June 5, 2025 • 49 mins
In the premiere of HIGHKEY!, hosts Yvie Oddly, Ben O’Keefe, and Ryan Mitchell get personal — and hilarious — about growing up queer, coming out, and redefining what “queer identity” means today. They unpack how LGBTQ+ stories show up (or don’t) in pop culture, why Pride feels different now, and what happens when queer joy meets corporate branding. From dial-up porn searches to first crushes, to why “professional gays” are tired—this episode is full of raw honesty, wild memories, and big laughs. The trio shares how they found chosen family and why queer joy is more radical than ever.
If you’ve ever felt like the only weirdo in the room, this one’s for you. It’s bold, it’s messy, and it’s just the beginning.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I remember the first time my mom caught me watching Apebourne,
which was wild. I sparked up the dial up internet
and thought I should look up big black dicks and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Thought that was okay. Like my mama wasn't in the
other road. She walk up here, and that's what.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
I'm EVI oddly and if you don't already know who
I am, you're probably driving at Tesla. I'm a drag queen,
professional shitster, and the weirdest winner of RuPaul's drag Race.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm been okay recovering political strategists, Oscar shortlisted filmmaker and
Forbes thirty Under thirty honoree, and very humble. I've shaped
presidential campaigns. I've taken on billion dollar brands like Abercrombie
and Fitch, and I have built a play for turning
hot takes into real change.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm Ryan Mitchell, a lover of all things culture.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'm an entertainment media consultant, a glad, a culture critic,
and the NFL's first LGBTQ brand investor because ya sports
and also clops that now I'm going to be the
one that says everything that you're thinking literally, because if
not me, then who.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to High Key.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, I'm veto Key, I'm Ryan Mitchell, and I'm EVI Oddly.
Today for our very first episode, we are going to
introduce ourselves by digging into a juicy question about queerness.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But first, I think it's time we have a little
bit of a high key key.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I know, like a secret I thought was a secret
that became then like a close friend's Instagram thing, which
is like, Ryan, you were seeing someone.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
First of all, clock my t tell of my business.
We bring it here to the show. But it's over, No,
it's done. We went on two dates and those two
dates were really wonderful and I felt like I was
finally connected with someone. He was like the first person
that I met on the dating apps that I hadn't
been on in like six months because I hate it.
(02:08):
And the chemistry was just really nice and the energy
was really good and the first date was romantic.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We're so happy, Like you were really into him.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, everything was going good.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Also, like the way you described this man, I was
like lock it in, sist, get pregnant.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
He is what he was like like six.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
X seed, Like I'm not going to disclose what he
does for.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Work, but impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, his bank accounts very impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And elect I knew electric Audi, the little s, you know,
like it was very cute. Anyway, the material things.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Dont matter to me, but I was wow, clearly.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
But he just wanted to slow it down because he
needed to like check in with himself and like figure
out why he was having like this intense swing of emotions.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And I was like, I don't know what else to
say to that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Like being like, Okay, I understand, and I'm happy you're
putting yourself first. I respect that because don't bring that
chaos over here. But it's just it made me really
feel like so stupid that I kind of like was
so thinking about the possibilities of this being like a legit,
real thing.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So at the end of the day, this is what
I've been dealing with on top of all the other
things in my life, which I get. We all go
through things, but like, I don't know, maybe I'm destined
to be single.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Who knows. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
No, you're not destined to be single. Yeah, yeah you are.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
We're all born alone and we.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All dialoge did you say yes you are? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You're gonna dialone?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What what?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Stevie's not the friend to go to for these things.
But I mean, like I think it's like a people
thing generally too. Like I've been thinking this week. It's
like obviously, like yes, you're going through that, but we
also have a lot of good things, Like we just
launched the show that we're recording right now, and I
know that we're going to have Like literally I think
when this airs, the billboard is going up in Times Square, right,
(04:00):
like this is a big thing, Like this is wild,
and like I know, for all three of us, it's
such a dream. But what's been really interesting is, you know,
we launched the trailer last week, and what I was
kind of thinking of was like all these people started
reaching out that like hadn't talked to me in years.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Like how are you?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I miss you?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
We should meet up. Oh, by the way, congratulations on
your iHeart podcast.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know what I mean, rightta you have been like
in the cut, like you haven't really been as active
except for in your stories, So maybe the people have
been missing you.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
That's true. I mean I hit away because I mean
to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I I deleted a thousand posts on my Instagram, you know,
like hit away because I was losing weight. I lost
one hundred and seventy five pounds, and like I didn't
want to be perceived by the world at that time,
So like I did hide away, and I will take
ownership for that. But it feels like sometimes people only
want to be in your life when things are going good,
(04:53):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I just maybe
I was two in my feelings, but that's how I
was feeling this week. I was like, oh, like I
could have really used this six months ago.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
No, but that is a kind of just like a
human sentiment. I feel it's naturally ingrained in us. Not
only because people do intimately feel like they're a part
of your story. So whenever you see somebody else who's
story you're part of, doing well, you just want to
be like, hey, I'm thinking of you. Yeah, I'd love
(05:21):
to tell you how proud I am of you. Yeah.
And also like it boils down to the fact that
they are thinking of you. They're thinking of you because
they see you. They see you out in the spaces,
they see your face more than they ever did before.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I'm taking it too personally, right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, and also you got to remember the algorithm betrays
us so much where people don't see you all as
often as we would want them to. And so when
we do have a big moment that it will just somehow,
you know, magically hit in the algo, it's like, oh,
what the hell?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Theyman like I had a lot of people kind of
do that same thing with me.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So hopefully with this show, the algorithm and betray us
and everybody sees it and wants to like hit us
of all the time.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
It's why I had to hold back from having hissy
fits on the slat apps when people, when gays would
be like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
God, you were in tem for a show, where is it?
And I'm like, it was yesterday. They're like, I'm your
biggest fan. It was yesterday obviously not. Well, it's like
we did that we I guess folks don't know because
we did them privately. But we recorded a bunch of
(06:29):
like kind of test episodes so we wouldn't kind of
just like fall into this never having practice. And we
did that one conversation about friendships, you remember. I think
it's gonna be on the Patreon.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Subscribe to the Patreon by the way, and it kind
of reminds me of that because we're like we call
so many people friends, and like what does it really
mean to be a friend? And I guess like what
we kind of unpacked was like friendship varies by person,
and like we all have our own lives and we
all have our own things going on. I guess it's
just like and this is also another conversation we had
about like ask for help. It was like, oh man,
(07:01):
I wish maybe I should have like said something if
I was missing people, like I guess I could have
reached out too, and I guess I could have made
that effort as well. But it's just it's it's interesting
things are changing, and I think things are going to
change in your relationship based on this new proximity to
visibility that you have right as if you haven't been
doing things for years and years. But this is a
big deal and like, oh no, I think all the
gays are going to come out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now Why am I? This was about you?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
I think this? Yeah, yeah, this is what happens in general.
It's like anytime you do something cool, people are going
to be there for you. And that's the I actually,
didn't you do something cool?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Evie?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I thought you won something.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
America's next drag Superstar is.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Ebe Oddly.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, your heart and your mind? Yeah, touche and I
want my heart. But you also make me cry. You
Be commented the other day on Instagram it is like,
I can't wait to make you cry more on the show,
and I was like, oh, you Bill in so many ways,
Oh my god, that's here.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
In so many ways. We're gonna to ask the good
questions here. Also, I'm gonna bully the shit out of you.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Speaking of speaking about I mean, what are you doing
this weekend?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
We just got back from London and like, how are
you doing?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I got back a minute ago, but my body finally
just now adjusted to actually being back. Since then, I've
already started Pride season and it's been like I alway
was surprised into Pride. I got back and was going
to do some gigs and got there and they were like, yeah,
it's Pride, it's Pride over there. This is a Pride
thing without the Pride name, and it was really nice.
(08:33):
I enjoyed it. I got to just have this spirit
of Pride during Pride, which was sexy that's nice.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I know.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's also Pride is a lot for both of you
because you both like are professional gays.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, it's slow key kind of overwhelming, especially this year.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Normally I feel like I have it all together.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I am a host of a music festival that is
a part of Wehoe Pride West Hollywood Pride called Out Loud,
and I'm very excited about this year. The lineup's great,
but I just feel so unprepared. And then also on
top of like everything else that surrounds Pride, like I
fell into kind of being a corporate gag, Like somehow
my identity became the way that I made checks in
(09:14):
a living, and like anytime that I like turn on
the news, I'm seeing our rights and everything that actually
has to do with identity being taken away every five
fucking seconds. And so it's one of those things where
I'm like, I try to like disassociate from it and
just kind of push through and be like, Okay, let's
get these three days over and if something else pops up,
like a Pride panel where you got to talk about
(09:35):
the thing, which I haven't done a Pride panel in
so long because I like stopped. I was like refusing
to do them because at some point we were just
saying the same things over and over and over again,
and I was just over I was like, there's no
way I can like remix this, give y'all a little moment. No,
I'm tired of it, and y'all ain't really paying that
much money, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well, girl, that's like the issue overall with pride for
me is like what I can expect at the end
of a drag show, now, you know, where I know
that if somebody doesn't, then it's my job to come
up and say kind of all the same things that
people have already known, and that I personally feel a
lot of like queer progressives are just really good at
(10:18):
beating down people's throats, which is like we're here and
we're queer, and our rights are being taken away, and
also don't forget about Palestine, and also like you know,
there's just like a plethora of things that it feels
like when you're a professional gay, it is your duty
to touch on hitting when the reality of it is
(10:38):
the prid is this protest that comes from the fact
that your existence is not allowed, and they're making it
clearer and clearer every day.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And drag quids are low key like the Mickey Mouse
is of.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Gay clips exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Y'all are like an amusement of some sorts, right, And
I would only I would imagine that actually you have
to kind of like take yourself out of it and
just do the job that you're you know, hired to do,
because it could be I would imagine draining right.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Well, because it's yeah, it's it's extremely draining.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Another club, another club, but like another well, it's weird
when it's like another club, another club, and your job,
your primary job is to turn the party and to
make sure that people are feeling themselves.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
But you also know that in Pride season, people really
are looking for a reason that we're all together. And
for me it's just recently been like I am thankful
to be sharing joy here. I don't want to talk
too much about what the world is doing because we
already know remember this space and remember this time, remember
(11:39):
that smile that you had, and like remember what brought
it to you, because this is the shit they can't erase.
