March 2, 2023 • 41 mins
Bethenny absolutely admits that something she did to Morgan in the past calls for an apology. But is that enough for her to actually do it?
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Morgan Stewart is a model, actress, reality star, television host,
and entrepreneur and a sport for coming onto a show
because I kind of hazed to her a little bit
years ago on my failed talk show about being on
a show called Rich Kids of Beverly Hills. So I
give her credit for coming on. Her career took off
as a star on the E reality series Rich Kids
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of Beverly Hills. A life like that certainly must come
with its stereotypes. But we sit down to discuss the
details of her journey from her own perspective, this is
just be with Morgan Stewart. So I don't know if
I do, but I keep saying to myself, I think
I owe her an apology because I've never gone back
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and watched the time that you were on the talk show.
But I know the tone from either like rumblings or
I don't know why I think that, like that I
gave you guys too hard a time. And I'm not
even gonna say that. I'm not going to make an
excuse that producers do prep you and say this is
like this revolting show about all these rich kids, because
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I hadn't seen the show, right you get these papers
as you know, hi, and these are these kids that
are these rich kids, and it's there, and I guess,
you know, the producers wanted there to be like this
salacious segment and so and I guess, to be perfectly honest,
a show called Rich Kids of Beverly Hills does sound
partially vile. So I came on and I think I
don't remember what, but I remember there being a you
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being the blonde, pretty cute girl on the end, and
your boyfriend at the time seemed like this, like a
bossy Beverly Hills, half a nice kid, half a douchebag,
and like, okay, So I apologize if I was like
better than or a bitchy or whatever. I whatever you
perceived me to have been, me to have really been. Well.
First of all, I appreciate you even saying that, and
I actually I watched it back not too long ago,
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and I welcomed but I was so self aware and
I think we all were that we kind of welcomed
that interaction with the audience as well, because of course
the name was vile. The name was sprung up on
us last minute. Nobody no mind onto that show, being
like we're signing on Rich Kids of Everything Hill Games
a titled project, so I remember almost my takeaway from
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that experience was feeling invigorated, like I'm not the person
you think I am. Let's watch the show. Obviously, to
use your word, it was a little violent times and
a little bit obnoxious, of course, but I definitely felt
like my reaction might have shifted post leaving your set,
because I think the people around us, who were kind
of our caretakers of the day were like, let's go.
That was just not what we expected, and then I was, oh,
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it wasn't. But then I was like, bring it on,
like we have to kind of be aware that this
is going to be the reaction of like the average
American person. So it wasn't all terrible, I get it.
But what show was I on? Nice poets of demoies?
I know, but Real Housewives versus Rich Kids is not
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you don't know the name, but I'm talking about the
actual show. I didn't see your show, but I don't
know how much more disgusting it could have been than
what's going on right now in Housewives. I can't imagine. Yeah,
it was, it's definitely different, but yes, I get what
you're saying, Okay, so I get what you're saying too,
and I appreciate it. And you know, nobody's gonna accuse
me of not being edited or filtered. So no, um,
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all right, so we met then, and you know, but
it was on for four seasons, like that's not nothing.
Now that I you know, have institutional knowledge about that
sort of thing, that's not nothing. So it was a
success by everyone's standards, I guess. So. I mean the
whole time we filmed the show, the network kind of
played that game, which I mean, you guys probably never
had because the show's so massively successful. But with us,
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it was like, I don't know if it's gonna be
another season. The ratings are, you know, five hundred thousand
now they're getting like nobody. I was like, oh, I
don't think I never felt Looking back now, I'm like you, oh,
the show was a success. During it, we never were
made to feel like it was doing well. We never
had an audience. I had literally I got married on
the show to my ex husband, and we had like
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a million overnights that is, as you know, like unheard
of for e right now. No, that's amazes And I
remember them pulling and being like or you know what
it was? Sorry, it was like nine hundred and fifty thousand,
and they were like, but you just you didn't hit
a million. No, but that's I'm so glad you're bringing
this up because when we back in the dark ages
and I was on reality television and we didn't even
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have Twitter in the beginning, so and I was instrumental
in this, they would not They didn't give us the ratings.
That was not something we got. For several seasons, we
didn't get the ratings. It wasn't something it was emailed.
And I remember going all the way up to the
heads and saying like why are we playing hide and seek?
Like why don't you send you know, we had to
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fish and find them and look it up on the
internet and find it from other people's and these sites
that Bravo would say aren't real and we'd find it
on the press or some other way for years, and
there was no way to negotiate because you didn't know
what anything meant, and you didn't know what even ratings meant.
But they never told us, like the ratings, that there
were ratings. We were dumbess, you were dumbbies. So Finally
after years and it was the second time I came back.
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I think, unless I don't think I'm mixing No, I'm
not mixing stories. I would say, why don't you send
us once a week in email saying this is the ratings,
and also if we've done well, why don't you tell
us we've done well? Which never really happened because they
always want to keep you down. It wasn't like, why
don't you say, hey, this is great? Yeah, yeah, no, no, No,
that's negotiation tactics. That's why they don't send you ratings
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because if your ratings or that's why they I think
it's almost legally now that they have to. Yeah, but
when your children or whatever, you don't know what a
good rating is. So I was like, God, this show
is just not making it. Looking back, the dumbest thing
they could have done for their network, not for my life,
was canceled that show. Oh, Fair, Fair It could have
gone forever, it could have they that was like the
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last show that had legitimate ratings. I hate to I'm
not shitting on E, but I'm just saying, like, no,
it's interesting, that's interesting. Yeah. I didn't even think of
it that because it could have been it's a franchise.
It could have been rich kids of everything, just like
Sunset selling everything funny that I didn't I didn't think
of that. So um, but I don't think I know.
I know there's a girl only because I think she's
friends with Kyle and I've seen her on social media,
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Dorothy Wang. I don't know what she does, but she
seems to be a big personality. And I don't know
who else was on that show. So did anybody else
break out? Because it feels like when I think of you,
I think about there was a bachelorette that really broke
out and she did a lot of work. I think
her name was Ali maybe for a while, she did
a lot of work, and I always noticed that she
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really got a lot of h got a lot of
hosting gigs and things. And I think about Kristin Cavalery,
who really, you know, broke out. I mean, I know
Lauren did too, but in a different way way, less
like a company like making money behind the scenes way. Yeah,
and Kristin did that too, but I get the sense
that she's more socially relevant than the company is, like
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blowing it out, but I actually know, um, yeah, I
get that sense. So what about you, So did you
have well did you did you think I'm gonna make
this into something I'm gonna be playing chess? Did you
think or did you just get lucky after? Like? Or
do you you hard? I think I think I knew
before the show, like I always wanted to do something
like that, I not not be on a reality show,
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but be successful. And just the fact that I was
always engaging in pretty funny and outspoken, and my personality
was like my real my only real gift. So I
was like, it's gonna be in some sort of format
of television. I just knew that was going to happen.
And we had tried actually before Rich Kids with another
company and nothing ever came a bit, and then when
Rich Kids happened, I just knew, I don't know, it
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was gut instinct. I knew something was going to come after.
And so I did the four seasons, and I treated
it like a job the whole time, like I was
very serious about it. I knew that like I was
going to be on time. I didn't think I was
important or special, Like I knew that this moment could
be gone in two seconds. So um, I think I
had a pretty good reputation behind the scenes, which you know,
is like important people didn't want to deal with your
pain in the ass. So I went into that at
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twenty six like knowing, Okay, you can't be an asshole.
This is serious. And then towards the end of Rich Kids,
E came to me separately and was like, look, we
really want to explore for the relationship with you. We
think you have something like let's see what that is.
And once the show ended, I signed a deal with
them to work at the actual network and I did
some digital stuff and that kind of snowballed into doing
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Daily Pop for them because Kat Sadler coincidentally decided to leave,
so there was a spot opening, so you know, and
it was on the Daily Pop. Yeah, I was the
host of show, and even the executive producer of Daily
Pop was like, I'm never going to have this fucking
girl on, like she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.
And it just worked out. So then I did Daily
Pop and then they wanted to do a nighttime show
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and they were actually outsourcing comedians, like they were looking
they were scouting for someone else to host it, and
I went into the office. I was like, nobody's going
to host a show with me. This is why you
brought me here, Like I need to host this nighttime show.
This is my long term goal. That was always the goal,
and that worked out as well. So I just ended
that in November after five years. So I was there.
So when you start walked in, you were like at
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E all the time, and like the way it is
on the show with Katherine Heigel, you were like going
down the hall to the office like so I once
I was finishing Rich Kids nin up. I'm referring to
right right when she's pregnant the whole time, and they're
like what ye No, So they offered me a contract
post Rich Kids, and that was like a basically like
a nine to five, like you're gonna work here, you're
gonna really yeah, and you're gonna do digital content and
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we're gonna see if this even works out, we'll see interesting.
And so I did that and that one year deal
turned into six years. So I gather knowing the powers
that be and knowing the genre. Yeah, you did definitely
didn't make a lot of money at Rich Kids at all.
