Suki Waterhouse

Suki Waterhouse started professional life as a model and actress in the UK. A full-fledged music career might’ve seemed far-fetched but she quickly found an authentic voice as a singer-songwriter. And put out some beautiful demos that caught the attention of the legendary Sub Pop label which put out her first album, I Can’t Let Go and her latest, Memoir of A Sparklemuffin.

Suki’s music first started catching on with audiences through TikTok. But her sophomore album wasn't made for social media audiences. It’s an eighteen song journey through the life of a thirty year old woman who had some wild times in her twenties, survived the sadness memorialized on her first album and has come to find happiness and even a family on the other side.

On today’s episode Justin Richmond talks with Suki Waterhouse from Amazon's Studio 126 about building an organic career in music, what it was like opening for Taylor Swift at Wembly stadium just last month and she tells a great Jack White story that inspired one of my favorite lines from her first album.

To see the full video version of this episode, visit: https://www.youtube.com/@BrokenRecordPodcast/videos

You can hear a playlist of some of our favorite Suki Waterhouse songs HERE.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Pushkin. Suki Waterhouse started professional life as a model and
actress in the UK. A full fledged music career might
have seemed far fetched, but she quickly found an authentic
voice as a singer songwriter. She put out some beautiful
demos that caught the attention of the legendary sub pop label,

(00:35):
which put out her first album, I Can't Let Go
and her latest memoir of a Sparkle Muffin. Suki's music
first started catching on with audiences through TikTok, but he
oftener album wasn't built with social media audiences in mind.
It's an eighteen song journey through the life of a
thirty year old woman who had some wild times in
her twenties, survived the sadness memorialized on her first album,

(00:57):
and has come to find happiness and even a family
on the other side. On today's episode, I talked with
Suki Waterhouse about building an organic career in music, what
it was like opening for Taylor's Swift at Wembley Stadium
just last month, and she tells a great Jack White
story that inspired one of my favorite lines from her
first album. This is broken record liner notes for the

(01:22):
digital age. I'm justin Richman. Here's my conversation with Sukie
Waterhouse from Amazon's Studio one twenty six. To see the
full video version of this episode, go to YouTube dot
com slash Broken Record podcast. Congratulations on the soon to
be released memoir of a Sparkle Muffin.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank You, Thank You. I can't believe it. Actually it's
too like over two weeks, but it's pretty much two
weeks away.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, come on, right up.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I know, it's always that strange thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You put so much work in and there's kind of
singles coming out and there's rollout, and then you kind
of actually you kind of forget that everyone hasn't had
the record yet.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
You've heard it a ton, Yeah, I've.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Had it a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I just did a listening party the other day, which
was just really fun nice because you know, you get
together like a kind of one hundred or something and
you play them and you get to see their expressions
and you you kind of get like a real.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Sense of it.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And yeah, and I've been going around and like showing
it to some of the streamers and stuff like that,
but you kind of forget that everyone else, apart from
like your friends and all the people that you love,
Like I haven't heard it yet, so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Rollouts is always really fun because it's unexpected. I feel
like the next few months you really have no idea,
like what's gonna happen and what's gonna connect, and it's
kind of just like a bit of a mystery.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
And it's it's it's yeah, absolutely, I mean, obviously you
have a tour booked, but in terms of like what
sort of from the album like grabs people's attention, actually,
you know, it's you really don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, you have no idea. This is a long album
as well.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Actually this is like an eighteen song record, which is Yeah,
it was kind of like it longing.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I was shocked about how long it was. That I mean,
I love that it was long. It was cool, and
I ended up like, you know, because it's longer, like
I started thinking about it in sections, you know, almost
like I guess, broken up the way like an old
LP would be. Like it was like a double LP
flip sides. Like certain certain groups of songs have like
their own character. It feels like together and.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't know, like yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I now think of them as like a larger piece.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Literally, parts of the memoir are together, like songs like
Gateway and Oh My God and Blackout. I feel like
a kind of inside there they're in like a kind
of like destructive section of it.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
But I guess, yeah, that's kind.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Of all the bye though, and then into like OMG,
like that's kind of its own section. Two.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
A Lallabli is a song I haven't listened to in
a long time actually because I kind of I feel like, yeah,
I don't know, there's like this line in it about
taking sleeping pearls and stuff. I don't know, you know
when you're just like, oh, God, like it's sort of
like you you wrote it really, just like, oh, I'm
putting exactly how I feel in this one very like
hazy moment where I've like written everything out and I'm like, oh,

(03:58):
this isn't like this isn't every night, but this is
you know what I mean, Like it's yeah, it's one
of those ones that felt like a really personal kind
of like etching.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I'm surprised that's the that's the lyric that us
in God, because I mean, I don't know, it doesn't
seem to me that I mean through your whole I
mean starting with brutally like way, yes, yeah, not to
frame it that way more fucked up, but you know
there are guess as I was listening, I was like, wow,
there's like, you know, you have some really your writing

(04:29):
is really cool. I mean there's some like really maybe
it's because you're British, but there's like a bit of
a acerbic kind of tone to certain certain lines that
are just like fun. You know, they almost make them
like hip hop lines in a sense, like they're not
quite a disk, but they're kind of like a little
mean in a weird way, like.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, I guess maybe I am a little mean, you know,
or a little bit like yeah, a little bit, a
little bit cutting.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, yeah, a little cutting. I think I think that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, or like dad pan or like sometimes yeah,
sometimes like you can say things as sort of like
I'll use words or whatever, I can do it in
an interview someone's where I'm like, oh my god, like
that's been you know, like it comes across as being
very like different to how you maybe said it with
your tone. Yes, but yeah, I think actually, yeah, you
said like British and I think that was something I

(05:15):
think on my first record, I've I've always been like
very inspired by like that kind of American Americana, like
almost like like certain kind of like country folky elements.
I think that came up quite a lot on the
first record, and this one, I think I like lean
into a lot more of the things that I grew
up with, like a lot more of like kind of

(05:37):
ramones or like English bands, like a little bit more
Oasis and you know things. I think I was like, yeah,
songs like Blackout Drunk, I kind of wanted that like Ramonesy,
bloc party almost like the things that I was listening
to in two thousand and eight, like stomping Down.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I was stomping around New York.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
With like these like big hideous like Doc Martin's I
got on eBay and you know that that kind of
like that kind of feeling.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Especially I'm I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
So happy you said them. That's one of my favorite
That's one of my favorite. You know, I don't really
listen to them so much anymore because I just I've
listened to them so much that I feel like I
have their entire catalog, like I could recall it at
any moment, right, But when you say that, like the
b B Blackout Drunk, it's almost like twenty twenty twenty four.
It's kind of got that kind of upbeat kind of.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
And it's just like such a I really love that
song actually, because if it came out so just like
as this as a story and just felt like okay,
it was it was kind of like taken from a
little bit of reality of like talking to friends and
being like, oh god, we hate it and like you know, oh,
your boyfriend got like way too drunk and it's like annoying,
you know, and then we took I kind of took

