cogent and less bellicos It helped him.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And then when he let go, they started rambling.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And remember how many times they go, you have sixty
eight seconds left, and then he goes, yeah, yeah, look yeah,
but no, but I think they saved him a couple
of times cutting away. But you know, they would cut
off the split screen because when Trump would be talking,
he was just going places in his mind. I think.
But no, you bring up the word hit job. I
want to zoom in on that, Eric, because if this
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was a hit job, it was a hit job by
the Democrat operatives against the sitting Democrat president who refused
to leave after he got in office and might be
refusing to leave now. And I think CNN was look
at the end of the day, it was the Democrats
that arranged this debate. They had to know he wasn't
up to it. For eight days they've been preparing him.
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They had to know he wasn't up to it. This
was orchestrated. If there was a hit job, it was
on Biden by his own people, right.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
And that's such an aggressive term. I shouldn't have view that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
This that I am Italian, I should have been offended.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
But the point I'm trying to make here is that.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You really thought that this was going to play out
a certain way, but it ended up helping both candidates.
When they cut Trump's mic, he didn't, he didn't go
on these rants that makes him look like a bully
and so so aggressive, and he couldn't. And then Biden,
they gave him the freedom to keep going. He rambled
into incoherence and so like whatever the intention was, or
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at least assumed to be, I don't know how Macavelian
this is.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Irons are in the fire from different establishments, but what
was very clear was the winner and the loser last night.
And again we're not talking about the moderators this morning,
which means they did a solid job because.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh, CNN's a big winner in this. Don't forget. Everybody
was carrying it with their logo and their room filled
with logos, you know, so they and they played it
straight and then you know, they afterwards, you know, called
for him to step down as president. So whether it
was orchestrated or not, it was an optical and audible disaster.
The question is is there another step to this orchestration
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in their endeavor to continue their shadow campaign to say
the democracy. We suspect this will be historic rating numbers.
I mean, imagine there's some people left hoping nobody was watching.
Don't count on it exactly.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
We will get some numbers, the early numbers later today,
but we're going to get full ratings on this in
the very near future. The flashpoles quickly gave us the
answer of who won or loss. We've been hearing from
focus groups as well, which are I think the focus
groups are so telling because so many of them were
like oh, I didn't know. Is this bad, like this
idea that it's not even it's not aggressive, They're not
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they don't have a dog in this fight essentially other
than being American citizens. And the shock from a lot
of focus groups this morning is pretty fascinating. So I
will be keen to see how many numbers. But I
don't think. I don't know where the DNC goes from here.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I totally die. I guess you could hate Donald Trump
so much, or feared Donald Trump so much that you've
been living with your hands over your eyes. I don't
know how anybody could have been shocked last night by
how cognitively impaired this present is. You just haven't been
looking with a clear lens. But that's what makes me
feel like I know you need to run. Thanks Saren
for your insights, but no, I think that's what makes
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me feel like this has been very orchestrated. Because they
look at CNN alone, they made sure it was on
every network. There were some people that wouldn't have watched it.
They'd have watched whoever Fox had on, or they'd have
watched whoever MSNBC had on. No, they made sure it
was on every network. So You couldn't miss it knowing
what you were going to see was a cognitively impaired
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individual and capable of being president of the United States.
I don't think it's a bad word. This was a
hit job, a hit job by all the player. Look
what was the hit job in twenty twenty the Shadow
Campaign to Save the Democracy, which you can read for yourself,
Time Magazine, February fifteenth, twenty twenty one. It's their manifesto.
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We controlled the narratives because we controlled the media. We
silenced any opposing views, because we controlled technocracy and we
controlled social media. We weaponized COVID, we changed election laws,
we harvest ballots, and we stole the election in swing states.
It was orchestra with the media and the Democratic operatives.
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This was orchestrated by the media and Democrat operatives. The
Democrat Party arranged this debate without the Presidential Commission in
a silent studio in Atlanta, made sure it was on
every network for everyone to see. The president is senile.
I'm not being mean and I'm not making fun. You
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were duped when they got him in office. They were
duped when he refused to leave after getting an office
and right now we're being duped in what was orchestrated
last night. Now the question is on, like sixty four
days into this presidency, can they get Joe Biden to
pull an LBJ and step aside? Because if everything up
till now has been orchestrated, the next move has been
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orchestrated too. You just haven't seen it yet. And if
you've been falling for everything else, you're gonna fall for
it too. This is long way from over. In fact,
like nineteen sixty eight, the fun is just getting started.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
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Speaker 1 (29:10):
The morning after the debate. I'm thinking of a scene
in Apollo thirteen where Gene Krantz everything's going wrong with
Apollo thirteen and he just stops everything. He says, all right,
from an operational standpoint, let's look at it this way.