I could literally bull's eye what you made and it's
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it's like everyone thinks you're rich because ironically you're a
rich kid, but you're not a rich kid from that
show and e two, So you're thinking about how you're
going to monetize it in the bigger picture. And did
you grow up was it more like they marketed you
as that or did you grow up a very wealthy
person by the nation standard? Yes, but by Beverly Hill standards. Yeah, No,
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I grew up really, I grew up comfortable. It definitely
was not on the level of billions of dollars. Dorothy,
who was my friend and castmate, was like the wealthy
by like global standards. So that's what I was at, okay,
And that was really sort of why I was. We
were all at the beginning taken aback by sort of
the title, because I was like, you're putting us all
in a position now where we sort of have to
like uphold this sort of not facade but just embellished,
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like I am not like you weren't flying private and
driving a bell no, no, no no, And like at
that point, I feel like, now you mean this is
going to invite me mask but like Private seems to
be a lot more excessive I was literally what I
was saying too. I was going to say, like back
when I went rich when we were kids, what other
people were is not not what goes on now. Well,
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so there's rich and then there's rich. The people all
the people on the Housewives are not like real rich,
real there's they're they're rich and a lot of them
are faking and renting and all the bullshit, and that's
happened across and bankruptcying. But like, fuck you crazy rich
in Beverly Hills is astronomical and that's why I was.
And also to simplify it, the best way you can
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put it is those people are not on TV exactly.
Thank you. Okay, so your parents, you have brothers and sisters.
What's your brother my Yeah, so my I have an
older brother, but we have different dads. But so my
mom was married before had my brother. He's seven years older.
And and your your your parents are not together. My
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parents are together. They go, oh, that's from her other marriage.
Your parents aren't together, Okay, and they're still they're they're
those weird people that love each other and have breakfast, lunch,
and dinner together and that's weird. Yeah, they're they're they're
they're the happy there. It's like forty five years together
now or something by three years. Susanne Summers is weird
like that, Like they work together together all day and
her husband, they live for each other. I'm like, please
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don't tell me anymore. Um So, and you're close with them.
I'm very close with both my parents. I'm like, I
talked to my mom all day every day. My dad
and I are very close, and we're close in different ways.
But that is the one thing that I think that
has stood out for me my whole life. Like I
got really lucky in that sense. Like they are we
are just a little threesome. That's weird to say, but
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we're a team a pot. Yes. And they're quote unquote normal.
They're civilians. They're not like entertainment Hollywood type people, not
at all totally normal. My dad worked in Beverly Hills.
He was a builder, architect, and my mom is actually
from Switzerland, so she's very normal and like all of
the things that I have that I credit to being
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like somewhat of a stand up human and know what's
going on is because of her, for sure. Okay, and
so you were married for a minute to the guy
on the show, and did the show helped propel that,
like it all sounded good and exciting and things were happening,
because because I've been through that and it's a train
and you think you can't get off and everybody's expecting
it and it's a terrible thing. Also, I don't know
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how your experience is, but then you also like it
is something you really want in that moment. So if
it's not for me, looking back, we had we were
together for six years. We had a really wonderful relationship.
I can't say anything but nice things about him. He
truly is a nice person. I definitely think probably more
on his end, they were like, well, what's going to happen,
Like what's going on with the next season? Like are
you proposing? And I think wanted to do I think
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he would have had he not proposed, we probably would
have broken up a year later. Do you know what
I mean? Interesting? Yeah, but I'm saying these TV shows
do it's just dad water. You don't realize and it
at all is fun. Like let's put it this way.
I never really go anywhere and I never really like
wear anything. I just have all this stuff that I
look at because I'm just a real, very very serious homebody,
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not like a thing I just say to be cute.
It's very serious. I could go days and not leave
the house. I do go to days and not leave
the house. So when I was on the Housewives, it
was great for me in a sense because it gave
me a reason to like put on clothes and pretend
that I like doing and go somewhere and I was
really going somewhere, and I like, I would never entertain,
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for example, but then because of the show I would entertain.
I would have like people overseer double dipping. Oh, I'm
using that living room in that gorgeous house I have,
So it's real, but it's because of the show. So
I'm saying, you're doing these things that are like meta
because the show is having this happen, and you're having
this happen, and it becomes more exciting and like it's insular.
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You're like in a tunnel where you're like, this is
of course supposed to be the next step, and yeah,
of course they're all real, but it is being motivated
by the larger pick. That's what I'm saying. It's like shinier,
It's like shinier and more accentuated. And it's true it is,
But if the cameras weren't happening and this experience wasn't happening,
it wouldn't be the same. It's like if the tree
fell and no one heard it, it it would be different.
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That's what I was trying to say. Yeah, no, you're
completely right. I think that for my particular experience, like
the goal was always to get married prior to the
show or any influence, let's say, influence from the show.
I just think that if the show wasn't happening, maybe
it wouldn't have happened at that particular moment. But then
I look back and I was very much like, well,
when are we getting engaged? Because if we're not getting
get it, it's all it's a whole whirlpool of just
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like craziness. Exactly the relationship. The way I can look
at it was, Yes, I think it was perpetuated by
the next step was perpetuated maybe the timing by the show,
but we definitely that was our intention the whole time.
And yeah, and it was supposed to end like it
wasn't supposed to be my long term life marriage, right,
But also it's hard to see things as they really
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are while you're in that frenzy, so like the show
is not happening, and then you like look at your
life as it really is without this this, you know,
with some structure and normalcy. Yeah, so the Daily Pops stopped,
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they canceled it. They stopped both it was called Daily
Pop and then Night Pop. They ended both of those
in October. Oh it's recently. Okay, it was like three
years ago, but it wasn't. And so yeah, I did
that for I was there for five years total, and
then I did another I did a show called Necessary
Realness for them, which was online, and then I did
another snapchat show with them called What the Fashion. So
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I did four shows for them over the five years.
And you're still connected to them or like what do
you so? What are you doing now? And what do
you want to be doing? And I got my last
check from them like two weeks ago, Okay, not connected
to them at all. And then I'm working on a product,
like another TV show, another project I definitely want to
continue working. But also the schedule I had working at
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E was I mean it was hardcore. I mean I
had to get up at five every single day I
was there day. I had to be there at five
to thirty five forty five six for hair makeup. Like
it was so full on that it was. It was.
It was five days a week. It also never stopped.
They didn't break for holidays. Christ It was three sixty five,
so you know, most shows film for the year and
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then they stopped for the summer. This was not. This
was year round. So it was very interesting because it's
like an archaic model. It's almost like you're like the
studio owns, you know what I mean, Like you're attached
to a studio, so you have a salary, but you're
doing shows. It's just like a different model. It's so
and I literally coming off that ride. I mean it
took me like two months to even get like I
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was so beyond fatigue and didn't even realize, Ah, that's nice,
that's nice to like let it go and you're probably
still coming down. It's not that it's like completely after
having a baby, you're not really normal for a while.
A long time. I had two babies in two years.
I was still working throughout both babies. It was wild times.
So how old are your kids now? So my daughter
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is going to be two tomorrow and my son is
going to be one on Friday, So that that's insane.
Oh it was insane because a lot of guilt, a
lot of torn it was Yeah, I mean I was
like just all of it was. I mean, getting pregnant
that fast was just the most shocking thing that I
think happened. And they're literally a year and a day apart. Wow, Wow,
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that's you done, so done, beyond done? Yeah, cooked done.
And what's your your husband's name is I'm sorry, it's
Jordan or okay because I wouldn't want to mix it
with a X. So your husband's name is Jordan and
he's in the entertainment industry. Also yeah, well he's a musician,
so yeah, I guess so yeah, okay, And does he
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go on tour and he's got his own crazy life
Boes on tour has done tours like last I think
last year he was on tour, he went out with
the Jonas brothers. He opened up for them, which is amazing.
So that was crazy. So then I was like with pregnant,
with one baby brought the other baby was with him,
Like I moved to New York for three weeks to
kind of like houb out of there go. It was
a little it's been a lot the last few years,
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it sounds like it, and so he can't say he doesn't.
Did he look at you like, what the hell are
you doing with all this with these two with the
two kids and with the schedule or no, because he's
living a crazy life too, like are you both? I
think he was really supportive, and I think he knows
how important it is for me as a human being
to work, like I just am not that person. There's
absolutely no shame in being to stay at home mother.
I think, noel to be with your children if you
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want to do that all day. I just know for
me being the best version of myself, I have to
have something to do. Even yeah, I just I mean
even like my days, I'm like, I'm just like in
the same yoga pants every day because I'm like, there's
nowhere for me to really be in That lack of
purpose kind of sends me on a bit of a
I'm in it. I'm much older than you, but I'm
in that stage. I have a very big business and
a lot of stuff going on, but I am in
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that stage. But you'll get to that stage where you
don't really want, like you don't even know that you want.
You want like the slightest bit of purpose, but you
don't want that much purpose. Yeah, Like it's it'll come,
and it'll you'll remember that I said this to you
because it will be very unique. You'll have been on
the treadmill and knowing how it feels to be exhausted,
but then sort of want to get on again or
a different treadmill. Then you'll get to a point where
you're like, I really just don't want to be on
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any treadmill. It's really interesting because you gotta get to fifty.
And then you'll say, but we have ways for that.
So so you're with Jordan. How did you guys meet?
We actually dated. We dated ten years ago for the
first time, so before I met my last husband. We
were together for a year and a half. We lived together.
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He was actually dating a friend of mine and then
they we weren't that close. I told her straight up.
It was one of the most awkward conversations. I was like, listen,
this is weird, but we're gonna go for this, and
we did for a year and a half. We broke up,
did not keep in touch at all. I randomly, why
did you break up? We just were young and it
just wasn't too much. It was just too much. We're
just children, and so, you know, we did not keep
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in touch whatsoever. And most of the boyfriends that I
had prior to him, like all went to Beverly High
and all kind of you know, were between Cannon and
Beverly Drive, and I saw everybody every single day. He
was like the first boyfriend I had that Like, we
dated for the year and a half. We broke up.
That was it. And I randomly kind of kept in
touch with his older brother here and there for random things,
and then I would see his parents around and we
kind of had like a connection somehow. And then I
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got married and then divorced and he was in a
long term relationship and then he kind of literally DMed me.