(06:44):
took it from there and then just made up this
story of you know, going out and this girl get
you know, he's gotten too drunk, and he's he's kind
of like touching all the other girls weirdly and like
you know, and I'm so pissed and he's falling asleep
next to me and I can't wait to like wake
him up and tell him all of the shit that
he's done wrong.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Like that it was like came out as this very
like concise story, which kind of doesn't always happen actually
that much, where you're just you're really enjoying going like
you know what, Yeah, you're kind of just like playing
off everything in your head, like, well, would you like
it if I cheated on you?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Like how would you like that? Like you'd hate that?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
And it kind of Yeah, it just came out on Monco,
So that was that was a really fun one.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
What what I mean given that it only came from
a scrap of like not even necessarily autobiography, but just
came from like, but it is a very so I'll
say this, listen to that song, I realized, I don't
think I've ever been that person. I know many people person,
I know that relationship, relationship that's a very relatable, but

(07:51):
I've never heard it actually like put in song that way.
M But what what.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
About Probably plenty of songs about people getting drunk, right
or like yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Being a drunk, but like not like just that dynamic
though of like the boyfriend's probably pretty decent person sober,
but then goes out and gets way too fucked up,
probably way too often, right, does some fucked up things
and then yeah, the sort of the thrill of being
able to I guess what must be the thriller. Wise,
I don't know if people say I'm just being able
to sort of rub it in their noses.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, like why do.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
You do this?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
But yeah, yeah, I get Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Having that be like a kind of a fun thing,
I guess is when you can take something that's actually
probably quite difficult in real life and make it sort
of like celebrate it and empower it and like and
and make it kind of like an enjoyable thing to
to sing. Is Yeah, I don't know that one. Yeah,
that's it's it's a funny one. It's kind of like
I'd forgotten about that song for a long time. And

(08:48):
then I actually changed the single. I do it all
the time, but I changed it to Blackout Drunk.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Was it supposed to.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Pretty last minute.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
It was meant to be Gateway, Yeah, which is like
the first song on the record. But I'd done like
oh my god, I'd done my fun and I'd done
faded and then it felt like more it felt like
kind of in the same like scope of everything.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, So I don't know, Yeah, I do that.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I do that all the time, Like I'll just I'll
just completely throw it out the window and everyone's like
I kind of enjoyed and that, you know, when the
label's got the plan and everything's planning, it's going to
be gate We're jong the I'm like, no, it's not,
we're changing the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
You know, you feeling it in real time exactly. Oh,
people are really kind of I'm really liking this one now. No,
I feel as it feels.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, I didn't feel I didn't feel ready for Gateway,
even though it's like it is one of my favorite
songs off the record and I like love it.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
It just yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
You just like you kind of get a sense or
I guess when like or if everyone's like, oh, this
should be the single, this is the most thing like
that also gives me like an allergic reaction and like
change change change, like cause correct, because I just think
it's Yeah, I don't know, I feel like in music, right,
I don't know. It just doesn't feel we're not in that.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
That doesn't work. I don't think it works.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That's just the metrics, the sort of well it doesn't
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, Like just because something sounds like, oh that sounds
like a single, it's just not where. It's not where
like culture is at the moment. It's not where like
you can it's not about just like the most single
singly song or the one that every in fact, if anything,
I'm always like, no, it's the opposite, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
No, definitely, Yeah, I don't know what what Faded is
another one. I actually want to pull up some of
some of the.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Some of the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Everyone's been like, what are these lyrics? Like they're all
over the place.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
You used to call me yogo? Yeah, I made I'm
gonna joke that all your friends are leaving, yeah or
all yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
It's like little vin I feel like that one.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, that one. That song like really goes back to
that one, like really goes back to like being like
sixteen seventeen, and like like the kind of the things
that yeah, like the things that people were saying to
like kind of the things that it's not. It's not
I've seen like stuff on the internet being like who's
it about, and it's like it's so it's it's sort

(11:06):
of about like a couple of different people from when
I was like sixteen, So you know what I mean.
It's like and then there's like you know, there's like
kind of other things in that too, but it's like, yeah,
it takes little like vignettes and it was like this
very like sweet it feels like this very sweet like
kind of wave to the to the past, and in
a way.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, and that that that line be the kind of
man that I could that I could read to, I
could read to. Yeah, it's just I don't know, that's
the kind of thing I was like, again, I don't
know if you meant it like cutting, but it's like,
you know, it was a bit it's in a good way.
I think it's like I would it was a bit
like infantilizing in a positive way, like you know, like
you're kind of this not the superior in the relationship.

(11:46):
But again, it just felt like, I don't know, it
seems like you have these very smart ways of kind
of putting people or situations in the in a particular
place that makes you sort of the person that holds
the power, and it's it's it's kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that's true at all. Yeah,
I mean I think on my first record, I probably will.
I don't think I was feeling like that on my
first record, I mean first records called I Can't Let Go,
And like when I listen to it now, like I'm
so proud of that that work. But it was definitely
I think also because where I came from on that
record was like, you know, I'd been putting up music

(12:23):
by myself, like you know, it was always just like
most of the songs at the beginning, like Brutally and
Cause Place in the world, like they didn't weren't even
recorded to like click or anything. It was so you know,
so kind of just experimenting and there was nothing that
there was no you know, there was no team, there
was no nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
So I got to do that for like a decade.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
So in a way, I feel like not much really changed,
and in a way like when I kind of started,
you know, actually made a record, but the first record
was I kn't of got and I think it was
I think I felt at that point like I was
so frightened to cross over and add like to kind
of change course in a way or say like hey,

(13:03):
like here here's like an entire record, here's a body
of work. Like my expectations was so low of what
what would.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Happen, you know, when I put put that record out.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
So everything that's happened in the last few years has
just been like such an insane surprise. But yeah, with this,
with this record, it's like it's such a jump in
a way because it's like, yeah, I can't let go
and now I feel like, oh, I've let go of
so much and you know what I mean, Like I'm
so I'm so much freer. I'm so like in what
I can experiment with in music and with this record,

(13:36):
and yeah, I feel like I've I've just gotten that.
I'm like so full of wanting to write and wanting
to just make as much stuff as possible.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
That's great. What was I mean? Maybe we can go back?
What was the impetus to begin with with? Like so
brutally was the first thing you put out?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That was the first?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, that was like the first song?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah yeah? What was what made you write? What? What
made you write that? What made you then decide I
need you know? And how did you record it? Did
you find a band? Was it? Where did you do it?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Like?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
What's the story on the earlier?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
So the first So I have this same producers now
that I've worked with for like over a decade, Jewels
upon It and Nat Finley, she is she has a
project called Finley And I was like such a massive
fan of Finley, So I went to one of their
shows and somehow like got backstage and that was how
I like got in with them. And similar thing with

