August 17, 2025 • 42 mins
Guest, Noah Manyika who has just written a book on why the church needs to embrace at some level AI. It’s obviously a new technology. Some feel like it’s the new Internet for people. Noah brings that to bare from his book that he has just released. Hails from Zimbabwe and shares some great insights into the problem facing White farmers that are experiencing in Zimbabwe and South Africa. And the pressures that they are under by people who want to seize their lands. That was an issue some months ago with immigrants coming from South Africa to America by Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hi everyone. I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome to the show. In
case you don't know, this is a faith and values
program that tries to intersect faith and values with what's
going on locally and globally. It's been a pleasure doing
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could not do this on a weekly basis. And I'm
so grateful for your sponsorship. You're just great. People love you.
Thank you so much. Well, today is a great day
and I've been looking forward to it for a while.
My guest is Noah Manyika. Noah's name obviously suggests he
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is from another place that places zimbob Wa no Mint Hill,
David oh mintil Okay Mint Hill through zimbob Way, former
Rhodesia if people love their African history. But Noah and
I go way back in a lot of different ways
to share ministry together. He's just a wonderful, kind, good
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human being. Noah real quickly give a shout out to
phyllis your beloved for how many years?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
These is a thirty eight Mr thirty eight years?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Good?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, good? And she still looks twenty one.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And the love of your life. You have how many children?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We have three kids. They wouldn't like me to call
them kids anymore now with two daughters, two beautiful daughters,
and the son Kennedy's the youngest. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, well, I know that you're very proud of them,
as you should be. And I just learned this summer
just to tell everybody that I've got two more grandkids
on the way. So Marilyn and I love to tell
the story about not being able to have children and
God did a miracle and healed her of some problems,
and now we have three children and now twelve grandchildren,
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and we're just very awed by the grace of God.
And I know that you believe in the grace of God.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Knows absolutely absolutely, you know I am a living testimony
of the hand of God. You know, I consider myself
a miracle. Really. When I was born, my mom wasn't
supposed to have any more children after three kids, so
I came in after me. They say no more. So
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I'm a miracle.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But there's there's so many stories of healing in my
own family and so on my own father, you know.
And these brothers were epileptic from birth. And the encounter
with Jesus actually was the result of somebody arriving at
my grandfather's place and saying, I know you have a problem.
You've tried everything. I have something to offer you Jesus.
And they got delivered and healed and that problem which
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had plagued the family for decades disappeared completely.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Wow. How did you come to faith in the Lord?
Was that in Zimbabwe?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was in Zimbabwe in nineteen seventy seven, at the
height by the way of the Rhodesion War. I was
a student and most of my friends and I we
were at that point very vulnerable. We were actually thinking
about going to join the liberation struggle. That's when I
went to a Scripture Union camp. Scripture Union is kind
of like Young Life and they minister a lot to schools,
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high schools. And I was invited to go to a
camp for the Scripture Union. I must confess I agreed
because there was a girl who was going there who
was interested.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
God can use anything for his purposes.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And I met Jesus, so I will never forget that.
Nineteen seventy seven, I was reminiscing about that with one guy,
who was it that came in nineteen seventy seven who
came to visit me in Charlotte a couple of weeks ago,
and I was remembering, you know, just what any impactful
thing it was in my life?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, real quickly, did you Matrip relate to the United
States soon thereafter or watch that story?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, I ended up you know, so I independence, the
independence of Zimbabwe happened in nineteen eighty and I actually
just after independence, I trained for radio Yeah, okay, I
trained for as a journalist and for Radio the Person,
and then I ended up in Romania, actually studying in
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Romania after that because there was a good relationship between
the liberation people and the Eastern Bloc. I ended up
studying in Romania. I lived in Romania for three years
under Nikolai Shauchsku when it was still a communist country. Yeah, yeah,
and yeah. Then from there I come to the United
States for graduate school.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, there's all kinds of interesting parts of your story,
and the thing I want to emphasize on the other
side of the break is that we will have some
time to talk about your book that you just recently wrote,
But I also want to talk about your involvement in
Zimbabwe's policies and politics. You actually tried to run for
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the presidency of Zimbabwe a couple few years ago, and
what made you want to do that. But even one
question I really want to get to later in the show, Noah,
is this whole thing that's happening in South Africa right
now that I know has bled over into Zimbabwe as well,
and that is the persecution of white farmers by people
trying to reclaim land that they feel like is their own.
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And we saw with President Trump that a good number
of those white farmers in South Africa matriculated to the
United States recently because of the threat of losing their lives.
I love your perspective on that as well. But just
real quickly, the name of your book that we're going
to talk about today, what is.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's Redeeming Sunda Faith and Innovation in the Age of AI.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So you wrote this book to try to help Christians
and church world people understand that maybe AI isn't the
anti Christ and we can use it for good is
that the reason you wrote it.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yes, that's part of the reason. And we'll go into
more than motivation behind that a little if having to
do with my mission of the work actually in Charlotte,
and I want.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
To talk about that as well, because you've been a
part of caring for kids, especially in vulnerable neighborhoods, since
you have been here and since I have known you
throughout all of these years. I want to share with
our listeners too a great experience that you and I
had with Will I am of the Black Eyed Peace
that I'll never forget. I love the story. I share
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it all the time with different people and they laugh
at it because it's such a powerful message as well
that he gave to those kids that day that I
was there, and you invited me to be a part
of that. Noah Manyika is my guest. He has a
book that he has just released. It is entitled Redeeming
Redeeming Sundar. Okay, and we'll talk about the value of
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AI for Christians. I'm David Chadwick. Will be right back.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When life has got you going strong, then all of
a sudden things are wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We tend to stumble day to day. I wonder when
will be okay.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
There are times when we have to just push through hoop.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And see the light ahead of you.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Him. When we reach the finish hide.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
We will stand up being probably.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You pick me up.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's my friend Parker Robinson, who leads worship at the
church I passor Moments of Hope Church, A gifted, gifted
young man. Thank you Parker for that message today you
Hi everyone. I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome back to the show.
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My guest today is a longtime friend named Noah Manyika.
He originates from Zimbabwe. You'll see that a bit in
his accent, but speak such perfect English in every possible way.
Has also recently released a book entitled Redeeming Soundarn. We'll
talk about that. It's helping the church and Christians claim
AI as something good and not to be feared. Noah,
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real quickly before we jump into the book. Yes, your
heart and passion especially for children and your love for
them and your involvement with them in this community has
been for decades. Talk about your love there for kids
and for especially vulnerable children.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, I was a vulnerable kid once and there are
people who cared. In fact, before the people cared, God cared,
and they came in response to a call to actually
help these kids in Rhodesia at that time. And I
couldn't be sitting here talking to you, David. I couldn't
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have done the things that I've done in my life
if some people had not heeded the call and come
came with a message to Rhodesia that it didn't matter
what kind of circumstances you were born into, you could
be everything that God created you to be. And I
carried that message when I came to the United States
as a missionary in nineteen ninety four with my family.
