August 13, 2025 • 41 mins
With Michael Chadwick, (David's Son) the Youth Minister at Moments of Hope Church.
He shares his passion for assisting the young, ages 12 to 30 yrs. in overcoming the fear of growing up. Those who's like have been "consumed" by their cell phones, Covid and now the social gaps in becoming an adult. The lack of self-confidence, very little face-to-face interactions. Michael shares his approach that is working, and God watchful approach!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, good morning, Welcome to the David Chadwick Show. David
will be on sabbatical for the entire month of July.
Some encore presentations some of the very best of David Chadwick.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk
eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
In case you don't know, this is a faith and
values program that we've been doing here on WBT for
over twenty five years. It's been a pleasure doing the program,
and thank you for listening. Many thanks to Perry's Find
Jewelry for your sponsorship of the show. Without you, I
could not do this on a weekly basis. Well, I
have a special show today, largely because one of the
members of my family, Michael, is going to be on
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the show with me. But he's going to address an
issue that I think really needs to be addressed today,
and that's what's going on with youth today now. Michael
graduated from the University Missouri some years ago, was an
Olympic level swimmer and worldwide known with a record that
he held with three other guys in a relay, and
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he's just been a special son from day one and
he felt a call to ministry. And when he came
to me and said, Dad, I feel this call. Let's
get you involved in youth ministry. There's no better training
ground for actual ministry than dealing with youth. And Michael,
welcome to the show. It's great having you here today.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, great being here. And what privilege has been to
be on here before and come now and do ministry
with you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, it's a great pleasure.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And you were still in swim world when you felt
that call to ministry.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'd love for you to share how that call came about.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
It was about three and a half years ago and
my wife and I are flying back from a trip
from Miami back to Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where we
were living at the time, and I had a crazy
encounter with a lady sitting next to me on an
airplane that just so happened to turn over to me,
look at me me, what's your name, what do you do,
what do you believe? Where are you going? And I
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started having this conversation with her and eventually she asks,
why are you not going to ministry? And I said,
what do you mean? She's like, you're clearly called to
go into ministry. Why are you not going to ministry?
And I said, I've lived in ministry world. I'm not
sure that's exactly what.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I want to do. You know too much, I'm afraid yeah,
And I.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Said, I'm just not sure that's what I want. She's like, Michael,
I'm going to tell you. I don't know you very well.
But I talked to God every single day. I read
his word, and I know for a fact that you're
called to ministry. You're running. And it's interesting. I got
off the airplane, I talked to my wife and I said,
did you hear any of the things that that lady
just told me? She said, yeah, what do you think?
And I was like, we need to start praying. So
we spent a few weeks praying on this, and we
came to the firm decision that guy was calling us,
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and we listed our house, got a house here in Charlotte,
moved very quickly, came here, jumped both feet in, and
we've been running ever since.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, youth ministry is not for the feint of heart.
It really is challenging. But you've done a great job
building a ministry, and you've now had two children since
that call, and they're is Grayson and also Ellis two
of your children. And it's been fun to watch your
family grow too.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It has.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's been a great it's been a pretty much you know,
growing kids up in this world. I think one thing
that's been really special to me is as I pour
into all of these middle schoolers and high scholers, many
of them are like older brothers and sisters to my sons.
And Grayson, who's four, I mean, he says all the time,
like where are my buddies? And he comes on the
ministry nights he's like, where's my little buddies? And like
last night he's running around talking to all of them,
and they treat him like a little brother.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, you know, I ran away from the call to
ministry myself, and I was twenty seven until God finally
backed me into the corner and said, this is what
I want you to do.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You're supposed to go into ministry.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
My dad was a pastor, like you know, you've seen
me over the years, and I thought, man, I don't
want to get into all of that craziness in church world.
But when God's call is God's call, you've got to
respond to it, and I had every empathy for you
what you were going through. But I was certainly glad
and moved deeply when God did call you in the ministry.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And I think also, like when there's a call like
that on your life, you look back at certain moments
and you think, oh, that's why I was in that situation.
And I realized that swimming for me was never about
how fast I could move through the water. It was
about who I'm impacting in the process, and swimming for
me was ministry. I just never saw it so that
the lives I touched, the people's houses, they got to
go over to and speak about Jesus. The you know,
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Olympic swimmers, they got to sit with and proclaim the
gospel too, and listen to how they said. I'd never
heard anything like this, and it just it was a
privilege to be able to have accolades that don't point
toward myself, a point toward Jesus. So it it's been
a real privilege, and so had I had to realize
that that all along God was leading me to a
bigger thing. I just had to see what that was.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, you've now been in youth ministry for how long again,
it's in about three and a half years.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Wow, that seems impossible. But you are dealing with the
next generation. You're dealing with middle schoolers, high schoolers, and
you also started a young adult ministry, so you basically
are caring for people from the ages of twelve to
thirty and well, and I want to talk to you
about on today's sh h is what's going on in
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their lives? You know, how are they living their lives
with hope in today's crazy world.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
What did COVID do to them?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Because I think there's some evidence that's coming out more
and more that COVID really did negatively impact a lot
of those kids living through that time period when they
couldn't go to school, was all remote learning and isolation,
all those kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And you're dealing with that firsthand, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, And and I say this all the time. What
COVID did was expose the truths that were already there.
A lot of these issues were already there. And then
what COVID did is when you lock people in their houses,
you tell them to silo, you tell them that they
have to fill their time, they just dive deeper. Into
the things that they were already doing. So it's like
escapism to the max. And so you see kids in
this next generation who grew up just trying to pass
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the time away, just trying to fill their time on Instagram,
trying to fill their time on you know, watching Netflix
and texting and facetiming and snapchatting, and there's so much
time that's spent not face to face and not within
touching a phone every ten seconds that it's almost like
a dopamine rush that they've found that addiction to every
ten seconds, and they've lost the ability to actually just
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sit and be. And so one of the things that
we're trying to re equip them with is just like
if you come here on a Monday night, if you're
a young adult, or a Wednesday night with the middle school,
high school, you're here and you're safe and you're loved,
and you don't have to be anywhere else. And teaching
them to actually just take an hour and just be
here and don't worry about anything else and actually grow
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and learn how much Jesus loves you and how much
our leaders love you. And it's interesting that that has
shifted so much in the way of thinking because they
think that like once something becomes boring, they got to
jump the next thing. So I think that's what it
is for me, is there's this instant gratification that is
so prevalent in this next generation. And I was sitting
with a kid yesterday who is a star lacrosse player
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who has this big thing that it's creepy into his
mind constantly of am I enough? Am I enough? And
every time that he feels like he's not, he has
to jump to the next thing and the next thing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That voice is Michael Chadwick, my son doing youth ministry,
a couple hundred kids coming out on a regular basis
to listen about Jesus. We'll talk more about that in
just a moment. How everyone, I'm David Chadwick. This is
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News Talk eleven ten ninety nine three WVT. How can
we get children and teens filled with God?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's our question today.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And my guest is my own son, Michael Chadwick, who
is doing youth minished reading now at the church Moments
Hope Church that I oversee, and I'm just so privileged
to have him on staff with me. My wife Marilyn
as well. It's just been fun having family work together.
And Michael, I wanted you to talk to listeners today
about what's going on with this younger world from middle
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school to young adults. You oversee all of that ministry
at Moments of Hope Church from twelve to thirty, and
you have experiences with these people in this age group
like few others that I know, and a lot of
people are really down on our younger generation and saying.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Hey, there's no hope whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
They just want to sit in the basement and play
video games and be on their cell phones and they
aren't really taking responsibility for their lives. But you're really
experiencing a hunger in their hearts that Jesus is indeed filling.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Talk about it.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, I am. And it's interesting. I think somewhere along
the way we thought that, like this next generation is
turning their hearts away because a lot of what we
see them fill their time with is technology, phone and
all these things that this from our generation, and I'm
kind of stuck in the middle. We think of it
like what it was going on? Why are they so busy?
