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November 4, 2024 14 mins

An update on the current closure along the Kokoda Track in PNG and thoughts on whether or not it will reopen for 2025. 


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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
For me, Mission Ridge and Brigade Hill. The whole Kakoda
campaign more people need to know about it or no,
everyone knows someone who's trek Kakoda, but to actually understand
the stories of what these young guys did, it's harrowing
what they went through.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
They were staunched to the end against odds uncountered and
they fell with their faces to the.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Welcome to the Kakoda Track podcast hosted by former solject
Glen Asa. This is the place to hear stories from
those who've trecked Kakoda and gained tips and knowledge about
what to expect on the track, or to relive your
own amazing experiences. The Kakoda Track Podcast keeping the spirit
of Kakoda alive.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
And Welcome back to the Coakoda Track podcast on Glenaser
obviously the founder of Adventure Professionals and the host here
on the co Coda Track podcast. Now, I haven't been
on for a little while, and reason for that being
there's a lot of turmoil as people would know right
now politically with what's happening on the Kokoda track, which
has forced the closure and the cancelation of all trips

(01:26):
through September, October and into early November, which is when
the season officially ends and it picks up again sort
of early to mid March, depending on the wet season.
I've been asked a lot about what's happening over there,
and people that haven't been there before particularly or don't
have much to do with P and G, you know,
are panicking about whether the track will be open next year,

(01:47):
or you know, whether the trips are going to be
postponed indefinitely, and so on. From my point of view personally,
I just first wanted to give a shout out to
all of our clients from September and October, all of
whom have moved to dates for next year and have
been really really good to deal with, you know, dealing
adventure anywhere in the world, but particularly P and G,
Africa and Nepal places like that, which is where I travel,

(02:08):
they always fraught with any sort of actions that happened
amongst the local communities, and we just have to go
along and deal with that as best we can, remembering
that we're visitors where guests in these places now. As
important as Kakoda is to us as a nation, you know,
particularly obviously Australians, as important as it is, we have
no ownership. We have no right to be there. So

(02:29):
it's not like, you know, some people get a bit indignant,
but you remember it's their land, it's their space, their place,
and they have all their own stuff going on sort of,
you know, eighty plus years on since the initial campaign,
so a rundown. Firstly, I will say yes, it will
be open next year. I've got no doubt about that.
If you haven't been traveling to PNG before or over

(02:50):
a long period of time, you wouldn't realize that this
is a fairly regular occurrence. And when I say regular,
every sort of three to five years there's a little
bit of a dust up between local landowners, between government
agencies and government itself, and typically that down to financing
and people getting paid on time or at all. And
what's happening right now is a couple of different landowner

(03:12):
groups have got a couple of different disputes with the
government and with funds that have been owed to them
for quite some time, and significant amount of funds. And
then there's also a discussion around the payment of coad
Coda Track Authority fees and the fact that they're also
behind by some years. And mostly this is due to
what happened with COVID, but still it's an ineffective running

(03:34):
of the organization at some level, and not to get
too political, that is affecting people on the ground in
the communities along the co CODA track. So I want
to say this as someone that has been traveling there
for years, I stand fully with the local landowners and
with the local communities in getting paid what they're owned. Absolutely,
we as tecking companies, pay our fees. Those fees are

(03:56):
meant to be passed on and they should be passed
on in a timely manner. We cannot step onto the
track unless those fees are paid. So therefore those fees
should all already be dispersed because they've already been paid.
But it seems that you know, the authority and whoever's
involved are somewhat behind. And when I say somewhat a
year or two, and the local landowners have had enough

(04:16):
of that, and that's fair, so I stand with them
on that, but it does create challenges. Now I think
about all of the boys that I employ, and there's
seventy plus boys that work for us over there and
their families. They're all missing out on income because of
this dispute, and there's an argument at the moment for
them to receive some form of compensation from their government.

(04:36):
I want one hundred percent back that they are totally
entitled to having something happen, because it's through no fault
of their own that this situation has occurred. I know
with my boys in PNG, a lot of them, we
pay fifty percent of school fees for their kids. And
the reason we only pay fifty percent is that we're
trying to give them a hand up, not a hand out.