(14:26):
my friend Blue, who actually just mixed Memoir of a
sparklem Off and we did a bunch of stuff together.
So there's been like a crew that I've really been
working with for such a long time. But Blue, yeah,
that was like round. That was round at his house.
I think it was like probably one of the first
things that we've done together.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
And you've recorded the album albums at least in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
That was the first one. Yeah, the first record I
record in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
But the early singles but those weren't like brutally and
good looking.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
No, well they were just like at my house and stuff. Yeah,
well at my house or in their living room. I
mean most of the stuff that I do with Jewels
and Nat we did like good looking, Oh my god,
my fun Joanna. We've we've worked together for such a
long time and they've they did a bunch of stuff
on the new record too. That's like always been literally
in a living room.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And Jewels are such an like they're just yeah, they're
a couple and they've been they've just been like the
most unbelievable partners to have for a long time. And
it's like it's cool, like we're all, you know, we
made Good Looking like eight nine years ago, and you know,
just because we were all enjoying each other so much,
and then it kind of had this it's so weird

(15:39):
when like with music like then it had a moment.
It's a kind of it had like a moment where
it kind of like started doing stuff like such a
long time afterwards.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, like about eight years.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Like time afterwards.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, And it's one of those weird things like when
I when I made the I Can't Go record and
had it signed it to subpop, like everyone was trying
to get me to delete good Looking and delete all
the old songs and like, oh, let's start afresh, and
I was like, no, I love those songs.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
But it was such you know, it's like such a
funny thing like that.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, that was like the first song that kind of
ended up like do yeah, doing doing good.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
And it did get I mean it wasn't it kind
of sort of doing good around the time you put
out I Can't Let.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Go, Yeah, and it wasn't so weird, isn't it. It's
so strange.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
No, it wasn't on the but did it lift anything like, Like,
so I feel like move got really popular as well
from the first album. Yeah, that was so did Good
Look did the kind of online for you know, viralness
of Good Look into that.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I definitely think it helped. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It
was very strange that that kind of happened. At the
same time it was Yeah, again I kind of felt
like it was this like way from the past coming
back around.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
But that yeah, that was like a TikTok thing.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, that was like that's like one of those unexplainable
things where like, yeah, no one's focused on your old
stuff that you did eight nine years ago, but TikTok
is like it just like does its own thing and
it's no yeah, no rhyme or reason, and you like
have yeah, you have no idea. You're watching all these
videos and you're kind of thinking like, oh, this has

(17:10):
just like come to life and has this other way
that it's breathing that you never ever would have thought of.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
But yeah, for sure that that I'm sure that I'm
sure that helped.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Like bring eyeballs onto onto the music.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
And then I got to release Like I never would
have thought those old songs would have got to be
put on vinyl and like get a proper release, But
we put all of them together and we released it
on a and and I called it was an EP
called Milk Teeth, So I released that right after.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And was that on subpart to the or did you
do that yourself?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay? That was yeah, So those songs were I had
all of them by myself and then and then I
signed them to and we released them on a on
a vinyl note that kind and they got to have
this like moment. Yeah, they got to kind of you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
A cool from them like delete them, ye.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
German, but you kind of yeah, it was one.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'm sure you know exactly smart that you listen to
your instinct on it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, you never know. But that's always like that's
always the coore thing. It's like, yeah, that's what I
was like, Oh, I get to have it on a
vinyl and get get to have it in record stores
like that's always that's like the dream.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
That's always like the best thing ever.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
So the group you're saying you were a fan of
it was Finley.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, so Finley is Natalie and she yeah, Juels used
to play with her too, and and I was a
big fan of them. I remember it was kind of Yeah,
it was around the time that like Jake Bug was around.
I think I think I'd been to like one of
his shows that same week and we met. Yeah, we
just met each other backstage and and I literally had
done as you know, i'd done, like I kind of

(18:50):
I was always like finding people to work with, even
though I had like sort of no sort of like
music industry connections in a way, but that you know,
you just find, you just find people to work with.
So yeah, I remember we have we have like video
footage of it where like little babies, like eighteen year
old babies and that. Yeah, we started, Yeah, we started

(19:11):
making those songs. And we would go on like little
trips and go and stay at his mom's house and
in Brittany and France, and and yes, it's been this
like really long, like collaborative, fruitful experience.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
So you had some of the songs already when you
went backstage and met them, you had some of the No.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't think I had any of the ones that
we we put out, No, we.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Like I know, I know which song.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I know we had some stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'd I definitely like made music before, but we we
kind of like went in there with a lot of
like like Jules has such you know, the production on
good Looking and Joanna and Oh my God and my
fun he has such a he just I don't know,
I feel like he has something that no one else does,
like both of them together, I really I think there's
that that whole kind of like that it's it's yeah,

(20:01):
it's it's otherworldly what I think they're able to do.
And we yeah, we've just like had this really special relationship.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
We'll be right back after this break with more from
Suki Waterhouse. We're back with Suki Waterhouse. Before you started
writing songs or what was your like, what was like
were you what was your relationship with music? You know?
I mean you were at the time, you had a job,
you were a model, you know, and you were acting.

(20:32):
I think also by that point well into acting, so what.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, maybe not when I was like that age.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Actually, I think I think I started making music probably, yeah,
I was, I was modeling and stuff. But yeah, I
started making music kind of a long time before. I
guess like I was, I was a model, but I
was like not like a very successful model.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
No, no, no, I really wasn't that really No. I
was like like you.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Know with my age to z go into like thirty
castings a day and like you know, probably crying in
like in a toilet most days. It wasn't It wasn't
like a particular you know, it was very It was
like very much at the beginning. So yeah, that was
that was like always the yeah, writing and making music.
It was like I wanted, Yeah, I really like wanted

(21:19):
I wanted that life, but and I wanted to be
in music always first actually, but I don't know. Sometimes
like life kind of like takes you in different directions
and like that and in and in so many ways,
in fact, in every way, like I'm I'm I'm so
grateful that it almost that it did take so long,
and that it got so long, so much time to

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just work on it and discover what I like and
and like mess up a bunch of times and do
like hundreds of sessions of you know, like not like no, no,
like kind of it's it's all about like taste and
finding out what you do and don't like and becoming
very particular about it. Like that is what it is
essentially like building your artists world.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I wouldn't if I was like if I had just
been having to like make record ten and put everything
out out, then yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I wouldn't take it back for anything.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
And also it's like so much my music is about
my life, and you know, I like got to kind
of like be on that girl roller coaster of my
twenties and like have like insane experiences and be crazy,
and that is how I have like material. I feel
like I probably did enough of my twenties to like
sustain the material for like a while, because now it's

(22:35):
like so much like it's so much like not as a.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Crazy it's a little different now.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah I understand that.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I mean it's still you know, it's still it's never
gonna It's not like just having a kid makes everything.
Oh like you know, it's not like that at all.
You actually have a lot, you know, like like life
goes on in this.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Ya, but it feels less. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
For some reason as insane.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yes, it's a little mundane. It's crazier in a weird way.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
But it's to have two kids.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
You two girls. Yeah, they just third grade in kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ring.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, it's the most it's a cool thing.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I love like just being a parent now and just
that connection you have to other parents, like you know
you just like I was backstage at a show that
I was just doing in London, and I'm just like
kind of walking and talking with one of the guys backstage,
and he's pulling out pictures and being like.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Look at this video. Look how smart she is, like loo,
and You're like, well, look at this one. Look at
what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's like that excitement that you that it feels like
unlocking a key to this like little secret like love club.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
No, it is, and it's funny. As long as you're there,
it feels great. But you know, then sometimes I go
out into the world and I kind of always think
about this Anthony board. I don't know the exact quote,
but as we had in an interview that Anthony Bourdain
did obviously a while ago, and he was just like,
you know, once you're like a dad, like you know,
you try to break out like the Ramon shirt and
then get it, go out and be in the mix,
but after about like thirty minutes, you're like, I gotta