What's working on this on this ship. That's what it
feels like waking up this morning. It was a disaster
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for Joe Biden. The Biden ability to win this election
ended last night. It was an optical, audible disaster. The
only thing that's question in question is was it too
orchestrated to arrive at this point? This is a Joe
Biden that probably wouldn't leave when he was asked to
leave after getting elected, and now they need him to
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step down and pull an LBJ. Will he refuse again?
And if he does, even they can orchestrate what's their
best bet moving forward? Michelle Obamagavin News some Kamala Harris
try to get RFK back. That's kind of where the discussions,
the headlines speak for themselves. Nobody is debating who won
the debate. Biden stumbles in fiery debate Washington Post, Politico,
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Dems freak out Biden's debate performance, Biden's toast The Hill
Dems in full panic after Biden stumbles in performance, Axios.
Biden blunders dominate combative debate with Trump. Rory. I'm going
to do this from a Gene Krantz perspective, because I
know you love NASA. From an operation roy onill from
an operational standpoint, What went well for Joe Biden? What
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do the Democrats have moving forward? Anything?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
He was actually pretty good at the after party, although
I don't know why they called it an after party.
Maybe an Irish wake, maybe a better title for it,
But actually, if you watch the clips, he was actually
much better at that event than he was during the
debate itself.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
There's not much to hang your hat on from what
he did last night.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
We talked earlier, I had called this the NASCAR debate, right,
we'd all be tuning in to see the crash and
get crashed eleven minutes in nine eleven nine one one
Eastern time, disaster struck.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't know which one we would say was disastered.
There were several disastrous moments. I actually think before that,
walking on, he did look very steady, But from there
it only got one.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
The total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with
more border control and more.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I really don't know what he says at the end
of this sentence.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't think he knows what he said either, And
it got worse from there.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
And if you look, if you were to read a
transcript of this debate, not the audio, not the visuals,
Donald Trump didn't have a stellar performance either. He failed
to answer questions about getting drug treatment programs off the ground.
He didn't have an answer for a question about trying
to lower the cost of childcare you know he had.
He was serving up plenty of words salad, and then
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in addition to some whoppers of truth exaggerations, is a
polight waves hey. So it wasn't a great performance on
his part, but he looked the part, sounded the part,
and that certainly made him the winner.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
If I had to sit down, Let's say I was
so rooting for Donald Trump, and I was praying and wishing,
I'd say, as many times as you can bring things
back to the border, as many times as you can
bring things back to the economy, as many times as
you can bring things back to the filed foreign policy,
that he did with a plus plus. What do you
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think of the moderators? I thought they would look. I
think that I'm suspicious that's part of the orchestration. Look,
the Dems begged for this, CNN got it. They got
it on every network, so you know you're gonna have
record ratings. There was no missing this debate. Somebody wanted
you to see Joe Biden for what he is, a
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disaster optically and audibly, So I think that was part
of it. Play it straight. I thought the moderators did great,
but then they go right back to the CNN studio
after the debate and they're all calling for Biden to
step down. So to me, it all felt very orchestrated.
But if you're gonna ask me that question, I thought
they did a fine job. There were a couple of
things where they were trying to save Biden. Take them
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off split screen when the optical was way worse than
the audio. Opt you bring up the transcript, which is brilliant,
but optically that was painful to watch. Pain I mean
a week at Camp David.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
You couldn't stick him out in the sun for ten
minutes and give him a little color.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean, it was all He looked terrible.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
You know, Donald Trump is coming out full orange, which
in those bright white lights all faded out, and he
looked like he just walked off the golf course. So
he Donald Trump looked the part much more than Joe Biden,
who looked like the cryptkeeper.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think optically Trump wins. Audibly, Trump wins. The bigger
thing is it's such a disaster. Was it orchestra I mean, look,
they planned this debate, They've been training, they've been prepped
him for eight days.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
This.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I used to say this to board operators. You know,
if somebody's spot isn't in by close of business, why
doesn't anybody catch it? Why do you wait for tomorrow
morning for the bomb to go off? Somebody wanted us
to see this last night. It really felt you're not
going there with me. But I sense something very orchestrated.