(04:57):
We're trying to help them to get their children's education
up to the standard that they want to get it to.
But they pay the other half out of their treking fees.
That's mostly where their cash comes from. They have assets
in other areas in trade for food and all of
those sort of things and equipment building materials, but their
cash comes from the trekking community. So now our boys,

(05:18):
and I'm sure it's to save for every company, they've
missed out on income. For September, October early November, we've
had to cancel three trips altogether, and now that means
that there's no more money coming through to them until
March and April when the big trips kick back off.
So they're six months without a cash wage, which is
really really tough on them. And we're in a situation

(05:39):
where again we've paid fifty percent of all their school fees.
And I'm having a similar issue in Africa at the
moment with my head guide over there where his son
being at university to studied medicine and again not having
the cash assets due to some things happening over there
that we're actually doing some gofund me so my own
private group of the adventure professionals, and I might even
put the links to this podcast are just to go

(06:01):
funny for both our P ANDNG boys and for our
our African boys, you know, both of whom have families.
You know when I said both groups, not both people,
but both groups. There's a vast number of people involved
in this. So whilst we feel like we're missing out
at the moment because we're not getting to go and
have this amazing experience, I want you to just reframe

(06:23):
that a little bit and think about how it's affecting
these local communities, how it's affecting them. If they don't
stand up for themselves, they're going to continue to be
underpaid by the authorities that are meant to pay them.
So of course they have to stand up for themselves.
But to do that, they have to put themselves at
a very much a short term admittedly, but a short
term pain where they're missing out on money right now.
And so it's the lesser of two evils for them

(06:44):
in some ways, but they've gone for the bigger role
of well, we need to fix this problem up so
that it doesn't keep happening, so that we can roll forward.
But it means right now that we're going to be
running out of cash. So think about them first and foremost.
We're okay, you know, we can afford to take ourselves
on these amazing adventures. The authorities and the government agencies involved,
they're all okay, they all get paid every week what

(07:05):
But it's the families on the ground that we really
need to consider now, the big And that's all I
want to say. And I don't want to get too
political around it. I don't want to cause any distress
by getting any information wrong. But right now that they're
underpaid or behind in payments and they need to be
paid now. The other side of that is to say, yes,
the track will be open very soon. We got an

(07:26):
email two days ago just from government agencies saying that
you know, they've met most demands already and they're pretty
close to having it opened and so it will definitely
be open for next year. You have no problems with
that at all. Typically when I've seen these instances happen,
they're well cleared up by the time ANTAC kicks off
because it's really important for the locals also to earn
in that period. They might threaten a closure on ANTEC,

(07:46):
but it very rarely happens because it affects them too
much as well. So they've got a little bit of
clout now they've had their say. They've proven their point
by actually closing the track through September October, in November,
and I think that's going to help us get a resolution.
And I do one hundred percent believe will be open
and running next year, and that'll keep us that away
for the next few years because all the right agencies

(08:07):
that we do in the right things. Because this has
happened to them, and it's you know, there'll be a
whole look into why this happens and so on, p
and gesus. It's a tough country at the best of times.
There's a lot of corruption in different areas around, probably
no different than there would be in places like Australia
if we didn't have so many checks and balances in place.
So I understand what's happening there, and I understand that

(08:29):
you are going to get your adventure. And I'm happy
with my people in particular as in our clients, that
they've been really understanding of that and they've all saved
their trips. For those of you that worry about this
sort of thing happening, I can't implore you enough when
you book a trip to Kakota to take out full
comprehensive travel insurance that covers this sort of thing happening,

(08:49):
because that way, if your trip doesn't happen and then
in a year or two you don't get to go
for whatever reason, and then maybe you'll have a health
issue you're not able to go. Now, at least you're
covered financially. So as soon as you book your trip,
as soon as you've paid your trip in full, you
should have full comprehensive travel insurance that includes political unrests
and cancelations and so on, because for we as companies,

