March 29, 2025 • 19 mins
Looking for ways to support and nourish the delicate skin around your mouth? Leigh and Kelly share their expert advice on strengthening this often-overlooked area with product recommendations from budget-friendly options to professional treatments.
Plus, the beauty gurus get refreshingly honest about ingredients they think are totally overhyped! From topical collagen to beef tallow (yes, really), find out which trendy ingredients might not be delivering on their promises.
And don't miss Kelly's shocking nail fungus confession and Leigh's self-tanner mishap in this week's host hacks segment!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
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Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
On Hey producer Steph here dropping into Nothing to Wear
with your weekly You Beauty Fix. This week on You
Beauty Leak, Kelly got to talking about all the trendy
and often overhyped ingredients, whether or not they're actually worth
it and delivering on their promises.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Enjoy makeup is my therapy, the love. I'm obsessed and
I don't even feel guilty body.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello and welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for
Your Face.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly McCarron and it's Monday.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
But before we get into our actual episode, we do
need to remind you.
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Make sure you vote, don't be a volte Okay, oh wow, Okay,
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Products, because that's how we know what's great and how
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We want to hear what you love in the Land
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Speaker 4 (01:34):
Today, We've got a question from a ub about ingredients
we don't rate that much. Don't don't dunk dun scandalous.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I couldn't help, but wonder asked me anything. You ask many.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Questions, but first a question from Cassier. Hi, ladies, I've
been meaning to email for a long time, but heard
you say on the pod that we could DM you
our questions. See here I am. My question is how
do we support our mouth area to age gently? For
some reason, I thought it was the eyes aged first,
But I'm in my late thirties and my old hormone
(02:07):
latne seems to have weakened this around to my mouth
and now I'm getting deep lines, uneven texture, and skin
that is so sensitive and prone to redness. I most
wish we could go back to wearing masks. Please help.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh cass here, Oh yeah, I remember wearing masks.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I mean It's true our eyes we often think, oh no,
first signs of wrinkles and crows feetn But your mouth
is doing just as much moving with just as much
muscles as our eyes, if not more, because your eyes
kind of just open and shut.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Your mouth chews and smiles.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And do you say you've had hormonal acne around that area,
which will definitely weaken the skin and the skin barrier
and of course create sensitivity.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So you've got a few things going on there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
First thing they'll say, if you went to a clinic
to look into treatments, they'd say, don't use the straw.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was going to say few vape or smoke, yes,
And it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
A straw is like, you know you're doing that, but
come on, I mean, straws are bannd anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But there's a few other things that you can do.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think you need barrier support in that area because
you do have kind of I guess we can skin.
As you say, it sounds like you're very across what's happened.
You just don't know how to fix it. Deep lines.
Nothing really topically is going to help there. Retinol will
help a little bit, and that would also help even
out your skin tone. It sounds like we're also dealing
with some sensitivity. As you say, you're prone to redness.
(03:23):
So let's just not worry about the lines because I
think once the area is looking a bit more uniform,
you won't worry too much. I would use sort of
a barrier support serum or skincare targeted around that area.
It doesn't have to say mouth, but these ones will help.
So we've got a Noxa which is all formulated for
sensitive skin. They've got the anti wrinkle and Firming Facial
(03:44):
serum full price twenty five dollars. At the time of recording,
I'm looking at it for fifteen dollars, so it's affordable
and all of a. Noxa is really kind of gentle
and formulated for reactive or sensitive skin, so that's going
to work great. The good old TVH Rebound serum is
all about strengthening the skin, the barrier and kind of
making it glowy and plump again. Fifty dollars. I love
(04:08):
that serum. Move who has another option. It's called the
MUGU Amplified Anti Aging Peptide Active Serum and it is
forty dollars and as we know, MUGU is all sort
of natural and partly organic, and you know, you can
get anti aging products that are really still mild and
gentle and not going to flare anything up. No, not
super expensive. Don't forget. I've talked about it a few
(04:30):
times now, the set of Feel Healthy renew range that
launched last year. That facial serum is fantastic. So it's
an anti aging serum, but it's specifically formulated for sensitive
skin and it's still going to do the job without
causing any irritation.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So you can kind.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Of get an anti aging serum. You're gonna have to
wait a while. It's not gonna work overnight. I would very,
very very mildly exfoliate the area because I think you're
probably not because you're concerned about the weakened skin. So
I would use a pha which is kind of the
most mild form of exfoliant, and probably even just in
a cleanser might be enough, because you don't want something
(05:07):
all over your face. I love the Neostra to Restore
Fragrance free facial cleanser that is at Chemist Warehouse, and
I think full price it's quite expensive fifty five bucks,
but at the time of recording, its half price, or
you could use a really gentle pha kind of swipe
like you know, chemical exolient, like a liquid step the
Trinny London. It's called tiptoe In because it's a very
(05:29):
very very gentle mild exolient and you could use that
maybe just once a week because it's going to help
boost radiance and promote cell turnover in this area, which
is going to kind of help a little bit with everything.
