Rams general manager Les Snead talks about quarterback Matthew Stafford’s decision to stay in Los Angeles, wide receiver Cooper Kupp’s possible departure, players that could be re-signed in free agency, and preparing for the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, Las, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
How's it going, Gary Good?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, so, can you take us through kind of the
Matthew Stafford situation and how it feels to have him
back and what that means going forward to the future.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It was very impactful result for sure as we went
through the process. At the end of the day, I
always have called it a renewal of valves and and
during the whole process. What made it impactful is these
partnerships between quarterback and NFL franchise. It even has a nickname, right,
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franchise QB. But the end of the day, there's there's
definitely a lot of parameters that are involved in there's
trade offs and over the years as you go through them,
you know there's some wear and tear. But through the process,
the neat thing is once we sat down, it was
it was very obvious that we all wanted to continue
the partnership and continue chase seeing some form of greatness together.
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And uh, that's exactly the conclusion that we got to.
And we're jacked that it got to that point.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What went into the decision to explore trading Cooper Cup
and actually have hit him announce on social media that
you guys were going to trade him.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, we sat down with Cooper and said, this was
definitely something we were going to look into. Based on
over the course of the year, especially there at the
trade deadline, where people were knocking on the door see
if we were if we were willing to trade him,
and and just moving forward, we felt like this could be, uh,
let's call it a time for uh, the next chapter
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for both parties, even though obviously all the chapters up
until now have been definitely very fruitful, impactful, UH in
the you know, and all you can think of is this,
you know, super Bowl MVP, and we wouldn't be champions
without Cooper on that field that night.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sean has said that, or he said the other day
that discussion about a restructure had not happened. Is that
is that the case? Is there any way if that
contract was somehow redone, that Cooper could be back Right now?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think we're we're the probably, I mean right now
we're still working through that process. Obviously, Cooper's still a RAM.
I mean, I know, you can't do official trade papers
until until the trade deadline, but like Jonah Jackson's case,
you can agree to things. So he's still around right now.
We're working through it and we'll continue to do that,
but that is that is the less probable route that
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we'll go.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So so is there a scenario though, where he would
be back with the Rams next season.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean there's a scenario, but when you get into
probabilities that, I mean, that would be the least likely.
So I don't want to tell you not today and
then next week he's a Ram You see what I mean.
But you see what we're trying to do. We're working
to try to find a partner and a next chapter
for Cooper and ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And then finally for me, is Jimmy Garoppolo kind of
the number one choice to be his backup if you
can work out a deal with him?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know that's that's been the case since we left.
I know, we've got to sit down with Jimmy as
he figures out what's next getting with the quarterback, whether
he wants to come back in a more traditional backup
not necessarily competing for starting job role, or is there
may be an opportunity out there somewhere in the league
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where he could compete or go in as a bridge guy.
I think Jimmy's sitting there. Yeah, I think he's taken
the time to figure out what he might want, you know,
and what's best for him and moving forward. Thanks very much, Steve.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Let's what was your reaction to James Gladstone getting the Jaguars,
John May, aren't your job?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You do?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Sweet? Better? Definitely sweet because James, his wife, Julie, his
family as a whole, means a lot to me. We've
changed these other lives together. So it's always cool when
someone like him, someone close to you, gets the op
that he did. And obviously better because you just can't
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replace James Ladstone. Obviously he had he had responsibilities and
we have to replace those responsibilities. A similar to what
we said with Aaron Donald last year. And I'm not
saying James is Aaron Donald, right, Aaron Donald's a Hall
of Famer, but can't replace the person. You definitely got
to replace the responsibilities. That's what we're trying to do.
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But really, really really jack for James.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And then just as a quick follow to that, you
know you mentioned all those responsibilities that bill under just perview,
is is that something that's gonna do a collective effort
or do you are you close to finding a replacement
for him.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Where are you guys on that post. We will not
try to replace James with with one person. It will
definitely be collective. We're always talking about uh, succession and
how that goes. But usually when you have someone that's
that's special, try not to just put someone in that
chair and try to replicate special. That usually sets people
up fail. But we have some really uh let's call
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it bright people that are still in the building looking
forward to working with him and and going to It's
interesting too for James to go from where he did.
One of my mentors, uh that I'm fortunate to have
Jim Collins, who wrote the book Good the Great. Uh.
You know, one of his mantras is just get the
right on the bus and then figure out what seat
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to put him in. And James Ladstone's the epitome of
that statement when when we when we decided to bring
James on, didn't necessarily have a seat, didn't know what
seat it was gonna be. Uh. And then Parady moon
and then eventually he's probably driving the bus.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Appreciate that, Adam a less. Just to circle back to
the Cooper for a second, he has a roster bonus
due next week. Do you expect to have some kind
of resolution on his situation by that date that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, the roster bonuses is definitely a if there
is a deadline in this situation, that is that that
that roster date does weigh a good bit in the
algorithm of the formula that that we're working through.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And after you came to terms with Matthew a couple
hours later, you come to terms with Alaric. As you're
going through that situation with Matthew, how much are you
preparing parallel paths for either outcome and how different were
those potential scenarios for this roster?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think the I think let's just take the case
of you know, Alaric. I think that that one that one, hey,
we wanted him back as our left tackle, so that
one definitely might have stayed the same, But it would
be if we were to have moved on from Matthew,
that that would have definitely taken us down a one
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eighty of a path per se.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
For sure, what made getting a deal done with Aleric
prior to free agency a priority for you?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think that because we at the end of the day,
I think it was this we wanted him back. He
wanted to be a ram so it became a win
win situation. But we were fully prepared for maybe to
get into the window, for him to to to look
around to see what might be. I mean a lot
of times I don't consider that, let's call it a
player reps looking to go somewhere else, but it is
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probably that opportunity too to gather the let's go it
as close to what my the market value or what
other people are willing to pay as you can get
to uh, you know, during the phases right now, you
can you can gather information, uh, make educated guesses. You
get through the window, you can probably even get write
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a deal presented to you. So at the end of
the day, though it was it was it was really really,
let's call it fulfilling on both sides to know, hey,
we we were part of bringing him in as a
college free agent, and then right he exceeded those expectations
became a starter. So at the end of the day,
we both wanted to work together and continue that partnership
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as well.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
The last time we all spoke with you, there was
a lot of uncertainty at tackle with Aleric being a
pending free agent and Rob deciding on his future with
them both back in the fold for next year. How
much flexibility does that certainty at tackle now give you
as you prepare for free agency in the draft.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, that it definitely gives you flexibility when you have
a void at a position that's not everyone on the
planet can do easy not not as easily replaced. Uh,
and not many available weather draft free agency. Uh, it definitely.