He was like hi, and I was like, I'm not
a fucking moron, Like I'm not going you're doing whatever
you're doing, You're traveling, like I am getting into how
do you know everything he's doing. I just knew through
the grape vine, but you just really hadn't seen him
at all for years. Nothing. I had seen him at
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his brother randomly invited me and my ex husband to
a white party they were having like three years prior,
and I saw him for two seconds and I went
up to be like, hi, how are you? And he
was so like not that friend, and he's like hey,
and I was like, oh, okay, well, but let me
does he everyone knows each other in that small world.
And so, and he's doctor Drew's son. No, doctor Phil's son. Sorry,
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he's I know doctor Drew. And I like that. I
love Doctor Drew. I will Yeah, he's amazing. So he's
doctor Phil's son. Yeah. So he's got a little swag,
he's got game. I assume I'm gonna look him up.
I assume he's good looking. So does he have a look?
Does he Does he have game? And that like you
know what I mean, Like he thinks he's he's hot
and he's a musician. He's a little bit of a
hot stepper. There's literally no, there's no duche tree to
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this one. He's like funny, dirty, sweet, like very yeah
he looks like that. Yeah, got it, okay, and most
importantly like quite intelligent. Okay, so no dishbaggery. And he
dms you. So he just was intrigued yeah, just was like,
what's up, how's it going. We chatted for a few months,
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and then I ended up seeing him in New York
like twenty nineteen, and I literally didn't even want to go.
I'm like, I'm not even going to do this. Well
exact way to go get a drink, and it was
you weren't doing it. I was dumb. There's nothing going
to end in anything. I was like, I'm not gonna
go through. Like I'm going through enough right now. I
don't need to deal with that. So I saw him there,
we hung out. It was like fine, we continued, he
continued to chat. It was Mexico. Then I went to
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Mexico for New Year's he was still on tour. I
slammed my hand in the door randomly. It was like
one of those doors where you slide, and then the
other one came sliding, so I had to go to
hospital her. And then I was really at a breaking
point and I was like, what is this year? This
is so fucked, Like just let me live for five minutes. Yeah,
and then he sent flowers to Mexico because you were
heard in my hand and I was like, that's kind
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of like serious. That was December, and then he came back.
We hung out for January, and then the world got
shut down. That's how long ago that this too? I
don't the time. I think that's anything same the start
of three years ago now, I mean, okay, okay, you know,
I literally Paul could do that was ninety two. That
was seventy. I don't know what year, what year it is,
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I don't know twenty seventeens, so I don't that was
three years ago. Okay, got it. I'm the exact same way.
It's funny, but that's my only frame of reference. And
then January we were kind of like living together. I
had an apartment and by May we what do you
mean January were living together? A head apart said, this
was December, December, I was on vacation. He sent me flowers.
We got back from the trip, he got back from tours.
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Through January, we were like hanging out. I had an apartment.
We were like he was living at the at a hotel.
And then he rented a house because he was selling
his house, and I basically ended up moving into that house,
still going home, but spending most of my time. This
is when and you're a single human being you're young,
you've got fucking rich, hot musician, and you're gonna do
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this for the pandemic. I love this, and I we
at this point, we didn't know the pandemic was going
to be the pandemic. So I was very much like,
I pay for my own rent, I pay for my
own clothes, I pay for my own health injurance. I
am an independent woman. I am not gonna like get
swept up in this. I still pay. So I made
a rule to like sleep home for a few nights
a week, and that lasted about a month and then
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January were fully fully living together at that point. In March,
and then by May we were pregnant stop first child.
What my birthdays made me? Second? Oh, in my for
the first the first time we ever had unprotected sex,
the first ever. This is like knocked up. That's hysterical
(24:53):
that you worked at EAT because you're live like this
is knocked up, except that he's not. You like it,
you love him, but they left the that's hilarious. Wow, Okay, Yeah,
and then July we got engaged. December we got married.
I gave birth in February, and then we did it
all again because in May again, I got pregnant. I
hadn't even had I mean, this is I don't know
(25:13):
how much we can say on the show. I hadn't
even had like a full period. I mean, you know
you made your Yeah, it worked and may it was
my birthday again. I guess that's when we do things.
And literally I found out when I was eight weeks.
He's like, don't don't make a joke. It's positive. We
know you're just feeling like shit, it's final, You're right.
I looked away for one second on that test. One
(25:34):
second I was like and it said and I literally
could not move for three minutes. And I went to
the doctor and she literally said to me, your dude,
date is February seventeenth. My daughter's due date was February fourteenth.
I had her on the sixteenth, so they are I
had him on the seventeenth, so they are one year
and one day. It's like jippy life, like you must
be saying, so exhausted. I think it's great that this
(25:57):
all like like this ended this anything for a moment,
you need a breath because you'll has you can't get
out with that pay in the bill. It will come
some other place that insane. Okay, So you're that's amazing, okay,
And you have a good relationship and a good kids.
How do you stay connected with all these parts? Because
I am in a relationship with someone who lives in
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a different state and it and it works. It works
because there comes a time when you're honest about like,
not what a relationship should be, but what a relationship
actually is, and that if you're a person who really
likes your own time. And I used to not even
know that I wanted to have my own time in
a relationship because I just I didn't have the same
career and the same kids. So it was always what
(26:40):
are we doing? What do we do? I have? So
I have one life with my child, I have one
life with Paul and the blending I have one and
I have one life with my work and one life
on my own, like and I love them all. Yeah,
so it's not fantasy, it's reality and um, and it's
not easy to stay connected. But then you, Cheryl hend said,
(27:00):
you go, you do these amazing things and you bank
these new memories and like you live off of those,
Like we just went to Puerto Rico and we hadn't
been on an Alane vacasion for a year that was romantic,
and we came in on fumes and we went and like,
now we have that to bank, so we have a
little spring in our stuff and then we'll paid each
other in a couple of weeks and need you know,
something to get us to the next thing. But anyway,
(27:20):
it's a very realistic relationship, which it may not sound sexy,
but that's so I ask you because I'm hearing all
these ingredients no different than hearing about ben Affleck and
Jennifer seventy two red carpet events in one year, wide
leg jeans in July and in Italy. He's an addict,
they have kids, they have break up like this cannot
be perfect. The wide leg jeans in July and Italy
(27:42):
really just speaks to me on because it's it's in
the city. You're right, you're wearing wide leg, cameltoe thick
jeans in a metropolis in Europe. That alone, would I'd
break up with Paul like I'd be like I couldn't
handle it. It was the wide leg paparazzi jeans. I'm done, No,
I'm with you one hundred percent. And that's the other thing.
That's somebody that doesn't want to have that balance, right,
Like what you were saying earlier out at a certain age,
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she wants to be the biggest star in the entire
world in every facet, whether it's makeup, and I don't
want to be that person. I think for us, this
is also something that I'm so acutely aware of in
terms of like, you know, we're very fortunate people, So
me telling you, we really get to prioritize our relationship
because we are fortunate enough to have people that help
us with our children, right, Like, so we are able
(28:27):
to go out for dinner and be together. And you know,
I know my kids are taken care of. I know
that I'm a damn good mother. I'm with them as
much as I possibly can be. I guide them, I'm patient,
I drive them to all the things. But we really
make it a priority to be together with like zero kidshit.
Now we're lucky we get to do Yeah, no, I
(28:49):
can it not everyone gets to do that. That's even
before we had kids. We had the conversation like this
is gonna get really gnarly, and it's so easy to
be so and we are exhausted, right, Like I just came,
he didn't have COVID. I was alone with both of them,
and I like saved him because I was like, I
want you to stay healthy because I don't want God
forbid you to get say, he stayed in his like
(29:10):
little studio in the back. He looked quarantined away from us.
But I'd rather him be clear. But that's sort of
what we do. But you know, he might. I was
just thinking yesterday, like he might go on tour again.
What's that going to look like that It's gonna be
a shift. That's gonna be difficult. Now the kids are older,
they have more things that they're doing, and I'm gonna
have to like fly to you. You're gonna have to
fly home. What's gonna be exhausted. It does sound at
(29:31):
the beginning, and then it's gonna be just awful, yea awful,
yeah exactly. So we'll have to take it as I think.
You just take it as it comes. Exactly. You do
take it as it comes, but just know that it can.
It's it's amazing if you just make the right decisions
and you live in reality versus theory. So how your
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in laws get together, So you've got normal parents and
you've got doctor Phil and as he's still married. No,
they're not memorating into they are married. There. I'm obsessed.
My mother in law and I from the moment we met,
we always had like a little bit of a connection.
She has only two boys, but her and I have
always nice. We've had our thing. I don't know, it's
(30:21):
no bullshit. We are just like I think. When I
was younger, I was a little bit more like in
awe of who she was. And now I'm like, I'm
older and I just see like her as who she is,
as like a full human and we vibe we really were.
Oh because you met her, you met her when you
were dating for a year and a half and you
were like a child and they had to run the program.
And now you're peers in a way in a way,
and I really and she's honestly, would rather not be
(30:43):
peers with any other human but her. She is wonderful.
And that was one of the first things I was like,
Oh my god, how are parents going to sit together
at dinner? Like you know, this is just it's seamless. Oh,
they love each other. You could travel together. We could
travel together, my mom and her and his mom like
email and chat and like can get drinks like there
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isn't because they're so normal. Wasn't she involved in his business?
I feel like this was she ever involved in his business?