Last but not least I mentioned it. It was my
saving gosh a month or two ago. Now it's the
harder Larbo anti aging deep wrinkle corrector for eye and
mouth area. Now, look, nothing topical is going to correct
(05:53):
or erase deep wrinkles. But it's just a beautiful sort
of concentrated think of an I cream, but can be
used around the eyes and the mouth. So everything could be.
Everything could be, but a place that has a lot
of mobility, and the lines are basically from using those muscles.
That is at price line for thirty five dollars. I
really love that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So it's a tricky one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think if you're really concerned about the lines, that's
probably a cosmetic procedure in terms of injectables, but just
the redness and strengthening and kind of weakened skin beautiful
barrier support with juicy serums.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Do you have any Well, you can probably guess what
I'm going to suggest. I can't. Oh, skin needling.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Ah yeah, I'm going to recommend that to Cassier Books
in for like a bunch of sessions of skin needling,
because that is going to help you so much with
the deep lines, like softening them a little bit. It's
going to encourage more collagen to come to your skin.
It's going to help with the uneven texture. It's generally
(06:51):
okay with sensitive and red skin. However, the skin therapist
will be able to monitor that correct and it's going
to be really good just with the weakened skin because
it strengthens it back up because the needles are basically
creating like little micro injuries that the collagen then comes
to the surface and so creating more collagen.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Skin is strong as shit, Like, yeah, you're strongest.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I literally used to go red after so many different products,
and now my skin barrier is likesh.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I've not hurt me.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, and even LED can help strengthen it as well. Yeah, well,
they usually will do an LED after Yeah, exactly. I mean,
I wonder if you want stuff for home, and yes,
there's definitely in clinic things that you can do that
will be faster and more effective, but of course a
lot more expensive, yes, But also SBF in that area
is so, so, so important because you're often wiping your
(07:41):
mouth or replaying your lippy and that area doesn't really
get a lot like you will put it on first
thing in the morning, but it's probably the first place
that your sunscreen's removed.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, unfortunate, but yeah, give those a try.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
All. Right after the break, we've got a question from
Nicolash a little bit of a scandalous question, if you will,
about ingredients we don't rate that much, so.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Nicolette has asked.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So there's so many products and ingredients that it's obviously
not possible for one person to use all the ingredients
in their routine. So I want to know from my
two gurus, are there any ingredients in skin care or
hair care you think are overhyped and not as effective
as everyone?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Don't don't do.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I haven't put my list in the script because I
just wanted to see what each of us said.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
My first one is topical collagen. It feels nice, and
it makes your skin like nice. It's fine, but it
doesn't actually give your skin more collagen. So the molecule
is simply too big to actually be absorbed through your skin.
So whenever something's like, this is a collagen product, well,
what's the point of it?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Agreed? I had it on my list too.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And it's tricky because the word will often be used
in marketing, but it'll be that the ingredient might go
through many steps to produce your own collagen, but topical
collagen doesn't do anything ingestin collagen. On the other hand,
there's a lot of promising studies, but it's something that
you have to really stick out daily for months and
months and months. But yeah, topic good Collagen's kind of
(09:12):
just a bit of a buzz.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, it's not gonna hurt.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No, But there's ingredients that will go in and say
to your own colligen, wake up, get up, do your job.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But that's not collagen. Yes, my first one is beef tallow.
Oh my god, I forgot about that. Continue stop putting
on your face.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm not putting beef anywhere near my head. Well, you
are a vegetarian except when I'm drunk. Cheeseburgers come at me.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
There was an article written for MAMMEA in twenty twenty
four that're or link too in the show notes whereby
someone spoke to actual experts that said beef tallow is
not a.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Good thing to put in your face.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's not shocking, but there is far far better, more
elegant and well formulated products. It can cause breakout. It's
kind of a barrier, really, But if it was this
kind of newly fandangled touted thing all over social media.