Why are they so addicted to this? Well, the reality
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is that's just the thing they've grown up in. I
say this all the time. Imagine if you grew up
in a world where the iPhone was normal, like that
was expected. And many of us are old enough to remember,
there was a time where you could not connect with
people because you didn't have a means to connect with them.
You couldn't FaceTime them, you couldn't text them, you couldn't
go look at their posts and see, oh I missed
out on a get together last week, or that basketball game,
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or why why didn't I get invited to that thing?
That they are so connected. We live in the most
connected generation in the history of the world, yet also
the most isolated generation in the history of the world,
because kids recognize that they're so connected with each other,
yet the connection's not really real. And so what I've
noticed is they're hungry for what's real, and when they
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see and they taste what's actually authentic, they.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Run to it. That's face to face community, and.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's even deeper than that, it's face to face communication
that actually says you see me. The number of times
I've had kids come up to me like, Michael, you
see me, you notice me? Why do you notice me?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And it's such that mean that you notice them, Does
it mean you know them? You have made the effort
to try to get inside them and feel what they
feel and know what they know.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Number one thing is just remembering their name is a
simple thing.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Number two is just remembering something about them, and then
number three is just remembering a memory that you have
with them. And what I've noticed is like if I
can just get to a kid's heart and say, like,
I see you, I remember you, and then I love
it when I spent this moment with you. So that's why,
like trips are so special because you can do so much.
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You can do months of ministry in like two days
because you're with them NonStop and you get below the
surface level layer that so many kids think that everything
is just surface level. Everything, this is where life is
is just surface level, and when you equip leaders to
get to the deeper parts. I mean, we've seen kids
have highly emotional responses to our youth Ministry nights because
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they come and they just feel seen and then they
feel loved.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Is that part of their lives with their parents? If
their parents are so busy that they haven't been able
to invest in their own children, is that part of
what's going on or I guess the better question, what's happening?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
It could be. I mean, there is a challenge. I
think that a lot of parents are having and connecting
with their kids. I hear from parents all the time, Michael,
I don't know what's going on with my child. I can't.
They're not talking to me, they're not opening up. And
I do think I think there has to be a
mixture in this world of having healthy parents that know
their kids, know how they're raising them, and then you
need people like young adults aged who see them, know
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them and can talk their language. That's why we personally
have built our ministry out of Vota around the concept
of equipping the young adult age to equip the next generation,
because we're a lot of times the older adult has
all the experience, has all the knowledge, and all the
way of seeing where this life goes. Well, the young
adult was just there, and so they can go behind
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the walls and get to the kids heart and say
I've been you, I was just you recently. Let me
tell you how I got out, let me tell you
how I broke that problem. And what we see is
kids look at this almost like a football field. I
gi us an aalogy. All the time they look at
the next person ahead. So the middle schooler looks to
the high schooler, who looks to the young adult, who
looks to the young married couple, who looks to the older,
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wiser adult, who looks to to the wise grandparent. And
that's how we look at life, and we constantly have
to see how we're working down this field. But if
you put the middle schooler in front of like the grandparent,
they'll learn from them, but they might say, how do
I even get there? So you have to put stages
in front of them and say here's the next step,
here's the next step, and they will get there.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So your mom and I just celebrated our forty seventh
wedding anniversary. You're saying that kids really do want to
look up to older people and say, hey, they've made
it work, they've stayed together, they've made marriage work, they've
made life work, they've been good parents, and so there's
a place even for those folks as well as ministering
to younger people.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
We need those people. I don't have the experience of
my life to be able to speak to all things.
I have two young kids. I'm learning myself. But if
the high schooler can look to me and say, Michael's
got something, I want that, And then if I'm looking
toward the next generation older than me, well that is
how this whole thing works in discipleship, where we're all
teaching each other how to get down this field of life.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So talk some more about what COVID did to this generation.
I mean, it was about five years ago, believe it
or not, and everybody's isolated. Everybody has the iPhone and
that's all.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
What did it do to young people?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Well, let's take this senior graduating class for example, this
senior graduating class graduating twenty twenty five. Well, they're about
eighteen years old, so you got to think they were
about twelve or thirteen when this whole thing was starting,
when they had to be forced inside. So that's a
sixth or a seventh grader, debatably the most instrumental development
period in someone's life, where that age is like they're
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still a kid, but they're starting to experience adult life things, independency,
and that is a tension point where if they don't
have genuine interaction, genuine people pouring into them, safe places
they can go and feel seen love valued If they
can't go on a soccer field, I mean we and
just play and get out energy. If you don't have that,
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and for about a year and a half they didn't,
you'll see an age that just can't seem to connect
with people past just a certain level of depth, because
that's how they put up guards to honestly survive. Because
during COVID, I mean I was, you know, married with
and just starting a family at the time. But even
where we were, we my wife and I felt like
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we had to pull back just because what we no
one knew how this was going to turn out. And
when you're a kid, you're trying to make sense of everything.
And also you're handed an iPhone so that your parents
can go off and have some free time and not
feel like they need to, you know, fill your time.
I think in many ways, people were just surviving, and
when you survive, you get distracted sometimes, and I think
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you had people who distracted themselves just to get through it.
And now they're back to normalcy. Well where did that
stage play in And are they still supposed to be
on their phones all the time? How do they put boundaries?
No one actually, you know what's crazy to me. Why
don't we in school have like classes that teach them
how to actually be healthy and actually how to put
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up healthy boundaries around technology and friendships and like where
are those boundaries? And you know, we teach on it
all the time. You should not have your phone on
past a certain time at night, you should not be
scrolling on Instagram past a certain time. You should put
up boundaries to where you have healthy bunks chunks of
time where you're just focusing on your work. And if
you don't do that, you're just gonna look for the
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next dopamine rush. What's going on my phone? Kids have
snapchat streaks that are three four years long that they're
not willing to you guys probably don't even know what that.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Means, but basically what does that mean.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It means that when you send these pictures back to
each other, if you do that every single day, there's
a streak. So when you go when you have like
three hundred and sixty five days plus of streaks, it's
like it's a it's an accomplishment. So some of their friends,
I mean, they've been doing daily snapchats for years and
it's like a badge of honors. Like, look how long
we've been doing this? And so some of these guys,
I mean literally if you watch their phone, if you
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put their phone in front of you, you'll watch every
five minutes, they'll probably have ten notifications and it's crazy.
And they're just constantly doing that with hundreds and hundreds
of kids.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But it's almost like a fake relationship. I mean, it's
just a picture. You're not really involved with a person,
are you No.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
But it's it's just that that's the whole that's the
whole season we live in is there's just this constant
flow of just people coming and wanting your attention all
the time. And as a kid, how do you decipher
who needs your attention and who doesn't. I think that's
sometimes why like parents feel like why does my kid engage? Well,
they're engaging with hundreds of people every single day, just
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not in person. So we to get back to where
what we're trying to do. We try to teach kids
healthy boundaries with this, and guess what, you can actually
put up boundaries that say I'm not needed everywhere all
the time.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And if you have your phone next to your bed too,
that you're tempted to scroll at two o'clock in the morning,
for example, and then that interrupts your sleep cycle, which
then interrupts your learning cycle at school, and then it
only exacerbates problems within a kid's life. So I mean,
you've got all those problems. Well, here's what I want
to do. We got to take a break, but I
want to ask this question to you when we come back.
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And a sermon recently, you appreciate Molmo's Hope Church. You said,
here is the major issue that young people are facing today.