I don't. I don't give anyone that much credit. If
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they are going to try to make a move, he's
got to be the one to step.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Down, right right, Yeah, you can't kick him out. He's
got a volunteer to step down on his own. So
that's obviously a high bar. And that's going to be
doctor Jill Biden really trying to convince him to finally
make the move. Maybe it's Barack Obama, but look, the
issue is going to be you know, you said it
was either visual or audio. How about financial? Because who
(34:50):
is writing a check to that today? And that's where
the money is going to dry up? And then that
affects all the down ticket races. And you've got Senate
candidates in Ohio and penns Sylvanian Democratic candidates or incumbents
hanging on by their fingernails who are now finding themselves
with they don't want help with an Air Force one arrival.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:41):
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Good morning? Give us a call. One hundred sixty eight
eight ninety five twenty two. Who do you think won
the debate last night? President Biden for President Trump? Tell
me what you think? Shake Ja ninety five twenty two.
Remail me Michael, did iHeartMedia dot com? Who do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm afraid there are? I don't. I don't even think so.
As much as talk radios sometimes stumbled, last night was
an optical audible disaster, or it was the next orchestrated
step in a shadow campaign to re save the democracy again.
(01:22):
You would think if you were prepping him for eight days,
you would have known what America was going to see
and that yet you let them see it. Yet you
begged for this debate for CNN. The eyes of the
world were on CNN's debate, and I think the moderators
performed fairly. Maybe that was a part of the orchestration.
(01:43):
Let whatever that was last night happen, and.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
The total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with
more border control and more.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And then the minute it's over, come back to the
studio and say, somebody needs to call for this president
to step down. He might be replaced. With one hundred
and thirty days to go, this president is clearly too
cognitively impaired to be president.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Eligible for what I've been able to do with the UH,
with the COVID, I was gonna be with dealing with
everything we have to do with Look if we finally beat.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Medicare, and this is the audible portion. I did have
one bad moment, oh boy. And I've seen on social
media people keep showing that one puppet the old man puppet,
and I'm and my son could see that. You know,
(02:42):
I felt sorry for Joe Biden throughout. But you know,
if Joe Biden is the one that's refusing to get
out of the way, well then it's his own doing.
As I mentioned, we've been touring some memory care facilities.
Joe Biden would be in bad shape by those lobby
stand So you know, I don't delight in the misfortune
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of others, but this is our misfortune. Somebody orchestrated and
duped us. And if last night's the first night they
realized it, boy, they had their head in the sand.
I guess no matter how you cut it, the first
presidential debate arguably unlike anything the nation has ever seen before.
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There will be no comparisons, and history will remember this
night probably first and foremost. If, like the rumors stated,
we're and do a debate early before the conventions. And
if you can't perform, if you can't cognitively, you know,
handle himself, then we're going to replace him. Well you
got it, he needs to be replaced. But what if
(03:50):
he refuses to go? So you know, as I said earlier,
kind of teasing our top story, the whole debate is
are they too old to be president? That's down to one.
Only one now was perceived as too old, and it's
Joe Biden. It was Biden who went on the attack,
(04:15):
the character attack, and it played right in in fact,
I don't have those clips to play you back. I
thought that was Donald Trump's best response when he buried
him for Hunter, buried for his involvement in China, buried
him for his involvement in Russia, Russia, Russia, buried him
for constantly trying to use law fair to bring Donald
(04:38):
Trump down because he knows he can't beat me in
an election. I thought Trump's responses there were the best,
But it was Biden who started the attacks in the
CNN presidential debate.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Think of all the civil penalties you got, how many
billions of dollars do you own? Civil penalties for molesting
a woman of public, for doing a whole range of things,
of having sex from a porn star on the night
while your wife was training.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, it's all tough to listen to. The President made
his response very short, two seconds to be exact, I
didn't have sex with a porn star. Number one. He
also the whole thing kind of got you know, it
was Biden that originally off before the debate, challenged Trump.
Donald Trump, when asked about the age question, he basically
(05:24):
made it about, you know, won two club championships, so
golf came up. I disagree with news media saying former
president challenged Biden to a golf match, and it was
Biden originally challenged him. It was Trump acknowledge. This guy
can't play coffee. He couldn't swing, It'd fall down.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I just won two club championships, not even senior, two
regular club championships.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
To do that, you have to be quite smart, and
you have to be able to hit the ball a
long way. And I do it. He doesn't do it.
He can't hit the ball fifty yards. He challenged me
to a golf match. He can't hit the ball fifty yards.
I'm not sure I'd have brought up the word handicap
any time during this debate, but Joe Biden brought up his.
I don't know how many of you believe Joe Biden
is not cognitively impaired after last night, And I certainly
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don't know how many of you believe he's a six handicap.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Look i'd be happy to have a driving contest, and
then Karama, I got my handicapped, which when I was
Vice president down to a six.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And b.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
By the way I told you before, I'm happy to
play golf. If you carry your on bag, I can
do it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't have any idea where that was going. Donald
Trump hit President Barden President Biden hard on immigration. As
many expected. We had the safest border in the history
of our country. Board All he had to do was
leave it. All he had to do is leave it.