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That was the message that we were bringing because I,
you know, I just felt like I ORed God. I
ought people a great debt because I had accomplished things
which were farmer, much beyond the circumstances into which I
was born. So it's been like that, and you know,
that's my passion. And we studied Brookston School. When Vision
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Brookston School, which is in his twenty fifty year, by
the way.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's unbelievable, and it reaches vulnerable inner city kids who
wouldn't have the chance to go to school otherwise, but
giving them a sound academic basis, and many of them
gone on to college and postgraduate degrees.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Absolutely, and you know, just you know, understanding that our responsibility,
I think, as believe us is not just to preach
an abstract gospel, but to actually build rungs that people
can use to climb out of, you know, whatever situation
that I in. And you know it's an honor to
be associated with that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, I know you had a ministry here in town
dealing with vulnerable kids, and one day you were able
to secure when the Black Eyed Peas were playing at
the Charlotte Coliseum, Will I Am, their lead singer, to
come and speak to those kids. And on a whim
you called me and said, would you like to interview them?
Because that's what I do on a weekly basis on
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this show at least. And so I had the privilege
of sitting down with Will I Am before hundreds of
inner city kids. And by the way, how did you
get him?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's just God. You know, I had started something that
we're calling the One Tribe movement, and we were partnering
with including you, your church, and other leaders in the community,
to really send this message to these young people that
you know, where United we might be different. You know,
the people who are leading in all these United initiatives
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are united in building ranks for them. So I'd saided
this thing called One Tribe and then his manager found
out because they had also written a song called One Tribe. Okay,
so that's how you know coming to Charlotte and they
found out about this One Tribe thing. And at that time,
there was so much going on at next US as
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you remember ify nexs, Yes, Evander Holyfield at Patnut with us,
and Naska Team at Putnut with us, and there's just
so much interesting things going on, and they wanted to
come and see what is this one Try thing. So
that's how we connected. It was just a god story.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well so their manager contacted you. Next thing we know,
Will I Am and David Chadwick and La Manique are
up front front of these hundreds of Well I know
that my dad taught me many years ago that peers
are like elevators. They'll either take you up or they'll
take you down. And you know as well as I do,
many of these kids get involved with gangs and wrong
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peers and that's what's causing a lot of their problems.
So I asked, will I am, I said, I said,
mister I am.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm not sure if that's what I said. But anyway,
if you could.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Speak to these children about the danger of peers and
them having bad friends who are bringing them down, what
would you say to them? Remember his answer?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, Yeah, he said, you don't get rid of them,
find new friends.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Find new friends. He said, find new friends. There's so
matter of fact and to the point. And he's absolute,
lutely right and saying that to those kids.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Absolutely, you know, and you may invest a lot in
the wrong relationships and it can make it difficult for
you to move on from a relationship that is detrimental
to you. But you've got to have the courage to
do what's right for you. And it's not easy because
a lot of times these friendships that are not necessarily
good for you define your community. So he takes courage,
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you know. And I think that's why he was that blunt,
because you know, sometimes you just need to shock people
with that kind of answer. Well, I think he came
out of heard himself. He did, and he knew, he
knew what needed to be said. He couldn't have done
what he has accomplished without him finding your friends, and
his mom was really you know, you remember the story
that he told about his mom getting him to go
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to a school which was in a completely different neighborhood
changed his.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Life, Like Brookstone School or what it's doing even now
with kids. Just by the way, how many kids are
there Brookstone School?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
My goodness, I have not have lost count. But a
couple you hire here, a couple.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Of Yeah, it's a marvelous ministry. Noah Mannika is my
guest today. He is a local min Hill slash And Noah,
you've written a recent book and let's talk about that today,
Redeeming Sundar. What is soon Dar?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's just a play on a name. Uh So there
was an evangelist, by the way, an Indian evangelist they
called the evangelist with a bleeding feet called Sunda, who
did a lot in India and the Himalayas and so
and then the head of Google happens to be called
Sunda pitch Eye. So there was just a play on names.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's like, you know, we look at the one as
somebody who is a kingdom activist, the missionary, and then
we look at the other who is the head of
a technology company who has just become a billionaire by
the way, and we're like, oh, he's the enemy of faith.
And I think that's where the problem is a lot
of times, David, that we look at some of these
things as being anti faith, and I really believe it
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originates from something that is old, is mankind. Mankind has
always had a problem with reconciling faith with the speed.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Of life and science, especially science as well, which causes
the speed or it occurs because of advances in health
and technology and all these things.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Exactly, So we are so content, I think. But you know,
the funny thing is, and Jesus encountered that, you know,
because when you know, he came the Phariseees. When it
comes to came to life issues, the Phariseees had a
problem with him actually dealing with things that pertain to life,
and you know, and they didn't quite understand that faith
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and doing life are not oil and water. And in
the times in which we live, that's also the problem
with us. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, you know, people who had the Internet suddenly cast
upon them back about twenty years ago, there was the
same kind of gulp, what does this mean, is it
going to control our lives? And it's like fire if
you imagine with the first time some person discovered fire.
They can either burn you up or warm your body
and cook your food. I mean, it really is your choice.
We've only got a couple of minutes in this segment.
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We'll do it in the next segment in more detail.
But what are the benefits of AI?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, you know what, actually, AI is not new as
we think. It has been brought into our lives in
a dramatic way because of chat, GPT and all these
things that have just come up. But you know, you
know your phone, it studies you, it's it's an intelligent
tool algorithmslith Yeah, we've just come to a tipping point
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in the way that AI is used on an everyday basis.
But it's just that, you know, it's a you know,
technology relating with you, understanding who you are and making
the recommendations and so on for you to optimize your life. Now,
I don't want to speak glowingly only about AI, and
we'll get into that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, let's talk about that because some people think it
actually has some prophecy insights into what the Antichrist could
use when he steps on the stage as the one
World Government, the one World economy.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Et cetera.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
On the other hand, I know my own son who
has started a business, tells me he's now using chat
GPT regularly to communicate with people, to give letters that
the chat guy writes for him. They didn't have to
spend hours writing and it really has economized his time exactly.
So that's what you're saying as well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Exactly exactly. And we'll talk about tools. You know, one
of the amazing scriptures and we'll get into that with
you know, the Children of Israel. I think it's first time,
chapter thirty. They had no blacksmith in Israel. Yeah, and
they depended on the Philistines to shop in even the plush.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When they got the iron, then they got the power,
which maybe what we need to talk about. In just
a second, I'm David Chadwick. We will be right back.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Five that all souls, because we know God is it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We only have twenty four hours that were guaranteed. So
enjoyed this day to the full, because this is the
day that the Lord has made.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Everyone, I'm David Chadwick, and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT Welcome back to the show
if you'd like to hear this program in its entirety
with my dear friend Noah Manyika local Charlotte Tan been
involved in ministry here for numbers of years from Zimbabwe
originally just has a wonderful insight into life and caring
for people. But today's show about AI and how it
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can be used. Go to WBT dot com, scroll down
to the weekend shows, look for the David Chadwick Show
and you can listen from beginning to end with just
a few commercial breaks. Well, Noah, welcome back to this
show and your book again, Redeeming Sundar is how to
understand AI from a Christian and church perspective that it
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isn't necessarily the anti christ. Talk to us today about
the advantages AI can bring to Christians and to the
church community.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, so, David, I don't want to spend too much
time on my soapbox. Which is one of the things
that happened to me when I got to Charlotte was
I really got irritated with the church's lack of focus
on the things that affected the people that it was
serving in its actual community. So, for instance, if anyone
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were to ask you about Charlotte. What is one thing
about Charlotte that stands out among all the cities. Charlotte
is a hyper gentrifying city. Hypergentifying city since I got here, David,
of almost twenty affordable housing neighborhoods have disappeared, right because
of high per gentrification.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
May I just take a quick second and explain gentrification
to anyone who might not understand it. It is areas
of poverty where people have lived have been bought up
by richer developers. Yes, get those people out, develop that
area into something very valuable, But then those people are lost.