So I find Pride itself to be a little bit
draining in one way, going around and kind of just
repeating the same message. But on the other hand, I
lose myself so deeply in these events, in these gig
(12:00):
specifically because I remember being like a queer going to
my first Pride.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I was just thinking about that my first Pride, I
was working at hard Rock and I was doing the
bartender because I work downtown, and I was like passing
out shots and things like that, like are getting people's
to buy like liquor. And it was Nashville Pride, and
I had never been to Nashville Pride. I didn't even
really know it existed in some ways, and when I
was there, I kind of was like wow, Like this
(12:27):
was like amazing to know that there's like so many
queer people this concert's happening. And sometimes I wish, like
when this season comes around, like I'm so grateful to
be able to do what I do and to be
able to be on a main stage and like rocket
and kill it, But like I do miss the innocence
of just experiencing this world that I had never experienced before.
(12:48):
I don't think you'll ever get that again once you're
kind of in the cycle of it all.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Well, cause because we live our lives every day not
really seeing queer people represented like that, Yeah, you see
that one gay guy on the bus, you know that
one bank tellers of a them whatever. But there's nothing
like coming out into a world and being like, oh no,
we exist everywhere. There's so many of us, Like I
don't know where they all these roaches crawled out from under,
(13:16):
but like they're out in the streets and they're waving flags. Now,
what's what's your experience, like, Ben? Cause, yeah, I might
not be a professional gay anymore, but I know you
still get thrown into some pride mix I do.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I mean, and like I've had all sorts of like
of Pride experiences.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I've been thinking about two things.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
One I've been thinking about like corporations in Pride and
now like prides are struggling to pay their bills because
there aren't corporations in Pride. But for a long time,
we didn't want corporations to be in Pride. And now
I'm like struggling with that. I remember I did a
Pride gig for foot Locker, and I literally had to
sue them to get my payment. It was it was wild,
like my face is plastered with little rainbows and like
(13:54):
and like I can't get my like fifteen hundred dollars,
you know what I mean. It's so I've had a
lot of burned experiences. But then like the Pride that
I remember the most is I was hosting a New
York City Pride stage right after the Pull shooting, and
I'm from Orlando, Florida. Pulse was the first gay club
I ever went to. I'll never forget that morning, waking
(14:17):
up and having to call like exes and friends and
all sorts of people to wonder if they were there.
And unfortunately, I did lose a friend in Pulse. And
it was weird because I was on this stage and
we were like flanked by guys with like snipers and
like machine guns and all of this stuff. And I
was reminded, like to be queers, to be unsafe at
(14:40):
all times, but to be queer in community, it's like
that's where the safety was. And like I didn't feel
safer because of those guns, Like I felt safer because
of the people that were marching by me, because like
I knew that if something happened, we would fight for
each other. And so I think I'm just like, really,
I'm a New Yorker, Like I think I walk by
Stonewall All the time. I think about the radical nature
(15:02):
of Pride, and for me it's like Pride is a
protest and like Evie, I think your point is super important.
Joy is super important, and like joy is an important
part of protest, an important part of being an activists.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's the number one thing that they're gonna try and strip.
They're absolutely every smile of a dragon queen with a
child and.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Look and to have joy in this time is radical
and it is that is the ultimate kind of fuck
you to the folks who want to see us struggle.
Is like, by living authentically radically, by being a slut,
if that's you, Evie, by being a you know whatever,
whatever it is that you need to do to be
(15:42):
your queer self, that's what you're allowed to do.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Like, that's what pride is to me. So I still
always love Pride.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And I think pride is remembering that we get to
do this sort of celebration on the back of like
trans women of color. Absolutely, you know, I think when
when people talk about Marsha P. Johnson and are like Sylvia,
and there's these moments where you know it is queer history.
But I as a black queer person, I'm like, actually,
(16:09):
that's like black queer history. That the fact that we
had these like two incredible like icons leading the march
of like being heard and like listen to and like
at the end of their lives, people forgot about that work.
People forgot about them. And for me it's hearing like
especially around this time, like a lot of like cis
(16:31):
white Gay's shout out to y'all, we love you, but
also like we can't just this isn't bros.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You can't just do like the.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Bring up Marsha P. Johnson as a straight one on
one so everyone knows. I need us to realize, like
pride is here and the things that we get to
do is because of a lot of things that queer
and trans woman of color black women specifically have land
and done. And so for me, it's also remembering that
and challenging folks to not co opt what this is.
(17:02):
This isn't a time this is a time to do boppers,
but also it's a time to remember you're doing bop.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah exactly, don't hit the bottle too hard, Mama, who
give you those poppershat? Trans women bury it no shame,
but it's so true. We have to remember our history,
and we are so bad at that as queer people.
And how do we have a future if we don't
remember our past? The gay right instead of riding cars
(17:29):
and so up rating everything because you have your rights,
one person chose all your right. It's not just the party. Probably,
it's not just the party. You protest and then you
party and celebrate after all.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Right, Yeah, I think we need to take a break.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And when we get back, we are digging into the
good part of the episode. When we don't have guests,
this is what we do. We dig into a big question,
a big idea, something that's burning in our heads. And
all this gay shit is making me think of big question,
which is what is the gayest thing about you?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And I think the conversation is going to go places
we don't expect.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, yeah, because who told.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You I was yet exactly here we go exactly so
we'll see you in a second hike.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Welcome back to high Key.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think we need to turn up the heat a
little bit, ladies and go deep. And you know how
we do every so often when it's just us, no
special guests, we like to have a conversation about a
big idea that is on our hearts or on our
minds or a little bit of both. And this week
I have a question that I think is going to
introduce us pretty well, okay, and it's what's the gayest
(18:39):
thing about you?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Who puts you in charge of icebreakers? Because wow?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You know the classic zoom icebreaker? Basically, well, wow.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Okay, let's do this. I mean, there's a few things
that make me like the gayest thing. I mean, the
fact that I can like pick a Charmed episode in
season just by what they're wearing in a screenshot.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Is kind of super gay.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I also think my style is super gay in a
lot of different ways, right, I mean, even like as
a kid, like the ways that I used style as
like a vehicle. I didn't have the language for it,
but I used style as a vehicle to like get
away from the norms of what my mom was trying
to put on me as like this black you know
kid growing up, Like she wanted me down in Fu
(19:22):
Buu in the South Post, which I did, weigh everyone.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
It was a very comfortable South Post sweater with the blue.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But actually I'm kind of sad I don't have anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But she really was like wanting me to kind of
dress as the other boys, as she would say, But
I was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Take me down to the avenue.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I'm going to American Eagle and I'm going to the
you know, the the Hollisters and all the kind of
like the the about to say I was, but I
didn't want to trigger trigger man. But I think about one,
you know, those things kind of being like the gayest
things about me. Besides, like I don't even I'm not
(19:59):
even really connect to the word gay.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
See that's how I do.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
She said, I'm not one of those gays.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'm a queer well exactly like I grew up conservative
Catholic family right, Like I was like, gays are going
to hell. It took me a long time to feel
comfortable in my own identity. And then it was like, oh,
I'm gay and i want the mister and mister pillows,
and I'm like ready for it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And for you driving a bus to hell, absolutely bitch right.
I was like a glisten student ambassador. I like forged
my mom's signature so I could fly to LA and
like be media trained to be a professional gay well
being in the closet, I was proud of being gay.
I you know, I was in a relationship with at
the time who I thought was a man for a
very long time. But what a lot of people don't
(20:41):
know about me is my partner is actually a transwoman
and transitioned about five years Matty Hey Maddie transition about
five years into our nine year relationship, and I'm writing
an essay about it now. But basically, it's it's so
interesting because it's like, well, I'm dating a transwoman and
trans women are women.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I'm dating a woman, So are you not gay? No more?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Am I not gay?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
No more?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But that's how you.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Care homosexuality, date trans women?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Or just be queer?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Or just be queer? Right?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Which is more of like a feeling and experience than anything.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
What I really wanted the original question to be. But
I thought this question would open us up more. Is like,
is being queer a choice? And I think it's like
a controversial take because it's like being gay is not
a choice and we were born this way, totally sure,
But like, when I think about what it means to
be queer, it's more than just about who I sleep with.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's like this way that I see the world.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's like this identity and it's why like even sometimes
I have a hard time connecting with like gay people
are in gay culture because it's like I don't want
to go to a circuit party drag me.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I don't want to talk about working out. I want
to do you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I'm just saying, I don't know. I have this like
I'm both. Okay, I'm both. I am gay and I'm queer.
I think and and a she. Yeah, I'm a he,
I'm machine. I mean it, they them, I am the problem.
Like that's just what it always meant for me to
find this community, whatever we want to call it. I
(22:12):
remember coming out eventually as gay and being like, yeah,
that's what I'm going to tell people. And then I
realized that I was a drag queen, which made me
some facet of treans because I was now just a
fem like did it.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's gender nonconforming at minimum. In these
thirteen years, I've seen so much shift in the culture.
When I started doing drag, it was something you did closetedly,
like you people, at least you you didn't tell people
that you did drag because drag queens were not allowed
to be anything but drag queens outside of that space.