So she does the show with him. They've had the
show for twenty two years and she's walked on and
off that show with him every single day. So they're
they're nauseatingly best friends too. It's like, I hate to
say it because it sounds like such bullshit, but like
(31:26):
it's literally like you walk in and they're like get
their kitchen counter, like eating pie, and you're like, okay, wow, okay,
So then you have two nauseatingly perfect parents, so you
have a good shot. Okay. So and wait you just
left his show? So their show just ended too, Yes,
well that was his he decided that. I didn't decide
my fate. But yes, right, but what oh okay, I'm saying,
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everybody's got more free time. So like doctor so doctor
Phil and his wife will just come up with like
pop over and see the baby. What's that? Like? That
is the funniest. So everyone is always like so are
they always over her? Are they always? No? Way? Right? Boundaries?
Nobody but most mother in laws are not like that.
They're all My mother is weirdly like neurotic crazy, has
her own shit, is not pushy, does not come over,
(32:10):
and my mother in law is like, let me know
if something works for you. If doesn't, I know, You're like,
I never feel like people are coming in at both
sides boundaries. It's boundari to because the day is busy
and we have shit going on and we can't have
Grandma coming in every second of every day. And they
totally get that. I'm sure they also know what it's
like to be like have a pit crew descended upon
(32:33):
them and like know what privacy means. I mean, yeah,
I have in laws too that are like amazing, like
they're they're not coming over and sleeping on the pill out.
You know, they're their own human beings and they are
way more social than we are and have their own
lives and they're a lot of boundaries. It's amazing. It's
called like meals shopping, all the good, it's all the positive.
(32:57):
It's so true. I think that's another really big benefit
that my in laws are really good. Like they are
busy and like he's going to continue to do with
some other stuff. So it's not like they're ever going
to be the people that have like a totally free
Wednesday to come like knock on the door. Yeah, but
you're a fully like entertainment industry unit. That's interesting. Oh yeah,
how much you're talking about the business to them? Like
how much are you and your husband talking to Phil
(33:18):
and his wife about like the entertainment industry and the
business end? Do you would you ever work on projects together?
That's a weird. I would like, I know there's that
whole like nepotism talk, baby talk or whatever, like I'm
signed me up for nepotism daughter in law, Like, I
will take it all day. I was actually I picked
my father in law's brain all day. I spoke to
him like when I was doing my last renegotiation and
his I was literally had to stop him and be like,
(33:41):
this is cable. This is We're not talking about millions
of dollars right right, Like you're asking me to like
ask for the back end of I'm like, this is
not you're getting shares in viacom And yeah, he's like
talking You're talking about a puppet show and I'm talking
about like literally under two hundre Like why this is
not the same bar with reset. I don't think you're
saying and but I have this idea that I'm working
(34:01):
on and I was actually supposed to go over. I
sent him a deck literally two weeks ago to talk
to him about it, because he's clearly done something right.
He's been on the air for however long two thousand
years I mean, and number one, I mean, that doesn't
happen anymore saying insane and I got COVID, so I'm
supposed to go there tomorrow. But I are you intimidated though,
or do you like you just call casually or there
is a boundary because like I feel there's a little
(34:23):
like sometimes there, yeah, you tell me, is there like
uh I am? I definitely think it's no. I will
text and call. He loves it. They like me. I
hope when I see him, I'm always like a little
bit like, oh, you're like that big like you are.
He is a big presence, he's a big person. He
talks quickly, he's very with it, he's very So I'm
kind of sitting there like what is he talking about? Ads?
(34:46):
Like what? I no, no, no, So so you hippreciate
you're a little good good intimidated. You appreciate that time.
You're not trying to waste his time with nonsense garbage. Baby. Totally,
I don't want to seem like an idiot. But he
also definitely takes like he doesn't need to take the
time to do He could be like, that's your my son. No,
but I'm gonna I like this dynamic because I understand
this dynamic of you feeling good that you are with
(35:09):
You're with a man who has a very successful family,
and you know that you have earned your state at
the table, and you don't feel like they think you're
that dumb, dumb girl that's marrying the guy for that reason,
because you are successful in your own right and you've
made something of yourself. It's not that easy. I get
the whole thing totally, and I think I came you're
so right. I came in with some built respect. And also,
my husband didn't marry any of those girlfriends right, like
(35:32):
he had plenty of girlfriends in between. I think it
was really important for him on the guy side of things, like, yes,
so I need somebody. He's very strong in his purpose.
He's like fortunate that he gets to pursue his dream
every single day. He takes it seriously all day. I'm
kind of like, are you done yet? And he's kind
of like, this might not seem like work to you,
but I'm doing this shit all day. And I think
it was important for him to have a partner that
(35:52):
wasn't like gonna just shop all day. I shop all day,
but I also work all day. I get it. I
shot you at least leave the house, so you should
just come over here and take all my stuff? How
do you extend your fifteen minutes? Like? And I actually
it's funny because I don't think of you. I wouldn't
have even like I now know who you are, but
(36:12):
I didn't realize you were that same person from that show.
Like I thought to reconnect that for myself. So that's
good and something I can relate to. You've definitely become
your own being separate from that, and that's amazing. And
so now how do you keep extending it? Like? What
is your real goal? My real goal is to continue
down the path that I'm on, Like I'm really trying
(36:33):
to have a vessel on television that incorporates who I am,
like three sixty like not the rich kid, not the
variation of like that person from now on, E that's
like sort of got a little bit of that, but
like it's kind of reading what other people are telling
me to read. Like I need something that's going to
showcase like all different parts of me, which is something
(36:53):
I'm working on and hopefully people will like it and
got it because I see the fact, like the fashion
comes through that. I love love, love, I mean the fact,
but even that I don't even get the credit for,
so I appreciate it, but I love fashion. But there's
just I think I have a I connect with people
pretty easily and not in like a bullshitty type of way,
and I kind of I want that to kind of
(37:15):
start to transcend and come out. I feel like I've
been in this like little bit of a box my
entire career, which is now like crazy to say it,
but it's been like and you could do a talk
show and it's a terrible, Oh my god, it was.
I hated it more than anything I've ever done. But
there could be a way that you could do that
where it would not be insufferable. That's what I would like,
That's what I am trying to Yeah, but I could
(37:35):
see that I think that would work, but that's a grind.
So you have to find a way that's not torture.
You have to be honest. It's when I got it.
I remember getting a talk show and I was out
in LA and I was with my best friend, and
I had too much to drink, and I said to her,
why the hell am I doing? Like because you have,
But it's one of these things you're supposed to want.
Someone hands you a diamond, You're like, of course I wanted.
(37:58):
Of course, why would you want a diamond? You supposed
to want to and everybody wants to. I didn't want.
I don't like to be handled. I don't like the
pit crew on me. I'm a very antisocial person, and
I don't like to direct traffic and traffic to be
directed everything that I don't like. It was so you
have to be so honest with who you really are,
because it seems so great to do certain things. But
(38:19):
like if you're honest, as you get older, you keep
any more and then you just say no to things
or figure out a way to make it exactly how
you need it to be. Because because I could see
you talking, what what does the film schedule? Like? Just
quickly like were you filming all year or did you
film for a few months and then go crazy and
then get to that. I think you are off a
certain period of time. There's only one season, but they
(38:39):
had to do two shows a day. But with My Dag,
you're used to getting up to five and you had
to wake up and be in there at six forty five.
It's just it's everything. I don't I don't sleep late.
I get up at six, but it has to be
on my terms. Someday I may wake up at seven.
I cannot be corralled. I cannot be forced. I am
just like a loose horse. So it's not for me.
It cannot it has to be. This is perfect, This
(39:01):
has become, this is This has been wildly successful, shocking
to me, not shocking, but like the amount of success
that these shows have been, and it's because it's perfect
for me. Like, yeah, the structure, Um, I love talking
to you. It was so unbelievable. I have one more thing,
the Rose and Thorn of your career. Oh my god,
this is so different. I don't even know how to
simplify what it is. I mean, the rose is obviously
(39:25):
feeling successful, feeling purpose, feeling like I can connect to people,
and then the thorn is maybe not being showcased in
the most authentic way. It's not coming who you really
are has not come through on these projects. No yeah, yeah,
I guess not fully me yet. And I'm just like,
it's ready to break through that level because it's hoasty,
it's hosty, it's a little yeah, it's removed, it's you know,
(39:48):
it's not I get it. It's a little vapid. It's
just not I'm in there, but not no, no, no, no,
I get it. It's happened for years. You're amazing good.
I'm so happy. And I have to tell you. My
mom love you. She's like I love that Bethan. He's
so real, not full of shit like these other I'm like, okay,
so oh yeah, well maybe I'll get to meet her.
Like I've had so much fun because I get to
(40:09):
meet people here that I get to know. So now
I feel like I know you. So yeah, maybe one
time in LA will get together. I see to meet you.
I'll see later. God, I keep loving the show. Every
time I do the show, I do homework. I think
we like, am I gonna have something to talk about?
I don't even know who someone is for the most part,
(40:30):
Like I know who they are, but I don't really
know anything about them, And I just the Juicy Center
is so great, what a great thing. I don't think
that anyone's ever heard half of what Morgan Stewart just said.
I think she's so interesting. I'm so grateful if the
show can highlight someone in a way that you would
never have known that they were meaning, Like Kelly Rippa said,
(40:54):
this was the best interview she ever did, and I
know that people got things from her that they've never
gotten anywhere else. And also she said things that she's
definitely not told anybody. It's really nice to have these
honest conversations and get to the depths of who they are.