They're scattered throughout the city and they're still poor, right,
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and we don't know exactly where they are exact and
it just causes the city to be more complicated, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And so what has this got to do with the
subject you're talking about today? I think it has a
lot to do with it. It demonstrates sometimes the attitude
of the faith community that you know, we don't have
to pay attention to that, but you and I know
that this redefines community and it redefines the way you
do missions and ministry. Right. So now let's fast forward
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to AI whenever fear is the first thing that confronts
a child of God. There is a problem, There really
is a problem. But we know that AI and technology
is redefining community, It's redefining how people leave, how people interact.
How can we not be at the forefront of leading
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that and even defining some of the guardrails against you
know what, the abuse of such technologies, you know. So
that's the you know, for me, that's a very very
important thing. Now, a friend of mine and we partnered
and we created actually a company called Kitchen Corporlot, which
is a male management platform. One of the reasons why
we did that is people struggle. So for instance, one
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of the uh, the the the causes of death, the
top causes of death globally is diet. You know how
people eat? Now, how do you manage all that? How
do you manage what you eat with all the allergies,
with all these things that people have to take into
account in just deciding, for instance, if you're someone who
is caring for somebody, how do you make those decisions,
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intelligent decisions to actually care for your loved ones. So
we created this thing and we're leveraging AI and now
we want to partner with the health sector to actually
make sure that people comply with the diet recommendations of
their of their and we're using AI.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Their health physicians exactly, their caregivers that they'll make sure
that they eat well so that their body can give
it chance the best chance of healing.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Exactly how do you manage all those things because there's
so many you were talking earlier about having twelve grand kids.
I am sure the dietary preferences of those of your
family alone. If Marilyn was actually doing all the cooking
for everybody, it would drive it completely bisark, right, So
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how do you make sure that people can make intelligent
decisions for their health? And so sometimes you have to
leverage technology you do and you give the example of
your son who is in business now and doing things
more efficiently. So now the things that he doesn't have
to do, he doesn't have to invest in hiring people
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and you know, wasting more money to actually deliver the
service that his company is supposed to deliver. So these
are some of the things about AI that we need
to understand can actually be an advantage.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So it's a quick delivery system to people in multiple
different areas to give them information that they can have
in order to magnify whatever it might be is their
need exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And now you think about disili in terms of the
church and the world. Earlier on we're talking about how
the church. You know, sometimes people faith at a very
difficult time matching the faith with the speed of life.
Right what has ended up happening is that the church
has ended up taking a life of its own and
the world are taking a life of its own. Now
the world is much more efficient in the decision making
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that it does because of leveraging technology. The faith community
is not. That puts us at a very big disadvantage it.
You know, if we are actually going to impact lives
and so on, we have to be efficient. Now, I
know efficiency is actually a word that can actually even
become scary, but we really have to be economic and
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efficient in the way that we make decisions and we
implemented things that we want to implement for the good
of people.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I know. One of the concerns that people are beginning
to raise with AI and church world is pastors who
can basically ask groc or whomever out there in the
AI world to quite discernments and can glean all the information.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I know.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
One of the concerns amout a missions is that the
kids in college or high school or middle school can
ask ROC to write their papers for them, and it
could cause all kinds of questions regarding plagiarism. And did
you really do the work and did you really learn
the information or did you get AI to do all
the work for you. I know those are some of
the concerns out there as well. And all I can
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speak for as a preacher is you just have to
have the integrity to do the work. Maybe use AI
to get the information to you, but to make sure
you actually do the work.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Absolutely so, David, a person who is inclined to do
that as a man of God would be doing something else,
which is not quite right anyway, even without AI. That's
what I believe. If you're not driven by true love
for the people that you serve, and you're really not
interested in hearing God, and you're really not interested in
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actually being the oracle of God, but instead you want
the approval of people, you're going to abuse AI. But
you know, the abuse of technology or the abuse of
the opportunity to be influential has always been there, so
I mean can't. We can't or blame all of that
on technology. However, in fact, so some of the concerns
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I think that have been raised to me, I think
concern must be raised by people who are involved. If
you're not involved and it just raise concerns, then you
might just as well be a phariasee.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And the truth of the matter is always finding faults,
I always find always criticized, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And you know what, David, one of the things that
one of the motivations for writing this book is to
encourage people like you and I. So in your church,
there are AI engineers in your church.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
They are right, No, And interestingly, the couple I know
of are very committed followers of Jesus and they're going
there is a place for this in the world and
in the church as well.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Exactly, exactly, And we don't pay enough attention to some
of these people so that we can understand what is
happening in that world. It's in world that we need
to be able to influence. And if we don't know
what's going on, then winter and people can.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Use it for their personal Bible studies. For example, I
know if they get to a verse, they don't really understand.
They can actually go to AI and say, please explain
for me, you know, one Peter four eighteen, and it'll
write out a real interesting paragraph regarding the insights that
academicians and scholars have regarding that particular verse, which could
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be helpful.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Absolutely, And you know you and I am sure you
know our generation maybe slightly younger than you, but David,
generally a generation swears by Encyclopedia Britannica.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Right, yeah, that's what we got. And actually people would
actually go door to door itself Encyclopedia PTA.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
It was written by people with biases. That's just a fact. Yeah.
Do I trust it more? I think I do, just
because of my generation, you know, the way that people
sifted through knowledge and stuff like that. There were some
safeguds and so on, but generally speaking, the foundation of
everything that we call knowledge, particularly when it is passed
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on by men his biases.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well, that begs the question who's feeding the information to
exactly who's then coagulating it all to give it back
to you? And I guess there are some ways to
ask that question. Where is the genesis of this particular
AI instrument I'm trying to use?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, they're called large language models, and they learn. And
the tragedy is that we have not been there to
feed the system so they can learn with an ethical
bias that we want them to have.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Okay, we'll plug your book one more time. The name
of it and how can people get it?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Redeeming Sunda, Faith and Innovation in the Age of AI,
and it's found on Amazon and Books a Million and
all these platforms.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, the truth is it's here and it's not going
to go away. So we've got to figure out how
to use it for God's glory. Realizing that every instrument,
like I've used the illustration of fire, can be used
to burn people or burn up a building, but also
used to warm us and to cook our meat and
cook our food. So we just got to learn how
to use it and make it a part of our
lives in a positive way for God's glory. Let's continue
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this conversation on the other side of the break. I'm
David Chadwick, will be right back.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Us. USA.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
We are many, yet we are one.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
We are sad and yet bound.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
And his above, and together we are all His hands
and His feet, bringing percy and peace to this boom.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Are your many.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I know, Wan, I keep asking myself what would happened
if every Christian in the world was united together in love.