Presidentccus Biden of opening up the border.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
He decided to open up our border, open up our
country to people that are from prisons.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Sadly, President Biden tried to defend with old narratives from
twenty twenty when he was president.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He was taking separating babies from my mother's put him
in cages, making sure the families are separated. That's not
the right way to go.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
President Biden and Donald Trump clashed over the topic of abortion.
This is supposedly the big advantage for the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and the
life of the mother.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your heart. Meanwhile,
Joe Biden compared abortion rights to civil rights.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
The idea that states are able to do this is
a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights
back to the states. That each state have.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
A different rule. This is one that might need an interpreter.
Biden says, not having exceptions is just ridiculous. And of
course the present former president Donald Trump just got through
saying he stands for exceptions. He also understands there's some
people that don't. You got to do what you believe,
But that didn't stop Biden from attacking exceptions and not
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having them being ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
There's a lot of young women to be raped by
their in laws, by their spouses by It's just ridiculous,
and they can do nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, you do. January sixth was going to come up,
and President Biden called out Donald Trump for his actions
during the attacks on the Capitol.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
He sat there for three hours, three hours watching begging
being baked by his vice president and a number of
his college and Republican side as well, to do something,
to call for a stop to end it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
This is a narrative that has been not really resolved. Look,
everybody from Nancy Pelosi to Donald Trump knew that there
were some bad elements on the ground on January sixth,
and the event happened anyway. Donald Trump will tell you
all the people came from all over the country. I
felt like I had to visit with him. The Sergeant
(08:47):
of Arms, who is over the Capitol Police and under
the Speaker of the House, went to Nancy Pelosi. She
did nothing to prepare. The President did offer national guard,
no one accepted, including the mirror of the District of Columbia. Now,
is Donald Trump guilty of some comments that some might
(09:11):
perceive as inciting and knowing what he knew when he
was talking, probably should have been avoided to try to
paraphrase this as an armed insurrection when no one was
armed and led by Donald Trump, when it clearly wasn't.
But unfortunately, we live in a matrix, and so for
a good portion of America they hear that see it
(09:33):
as nonsense. For another portion of America they embrace the
narrative and they still see it as truth. But these
are some of the things, because one of the big
big narratives today is oh, yeah, Joe Biden, this guy's
out of it. He's senile, he can't be president. But
Donald Trump's a liar. That's opening the door and setting
it up for whoever Biden's replacement is. I think that's
(09:56):
the game that's being orchestrated. Donald Trump made it very
clear he called for peaceful protesters.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, I didn't say that to anybody.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I said peacefully and patriotically. Weakness in Bold's in Bolden's aggression.
There's no question about it. History proves it. And Donald
Trump called Biden week adding, Putin saw Americans chaotic withdrawal
in Afghanistan, and that's what allowed them, and that's what
empowered them to go on with their invasion in Ukraine
because they didn't fear America.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Our veterans and our soldiers can't stand this guy. They
can't stand him. They think he is the worst commander
in chief, if that's what you call them that we've
ever had.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
They can't stand him. So let's get that straight. And
they liked me more than just about any of them.
President Biden came back with well, Trump encouraged the Russian
president to do whatever he wants.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine. This
guy told Ukraine and told Trump do whatever you want,
and do whatever you want exactly what Trump did to
fut and encourage him, do whatever you want, and he
went in.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Should I play that again? I mean, does that make
any sense? Was he trying to make the point that
Donald Trump encouraged Putin to do whatever he wants? Because
then he talks about Putin telling Trump to do whatever
he wants.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine. This
guy told Ukraine and told Trump do whatever you want
and do whatever you want. And that's exactly what Trump
did to fut and encourage him, do whatever you want.
And he went in.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Or maybe it's Donald Trump that invaded Ukraine. I don't
know anymore. Listen to this. Trump claimed Russia wouldn't have
invaded Ukraine if he had been in office.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
If we had a real president, the president that knew
that was respected by Putin, he would have never he
would have never invaded Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
We could play a million sounds, but this is the
bottom line on the CNN debate. President Biden did more
than just stumble at times audibly and optically sparking. I mean,
that was the spark. They must have been living under
the sand. Concerns among Democrats over his age and ability
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to take on Donald Trump, let alone be president for
four years.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID,
I excuse me with dealing with everything we have.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
To do with.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Look, if we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Just bad moments everywhere. If I had to pick a
worst moment, and when I say worst, I mean saddest.