And I'm really excited and I'm so excited to do
this with you. And it's so different from rewives and
I also sit in this chair and have a completely
(41:15):
different conversation. So I love it. Thank you so much,
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Morgan Stewart is a model, actress, reality star, television host,
and entrepreneur and a sport for coming onto a show
because I kind of hazed to her a little bit
years ago on my failed talk show about being on
a show called Rich Kids of Beverly Hills. So I
give her credit for coming on. Her career took off
as a star on the E reality series Rich Kids
(00:33):
of Beverly Hills. A life like that certainly must come
with its stereotypes. But we sit down to discuss the
details of her journey from her own perspective, this is
just be with Morgan Stewart. So I don't know if
I do, but I keep saying to myself, I think
I owe her an apology because I've never gone back
(00:56):
and watched the time that you were on the talk show.
But I know the tone from either like rumblings or
I don't know why I think that, like that I
gave you guys too hard a time. And I'm not
even gonna say that. I'm not going to make an
excuse that producers do prep you and say this is
like this revolting show about all these rich kids, because
(01:16):
I hadn't seen the show, right you get these papers
as you know, hi, and these are these kids that
are these rich kids, and it's there, and I guess,
you know, the producers wanted there to be like this
salacious segment and so and I guess, to be perfectly honest,
a show called Rich Kids of Beverly Hills does sound
partially vile. So I came on and I think I
don't remember what, but I remember there being a you
(01:37):
being the blonde, pretty cute girl on the end, and
your boyfriend at the time seemed like this, like a
bossy Beverly Hills, half a nice kid, half a douchebag,
and like, okay, So I apologize if I was like
better than or a bitchy or whatever. I whatever you
perceived me to have been, me to have really been. Well.
First of all, I appreciate you even saying that, and
I actually I watched it back not too long ago,
(02:00):
and I welcomed but I was so self aware and
I think we all were that we kind of welcomed
that interaction with the audience as well, because of course
the name was vile. The name was sprung up on
us last minute. Nobody no mind onto that show, being
like we're signing on Rich Kids of Everything Hill Games
a titled project, so I remember almost my takeaway from
(02:20):
that experience was feeling invigorated, like I'm not the person
you think I am. Let's watch the show. Obviously, to
use your word, it was a little violent times and
a little bit obnoxious, of course, but I definitely felt
like my reaction might have shifted post leaving your set,
because I think the people around us, who were kind
of our caretakers of the day were like, let's go.
That was just not what we expected, and then I was, oh,
(02:41):
it wasn't. But then I was like, bring it on,
like we have to kind of be aware that this
is going to be the reaction of like the average
American person. So it wasn't all terrible, I get it.
But what show was I on? Nice poets of demoies?
I know, but Real Housewives versus Rich Kids is not
(03:02):
you don't know the name, but I'm talking about the
actual show. I didn't see your show, but I don't
know how much more disgusting it could have been than
what's going on right now in Housewives. I can't imagine. Yeah,
it was, it's definitely different, but yes, I get what
you're saying, Okay, so I get what you're saying too,
and I appreciate it. And you know, nobody's gonna accuse
me of not being edited or filtered. So no, um,
(03:23):
all right, so we met then, and you know, but
it was on for four seasons, like that's not nothing.
Now that I you know, have institutional knowledge about that
sort of thing, that's not nothing. So it was a
success by everyone's standards, I guess. So. I mean the
whole time we filmed the show, the network kind of
played that game, which I mean, you guys probably never
had because the show's so massively successful. But with us,
(03:44):
it was like, I don't know if it's gonna be
another season. The ratings are, you know, five hundred thousand
now they're getting like nobody. I was like, oh, I
don't think I never felt Looking back now, I'm like you, oh,
the show was a success. During it, we never were
made to feel like it was doing well. We never
had an audience. I had literally I got married on
the show to my ex husband, and we had like
(04:05):
a million overnights that is, as you know, like unheard
of for e right now. No, that's amazes And I
remember them pulling and being like or you know what
it was? Sorry, it was like nine hundred and fifty thousand,
and they were like, but you just you didn't hit
a million. No, but that's I'm so glad you're bringing
this up because when we back in the dark ages
and I was on reality television and we didn't even
(04:27):
have Twitter in the beginning, so and I was instrumental
in this, they would not They didn't give us the ratings.
That was not something we got. For several seasons, we
didn't get the ratings. It wasn't something it was emailed.
And I remember going all the way up to the
heads and saying like why are we playing hide and seek?
Like why don't you send you know, we had to
(04:47):
fish and find them and look it up on the
internet and find it from other people's and these sites
that Bravo would say aren't real and we'd find it
on the press or some other way for years, and
there was no way to negotiate because you didn't know
what anything meant, and you didn't know what even ratings meant.
But they never told us, like the ratings, that there
were ratings. We were dumbess, you were dumbbies. So Finally
after years and it was the second time I came back.
(05:09):
I think, unless I don't think I'm mixing No, I'm
not mixing stories. I would say, why don't you send
us once a week in email saying this is the ratings,
and also if we've done well, why don't you tell
us we've done well? Which never really happened because they
always want to keep you down. It wasn't like, why
don't you say, hey, this is great? Yeah, yeah, no, no, No,
that's negotiation tactics. That's why they don't send you ratings
(05:30):
because if your ratings or that's why they I think
it's almost legally now that they have to. Yeah, but
when your children or whatever, you don't know what a
good rating is. So I was like, God, this show
is just not making it. Looking back, the dumbest thing
they could have done for their network, not for my life,
was canceled that show. Oh, Fair, Fair It could have
gone forever, it could have they that was like the
(05:53):
last show that had legitimate ratings. I hate to I'm
not shitting on E, but I'm just saying, like, no,
it's interesting, that's interesting. Yeah. I didn't even think of
it that because it could have been it's a franchise.
It could have been rich kids of everything, just like
Sunset selling everything funny that I didn't I didn't think
of that. So um, but I don't think I know.
I know there's a girl only because I think she's
friends with Kyle and I've seen her on social media,
(06:15):
Dorothy Wang. I don't know what she does, but she
seems to be a big personality. And I don't know
who else was on that show. So did anybody else
break out? Because it feels like when I think of you,
I think about there was a bachelorette that really broke
out and she did a lot of work. I think
her name was Ali maybe for a while, she did
a lot of work, and I always noticed that she
(06:35):
really got a lot of h got a lot of
hosting gigs and things. And I think about Kristin Cavalery,
who really, you know, broke out. I mean, I know
Lauren did too, but in a different way way, less
like a company like making money behind the scenes way. Yeah,
and Kristin did that too, but I get the sense
that she's more socially relevant than the company is, like
(06:58):
blowing it out, but I actually know, um, yeah, I
get that sense. So what about you, So did you
have well did you did you think I'm gonna make
this into something I'm gonna be playing chess? Did you
think or did you just get lucky after? Like? Or
do you you hard? I think I think I knew
before the show, like I always wanted to do something
like that, I not not be on a reality show,
(07:20):
but be successful. And just the fact that I was
always engaging in pretty funny and outspoken, and my personality
was like my real my only real gift. So I
was like, it's gonna be in some sort of format
of television. I just knew that was going to happen.
And we had tried actually before Rich Kids with another
company and nothing ever came a bit, and then when
Rich Kids happened, I just knew, I don't know, it
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was gut instinct. I knew something was going to come after.
And so I did the four seasons, and I treated
it like a job the whole time, like I was
very serious about it. I knew that like I was
going to be on time. I didn't think I was
important or special, Like I knew that this moment could
be gone in two seconds. So um, I think I
had a pretty good reputation behind the scenes, which you know,
is like important people didn't want to deal with your
pain in the ass. So I went into that at
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twenty six like knowing, Okay, you can't be an asshole.
This is serious. And then towards the end of Rich Kids,
E came to me separately and was like, look, we
really want to explore for the relationship with you. We
think you have something like let's see what that is.
And once the show ended, I signed a deal with
them to work at the actual network and I did
some digital stuff and that kind of snowballed into doing
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Daily Pop for them because Kat Sadler coincidentally decided to leave,
so there was a spot opening, so you know, and
it was on the Daily Pop. Yeah, I was the
host of show, and even the executive producer of Daily
Pop was like, I'm never going to have this fucking
girl on, like she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.
And it just worked out. So then I did Daily
Pop and then they wanted to do a nighttime show
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and they were actually outsourcing comedians, like they were looking
they were scouting for someone else to host it, and
I went into the office. I was like, nobody's going
to host a show with me. This is why you
brought me here, Like I need to host this nighttime show.
This is my long term goal. That was always the goal,
and that worked out as well. So I just ended
that in November after five years. So I was there.
So when you start walked in, you were like at
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E all the time, and like the way it is
on the show with Katherine Heigel, you were like going
down the hall to the office like so I once
I was finishing Rich Kids nin up. I'm referring to
right right when she's pregnant the whole time, and they're
like what ye No, So they offered me a contract
post Rich Kids, and that was like a basically like
a nine to five, like you're gonna work here, you're
gonna really yeah, and you're gonna do digital content and
(09:28):
we're gonna see if this even works out, we'll see interesting.
And so I did that and that one year deal
turned into six years. So I gather knowing the powers
that be and knowing the genre. Yeah, you did definitely
didn't make a lot of money at Rich Kids at all.