I just think this world would receive power from all
Hi and be a different place.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
In which to live.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome back to the show
and my guest Noah Manyika, an author, a pastor. I've
been involved in this community for decades with a great
heart for the poor, great heart for children. Noah, again,
the name of your book.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Is Redeeming Sunda, Faith and Innovation in the Age of AI.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
That's what we've been talking about in the show mostly
is how can AI be used in a positive way?
And Noah, we talked about information that can be gleaned
from AI. And I was talking off Ara with you
and Ed Billick, my producer and friend, that I recently
had a Bible verse. I was going, what exactly does
that mean? And I went to AI and he gave
me an interpretation of that verse and I said, I
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don't think that's right. I don't think that's accurate. And
I did some more research and found out it wasn't accurate.
If people get something from AI and they feel like
it's not accurate, how can they test it?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, so that's a big challenge. And again it goes
back to what with saying earlier on the danger of
being left behind as people of God in terms of
expertise puts a set an advantage in terms of checking
on things that are wrong with AI. And I think
this is where but you know what, here is the opportunity, David.
And I like the example that you gave. It illustrated
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that you are the expert. You are the one that
God has called and given the responsibility to share the word.
It's not AI that has been called. And I think
that you know, accepting that responsibility in using any technology
is one of the most ethical things that people can do,
you know, you and for me, I am forced to
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really deepen my knowledge about whatever area I'm working in
in order for me to check AI and also in
order for me to utilize it. So the you know,
we can't excuse ourselves from the responsibility of knowing, knowing God,
knowing the word of God ourselves and also you know,
listening to that voice in us that promcess to say something.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Is wrong here yeah, John ten twenty seven. My sheep
hear my voice, jeezuz exactly. And I do think the
Holy Spirit shows us the truth. He said I'll lead
you to all truth in John sixteen exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Evan, you had this situation, David, where you know, a
new Bible version, for instance, comes out and you read
it and you're like, Ah, something I'm not sure about.
I'm not sure about that. It's the same process. It's
really the same process.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, you know, Noah. I want to make this comment
to the because a lot of people today are looking
at the world and they're sensing that maybe we're closer
to the end than we realize. I mean, I don't
know when that could be, and I don't want to
even dare date an hour or day, but I would
say that things are crazy, and some people think AI
could be what the Antichrist will use when he does
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step on the world, saying to allow there to be
a one world government, a one world economy. I mean,
I don't know, but certainly the technology suggest that that
will be what he can use in order to demand
people's following of him and control their lives.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, he will use whatever is available at that time.
I mean, you know, I think sometimes people look at
the Antichrist and they think, well, he is full crazy
and he will use the tools that are there.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
He'll do whatever he can.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, exactly. So I can give you an example. One
of the most destructive tools for families and and so on,
it can also be one of the most useful television. Right,
How have we used television over these al radio? You know,
how have we used it over the years? You know,
so some of these things and now we're looking at
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kids being raised by apps and phones and so on.
That's because of the irresponsibility of parents. It's not the
it's not the tool, it's what we So, yeah, the
Antichrist will use whatever is available. You know, we the hey,
the the host have bolted demand.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He's out.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
You know, we kind of put it back.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Well, for me, it just simply suggests that as we
see the world moving, as it's moving in the technological advancements,
we begin to get insights into scripture that we didn't
have even ten years ago. And I think this whole
transhumanism issue that's going on right now, that we can
somehow with AI technology begin to replace our brain. All
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of that's rooted in the human fear to die exactly.
And it's the promise that technology can't give us that
will live forever. I think we'll discover that more and more.
But I think it's the promise to a very intellectual,
secularized society that has moved further and further away from
God that a promise can be made that you won't
ever have to die. And the truth is you will.
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That's why you need forgiveness of your sins a Lord
and savior who promises you the gift of eternal life, Jesus.
The truth is for those of us who love him,
we will never die. But we don't have to worry
about technology giving up that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I answered exactly. Thirty second quick story. I went to Phoenix.
I got to Phoenix, I ordered a taxi UH and Uber.
I was late for a meeting and the only option
that was there was a driverless way more.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Or you took one.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I was terrified, David. When it got there, I got
in the car and I got where I was going safely,
and then I was thinking about it. Afterwards. I was well,
this car has eyes on the back of its head,
which my driver wouldn't have. It A sense us everywhere
and so on. So uh, it's a story for another day.
But you can imagine, you know, my shock getting into
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this thing and it taking me away on It took
a lot of my say faith, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well I'm hearing more and more that's the way of
the future, exactly, and that is going to be a
lot of blessings because we'll get where we want to
go and it is really really safe. The problem that
most people are saying now, it's going to put a
lot of drivers out of way exactly, and that's going
to have serious implications for the car. I mean exactly,
every good there's a potential bad and you just have
to look at that and no real quickly. I mentioned
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at the beginning of the program, you come from Zimbabwe,
which had a real issue with blacks trying to reclaim
farmland from white It's in South Africa. We had recently
a group of South African farmers who migrated to America.
People thought Trump pulled that out of his hat to
show an immigration problem. I just want you to be
able to say that is a real problem in the
world right now.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Well, there's just a problem in the world of having
the right social contract anyway. I mean, you know, it's
we're living at the time. And I really believe that
this is where the opportunity for people of faith is
encouraging communities to develop the right social contract that doesn't
actually postpone this resolution of certain problems too later, because
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you know, there's an opportune time for problems like that
to be resolved. And for South Africa, just like Zimbabwe,
these problems should have been resolved at the point of independence.
With some of these difficult conversations can be had because
once you go past that emotional moment, then all kinds
of things start coming up, you know, and all kinds
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of pressures coming up. South Africa has a lot of problems,
and you know, that's one of them.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And some say Cape Town and Johannesburger two of the
most dangerous cities.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
In the world exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
So yeah, well this is one of them. And blacks
feel like white stole the farms back when you know,
one hundred too hundred years ago. Now they need to
get them back again. But then they're taking away people's
livelihoods and even murdering their families, which is absolutely wrong.
So there's much in this world we need to address
because the world is complicated and it needs a savior.
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Absolutely no, would you take fifteen seconds and pray for
our people right now?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Father God, we thank you, and I thank you for
my good friend David and everything that he's doing, and
for the production team and the word that's going out.
We are not afraid. Thank you God for calling us
and for being us in everything that we do. We
pray all of this in the mighty name of Jesus
who came and died for you, that you may have
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life and life forevermore in it.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
No, Mannika, the book is redeeming. Sundar. I'm David Chadwick.
I tell you all the same thing every week. Love God,
love your neighbor. If you do those two things, you
have a lifetime's worth of work to do. Talk with
you all next week.