It's definitely a void that screams at you, barks at you.
You know it's there, so uh and and and let's
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just take it to the draft. You could go to
the draft and now instead of adding to what we
what we finished with last year, it's almost like you
you might have to use rite a really good draft
pick just to hopefully get back to even from last year.
So uh, it's a it's a It allows us to now,
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like I said, have flexibility to maybe, at least on paper,
subjectively go add instead of just replaced. Thank you, Jordan.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Heylus.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Hey, Jordan's wondering obviously, Uh, it won't officialize until the
start of the lead year, but wondering how the Jonah
Jackson situation unfolded and.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Kind of reverse engineering start to finish that process from
signing him last year, what you guys maybe learned from
from that situation or took from the situation overall.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I think I'd summarized that we had too many good
guards on the roster. All of them wanted to play,
so we thought it was in the best interests of
all parties to move on. I think that at the
end of the day, it's a lesson in decision making
and that I always like to say Tom Tayls that
you know tells the tale. But we've talked about it, Jordan.
(10:35):
I think you may have interviewed me, you might have
written something on it. You know, there was an element
of a conundrum there. We attempted to move Steve Avila
the center. Wasn't like it was a wild guest. He
played center in college. It's different playing center in the NFL.
It's different playing center Stalla McVay. But when we did
move Steve the center. It's one thing going through Ota
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is once we got to the stressful portion of the
let's call the training of Steve tois to center, and
that'd be training camp. Both Jonah and Steve injured. So
once we got to the season, and that's even more
stressful than the training camp. Uh. We attempted it maybe
once in the Miami game, things like that. It was
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it just came very clear, you know what, we've run
out of time with this experiment, and at that point
we had dug ourselves a whole in that regular season,
so we didn't have margin for training new centers. We
went with the lineup we had. We got to the
end of the season and felt like this was the
best thing moving forward. But as I said, did that's
the tim always tells the tale, and you know, we
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just we discussed keeping Jonah, but it would probably have
taken to you you probably need to play all three
at guard and some some rotation to keep everyone happy.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Sean has mentioned a few times since Friday that this
will be a year to year situation with Matthew, and
obviously as long as he wants to keep playing, you
guys would love to have him at that high level
of play. Kind of wondering how you will approach looking
at this situation in the now and then looking at
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adding a long term potential incoming quarterback for whenever Matthew
does decide that that he's done, how you guys will
approach that this year and beyond.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I think you had you, we probably would approach
it asap. I do think the part of the equation
that's the hardest of that equation is it's one thing
to identify a QB. It's another to actually be able
to acquire him. But let's say we did and that
person could learn under Matthew, that's probably only beneficial. I
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just think it's, you know, two things about that equation.
Even if we identified someone, sometimes it's hard to acquire,
and then you get into okay, wait a minute, we
do have Matthew, and again we want to chase special,
whatever special may be. So maybe it's best in that
moment to trap another position player and keep going that way.
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So you're always balancing those two things. But finding the
next QB, that one, that one, it's easier said than done.
I think we've seen that over the course of history.
Green Bay Packers may be doing a nice job.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
Obviously, some decisions on some of your own guys coming up,
as well as free agency on the defensive line specifically.
I know, you know Bobby Lorel, a couple guys you'll
have decisions to make on. But I wonder if the
I guess emergence of that group as a whole last
year would prevent or preclude you guys from adding more
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of a high profile veteran and free agency or via trade.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think what we've done since we since we talked
last you know, you know, prioritizing the rejuvenation. But get
back in and go, okay, you know what are ways
with additions? You know, let's call it to people or
in other ways? Hey, can we continue trying right to
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make the bet of giving us the Rams an edge
going into next year and for years after that. Again,
we mentioned in the Jonah Jackson's situation, right, you can
do things on paper on blueprint and it doesn't work.
But right now, that's that's the goal. Right now, Let's
continue trying to do things this offseason to give us
an edge not only next year but in years to come.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
And then forgive me quick follow up with Akello being
a starter for you guys last year, especially through the
back stretch of the season alongside Darius. Is he somebody
who you will keep an open conversation with throughout definitely?
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Thanks?