(23:59):
throw this shit away, okay, like and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Like I still feel quite like I don't know, I
feel like myself, and I'm actually surprised by like how I.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Don't know any tips. Then I need I need advice on.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
It, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Maybe I didn't, But then I guess, like it's not
like I guess before as well. I certainly like haven't
been wanting to go and be like doing crazy stuff,
but like you know what I mean, yeah exactly, So
it's not like it's been this like hugely drastic thing.
And it's also like the best excuse ever for like
streamlining your life a little bit, not like running around

(24:36):
as much like being quite intentional. Yeah, it kind of
helps you have that bedrock because you can't you can't,
like you know, I can't just like take off and
go everywhere and do it. So it's I have to
be like much more intentional, which I think actually is
something that is like not only good for me. And
I have this like grounding this thing that keeps me

(24:57):
very like grounded now, but it also keeps me like
grounded to place more, which is something that after a
long time of moving so much, I'm actually really happy for.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
So how do you how are you going to work
a week?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Basically, she's going with me?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
And how old is she?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
No, she's almost six months.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, but it's kind of probably the best time, not
because like before, she's going to just be figuring out
in a couple of months how to like crawl and
and walk.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
But we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm like just throwing myself into being like, you know,
she's got to come with me, so you just well,
you know, a bus will be fun for her. I
think there'll be so many people around, like she'll she's
quite you know, she's social. She's like wants to be
looking at everything and having fun. I'm going to be saying,
just ask me in a few months and we're going
to be like.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Pretty fun experience for the baby and they don't really
know what's going on. Everything's new and different exactly, you know, stimulating.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
It will be stimulating exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
She's not going to be She's not you know, it's yeah,
she just came to London with me on her first
that was like a first like long flight and she.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
She was born here.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, she was born here.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
How do you feel about does that? Does that feel?
How do you feel about bridge?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
She has like a little American passible now, which is
pretty cool. It's just really strange actually to see I'm like,
oh my god, you like you were born in la Wow.
But it was it was very special to bring her
back actually and kind of go for it. I went
early and had, you know, all the family. We went
to the countryside, she went, saw the Tower of London,
like I just like, yeah, we went everywhere and it

(26:38):
was beautiful. Yeah, to have all the family, it is,
it is.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah. I did like pull up my heartstrings a.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Little bit, being like, oh, everyone's there's so many people
in England or London that like love her and are
obsessed with her and like so much family. So it
makes Yeah, it makes you think you're like.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Ah, yeah, where do you want to be?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah? But that's the thing is like you can't I
think the I can't plan. You can't really like plan,
Like both me and my partner we can't. We can't
really plan that much. But there might you know, there'll
be like nice stretches of time when maybe like a
movie will be shot there or something, or you kind
of you plan as much as you can to be home,
but there's an element of there is an element of like,

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we don't really know what things look like all the time,
and things change, so you kind of you kind of
got to be pretty go with the flow.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's I mean, yeah, that's a
wild until.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Like school starts, and then that will be a different thing, right,
Like it's I feel like you get a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
At the beginning where maybe yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Where you can move them around a little bit more
and then and then yeah, the in the future, it
won't it won't be like that.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Are you playing Are you playing your daughter music?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yes, I'm playing her a lot of music. Yeah, I
feel like disco. She's into Fleetwood Mac.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
She likes.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, I play her like Leila by Eric Clapton because
my mum used to play that for me a lot.
And then I'm and then I'm doing like Baby Motz
and stuff because I'm just like trying.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
To you know, You're like you're you're like, oh, well,
if you listen to.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, which probably will be exactly. I don't know if
we try.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
And then like playing piano actually like my, yeah, my,
like we both play piano, so we kind of like
that's actually really sweet to see to see her watch that.
I'm upset. I'm like, she has to one thing I'm
like going to be crazy about. I really want her
to be able to play guitar and piano, and like,
have you do your kids play instruments?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, And I've gone through periods of pushing them to
not pushing them, but being you know, like like what's
probably good.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Discipline, Come on, you need to play piano.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And then and then but the times when like I
pull them ato lessons and I don't, I don't talk
about it much. Then I noticed, like, oh, I put
my head on the corner. She's playing guitar or she's
playing like that's cool. You know.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
So you probably can't exactly, you can't even force it.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
You just got to play the music. You got to
play a lot of music, so you get a lot
of exposure and build their tastes in the palette and
then and then hope for the best.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
That's the best thing. Yeah, I feel like my parents
didn't actually do that for me too much. We got
like Tracy Chapman, and my dad was very into like
Bruce Springsteen, but like I think there were four of
us and my mom would just be like like the
noise of just all of us at a certain point,
like they weren't like super educational, but I don't know,

(29:30):
in a weird way. That also made me really hungry
to go and find find out about music.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And I kind of you're sibling similar, do they have
those similar?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, my sister's actually, my sister's really good at He
was kind of sim I kind of like we all
like pass it around, and I guess I passed it
down quite a lot. But I was like that was
like my religion as finding out about everything when I
was a teenager and you know, yeah, London when you're
eighteen and kind of it was incredible, like I remember, yeah,

(30:03):
just like getting out into night life and that was
like a time where you could go to a bar
and Camden and like the Baby Shambles will be around,
an Amy Winehouse would be walking around and I'd be
like a you know, teenager in London and.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Taking all of that in.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's like there there were so many good like rock
band shows happening that was like great, it was a
great time for like indie music.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, So there was that I kind of yeah, I
had like I had the whole of London at my
fingertips to kind of soak into.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, from eighteen to sort of now through the making
of the new album. How is your taste sort of
changed evolved over over that course of time, if you can,
If you can, I.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Mean, there's not I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I have like a pretty wide range of things that
I love, Like you know, like there's it's I think,
I think, I think it's like different to what I mean,
there's always like things in your head as well, right,
it's I get the I think when I first when
I put my first record out, I was I think,
like the what I wanted to make at the beginning

(31:07):
especially was like I think I was really struck by
lou Duian.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know who she is.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
She's Jane Berkan's daughter, and she she made this record
and I guess like maybe I resonated with it. She'd
been an actress and and fashion and all this kind
of stuff, and like I felt this like I guess
like that was someone I looked at and I went like, oh,
you've made like this amazing record and there was a
song called I See You and that that kind of

(31:35):
music like I wanted to I don't know, I like
when I was, you know, I felt, yeah, I felt
like I wanted to make music like Marry and Faithful
and like cat Power and Velvet Underground and like that
was you know, that was and I and I guess
I really didn't. I was like, oh, I know, I
don't want to sound like I think if i'd like
come out with something like really like you know, I