(22:50):
It's something that does still exist to an extent. I
bet you, I promise there's so many drag queens on
the slat apps right now who are trying not to
tell guys what they do for a living.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
The reason why I had like kind of perked up
around that is because you know, working in like so
many like LGBTQ spaces, they're oftentimes even like in our community,
especially like CIS gay spaces, like they can conflate being
a drag performer as a trans person and like, sure,
I don't think that's obviously what you were doing, but
I'm like, there's that thing where it's like there is
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a gender non conforming ability of being a drag performer,
but it's so different than being an explicit trans person.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
All this gay culture is just a reflection of the
femininity we are not allowed to express, including the side
of gay culture that's just rejecting femininity. The mask for
masks be out.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And we're getting more and more of that, and that's
what kind of scares me is for a while, like
I felt like gay CIS men, although very complicit in
many you know parts of toxic masculinity, and we've excluded
the lesbians, and there's all sorts of problems. It was
still like, oh, you're a gay man, like you feel
safer to me than like a sis straight man. But
the assimilation is deep, and then we're seeing like these
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maga gays, you know what I mean, who are like
white muscle gays who are like no longer what I
thought of as like a gay man, I guess.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And that's why I identify with the word queer, because
not only is it obviously an experience and a feeling,
but I think for me as a black queer person,
it actually allows me to have a little bit of
nuance because LGBT is so rooted in kind of like
whiteness and like honestly like low key and oftentimes like
pushing like white supremacy forward. And for me, when you're queer,
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as a black queer person, you're able to have a
little bit of nuance that exists in that space of
like this is how I show up in the world
and I experience the world, and for me, like that
is what it means to be queer because oftentimes, like
I remember the first time that I got my nails done,
and that was like fairly like a couple maybe twenty
twenty two when I.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Was that like a defining moment of your queer kind
of in.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Some ways, like it really was one of those moments
because I just remember going into the nail salon in
Pasadena and it was like Easter weekend on top of that,
and I was going with friends, and I was like,
I just remember I would go to the nail salon
with my mom, but she was like, this ain't for boys,
this is for girls, and you said over there, and
so like I remember kind of sitting in that moment
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getting my first pedicure and manicure and being like, wow,
like this feels really nice and wonderful when I can
get designs and I can like show up and express
myself in the way that I want to now. And
then that also opened the door for me to explore
like leaning it to you know.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
They then pronouns and in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That I had never done, because I felt like it
was being placed on me versus me actually like recognizing
it with them myself, and so like I feel like
queerness for me has always been an experience that's wrapped
in the intersections of who I am and never been
something that was just like an umbrella term as.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Some well, that's why I enough I as queer, but
in that umbrella, I have to accept that a part
of me is just a gay man, even if that's
like only on this one Thursday, like this one week,
at this one time when Charlie XCX drops this one
thing or whatever that every other gay guy is about.
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And even though I don't want to be a sheep,
I'm about too, Like I feel like there's this ultimate
division that's happening, which is why we're seeing a lot
of the magagays where as other more disenfranchised parts of
our community are given space. There's this overall group think
that happens when you are just like not caught up
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to where everyone is. Like I remember hearing the word
queer in a student services office a decade ago and
being like, nah, that's just not for me.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And there's a lot of older gay and lesbian folks
who don't like the word queer because it was weaponized
to get them for so long.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It was a trigger.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I was literally weaponized.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But that's where I ultimately end up finding my power,
and it is being like yeah. I like the fact
that I'm weird and everything I represent is about some deviancy.
I think the way it loses its power is when
people make it so weak, when they're like, when they
take away the ability for queer to mean such a
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vast majority of things, including some boring gay man somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So wait, who was y'all's gay awake? Like, did y'all
have one?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
I feel like mine was probably a cartoon.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Like Bugs Bunny.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
No no, no, no no no, not like Bugs Bunny, but.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Just Bunny's a queer. I got hold on, I said.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And my girlfriend Jesse the other day, Gee, all bit
monsters are interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I said, Now, let's get my patties in the waket.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I know, but I wasn't into the bunnies, do you
know what I mean? He can take his care. You know,
that wasn't for me. But I talk about like I
don't even know who. It was, like a superhero like
Robin or something, you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, He's like it was something like I feel like
for a lot of gang queer people, it's these like
characters that we were starting to have feelings for. Or
it's like it was like that boy on the playground
that made me feel a little fuzzy when I was
around him, or something like that, you.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I didn't have like a moment where I was like, oh,
I'm gay. I mean, I guess when I watched gay
porn for the first time. I don't know, something like that,
like not a celebrity or a celebrity I have.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
My celebrity was the tom cat from the Euristic.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Cats, see what I mean A cartoon.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
There we go, Like I didn't even realize this until
a couple of weeks back when I was like, oh
my gosh, I always wanted that cat, Like I desired
that cat.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
While your eyes are like sapphire sparkling so bright they
make the morning radiant?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Did you hear his voice?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I got to really discuss your relationships with cats.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Everybody wants to be a cat. That was the jazziest thing.
He tried to take care of this other cat's babies.
Or it's like the gay character. Yeah, sure, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, to be honest, my I feel like my gay
awakening had to be like a combination of like remember
that show, like and I might be like remember his
name wrong, but Jet Jackson.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm trying to live my life as a normal kid,
but some people still see me as the famous Jet Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He was like a black like Disney like he was
kind of like low key, like a secret agent, and
he was doing all these things. And unfortunately, like he's
no longer with us because he passed away due to
like taking his own life. But Jet Jackson was an
incredible like show that was like a black like secret
agent who like solved these missions.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He was a teenager and he was like so kind
of cool and he was so fine.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
When I remember that, I.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Feel like it was like early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Like what's did he out of existence? I'm swear, I like,
literally he is so hot.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Wait, let me not say that.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Lee Thompson Young, Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Lee Thompson Young, the famous Jeed.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Jack He was hampsome. I did not know him from that.
I knew him from Johnny's Tsunami.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Academy Kids, Ski Public School is board It's been that
way since snowboards weren't vented.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What did he kill? Is the Channel movie?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Channel movie.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I was all about that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But I say that is because like a lot of times,
like when I was experiencing those moments where like I'm
seeing someone on TV or honestly also shout out to
every male model that was on the front of an underwear.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Underwear wear departments.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Walmart, just like because they helped me through a lots.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Those rounded bulgers. I was like, I want my balls.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
To look like that, not even oh my goodness, those
catalogs really did. It's something to me, But I just
I just remembered because I wasn't allowed to obviously like
express myself, like I was still trying to figure that out,
and like I mean, if I'm being honest, the one
time I remember the first time my mom caught me
watching gape Hoorn, which was wild first time literally the
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first time. She wasn't no only but she was sleeping
in like the living room, and I just had this genius.
I need the computer. The family computer was in her room,
but she wasn't in there. We lived in apartment, you
bedroom apartment, and I don't know what I thought I
was doing, but my eyes sparked up the dial up
Internet and thought I should look up big black dicks
and thought that was okay. Like my mama wasn't in
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the other room and she woke up here and that's
what she was like, what are you doing? And I
remember getting hoot being like and I actually think, I
actually think I left it on the screen by accident,
Like I just went to the like like like literally
hit me up and being like.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
What are you? Like? What is this? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
She had a really visceral reaction, and I was just
being like, I just wanted to compare what was it?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Oh my gosh, what an explanation.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Wait, okay, it leads me to like what everybody's like
coming out experience with your parents triggered.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Oh not good. I don't know. That's so strange. Actually,
both of those questions are really hard because there was
always a part of me that was just like clearly,
clearly gay, But there was also always a part of
me that was just a slut or whatever. Like my
gayness was just an extension of these things that I
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remember being shamed about, Like I was shamed about like
fooling around with little kids boys and or girls. I
remember getting caught up a few times, like in my
early early childhood. And I think what ultimately made me
more queer and more gay is that even though all
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of this is like a dirty seat that kids are
not supposed to talk about. You're just supposed to think
your dirty thoughts and like keep them to yourself and
not look anything up ever on this new Google machine
in front of your mom. Sorry mom, Like I don't know.
I think the more that I got to learn that, yeah,
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we're not allowed to look any of that up, but
especially not stuff with little boys like you and these
other boys are not allowed to like bond in that
way that you're starting to make these relationships with women.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I had my technically first kiss when I was like
five and a boy and I have a visceral. Literally,
I have a memory of us kissing on the playground
and like we were you know how they put the
movies on, and like at that time, you're in school
and I remember trying to lay like my head in
his lap because I was clearly like a crushing on
this board, and the teacher literally moved me to the
(33:55):
back because she felt like I was being disruptive or whatever.
I remember I had this like I have a I
think we have like a oh photo. Any anyway, I
just remembered that being my first moment of being like
oh yeah, like I knew at a very young age
that I was queer.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I knew that, but like there were so many.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Stops, but it was the thing is knowing that everybody
else wasn't that way. Like even the straight guys I
like made out with. I don't know if all of
them still identify that way, but like they grew up
to be straight, even though we shared this, like these
experiences together, and it always made me believe that everyone
was just a little gay.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Well everyone is a little gay. I think we're not
really I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
There's a fluidity.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
And when I discovered queer some decade later, and then
when I came around to it some half decade later,
it was because I realized that that's what I was
looking for. Everybody is weird, and the things that you
make more deviant just become more radicalized in people like
they hated having gender so much that we tore it up,
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Like we we hated people telling us so much that
we just flung it into the air.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, And like I think people like that hate queerness,
are jealous of it, are jealous we are free enough
to like be ourselves based not on who you tell
us we have to be.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's like queerness is so freeing and liberating to me.
It's just like I am mean.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Like Mama, you can choose your own toppings too exactly
and make make your own life. Like we so many
things are just constructs that have been told to us
that are right or wrong. But then it's what do
you feel like you talk about that boy Ryan? I
was like, oh man, there's this boy named when we
were in elementary school. I don't I do, I do,
(35:45):
I don't care. That's my whole truth. Get ready for
my memoir this boy name girl. I'm like, I have
a lawyer already, like looking over everything. It's like, you
can't say that about her. I was like, no, I can,
because it's the truth.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Sorry nasty, but I mean the first boy I ever
kissed was in high school, ninth grade, loving the Death,
and he kissed me and he ran across the street
and we were both like little Catholic raised by Italians
like kind of situation, and it was like, oh my gosh,
like it felt so good, but it also felt so wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Wow, Like I felt like I was going to hell.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Was that really your first time?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Ben?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Because I'm talking like three and four. I remember making
out getting kicked out of daycare.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It's not that I watched I'm.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Playing my Doctor or something and what was going on
over there? Oh no, No, I never did that.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
No, that's my thing. It's like I I definitely had
feelings for people. I grew up in the South. I
grew up in a very very very conservative area in
a very very conservative family. It was not safe. It
was not even something that I viewed as a possibility.
Anytime we saw queer people, it was always like, oh, oh,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I was like, oh, they must be bad. I didn't
see them or think of it as queerness. It was
just like playing with other kids. Where did you grow up?
Denver and Denver?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
See, being in the South is like I agree with
Ben on this, Like it's just a completely different, a
different thing.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
But my family was all Southern Baptist. Like I was
raised Southern Baptist. I still understand what it feels like.