The son and me, even though he's not my father,
wanted to go on stage and take him somewhere of dignity.
(13:00):
The anger I get is towards our nation being duped
by whoever these behind the scenes forces are. They called
it a shadow campaign to save democracy, but they played
unfair to remove a sitting president and replaced with this,
(13:22):
and they're playing new games today. But on the very
week that Snopes finally debunked the made up Trump statement
in South Carolina, Joe Briden brings up that a statement
as an attack in order to launch into a prepared,
pre prepared attack that struck Jeffrey as kindergarten, struck me
(13:48):
as nursing home. This is the end of the Joe
Biden presidency.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
In ten seconds, I'm standing in this four star in
general and he told me, said, I don't want to
go in there because they're much a loser and suckers.
My son was not a loser. He was not a sucker.
You're the sucker. You're the loser.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And are you only angry because of your son? Never mind,
he didn't say it, but the only thing that would
have angered you is your son is not not a sucker.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Not.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It just seemed. Look, bottom line is optical, audible disaster,
perhaps as the Dems planned so now they can show
him exit stage left for.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Something even more left. This is your Morning Show with
Michael del Choma.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Bill Wrights, all Americans should be I'll use the word
angry with All Americans should be angry with the Democrat
Party and the mainstream media. They have gaslighted us on everything,
the economy, the border. This was the ultimate one. That
Biden is not cognitively impaired. He had a cold. He's
(15:01):
not just too old. He had a cold. Well that
seems to be the game. I mean, I don't think
we need any focus groups. I don't think we need
any polling to help us understand who won the debate
last night. Marty does it in Saint Louis, That's for sure.
This is Marty and Saint Louis.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
After last night's performance, Trump is going to crush the
Democrats in November, no matter who they run.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Uh, not so fast on the no matter who they run,
I would say, on this trajectory, it was already going
bad heading in, it's only going to get worse. Donald
Trump will be the big beneficiary of a slight bump
I would think from this debate. The question is how
big of a bump will RFK get from this debate.
(15:47):
But the game changer would be and I don't know,
they gotta get The parallels of nineteen sixty eight are
very compelling to me, and it suggests a great deal
of unrest. Don't forget in that manifesto the shadow campaign
to save the democracy. Had it not worked, weaponizing COVID,
(16:07):
changing election laws, mail in votes, voter ballot harvesting, had
it not worked, they planned an insurrection and they scrambled
on election night because they were shocked when Biden won
to get the insurrection to stand down. Time Magazine, February fifteenth,
twenty twenty one. This isn't a crazy talk shows, Google
(16:28):
and read it for yourself. One of them is claim
who ended up being the chief of staff they tell
you how they stole the election in twenty twenty, and
it's not the way you've been thinking. But the reality is,
after they got Trump in Biden in, he was supposed
(16:49):
to leave and he refused. Now they're in the same
situation all these years later. Washington Post Biden stumbles in
fight debate. Politico Dems freak out over Biden's debate performance.
Biden is toast the Hill debate highlights Dems in full
(17:11):
panic mode after Biden's stumbling performance. Axios Biden blunders dominate
competitive combative debate with Donald Trump. CNN played it straight
throughout the debate, and then they went right to their
post debate calling for him to step aside. Hi, It's Michael.
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the hour. And this Friday, the twenty eighth of June
of Our Lord, twenty twenty four, and the first presidential
debate was arguably unlike anything the nation has ever seen
or heard before.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
The total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with
more border patrol and more as.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I really don't know what he said at the end
of this, and I don't think he knows what he
said either.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Eligible for what I've been able to do with the
the COVID, I excuse me with dealing with everything we
have to do with Look if we finally beat medicare.
He was standing with this four star in general and
he told me, said, I don't want to go in
there because they're a much a loser of suckers. My
(18:41):
son was not a loser, was not a sucker. You're
the sucker.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You're the loser, and my Scrandon Dad's going to beat
up your scrand and dad no matter, no wonder. We're
working up this morning with the Washington Posts saying Biden's
doubles and fiery debate. Is Trump spreads falsehoods, Fox raspy,
Biden gets off to halting start the Hill. DEM's in
full panic mode after Biden's stumbling performance. Politico Dems freak
(19:05):
out over Biden's debate performance. Biden is toast axios. Biden
blunders dominate compative combative debate with Trump. Look, there's no
question Joe Biden cannot win after that debate performance. Audibly
and optically, it was a disaster. The question is was
it an orchestrated, planned one for the very purposes of
(19:27):
replacing him? But one thing's for sure. Aaron Real is
joining us our national correspondent for your morning show. I
don't I mean I saw Kamala Harris tried, and Gavin
Newsom tried. There's not many people trying to spin this debate.