And what I want you to do is when we
come back, tell people what is the major issue young
people are facing today. I'm David Chadwick, will be right back.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Christ is my full time day, the right, all the.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
And everything round me.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I'm never.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Glad.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
How to my Favjeesus.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Because he's never.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
He's fade to jenation.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So well, every generation needs a firm foundation and that's
our subject today. How young people to they need to
have a firm foundation in Jesus. Hi everyone, I'm David
Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine
three WBT.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
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Speaker 2 (20:46):
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Speaker 3 (20:58):
You are interested in.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
My son Michael Chadwick, who SHARE's ministry with me at
Moments of Hope Church, is overseeing our youth and young
adult ministry, so that's basically ages eleven twelve to thirty
or so, and he has interesting insights into all of
those different age groups. The last segment, we talked about
what the iPhone is doing to them and how we
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need to teach our kids the dangers of it and
not to be so involved with it that it controls
their lives. And here's what I want to do during
this segment is begin by asking this question to Michael
that I teased all of you with before the commercial break. Michael,
in a sermon just a couple a few weeks ago
that you preached at Moments of Hope Church, you asked
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the question to everybody, what do you think is the
greatest fear that young people have today? In my mind
went crazy and I guessed, you know, not having enough
money or not knowing what to do with my life
or whatever. Your answer was compelling. I'd love for everybody
to hear it right now. You said, growing up.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Their major fear is the fear of growing up.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Growing up.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Talk about that, please.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well. It's complicated, but it's also very simple. It's funny
because I'll give you a little bit of context. But
when we were at our high school retreat a couple
just a few months ago, I was talking to a
group of high schoolers and we're talking about fears and
you know, what they're all feeling about different things happening
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in their life. And one kid just said, I'm afraid
to grow up, and everybody went yeah. I was like
really all of you, and like, yeah, that's the biggest one,
Like growing up. I was like why, and they're like,
there's so much uncertainty, And I think it honestly goes
back to what we just talked about. COVID too is
I mean COVID they didn't know what was going to happen.
They didn't know. I mean, the min of them didn't
know when they're gonna go back to school. They lost
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sports teams. I mean, I have a guy who's worked
with me for a couple for about a year now,
and he couldn't go to his college soccer scholarship because
COVID happened right there and he lost it. And there's
so much uncertainty with growing up. Who am I going
to marry? Am I going to be okay? Can I
pay my bills? And it's it's all encompassing, but it's simple.
It's just they're afraid of what's next and they're not
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sure they're going to be ready for what's to come.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You look at I've got to get a job, I've
got to do a budget, I've got to oversee my funding.
A lot of them are thinking, I'm gonna go to school,
I'm gonna come out with a one hundred thousand dollars
debt and I've got to pay that off and then
I might want to get married. Maybe not, because you know,
many of them are putting off marriage until they think
they're financially secure or ready for it, which is only
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exacerbating the problem. So how do you address that with them?
Is it as simple as trying to teach them they
trust God?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well? It is, yes, Then you to trust God, and
it's a huge part of it. You have to have
the peace of the God is in control of their lives,
and he's not and he's for them, he's not against them,
and he's and he knows what's gonna happen. We have
to trust them, and we're not called to be perfect.
We're called to be faithful. And that's what we tell
them all the time. You need to be faithful, and
sometimes you're faithfulness is gonna lead to obedience, even if
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it's blind obedience. You have to trust that God has
a plan for your life. But you know what, I
think what's married to that too is a lot of
times we have and anxieties is a lack of preparation.
And so I think a lot of them just don't
feel prepared. It's just what is school teaching me? How
is it preparing me for the next step?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I don't have many great examples in my life of
what it looks like to have healthy relationships or have
a healthy marriage. And I think for them, it's honestly
like they're told, here is what you need to have
to have a healthy life. Yet they look at it
and say, I don't have any examples of what that
actually even looks like, so you want to talk to
about why I do ministry. We try to create an
environment that actually is authentic and shows them leaders and
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people that are for them and can show them where
they're going and be there when they make mistake, because
we tell them all the time, you're gonna make mistakes.
Life is all about taking a stumble, figuring out why
you stumbled, and not doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Again, and make sure you fail forward exactly and get
up again. All of those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Exactly Are they, do you think being prepared for stepping
into the places of leadership in this next generation? And
should we have hope with where they are today?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes? Yes, because I see it. The tide is shifting,
and I think in a generation where we thought that
they were, you know, going backwards in a way, or
they just were checking out some will But I said this,
I said this recently. In the darkest nights, the brightest
lights shine. And my call to them is the night
may get darker this next few years, but the brighter
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that you shine, the more impact you're going to come.
And I'm I'd recognize I might not get the many
that I get to work with, but the few that
I get that I get to equip and do a
good job with They're gonna be the ones who change
the world. And I truly see leaders rising up. And
what's interesting is when you grow up in a world
we are constantly told to think this way, look at this,
act like this, and you recognize where that leads because
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now we have so many studies of people who do
that and it leads to not good places. We have
a generation now that looks at that and they can
make healthy decisions saying I don't want that. I don't
want that, And so now they're not gonna be the
guinea pigs anymore. That's my real prayer is that they
don't be the ones that we test all this stuff with.
They look at the ones and say, oh, the people
who have the most success in this world and have
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the most things that they say should fulfill us are
usually the ones have the most challenges and problems. So
I think this next generation is going to look at
all these things that we're told to believe, we're told
to live like, and they're gonna say, I don't want that.
And my prayer is that in the hope that they
don't necessarily want that, they pray give me Jesus, let
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him be my rock and my foundation, and I trust
where he leads me. And if it is to places
of success, well guess what you do those things that
are successful not out of a place for performance, but
out of place of purpose.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, we've got some evidence in the nation right now
that something extraordinary, unexplainable almost is happening among young people,
starting in college, going down into high school and even
middle school. But right now, for example, in California, right
after Easter, there were over seven thousand and mostly young
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people baptized in the Pacific Ocean. And you know as
well too, there's something going on on university campuses. I
saw a picture at Ohio State University and because of
the football National championship, it was because of Jesus, a
movement of Jesus where thousands upon thousands of college kids
were worshiping Jesus.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
At Liberty University.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
There's a big picture that's on Instagram of thousands upon
thousands of those students worshiping. And it's all over the country.
It's in a lot of the Texas schools, Auburn, Alabama,
et cetera. Michael, how do you explain it?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Something's shifting, and I just want to if I get
to talk to everybody listening right now, whatever you think
about the Bible or about Jesus, my challenge is I
would spend some time thinking about why you think that way,
what your experiences, and from what I've seen the last
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few years, and working with young adult ages, when we
have atheists, agnostics, people from other religions walking all the time.
My goal in working with them is not to prove
them wrong. It's just not I'm not trying to cooper
an experience for them to just try to see that
this thing is is the right way. No, I'm just
trying to be I'm just trying to be an example
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of who I know Jesus to be. And I'm just
trying to love them as a friend, as a neighbor,
give them a moment of hope if you will. And
what's interesting is when you're just authentic, when you're real,
the biggest thing that I want is someone to say,
why why do you do this? And I think what's
happening right now is what we know to be true
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biblically is actually starting to line up with how people
are living their lives. And when you see an authentic
person who has a healthy fruit in their life get
in front of you and actually say here's what I believe.
I think it warrants people to listen.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And are people willing to hear from younger people who've
taken a biblical stand no marriage is between one man
and one woman. That no, there are only two genders.
The Bible says that so very clearly, and people taking
those stands are being listened to more and more.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
They are, yes, they are, and but in some people
aren't going to agree with that. But again, I think
that when you see the healthy fruit in someone's life,
it warrants the chance to just sit and say, why
do you believe this? And if you believe that this
infrastructure that's built is a reason why the house stands,
then I think it's warranted to say, how did you
build your house? And that's what my hope is is
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that this generation says, we have a lot of different
case studies on what we see as supposed to work,
but I see your life and it looks like it's working.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Why So it really is authenticity, genuineness that attracts people
to Jesus.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
They don't want the show, they don't want the fakeness.
They don't want the lights, the camera. Sometimes that might
work for a couple of weeks. They want the real, genuine,
heart changing life of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And it might not attract the numbers, but it will
attract those who are really seeking and want to be faithful.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, and you get the biggest revolutions have always started
with the smallest numbers. We look at Jesus with his disciples,
he picked twelve, and so I just believe that, like
we've been trying to grab these massive crowds for so long,
pick a few, make a difference, and you'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And that twelve went to one hundred and twenty, and
one hundred and twenty to three thousand at Pentecostion. Before
you know it, the gospel is all over the world.