And that's also why I understand how shameful it was
that they just literally didn't talk when I did these
bad things, whether they were with boys or girls or whatever. Yeah,
my mom was tasked with the responsibility of being like
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that's that's wrong. We don't do that. You need to
go sit in time out.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I say my mom like threw holy water on me.
Like I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I knew I was queer, and I would have come
out in sixth grade, but I went to school with
my twin brother.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
We were in the same grade.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
We were in the same class, so I couldn't come
out at school because then he would go tell my
mom or that's how I felt, right, And so it's.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like, see the first person you came out to.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, the first person I came out to was in
church school. But that's the thing is, I didn't even
think I was gay. I thought everybody was.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Just a little gay, and the game was to just
not fall into it, especially because I still thought I
was Christian.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I believed in it so deeply. I was like, yeah, eventually,
I'll get better. I was being called gay in high school.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Yeah, I was being called gay my whole life.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I was being called gay in middle school.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean in middle school too. I feel like middle school.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Elementary school.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I tried to like, I was bullied so bad, and
kids would follow me around, bend over ben gay, like
all these things. I almost took my own life in
eighth grade, like I was. I remember like sobbing to
my drama teacher, being like, I can't do this anymore
because I was getting just harrassed relentlessly. I couldn't tell
my mom, I couldn't do anything about it, and I
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felt so trapped and so like when I think of
like being gay and like coming out, I'm so happy
that it's getting easier.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I get so excited seeing all the like proposals of
like the queer high school kids asking each other out.
Like my best friend who I just visited in New York,
she was my beard for like high school right like
she was my girl.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I went like we wore matching yellow and she who I.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Took to prom, and I was honestly when I got
my first car, honey, I was.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Drive a hood to go see her man that she
wasn't allowed to have.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
And so it was.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It was one of those things where.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm like I constantly want to answer your question, Ben,
I constantly have like still feel like I was coming out, like.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, my mom.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I would tell my mom one time and the next
minute was like acting like she never like literally remembered
and so like that is a concetant thing that I
feel like where folks go through oftentimes, which is why
I'm kind of like not a believer in coming out. Yeah,
there's this really beautiful moment that a mentor of mine,
doctor David John, who is the executive director of the
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National Black Justice Coalition.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
He talks about.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Inviting in instead of like coming out a person that
is like letting us know about who they are. They're
inviting us in into their queerness. Yeah, we should not
have to be obligated. Because no straight person is obligated
to tell us who they like, we shouldn't be obligated
to do the same thing. And I find that to
be so beautiful and wonderful and necessary to Like, all
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the future of queer kids are coming up behind us.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
I mean, maybe that's the future of the expression of
what coming out stemmed from them, because coming out, or
at least as we now understand it, coming out is
something that you do your whole life. Yeah, Like, you
do it any time you are interacting with another human
being and you're either choosing to let them know, like, hey,
(40:22):
I am a little queer. I've sucked to dick. I
like hair product whatever it is that makes you queer.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, well, honestly, I would love to know what all
the listeners, what is the gayest.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Thing about you?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Please let us know in the comments on social and
all the things like on TikTok Instagram if you're following
us at a high key here, because we got to
wrap this up because now I'm ready to get into
our high key stick around for it.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
We'll be back.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Hike.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Welcome back to Hike.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That sounded like an intro to like Cartoon Network or something.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
I'm trying to I'm trying to hoore myself out for
some voice work here, y'all. Do you hear that? Range? Okay,
but seriously, let's let's dive into some real meat, some
real juicy things. What are you high key looking forward to?
What are you high key about?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Okay? So, I mean, here's the thing. I feel like
this section.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Of the show will always be like a combination things
of what we're feeling of, like what we're recommendating.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
We're recommending to the world to do.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Girl, you better recommendate it to me.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, I know, right, What the hell?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
However, I think I'm actually low key, like high key,
not even low key I'm high key in my hater
era because all the praise that that show over Compensating
is getting is giving me major side. I So, if
y'all don't know about this show, over Compensating is a
new like college. It follows this college jock that's coming out.
(41:52):
It's on Prime video. Benito Skinner also known as Benny
Drama influencer all the things he's starring in it since
white gay Job, and everyone like loves it. I saw
this thing, this show months ago, and immediately was kind
of like, what in the two thousand and three is
going on here?
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Get ready? Yeah, you should get ready for my date?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Your date with a guy? I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Wow, we throw up, like I get it's funny. If
the jokes can like there, it's really funny. It's I
think it's like really made for like the TikTok of
it all, which is why it's like succeeding very well.
But as far as like a show that is supposed
to like represent and like the fact that we have
seen a decline in queer storytelling, especially queer intersectional storytelling,
the fact that we're all resorting back to like the
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cis why gayness of like a coming out moment and
like a colleging that doesn't even feel rooted any thing.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
It was so boring, boring.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I'm hike hat.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
He's been trying to make a show for a long time.
And one of my mentors is a television director, was
a showrunner of Girls, and he like had sent me
this script and he's like, do you know this guy?
Speaker 4 (42:59):
It was like five years and I was like.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
It's It's one of those things where I'm like, we
already have really brilliant shows, like you know, sex Lines
of College Girls, which unfortunately just got canceled.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm coming out as a bisexual. Yeah, way to go, girl.
We should really get going if we want to get
the good eggs.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yes, no, no, no, no, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And I just continue to think about what it means
for a moment like now and the climate that we're
in for a show like this to exist. And I've
just kind of been like sitting with this idea of
like we're seeing such a huge decline in storytelling that
you know, streamers are picking up and things we're picking
up where like there's no like people of color on
the cast except for like maybe one like Asian person
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on the cast of White People.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah, because we're going back.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, it's really sad to see.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
No.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
I think the big networks and conglomerates and whatever may
be moving backwards, but I think, honestly, the root of
the people is in more things. It's hard for people
for the TikTok generation to watch Netflix because it's just
a bunch of stuff that they can tell people are
trying to like sell them that doesn't relate to them anymore,
(44:11):
which is why they're everybody's so drawn in in something
where you get to hear stories from real people, their
real power, their perspectives, and it has ideas on everything.
The algorithm is constantly refreshing to tailor itself to whatever
you're into right now.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
So I know, it's just I don't want to like
there's a world where I'm I'm like very grateful that
there's like queer storytelling on the air, like I think
it's necessarily needed, but I'm also still like that's not
going to stop me for pushing and wanting more and
so overcompensating works for what it's doing, you know. Shout
out to Charlie XCX for being the music supervisor even
(44:50):
though for me, I feel like she did not do
what I thought.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
She was going to do. But it's start giving.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I hope everyone is like enjoying it, and I like
I said, it was funny when it was funny. But
to sit here and be like, oh, this show exists,
wah wah. Anyway, it's not for you, it's not for
any of us. It's not for me, and they don't
want it to be. Well, man, what's your high key?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm high key thankful this week actually, like I'm actually
kind of like feeling gushy.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
You guys always make fun of it.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm the cancer right, Cancer sun Aries, Moon, Cancer Rising,
all right, and I'm just feeling thankful because this is
our first episode. We just finished it, and I'm kind
of like sitting with that. We've been working on this
for a really long time. It's actually been years in
the making, and it's like a dream. It was a
dream of mine, it's a dream of all of ours,
and we're making it together. It's just been such a
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fun experience and and I'm thankful for everyone who's listening
right now, right, Like, if you are still listening to
the episode at this moment, like you are a real one,
and we're thankful for you. And I'm thankful to have
the opportunity to have a space to have these conversations.
Like when I first like freaking pitch this show, I
was like, there's no space for us to have conversations
(45:59):
like this. It's what you're talking about, Ryan, where it's like,
there's lots of spaces that are having day conversations and
that's great, but the intersection of our identities I think
create this space that hopefully shows people who don't feel
like they hear themselves enough that there are people like
them out there, that you're not alone, that we can
build community. And so I'm just feeling really good. I'm
high key thankful. I'm highkey ready for more. Yeah, that's me, heaps.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
I'm thankful for bad bitches that start fights.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
So you're thankful for the ZEUS network work for me.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
No, no, no, no. Honestly, it's kind of funny because
right now I'm I'm just high key all about uh
Rico Nasty's new album Her Yes, Lethal, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Things to listen to.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
I just I really love it because it feels like
she's still making this crazy, insane music that I really
vibed with. Honestly, I wouldn't have I don't know what
I would have done without like finding Rico Nasty in
the year that drag Race was all happening for me
(47:08):
because it gave me this space to like scream when
the rest of the world was telling me I had
to like smile and be polite and like hold all
this stuff back in and go and do your job
and be a good girl and aha, And it was
just this like space for like the internal scream. And
this album is so cool to watch this alternative artist
(47:32):
make trying to wrestle with how much of this like
scream identity is like for the people out there just
yeah sing it, and how much of you just really
needs to escape in these other interesting ways.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I will always fight for what I think it's right.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I'll always kick bitch's asses with my words and my
personality and just not caring.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Honestly, I feel like that's really how you kicked the ass.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Also, she shouted me out in an interview, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Wore okay, humble Bride, we love us, I love her,
I love her all right.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Well, y'all, I think that was our first show.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Huh, Yeah, that's our show we didn't.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
I'm honestly, like you said, been very all the high
key feelings, but it's so grateful to be doing it
with you three. I wouldn't imagine doing it with anyone else,
and trust me, I've been asked. So yeah, thank you
for being you always, and thank the listeners for listening
to us.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
We really appreciate you, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
See you next week, everybody, Stay messy, stay obsessed, and
stay hike Hike Now.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
If you're high key loving the vibes, come hang with
us on Patreon. We're giving a bonus content behind the
scenes t group chats.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Basically, that's where you'll find the high Key.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Key hi Key is a production of iHeart Podcasts as
part of the Outspoken Network. This show is created and
executive produced by Beno, Keith Ryan, Mitchell, Evey Oddley, and
Spoke Media. Our showrunner is Tyler Green. Our producers are
Jenna Burnett and Tess Ryan. Our video lead is Bo Delmore,
and our audio engineer is Sammy Sirett. Executive producers for
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Spoke Media are Travis Salmon, Bouinger and Aleah Tavicolian. Our
iHeart team is Jess crimechicch and Sierra Kaiser.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Our theme music is by Kayane Hersy and our show
art is by Work by Work.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
It's photography by Eric Carter. Our marketing lead is Jerome
Ware from shore Fire Media. Special thanks to Brigham Moseley, Justin,
Joseph Hall and all of Mike Pats and my therapist and.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
My job babysitter. Come pick her up, Jenna. This is
not the Patreon content, bitch.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
This is the only fans content.