America could kind of see it for what it was.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Yeah, I think that this was very, very hard to
watch for many people. It doesn't feel good watching stuff
like this. Cringe has been a word that's described it,
which frankly is an overused word right now. But yes,
a lot of people did watch it. We don't have
exact numbers yet, but six and ten. According to the
Associated Press, you as adults said that they were going
to watch.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
But what's interesting, While we don't like naval gazing in
the media, we do it a lot. We talk about ourselves.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
But you kind of have to look at the structure
of this one because since the nineteen eighties, the Commission
on Presidential Debates has run things. It is a nonprofit
Democrat and Republican Party brainchild.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Not last night.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
It was CNN's event last night, through and through from
like where the cameras pointed to when they cut the mics,
to who they were distributed to competitor wise, and to
who they withheld it from. But if there is one
thing I can say about this debate, said, if you're
looking for a winner, no one is talking about Jake
Tapper or Dana Bash this morning the event moderators, which
(20:41):
is probably a sign they did their job.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, I mean, there were a couple moments where, first
of all, this cannot be said enough. Everything we're doing
this morning is playing in the audio. It's painful to watch.
I had shared. I like the looking at the naval line.
My look at the naval was we've been and touring
memory facilities, for Andrea's mother, and they're not easy to tour.
(21:05):
These are loving, compassionate people providing care. But these people are,
you know, in bad shape, and when you see them,
you know, at one point they were kids playing in
a field, they were young businessmen, you know, and they're
out of it. Now. That's what this looked like. It
was sad to watch, and the anger needs to be
directed towards a Democrat party and a bias mainstream media
(21:26):
that's been trying to sell you in duping you that
this guy hasn't been cognitively impaired all along. So now
suddenly everybody sees it for what it is. But it
was optically even worse. I mean, the way he entered
the worst moment nobody would probably talk about today when
they cut back to CNN, because everybody had to use
CNN's television video and audio if you were watching CNN
(21:48):
as they were cutting back to set up their narrative,
which was, this guy's got to go. Democrats are panicking everywhere,
money people, strategists, they're all trying to figure out how
to get this guy off the ticket, as if it
was orchestrated. But while that was going on, you could
see Donald Trump just left. Joe Biden was stuck at
the podium, and eventually, if you go back and watch
(22:10):
the video, you'll see Jill Biden come out, grab him
by the hand, take him to the moderators. He wasn't
even talking to the moderators, Jill was. I mean, it
was sad. It was as bad as it is audibly.
It was an optical nightmare. I will sing you and
this could be part of the orchestration. The moderators played
it straight. I don't think the people back at the
(22:31):
studio did. And it started to feel very orchestrated to me.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
You bring up a great point.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
The non verbals last night, just like the freeze, fream,
the split screen, the facial expression.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
It like you.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Said, you know, you were touring facilities and a lot
of people thought.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Of their nana and they love their nana.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
And this isn't even a dig It's just the reality
the situation is.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
Yeah, it's a little bit sad. And then beyond that,
if this was set.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Up, if you just look at the structure of this
how it is owned by one for profit corporation, which
by the way, excluded independent candidate RFK, even though he
met all the requirements to be on that stage.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And I warned he might be the big winner for
not being there, and he still may.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Yeah, what's yes exactly.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
But beyond that, if both Trump and Biden agreed to this,
you know, if it was an act of a collusion
between the two established parties, if they both agreed to
this under the assumption that, you know, if anything went wrong,
Trump could say, oh, well it was CNN. It was
a hitch hob and then if Trump Biden had friendly
fire coming at him in the form of CNN.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Frankly, what I think we saw last night was.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
That when CNN cut Trump's mic, it actually made him
look more cogent and less bellicos It helped him.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
And then when he let go, they started rambling.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And remember how many times they go, you have sixty
eight seconds left, and then he goes, yeah, yeah, look yeah,
but no, but I think they saved him a couple
of times cutting away. But you know, they would cut
off the split screen because when Trump would be talking,
he was just going places in his mind. I think.
But no, you bring up the word hit job. I
want to zoom in on that, Eric, because if this
(24:09):
was a hit job, it was a hit job by
the Democrat operatives against the sitting Democrat president who refused
to leave after he got in office and might be
refusing to leave now. And I think CNN was look
at the end of the day, it was the Democrats
that arranged this debate. They had to know he wasn't
up to it. For eight days they've been preparing him.