I'll come back with some more information from my son
Michael Chadwick. Thank you all for listening. I'm David Chadwick.
We will return in just a moment.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Stat H, don't go, don't go, don't go.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
To sorrows and suffer. I find my joy in the
book Guy in Despair, I would trust in your name.
You rapping against me, shall prosper o stand.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
My God you're to save me.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
You're right my high hand.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
My heart will will be bid in my being re joiced. Sister,
you won't abandon my hustle.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You go before me.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
You're never against me or sing for about joes.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yes, indeed, choose joy. What's the option choose depression?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Absolutely not, because you have so much for which to
be thankful, don't you. Everyone? Hi, everyone, I'm David Chadwick
and this is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Welcome back to this show.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
In case you're just joining us, my son Michael has
been my guest today. Michael is on staff with me
overseeing youth and also young adult ministries ages twelve to thirty,
trying to give us some insights into this generation and
how to care for them.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
And folks, if you've heard the show, just know you
should not feel despair and hopelessness towards this generation. There's
a lot going on right now, movements of the Holy Spirit,
movements of God that really do give us hope for
what's coming down the pike with this generation. Michael, thanks
again for being with me. Okay, there's a parent listening
right now, maybe a grandparent, and they're thinking, well, how
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can I care for my.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Children who are twelve to three?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
What can I do to begin to unwrap their gifts
allow them to be all that God wants them to be.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
How would you answer?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
That's a great question. The first thing I would say
is there's a good chance that if you're seeing your
child or your grandchild struggle with something, you probably struggled
with that too. And if you're really honest, you might
not even remember that you struggled with that when you
were their age, but it might look differently like if
they have, you know, let's say a self confidence problem,
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you might be like, why why is my son struggling
with confidence? Where did that come from? I bet if
you're really honest and you look back to when you
were their age, you probably had a similar experience. And
I think sometimes parents are afraid to be vulnerable with
their kids and actually let them know. Hey, I don't
know if you ever knew this about me, but when
I was your age, I went through the same thing.
And I think, Dad, if I'm honest, one thing that
you did with me was you were very open about
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the things that you struggled with and it helped. I mean,
when you talked to me about, like some of your
challenges in school. Sometimes it helped me when I was like,
why am I having such a hard time? And when
you talk to me about, you know, some of your
challenges with you know, relationally with people. And you know,
I was a pretty skinny kid and I got picked
on sometimes because I was so skinny, and you.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I did too.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You spoke to that, and you're like, wow, if my
dad did that, and you know, now he's six' eight
and he's dealing with this and he's a, leader AND
i want TO i want to be like my. Dad
so if you did, that, Well i'll just trust that
things are going to be. Okay and SO i think,
parents AND i would say grandparents, too don't be afraid
to get in their lane and don't feel like you
need to force, it but, say, hey LIKE i KNOW
i heard a leader say this. Sometimes don't be afraid
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to SAY i see this in, you and speak to
the thing that you see that is not, good and
then don't be afraid to speak to the things that
you see that are. Good if you see that your
fifteen year old is a, leader SAY i see a
leadership quality in, you and we need to develop this
and don't and and don't think that spending time with
them is just you, know trying to have conversations all the.
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TIME i would say ask, them, hey CAN i take
you out for a weekend, trip take them and just
can we just spend time with each?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Other room.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
They, do and they also they want to be removed
from this their. Normalcy so when we do trips and
we take them outside of the normal and they we tell, them,
hey you're not going to have your phone this, weekend
even leaders you're gonna have your phone during the, day
because we know that what phones do is keep us
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connected to the normalcy and the. Complacency so when we
take you out of, that you can do actually start
to do ministry and you can also actually start to build.
Relationships so, PARENTS i would look AND i would plan
out four weeks, ahead when can you just take time
to work on the things that you see in your
kids or your grandparents or your grandkids lives and speak
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into those things that you want to see come to
fruition and know that you probably have the keys to, Say, oh,
man IF i just would have handled that, well it
would have gone out way better in my life and
so speak to that. Thing so if you see a
self confidence problem at fifteen years of, age Well i'd
rather them get that fixed by seventeen than.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Thirty is it okay for a parent to, share you,
know this is SOMETHING i did wrong and maybe a bad,
decision a bad choice in life that negatively impacted, Them
and to share that openly and honestly with your. Kid
i've always said, yes because if that keeps your kid
from doing, it that's a good.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Thing, yes one hundred. Percent share the things that you
did that you wish you could not do. Anymore, however
do not share them in a way that feels like you're.
Bragging sometimes parents do it where they share out of
a place of, like WELL i did, this and then
why can't?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
You?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah but so like what kids want to hear is
what you. Learn so if you struggled with, alcohol let's
just use that one for. Example your kids should know
that you struggle with. ALCOHOL i have talked to so
many young adults who have told, me, yeah my parents
or my grandparent never told me they struggle with. Alcoholism
AND i had that gene AND i became an. ALCOHOLIC
i should have known that there are certain things that
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you need to know and you need to share because
you'll you'll help. Them, see they need to be. Careful
AND i think all of us have things that we
just we're more like our parents and our grandparents than
we actually even. Realize so let's break lineage generational stuff
that stops. Here so's if there's an alcoholism or a
or a self confidence or an anxiety or depression, issue
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you need to know that where the struggles and you
need to work on it together and then surround yourself
with people in your church that actually know you and
know how to get you. Help and it's not a
place of, weakness it's a place of. Strength we're not
weak for what we deal with where it's actually just
a reality being a. Human and then you get to.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
SPEAK i love.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
This what testimony really is is you speak to the
thing that you got set free. Of and then you
get to take those chains and drop them into someone's
at someone's feet and, say let me tell you HOW
i got free of. These that's the power in. It
and if you don't do, that then people don't know
how to get. Out but that's why we need. TESTIMONIES i,
mean some of the greatest testimonies we've heard are at
church and beyond our, people people who fought these battles
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and it led to, this this terrible thing that happened
in their life and this, heartbreak and kids love to hear.
THAT i have one of my, leaders AND i know
we got to switch up in a, second BUT i
got one of my leaders who had a, crazy crazy,
story spent three years in, jail had had federal, charges
got them all, dropped and now has a healthy, life healthy,
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marriage healthy. Family and you would never ever guess that
he went through. That he got in front of my
high schoolers and shared his. Story they all said that
was the most impactful thing they heard all year.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Long, wow all year.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Long wow SAID i want to know. THAT i want
to know how he did, that BECAUSE i don't want
to go through.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
That, well there's so many biblical stories of where somebody
had a familial or generational curse because of a parent
or grandparent's decision and it got to them and they,
Said i'm going to reverse the. Curse i'm going to
make choices now that will reverse, that And i'm going
to pass the blessing onto my. Children and there are
many many biblical examples of that kind of truth as,
well and that's what you're talking. About, yes, Well, michael
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we only have a lit litle bit of time. Left
wrap it up in just a. Minute what do you
want to say to everyone today about this generation twelve to.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Thirty the biggest THING i would say is don't count them.
Out and, honestly, guys they are the ones who need
the most. Help but they're the ones who are going
to make the biggest. Difference and so if we forget
them and we think that they're just too far, gone
then we will create a generation of people who are
highly independent and highly. Removed but if we lean, in
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this is going to be the generation that changes the.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
World, well why don't you take thirty seconds and pray
for everybody right now as we end the.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Program, YEAH i love to, Well, JESUS i thank you
so much for the privilege and the honor to do
ministry in the city Of charlotte and. Beyond, LORD i
pray for this next generation as you raise them up
to be, leaders mighty men and women of valor that
go forth in this world and change, it not for
their own selfish, Ambition, lord not for their own, performance
but for your. Glory we LOVE E King jesus and your, Name.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Emma, Well i've got a son That i'm very proud.