U s.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hi everyone. I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome to the show. In
case you don't know, this is a faith and values
program that tries to intersect faith and values with what's
going on locally and globally. It's been a pleasure doing
this show now for well over twenty five years. Thank
you WBT for this opportunity, and thank you Perry's Fine
(01:49):
Jewelry for your sponsorship of this show. Without you, I
could not do this on a weekly basis. And I'm
so grateful for your sponsorship. You're just great. People love you.
Thank you so much. Well, today is a great day
and I've been looking forward to it for a while.
My guest is Noah Manyika. Noah's name obviously suggests he
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is from another place that places zimbob Wa no Mint Hill,
David oh mintil Okay Mint Hill through zimbob Way, former
Rhodesia if people love their African history. But Noah and
I go way back in a lot of different ways
to share ministry together. He's just a wonderful, kind, good
(02:32):
human being. Noah real quickly give a shout out to
phyllis your beloved for how many years?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
These is a thirty eight Mr thirty eight years?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Good?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, good? And she still looks twenty one.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And the love of your life. You have how many children?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
We have three kids. They wouldn't like me to call
them kids anymore now with two daughters, two beautiful daughters,
and the son Kennedy's the youngest. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, well, I know that you're very proud of them,
as you should be. And I just learned this summer
just to tell everybody that I've got two more grandkids
on the way. So Marilyn and I love to tell
the story about not being able to have children and
God did a miracle and healed her of some problems,
and now we have three children and now twelve grandchildren,
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and we're just very awed by the grace of God.
And I know that you believe in the grace of God.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Knows absolutely absolutely, you know I am a living testimony
of the hand of God. You know, I consider myself
a miracle. Really. When I was born, my mom wasn't
supposed to have any more children after three kids, so
I came in after me. They say no more. So
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I'm a miracle.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But there's there's so many stories of healing in my
own family and so on my own father, you know.
And these brothers were epileptic from birth. And the encounter
with Jesus actually was the result of somebody arriving at
my grandfather's place and saying, I know you have a problem.
You've tried everything. I have something to offer you Jesus.
And they got delivered and healed and that problem which
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had plagued the family for decades disappeared completely.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Wow. How did you come to faith in the Lord?
Was that in Zimbabwe?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was in Zimbabwe in nineteen seventy seven, at the
height by the way of the Rhodesion War. I was
a student and most of my friends and I we
were at that point very vulnerable. We were actually thinking
about going to join the liberation struggle. That's when I
went to a Scripture Union camp. Scripture Union is kind
of like Young Life and they minister a lot to schools,
(04:45):
high schools. And I was invited to go to a
camp for the Scripture Union. I must confess I agreed
because there was a girl who was going there who
was interested.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
God can use anything for his purposes.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And I met Jesus, so I will never forget that.
Nineteen seventy seven, I was reminiscing about that with one guy,
who was it that came in nineteen seventy seven who
came to visit me in Charlotte a couple of weeks ago,
and I was remembering, you know, just what any impactful
thing it was in my life?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, real quickly, did you Matrip relate to the United
States soon thereafter or watch that story?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, I ended up you know, so I independence, the
independence of Zimbabwe happened in nineteen eighty and I actually
just after independence, I trained for radio Yeah, okay, I
trained for as a journalist and for Radio the Person,
and then I ended up in Romania, actually studying in
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Romania after that because there was a good relationship between
the liberation people and the Eastern Bloc. I ended up
studying in Romania. I lived in Romania for three years
under Nikolai Shauchsku when it was still a communist country. Yeah, yeah,
and yeah. Then from there I come to the United
States for graduate school.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, there's all kinds of interesting parts of your story,
and the thing I want to emphasize on the other
side of the break is that we will have some
time to talk about your book that you just recently wrote,
But I also want to talk about your involvement in
Zimbabwe's policies and politics. You actually tried to run for
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the presidency of Zimbabwe a couple few years ago, and
what made you want to do that. But even one
question I really want to get to later in the show, Noah,
is this whole thing that's happening in South Africa right
now that I know has bled over into Zimbabwe as well,
and that is the persecution of white farmers by people
trying to reclaim land that they feel like is their own.
(06:48):
And we saw with President Trump that a good number
of those white farmers in South Africa matriculated to the
United States recently because of the threat of losing their lives.
I love your perspective on that as well. But just
real quickly, the name of your book that we're going
to talk about today, what is.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's Redeeming Sunda Faith and Innovation in the Age of AI.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So you wrote this book to try to help Christians
and church world people understand that maybe AI isn't the
anti Christ and we can use it for good is
that the reason you wrote it.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yes, that's part of the reason. And we'll go into
more than motivation behind that a little if having to
do with my mission of the work actually in Charlotte,
and I want.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
To talk about that as well, because you've been a
part of caring for kids, especially in vulnerable neighborhoods, since
you have been here and since I have known you
throughout all of these years. I want to share with
our listeners too a great experience that you and I
had with Will I am of the Black Eyed Peace
that I'll never forget. I love the story. I share
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it all the time with different people and they laugh
at it because it's such a powerful message as well
that he gave to those kids that day that I
was there, and you invited me to be a part
of that. Noah Manyika is my guest. He has a
book that he has just released. It is entitled Redeeming
Redeeming Sundar. Okay, and we'll talk about the value of
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AI for Christians. I'm David Chadwick. Will be right back.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When life has got you going strong, then all of
a sudden things are wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We tend to stumble day to day. I wonder when
will be okay.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
There are times when we have to just push through hoop.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And see the light ahead of you.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Him. When we reach the finish hide.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
We will stand up being probably.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You pick me up.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's my friend Parker Robinson, who leads worship at the
church I passor Moments of Hope Church, A gifted, gifted
young man. Thank you Parker for that message today you
Hi everyone. I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome back to the show.
(10:20):
My guest today is a longtime friend named Noah Manyika.
He originates from Zimbabwe. You'll see that a bit in
his accent, but speak such perfect English in every possible way.
Has also recently released a book entitled Redeeming Soundarn. We'll
talk about that. It's helping the church and Christians claim
AI as something good and not to be feared. Noah,
(10:41):
real quickly before we jump into the book. Yes, your
heart and passion especially for children and your love for
them and your involvement with them in this community has
been for decades. Talk about your love there for kids
and for especially vulnerable children.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, I was a vulnerable kid once and there are
people who cared. In fact, before the people cared, God cared,
and they came in response to a call to actually
help these kids in Rhodesia at that time. And I
couldn't be sitting here talking to you, David. I couldn't
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have done the things that I've done in my life
if some people had not heeded the call and come
came with a message to Rhodesia that it didn't matter
what kind of circumstances you were born into, you could
be everything that God created you to be. And I
carried that message when I came to the United States
as a missionary in nineteen ninety four with my family.