I could literally bull's eye what you made and it's
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it's like everyone thinks you're rich because ironically you're a
rich kid, but you're not a rich kid from that
show and e two, So you're thinking about how you're
going to monetize it in the bigger picture. And did
you grow up was it more like they marketed you
as that or did you grow up a very wealthy
person by the nation standard? Yes, but by Beverly Hill standards. Yeah, No,
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I grew up really, I grew up comfortable. It definitely
was not on the level of billions of dollars. Dorothy,
who was my friend and castmate, was like the wealthy
by like global standards. So that's what I was at, okay,
And that was really sort of why I was. We
were all at the beginning taken aback by sort of
the title, because I was like, you're putting us all
in a position now where we sort of have to
like uphold this sort of not facade but just embellished,
(10:34):
like I am not like you weren't flying private and
driving a bell no, no, no no, And like at
that point, I feel like, now you mean this is
going to invite me mask but like Private seems to
be a lot more excessive I was literally what I
was saying too. I was going to say, like back
when I went rich when we were kids, what other
people were is not not what goes on now. Well,
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so there's rich and then there's rich. The people all
the people on the Housewives are not like real rich,
real there's they're they're rich and a lot of them
are faking and renting and all the bullshit, and that's
happened across and bankruptcying. But like, fuck you crazy rich
in Beverly Hills is astronomical and that's why I was.
And also to simplify it, the best way you can
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put it is those people are not on TV exactly.
Thank you. Okay, so your parents, you have brothers and sisters.
What's your brother my Yeah, so my I have an
older brother, but we have different dads. But so my
mom was married before had my brother. He's seven years older.
And and your your your parents are not together. My
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parents are together. They go, oh, that's from her other marriage.
Your parents aren't together, Okay, and they're still they're they're
those weird people that love each other and have breakfast, lunch,
and dinner together and that's weird. Yeah, they're they're they're
they're the happy there. It's like forty five years together
now or something by three years. Susanne Summers is weird
like that, Like they work together together all day and
her husband, they live for each other. I'm like, please
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don't tell me anymore. Um So, and you're close with them.
I'm very close with both my parents. I'm like, I
talked to my mom all day every day. My dad
and I are very close, and we're close in different ways.
But that is the one thing that I think that
has stood out for me my whole life. Like I
got really lucky in that sense. Like they are we
are just a little threesome. That's weird to say, but
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we're a team a pot. Yes. And they're quote unquote normal.
They're civilians. They're not like entertainment Hollywood type people, not
at all totally normal. My dad worked in Beverly Hills.
He was a builder, architect, and my mom is actually
from Switzerland, so she's very normal and like all of
the things that I have that I credit to being
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like somewhat of a stand up human and know what's
going on is because of her, for sure. Okay, and
so you were married for a minute to the guy
on the show, and did the show helped propel that,
like it all sounded good and exciting and things were happening,
because because I've been through that and it's a train
and you think you can't get off and everybody's expecting
it and it's a terrible thing. Also, I don't know
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how your experience is, but then you also like it
is something you really want in that moment. So if
it's not for me, looking back, we had we were
together for six years. We had a really wonderful relationship.
I can't say anything but nice things about him. He
truly is a nice person. I definitely think probably more
on his end, they were like, well, what's going to happen,
Like what's going on with the next season? Like are
you proposing? And I think wanted to do I think
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he would have had he not proposed, we probably would
have broken up a year later. Do you know what
I mean? Interesting? Yeah, but I'm saying these TV shows
do it's just dad water. You don't realize and it
at all is fun. Like let's put it this way.
I never really go anywhere and I never really like
wear anything. I just have all this stuff that I
look at because I'm just a real, very very serious homebody,
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not like a thing I just say to be cute.
It's very serious. I could go days and not leave
the house. I do go to days and not leave
the house. So when I was on the Housewives, it
was great for me in a sense because it gave
me a reason to like put on clothes and pretend
that I like doing and go somewhere and I was
really going somewhere, and I like, I would never entertain,
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for example, but then because of the show I would entertain.
I would have like people overseer double dipping. Oh, I'm
using that living room in that gorgeous house I have,
So it's real, but it's because of the show. So
I'm saying, you're doing these things that are like meta
because the show is having this happen, and you're having
this happen, and it becomes more exciting and like it's insular.
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You're like in a tunnel where you're like, this is
of course supposed to be the next step, and yeah,
of course they're all real, but it is being motivated
by the larger pick. That's what I'm saying. It's like shinier,
It's like shinier and more accentuated. And it's true it is,
But if the cameras weren't happening and this experience wasn't happening,
it wouldn't be the same. It's like if the tree
fell and no one heard it, it it would be different.
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That's what I was trying to say. Yeah, no, you're
completely right. I think that for my particular experience, like
the goal was always to get married prior to the
show or any influence, let's say, influence from the show.
I just think that if the show wasn't happening, maybe
it wouldn't have happened at that particular moment. But then
I look back and I was very much like, well,
when are we getting engaged? Because if we're not getting
get it, it's all it's a whole whirlpool of just
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like craziness. Exactly the relationship. The way I can look
at it was, Yes, I think it was perpetuated by
the next step was perpetuated maybe the timing by the show,
but we definitely that was our intention the whole time.
And yeah, and it was supposed to end like it
wasn't supposed to be my long term life marriage, right,
But also it's hard to see things as they really
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are while you're in that frenzy, so like the show
is not happening, and then you like look at your
life as it really is without this this, you know,
with some structure and normalcy. Yeah, so the Daily Pops stopped,
(15:56):
they canceled it. They stopped both it was called Daily
Pop and then Night Pop. They ended both of those
in October. Oh it's recently. Okay, it was like three
years ago, but it wasn't. And so yeah, I did
that for I was there for five years total, and
then I did another I did a show called Necessary
Realness for them, which was online, and then I did
another snapchat show with them called What the Fashion. So
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I did four shows for them over the five years.
And you're still connected to them or like what do
you so? What are you doing now? And what do
you want to be doing? And I got my last
check from them like two weeks ago, Okay, not connected
to them at all. And then I'm working on a product,
like another TV show, another project I definitely want to
continue working. But also the schedule I had working at
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E was I mean it was hardcore. I mean I
had to get up at five every single day I
was there day. I had to be there at five
to thirty five forty five six for hair makeup. Like
it was so full on that it was. It was.
It was five days a week. It also never stopped.
They didn't break for holidays. Christ It was three sixty five,
so you know, most shows film for the year and
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then they stopped for the summer. This was not. This
was year round. So it was very interesting because it's
like an archaic model. It's almost like you're like the
studio owns, you know what I mean, Like you're attached
to a studio, so you have a salary, but you're
doing shows. It's just like a different model. It's so
and I literally coming off that ride. I mean it
took me like two months to even get like I
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was so beyond fatigue and didn't even realize, Ah, that's nice,
that's nice to like let it go and you're probably
still coming down. It's not that it's like completely after
having a baby, you're not really normal for a while.
A long time. I had two babies in two years.
I was still working throughout both babies. It was wild times.
So how old are your kids now? So my daughter
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is going to be two tomorrow and my son is
going to be one on Friday, So that that's insane.
Oh it was insane because a lot of guilt, a
lot of torn it was Yeah, I mean I was
like just all of it was. I mean, getting pregnant
that fast was just the most shocking thing that I
think happened. And they're literally a year and a day apart. Wow, Wow,
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that's you done, so done, beyond done? Yeah, cooked done.
And what's your your husband's name is I'm sorry, it's
Jordan or okay because I wouldn't want to mix it
with a X. So your husband's name is Jordan and
he's in the entertainment industry. Also yeah, well he's a musician,
so yeah, I guess so yeah, okay, And does he
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go on tour and he's got his own crazy life
Boes on tour has done tours like last I think
last year he was on tour, he went out with
the Jonas brothers. He opened up for them, which is amazing.
So that was crazy. So then I was like with pregnant,
with one baby brought the other baby was with him,
Like I moved to New York for three weeks to
kind of like houb out of there go. It was
a little it's been a lot the last few years,
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it sounds like it, and so he can't say he doesn't.
Did he look at you like, what the hell are
you doing with all this with these two with the
two kids and with the schedule or no, because he's
living a crazy life too, like are you both? I
think he was really supportive, and I think he knows
how important it is for me as a human being
to work, like I just am not that person. There's
absolutely no shame in being to stay at home mother.
I think, noel to be with your children if you
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want to do that all day. I just know for
me being the best version of myself, I have to
have something to do. Even yeah, I just I mean
even like my days, I'm like, I'm just like in
the same yoga pants every day because I'm like, there's
nowhere for me to really be in That lack of
purpose kind of sends me on a bit of a
I'm in it. I'm much older than you, but I'm
in that stage. I have a very big business and
a lot of stuff going on, but I am in
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that stage. But you'll get to that stage where you
don't really want, like you don't even know that you want.
You want like the slightest bit of purpose, but you
don't want that much purpose. Yeah, Like it's it'll come,
and it'll you'll remember that I said this to you
because it will be very unique. You'll have been on
the treadmill and knowing how it feels to be exhausted,
but then sort of want to get on again or
a different treadmill. Then you'll get to a point where
you're like, I really just don't want to be on
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any treadmill. It's really interesting because you gotta get to fifty.
And then you'll say, but we have ways for that.
So so you're with Jordan. How did you guys meet?
We actually dated. We dated ten years ago for the
first time, so before I met my last husband. We
were together for a year and a half. We lived together.
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He was actually dating a friend of mine and then
they we weren't that close. I told her straight up.
It was one of the most awkward conversations. I was like, listen,
this is weird, but we're gonna go for this, and
we did for a year and a half. We broke up,
did not keep in touch at all. I randomly, why
did you break up? We just were young and it
just wasn't too much. It was just too much. We're
just children, and so, you know, we did not keep
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in touch whatsoever. And most of the boyfriends that I
had prior to him, like all went to Beverly High
and all kind of you know, were between Cannon and
Beverly Drive, and I saw everybody every single day. He
was like the first boyfriend I had that Like, we
dated for the year and a half. We broke up.