Speaker 8 (14:55):
Whyant hey less, could you describe the responsibilities of like
the scouting departments as you guys are preparing for the draft,
and how they kind of communicate with you, and if
that's kind of a collective conversation or if it's you know,
more one on one.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Here's what you know. I would say this the best mode,
most efficient, probably more impactful mode of communication is the
is the way we input our evaluations, our assessments, analyzes
what have you into the system, and at that point
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I can read what everyone is trying to articulate and
and really compare to where there is where there is
organic descent, where there's organic agreement, and that's probably the
best way. But yes, there sometimes there's sometimes there's large
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group meetings, Sometimes there's more intimate meetings. Sometimes there's one
on one phone calls. Sometimes there's just the old natural
how we communicate. They someone maybe at a pro date,
gets really really jacked about something or disturbed about something,
and and it's it's it's a simple text. But at
the end of the day, I do think, uh, the
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the way we structure and how everyone's uh let's call
it voice is not necessarily heard but read, analyzed and
uh assessed is probably the best way we communicate.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
And uh, I know you said that obviously you can't
replace James Gladstone, but what are some of the responsibilities
that maybe other people are gonna have to you know,
pick up with, uh, you know, without him around.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And that's a that's a that's a. They're definitely a
long list. Hey, Jordan, maybe you get back on and
help out you. You kind of spent some time going
through our system, but I would take a long time
to name them now at the end of the day.
But as as as the director of scouting, scouting strategy,
I mean, he definitely was someone who, let's call it
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connected that collective together. He was definitely someone who articulated
the vision that we had to them and what we
were trying to accomplish in the missions of each phase.
Thank you, Greg Heylas. How you doing. How's it going? Greg?
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Not bad?
Speaker 10 (17:30):
Not bad? Hey, Uh, I want to ask you. You had
to renew those vows with Matthew the past two offseasons.
Before that, you had some uncertainty, at least outside the building,
whether your head coach still wanted to be a coach
or whether ad wanted to play again. It seems stressful
to be you and all that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right there, you go answered the question.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
Let's get say, it just seems stressful when all that
existential stuff is going on with like the foundational pieces
of what you're building as a GM. What's your middle approach?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Is it just such as life? Uh? Probably and and
Tom will tell, But it's interesting you It's what we
always say that last year doesn't equal this year. You
know a lot of times I always go and I
think you'll have heard me say it in this And
I talked with my kids a lot about it because
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they're they're into this med and football, and you know,
it's like, oh, we you just take last year and
you as we mentioned earlier in the talking about the
signing of Leric, right, and you just add or you
just place at the end of the day, each team
right based on I call it the dark matter that
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you just mentioned, is very very different, right. And it
can show up psychologically, mentally, and even it can show
up physically if someone's hey, maybe they maybe they have
maybe they had one, two or three many more reps
than they should have last year and they haven't recovered
as much, and it shows up in something It drags on,
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but each year is different. I call it the dark
matter of sports teams. It's it's not Madden. There's there's
a as we say, there's a there's definitely a team,
and and the whole key is trying to engineer team competence.
The team's made up of individuals, but you know, some
individuals are going through right, really tough things personally and
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that might be during the course of a month during
the season that no one really knows. But hey, they're
not as we all are. We can't. We don't always
come to work and make an a that day. But okay,
is a cqlus all you can give that day? That's
all I mean, that's just as I said, such is life.
But you just hit the nail on the head. But
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it's it's definitely something that we like to somewhat identify
and intentionally try to I'm not I don't know if
the word is solid, but intentionally try to work through
all those variables so that when we do get to
ant uh, there's the least amount of distractions as possible
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and this team can then go and attempt to reach
its potential, whatever potential it might be. Makes sense. Uh.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
The other thing with with Cooper almost certainly leaving UH,
you know, you've had a really good dynamic in that
room with Cooper and Puoka, you know, the the veteran
and the and the and the young and the young
young prospect. Do you think Puoka is ready to be
not only a number one receiver in production, but in
terms of the leadership and tone setting in the receiver
room that he's going to have to do. And then
also when you look to add to that room that
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this month, as everybody assumes you will, how important will
veteran leadership be in your shopping?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I think you, I think that, I think number I
think on the Puka question, from a standpoint of skill
set production, I think it's fair for us to ask
him continue to evolve being a go to guy, being
a part of a again, of a group, of the
collective and not necessarily right. We're not asking him to
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score every point tonight, but there's gonna be times where
he's gonna need to rebound, times where he needs to Uh,
let's call it play defense. End of the day. Each
each humans coded differently on what type of leader they
can be, how well of a leader they can be,
and sometimes in sports, UH, it might be best to
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just ask that player if we're going to use or
continue the basketball analogy is, hey, continue just right being
the scoring machine that you are and being right, let's
call it the defensive player that you are, and we'll
we'll find someone else to come Lea. I'm not saying
that's the case with Pooka. What I'm what I'm saying
is sometimes it's not beneficial to say, oh, we're losing
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someone like Cooper. You take on the entire load that
will probably happen naturally grow into it. So we'll probably
be more wise to say, you know what, Pookah and
going actually don't necessarily have to be a one h
And when I say that, that might mean there's some
days where the other team's going to cloud you and
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guess what, whoever two three four is, you know what,
we're gonna have to pass the ball to you, and
you know what, you're in the big leagues and now
you can make the shot, so it'll evolve a game
the game. I think that's our approach. Thank you, Maria.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Hey les just too of them to run down a
couple more players. What's you're feeling about resigning DeMarcus Robinson?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know what, we're still working through all those situations.
He does how some things, right, you know that he's
got to work through legally off the season that can
prevent some playtime in the future. So that's the reality.
That's what you have to work through. We appreciate what
he's definitely done.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
What about Tyler Higbee, Tyler's on the roster, so we
definitely plan for him to be there.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think going back to you know, the question about
who can leadership it, Tyler's definitely someone that that clues
the offense, clues the defense, and probably even the special teams. Right,
got a lot of young specialists and some guys covering
kicks and trying to block. He's one of those humans
that does that. And you know, we really really appreciate that,
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and I know he's really jacked to say, Hey, I'm
a little more than that. I'm getting healthier now and
I'd like to continue right making an impact on offense.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
All right, thank you, and then we'll rop with Nick
and then Jim.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Hey, let's how you doing.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I am good? How about you?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well? Doing great? I wanted to ask you as you
guys prepare for the upcoming draft. There's been a couple
of players obviously that have really had some dominant college
football season. Have you had a chance to on you
and your staff had a chance to take a look
at someone like a Terrence Ferguson, for example, out of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Oh, come on, I mean gotta love the Oregon Ducks.