(31:56):
didn't want anything like pop or and you know, nothing
like that. And you know when you go into a studio,
I want like real instruments and like and like brutally
it's like I wanted to do. I wanted to literally
just be in a room with the like with candles
on and not do something to click and and just
have something that was like very much like a feeling

(32:18):
and not have Yeah, I think I was like kind
of allergic to like things feeling feeling like produced and
production like that. But now I'm not. Now I'm like,
you know, more.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Up into it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
But it was also where I was in my head
where I was like, I can't, I don't. It wouldn't
it wouldn't feel right to like come out of the
gate having come from like these different industries as well,
to suddenly.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Be like I'm a pop star.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Like that was like my like I was like, oh,
that would just never, that wouldn't work and it's not
it would like never be aligned with what I liked.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
But it was also my.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Tastes and what I really liked and everything, and you know,
everything was quite like I guess yeah at that point,
like and I was I'm was more new to songwriting,
I guess, but like that everything was everything's quite like
I don't know. I listened to it now and I'm like,
but it was also my headspace. That's like everything's quite
like there's like a dreariness to things, and I never

(33:11):
wanted to like jump up or go big on something.
It was like all like just like gott to be
very like you know, like and I get and I
get and that It's all about what your head space
is in when you're making a record, right, like what
you think you're like, what you allow where you like
allow yourself to go and like where you are.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Always want to put on Knocking on Heaven's Door. After
just had that kind of open serial.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I was with Brad Cook and I was like really
obsessed with Brad Cook and he'd produced for Waxahatchie and
there was a song there was a song called His
Golden Messenger, I Buy his Golden Messenger called Cat's Eized Blue,
and like that was like one of the times where
I was like, Oh, that that song will fit this
this that kind of like connects to this world. And

(34:02):
and I was like, Oh, he'll never He'll never want
to like work with me or like he's he does
what I just I didn't have anything going with me.
I had no label, nothing like and it's like he's
would be like who are you? And luckily we had
one friend in common, Dave Sitek from TV on the radio,
who had been like working with for years and he's
been like a buddy of.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Have you made musical with Dave?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, me and I know we've never released any of it.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
No. Me and Dave were like went to Texas one
to like Reno one year and and made like you know,
just like had made like bonfires and like hung out
for like two weeks and and we just like talked
so much and made so much music. But yeah, so
I've not yeah known him for years and and Brad
had produced one of his Neverly Boys albums. So so yeah,

(34:46):
I kind of I think like I got I got
Dave to you know, say, like, oh, she's she's like
okay or whatever, she's like not she should you should work.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
You should do it with her. It will be cool.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
He gave you the stamp of a product.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we did and we did a
bunch of stuff. We did like some production together as
well at justin Vernham Studio in Wisconsin for this Reforto.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Which was pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Is he around?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
No, he wasn't around.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Now. We were actually meant to a session but he
he canceled on me.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
So he was busy, he was sick. But we Yeah,
I would love to work with him.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Wow. So what So how much how many songs did
you have you made with Dave?

Speaker 3 (35:26):
We have a Yeah, we have a bunch. I don't
know why.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I don't know why we haven't like managed to finish
them actually or like we just I don't know, we've
kind of like gone out. But he was sort of
my gateway into I don't know, just like but Dave's
like done.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I mean, he's done so many cool things.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
He's like you know the yeah, yeah, yeahs. He did
a lot of that early stuff. So like, yeah, I
would always go around to his house and and and
like sit with him, and he's he has like it's
really like perspective, and you know.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
He's he's been through. He's been through it. He's been
through like the music industry.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
He's he kind of he has a great like bullshit
what's called barometer. Yeah, and and yeah, he like taught
me a lot actually and kind of like invested a
lot of time in me. But I think I met
him from a cold email. I would just cold email people.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah it's really.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Good, that's like, yeah, I did. And then I did that.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Also, there was a bunch of stuff like that before,
you know, before I had like a team or anything.
I called emailed Belle and Sebastian and I went and
made a song with them, which I put out recently,
because once I got like a manager and team and
I sounded kind of like like a year in I
was like, oh and I have the song with Bell
and Sebastian. They were like what, like, what do you mean,

(36:46):
like you have.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
A song with them? Like yeah, yeah, like went over there.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Once and we hung out for a weekend and made
the song. So I ended up putting that song out
called every Day's a Lesson in Humility. But that was
like such a that was a song that we'd recorded
like such a long time ago. It's funny, Yeah, it's funny.
That was like, yeah, I guess I was like trying.
I guess I was always trying to you know, that's
just what you do. You're trying to just get in

(37:11):
the room and be with people that are inspiring and yeah,
because you just never know what's going to happen, of.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Course, no, especially with people, especially those you know, those
people those that's pretty yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah you want to like yeah yeah yeah, and things
can Yeah. You just you're just it's like building a
tap stream and and finding those people that yeah, because
like you're nothing, you're you're you know, you're really nothing
without like that like the yeah, the amazing collaborators that
you have and the people that you that you want
to like, you know that you that you want to

(37:45):
hang out with for like weeks on end and ably
and have like a and try and like make something
together that you guys are super proud of.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
After this last break, we'll be back with the rest
of my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Here's the rest of
my conversation with Suki Waterhouse. Do you know I'm gonna
put you on the spot. Do you know if you've
been on the radio? Is getting back together?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
I don't know. Actually, no, they are, Yeah, probably I
think so. Maybe I don't know. I don't know that. Yeah,
were getting back together? Right?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Are you going to go see them?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Oh my god, I have to.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I might. I just did a cover of Fairs the
other day at All Point Season in London.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, what you do?

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I did Don't Look Back and Anger, which was so fun.
It was so fun.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But like the crowd in London just like, oh my god,
it's just like amazing how everybody, especially in England, it
just it just like does something to people where that
everyone's just their music.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I like, I feel like it's going to be just
like the best. It's going to be like us kind
of winning like a huge football game or something.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Winning a World Cup or something. Maybe not quite that.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Long, not quite the level, but I think it's going
to really do a lot for like making everyone really
happy and like uniting the country, and it's going to
be I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yes you are.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Also you were that that festival was a few days
after you open for Taylor Swift Too, right in Wembley.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, that was on the Saturday and then an All
Point Seas was on the Sunday.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So that was like really fun weekend.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
What a wild weekend.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
It was so good.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
What a crazy plane Wembley would just like that's that's insane.
I think that's probably you know, people always talk about
Madison Square Garden and there's different venues, but I don't
know just I think that's because a queen. There's some
great like Cross of Stills and Nash stuff those. I mean,
just Wembley to me just feels like insane.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know, it's crazy. Yeah, it was insane.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
And it's Taylor Swift too on top of it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And like I've been to Wembley.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I think I think it was like twenty seventeen or something,
but I went to go and see a reputation there
like a couple of years ago, and it was just
like shaking my ass, like ah, you know, with my
sisters and my friends, and I just yeah, you just
couldn't have told me that that was ever going to happen, Like,
I just it's just like what, it's nuts. And they
have these like sliding doors and you walk out there