That was it. And I randomly kind of kept in
touch with his older brother here and there for random things,
and then I would see his parents around and we
kind of had like a connection somehow. And then I
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got married and then divorced and he was in a
long term relationship and then he kind of literally DMed me.
He was like hi, and I was like, I'm not
a fucking moron, Like I'm not going you're doing whatever
you're doing, You're traveling, like I am getting into how
do you know everything he's doing. I just knew through
the grape vine, but you just really hadn't seen him
at all for years. Nothing. I had seen him at
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his brother randomly invited me and my ex husband to
a white party they were having like three years prior,
and I saw him for two seconds and I went
up to be like, hi, how are you? And he
was so like not that friend, and he's like hey,
and I was like, oh, okay, well, but let me
does he everyone knows each other in that small world.
And so, and he's doctor Drew's son. No, doctor Phil's son. Sorry,
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he's I know doctor Drew. And I like that. I
love Doctor Drew. I will Yeah, he's amazing. So he's
doctor Phil's son. Yeah. So he's got a little swag,
he's got game. I assume I'm gonna look him up.
I assume he's good looking. So does he have a look?
Does he Does he have game? And that like you
know what I mean, Like he thinks he's he's hot
and he's a musician. He's a little bit of a
hot stepper. There's literally no, there's no duche tree to
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this one. He's like funny, dirty, sweet, like very yeah
he looks like that. Yeah, got it, okay, and most
importantly like quite intelligent. Okay, so no dishbaggery. And he
dms you. So he just was intrigued yeah, just was like,
what's up, how's it going. We chatted for a few months,
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and then I ended up seeing him in New York
like twenty nineteen, and I literally didn't even want to go.
I'm like, I'm not even going to do this. Well
exact way to go get a drink, and it was
you weren't doing it. I was dumb. There's nothing going
to end in anything. I was like, I'm not gonna
go through. Like I'm going through enough right now. I
don't need to deal with that. So I saw him there,
we hung out. It was like fine, we continued, he
continued to chat. It was Mexico. Then I went to
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Mexico for New Year's he was still on tour. I
slammed my hand in the door randomly. It was like
one of those doors where you slide, and then the
other one came sliding, so I had to go to
hospital her. And then I was really at a breaking
point and I was like, what is this year? This
is so fucked, Like just let me live for five minutes. Yeah,
and then he sent flowers to Mexico because you were
heard in my hand and I was like, that's kind
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of like serious. That was December, and then he came back.
We hung out for January, and then the world got
shut down. That's how long ago that this too? I
don't the time. I think that's anything same the start
of three years ago now, I mean, okay, okay, you know,
I literally Paul could do that was ninety two. That
was seventy. I don't know what year, what year it is,
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I don't know twenty seventeens, so I don't that was
three years ago. Okay, got it. I'm the exact same way.
It's funny, but that's my only frame of reference. And
then January we were kind of like living together. I
had an apartment and by May we what do you
mean January were living together? A head apart said, this
was December, December, I was on vacation. He sent me flowers.
We got back from the trip, he got back from tours.
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Through January, we were like hanging out. I had an apartment.
We were like he was living at the at a hotel.
And then he rented a house because he was selling
his house, and I basically ended up moving into that house,
still going home, but spending most of my time. This
is when and you're a single human being you're young,
you've got fucking rich, hot musician, and you're gonna do
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this for the pandemic. I love this, and I we
at this point, we didn't know the pandemic was going
to be the pandemic. So I was very much like,
I pay for my own rent, I pay for my
own clothes, I pay for my own health injurance. I
am an independent woman. I am not gonna like get
swept up in this. I still pay. So I made
a rule to like sleep home for a few nights
a week, and that lasted about a month and then
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January were fully fully living together at that point. In March,
and then by May we were pregnant stop first child.
What my birthdays made me? Second? Oh, in my for
the first the first time we ever had unprotected sex,
the first ever. This is like knocked up. That's hysterical
(24:53):
that you worked at EAT because you're live like this
is knocked up, except that he's not. You like it,
you love him, but they left the that's hilarious. Wow, Okay, Yeah,
and then July we got engaged. December we got married.
I gave birth in February, and then we did it
all again because in May again, I got pregnant. I
hadn't even had I mean, this is I don't know
(25:13):
how much we can say on the show. I hadn't
even had like a full period. I mean, you know
you made your Yeah, it worked and may it was
my birthday again. I guess that's when we do things.
And literally I found out when I was eight weeks.
He's like, don't don't make a joke. It's positive. We
know you're just feeling like shit, it's final, You're right.
I looked away for one second on that test. One
(25:34):
second I was like and it said and I literally
could not move for three minutes. And I went to
the doctor and she literally said to me, your dude,
date is February seventeenth. My daughter's due date was February fourteenth.
I had her on the sixteenth, so they are I
had him on the seventeenth, so they are one year
and one day. It's like jippy life, like you must
be saying, so exhausted. I think it's great that this
(25:57):
all like like this ended this anything for a moment,
you need a breath because you'll has you can't get
out with that pay in the bill. It will come
some other place that insane. Okay, So you're that's amazing, okay,
And you have a good relationship and a good kids.
How do you stay connected with all these parts? Because
I am in a relationship with someone who lives in
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a different state and it and it works. It works
because there comes a time when you're honest about like,
not what a relationship should be, but what a relationship
actually is, and that if you're a person who really
likes your own time. And I used to not even
know that I wanted to have my own time in
a relationship because I just I didn't have the same
career and the same kids. So it was always what
(26:40):
are we doing? What do we do? I have? So
I have one life with my child, I have one
life with Paul and the blending I have one and
I have one life with my work and one life
on my own, like and I love them all. Yeah,
so it's not fantasy, it's reality and um, and it's
not easy to stay connected. But then you, Cheryl hend said,
(27:00):
you go, you do these amazing things and you bank
these new memories and like you live off of those,
Like we just went to Puerto Rico and we hadn't
been on an Alane vacasion for a year that was romantic,
and we came in on fumes and we went and like,
now we have that to bank, so we have a
little spring in our stuff and then we'll paid each
other in a couple of weeks and need you know,
something to get us to the next thing. But anyway,
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it's a very realistic relationship, which it may not sound sexy,
but that's so I ask you because I'm hearing all
these ingredients no different than hearing about ben Affleck and
Jennifer seventy two red carpet events in one year, wide
leg jeans in July and in Italy. He's an addict,
they have kids, they have break up like this cannot
be perfect. The wide leg jeans in July and Italy
(27:42):
really just speaks to me on because it's it's in
the city. You're right, you're wearing wide leg, cameltoe thick
jeans in a metropolis in Europe. That alone, would I'd
break up with Paul like I'd be like I couldn't
handle it. It was the wide leg paparazzi jeans. I'm done, No,
I'm with you one hundred percent. And that's the other thing.
That's somebody that doesn't want to have that balance, right,
Like what you were saying earlier out at a certain age,
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she wants to be the biggest star in the entire
world in every facet, whether it's makeup, and I don't
want to be that person. I think for us, this
is also something that I'm so acutely aware of in
terms of like, you know, we're very fortunate people, So
me telling you, we really get to prioritize our relationship
because we are fortunate enough to have people that help
us with our children, right, Like, so we are able
(28:27):
to go out for dinner and be together. And you know,
I know my kids are taken care of. I know
that I'm a damn good mother. I'm with them as
much as I possibly can be. I guide them, I'm patient,
I drive them to all the things. But we really
make it a priority to be together with like zero kidshit.
Now we're lucky we get to do Yeah, no, I
(28:49):
can it not everyone gets to do that. That's even
before we had kids. We had the conversation like this
is gonna get really gnarly, and it's so easy to
be so and we are exhausted, right, Like I just came,
he didn't have COVID. I was alone with both of them,
and I like saved him because I was like, I
want you to stay healthy because I don't want God
forbid you to get say, he stayed in his like
(29:10):
little studio in the back. He looked quarantined away from us.
But I'd rather him be clear. But that's sort of
what we do. But you know, he might. I was
just thinking yesterday, like he might go on tour again.
What's that going to look like that It's gonna be
a shift. That's gonna be difficult. Now the kids are older,
they have more things that they're doing, and I'm gonna
have to like fly to you. You're gonna have to
fly home. What's gonna be exhausted. It does sound at
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the beginning, and then it's gonna be just awful, yea awful,
yeah exactly. So we'll have to take it as I think.
You just take it as it comes. Exactly. You do
take it as it comes, but just know that it can.
It's it's amazing if you just make the right decisions
and you live in reality versus theory. So how your
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in laws get together, So you've got normal parents and
you've got doctor Phil and as he's still married. No,
they're not memorating into they are married. There. I'm obsessed.
My mother in law and I from the moment we met,
we always had like a little bit of a connection.
She has only two boys, but her and I have
always nice. We've had our thing. I don't know, it's
(30:21):
no bullshit. We are just like I think. When I
was younger, I was a little bit more like in
awe of who she was. And now I'm like, I'm
older and I just see like her as who she is,
as like a full human and we vibe we really were.
Oh because you met her, you met her when you
were dating for a year and a half and you
were like a child and they had to run the program.
And now you're peers in a way in a way,
and I really and she's honestly, would rather not be
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peers with any other human but her. She is wonderful.
And that was one of the first things I was like,
Oh my god, how are parents going to sit together
at dinner? Like you know, this is just it's seamless. Oh,
they love each other. You could travel together. We could
travel together, my mom and her and his mom like
email and chat and like can get drinks like there
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isn't because they're so normal. Wasn't she involved in his business?
I feel like this was she ever involved in his business?