Of have another one Named. David i'm Very i'm proud
of a, daughter And i'm proud of and just thank
You lord for giving me great kids who will pass
on to the next generation the truth.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
About who you are and how to live for. You
I'm David.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Chadwick this Is News talk, eleven ten ninety nine THREE.
Wbt i'll talk with you all next.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Week
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk
eleven ten, ninety ninety three WBT.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
In case you don't know, this is a faith and
values program that we've been doing here on WBT for
over twenty five years. It's been a pleasure doing the program,
and thank you for listening. Many thanks to Perry's Find
Jewelry for your sponsorship of the show. Without you, I
could not do this on a weekly basis. Well, I
have a special show today, largely because one of the
members of my family, Michael, is going to be on
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the show with me. But he's going to address an
issue that I think really needs to be addressed today,
and that's what's going on with youth today now. Michael
graduated from the University Missouri some years ago, was an
Olympic level swimmer and worldwide known with a record that
he held with three other guys in a relay, and
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he's just been a special son from day one and
he felt a call to ministry. And when he came
to me and said, Dad, I feel this call. Let's
get you involved in youth ministry. There's no better training
ground for actual ministry than dealing with youth. And Michael,
welcome to the show. It's great having you here today.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, great being here. And what privilege has been to
be on here before and come now and do ministry
with you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, it's a great pleasure.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And you were still in swim world when you felt
that call to ministry.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'd love for you to share how that call came about.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
It was about three and a half years ago and
my wife and I are flying back from a trip
from Miami back to Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where we
were living at the time, and I had a crazy
encounter with a lady sitting next to me on an
airplane that just so happened to turn over to me,
look at me me, what's your name, what do you do,
what do you believe? Where are you going? And I
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started having this conversation with her and eventually she asks,
why are you not going to ministry? And I said,
what do you mean? She's like, you're clearly called to
go into ministry. Why are you not going to ministry?
And I said, I've lived in ministry world. I'm not
sure that's exactly what.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I want to do. You know too much, I'm afraid yeah,
And I.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Said, I'm just not sure that's what I want. She's like, Michael,
I'm going to tell you. I don't know you very well.
But I talked to God every single day. I read
his word, and I know for a fact that you're
called to ministry. You're running. And it's interesting. I got
off the airplane, I talked to my wife and I said,
did you hear any of the things that that lady
just told me? She said, yeah, what do you think?
And I was like, we need to start praying. So
we spent a few weeks praying on this, and we
came to the firm decision that guy was calling us,
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and we listed our house, got a house here in Charlotte,
moved very quickly, came here, jumped both feet in, and
we've been running ever since.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, youth ministry is not for the feint of heart.
It really is challenging. But you've done a great job
building a ministry, and you've now had two children since
that call, and they're is Grayson and also Ellis two
of your children. And it's been fun to watch your
family grow too.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
It has.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's been a great it's been a pretty much you know,
growing kids up in this world. I think one thing
that's been really special to me is as I pour
into all of these middle schoolers and high scholers, many
of them are like older brothers and sisters to my sons.
And Grayson, who's four, I mean, he says all the time,
like where are my buddies? And he comes on the
ministry nights he's like, where's my little buddies? And like
last night he's running around talking to all of them,
and they treat him like a little brother.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, you know, I ran away from the call to
ministry myself, and I was twenty seven until God finally
backed me into the corner and said, this is what
I want you to do.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You're supposed to go into ministry.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
My dad was a pastor, like you know, you've seen
me over the years, and I thought, man, I don't
want to get into all of that craziness in church world.
But when God's call is God's call, you've got to
respond to it, and I had every empathy for you
what you were going through. But I was certainly glad
and moved deeply when God did call you in the ministry.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And I think also, like when there's a call like
that on your life, you look back at certain moments
and you think, oh, that's why I was in that situation.
And I realized that swimming for me was never about
how fast I could move through the water. It was
about who I'm impacting in the process, and swimming for
me was ministry. I just never saw it so that
the lives I touched, the people's houses, they got to
go over to and speak about Jesus. The you know,
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Olympic swimmers, they got to sit with and proclaim the
gospel too, and listen to how they said. I'd never
heard anything like this, and it just it was a
privilege to be able to have accolades that don't point
toward myself, a point toward Jesus. So it it's been
a real privilege, and so had I had to realize
that that all along God was leading me to a
bigger thing. I just had to see what that was.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, you've now been in youth ministry for how long again,
it's in about three and a half years.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Wow, that seems impossible. But you are dealing with the
next generation. You're dealing with middle schoolers, high schoolers, and
you also started a young adult ministry, so you basically
are caring for people from the ages of twelve to
thirty and well, and I want to talk to you
about on today's sh h is what's going on in
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their lives? You know, how are they living their lives
with hope in today's crazy world.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
What did COVID do to them?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Because I think there's some evidence that's coming out more
and more that COVID really did negatively impact a lot
of those kids living through that time period when they
couldn't go to school, was all remote learning and isolation,
all those kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And you're dealing with that firsthand, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, And and I say this all the time. What
COVID did was expose the truths that were already there.
A lot of these issues were already there. And then
what COVID did is when you lock people in their houses,
you tell them to silo, you tell them that they
have to fill their time, they just dive deeper. Into
the things that they were already doing. So it's like
escapism to the max. And so you see kids in
this next generation who grew up just trying to pass
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the time away, just trying to fill their time on Instagram,
trying to fill their time on you know, watching Netflix
and texting and facetiming and snapchatting, and there's so much
time that's spent not face to face and not within
touching a phone every ten seconds that it's almost like
a dopamine rush that they've found that addiction to every
ten seconds, and they've lost the ability to actually just
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sit and be. And so one of the things that
we're trying to re equip them with is just like
if you come here on a Monday night, if you're
a young adult, or a Wednesday night with the middle school,
high school, you're here and you're safe and you're loved,
and you don't have to be anywhere else. And teaching
them to actually just take an hour and just be
here and don't worry about anything else and actually grow
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and learn how much Jesus loves you and how much
our leaders love you. And it's interesting that that has
shifted so much in the way of thinking because they
think that like once something becomes boring, they got to
jump the next thing. So I think that's what it
is for me, is there's this instant gratification that is
so prevalent in this next generation. And I was sitting
with a kid yesterday who is a star lacrosse player
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who has this big thing that it's creepy into his
mind constantly of am I enough? Am I enough? And
every time that he feels like he's not, he has
to jump to the next thing and the next thing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That voice is Michael Chadwick, my son doing youth ministry,
a couple hundred kids coming out on a regular basis
to listen about Jesus. We'll talk more about that in
just a moment. How everyone, I'm David Chadwick. This is
(08:43):
News Talk eleven ten ninety nine three WVT. How can
we get children and teens filled with God?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's our question today.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And my guest is my own son, Michael Chadwick, who
is doing youth minished reading now at the church Moments
Hope Church that I oversee, and I'm just so privileged
to have him on staff with me. My wife Marilyn
as well. It's just been fun having family work together.
And Michael, I wanted you to talk to listeners today
about what's going on with this younger world from middle
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school to young adults. You oversee all of that ministry
at Moments of Hope Church from twelve to thirty, and
you have experiences with these people in this age group
like few others that I know, and a lot of
people are really down on our younger generation and saying.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Hey, there's no hope whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
They just want to sit in the basement and play
video games and be on their cell phones and they
aren't really taking responsibility for their lives. But you're really
experiencing a hunger in their hearts that Jesus is indeed filling.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Talk about it.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, I am. And it's interesting. I think somewhere along
the way we thought that, like this next generation is
turning their hearts away because a lot of what we
see them fill their time with is technology, phone and
all these things that this from our generation, and I'm
kind of stuck in the middle. We think of it
like what it was going on? Why are they so busy?
Why are they so addicted to this? Well, the reality
(10:10):
is that's just the thing they've grown up in. I
say this all the time. Imagine if you grew up
in a world where the iPhone was normal, like that
was expected. And many of us are old enough to remember,
there was a time where you could not connect with
people because you didn't have a means to connect with them.