(40:05):
and I kind of just you know, it's very strange
to like the most amount of people I've probably ever
played to is like maybe like Lolapalooza in Chile and Argentina,
like maybe like maybe like ten thousand or something, and
then you're in a stadium that's like got like about yeah,
I think it's like ninety two thousand or something, and.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
There's yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
The best thing about that was also just yeah, not
only I mean like it's like going to one of
your favorite shows ever.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Like I've been to the Ariostool before. It's like such
a fun night.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
So did you go to the other one blee shows
like earlier years?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I went to UH, I went to New York. I
went to New York last year and it was so fun,
Like it's so it's insane. And then also just getting
to do that like with my family as well, Like
my dad had kept being like because it hadn't announced
for ages and I told him about it and he
was like, I guess it's not happening. Then I guess,

(41:06):
I guess it's I guess didn't have your right.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's sorry for you. And I'm like, no doubt it
is happening.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Like you know, they don't believe anything until it's like
in until like their friends can see it or whatever,
and like in like the press and I'm like the dad,
I swear Something's like not yeah, what that would have
been fun. I'm like, no, no, no, We're going to go
to Wembley like it's it is.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It is a thing.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And then he was just kind of like, you know,
it was like he couldn't he couldn't believe it. So
like doing that thing, having that moment in your hometown
with your family, with all your friends around, was like
one of the coolest days of my life.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, it's really wild. That is really it's really wild.
Fun Wan circle back quick. You mentioned that you played
piano and your partner played piano. Did you learn how
to play piano through Daisy Jones?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
In this I mean, I like played a little bit before,
but there's nothing like learning. Yes, being and like having
a teacher for three hours a day and like actually,
you know, really getting into it and doing like all
the crazy shit that we had to.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Do, which is what you had for We learned, like.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You know, we learned like so many songs, and there
was like a Beethoven thing at some point that they
were like this is going to be You're going to
be filmed doing like this big like piano moment, and
I learned it for literally, I'm not joking, like yeah,
like every day obsessively, obsessively obsessively and then they're like,

(42:24):
oh no, we're actually not going to do that. So
but it was like amazing because I got you know,
I got to like do that and it was and
also that like year coming up to that we had
before that was COVID and everything.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
It was like, thank god.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
It was like the best thing ever to literally just
do zoom practice.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
For like three hours a day.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I was like obsessed and it was so great for
me and writing as well to get so much better
at it. Yeah, but yeah, I'm always like yeah, I'm
always doing I'm still and now I'm like doing it
all the time. I still have piano lessons and it's
just good. It's just like the best thing ever to
make you. It makes you. It's just like so therapeutic

(43:03):
as well.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Absolutely, do you do you primarily write on piano or
guitar or do you not on an instrument? How are you?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I probably right on usually I'm always right. I'm kind
of like start going on guitar and like I'm okay
at guitar, Like I can get through. But you don't, Yeah,
you don't actually like I'll do piano or guitar. But
I never like I never think you need you don't
actually need to be like prolific in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
It's kind of.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, like some I think it's more it's like more
the practice of just going with like going and actually
sitting and like forcing yourself and being like you're not
you're not allowed to leave, and you've got to like
you've got to actually be present. And that's the way
that I find out like what's truly on my mind?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It's very it's very easy to It's yeah, it's like
a practice doing that because it's very easy to like
not even know what you're feeling or what you're you know,
when your life is just like going, is.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
It an outlet? For you, like, do you do that
in other words, do you do that as a way
of to just sort of decompress or is it with
the purpose of, like I want to write an album
or write some songs and see what comes out.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Or no, because I don't think I'm ever like like
i've I'm like, you know, in a way, I'm not.
I don't really work where I'm like, I'm going to
write an album, so I'm going to go and you know,
I've got two months to make a record and that's
where I'm going to write all the songs.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
So that sounds like absolute hell to me.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
It's like not what I would whatever want to be doing.
I want to be like hit by something and be
sparked by it and then go and write the song.
And then if I like that, if that song is
still coming back to me and it's still and I
haven't like you know, if it's if it makes it
at the end and I still am in love with it,
then it you know, it's like you can, yeah, it

(44:56):
has to like stay in my heart, I guess for
a long time, but yeah I can't. I kind of
am always in that writing mode in a way because yeah,
not that I have like a song that I want
to write about every day, like at all.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
But but you force yourself to sort of sit down
quietly and yeah, work out some stuff and maybe someone
comes out or not.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
It sounds like right, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Some dedicated songwriting time.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, but it's like that frustrating thing because you might
you might also sit there and absolutely nothing comes out,
and that's like, you know, it's like so you also
can't be like have something come out. Like it's kind
of it's just like about yeah, I guess it's like
about trying to like shut off even whatever the hell
you can distract yourself with. And I will fight with

(45:45):
myself like it's you know, it's yeah, it's difficult to
and a lot of the times it's like a yeah,
it's like a moment or it's like a conversation about
someone getting drunk or like did it. It's like a
thing and I've got like okay, and now I've got
to go and I want to go and write it
and and get that out now because I'll like forget
about it or I won't.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
It won't feel it feels.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, it feels like these little moments where something I
get like get like super sparked by by whatever it is.
And I don't know, I think, yeah, I think I'm
I'm quite like I'm definitely an artist that will go
and look for things in all kinds of places.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Like it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
It's it's that there's like so much and it and
it also is like such a joy because if and
it's always like bled in you know, it's always bled
from fashion and film as well, and it and like
and from like my own personal life very much so.
But like it kind of all feels like very open

(46:45):
and open to you know that it could that kind
of something might come from from anywhere in a way.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, your videos are cool too. I actually really like you.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
But yeah, I can't I can't wait for you to
watch the new video I just made for Do you
listen to that song model actress whatever?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I was going to bring that up for it.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm never been more excited about a video in my life.
Like I feel like it's just like completely different from
what I've ever done. It's really like taking the piss
out of myself and in like a kind of very
empowering way. But it's like genuinely really funny and I
don't know, I've never done something that's like funny and

(47:24):
it's got script in it, and like there's just like, yeah,
I feel like there's like so much personality that comes
out in it and kind of the yeah that I
just quite got to put so much of myself into it.
I really can't wait for you to see that one.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I'm excited to see you.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
But yeah, so like fashion what I was saying, it's
like so much you know, there's so much that that
I can pull from and bring into like creating like
a world around the music, which is really like the
most you know, like yeah, you want, you want the
music to be awesome, but there's so much else around
that little three minute song yeah that you're you know,