(09:13):
once you send money into places like P and G,
very very difficult to get any of it back out.
There's a lot of policies around how much can be
taken out and so on. So protect yourselves would be
the one thing that I would say that you can do,
and the other thing is just be patient and know
that the track will be up and running again very soon.
If you've got other questions around this stuff, please email
me Glem with two ends at adventure Professionals dot com

(09:35):
dot au. If you'd like to book on a trip
for next year because you've still been thinking about it,
or maybe your trip's been canceled at this stage and
you weren't going with us, please feel free to check
out Adventure Professionals dot com dot au. I'm personally running
trips next year through April May July September, and I've
got some fantastic track leaders as well who are running
some really really good adventures. So if we can help

(09:57):
you out in any way there of actually running an
amazing cocoa adventure, we would love to do that. But
if it's just information, if there's frequently asked questions and
enough of them come through, I'll do another podcast talking
about that. The main thing today I wanted to talk
about is be patient. The trip will go ahead next year,
will be open to have your travel insurance sorted as

(10:18):
soon as you made all your payments, just to protect
you from this sort of thing. And three, we fully
support the actions that have been taken on the ground,
even though we understand that it hurts our local community
as well. They needed to rattle the cads. They needed
to make sure that this didn't continue to happen to them.
So I hope that makes sense to everyone.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Again.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Glenmorick twins at Adventure Professionals dot com dot If I
can help you out with anything else, I'm more than
happy to do so.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, I spent seventeen years in the Army. My
father was in the military, my grandparents in the military,
so aware from a strong military family, we're very patriotic Australians.
For me, Mission Ridge and Brigade Hill, the whole Kakoda campaign.
More people need to know about it. I know everyone
knows someone who's trek Kakoda but to actually understand the
stories of what these young guys did, it's harrowing what
they went through.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
They were staunched to the end against odds uncounted, and
they fell with their faces to the phone.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
And they say that there's no greater love has any
man than to laid down his life for a friend.
And that's what they did. They laid it down for
a friend, and they laid it down for this country.
And as an Australian, I just you know, it gets
me goosebumps every time I think about it, every time
I talk about it. More people need to know about it.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Today's service touched us all, but none more so than
those who have also served.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
It's quite moving because I guess the significance of it
is younger soldiers like myself. We were involved in campaigns
such as Seymour Iraq in Afghanistan, and it is a
great astra trait that we are compassionate towards another nation. However,
the battle for and along the Kakoda campaign, it is

(12:03):
the last and only where we have literally had to
defend our nation to be on the exact the exact
battleground that our forefathers once stood to defend our country.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's something very special. We also honor the gentle souls
who stood beside our Aussie troops. Among our porters are
the descendants of the fuzzy wuzzy angels.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Bringing back the wounded, just as steady as a hearse,
using leads to keep the rain off, and as gentle
as a nurse, slow and careful in bad places on
the awful mountain track, and the look upon their faces
makes us think that Christ was black.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Less harmus raising bard and visions.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
And the bond between Ossie's and the people of Papi
and New Guinea was forged in war and it endures
in peace. We've felt that friendliness, that special connection in

(13:27):
the comforting presence of our porters and in every small
community along the Kakoda Track. Who we.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
Are.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Okay, guys, thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
It would be awesome if you'd share this with anyone
you know that's going to the Kakoda Track, or that
has been and has a keen interest in the track.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
It's people and those who choose to track it.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
The pillars of isherrabas, courage, endurance, makeshif and sacrifices great
words to live by, and this podcast will offer makeshift
and a place for those that live and love the
Kakoda Track experience until next episode, live a life that
inspires you and those around you, and remember to take
time out to think about.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
What's really important, what's really important, what's really important?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Thanks for listening to the Kakoda Track Podcast. To get
in touch or stay up to date, go to Kakoda
Track Podcast on Facebook or email Glen at Adventure Professionals
dot com dot A. You don't forget to subscribe and
share with your friends. Let's keep the spirit and the
stories of Kakoda at the P and G people alive.
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