So she does the show with him. They've had the
show for twenty two years and she's walked on and
off that show with him every single day. So they're
they're nauseatingly best friends too. It's like, I hate to
say it because it sounds like such bullshit, but like
(31:26):
it's literally like you walk in and they're like get
their kitchen counter, like eating pie, and you're like, okay, wow, okay,
So then you have two nauseatingly perfect parents, so you
have a good shot. Okay. So and wait you just
left his show? So their show just ended too, Yes,
well that was his he decided that. I didn't decide
my fate. But yes, right, but what oh okay, I'm saying,
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everybody's got more free time. So like doctor so doctor
Phil and his wife will just come up with like
pop over and see the baby. What's that? Like? That
is the funniest. So everyone is always like so are
they always over her? Are they always? No? Way? Right? Boundaries?
Nobody but most mother in laws are not like that.
They're all My mother is weirdly like neurotic crazy, has
her own shit, is not pushy, does not come over,
(32:10):
and my mother in law is like, let me know
if something works for you. If doesn't, I know, You're like,
I never feel like people are coming in at both
sides boundaries. It's boundari to because the day is busy
and we have shit going on and we can't have
Grandma coming in every second of every day. And they
totally get that. I'm sure they also know what it's
like to be like have a pit crew descended upon
(32:33):
them and like know what privacy means. I mean, yeah,
I have in laws too that are like amazing, like
they're they're not coming over and sleeping on the pill out.
You know, they're their own human beings and they are
way more social than we are and have their own
lives and they're a lot of boundaries. It's amazing. It's
called like meals shopping, all the good, it's all the positive.
(32:57):
It's so true. I think that's another really big benefit
that my in laws are really good. Like they are
busy and like he's going to continue to do with
some other stuff. So it's not like they're ever going
to be the people that have like a totally free
Wednesday to come like knock on the door. Yeah, but
you're a fully like entertainment industry unit. That's interesting. Oh yeah,
how much you're talking about the business to them? Like
how much are you and your husband talking to Phil
(33:18):
and his wife about like the entertainment industry and the
business end? Do you would you ever work on projects together?
That's a weird. I would like, I know there's that
whole like nepotism talk, baby talk or whatever, like I'm
signed me up for nepotism daughter in law, Like, I
will take it all day. I was actually I picked
my father in law's brain all day. I spoke to
him like when I was doing my last renegotiation and
his I was literally had to stop him and be like,
(33:41):
this is cable. This is We're not talking about millions
of dollars right right, Like you're asking me to like
ask for the back end of I'm like, this is
not you're getting shares in viacom And yeah, he's like
talking You're talking about a puppet show and I'm talking
about like literally under two hundre Like why this is
not the same bar with reset. I don't think you're
saying and but I have this idea that I'm working
(34:01):
on and I was actually supposed to go over. I
sent him a deck literally two weeks ago to talk
to him about it, because he's clearly done something right.
He's been on the air for however long two thousand
years I mean, and number one, I mean, that doesn't
happen anymore saying insane and I got COVID, so I'm
supposed to go there tomorrow. But I are you intimidated though,
or do you like you just call casually or there
is a boundary because like I feel there's a little
(34:23):
like sometimes there, yeah, you tell me, is there like
uh I am? I definitely think it's no. I will
text and call. He loves it. They like me. I
hope when I see him, I'm always like a little
bit like, oh, you're like that big like you are.
He is a big presence, he's a big person. He
talks quickly, he's very with it, he's very So I'm
kind of sitting there like what is he talking about? Ads?
(34:46):
Like what? I no, no, no, So so you hippreciate
you're a little good good intimidated. You appreciate that time.
You're not trying to waste his time with nonsense garbage. Baby. Totally,
I don't want to seem like an idiot. But he
also definitely takes like he doesn't need to take the
time to do He could be like, that's your my son. No,
but I'm gonna I like this dynamic because I understand
this dynamic of you feeling good that you are with
(35:09):
You're with a man who has a very successful family,
and you know that you have earned your state at
the table, and you don't feel like they think you're
that dumb, dumb girl that's marrying the guy for that reason,
because you are successful in your own right and you've
made something of yourself. It's not that easy. I get
the whole thing totally, and I think I came you're
so right. I came in with some built respect. And also,
my husband didn't marry any of those girlfriends right, like
(35:32):
he had plenty of girlfriends in between. I think it
was really important for him on the guy side of things, like, yes,
so I need somebody. He's very strong in his purpose.
He's like fortunate that he gets to pursue his dream
every single day. He takes it seriously all day. I'm
kind of like, are you done yet? And he's kind
of like, this might not seem like work to you,
but I'm doing this shit all day. And I think
it was important for him to have a partner that
(35:52):
wasn't like gonna just shop all day. I shop all day,
but I also work all day. I get it. I
shot you at least leave the house, so you should
just come over here and take all my stuff? How
do you extend your fifteen minutes? Like? And I actually
it's funny because I don't think of you. I wouldn't
have even like I now know who you are, but
(36:12):
I didn't realize you were that same person from that show.
Like I thought to reconnect that for myself. So that's
good and something I can relate to. You've definitely become
your own being separate from that, and that's amazing. And
so now how do you keep extending it? Like? What
is your real goal? My real goal is to continue
down the path that I'm on, Like I'm really trying
(36:33):
to have a vessel on television that incorporates who I am,
like three sixty like not the rich kid, not the
variation of like that person from now on, E that's
like sort of got a little bit of that, but
like it's kind of reading what other people are telling
me to read. Like I need something that's going to
showcase like all different parts of me, which is something
(36:53):
I'm working on and hopefully people will like it and
got it because I see the fact, like the fashion
comes through that. I love love, love, I mean the fact,
but even that I don't even get the credit for,
so I appreciate it, but I love fashion. But there's
just I think I have a I connect with people
pretty easily and not in like a bullshitty type of way,
and I kind of I want that to kind of
(37:15):
start to transcend and come out. I feel like I've
been in this like little bit of a box my
entire career, which is now like crazy to say it,
but it's been like and you could do a talk
show and it's a terrible, Oh my god, it was.
I hated it more than anything I've ever done. But
there could be a way that you could do that
where it would not be insufferable. That's what I would like,
That's what I am trying to Yeah, but I could
(37:35):
see that I think that would work, but that's a grind.
So you have to find a way that's not torture.
You have to be honest. It's when I got it.
I remember getting a talk show and I was out
in LA and I was with my best friend, and
I had too much to drink, and I said to her,
why the hell am I doing? Like because you have,
But it's one of these things you're supposed to want.
Someone hands you a diamond, You're like, of course I wanted.
(37:58):
Of course, why would you want a diamond? You supposed
to want to and everybody wants to. I didn't want.
I don't like to be handled. I don't like the
pit crew on me. I'm a very antisocial person, and
I don't like to direct traffic and traffic to be
directed everything that I don't like. It was so you
have to be so honest with who you really are,
because it seems so great to do certain things. But
(38:19):
like if you're honest, as you get older, you keep
any more and then you just say no to things
or figure out a way to make it exactly how
you need it to be. Because because I could see
you talking, what what does the film schedule? Like? Just
quickly like were you filming all year or did you
film for a few months and then go crazy and
then get to that. I think you are off a
certain period of time. There's only one season, but they
(38:39):
had to do two shows a day. But with My Dag,
you're used to getting up to five and you had
to wake up and be in there at six forty five.
It's just it's everything. I don't I don't sleep late.
I get up at six, but it has to be
on my terms. Someday I may wake up at seven.
I cannot be corralled. I cannot be forced. I am
just like a loose horse. So it's not for me.
It cannot it has to be. This is perfect, This
(39:01):
has become, this is This has been wildly successful, shocking
to me, not shocking, but like the amount of success
that these shows have been, and it's because it's perfect
for me. Like, yeah, the structure, Um, I love talking
to you. It was so unbelievable. I have one more thing,
the Rose and Thorn of your career. Oh my god,
this is so different. I don't even know how to
simplify what it is. I mean, the rose is obviously
(39:25):
feeling successful, feeling purpose, feeling like I can connect to people,
and then the thorn is maybe not being showcased in
the most authentic way. It's not coming who you really
are has not come through on these projects. No yeah, yeah,
I guess not fully me yet. And I'm just like,
it's ready to break through that level because it's hoasty,
it's hosty, it's a little yeah, it's removed, it's you know,
(39:48):
it's not I get it. It's a little vapid. It's
just not I'm in there, but not no, no, no, no,
I get it. It's happened for years. You're amazing good.
I'm so happy. And I have to tell you. My
mom love you. She's like I love that Bethan. He's
so real, not full of shit like these other I'm like, okay,
so oh yeah, well maybe I'll get to meet her.
Like I've had so much fun because I get to
(40:09):
meet people here that I get to know. So now
I feel like I know you. So yeah, maybe one
time in LA will get together. I see to meet you.
I'll see later. God, I keep loving the show. Every
time I do the show, I do homework. I think
we like, am I gonna have something to talk about?
I don't even know who someone is for the most part,
(40:30):
Like I know who they are, but I don't really
know anything about them, And I just the Juicy Center
is so great, what a great thing. I don't think
that anyone's ever heard half of what Morgan Stewart just said.
I think she's so interesting. I'm so grateful if the
show can highlight someone in a way that you would
never have known that they were meaning, Like Kelly Rippa said,
(40:54):
this was the best interview she ever did, and I
know that people got things from her that they've never
gotten anywhere else. And also she said things that she's
definitely not told anybody. It's really nice to have these
honest conversations and get to the depths of who they are.
And I'm really excited and I'm so excited to do
this with you. And it's so different from rewives and
I also sit in this chair and have a completely
(41:15):
different conversation. So I love it. Thank you so much,
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