(11:40):
That was the message that we were bringing because I,
you know, I just felt like I ORed God. I
ought people a great debt because I had accomplished things
which were farmer, much beyond the circumstances into which I
was born. So it's been like that, and you know,
that's my passion. And we studied Brookston School. When Vision
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Brookston School, which is in his twenty fifty year, by
the way.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
That's unbelievable, and it reaches vulnerable inner city kids who
wouldn't have the chance to go to school otherwise, but
giving them a sound academic basis, and many of them
gone on to college and postgraduate degrees.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Absolutely, and you know, just you know, understanding that our responsibility,
I think, as believe us is not just to preach
an abstract gospel, but to actually build rungs that people
can use to climb out of, you know, whatever situation
that I in. And you know it's an honor to
be associated with that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, I know you had a ministry here in town
dealing with vulnerable kids, and one day you were able
to secure when the Black Eyed Peas were playing at
the Charlotte Coliseum, Will I Am, their lead singer, to
come and speak to those kids. And on a whim
you called me and said, would you like to interview them?
Because that's what I do on a weekly basis on
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this show at least. And so I had the privilege
of sitting down with Will I Am before hundreds of
inner city kids. And by the way, how did you
get him?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's just God. You know, I had started something that
we're calling the One Tribe movement, and we were partnering
with including you, your church, and other leaders in the community,
to really send this message to these young people that
you know, where United we might be different. You know,
the people who are leading in all these United initiatives
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are united in building ranks for them. So I'd saided
this thing called One Tribe and then his manager found
out because they had also written a song called One Tribe. Okay,
so that's how you know coming to Charlotte and they
found out about this One Tribe thing. And at that time,
there was so much going on at next US as
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you remember ify nexs, Yes, Evander Holyfield at Patnut with us,
and Naska Team at Putnut with us, and there's just
so much interesting things going on, and they wanted to
come and see what is this one Try thing. So
that's how we connected. It was just a god story.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well so their manager contacted you. Next thing we know,
Will I Am and David Chadwick and La Manique are
up front front of these hundreds of Well I know
that my dad taught me many years ago that peers
are like elevators. They'll either take you up or they'll
take you down. And you know as well as I do,
many of these kids get involved with gangs and wrong
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peers and that's what's causing a lot of their problems.
So I asked, will I am, I said, I said,
mister I am.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm not sure if that's what I said. But anyway,
if you could.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Speak to these children about the danger of peers and
them having bad friends who are bringing them down, what
would you say to them? Remember his answer?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, Yeah, he said, you don't get rid of them,
find new friends.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Find new friends. He said, find new friends. There's so
matter of fact and to the point. And he's absolute,
lutely right and saying that to those kids.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Absolutely, you know, and you may invest a lot in
the wrong relationships and it can make it difficult for
you to move on from a relationship that is detrimental
to you. But you've got to have the courage to
do what's right for you. And it's not easy because
a lot of times these friendships that are not necessarily
good for you define your community. So he takes courage,
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you know. And I think that's why he was that blunt,
because you know, sometimes you just need to shock people
with that kind of answer. Well, I think he came
out of heard himself. He did, and he knew, he
knew what needed to be said. He couldn't have done
what he has accomplished without him finding your friends, and
his mom was really you know, you remember the story
that he told about his mom getting him to go
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to a school which was in a completely different neighborhood
changed his.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Life, Like Brookstone School or what it's doing even now
with kids. Just by the way, how many kids are
there Brookstone School?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
My goodness, I have not have lost count. But a
couple you hire here, a couple.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Of Yeah, it's a marvelous ministry. Noah Mannika is my
guest today. He is a local min Hill slash And Noah,
you've written a recent book and let's talk about that today,
Redeeming Sundar. What is soon Dar?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's just a play on a name. Uh So there
was an evangelist, by the way, an Indian evangelist they
called the evangelist with a bleeding feet called Sunda, who
did a lot in India and the Himalayas and so
and then the head of Google happens to be called
Sunda pitch Eye. So there was just a play on names.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's like, you know, we look at the one as
somebody who is a kingdom activist, the missionary, and then
we look at the other who is the head of
a technology company who has just become a billionaire by
the way, and we're like, oh, he's the enemy of faith.
And I think that's where the problem is a lot
of times, David, that we look at some of these
things as being anti faith, and I really believe it
(16:57):
originates from something that is old, is mankind. Mankind has
always had a problem with reconciling faith with the speed.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Of life and science, especially science as well, which causes
the speed or it occurs because of advances in health
and technology and all these things.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Exactly, So we are so content, I think. But you know,
the funny thing is, and Jesus encountered that, you know,
because when you know, he came the Phariseees. When it
comes to came to life issues, the Phariseees had a
problem with him actually dealing with things that pertain to life,
and you know, and they didn't quite understand that faith
(17:38):
and doing life are not oil and water. And in
the times in which we live, that's also the problem
with us. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Well, you know, people who had the Internet suddenly cast
upon them back about twenty years ago, there was the
same kind of gulp, what does this mean, is it
going to control our lives? And it's like fire if
you imagine with the first time some person discovered fire.
They can either burn you up or warm your body
and cook your food. I mean, it really is your choice.
We've only got a couple of minutes in this segment.
(18:05):
We'll do it in the next segment in more detail.
But what are the benefits of AI?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, you know what, actually, AI is not new as
we think. It has been brought into our lives in
a dramatic way because of chat, GPT and all these
things that have just come up. But you know, you
know your phone, it studies you, it's it's an intelligent
tool algorithmslith Yeah, we've just come to a tipping point
(18:32):
in the way that AI is used on an everyday basis.
But it's just that, you know, it's a you know,
technology relating with you, understanding who you are and making
the recommendations and so on for you to optimize your life. Now,
I don't want to speak glowingly only about AI, and
we'll get into that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, let's talk about that because some people think it
actually has some prophecy insights into what the Antichrist could
use when he steps on the stage as the one
World Government, the one World economy.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Et cetera.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
On the other hand, I know my own son who
has started a business, tells me he's now using chat
GPT regularly to communicate with people, to give letters that
the chat guy writes for him. They didn't have to
spend hours writing and it really has economized his time exactly.
So that's what you're saying as well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Exactly exactly. And we'll talk about tools. You know, one
of the amazing scriptures and we'll get into that with
you know, the Children of Israel. I think it's first time,
chapter thirty. They had no blacksmith in Israel. Yeah, and
they depended on the Philistines to shop in even the plush.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When they got the iron, then they got the power,
which maybe what we need to talk about. In just
a second, I'm David Chadwick. We will be right back.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Five that all souls, because we know God is it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We only have twenty four hours that were guaranteed. So
enjoyed this day to the full, because this is the
day that the Lord has made.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Everyone, I'm David Chadwick, and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT Welcome back to the show
if you'd like to hear this program in its entirety
with my dear friend Noah Manyika local Charlotte Tan been
involved in ministry here for numbers of years from Zimbabwe
originally just has a wonderful insight into life and caring
for people. But today's show about AI and how it
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can be used. Go to WBT dot com, scroll down
to the weekend shows, look for the David Chadwick Show
and you can listen from beginning to end with just
a few commercial breaks. Well, Noah, welcome back to this
show and your book again, Redeeming Sundar is how to
understand AI from a Christian and church perspective that it
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isn't necessarily the anti christ. Talk to us today about
the advantages AI can bring to Christians and to the
church community.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, so, David, I don't want to spend too much
time on my soapbox. Which is one of the things
that happened to me when I got to Charlotte was
I really got irritated with the church's lack of focus
on the things that affected the people that it was
serving in its actual community. So, for instance, if anyone
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were to ask you about Charlotte. What is one thing
about Charlotte that stands out among all the cities. Charlotte
is a hyper gentrifying city. Hypergentifying city since I got here, David,
of almost twenty affordable housing neighborhoods have disappeared, right because
of high per gentrification.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
May I just take a quick second and explain gentrification
to anyone who might not understand it. It is areas
of poverty where people have lived have been bought up
by richer developers. Yes, get those people out, develop that
area into something very valuable, But then those people are lost.