You couldn't FaceTime them, you couldn't text them, you couldn't
go look at their posts and see, oh I missed
out on a get together last week, or that basketball game,
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or why why didn't I get invited to that thing?
That they are so connected. We live in the most
connected generation in the history of the world, yet also
the most isolated generation in the history of the world,
because kids recognize that they're so connected with each other,
yet the connection's not really real. And so what I've
noticed is they're hungry for what's real, and when they
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see and they taste what's actually authentic, they.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Run to it. That's face to face community, and.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's even deeper than that, it's face to face communication
that actually says you see me. The number of times
I've had kids come up to me like, Michael, you
see me, you notice me? Why do you notice me?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And it's such that mean that you notice them, Does
it mean you know them? You have made the effort
to try to get inside them and feel what they
feel and know what they know.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Number one thing is just remembering their name is a
simple thing.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Number two is just remembering something about them, and then
number three is just remembering a memory that you have
with them. And what I've noticed is like if I
can just get to a kid's heart and say, like,
I see you, I remember you, and then I love
it when I spent this moment with you. So that's why,
like trips are so special because you can do so much.
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You can do months of ministry in like two days
because you're with them NonStop and you get below the
surface level layer that so many kids think that everything
is just surface level. Everything, this is where life is
is just surface level, and when you equip leaders to
get to the deeper parts. I mean, we've seen kids
have highly emotional responses to our youth Ministry nights because
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they come and they just feel seen and then they
feel loved.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Is that part of their lives with their parents? If
their parents are so busy that they haven't been able
to invest in their own children, is that part of
what's going on or I guess the better question, what's happening?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
It could be. I mean, there is a challenge. I
think that a lot of parents are having and connecting
with their kids. I hear from parents all the time, Michael,
I don't know what's going on with my child. I can't.
They're not talking to me, they're not opening up. And
I do think I think there has to be a
mixture in this world of having healthy parents that know
their kids, know how they're raising them, and then you
need people like young adults aged who see them, know
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them and can talk their language. That's why we personally
have built our ministry out of Vota around the concept
of equipping the young adult age to equip the next generation,
because we're a lot of times the older adult has
all the experience, has all the knowledge, and all the
way of seeing where this life goes. Well, the young
adult was just there, and so they can go behind
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the walls and get to the kids heart and say
I've been you, I was just you recently. Let me
tell you how I got out, let me tell you
how I broke that problem. And what we see is
kids look at this almost like a football field. I
gi us an aalogy. All the time they look at
the next person ahead. So the middle schooler looks to
the high schooler, who looks to the young adult, who
looks to the young married couple, who looks to the older,
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wiser adult, who looks to to the wise grandparent. And
that's how we look at life, and we constantly have
to see how we're working down this field. But if
you put the middle schooler in front of like the grandparent,
they'll learn from them, but they might say, how do
I even get there? So you have to put stages
in front of them and say here's the next step,
here's the next step, and they will get there.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So your mom and I just celebrated our forty seventh
wedding anniversary. You're saying that kids really do want to
look up to older people and say, hey, they've made
it work, they've stayed together, they've made marriage work, they've
made life work, they've been good parents, and so there's
a place even for those folks as well as ministering
to younger people.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
We need those people. I don't have the experience of
my life to be able to speak to all things.
I have two young kids. I'm learning myself. But if
the high schooler can look to me and say, Michael's
got something, I want that, And then if I'm looking
toward the next generation older than me, well that is
how this whole thing works in discipleship, where we're all
teaching each other how to get down this field of life.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So talk some more about what COVID did to this generation.
I mean, it was about five years ago, believe it
or not, and everybody's isolated. Everybody has the iPhone and
that's all.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
What did it do to young people?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Well, let's take this senior graduating class for example, this
senior graduating class graduating twenty twenty five. Well, they're about
eighteen years old, so you got to think they were
about twelve or thirteen when this whole thing was starting,
when they had to be forced inside. So that's a
sixth or a seventh grader, debatably the most instrumental development
period in someone's life, where that age is like they're
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still a kid, but they're starting to experience adult life things, independency,
and that is a tension point where if they don't
have genuine interaction, genuine people pouring into them, safe places
they can go and feel seen love valued If they
can't go on a soccer field, I mean we and
just play and get out energy. If you don't have that,
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and for about a year and a half they didn't,
you'll see an age that just can't seem to connect
with people past just a certain level of depth, because
that's how they put up guards to honestly survive. Because
during COVID, I mean I was, you know, married with
and just starting a family at the time. But even
where we were, we my wife and I felt like
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we had to pull back just because what we no
one knew how this was going to turn out. And
when you're a kid, you're trying to make sense of everything.
And also you're handed an iPhone so that your parents
can go off and have some free time and not
feel like they need to, you know, fill your time.
I think in many ways, people were just surviving, and
when you survive, you get distracted sometimes, and I think
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you had people who distracted themselves just to get through it.
And now they're back to normalcy. Well where did that
stage play in And are they still supposed to be
on their phones all the time? How do they put boundaries?
No one actually, you know what's crazy to me. Why
don't we in school have like classes that teach them
how to actually be healthy and actually how to put
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up healthy boundaries around technology and friendships and like where
are those boundaries? And you know, we teach on it
all the time. You should not have your phone on
past a certain time at night, you should not be
scrolling on Instagram past a certain time. You should put
up boundaries to where you have healthy bunks chunks of
time where you're just focusing on your work. And if
you don't do that, you're just gonna look for the
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next dopamine rush. What's going on my phone? Kids have
snapchat streaks that are three four years long that they're
not willing to you guys probably don't even know what that.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Means, but basically what does that mean.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It means that when you send these pictures back to
each other, if you do that every single day, there's
a streak. So when you go when you have like
three hundred and sixty five days plus of streaks, it's
like it's a it's an accomplishment. So some of their friends,
I mean, they've been doing daily snapchats for years and
it's like a badge of honors. Like, look how long
we've been doing this? And so some of these guys,
I mean literally if you watch their phone, if you
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put their phone in front of you, you'll watch every
five minutes, they'll probably have ten notifications and it's crazy.
And they're just constantly doing that with hundreds and hundreds
of kids.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But it's almost like a fake relationship. I mean, it's
just a picture. You're not really involved with a person,
are you No.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
But it's it's just that that's the whole that's the
whole season we live in is there's just this constant
flow of just people coming and wanting your attention all
the time. And as a kid, how do you decipher
who needs your attention and who doesn't. I think that's
sometimes why like parents feel like why does my kid engage? Well,
they're engaging with hundreds of people every single day, just
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not in person. So we to get back to where
what we're trying to do. We try to teach kids
healthy boundaries with this, and guess what, you can actually
put up boundaries that say I'm not needed everywhere all
the time.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And if you have your phone next to your bed too,
that you're tempted to scroll at two o'clock in the morning,
for example, and then that interrupts your sleep cycle, which
then interrupts your learning cycle at school, and then it
only exacerbates problems within a kid's life. So I mean,
you've got all those problems. Well, here's what I want
to do. We got to take a break, but I
want to ask this question to you when we come back.
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And a sermon recently, you appreciate Molmo's Hope Church. You said,
here is the major issue that young people are facing today.
And what I want you to do is when we
come back, tell people what is the major issue young
people are facing today. I'm David Chadwick, will be right back.
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Christ is my full time day, the right, all the.
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And everything round me.
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I'm never.
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Glad.
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How to my Favjeesus.
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Because he's never.
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He's fade to jenation.