I remember the first time my mom caught me watching Apebourne,
which was wild. I sparked up the dial up internet
and thought I should look up big black dicks and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Thought that was okay. Like my mama wasn't in the
other road. She walk up here, and that's what.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
I'm EVI oddly and if you don't already know who
I am, you're probably driving at Tesla. I'm a drag queen,
professional shitster, and the weirdest winner of RuPaul's drag Race.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm been okay recovering political strategists, Oscar shortlisted filmmaker and
Forbes thirty Under thirty honoree, and very humble. I've shaped
presidential campaigns. I've taken on billion dollar brands like Abercrombie
and Fitch, and I have built a play for turning
hot takes into real change.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm Ryan Mitchell, a lover of all things culture.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I'm an entertainment media consultant, a glad, a culture critic,
and the NFL's first LGBTQ brand investor because ya sports
and also clops that now I'm going to be the
one that says everything that you're thinking literally, because if
not me, then who.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to High Key.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, I'm veto Key, I'm Ryan Mitchell, and I'm EVI Oddly.
Today for our very first episode, we are going to
introduce ourselves by digging into a juicy question about queerness.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But first, I think it's time we have a little
bit of a high key key.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I know, like a secret I thought was a secret
that became then like a close friend's Instagram thing, which
is like, Ryan, you were seeing someone.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
First of all, clock my t tell of my business.
We bring it here to the show. But it's over, No,
it's done. We went on two dates and those two
dates were really wonderful and I felt like I was
finally connected with someone. He was like the first person
that I met on the dating apps that I hadn't
been on in like six months because I hate it.
(02:08):
And the chemistry was just really nice and the energy
was really good and the first date was romantic.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We're so happy, Like you were really into him.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, everything was going good.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Also, like the way you described this man, I was
like lock it in, sist, get pregnant.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
He is what he was like like six.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
X seed, Like I'm not going to disclose what he
does for.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Work, but impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, his bank accounts very impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And elect I knew electric Audi, the little s, you know,
like it was very cute. Anyway, the material things.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Dont matter to me, but I was wow, clearly.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
But he just wanted to slow it down because he
needed to like check in with himself and like figure
out why he was having like this intense swing of emotions.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And I was like, I don't know what else to
say to that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Like being like, Okay, I understand, and I'm happy you're
putting yourself first. I respect that because don't bring that
chaos over here. But it's just it made me really
feel like so stupid that I kind of like was
so thinking about the possibilities of this being like a legit,
real thing.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So at the end of the day, this is what
I've been dealing with on top of all the other
things in my life, which I get. We all go
through things, but like, I don't know, maybe I'm destined
to be single.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Who knows. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
No, you're not destined to be single. Yeah, yeah you are.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
We're all born alone and we.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All dialoge did you say yes you are? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
You're gonna dialone?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What what?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Stevie's not the friend to go to for these things.
But I mean, like I think it's like a people
thing generally too. Like I've been thinking this week. It's
like obviously, like yes, you're going through that, but we
also have a lot of good things, Like we just
launched the show that we're recording right now, and I
know that we're going to have Like literally I think
when this airs, the billboard is going up in Times Square, right,
(04:00):
like this is a big thing, Like this is wild,
and like I know, for all three of us, it's
such a dream. But what's been really interesting is, you know,
we launched the trailer last week, and what I was
kind of thinking of was like all these people started
reaching out that like hadn't talked to me in years.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Like how are you?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I miss you?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
We should meet up. Oh, by the way, congratulations on
your iHeart podcast.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know what I mean, rightta you have been like
in the cut, like you haven't really been as active
except for in your stories, So maybe the people have
been missing you.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
That's true. I mean I hit away because I mean
to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I I deleted a thousand posts on my Instagram, you know,
like hit away because I was losing weight. I lost
one hundred and seventy five pounds, and like I didn't
want to be perceived by the world at that time,
So like I did hide away, and I will take
ownership for that. But it feels like sometimes people only
want to be in your life when things are going good,
(04:53):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I just maybe
I was two in my feelings, but that's how I
was feeling this week. I was like, oh, like I
could have really used this six months ago.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
No, but that is a kind of just like a
human sentiment. I feel it's naturally ingrained in us. Not
only because people do intimately feel like they're a part
of your story. So whenever you see somebody else who's
story you're part of, doing well, you just want to
be like, hey, I'm thinking of you. Yeah, I'd love
(05:21):
to tell you how proud I am of you. Yeah.
And also like it boils down to the fact that
they are thinking of you. They're thinking of you because
they see you. They see you out in the spaces,
they see your face more than they ever did before.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I'm taking it too personally, right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, and also you got to remember the algorithm betrays
us so much where people don't see you all as
often as we would want them to. And so when
we do have a big moment that it will just somehow,
you know, magically hit in the algo, it's like, oh,
what the hell?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Theyman like I had a lot of people kind of
do that same thing with me.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
So hopefully with this show, the algorithm and betray us
and everybody sees it and wants to like hit us
of all the time.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
It's why I had to hold back from having hissy
fits on the slat apps when people, when gays would
be like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
God, you were in tem for a show, where is it?
And I'm like, it was yesterday. They're like, I'm your
biggest fan. It was yesterday obviously not. Well, it's like
we did that we I guess folks don't know because
we did them privately. But we recorded a bunch of
(06:29):
like kind of test episodes so we wouldn't kind of
just like fall into this never having practice. And we
did that one conversation about friendships, you remember. I think
it's gonna be on the Patreon.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Subscribe to the Patreon by the way, and it kind
of reminds me of that because we're like we call
so many people friends, and like what does it really
mean to be a friend? And I guess like what
we kind of unpacked was like friendship varies by person,
and like we all have our own lives and we
all have our own things going on. I guess it's
just like and this is also another conversation we had
about like ask for help. It was like, oh man,
(07:01):
I wish maybe I should have like said something if
I was missing people, like I guess I could have
reached out too, and I guess I could have made
that effort as well. But it's just it's it's interesting
things are changing, and I think things are going to
change in your relationship based on this new proximity to
visibility that you have right as if you haven't been
doing things for years and years. But this is a
big deal and like, oh no, I think all the
gays are going to come out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now Why am I? This was about you?
Speaker 5 (07:24):
I think this? Yeah, yeah, this is what happens in general.
It's like anytime you do something cool, people are going
to be there for you. And that's the I actually,
didn't you do something cool?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Evie?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I thought you won something.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
America's next drag Superstar is.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Ebe Oddly.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, your heart and your mind? Yeah, touche and I
want my heart. But you also make me cry. You
Be commented the other day on Instagram it is like,
I can't wait to make you cry more on the show,
and I was like, oh, you Bill in so many ways,
Oh my god, that's here.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
In so many ways. We're gonna to ask the good
questions here. Also, I'm gonna bully the shit out of you.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Speaking of speaking about I mean, what are you doing
this weekend?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
We just got back from London and like, how are
you doing?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I got back a minute ago, but my body finally
just now adjusted to actually being back. Since then, I've
already started Pride season and it's been like I alway
was surprised into Pride. I got back and was going
to do some gigs and got there and they were like, yeah,
it's Pride, it's Pride over there. This is a Pride
thing without the Pride name, and it was really nice.
(08:33):
I enjoyed it. I got to just have this spirit
of Pride during Pride, which was sexy that's nice.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I know.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's also Pride is a lot for both of you
because you both like are professional gays.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, it's slow key kind of overwhelming, especially this year.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Normally I feel like I have it all together.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I am a host of a music festival that is
a part of Wehoe Pride West Hollywood Pride called Out Loud,
and I'm very excited about this year. The lineup's great,
but I just feel so unprepared. And then also on
top of like everything else that surrounds Pride, like I
fell into kind of being a corporate gag, Like somehow
my identity became the way that I made checks in
(09:14):
a living, and like anytime that I like turn on
the news, I'm seeing our rights and everything that actually
has to do with identity being taken away every five
fucking seconds. And so it's one of those things where
I'm like, I try to like disassociate from it and
just kind of push through and be like, Okay, let's
get these three days over and if something else pops up,
like a Pride panel where you got to talk about
(09:35):
the thing, which I haven't done a Pride panel in
so long because I like stopped. I was like refusing
to do them because at some point we were just
saying the same things over and over and over again,
and I was just over I was like, there's no
way I can like remix this, give y'all a little moment. No,
I'm tired of it, and y'all ain't really paying that
much money, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well, girl, that's like the issue overall with pride for
me is like what I can expect at the end
of a drag show, now, you know, where I know
that if somebody doesn't, then it's my job to come
up and say kind of all the same things that
people have already known, and that I personally feel a
lot of like queer progressives are just really good at
(10:18):
beating down people's throats, which is like we're here and
we're queer, and our rights are being taken away, and
also don't forget about Palestine, and also like you know,
there's just like a plethora of things that it feels
like when you're a professional gay, it is your duty
to touch on hitting when the reality of it is
(10:38):
the prid is this protest that comes from the fact
that your existence is not allowed, and they're making it
clearer and clearer every day.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And drag quids are low key like the Mickey Mouse
is of.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Gay clips exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Y'all are like an amusement of some sorts, right, And
I would only I would imagine that actually you have
to kind of like take yourself out of it and
just do the job that you're you know, hired to do,
because it could be I would imagine draining right.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Well, because it's yeah, it's it's extremely draining.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Another club, another club, but like another well, it's weird
when it's like another club, another club, and your job,
your primary job is to turn the party and to
make sure that people are feeling themselves.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
But you also know that in Pride season, people really
are looking for a reason that we're all together. And
for me it's just recently been like I am thankful
to be sharing joy here. I don't want to talk
too much about what the world is doing because we
already know remember this space and remember this time, remember
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that smile that you had, and like remember what brought
it to you, because this is the shit they can't erase.