They're scattered throughout the city and they're still poor, right,
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and we don't know exactly where they are exact and
it just causes the city to be more complicated, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And so what has this got to do with the
subject you're talking about today? I think it has a
lot to do with it. It demonstrates sometimes the attitude
of the faith community that you know, we don't have
to pay attention to that, but you and I know
that this redefines community and it redefines the way you
do missions and ministry. Right. So now let's fast forward
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to AI whenever fear is the first thing that confronts
a child of God. There is a problem, There really
is a problem. But we know that AI and technology
is redefining community, It's redefining how people leave, how people interact.
How can we not be at the forefront of leading
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that and even defining some of the guardrails against you
know what, the abuse of such technologies, you know. So
that's the you know, for me, that's a very very
important thing. Now, a friend of mine and we partnered
and we created actually a company called Kitchen Corporlot, which
is a male management platform. One of the reasons why
we did that is people struggle. So for instance, one
(24:39):
of the uh, the the the causes of death, the
top causes of death globally is diet. You know how
people eat? Now, how do you manage all that? How
do you manage what you eat with all the allergies,
with all these things that people have to take into
account in just deciding, for instance, if you're someone who
is caring for somebody, how do you make those decisions,
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intelligent decisions to actually care for your loved ones. So
we created this thing and we're leveraging AI and now
we want to partner with the health sector to actually
make sure that people comply with the diet recommendations of
their of their and we're using AI.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Their health physicians exactly, their caregivers that they'll make sure
that they eat well so that their body can give
it chance the best chance of healing.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Exactly how do you manage all those things because there's
so many you were talking earlier about having twelve grand kids.
I am sure the dietary preferences of those of your
family alone. If Marilyn was actually doing all the cooking
for everybody, it would drive it completely bisark, right, So
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how do you make sure that people can make intelligent
decisions for their health? And so sometimes you have to
leverage technology you do and you give the example of
your son who is in business now and doing things
more efficiently. So now the things that he doesn't have
to do, he doesn't have to invest in hiring people
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and you know, wasting more money to actually deliver the
service that his company is supposed to deliver. So these
are some of the things about AI that we need
to understand can actually be an advantage.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So it's a quick delivery system to people in multiple
different areas to give them information that they can have
in order to magnify whatever it might be is their
need exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
And now you think about disili in terms of the
church and the world. Earlier on we're talking about how
the church. You know, sometimes people faith at a very
difficult time matching the faith with the speed of life.
Right what has ended up happening is that the church
has ended up taking a life of its own and
the world are taking a life of its own. Now
the world is much more efficient in the decision making
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that it does because of leveraging technology. The faith community
is not. That puts us at a very big disadvantage it.
You know, if we are actually going to impact lives
and so on, we have to be efficient. Now, I
know efficiency is actually a word that can actually even
become scary, but we really have to be economic and
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efficient in the way that we make decisions and we
implemented things that we want to implement for the good
of people.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I know. One of the concerns that people are beginning
to raise with AI and church world is pastors who
can basically ask groc or whomever out there in the
AI world to quite discernments and can glean all the information.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I know.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
One of the concerns amout a missions is that the
kids in college or high school or middle school can
ask ROC to write their papers for them, and it
could cause all kinds of questions regarding plagiarism. And did
you really do the work and did you really learn
the information or did you get AI to do all
the work for you. I know those are some of
the concerns out there as well. And all I can
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speak for as a preacher is you just have to
have the integrity to do the work. Maybe use AI
to get the information to you, but to make sure
you actually do the work.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Absolutely so, David, a person who is inclined to do
that as a man of God would be doing something else,
which is not quite right anyway, even without AI. That's
what I believe. If you're not driven by true love
for the people that you serve, and you're really not
interested in hearing God, and you're really not interested in
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actually being the oracle of God, but instead you want
the approval of people, you're going to abuse AI. But
you know, the abuse of technology or the abuse of
the opportunity to be influential has always been there, so
I mean can't. We can't or blame all of that
on technology. However, in fact, so some of the concerns
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I think that have been raised to me, I think
concern must be raised by people who are involved. If
you're not involved and it just raise concerns, then you
might just as well be a phariasee.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And the truth of the matter is always finding faults,
I always find always criticized, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And you know what, David, one of the things that
one of the motivations for writing this book is to
encourage people like you and I. So in your church,
there are AI engineers in your church.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
They are right, No, And interestingly, the couple I know
of are very committed followers of Jesus and they're going
there is a place for this in the world and
in the church as well.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Exactly, exactly, And we don't pay enough attention to some
of these people so that we can understand what is
happening in that world. It's in world that we need
to be able to influence. And if we don't know
what's going on, then winter and people can.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Use it for their personal Bible studies. For example, I
know if they get to a verse, they don't really understand.
They can actually go to AI and say, please explain
for me, you know, one Peter four eighteen, and it'll
write out a real interesting paragraph regarding the insights that
academicians and scholars have regarding that particular verse, which could
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be helpful.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Absolutely, And you know you and I am sure you
know our generation maybe slightly younger than you, but David,
generally a generation swears by Encyclopedia Britannica.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Right, yeah, that's what we got. And actually people would
actually go door to door itself Encyclopedia PTA.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
It was written by people with biases. That's just a fact. Yeah.
Do I trust it more? I think I do, just
because of my generation, you know, the way that people
sifted through knowledge and stuff like that. There were some
safeguds and so on, but generally speaking, the foundation of
everything that we call knowledge, particularly when it is passed
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on by men his biases.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well, that begs the question who's feeding the information to
exactly who's then coagulating it all to give it back
to you? And I guess there are some ways to
ask that question. Where is the genesis of this particular
AI instrument I'm trying to use?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, they're called large language models, and they learn. And
the tragedy is that we have not been there to
feed the system so they can learn with an ethical
bias that we want them to have.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Okay, we'll plug your book one more time. The name
of it and how can people get it?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Redeeming Sunda, Faith and Innovation in the Age of AI,
and it's found on Amazon and Books a Million and
all these platforms.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, the truth is it's here and it's not going
to go away. So we've got to figure out how
to use it for God's glory. Realizing that every instrument,
like I've used the illustration of fire, can be used
to burn people or burn up a building, but also
used to warm us and to cook our meat and
cook our food. So we just got to learn how
to use it and make it a part of our
lives in a positive way for God's glory. Let's continue
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this conversation on the other side of the break. I'm
David Chadwick, will be right back.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Us. USA.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
We are many, yet we are one.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
We are sad and yet bound.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
And his above, and together we are all His hands
and His feet, bringing percy and peace to this boom.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Are your many.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I know, Wan, I keep asking myself what would happened
if every Christian in the world was united together in love.