(24:29):
They had to know he wasn't up to it. This
was orchestrated. If there was a hit job, it was
on Biden by his own people, right.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
And that's such an aggressive term. I shouldn't have view that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
This that I am Italian, I should have been offended.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
But the point I'm trying to make here is that.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You really thought that this was going to play out
a certain way, but it ended up helping both candidates.
When they cut Trump's mic, he didn't, he didn't go
on these rants that makes him look like a bully
and so so aggressive, and he couldn't. And then Biden,
they gave him the freedom to keep going. He rambled
into incoherence and so like whatever the intention was, or
(25:07):
at least assumed to be, I don't know how Macavelian
this is.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Irons are in the fire from different establishments, but what
was very clear was the winner and the loser last night.
And again we're not talking about the moderators this morning,
which means they did a solid job because.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh, CNN's a big winner in this. Don't forget. Everybody
was carrying it with their logo and their room filled
with logos, you know, so they and they played it
straight and then you know, they afterwards, you know, called
for him to step down as president. So whether it
was orchestrated or not, it was an optical and audible disaster.
The question is is there another step to this orchestration
(25:49):
in their endeavor to continue their shadow campaign to say
the democracy. We suspect this will be historic rating numbers.
I mean, imagine there's some people left hoping nobody was watching.
Don't count on it exactly.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
We will get some numbers, the early numbers later today,
but we're going to get full ratings on this in
the very near future. The flashpoles quickly gave us the
answer of who won or loss. We've been hearing from
focus groups as well, which are I think the focus
groups are so telling because so many of them were
like oh, I didn't know. Is this bad, like this
idea that it's not even it's not aggressive, They're not
(26:24):
they don't have a dog in this fight essentially other
than being American citizens. And the shock from a lot
of focus groups this morning is pretty fascinating. So I
will be keen to see how many numbers. But I
don't think. I don't know where the DNC goes from here.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I totally die. I guess you could hate Donald Trump
so much, or feared Donald Trump so much that you've
been living with your hands over your eyes. I don't
know how anybody could have been shocked last night by
how cognitively impaired this present is. You just haven't been
looking with a clear lens. But that's what makes me
feel like I know you need to run. Thanks Saren
for your insights, but no, I think that's what makes
(26:59):
me feel like this has been very orchestrated. Because they
look at CNN alone, they made sure it was on
every network. There were some people that wouldn't have watched it.
They'd have watched whoever Fox had on, or they'd have
watched whoever MSNBC had on. No, they made sure it
was on every network. So You couldn't miss it knowing
what you were going to see was a cognitively impaired
(27:21):
individual and capable of being president of the United States.
I don't think it's a bad word. This was a
hit job, a hit job by all the player. Look
what was the hit job in twenty twenty the Shadow
Campaign to Save the Democracy, which you can read for yourself,
Time Magazine, February fifteenth, twenty twenty one. It's their manifesto.
(27:42):
We controlled the narratives because we controlled the media. We
silenced any opposing views, because we controlled technocracy and we
controlled social media. We weaponized COVID, we changed election laws,
we harvest ballots, and we stole the election in swing states.
It was orchestra with the media and the Democratic operatives.
(28:04):
This was orchestrated by the media and Democrat operatives. The
Democrat Party arranged this debate without the Presidential Commission in
a silent studio in Atlanta, made sure it was on
every network for everyone to see. The president is senile.
I'm not being mean and I'm not making fun. You
(28:26):
were duped when they got him in office. They were
duped when he refused to leave after getting an office
and right now we're being duped in what was orchestrated
last night. Now the question is on, like sixty four
days into this presidency, can they get Joe Biden to
pull an LBJ and step aside? Because if everything up
till now has been orchestrated, the next move has been
(28:46):
orchestrated too. You just haven't seen it yet. And if
you've been falling for everything else, you're gonna fall for
it too. This is long way from over. In fact,
like nineteen sixty eight, the fun is just getting started.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I'm letting mcgil McGill's world famous block store and my
morning show is your Morning Show with Michael Bell Jordan.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
The morning after the debate. I'm thinking of a scene
in Apollo thirteen where Gene Krantz everything's going wrong with
Apollo thirteen and he just stops everything. He says, all right,
from an operational standpoint, let's look at it this way.
What's working on this on this ship. That's what it
feels like waking up this morning. It was a disaster
(29:33):
for Joe Biden. The Biden ability to win this election
ended last night. It was an optical, audible disaster. The
only thing that's question in question is was it too
orchestrated to arrive at this point? This is a Joe
Biden that probably wouldn't leave when he was asked to
leave after getting elected, and now they need him to
(29:55):
step down and pull an LBJ. Will he refuse again?