So I find Pride itself to be a little bit
draining in one way, going around and kind of just
repeating the same message. But on the other hand, I
lose myself so deeply in these events, in these gig
(12:00):
specifically because I remember being like a queer going to
my first Pride.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I was just thinking about that my first Pride, I
was working at hard Rock and I was doing the
bartender because I work downtown, and I was like passing
out shots and things like that, like are getting people's
to buy like liquor. And it was Nashville Pride, and
I had never been to Nashville Pride. I didn't even
really know it existed in some ways, and when I
was there, I kind of was like wow, Like this
(12:27):
was like amazing to know that there's like so many
queer people this concert's happening. And sometimes I wish, like
when this season comes around, like I'm so grateful to
be able to do what I do and to be
able to be on a main stage and like rocket
and kill it, But like I do miss the innocence
of just experiencing this world that I had never experienced before.
(12:48):
I don't think you'll ever get that again once you're
kind of in the cycle of it all.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Well, cause because we live our lives every day not
really seeing queer people represented like that, Yeah, you see
that one gay guy on the bus, you know that
one bank tellers of a them whatever. But there's nothing
like coming out into a world and being like, oh no,
we exist everywhere. There's so many of us, Like I
don't know where they all these roaches crawled out from under,
(13:16):
but like they're out in the streets and they're waving flags. Now,
what's what's your experience, like, Ben? Cause, yeah, I might
not be a professional gay anymore, but I know you
still get thrown into some pride mix I do.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I mean, and like I've had all sorts of like
of Pride experiences.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
I've been thinking about two things.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
One I've been thinking about like corporations in Pride and
now like prides are struggling to pay their bills because
there aren't corporations in Pride. But for a long time,
we didn't want corporations to be in Pride. And now
I'm like struggling with that. I remember I did a
Pride gig for foot Locker, and I literally had to
sue them to get my payment. It was it was wild,
like my face is plastered with little rainbows and like
(13:54):
and like I can't get my like fifteen hundred dollars,
you know what I mean. It's so I've had a
lot of burned experiences. But then like the Pride that
I remember the most is I was hosting a New
York City Pride stage right after the Pull shooting, and
I'm from Orlando, Florida. Pulse was the first gay club
I ever went to. I'll never forget that morning, waking
(14:17):
up and having to call like exes and friends and
all sorts of people to wonder if they were there.
And unfortunately, I did lose a friend in Pulse. And
it was weird because I was on this stage and
we were like flanked by guys with like snipers and
like machine guns and all of this stuff. And I
was reminded, like to be queers, to be unsafe at
(14:40):
all times, but to be queer in community, it's like
that's where the safety was. And like I didn't feel
safer because of those guns, Like I felt safer because
of the people that were marching by me, because like
I knew that if something happened, we would fight for
each other. And so I think I'm just like, really,
I'm a New Yorker, Like I think I walk by
Stonewall All the time. I think about the radical nature
(15:02):
of Pride, and for me it's like Pride is a
protest and like Evie, I think your point is super important.
Joy is super important, and like joy is an important
part of protest, an important part of being an activists.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
It's the number one thing that they're gonna try and strip.
They're absolutely every smile of a dragon queen with a
child and.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Look and to have joy in this time is radical
and it is that is the ultimate kind of fuck
you to the folks who want to see us struggle.
Is like, by living authentically radically, by being a slut,
if that's you, Evie, by being a you know whatever,
whatever it is that you need to do to be
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your queer self, that's what you're allowed to do.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Like, that's what pride is to me. So I still
always love Pride.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And I think pride is remembering that we get to
do this sort of celebration on the back of like
trans women of color. Absolutely, you know, I think when
when people talk about Marsha P. Johnson and are like Sylvia,
and there's these moments where you know it is queer history.
But I as a black queer person, I'm like, actually,
(16:09):
that's like black queer history. That the fact that we
had these like two incredible like icons leading the march
of like being heard and like listen to and like
at the end of their lives, people forgot about that work.
People forgot about them. And for me it's hearing like
especially around this time, like a lot of like cis
(16:31):
white Gay's shout out to y'all, we love you, but
also like we can't just this isn't bros.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You can't just do like the.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Bring up Marsha P. Johnson as a straight one on
one so everyone knows. I need us to realize, like
pride is here and the things that we get to
do is because of a lot of things that queer
and trans woman of color black women specifically have land
and done. And so for me, it's also remembering that
and challenging folks to not co opt what this is.
(17:02):
This isn't a time this is a time to do boppers,
but also it's a time to remember you're doing bop.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah exactly, don't hit the bottle too hard, Mama, who
give you those poppershat? Trans women bury it no shame,
but it's so true. We have to remember our history,
and we are so bad at that as queer people.
And how do we have a future if we don't
remember our past? The gay right instead of riding cars
(17:29):
and so up rating everything because you have your rights,
one person chose all your right. It's not just the party. Probably,
it's not just the party. You protest and then you
party and celebrate after all.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Right, Yeah, I think we need to take a break.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And when we get back, we are digging into the
good part of the episode. When we don't have guests,
this is what we do. We dig into a big question,
a big idea, something that's burning in our heads. And
all this gay shit is making me think of big question,
which is what is the gayest thing about you?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
And I think the conversation is going to go places
we don't expect.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, yeah, because who told.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You I was yet exactly here we go exactly so
we'll see you in a second hike.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Welcome back to high Key.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think we need to turn up the heat a
little bit, ladies and go deep. And you know how
we do every so often when it's just us, no
special guests, we like to have a conversation about a
big idea that is on our hearts or on our
minds or a little bit of both. And this week
I have a question that I think is going to
introduce us pretty well, okay, and it's what's the gayest
(18:39):
thing about you?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Who puts you in charge of icebreakers? Because wow?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
You know the classic zoom icebreaker? Basically, well, wow.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Okay, let's do this. I mean, there's a few things
that make me like the gayest thing. I mean, the
fact that I can like pick a Charmed episode in
season just by what they're wearing in a screenshot.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Is kind of super gay.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I also think my style is super gay in a
lot of different ways, right, I mean, even like as
a kid, like the ways that I used style as
like a vehicle. I didn't have the language for it,
but I used style as a vehicle to like get
away from the norms of what my mom was trying
to put on me as like this black you know
kid growing up, Like she wanted me down in Fu
(19:22):
Buu in the South Post, which I did, weigh everyone.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
It was a very comfortable South Post sweater with the blue.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But actually I'm kind of sad I don't have anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But she really was like wanting me to kind of
dress as the other boys, as she would say, But
I was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Take me down to the avenue.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I'm going to American Eagle and I'm going to the
you know, the the Hollisters and all the kind of
like the the about to say I was, but I
didn't want to trigger trigger man. But I think about one,
you know, those things kind of being like the gayest
things about me. Besides, like I don't even I'm not
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even really connect to the word gay.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
See that's how I do.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
She said, I'm not one of those gays.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'm a queer well exactly like I grew up conservative
Catholic family right, Like I was like, gays are going
to hell. It took me a long time to feel
comfortable in my own identity. And then it was like, oh,
I'm gay and i want the mister and mister pillows,
and I'm like ready for it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And for you driving a bus to hell, absolutely bitch right.
I was like a glisten student ambassador. I like forged
my mom's signature so I could fly to LA and
like be media trained to be a professional gay well
being in the closet, I was proud of being gay.
I you know, I was in a relationship with at
the time who I thought was a man for a
very long time. But what a lot of people don't
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know about me is my partner is actually a transwoman
and transitioned about five years Matty Hey Maddie transition about
five years into our nine year relationship, and I'm writing
an essay about it now. But basically, it's it's so
interesting because it's like, well, I'm dating a transwoman and
trans women are women.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I'm dating a woman, So are you not gay? No more?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Am I not gay?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
No more?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
But that's how you.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Care homosexuality, date trans women?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Or just be queer?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Or just be queer? Right?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Which is more of like a feeling and experience than anything.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
What I really wanted the original question to be. But
I thought this question would open us up more. Is like,
is being queer a choice? And I think it's like
a controversial take because it's like being gay is not
a choice and we were born this way, totally sure,
But like, when I think about what it means to
be queer, it's more than just about who I sleep with.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's like this way that I see the world.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's like this identity and it's why like even sometimes
I have a hard time connecting with like gay people
are in gay culture because it's like I don't want
to go to a circuit party drag me.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I don't want to talk about working out. I want
to do you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I'm just saying, I don't know. I have this like
I'm both. Okay, I'm both. I am gay and I'm queer.
I think and and a she. Yeah, I'm a he,
I'm machine. I mean it, they them, I am the problem.
Like that's just what it always meant for me to
find this community, whatever we want to call it. I
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remember coming out eventually as gay and being like, yeah,
that's what I'm going to tell people. And then I
realized that I was a drag queen, which made me
some facet of treans because I was now just a
fem like did it.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's gender nonconforming at minimum. In these
thirteen years, I've seen so much shift in the culture.
When I started doing drag, it was something you did closetedly,
like you people, at least you you didn't tell people
that you did drag because drag queens were not allowed
to be anything but drag queens outside of that space.
(22:50):
It's something that does still exist to an extent. I
bet you, I promise there's so many drag queens on
the slat apps right now who are trying not to
tell guys what they do for a living.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
The reason why I had like kind of perked up
around that is because you know, working in like so
many like LGBTQ spaces, they're oftentimes even like in our community,
especially like CIS gay spaces, like they can conflate being
a drag performer as a trans person and like, sure,
I don't think that's obviously what you were doing, but
I'm like, there's that thing where it's like there is
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a gender non conforming ability of being a drag performer,
but it's so different than being an explicit trans person.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
All this gay culture is just a reflection of the
femininity we are not allowed to express, including the side
of gay culture that's just rejecting femininity. The mask for
masks be out.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And we're getting more and more of that, and that's
what kind of scares me is for a while, like
I felt like gay CIS men, although very complicit in
many you know parts of toxic masculinity, and we've excluded
the lesbians, and there's all sorts of problems. It was
still like, oh, you're a gay man, like you feel
safer to me than like a sis straight man. But
the assimilation is deep, and then we're seeing like these
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maga gays, you know what I mean, who are like
white muscle gays who are like no longer what I
thought of as like a gay man, I guess.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And that's why I identify with the word queer, because
not only is it obviously an experience and a feeling,
but I think for me as a black queer person,
it actually allows me to have a little bit of
nuance because LGBT is so rooted in kind of like
whiteness and like honestly like low key and oftentimes like
pushing like white supremacy forward. And for me, when you're queer,
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as a black queer person, you're able to have a
little bit of nuance that exists in that space of
like this is how I show up in the world
and I experience the world, and for me, like that
is what it means to be queer because oftentimes, like
I remember the first time that I got my nails done,
and that was like fairly like a couple maybe twenty
twenty two when I.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Was that like a defining moment of your queer kind
of in.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Some ways, like it really was one of those moments
because I just remember going into the nail salon in
Pasadena and it was like Easter weekend on top of that,
and I was going with friends, and I was like,
I just remember I would go to the nail salon
with my mom, but she was like, this ain't for boys,
this is for girls, and you said over there, and
so like I remember kind of sitting in that moment
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getting my first pedicure and manicure and being like, wow,
like this feels really nice and wonderful when I can
get designs and I can like show up and express
myself in the way that I want to now. And
then that also opened the door for me to explore
like leaning it to you know.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
They then pronouns and in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
That I had never done, because I felt like it
was being placed on me versus me actually like recognizing
it with them myself, and so like I feel like
queerness for me has always been an experience that's wrapped
in the intersections of who I am and never been
something that was just like an umbrella term as.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Some well, that's why I enough I as queer, but
in that umbrella, I have to accept that a part
of me is just a gay man, even if that's
like only on this one Thursday, like this one week,
at this one time when Charlie XCX drops this one
thing or whatever that every other gay guy is about.