I just think this world would receive power from all
Hi and be a different place.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
In which to live.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Everyone, I'm David Chadwick and this is News Talk eleven,
ten ninety nine three WBT. Welcome back to the show
and my guest Noah Manyika, an author, a pastor. I've
been involved in this community for decades with a great
heart for the poor, great heart for children. Noah, again,
the name of your book.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Is Redeeming Sunda, Faith and Innovation in the Age of AI.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
That's what we've been talking about in the show mostly
is how can AI be used in a positive way?
And Noah, we talked about information that can be gleaned
from AI. And I was talking off Ara with you
and Ed Billick, my producer and friend, that I recently
had a Bible verse. I was going, what exactly does
that mean? And I went to AI and he gave
me an interpretation of that verse and I said, I
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don't think that's right. I don't think that's accurate. And
I did some more research and found out it wasn't accurate.
If people get something from AI and they feel like
it's not accurate, how can they test it?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, so that's a big challenge. And again it goes
back to what with saying earlier on the danger of
being left behind as people of God in terms of
expertise puts a set an advantage in terms of checking
on things that are wrong with AI. And I think
this is where but you know what, here is the opportunity, David.
And I like the example that you gave. It illustrated
(35:20):
that you are the expert. You are the one that
God has called and given the responsibility to share the word.
It's not AI that has been called. And I think
that you know, accepting that responsibility in using any technology
is one of the most ethical things that people can do,
you know, you and for me, I am forced to
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really deepen my knowledge about whatever area I'm working in
in order for me to check AI and also in
order for me to utilize it. So the you know,
we can't excuse ourselves from the responsibility of knowing, knowing God,
knowing the word of God ourselves and also you know,
listening to that voice in us that promcess to say something.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Is wrong here yeah, John ten twenty seven. My sheep
hear my voice, jeezuz exactly. And I do think the
Holy Spirit shows us the truth. He said I'll lead
you to all truth in John sixteen exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Evan, you had this situation, David, where you know, a
new Bible version, for instance, comes out and you read
it and you're like, Ah, something I'm not sure about.
I'm not sure about that. It's the same process. It's
really the same process.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, you know, Noah. I want to make this comment
to the because a lot of people today are looking
at the world and they're sensing that maybe we're closer
to the end than we realize. I mean, I don't
know when that could be, and I don't want to
even dare date an hour or day, but I would
say that things are crazy, and some people think AI
could be what the Antichrist will use when he does
(36:53):
step on the world, saying to allow there to be
a one world government, a one world economy. I mean,
I don't know, but certainly the technology suggest that that
will be what he can use in order to demand
people's following of him and control their lives.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, he will use whatever is available at that time.
I mean, you know, I think sometimes people look at
the Antichrist and they think, well, he is full crazy
and he will use the tools that are there.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
He'll do whatever he can.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, exactly. So I can give you an example. One
of the most destructive tools for families and and so on,
it can also be one of the most useful television. Right,
How have we used television over these al radio? You know,
how have we used it over the years? You know,
so some of these things and now we're looking at
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kids being raised by apps and phones and so on.
That's because of the irresponsibility of parents. It's not the
it's not the tool, it's what we So, yeah, the
Antichrist will use whatever is available. You know, we the hey,
the the host have bolted demand.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He's out.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
You know, we kind of put it back.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Well, for me, it just simply suggests that as we
see the world moving, as it's moving in the technological advancements,
we begin to get insights into scripture that we didn't
have even ten years ago. And I think this whole
transhumanism issue that's going on right now, that we can
somehow with AI technology begin to replace our brain. All
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of that's rooted in the human fear to die exactly.
And it's the promise that technology can't give us that
will live forever. I think we'll discover that more and more.
But I think it's the promise to a very intellectual,
secularized society that has moved further and further away from
God that a promise can be made that you won't
ever have to die. And the truth is you will.
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That's why you need forgiveness of your sins a Lord
and savior who promises you the gift of eternal life, Jesus.
The truth is for those of us who love him,
we will never die. But we don't have to worry
about technology giving up that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I answered exactly. Thirty second quick story. I went to Phoenix.
I got to Phoenix, I ordered a taxi UH and Uber.
I was late for a meeting and the only option
that was there was a driverless way more.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Or you took one.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I was terrified, David. When it got there, I got
in the car and I got where I was going safely,
and then I was thinking about it. Afterwards. I was well,
this car has eyes on the back of its head,
which my driver wouldn't have. It A sense us everywhere
and so on. So uh, it's a story for another day.
But you can imagine, you know, my shock getting into
(39:39):
this thing and it taking me away on It took
a lot of my say faith, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well I'm hearing more and more that's the way of
the future, exactly, and that is going to be a
lot of blessings because we'll get where we want to
go and it is really really safe. The problem that
most people are saying now, it's going to put a
lot of drivers out of way exactly, and that's going
to have serious implications for the car. I mean exactly,
every good there's a potential bad and you just have
to look at that and no real quickly. I mentioned
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at the beginning of the program, you come from Zimbabwe,
which had a real issue with blacks trying to reclaim
farmland from white It's in South Africa. We had recently
a group of South African farmers who migrated to America.
People thought Trump pulled that out of his hat to
show an immigration problem. I just want you to be
able to say that is a real problem in the
world right now.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Well, there's just a problem in the world of having
the right social contract anyway. I mean, you know, it's
we're living at the time. And I really believe that
this is where the opportunity for people of faith is
encouraging communities to develop the right social contract that doesn't
actually postpone this resolution of certain problems too later, because
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you know, there's an opportune time for problems like that
to be resolved. And for South Africa, just like Zimbabwe,
these problems should have been resolved at the point of independence.
With some of these difficult conversations can be had because
once you go past that emotional moment, then all kinds
of things start coming up, you know, and all kinds
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of pressures coming up. South Africa has a lot of problems,
and you know, that's one of them.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And some say Cape Town and Johannesburger two of the
most dangerous cities.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
In the world exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
So yeah, well this is one of them. And blacks
feel like white stole the farms back when you know,
one hundred too hundred years ago. Now they need to
get them back again. But then they're taking away people's
livelihoods and even murdering their families, which is absolutely wrong.
So there's much in this world we need to address
because the world is complicated and it needs a savior.
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Absolutely no, would you take fifteen seconds and pray for
our people right now?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Father God, we thank you, and I thank you for
my good friend David and everything that he's doing, and
for the production team and the word that's going out.
We are not afraid. Thank you God for calling us
and for being us in everything that we do. We
pray all of this in the mighty name of Jesus
who came and died for you, that you may have
(42:06):
life and life forevermore in it.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
No, Mannika, the book is redeeming. Sundar. I'm David Chadwick.
I tell you all the same thing every week. Love God,
love your neighbor. If you do those two things, you
have a lifetime's worth of work to do. Talk with
you all next week.
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