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So well, every generation needs a firm foundation and that's
our subject today. How young people to they need to
have a firm foundation in Jesus. Hi everyone, I'm David
Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine
three WBT.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
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Speaker 3 (20:58):
You are interested in.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
My son Michael Chadwick, who SHARE's ministry with me at
Moments of Hope Church, is overseeing our youth and young
adult ministry, so that's basically ages eleven twelve to thirty
or so, and he has interesting insights into all of
those different age groups. The last segment, we talked about
what the iPhone is doing to them and how we
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need to teach our kids the dangers of it and
not to be so involved with it that it controls
their lives. And here's what I want to do during
this segment is begin by asking this question to Michael
that I teased all of you with before the commercial break. Michael,
in a sermon just a couple a few weeks ago
that you preached at Moments of Hope Church, you asked
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the question to everybody, what do you think is the
greatest fear that young people have today? In my mind
went crazy and I guessed, you know, not having enough
money or not knowing what to do with my life
or whatever. Your answer was compelling. I'd love for everybody
to hear it right now. You said, growing up.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Their major fear is the fear of growing up.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Growing up.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Talk about that, please.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well. It's complicated, but it's also very simple. It's funny
because I'll give you a little bit of context. But
when we were at our high school retreat a couple
just a few months ago, I was talking to a
group of high schoolers and we're talking about fears and
you know, what they're all feeling about different things happening
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in their life. And one kid just said, I'm afraid
to grow up, and everybody went yeah. I was like
really all of you, and like, yeah, that's the biggest one,
Like growing up. I was like why, and they're like,
there's so much uncertainty, And I think it honestly goes
back to what we just talked about. COVID too is
I mean COVID they didn't know what was going to happen.
They didn't know. I mean, the min of them didn't
know when they're gonna go back to school. They lost
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sports teams. I mean, I have a guy who's worked
with me for a couple for about a year now,
and he couldn't go to his college soccer scholarship because
COVID happened right there and he lost it. And there's
so much uncertainty with growing up. Who am I going
to marry? Am I going to be okay? Can I
pay my bills? And it's it's all encompassing, but it's simple.
It's just they're afraid of what's next and they're not
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sure they're going to be ready for what's to come.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You look at I've got to get a job, I've
got to do a budget, I've got to oversee my funding.
A lot of them are thinking, I'm gonna go to school,
I'm gonna come out with a one hundred thousand dollars
debt and I've got to pay that off and then
I might want to get married. Maybe not, because you know,
many of them are putting off marriage until they think
they're financially secure or ready for it, which is only
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exacerbating the problem. So how do you address that with them?
Is it as simple as trying to teach them they
trust God?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well? It is, yes, Then you to trust God, and
it's a huge part of it. You have to have
the peace of the God is in control of their lives,
and he's not and he's for them, he's not against them,
and he's and he knows what's gonna happen. We have
to trust them, and we're not called to be perfect.
We're called to be faithful. And that's what we tell
them all the time. You need to be faithful, and
sometimes you're faithfulness is gonna lead to obedience, even if
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it's blind obedience. You have to trust that God has
a plan for your life. But you know what, I
think what's married to that too is a lot of
times we have and anxieties is a lack of preparation.
And so I think a lot of them just don't
feel prepared. It's just what is school teaching me? How
is it preparing me for the next step?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I don't have many great examples in my life of
what it looks like to have healthy relationships or have
a healthy marriage. And I think for them, it's honestly
like they're told, here is what you need to have
to have a healthy life. Yet they look at it
and say, I don't have any examples of what that
actually even looks like, so you want to talk to
about why I do ministry. We try to create an
environment that actually is authentic and shows them leaders and
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people that are for them and can show them where
they're going and be there when they make mistake, because
we tell them all the time, you're gonna make mistakes.
Life is all about taking a stumble, figuring out why
you stumbled, and not doing it.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Again, and make sure you fail forward exactly and get
up again. All of those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Exactly Are they, do you think being prepared for stepping
into the places of leadership in this next generation? And
should we have hope with where they are today?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yes? Yes, because I see it. The tide is shifting,
and I think in a generation where we thought that
they were, you know, going backwards in a way, or
they just were checking out some will But I said this,
I said this recently. In the darkest nights, the brightest
lights shine. And my call to them is the night
may get darker this next few years, but the brighter
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that you shine, the more impact you're going to come.
And I'm I'd recognize I might not get the many
that I get to work with, but the few that
I get that I get to equip and do a
good job with They're gonna be the ones who change
the world. And I truly see leaders rising up. And
what's interesting is when you grow up in a world
we are constantly told to think this way, look at this,
act like this, and you recognize where that leads because
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now we have so many studies of people who do
that and it leads to not good places. We have
a generation now that looks at that and they can
make healthy decisions saying I don't want that. I don't
want that, And so now they're not gonna be the
guinea pigs anymore. That's my real prayer is that they
don't be the ones that we test all this stuff with.
They look at the ones and say, oh, the people
who have the most success in this world and have
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the most things that they say should fulfill us are
usually the ones have the most challenges and problems. So
I think this next generation is going to look at
all these things that we're told to believe, we're told
to live like, and they're gonna say, I don't want that.
And my prayer is that in the hope that they
don't necessarily want that, they pray give me Jesus, let
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him be my rock and my foundation, and I trust
where he leads me. And if it is to places
of success, well guess what you do those things that
are successful not out of a place for performance, but
out of place of purpose.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, we've got some evidence in the nation right now
that something extraordinary, unexplainable almost is happening among young people,
starting in college, going down into high school and even
middle school. But right now, for example, in California, right
after Easter, there were over seven thousand and mostly young
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people baptized in the Pacific Ocean. And you know as
well too, there's something going on on university campuses. I
saw a picture at Ohio State University and because of
the football National championship, it was because of Jesus, a
movement of Jesus where thousands upon thousands of college kids
were worshiping Jesus.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
At Liberty University.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
There's a big picture that's on Instagram of thousands upon
thousands of those students worshiping. And it's all over the country.
It's in a lot of the Texas schools, Auburn, Alabama,
et cetera. Michael, how do you explain it?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Something's shifting, and I just want to if I get
to talk to everybody listening right now, whatever you think
about the Bible or about Jesus, my challenge is I
would spend some time thinking about why you think that way,
what your experiences, and from what I've seen the last
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few years, and working with young adult ages, when we
have atheists, agnostics, people from other religions walking all the time.
My goal in working with them is not to prove
them wrong. It's just not I'm not trying to cooper
an experience for them to just try to see that
this thing is is the right way. No, I'm just
trying to be I'm just trying to be an example
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of who I know Jesus to be. And I'm just
trying to love them as a friend, as a neighbor,
give them a moment of hope if you will. And
what's interesting is when you're just authentic, when you're real,
the biggest thing that I want is someone to say,
why why do you do this? And I think what's
happening right now is what we know to be true
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biblically is actually starting to line up with how people
are living their lives. And when you see an authentic
person who has a healthy fruit in their life get
in front of you and actually say here's what I believe.
I think it warrants people to listen.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And are people willing to hear from younger people who've
taken a biblical stand no marriage is between one man
and one woman. That no, there are only two genders.
The Bible says that so very clearly, and people taking
those stands are being listened to more and more.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
They are, yes, they are, and but in some people
aren't going to agree with that. But again, I think
that when you see the healthy fruit in someone's life,
it warrants the chance to just sit and say, why
do you believe this? And if you believe that this
infrastructure that's built is a reason why the house stands,
then I think it's warranted to say, how did you
build your house? And that's what my hope is is
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that this generation says, we have a lot of different
case studies on what we see as supposed to work,
but I see your life and it looks like it's working.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Why So it really is authenticity, genuineness that attracts people
to Jesus.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
They don't want the show, they don't want the fakeness.
They don't want the lights, the camera. Sometimes that might
work for a couple of weeks. They want the real, genuine,
heart changing life of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And it might not attract the numbers, but it will
attract those who are really seeking and want to be faithful.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, and you get the biggest revolutions have always started
with the smallest numbers. We look at Jesus with his disciples,
he picked twelve, and so I just believe that, like
we've been trying to grab these massive crowds for so long,
pick a few, make a difference, and you'll see.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And that twelve went to one hundred and twenty, and
one hundred and twenty to three thousand at Pentecostion. Before
you know it, the gospel is all over the world.
I'll come back with some more information from my son
Michael Chadwick. Thank you all for listening. I'm David Chadwick.
We will return in just a moment.
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To sorrows and suffer. I find my joy in the
book Guy in Despair, I would trust in your name.