I'm not going to tell you whether I've watched Terrence
or not. What numbers here again, Eddie want oh that guy? Yeah?
The answer be yes. I don't want to get into
you know, names and showing cards. If I wasn't on
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active active duty and you know, right trying to help
give the rams and edge, we could sit down and
do a podcast together and I'd be a lot more
open understandable.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
When you're going into the draft, for example, when you're
looking at obviously various players that you feel that can
potentially add to this roster. Off the field, what are
some of the things that you're looking at from any
of the players that you feel that would be a
great fit inside the locker room?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think I think the number one thing off the
field is is we like to look at players who,
let's call it their their consistent habits, consistent patterns of
behavior show that football is a priority that not only
as getting better as an individual is a priority. But
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also helping the team that they were a part of
win games is a priority, and we like to say, look,
we'd like to just identify those players, right, invite them
to partner with us, and then they just show up
and then our staff right can amplify what they do.
And there's no energy spent other than right trying to
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get better at football individually and also helping the team
become as competent as possible. Anything other than that is
probably a distraction. Going back to the dark matter I
mentioned earlier to Greg, Right, if you got to drag
them in of the building and beg him to try
to be great over time in a partnership, there's usually
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some wear and tear that compounds, and you know, we'd
rather just write, everyone get here and let's go try
to dominate our roles.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Absolutely. Last one for me, Jordan went in and what
was your assessment of him last season?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
He would be one of those guys that fits that
we knew if we right partnered with Jordans sometime in
the draft that he would show up and write just
be himself, and at the end of the day, I
bet he would write at some point become a four
core contributor on special teams and definitely have the capacity
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to find a role as a contributor on the offensive
side of the ball. So you know, he did nothing
differently than he did at Texas, except we just gave
him the opportunity. Thanks a lot, less appreciate it, Jim.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
Jim, hey Las, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
First of all, enjoy.
Speaker 11 (27:08):
Mine's kind of a big picture sort of question. And
you've been doing this long enough and you kind of
get the conflict between trying to put the best team
you can on the field and dealing with what can
be a strict salary cap. Was there a point early
on that you kind of railed against it or fought
it or kind of or it was irritating or what
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have you, And at some point you just kind of decide, Hey,
this is this is what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Let's make it work. In terms of a rail against
the salary cap orl yeah, in terms of frustration that
that you can't get everything done that you want to
get done, I would I would probably try to frame
it as if you ever get frustrated, Uh, does your
frustrate actually changed the reality? Probably not so end of
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the day, there's a reality I think I mentioned before,
and in each case there's there's definitely trade offs to
that reality uh and right, where there's never gonna be
a perfect contract, there's never gonna be a perfect team.
I think that's what makes the NFL probably great because
there is an element of uh right, pure competitiveness every
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year and that's probably why people like to watch it.
So end of the day, there's no uh, there's no
perfect uh, there's no ideal. There's a lot of trade offs.
But within that, let's try to be right the best
we can possibly be the within the reality of the system.
So I'm probably like you said, however many years I'm
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into this, if I'm starting to get frustrated, I probably
need to just take a walk or a run and
go you know what, this is reality, Let's make the
most of it.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Are there?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Now? Last question?
Speaker 11 (29:02):
Are there times that you look over at Andrew Friedman
with the Dodgers and maybe you know, wee bit envious
that you can't just go out and get everything you need.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You know, I've never been envious of Andrew. I've only
been impressed anytime I've gotten the chance to hear him
listen to him. Obviously brilliant person, and what they've done there, right,
that's their reality, and I think they've definitely made the
most of their reality, or at least they come close
to making the most of it every year. So it's
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a different sport, different different parameters, but only thoroughly impressed
with you know how they run that operation over there, Okay,
And then what's need is is I can't stay this
gym in the end. Even though there's a lot of differences.
When people are usually right on that stage or in
their case, probably in a locker room with a lot
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of plastic and everybody's shaken up champagne or beer, what
have you, it does seem like the end result of
actually being the one team too right climb to the
mountaintop usually ends the same with a lot a lot
of people, really really in a state of euphoria for
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not necessarily probably going let's call it individually four for four,
striking out three in a game, but for everyone in
that locker room chasing great and actually fulfilling that greatness.
Speaker 11 (30:33):
I lied to I have one more question that just
came up while I While you were answering that one,
do you have a chance to talk to your counterparts
in other sports, and you know, differing systems, but the
same stresses, you know what.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
We actually do, probably not enough. It's interesting because there
is an element of either one. It's one of us
is in the let's call it end season and and
we're kind of going through the ebbs and flows of
the emotions of either winning a game that week or
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the night before or losing a game. And then there's
rarely that time where we're all just hanging out at
the beach. And then the off seasons in these sports
can be at an end season pace. But the answer
is yes, it's always really really cool to see how
other people do it and kind of like, as we said,
the parameters and reality they're working with and actually taking
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let's call it some version. Anytime I do that, when
you get a chance, there's a nugget I write down
and go, you know what, let's try to implement that
with the RAMS. So I would say, yes, but not enough,
thank you very much. All right, looks like we're all set.
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Thanks less hey, thank y'all.