And if he does, even they can orchestrate what's their
best bet moving forward? Michelle Obamagavin News some Kamala Harris
try to get RFK back. That's kind of where the discussions,
the headlines speak for themselves. Nobody is debating who won
the debate. Biden stumbles in fiery debate Washington Post, Politico,
(30:17):
Dems freak out Biden's debate performance, Biden's toast The Hill
Dems in full panic after Biden stumbles in performance, Axios.
Biden blunders dominate combative debate with Trump. Rory. I'm going
to do this from a Gene Krantz perspective, because I
know you love NASA. From an operation roy onill from
an operational standpoint, What went well for Joe Biden? What
(30:40):
do the Democrats have moving forward? Anything?
Speaker 5 (30:44):
He was actually pretty good at the after party, although
I don't know why they called it an after party.
Maybe an Irish wake, maybe a better title for it,
But actually, if you watch the clips, he was actually
much better at that event than he was during the
debate itself.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
There's not much to hang your hat on from what
he did last night.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
We talked earlier, I had called this the NASCAR debate, right,
we'd all be tuning in to see the crash and
get crashed eleven minutes in nine eleven nine one one
Eastern time, disaster struck.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't know which one we would say was disastered.
There were several disastrous moments. I actually think before that,
walking on, he did look very steady, But from there
it only got one.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
The total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with
more border control and more.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I really don't know what he says at the end
of this sentence.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't think he knows what he said either, And
it got worse from there.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
And if you look, if you were to read a
transcript of this debate, not the audio, not the visuals,
Donald Trump didn't have a stellar performance either. He failed
to answer questions about getting drug treatment programs off the ground.
He didn't have an answer for a question about trying
to lower the cost of childcare you know he had.
He was serving up plenty of words salad, and then
(32:03):
in addition to some whoppers of truth exaggerations, is a
polight waves hey. So it wasn't a great performance on
his part, but he looked the part, sounded the part,
and that certainly made him the winner.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
If I had to sit down, Let's say I was
so rooting for Donald Trump, and I was praying and wishing,
I'd say, as many times as you can bring things
back to the border, as many times as you can
bring things back to the economy, as many times as
you can bring things back to the filed foreign policy,
that he did with a plus plus. What do you
(32:38):
think of the moderators? I thought they would look. I
think that I'm suspicious that's part of the orchestration. Look,
the Dems begged for this, CNN got it. They got
it on every network, so you know you're gonna have
record ratings. There was no missing this debate. Somebody wanted
you to see Joe Biden for what he is, a
(32:59):
disaster optically and audibly, So I think that was part
of it. Play it straight. I thought the moderators did great,
but then they go right back to the CNN studio
after the debate and they're all calling for Biden to
step down. So to me, it all felt very orchestrated.
But if you're gonna ask me that question, I thought
they did a fine job. There were a couple of
things where they were trying to save Biden. Take them
(33:19):
off split screen when the optical was way worse than
the audio. Opt you bring up the transcript, which is brilliant,
but optically that was painful to watch. Pain I mean
a week at Camp David.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
You couldn't stick him out in the sun for ten
minutes and give him a little color.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean, it was all He looked terrible.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
You know, Donald Trump is coming out full orange, which
in those bright white lights all faded out, and he
looked like he just walked off the golf course. So
he Donald Trump looked the part much more than Joe Biden,
who looked like the cryptkeeper.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think optically Trump wins. Audibly, Trump wins. The bigger
thing is it's such a disaster. Was it orchestra I mean, look,
they planned this debate, They've been training, they've been prepped
him for eight days.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
This.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I used to say this to board operators. You know,
if somebody's spot isn't in by close of business, why
doesn't anybody catch it? Why do you wait for tomorrow
morning for the bomb to go off? Somebody wanted us
to see this last night. It really felt you're not
going there with me. But I sense something very orchestrated.
I don't. I don't give anyone that much credit. If
(34:25):
they are going to try to make a move, he's
got to be the one to step.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Down, right right, Yeah, you can't kick him out. He's
got a volunteer to step down on his own. So
that's obviously a high bar. And that's going to be
doctor Jill Biden really trying to convince him to finally
make the move. Maybe it's Barack Obama, but look, the
issue is going to be you know, you said it
was either visual or audio. How about financial? Because who
(34:50):
is writing a check to that today? And that's where
the money is going to dry up? And then that
affects all the down ticket races. And you've got Senate
candidates in Ohio and penns Sylvanian Democratic candidates or incumbents
hanging on by their fingernails who are now finding themselves
with they don't want help with an Air Force one arrival.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
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