You rapping against me, shall prosper o stand.
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My God you're to save me.
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You're right my high hand.
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My heart will will be bid in my being re joiced. Sister,
you won't abandon my hustle.
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You go before me.
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You're never against me or sing for about joes.
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Yes, indeed, choose joy. What's the option choose depression?
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Absolutely not, because you have so much for which to
be thankful, don't you. Everyone? Hi, everyone, I'm David Chadwick
and this is News Talk eleven, ten ninety nine three WBT.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Welcome back to this show.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
In case you're just joining us, my son Michael has
been my guest today. Michael is on staff with me
overseeing youth and also young adult ministries ages twelve to thirty,
trying to give us some insights into this generation and
how to care for them.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
And folks, if you've heard the show, just know you
should not feel despair and hopelessness towards this generation. There's
a lot going on right now, movements of the Holy Spirit,
movements of God that really do give us hope for
what's coming down the pike with this generation. Michael, thanks
again for being with me. Okay, there's a parent listening
right now, maybe a grandparent, and they're thinking, well, how
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can I care for my.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Children who are twelve to three?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
What can I do to begin to unwrap their gifts
allow them to be all that God wants them to be.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
How would you answer?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
That's a great question. The first thing I would say
is there's a good chance that if you're seeing your
child or your grandchild struggle with something, you probably struggled
with that too. And if you're really honest, you might
not even remember that you struggled with that when you
were their age, but it might look differently like if
they have, you know, let's say a self confidence problem,
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you might be like, why why is my son struggling
with confidence? Where did that come from? I bet if
you're really honest and you look back to when you
were their age, you probably had a similar experience. And
I think sometimes parents are afraid to be vulnerable with
their kids and actually let them know. Hey, I don't
know if you ever knew this about me, but when
I was your age, I went through the same thing.
And I think, Dad, if I'm honest, one thing that
you did with me was you were very open about
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the things that you struggled with and it helped. I mean,
when you talked to me about, like some of your
challenges in school. Sometimes it helped me when I was like,
why am I having such a hard time? And when
you talk to me about, you know, some of your
challenges with you know, relationally with people. And you know,
I was a pretty skinny kid and I got picked
on sometimes because I was so skinny, and you.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I did too.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You spoke to that, and you're like, wow, if my
dad did that, and you know, now he's six' eight
and he's dealing with this and he's a, leader AND
i want TO i want to be like my. Dad
so if you did, that, Well i'll just trust that
things are going to be. Okay and SO i think,
parents AND i would say grandparents, too don't be afraid
to get in their lane and don't feel like you
need to force, it but, say, hey LIKE i KNOW
i heard a leader say this. Sometimes don't be afraid
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to SAY i see this in, you and speak to
the thing that you see that is not, good and
then don't be afraid to speak to the things that
you see that are. Good if you see that your
fifteen year old is a, leader SAY i see a
leadership quality in, you and we need to develop this
and don't and and don't think that spending time with
them is just you, know trying to have conversations all the.
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TIME i would say ask, them, hey CAN i take
you out for a weekend, trip take them and just
can we just spend time with each?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Other room.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
They, do and they also they want to be removed
from this their. Normalcy so when we do trips and
we take them outside of the normal and they we tell, them,
hey you're not going to have your phone this, weekend
even leaders you're gonna have your phone during the, day
because we know that what phones do is keep us
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connected to the normalcy and the. Complacency so when we
take you out of, that you can do actually start
to do ministry and you can also actually start to build.
Relationships so, PARENTS i would look AND i would plan
out four weeks, ahead when can you just take time
to work on the things that you see in your
kids or your grandparents or your grandkids lives and speak
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into those things that you want to see come to
fruition and know that you probably have the keys to, Say, oh,
man IF i just would have handled that, well it
would have gone out way better in my life and
so speak to that. Thing so if you see a
self confidence problem at fifteen years of, age Well i'd
rather them get that fixed by seventeen than.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Thirty is it okay for a parent to, share you,
know this is SOMETHING i did wrong and maybe a bad,
decision a bad choice in life that negatively impacted, Them
and to share that openly and honestly with your. Kid
i've always said, yes because if that keeps your kid
from doing, it that's a good.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Thing, yes one hundred. Percent share the things that you
did that you wish you could not do. Anymore, however
do not share them in a way that feels like you're.
Bragging sometimes parents do it where they share out of
a place of, like WELL i did, this and then
why can't?
Speaker 5 (37:37):
You?
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah but so like what kids want to hear is
what you. Learn so if you struggled with, alcohol let's
just use that one for. Example your kids should know
that you struggle with. ALCOHOL i have talked to so
many young adults who have told, me, yeah my parents
or my grandparent never told me they struggle with. Alcoholism
AND i had that gene AND i became an. ALCOHOLIC
i should have known that there are certain things that
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you need to know and you need to share because
you'll you'll help. Them, see they need to be. Careful
AND i think all of us have things that we
just we're more like our parents and our grandparents than
we actually even. Realize so let's break lineage generational stuff
that stops. Here so's if there's an alcoholism or a
or a self confidence or an anxiety or depression, issue
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you need to know that where the struggles and you
need to work on it together and then surround yourself
with people in your church that actually know you and
know how to get you. Help and it's not a
place of, weakness it's a place of. Strength we're not
weak for what we deal with where it's actually just
a reality being a. Human and then you get to.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
SPEAK i love.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
This what testimony really is is you speak to the
thing that you got set free. Of and then you
get to take those chains and drop them into someone's
at someone's feet and, say let me tell you HOW
i got free of. These that's the power in. It
and if you don't do, that then people don't know
how to get. Out but that's why we need. TESTIMONIES i,
mean some of the greatest testimonies we've heard are at
church and beyond our, people people who fought these battles
(39:02):
and it led to, this this terrible thing that happened
in their life and this, heartbreak and kids love to hear.
THAT i have one of my, leaders AND i know
we got to switch up in a, second BUT i
got one of my leaders who had a, crazy crazy,
story spent three years in, jail had had federal, charges
got them all, dropped and now has a healthy, life healthy,
(39:23):
marriage healthy. Family and you would never ever guess that
he went through. That he got in front of my
high schoolers and shared his. Story they all said that
was the most impactful thing they heard all year.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Long, wow all year.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Long wow SAID i want to know. THAT i want
to know how he did, that BECAUSE i don't want
to go through.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
That, well there's so many biblical stories of where somebody
had a familial or generational curse because of a parent
or grandparent's decision and it got to them and they,
Said i'm going to reverse the. Curse i'm going to
make choices now that will reverse, that And i'm going
to pass the blessing onto my. Children and there are
many many biblical examples of that kind of truth as,
well and that's what you're talking. About, yes, Well, michael
(39:59):
we only have a lit litle bit of time. Left
wrap it up in just a. Minute what do you
want to say to everyone today about this generation twelve to.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Thirty the biggest THING i would say is don't count them.
Out and, honestly, guys they are the ones who need
the most. Help but they're the ones who are going
to make the biggest. Difference and so if we forget
them and we think that they're just too far, gone
then we will create a generation of people who are
highly independent and highly. Removed but if we lean, in
(40:29):
this is going to be the generation that changes the.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
World, well why don't you take thirty seconds and pray
for everybody right now as we end the.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Program, YEAH i love to, Well, JESUS i thank you
so much for the privilege and the honor to do
ministry in the city Of charlotte and. Beyond, LORD i
pray for this next generation as you raise them up
to be, leaders mighty men and women of valor that
go forth in this world and change, it not for
their own selfish, Ambition, lord not for their own, performance
but for your. Glory we LOVE E King jesus and your, Name.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Emma, Well i've got a son That i'm very proud.
Of have another one Named. David i'm Very i'm proud
of a, daughter And i'm proud of and just thank
You lord for giving me great kids who will pass
on to the next generation the truth.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
About who you are and how to live for. You
I'm David.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Chadwick this Is News talk, eleven ten ninety nine THREE.
Wbt i'll talk with you all next.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
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