(26:20):
And even though I don't want to be a sheep,
I'm about too, Like I feel like there's this ultimate
division that's happening, which is why we're seeing a lot
of the magagays where as other more disenfranchised parts of
our community are given space. There's this overall group think
that happens when you are just like not caught up
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to where everyone is. Like I remember hearing the word
queer in a student services office a decade ago and
being like, nah, that's just not for me.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And there's a lot of older gay and lesbian folks
who don't like the word queer because it was weaponized
to get them for so long.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It was a trigger.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I was literally weaponized.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But that's where I ultimately end up finding my power,
and it is being like yeah. I like the fact
that I'm weird and everything I represent is about some deviancy.
I think the way it loses its power is when
people make it so weak, when they're like, when they
take away the ability for queer to mean such a
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vast majority of things, including some boring gay man somewhere.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So wait, who was y'all's gay awake? Like, did y'all
have one?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
I feel like mine was probably a cartoon.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Like Bugs Bunny.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
No no, no, no no no, not like Bugs Bunny, but.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Just Bunny's a queer. I got hold on, I said.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And my girlfriend Jesse the other day, Gee, all bit
monsters are interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I said, Now, let's get my patties in the waket.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I know, but I wasn't into the bunnies, do you
know what I mean? He can take his care. You know,
that wasn't for me. But I talk about like I
don't even know who. It was, like a superhero like
Robin or something, you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, He's like it was something like I feel like
for a lot of gang queer people, it's these like
characters that we were starting to have feelings for. Or
it's like it was like that boy on the playground
that made me feel a little fuzzy when I was
around him, or something like that, you.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I didn't have like a moment where I was like, oh,
I'm gay. I mean, I guess when I watched gay
porn for the first time. I don't know, something like that,
like not a celebrity or a celebrity I have.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
My celebrity was the tom cat from the Euristic.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Cats, see what I mean A cartoon.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
There we go, Like I didn't even realize this until
a couple of weeks back when I was like, oh
my gosh, I always wanted that cat, Like I desired
that cat.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
While your eyes are like sapphire sparkling so bright they
make the morning radiant?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Did you hear his voice?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I got to really discuss your relationships with cats.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Everybody wants to be a cat. That was the jazziest thing.
He tried to take care of this other cat's babies.
Or it's like the gay character. Yeah, sure, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, to be honest, my I feel like my gay
awakening had to be like a combination of like remember
that show, like and I might be like remember his
name wrong, but Jet Jackson.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm trying to live my life as a normal kid,
but some people still see me as the famous Jet Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He was like a black like Disney like he was
kind of like low key, like a secret agent, and
he was doing all these things. And unfortunately, like he's
no longer with us because he passed away due to
like taking his own life. But Jet Jackson was an
incredible like show that was like a black like secret
agent who like solved these missions.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He was a teenager and he was like so kind
of cool and he was so fine.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
When I remember that, I.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Feel like it was like early two thousands.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Like what's did he out of existence? I'm swear, I like,
literally he is so hot.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Wait, let me not say that.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Lee Thompson Young, Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Lee Thompson Young, the famous Jeed.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Jack He was hampsome. I did not know him from that.
I knew him from Johnny's Tsunami.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Academy Kids, Ski Public School is board It's been that
way since snowboards weren't vented.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What did he kill? Is the Channel movie?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Channel movie.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I was all about that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But I say that is because like a lot of times,
like when I was experiencing those moments where like I'm
seeing someone on TV or honestly also shout out to
every male model that was on the front of an underwear.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Underwear wear departments.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Walmart, just like because they helped me through a lots.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Those rounded bulgers. I was like, I want my balls.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
To look like that, not even oh my goodness, those
catalogs really did. It's something to me, But I just
I just remembered because I wasn't allowed to obviously like
express myself, like I was still trying to figure that out,
and like I mean, if I'm being honest, the one
time I remember the first time my mom caught me
watching gape Hoorn, which was wild first time literally the
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first time. She wasn't no only but she was sleeping
in like the living room, and I just had this genius.
I need the computer. The family computer was in her room,
but she wasn't in there. We lived in apartment, you
bedroom apartment, and I don't know what I thought I
was doing, but my eyes sparked up the dial up
Internet and thought I should look up big black dicks
and thought that was okay. Like my mama wasn't in
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the other room and she woke up here and that's
what she was like, what are you doing? And I
remember getting hoot being like and I actually think, I
actually think I left it on the screen by accident,
Like I just went to the like like like literally
hit me up and being like.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
What are you? Like? What is this? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
She had a really visceral reaction, and I was just
being like, I just wanted to compare what was it?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Oh my gosh, what an explanation.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Wait, okay, it leads me to like what everybody's like
coming out experience with your parents triggered.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Oh not good. I don't know. That's so strange. Actually,
both of those questions are really hard because there was
always a part of me that was just like clearly,
clearly gay, But there was also always a part of
me that was just a slut or whatever. Like my
gayness was just an extension of these things that I
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remember being shamed about, Like I was shamed about like
fooling around with little kids boys and or girls. I
remember getting caught up a few times, like in my
early early childhood. And I think what ultimately made me
more queer and more gay is that even though all
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of this is like a dirty seat that kids are
not supposed to talk about. You're just supposed to think
your dirty thoughts and like keep them to yourself and
not look anything up ever on this new Google machine
in front of your mom. Sorry mom, Like I don't know.
I think the more that I got to learn that, yeah,
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we're not allowed to look any of that up, but
especially not stuff with little boys like you and these
other boys are not allowed to like bond in that
way that you're starting to make these relationships with women.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I had my technically first kiss when I was like
five and a boy and I have a visceral. Literally,
I have a memory of us kissing on the playground
and like we were you know how they put the
movies on, and like at that time, you're in school
and I remember trying to lay like my head in
his lap because I was clearly like a crushing on
this board, and the teacher literally moved me to the
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back because she felt like I was being disruptive or whatever.
I remember I had this like I have a I
think we have like a oh photo. Any anyway, I
just remembered that being my first moment of being like
oh yeah, like I knew at a very young age
that I was queer.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I knew that, but like there were so many.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Stops, but it was the thing is knowing that everybody
else wasn't that way. Like even the straight guys I
like made out with. I don't know if all of
them still identify that way, but like they grew up
to be straight, even though we shared this, like these
experiences together, and it always made me believe that everyone
was just a little gay.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Well everyone is a little gay. I think we're not
really I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
There's a fluidity.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
And when I discovered queer some decade later, and then
when I came around to it some half decade later,
it was because I realized that that's what I was
looking for. Everybody is weird, and the things that you
make more deviant just become more radicalized in people like
they hated having gender so much that we tore it up,
(35:03):
Like we we hated people telling us so much that
we just flung it into the air.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, And like I think people like that hate queerness,
are jealous of it, are jealous we are free enough
to like be ourselves based not on who you tell
us we have to be.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
It's like queerness is so freeing and liberating to me.
It's just like I am mean.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Like Mama, you can choose your own toppings too exactly
and make make your own life. Like we so many
things are just constructs that have been told to us
that are right or wrong. But then it's what do
you feel like you talk about that boy Ryan? I
was like, oh man, there's this boy named when we
were in elementary school. I don't I do, I do,
(35:45):
I don't care. That's my whole truth. Get ready for
my memoir this boy name girl. I'm like, I have
a lawyer already, like looking over everything. It's like, you
can't say that about her. I was like, no, I can,
because it's the truth.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Sorry nasty, but I mean the first boy I ever
kissed was in high school, ninth grade, loving the Death,
and he kissed me and he ran across the street
and we were both like little Catholic raised by Italians
like kind of situation, and it was like, oh my gosh,
like it felt so good, but it also felt so wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Wow, Like I felt like I was going to hell.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Was that really your first time?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Ben?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Because I'm talking like three and four. I remember making
out getting kicked out of daycare.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It's not that I watched I'm.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Playing my Doctor or something and what was going on
over there? Oh no, No, I never did that.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
No, that's my thing. It's like I I definitely had
feelings for people. I grew up in the South. I
grew up in a very very very conservative area in
a very very conservative family. It was not safe. It
was not even something that I viewed as a possibility.
Anytime we saw queer people, it was always like, oh, oh,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
I was like, oh, they must be bad. I didn't
see them or think of it as queerness. It was
just like playing with other kids. Where did you grow up?
Denver and Denver?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
See, being in the South is like I agree with
Ben on this, Like it's just a completely different, a
different thing.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
But my family was all Southern Baptist. Like I was
raised Southern Baptist. I still understand what it feels like.
And that's also why I understand how shameful it was
that they just literally didn't talk when I did these
bad things, whether they were with boys or girls or whatever. Yeah,
my mom was tasked with the responsibility of being like
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that's that's wrong. We don't do that. You need to
go sit in time out.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I say my mom like threw holy water on me.