Hey, Las, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
How's it going, Gary Good?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, so, can you take us through kind of the
Matthew Stafford situation and how it feels to have him
back and what that means going forward to the future.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It was very impactful result for sure as we went
through the process. At the end of the day, I
always have called it a renewal of valves and and
during the whole process. What made it impactful is these
partnerships between quarterback and NFL franchise. It even has a nickname, right,
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franchise QB. But the end of the day, there's there's
definitely a lot of parameters that are involved in there's
trade offs and over the years as you go through them,
you know there's some wear and tear. But through the process,
the neat thing is once we sat down, it was
it was very obvious that we all wanted to continue
the partnership and continue chase seeing some form of greatness together.
(01:03):
And uh, that's exactly the conclusion that we got to.
And we're jacked that it got to that point.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What went into the decision to explore trading Cooper Cup
and actually have hit him announce on social media that
you guys were going to trade him.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, we sat down with Cooper and said, this was
definitely something we were going to look into. Based on
over the course of the year, especially there at the
trade deadline, where people were knocking on the door see
if we were if we were willing to trade him,
and and just moving forward, we felt like this could be, uh,
let's call it a time for uh, the next chapter
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for both parties, even though obviously all the chapters up
until now have been definitely very fruitful, impactful, UH in
the you know, and all you can think of is this,
you know, super Bowl MVP, and we wouldn't be champions
without Cooper on that field that night.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sean has said that, or he said the other day
that discussion about a restructure had not happened. Is that
is that the case? Is there any way if that
contract was somehow redone, that Cooper could be back Right now?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think we're we're the probably, I mean right now
we're still working through that process. Obviously, Cooper's still a RAM.
I mean, I know, you can't do official trade papers
until until the trade deadline, but like Jonah Jackson's case,
you can agree to things. So he's still around right now.
We're working through it and we'll continue to do that,
but that is that is the less probable route that
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we'll go.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So so is there a scenario though, where he would
be back with the Rams next season.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean there's a scenario, but when you get into
probabilities that, I mean, that would be the least likely.
So I don't want to tell you not today and
then next week he's a Ram You see what I mean.
But you see what we're trying to do. We're working
to try to find a partner and a next chapter
for Cooper and ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And then finally for me, is Jimmy Garoppolo kind of
the number one choice to be his backup if you
can work out a deal with him?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know that's that's been the case since we left.
I know, we've got to sit down with Jimmy as
he figures out what's next getting with the quarterback, whether
he wants to come back in a more traditional backup
not necessarily competing for starting job role, or is there
may be an opportunity out there somewhere in the league
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where he could compete or go in as a bridge guy.
I think Jimmy's sitting there. Yeah, I think he's taken
the time to figure out what he might want, you know,
and what's best for him and moving forward. Thanks very much, Steve.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Let's what was your reaction to James Gladstone getting the Jaguars,
John May, aren't your job?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
You do?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Sweet? Better? Definitely sweet because James, his wife, Julie, his
family as a whole, means a lot to me. We've
changed these other lives together. So it's always cool when
someone like him, someone close to you, gets the op
that he did. And obviously better because you just can't
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replace James Ladstone. Obviously he had he had responsibilities and
we have to replace those responsibilities. A similar to what
we said with Aaron Donald last year. And I'm not
saying James is Aaron Donald, right, Aaron Donald's a Hall
of Famer, but can't replace the person. You definitely got
to replace the responsibilities. That's what we're trying to do.
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But really, really really jack for James.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And then just as a quick follow to that, you
know you mentioned all those responsibilities that bill under just perview,
is is that something that's gonna do a collective effort
or do you are you close to finding a replacement
for him.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Where are you guys on that post. We will not
try to replace James with with one person. It will
definitely be collective. We're always talking about uh, succession and
how that goes. But usually when you have someone that's
that's special, try not to just put someone in that
chair and try to replicate special. That usually sets people
up fail. But we have some really uh let's call
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it bright people that are still in the building looking
forward to working with him and and going to It's
interesting too for James to go from where he did.
One of my mentors, uh that I'm fortunate to have
Jim Collins, who wrote the book Good the Great. Uh.
You know, one of his mantras is just get the
right on the bus and then figure out what seat
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to put him in. And James Ladstone's the epitome of
that statement when when we when we decided to bring
James on, didn't necessarily have a seat, didn't know what
seat it was gonna be. Uh. And then Parady moon
and then eventually he's probably driving the bus.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Appreciate that, Adam a less. Just to circle back to
the Cooper for a second, he has a roster bonus
due next week. Do you expect to have some kind
of resolution on his situation by that date that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, the roster bonuses is definitely a if there
is a deadline in this situation, that is that that
that roster date does weigh a good bit in the
algorithm of the formula that that we're working through.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
And after you came to terms with Matthew a couple
hours later, you come to terms with Alaric. As you're
going through that situation with Matthew, how much are you
preparing parallel paths for either outcome and how different were
those potential scenarios for this roster?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think the I think let's just take the case
of you know, Alaric. I think that that one that one, hey,
we wanted him back as our left tackle, so that
one definitely might have stayed the same, But it would
be if we were to have moved on from Matthew,
that that would have definitely taken us down a one
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eighty of a path per se.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
For sure, what made getting a deal done with Aleric
prior to free agency a priority for you?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think that because we at the end of the day,
I think it was this we wanted him back. He
wanted to be a ram so it became a win
win situation. But we were fully prepared for maybe to
get into the window, for him to to to look
around to see what might be. I mean a lot
of times I don't consider that, let's call it a
player reps looking to go somewhere else, but it is
(07:52):
probably that opportunity too to gather the let's go it
as close to what my the market value or what
other people are willing to pay as you can get
to uh, you know, during the phases right now, you
can you can gather information, uh, make educated guesses. You
get through the window, you can probably even get write
(08:15):
a deal presented to you. So at the end of
the day, though it was it was it was really really,
let's call it fulfilling on both sides to know, hey,
we we were part of bringing him in as a
college free agent, and then right he exceeded those expectations
became a starter. So at the end of the day,
we both wanted to work together and continue that partnership
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as well.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
The last time we all spoke with you, there was
a lot of uncertainty at tackle with Aleric being a
pending free agent and Rob deciding on his future with
them both back in the fold for next year. How
much flexibility does that certainty at tackle now give you
as you prepare for free agency in the draft.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, that it definitely gives you flexibility when you have
a void at a position that's not everyone on the
planet can do easy not not as easily replaced. Uh,
and not many available weather draft free agency. Uh, it definitely.