(48:02):
that you're putting into making, yeah, making it an experience
for people.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
It's cool the ye all these I mean, it's it's
like you've kind of I mean, I guess you just
you said you're taking like kind of like the piss
out of you. First of all, when I.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
First take myself exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
When I first heard your I think I didn't get
hip to you till your first album and I heard
Move and I was kind of done it, like I
was the Susie Quadro line. I was like, I'm inn
like this is like it was, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
That line was something that like I always have like
little lines and all things you know that you write
down on something, oh, something someone said to me, And
that line was like I was backstage at a white
stripe show like years.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
And years and years before and years ago there.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, yeah, and I was, and I was wearing like
some like leather thing and I was quite young, and
Jack White like walked back, like walked past me and
was like, oh, you look like Susie Quatro and that,
and that was like I didn't know who Susie Quatro was,
but I was like, I was like, who's that? And
I like went home and got really into her music,
and I was like, and you know, I wrote down

(49:05):
like dear Harry.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Like like Jack White said that I like Susie Quatrix.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
So I ended up like putting that in a song
that was kind of about like a totally different thing
about like a certain night that had with somebody who
who didn't say that I looked like Susiequadron, but I
had that line in there.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah, So sorry. That was a sidebar No, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Jack White told me I look like Malcolm Glad very different.
Jack White stories Susie Quadron, I love Malcai's a friend,
but Jesus Christ, Suzi Quadrill is cool as hell.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Yeah that was cool.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
That's that's it's incredible that came from from from him,
from a from a Detroit No, the Detroit legend. But yeah,
I was in. I was in at that. So I
remember hearing that, heard that line, that's fucking incredible. I
heard the rest of songs, songs amazing, heard the album,
loved that album, and then I was like, looked at Hi.
I was like, oh, I didn't. I didn't even know
you were a model and an actress. But it's incredible
that you have all these different sort of areas to play,

(49:59):
being able to go do Daisy Joneson's six or whatever
comes next in terms of your acting, and then go
do an album. It's like if something ever gets frustrated
and isn't fun anymore, you can kind of go focus
on the other thing.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, I'm really I'm really lucky to have had that experience,
especially like I mean, it's it felt like that to
be honest with you, like who knows what the next
few years will be like. And it was very unique
the last couple of years to do to get to
do such an amazing show, and then you know, when
I even signed on to that show, I hadn't even
made a.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Record, so it was no, what did you sign on
like January twenty twenty, Wow?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Uh no, But.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Before that and then and then we went to rehearsals,
then everything closed down. Then we had to push for
a year and made very record in between. Then when
the world shut down, then we went back shot it.
And the day Daisy Jones finished was when my record
came out. And then we'd been acting going on tour,
and then I went on tour. So it was a
very unique, strange like that was like a very unique

(50:57):
situation where like, oh, it's been like I feel like, yeah,
when I look at like, oh, being able to act
and do music and do that that I really think
like the lost yeah, the last two it's a unique situation.
And it was like it wasn't like very sustainable, Like
I was waking up at like four in the morning
doing interviews for the album.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Release, like it was like incredibly hactic.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It probably wouldn't like something that like that I don't
think would work now, like especially now I have like
a kid, Yeah, exactly. So it was very it was
like a very unique kind of set of events and
like and also like and kind of finally having that
moment where I could where I could kind of where
I yeah got it together to even like put a
record out and like push myself in that way because

(51:40):
I was yeah, I was like scared. I was like, yeah,
it was really like a hell back for a long
time because of like, yeah, I guess like a lot
of like fear of and it's just timing.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Sometimes sometimes just suddenly something your your instincts suddenly go okay,
it's it's time to. It's it's like time to, it's
it's your you know. It's like a moment where and
I had, yeah I had, I had low expectations and
it turned out like better than I thought it would,
which is cool. But you just never I don't know,
you never know which way you're going in this crazy

(52:13):
world that we are in. So yeah, it's been Yeah,
I wouldn't It's not like yeah, I don't know if
it will always be.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Like you know, seems so seamless as well, you.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Know, but also fil must have kind of be like
a which ways up kind of thing too, like you know,
in terms of you're on stage, and the performances in
Daisy Johones and the Six were like incredibly like not
realistic the word, but I mean they were incredibly convincing.
You guys.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
They really made us like, actually do they like we
We had to play every single note they wanted to. Yeah,
they wanted the cameras, so we rehearsed hours and hours
a day. They wanted the cameras to be able to
roam and that you would be hitting the right note
at the right time.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
So it was like they really weren't messing around.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
They weren't playing with us like they were like when
we signed on, it was like this is going to
be an incredibly intense like we want.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Every you know.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And that was kind of scary because at the beginning,
I was like, you know, it's like a job interfere.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Like yeah, yeah, we all were doing that.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
We were all like oh yeah, and then and then
you know, you just but yeah, you and we come on.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I mean, she's got such an amazing voice.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Her voice is really really stunning, and she should really.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
She sounds great.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, she has like.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
An incredibly unique like she can really belt and it's beautiful,
and she just knew what to do on stage, Like
it was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
It has to be in her DNA somewhere.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Oh my god, I mean everything, Like she's just like
such an amazing actress and like such a fun human
to be around, like everyone was.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
But yeah, so that was that was that.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, we we kind of like knew going in that
it was really going to be like that.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
You know, it was serious.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
It was boot camp and we did so much, so
much work before we actually got on stage, but it
was Yeah, it made it.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
It made it like so much.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
It made it like so rewarding actually and so funny
as well to do that with a group of people,
you know, like it's so funny to be like basically
suck and like and all just like get better together
and actually like by the end be like, yeah, we
like we did this.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You guys could actually do an album that wasn't the soundtrack.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
I know, it would be so fun. Yeah, it would
be fun.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
We were trying to we were trying to go on
stage and everything, and then there was like strikes and
all kinds of things that happened.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, before you go, what what's the store? Lawsuit? Peacked
my my?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Oh yeah, do you like it?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I do? And then yeah, but like it was that
was that? What I mean? Did it? Does that come
up from your life or is it just I feel
like that.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
One was like a cheeky like we wanted like a
metaphor for like I can't Yeah, I kind of like
love the idea of yeah, it's probably what you're going
back to you like sounding quite mean, actually, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
It's like you're like, that's scary. That is scary.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
But I thought that word was quite like an entertaining
kind of idea of like, yeah, all the girls lyning
around the bathroom and like everyone's everyone's exchanging information and
like there's a bunch of that like know, you know,
we've all like got we've all like actually discussed what
you're like, and we've got this like yeah, it's like
a metaphorical kind of like we've we've got like the

(55:18):
lawsuit of all the ship that you've that you've.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Done, you know. Yeah, but that was Yeah, I don't know,
I think like that kind.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Of how did you hit on that as a metaphor
sorry that kind.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Of well, it was like kind of that sort of yeah,
I guess I kind of wanted like a Chryl Crowe song.
I think that was like where where I went to
with that, like, you know, having that kind of like
laid back. I love Lucinder Williams. I love like that
plain song problem with It. That was like another so
good Katie from Maxahachius and it's like the most beautiful

(55:51):
song problem with It. But yeah, like something you know,
and and like going on tour as well, like you
start going, yeah, I don't know, like changed me a lot,
like starting to go and do shows and you think,
like you start going like what would be.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Like, yeah, good luck with that last suit you know
you got.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I just knew that kind of kept going around my
head and I was like, oh, that's that would be
like a really fun thing for people to pay for,
for people to like be singing a show.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
That's pretty amazing. And I mean I was curious to also.
I guess I was sort of curious too, Like just
with your I mean there's so many I don't phrase
other than I guess in acting, it feels like there's
a lot of bad act bad actors, not in the
actual acting sense. I mean people with bad intentions, right right, right,
you can come across that, you can come across And

(56:39):
I don't know much about the modeling world. I imagine
that's there as well.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Fucked up.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, it's all fun, it's not all fucked It's actually
not all fun.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
It's not all fun.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Not.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
No, I think there's like I think it's there's like things. Yeah,
I think there's like things that I don't know. It's
kind of like, but I also think there's I don't know,
we forget that there's like really fucked up stuff that
goes on.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
And like working at MacDonald's too, it's like you know, like.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
There's so there's there's Yeah, there's fuck, there's functionhit everywhere.
I don't know this, there's a there's like there's stories
as old as the Tale of Time, isn't it with
like in our industry and like, but I don't know.
Do you don't think music industry is fucked up as well?