Like I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I knew I was queer, and I would have come
out in sixth grade, but I went to school with
my twin brother.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
We were in the same grade.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
We were in the same class, so I couldn't come
out at school because then he would go tell my
mom or that's how I felt, right, And so it's.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like, see the first person you came out to.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, the first person I came out to was in
church school. But that's the thing is, I didn't even
think I was gay. I thought everybody was.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Just a little gay, and the game was to just
not fall into it, especially because I still thought I
was Christian.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I believed in it so deeply. I was like, yeah, eventually,
I'll get better. I was being called gay in high school.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
Yeah, I was being called gay my whole life.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I was being called gay in middle school.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean in middle school too. I feel like middle school.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Elementary school.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I tried to like, I was bullied so bad, and
kids would follow me around, bend over ben gay, like
all these things. I almost took my own life in
eighth grade, like I was. I remember like sobbing to
my drama teacher, being like, I can't do this anymore
because I was getting just harrassed relentlessly. I couldn't tell
my mom, I couldn't do anything about it, and I
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felt so trapped and so like when I think of
like being gay and like coming out, I'm so happy
that it's getting easier.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I get so excited seeing all the like proposals of
like the queer high school kids asking each other out.
Like my best friend who I just visited in New York,
she was my beard for like high school right like
she was my girl.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I went like we wore matching yellow and she who I.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Took to prom, and I was honestly when I got
my first car, honey, I was.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Drive a hood to go see her man that she
wasn't allowed to have.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
And so it was.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It was one of those things where.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm like I constantly want to answer your question, Ben,
I constantly have like still feel like I was coming out, like.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Yeah, my mom.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I would tell my mom one time and the next
minute was like acting like she never like literally remembered
and so like that is a concetant thing that I
feel like where folks go through oftentimes, which is why
I'm kind of like not a believer in coming out. Yeah,
there's this really beautiful moment that a mentor of mine,
doctor David John, who is the executive director of the
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National Black Justice Coalition.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
He talks about.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Inviting in instead of like coming out a person that
is like letting us know about who they are. They're
inviting us in into their queerness. Yeah, we should not
have to be obligated. Because no straight person is obligated
to tell us who they like, we shouldn't be obligated
to do the same thing. And I find that to
be so beautiful and wonderful and necessary to Like, all
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the future of queer kids are coming up behind us.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
I mean, maybe that's the future of the expression of
what coming out stemmed from them, because coming out, or
at least as we now understand it, coming out is
something that you do your whole life. Yeah, Like, you
do it any time you are interacting with another human
being and you're either choosing to let them know, like, hey,
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I am a little queer. I've sucked to dick. I
like hair product whatever it is that makes you queer.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, well, honestly, I would love to know what all
the listeners, what is the gayest.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Thing about you?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Please let us know in the comments on social and
all the things like on TikTok Instagram if you're following
us at a high key here, because we got to
wrap this up because now I'm ready to get into
our high key stick around for it.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
We'll be back.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Hike.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Welcome back to Hike.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That sounded like an intro to like Cartoon Network or something.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
I'm trying to I'm trying to hoore myself out for
some voice work here, y'all. Do you hear that? Range? Okay,
but seriously, let's let's dive into some real meat, some
real juicy things. What are you high key looking forward to?
What are you high key about?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Okay? So, I mean, here's the thing. I feel like
this section.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Of the show will always be like a combination things
of what we're feeling of, like what we're recommendating.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
We're recommending to the world to do.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Girl, you better recommendate it to me.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, I know, right, What the hell?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
However, I think I'm actually low key, like high key,
not even low key I'm high key in my hater
era because all the praise that that show over Compensating
is getting is giving me major side. I So, if
y'all don't know about this show, over Compensating is a
new like college. It follows this college jock that's coming out.
(41:52):
It's on Prime video. Benito Skinner also known as Benny
Drama influencer all the things he's starring in it since
white gay Job, and everyone like loves it. I saw
this thing, this show months ago, and immediately was kind
of like, what in the two thousand and three is
going on here?
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Get ready? Yeah, you should get ready for my date?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Your date with a guy? I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Wow, we throw up, like I get it's funny. If
the jokes can like there, it's really funny. It's I
think it's like really made for like the TikTok of
it all, which is why it's like succeeding very well.
But as far as like a show that is supposed
to like represent and like the fact that we have
seen a decline in queer storytelling, especially queer intersectional storytelling,
the fact that we're all resorting back to like the
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cis why gayness of like a coming out moment and
like a colleging that doesn't even feel rooted any thing.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
It was so boring, boring.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I'm hike hat.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
He's been trying to make a show for a long time.
And one of my mentors is a television director, was
a showrunner of Girls, and he like had sent me
this script and he's like, do you know this guy?
Speaker 4 (42:59):
It was like five years and I was like.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
It's It's one of those things where I'm like, we
already have really brilliant shows, like you know, sex Lines
of College Girls, which unfortunately just got canceled.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm coming out as a bisexual. Yeah, way to go, girl.
We should really get going if we want to get
the good eggs.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yes, no, no, no, no, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
And I just continue to think about what it means
for a moment like now and the climate that we're
in for a show like this to exist. And I've
just kind of been like sitting with this idea of
like we're seeing such a huge decline in storytelling that
you know, streamers are picking up and things we're picking
up where like there's no like people of color on
the cast except for like maybe one like Asian person
(43:43):
on the cast of White People.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah, because we're going back.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, it's really sad to see.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
No.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
I think the big networks and conglomerates and whatever may
be moving backwards, but I think, honestly, the root of
the people is in more things. It's hard for people
for the TikTok generation to watch Netflix because it's just
a bunch of stuff that they can tell people are
trying to like sell them that doesn't relate to them anymore,
(44:11):
which is why they're everybody's so drawn in in something
where you get to hear stories from real people, their
real power, their perspectives, and it has ideas on everything.
The algorithm is constantly refreshing to tailor itself to whatever
you're into right now.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
So I know, it's just I don't want to like
there's a world where I'm I'm like very grateful that
there's like queer storytelling on the air, like I think
it's necessarily needed, but I'm also still like that's not
going to stop me for pushing and wanting more and
so overcompensating works for what it's doing, you know. Shout
out to Charlie XCX for being the music supervisor even
(44:50):
though for me, I feel like she did not do
what I thought.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
She was going to do. But it's start giving.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I hope everyone is like enjoying it, and I like
I said, it was funny when it was funny. But
to sit here and be like, oh, this show exists,
wah wah. Anyway, it's not for you, it's not for
any of us. It's not for me, and they don't
want it to be. Well, man, what's your high key?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I'm high key thankful this week actually, like I'm actually
kind of like feeling gushy.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
You guys always make fun of it.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm the cancer right, Cancer sun Aries, Moon, Cancer Rising,
all right, and I'm just feeling thankful because this is
our first episode. We just finished it, and I'm kind
of like sitting with that. We've been working on this
for a really long time. It's actually been years in
the making, and it's like a dream. It was a
dream of mine, it's a dream of all of ours,
and we're making it together. It's just been such a
(45:38):
fun experience and and I'm thankful for everyone who's listening
right now, right, Like, if you are still listening to
the episode at this moment, like you are a real one,
and we're thankful for you. And I'm thankful to have
the opportunity to have a space to have these conversations.
Like when I first like freaking pitch this show, I
was like, there's no space for us to have conversations
(45:59):
like this. It's what you're talking about, Ryan, where it's like,
there's lots of spaces that are having day conversations and
that's great, but the intersection of our identities I think
create this space that hopefully shows people who don't feel
like they hear themselves enough that there are people like
them out there, that you're not alone, that we can
build community. And so I'm just feeling really good. I'm
high key thankful. I'm highkey ready for more. Yeah, that's me, heaps.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
I'm thankful for bad bitches that start fights.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
So you're thankful for the ZEUS network work for me.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
No, no, no, no. Honestly, it's kind of funny because
right now I'm I'm just high key all about uh
Rico Nasty's new album Her Yes, Lethal, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Things to listen to.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
I just I really love it because it feels like
she's still making this crazy, insane music that I really
vibed with. Honestly, I wouldn't have I don't know what
I would have done without like finding Rico Nasty in
the year that drag Race was all happening for me
(47:08):
because it gave me this space to like scream when
the rest of the world was telling me I had
to like smile and be polite and like hold all
this stuff back in and go and do your job
and be a good girl and aha, And it was
just this like space for like the internal scream. And
this album is so cool to watch this alternative artist
(47:32):
make trying to wrestle with how much of this like
scream identity is like for the people out there just
yeah sing it, and how much of you just really
needs to escape in these other interesting ways.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I will always fight for what I think it's right.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I'll always kick bitch's asses with my words and my
personality and just not caring.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Honestly, I feel like that's really how you kicked the ass.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Also, she shouted me out in an interview, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Wore okay, humble Bride, we love us, I love her,
I love her all right.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Well, y'all, I think that was our first show.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
Huh, Yeah, that's our show we didn't.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
I'm honestly, like you said, been very all the high
key feelings, but it's so grateful to be doing it
with you three. I wouldn't imagine doing it with anyone else,
and trust me, I've been asked. So yeah, thank you
for being you always, and thank the listeners for listening
to us.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
We really appreciate you, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
See you next week, everybody, Stay messy, stay obsessed, and
stay hike Hike Now.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
If you're high key loving the vibes, come hang with
us on Patreon. We're giving a bonus content behind the
scenes t group chats.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Basically, that's where you'll find the high Key.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Key hi Key is a production of iHeart Podcasts as
part of the Outspoken Network. This show is created and
executive produced by Beno, Keith Ryan, Mitchell, Evey Oddley, and
Spoke Media. Our showrunner is Tyler Green. Our producers are
Jenna Burnett and Tess Ryan. Our video lead is Bo Delmore,
and our audio engineer is Sammy Sirett. Executive producers for
(49:09):
Spoke Media are Travis Salmon, Bouinger and Aleah Tavicolian. Our
iHeart team is Jess crimechicch and Sierra Kaiser.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Our theme music is by Kayane Hersy and our show
art is by Work by Work.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
It's photography by Eric Carter. Our marketing lead is Jerome
Ware from shore Fire Media. Special thanks to Brigham Moseley, Justin,
Joseph Hall and all of Mike Pats and my therapist and.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
My job babysitter. Come pick her up, Jenna. This is
not the Patreon content, bitch.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
This is the only fans content.
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