It's definitely a void that screams at you, barks at you.
You know it's there, so uh and and and let's
(09:18):
just take it to the draft. You could go to
the draft and now instead of adding to what we
what we finished with last year, it's almost like you
you might have to use rite a really good draft
pick just to hopefully get back to even from last year.
So uh, it's a it's a It allows us to now,
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like I said, have flexibility to maybe, at least on paper,
subjectively go add instead of just replaced. Thank you, Jordan.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Heylus.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Hey, Jordan's wondering obviously, Uh, it won't officialize until the
start of the lead year, but wondering how the Jonah
Jackson situation unfolded and.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Kind of reverse engineering start to finish that process from
signing him last year, what you guys maybe learned from
from that situation or took from the situation overall.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I think I'd summarized that we had too many good
guards on the roster. All of them wanted to play,
so we thought it was in the best interests of
all parties to move on. I think that at the
end of the day, it's a lesson in decision making
and that I always like to say Tom Tayls that
you know tells the tale. But we've talked about it, Jordan.
(10:35):
I think you may have interviewed me, you might have
written something on it. You know, there was an element
of a conundrum there. We attempted to move Steve Avila
the center. Wasn't like it was a wild guest. He
played center in college. It's different playing center in the NFL.
It's different playing center Stalla McVay. But when we did
move Steve the center. It's one thing going through Ota
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is once we got to the stressful portion of the
let's call the training of Steve tois to center, and
that'd be training camp. Both Jonah and Steve injured. So
once we got to the season, and that's even more
stressful than the training camp. Uh. We attempted it maybe
once in the Miami game, things like that. It was
(11:17):
it just came very clear, you know what, we've run
out of time with this experiment, and at that point
we had dug ourselves a whole in that regular season,
so we didn't have margin for training new centers. We
went with the lineup we had. We got to the
end of the season and felt like this was the
best thing moving forward. But as I said, did that's
the tim always tells the tale, and you know, we
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just we discussed keeping Jonah, but it would probably have
taken to you you probably need to play all three
at guard and some some rotation to keep everyone happy.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Sean has mentioned a few times since Friday that this
will be a year to year situation with Matthew, and
obviously as long as he wants to keep playing, you
guys would love to have him at that high level
of play. Kind of wondering how you will approach looking
at this situation in the now and then looking at
(12:14):
adding a long term potential incoming quarterback for whenever Matthew
does decide that that he's done, how you guys will
approach that this year and beyond.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I think you had you, we probably would approach
it asap. I do think the part of the equation
that's the hardest of that equation is it's one thing
to identify a QB. It's another to actually be able
to acquire him. But let's say we did and that
person could learn under Matthew, that's probably only beneficial. I
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just think it's, you know, two things about that equation.
Even if we identified someone, sometimes it's hard to acquire,
and then you get into okay, wait a minute, we
do have Matthew, and again we want to chase special,
whatever special may be. So maybe it's best in that
moment to trap another position player and keep going that way.
(13:05):
So you're always balancing those two things. But finding the
next QB, that one, that one, it's easier said than done.
I think we've seen that over the course of history.
Green Bay Packers may be doing a nice job.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
Obviously, some decisions on some of your own guys coming up,
as well as free agency on the defensive line specifically.
I know, you know Bobby Lorel, a couple guys you'll
have decisions to make on. But I wonder if the
I guess emergence of that group as a whole last
year would prevent or preclude you guys from adding more
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of a high profile veteran and free agency or via trade.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I think what we've done since we since we talked
last you know, you know, prioritizing the rejuvenation. But get
back in and go, okay, you know what are ways
with additions? You know, let's call it to people or
in other ways? Hey, can we continue trying right to
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make the bet of giving us the Rams an edge
going into next year and for years after that. Again,
we mentioned in the Jonah Jackson's situation, right, you can
do things on paper on blueprint and it doesn't work.
But right now, that's that's the goal. Right now, Let's
continue trying to do things this offseason to give us
an edge not only next year but in years to come.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
And then forgive me quick follow up with Akello being
a starter for you guys last year, especially through the
back stretch of the season alongside Darius. Is he somebody
who you will keep an open conversation with throughout definitely?
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Thanks?