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Or it can be fucked up or they can be No,
you don't think no, it can be No, it can
be right.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Like look at like the history of like what happens
to musicians and like and how I don't know, I
think you can get Yeah, I think, yeah, maybe it's
like a difficult thing too. I think Schapel Warren spoke
about it recently. I feel like do you remember she
was talking about like she said something like, oh, people
do very well when like there's sort of like no

(57:53):
boundaries and you have to you kind of you get
like worked into the ground or like you can do
very well, but like you you personally will you know,
it's hard to Yeah, maybe it's hard to like have that.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I guess it's I guess only.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
You can go, hey, is it crazy that I haven't
had like a day off in six months?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Or you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Like and and that's actually quite difficult to be the
advocate for yourself to like be able to actually like
live life. And but it's like so important, especially with
especially with music, because if there's no if you're just
like working all the time and and you're not actually
going to get to go and like live life, like

(58:34):
what the hell, you know, you won't have anything to.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
To write about.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
So there has to be like that that breathing that
kind of like off time in a way. But yeah,
you have to kind of like learn how to advocate
for yourself, which is something which is difficult when you're
when you know you want to do really well and
you want to like please everyone around you and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
It gets easy.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I think it gets Yeah, I don't know for me personally,
it's got it gets. It just gets easier and actually
more enjoyable as I get older, because.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I'm better. You go, like, I've been around the block.
I kind of know.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I know what it looks like to to be working
a lot and doing well and also be miserable, and
like you know, you you kind of you you kind
of like figure it out more more.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
You're doing a great job. I wish I knew how
to say no other people and set more boundaries for myself.
So I'm walking away.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Do you feel do you feel like overworked? Do you
feel like it's too everything's like a lot and we're
in your workplace though we got it's like, yeah, actually
this is insane a little yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
You know, actually, but you know what what I get
to do is, but it's it's it's and it's harder.
But I was gonna say, what I get to do
is fun and so I think it disguises a little
more fun. Sometimes it's all about fun.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, exactly, it is about That's why I'm I don't know.
That's where I'm like trying to trying to go at
the moment is like how actually, like sometimes you forget
that things can actually be really fun and like it
doesn't you know, it get Yeah, it feels like it
gets more and more fun as like a sort of Yeah,
you have like amazing collaborators around you, and you have
like great people and you sort of can discern better

(01:00:18):
and like what you know who and what you want
to be around and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Like how you want to create.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, something I think about and like maybe yeah, I
don't have to be like tortured and crazy and fucked
up to like make stuff, you know, and it can
there's like it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah, maybe it doesn't always have to be like that
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
That's the hope. That's the hope.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, you know that's like that's like, yeah, I kind
of have that on my album cover for Memoir of
Sparkle Muff and I have like on the back cover
it side there's like this orange red sort of like
La glare, which is sort of like glamorous and like sinful,
and I've got this like kind of diamond choker around
my neck and it's like a cage. And and then
the front cover is sort of this like I was

(01:00:58):
like thinking about like that movie More Holland Drive and
like you know, the car crash in there, and I've
like come down the street and this glamorous dress and
I'm I found this like kind of safe, cocooned oasis
that I've like created myself. There's like two kind of
like flip sides for like for like the memoirs. So
a lot of the album kind of like almost is

(01:01:21):
like dealing or like confronting that sort of like metamorphois.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
So are you the are you the Sparkle?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Course? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
And it does it actually feel like a memoir? Does
it actually feel like a memoir?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
And someone, Yeah, it does in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I guess it's like yeah, it's I'm always like, so
I just like love, I love like I just like
love people's memoirs. I'm obsessed, like that is what I
want to know about. I want to know about like
real people's lives, Like like I love like the Jane
Fonder documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
That one was like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I was just talking about the other day I watched it.
I mean maybe because it's a plane. I cried watching that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
It's amazing, was wild because it's just like seeing her
tapestry of her life and like how everything connected in
the career and the different partners she had, and like
just to be able to kind of like contextualize all
that and see like the span of this like beautiful,
amazing life that she's had.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
She's had one of the most incredible livesset and and
and you think obviously with her father being who he
was that you know, but the child I was just
just broke my heart, you know that whole bit. Yeah,
but you know, but then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's unbelievable, isn't it. It's like I never knew anything
like that about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
About no clue about her, no clue.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
And you look at her and you're like, you're a
fucking survivor, like and you thrive and the most.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Fucking incredible people ever, you know what I mean, Like
all the ship she did with Ted Turner and and
and for for you know, for bringing in people even
like that. Don't like, don't it's just like what in
the do you wanna say? The workout videos, workout videos wild.
I had no clue because I remember I remember my mom,
Grandma's sad around the house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
You know, you know, the contacts behind it, the story
of what's actually going on?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Very cool, incredible, like yeah, I love I love like
her memoir. I really loved or like her documentary. There
was a bunch. There's like a an artist called Duncan.
Hannah was super inspired by his Like they're like his
diaries from the sixties and seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
These are so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It's just like like, oh, on Monday, like lou Reed
walked in and like an interaction he's had with him
and he kind of actually like paints him and not
so much of a nice light, which is kind of
fun because it's just exactly as it was happening. And
like Liz Fair's book I really enjoyed. She wrote a
memoir of called Horror Stories, which is like do you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Know about it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
These very honest vignettes from like her life and as
a rock star, and she's so honest and there's like, yeah,
there's certain like chapters in that in that book where
it's like it's kind of like shifting it almost like shit,
you know when you read something and you're like, oh,
like I'll almost I'll remember this when I'm thinking about
doing this, or like, you know, it was so so beautiful.

(01:03:52):
I love like Julia Fox's autobiography.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I've never read that one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
It's brilliant, Like yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, Like yeah, just
to like have that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Maybe I'm not like ready to write my memoirs yet,
but I definitely like that doing it in and in and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Out album will suffice for now. You've got a long
way to go. Thanks so much for for for the
music for the album, and uh and for for for.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Thanks so much for Sukie Waterhouse for talking us through
her new album My More Have a Sparkle muffin to
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