Speaker 8 (14:55):
Whyant hey less, could you describe the responsibilities of like
the scouting departments as you guys are preparing for the draft,
and how they kind of communicate with you, and if
that's kind of a collective conversation or if it's you know,
more one on one.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Here's what you know. I would say this the best mode,
most efficient, probably more impactful mode of communication is the
is the way we input our evaluations, our assessments, analyzes
what have you into the system, and at that point
(15:35):
I can read what everyone is trying to articulate and
and really compare to where there is where there is
organic descent, where there's organic agreement, and that's probably the
best way. But yes, there sometimes there's sometimes there's large
(15:55):
group meetings, Sometimes there's more intimate meetings. Sometimes there's one
on one phone calls. Sometimes there's just the old natural
how we communicate. They someone maybe at a pro date,
gets really really jacked about something or disturbed about something,
and and it's it's it's a simple text. But at
the end of the day, I do think, uh, the
(16:16):
the way we structure and how everyone's uh let's call
it voice is not necessarily heard but read, analyzed and
uh assessed is probably the best way we communicate.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
And uh, I know you said that obviously you can't
replace James Gladstone, but what are some of the responsibilities
that maybe other people are gonna have to you know,
pick up with, uh, you know, without him around.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And that's a that's a that's a. They're definitely a
long list. Hey, Jordan, maybe you get back on and
help out you. You kind of spent some time going
through our system, but I would take a long time
to name them now at the end of the day.
But as as as the director of scouting, scouting strategy,
I mean, he definitely was someone who, let's call it
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connected that collective together. He was definitely someone who articulated
the vision that we had to them and what we
were trying to accomplish in the missions of each phase.
Thank you, Greg Heylas. How you doing. How's it going? Greg?
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Not bad?
Speaker 10 (17:30):
Not bad? Hey, Uh, I want to ask you. You had
to renew those vows with Matthew the past two offseasons.
Before that, you had some uncertainty, at least outside the building,
whether your head coach still wanted to be a coach
or whether ad wanted to play again. It seems stressful
to be you and all that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right there, you go answered the question.
Speaker 10 (17:47):
Let's get say, it just seems stressful when all that
existential stuff is going on with like the foundational pieces
of what you're building as a GM. What's your middle approach?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Is it just such as life? Uh? Probably and and
Tom will tell, But it's interesting you It's what we
always say that last year doesn't equal this year. You
know a lot of times I always go and I
think you'll have heard me say it in this And
I talked with my kids a lot about it because
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they're they're into this med and football, and you know,
it's like, oh, we you just take last year and
you as we mentioned earlier in the talking about the
signing of Leric, right, and you just add or you
just place at the end of the day, each team
right based on I call it the dark matter that
(18:37):
you just mentioned, is very very different, right. And it
can show up psychologically, mentally, and even it can show
up physically if someone's hey, maybe they maybe they have
maybe they had one, two or three many more reps
than they should have last year and they haven't recovered
as much, and it shows up in something It drags on,
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but each year is different. I call it the dark
matter of sports teams. It's it's not Madden. There's there's
a as we say, there's a there's definitely a team,
and and the whole key is trying to engineer team competence.
The team's made up of individuals, but you know, some
individuals are going through right, really tough things personally and
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that might be during the course of a month during
the season that no one really knows. But hey, they're
not as we all are. We can't. We don't always
come to work and make an a that day. But okay,
is a cqlus all you can give that day? That's
all I mean, that's just as I said, such is life.
But you just hit the nail on the head. But
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it's it's definitely something that we like to somewhat identify
and intentionally try to I'm not I don't know if
the word is solid, but intentionally try to work through
all those variables so that when we do get to
ant uh, there's the least amount of distractions as possible
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and this team can then go and attempt to reach
its potential, whatever potential it might be. Makes sense. Uh.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
The other thing with with Cooper almost certainly leaving UH,
you know, you've had a really good dynamic in that
room with Cooper and Puoka, you know, the the veteran
and the and the and the young and the young
young prospect. Do you think Puoka is ready to be
not only a number one receiver in production, but in
terms of the leadership and tone setting in the receiver
room that he's going to have to do. And then
also when you look to add to that room that
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this month, as everybody assumes you will, how important will
veteran leadership be in your shopping?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I think you, I think that, I think number I
think on the Puka question, from a standpoint of skill
set production, I think it's fair for us to ask
him continue to evolve being a go to guy, being
a part of a again, of a group, of the
collective and not necessarily right. We're not asking him to
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score every point tonight, but there's gonna be times where
he's gonna need to rebound, times where he needs to Uh,
let's call it play defense. End of the day. Each
each humans coded differently on what type of leader they
can be, how well of a leader they can be,
and sometimes in sports, UH, it might be best to
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just ask that player if we're going to use or
continue the basketball analogy is, hey, continue just right being
the scoring machine that you are and being right, let's
call it the defensive player that you are, and we'll
we'll find someone else to come Lea. I'm not saying
that's the case with Pooka. What I'm what I'm saying
is sometimes it's not beneficial to say, oh, we're losing
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someone like Cooper. You take on the entire load that
will probably happen naturally grow into it. So we'll probably
be more wise to say, you know what, Pookah and
going actually don't necessarily have to be a one h
And when I say that, that might mean there's some
days where the other team's going to cloud you and
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guess what, whoever two three four is, you know what,
we're gonna have to pass the ball to you, and
you know what, you're in the big leagues and now
you can make the shot, so it'll evolve a game
the game. I think that's our approach. Thank you, Maria.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Hey les just too of them to run down a
couple more players. What's you're feeling about resigning DeMarcus Robinson?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know what, we're still working through all those situations.
He does how some things, right, you know that he's
got to work through legally off the season that can
prevent some playtime in the future. So that's the reality.
That's what you have to work through. We appreciate what
he's definitely done.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
What about Tyler Higbee, Tyler's on the roster, so we
definitely plan for him to be there.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think going back to you know, the question about
who can leadership it, Tyler's definitely someone that that clues
the offense, clues the defense, and probably even the special teams. Right,
got a lot of young specialists and some guys covering
kicks and trying to block. He's one of those humans
that does that. And you know, we really really appreciate that,
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and I know he's really jacked to say, Hey, I'm
a little more than that. I'm getting healthier now and
I'd like to continue right making an impact on offense.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
All right, thank you, and then we'll rop with Nick
and then Jim.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Hey, let's how you doing.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I am good? How about you?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well? Doing great? I wanted to ask you as you
guys prepare for the upcoming draft. There's been a couple
of players obviously that have really had some dominant college
football season. Have you had a chance to on you
and your staff had a chance to take a look
at someone like a Terrence Ferguson, for example, out of Oregon.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Oh, come on, I mean gotta love the Oregon Ducks.
I'm not going to tell you whether I've watched Terrence
or not. What numbers here again, Eddie want oh that guy? Yeah?
The answer be yes. I don't want to get into
you know, names and showing cards. If I wasn't on
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active active duty and you know, right trying to help
give the rams and edge, we could sit down and
do a podcast together and I'd be a lot more
open understandable.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
When you're going into the draft, for example, when you're
looking at obviously various players that you feel that can
potentially add to this roster. Off the field, what are
some of the things that you're looking at from any
of the players that you feel that would be a
great fit inside the locker room?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think I think the number one thing off the
field is is we like to look at players who,
let's call it their their consistent habits, consistent patterns of
behavior show that football is a priority that not only
as getting better as an individual is a priority. But
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also helping the team that they were a part of
win games is a priority, and we like to say, look,
we'd like to just identify those players, right, invite them
to partner with us, and then they just show up
and then our staff right can amplify what they do.
And there's no energy spent other than right trying to
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get better at football individually and also helping the team
become as competent as possible. Anything other than that is
probably a distraction. Going back to the dark matter I
mentioned earlier to Greg, Right, if you got to drag
them in of the building and beg him to try
to be great over time in a partnership, there's usually
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some wear and tear that compounds, and you know, we'd
rather just write, everyone get here and let's go try
to dominate our roles.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Absolutely. Last one for me, Jordan went in and what
was your assessment of him last season?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
He would be one of those guys that fits that
we knew if we right partnered with Jordans sometime in
the draft that he would show up and write just
be himself, and at the end of the day, I
bet he would write at some point become a four
core contributor on special teams and definitely have the capacity
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to find a role as a contributor on the offensive
side of the ball. So you know, he did nothing
differently than he did at Texas, except we just gave
him the opportunity. Thanks a lot, less appreciate it, Jim.
Speaker 11 (26:59):
Jim, hey Las, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
First of all, enjoy.
Speaker 11 (27:08):
Mine's kind of a big picture sort of question. And
you've been doing this long enough and you kind of
get the conflict between trying to put the best team
you can on the field and dealing with what can
be a strict salary cap. Was there a point early
on that you kind of railed against it or fought
it or kind of or it was irritating or what
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have you, And at some point you just kind of decide, Hey,
this is this is what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Let's make it work. In terms of a rail against
the salary cap orl yeah, in terms of frustration that
that you can't get everything done that you want to
get done, I would I would probably try to frame
it as if you ever get frustrated, Uh, does your
frustrate actually changed the reality? Probably not so end of
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the day, there's a reality I think I mentioned before,
and in each case there's there's definitely trade offs to
that reality uh and right, where there's never gonna be
a perfect contract, there's never gonna be a perfect team.
I think that's what makes the NFL probably great because
there is an element of uh right, pure competitiveness every
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year and that's probably why people like to watch it.
So end of the day, there's no uh, there's no
perfect uh, there's no ideal. There's a lot of trade offs.
But within that, let's try to be right the best
we can possibly be the within the reality of the system.
So I'm probably like you said, however many years I'm
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into this, if I'm starting to get frustrated, I probably
need to just take a walk or a run and
go you know what, this is reality, Let's make the
most of it.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Are there?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Now? Last question?
Speaker 11 (29:02):
Are there times that you look over at Andrew Friedman
with the Dodgers and maybe you know, wee bit envious
that you can't just go out and get everything you need.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You know, I've never been envious of Andrew. I've only
been impressed anytime I've gotten the chance to hear him
listen to him. Obviously brilliant person, and what they've done there, right,
that's their reality, and I think they've definitely made the
most of their reality, or at least they come close
to making the most of it every year. So it's
(29:35):
a different sport, different different parameters, but only thoroughly impressed
with you know how they run that operation over there, Okay,
And then what's need is is I can't stay this
gym in the end. Even though there's a lot of differences.
When people are usually right on that stage or in
their case, probably in a locker room with a lot
(29:57):
of plastic and everybody's shaken up champagne or beer, what
have you, it does seem like the end result of
actually being the one team too right climb to the
mountaintop usually ends the same with a lot a lot
of people, really really in a state of euphoria for
(30:19):
not necessarily probably going let's call it individually four for four,
striking out three in a game, but for everyone in
that locker room chasing great and actually fulfilling that greatness.
Speaker 11 (30:33):
I lied to I have one more question that just
came up while I While you were answering that one,
do you have a chance to talk to your counterparts
in other sports, and you know, differing systems, but the
same stresses, you know what.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
We actually do, probably not enough. It's interesting because there
is an element of either one. It's one of us
is in the let's call it end season and and
we're kind of going through the ebbs and flows of
the emotions of either winning a game that week or
(31:08):
the night before or losing a game. And then there's
rarely that time where we're all just hanging out at
the beach. And then the off seasons in these sports
can be at an end season pace. But the answer
is yes, it's always really really cool to see how
other people do it and kind of like, as we said,
the parameters and reality they're working with and actually taking
(31:32):
let's call it some version. Anytime I do that, when
you get a chance, there's a nugget I write down
and go, you know what, let's try to implement that
with the RAMS. So I would say, yes, but not enough,
thank you very much. All right, looks like we're all set.
(31:52):
Thanks less hey, thank y'all.
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