I mean, beef that's been around for millions of years,
we've kind of would have known how great it was already.
So it's just kind of one of those things that's
(10:06):
come up on social media. Everyone's like, then just slap
when everyone was doing it with coconut oil too, you know,
oh yuh Yeah. It doesn't smell great, doesn't feel great,
and there's like specific skin care that I think is
better rather than beef fat on your face.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Bacucciole, I hate it when companies want to market as
a retinol alternative.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's not absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's fine, yeah, but would I ever purchase a product
because it was like we've got the cuchil in it,
and it's a retinal alternative. No, I had the exact
same thing, So I think bacucciol is fantastic. It's you know,
a naturally derived ingredient. It's very good antioxid and it's
got great anti inflammatory properties.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Let's not market it as a retinant today. It's just silly.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, it's like saying peas and carrots are the same.
It's like, yeah, they're vegetables, but they're very different. So
great ingredient but marketed as good as or you know,
really similar to retinol, is I think while accurate.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So I've got two more. Okay go. Essential oils, Yeah,
they're dangerous.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I love essential oils, but they are huge irritant for
the skin. Only a few companies in the entire world
produce efficacious essential oil based products, yes, that are actually
going to do good because they've done the research and
development to formulate proper products.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So the rest are just like kitchen.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Brewed, useless and irritating potions hidden behind green washing.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Marketing essential oil just sounds really harmless and really from the.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Spot it can bring on labor. Yes, they're insane.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
As someone who has a small business that formulates pregnancy
skin care. I know exactly how tricky it is. There's
some that can bring on labor. There's many that are
toxic to cats and dogs. Many that will burn your
skin if applied topically, so you know a little bit
here and there as a fragrance or whatever. But it's
like a diffuser or yes, of course, but just going oh,
(11:54):
it's essential oils, Like I have heard people drinking them
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Like, oh, dear lord, yes, have you got anything else?
Homemade sunscreen? Oh God's And that's not.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Really ingredient, but it's just like a if you're making
a sunscreen in a new kitchen, people think, oh it's homemade.
No no, oh no, yeah, you know what skin care
made in your kitchen. In general, just don't do it.
You've got no idea what mixing different products can actually
does to than your skin.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's so dangerous.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Two quick ones for me, which Hazel, I get it.
I just don't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It love it on my pits. It's very astringent.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So it was often news and still is as a
tona step, but it's very strong and can really like
it can be great for some sort of forms of acne,
but generally or strippy skin barrier compromise your skin.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You'd have to pay me a lot of money to
want me to put it on my face. But I
do love it on my.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Pits, yeah, because it's very like a stringent and gets
all the gunk out. Last one for me, snailed is.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Oh, for goodness sake, to be fair, The funny thing
is it doesn't have a lot of science bind it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
This is a personal one.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So snail musin is sourced from snails, apparently ethically, and
it is very hydrating.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Look, it is very hydrating, but there's science behind it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
There's got a lot, a lot of conclusive studies. I've
used the products, I've got some with it, and it's fine.
But I find that vegan versions of hydration are just
as good or if not better. So it's not like
I'll go seek out a product with snail musein in it.
If it's in there and I like the product, fine,
but I'm not like, oh, snow immusein changed my skin.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I just don't think it's you know, it's worth That's
all it's cracked up by. Some people agree.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
After the break, Lee's gonna tell me why her hands
are white and the rest of her body is a
different shade.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
What a new.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Ma Croup hacks?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, my host hack is to do what I did
not do.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Firstly, can we acknowledge that both of us are beauty experts,
and Lee has tanned arms and white hands, and I
have got tanned webs of my finger.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I always get it between my finger. I just forget
when it's a gradual that I need to wash my
hands afterwards.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
We both obviously recently did gradual. I did a gradual
tan last night. I'm good at my ankles now. I
always put like a very lightweight lotion on my ankles
and feet, and now I've got that blending perfectly. But
because I want to wash the gradual, which has no
guide color off, I washed my hands with soap and everything,
and I forget to blend at my wrists later. I
got to bed work up this morning, run around like
(14:29):
a mad person to get here in time. And guess
what I forgot to do, which normally works. I normally
get out of BHA, so I'm a Paula's choice, a
bit of a cotton pad, and then I just go science.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Every week you've got the science. I am a mad.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Scientist, you really are, and just your whole personal brand. Well,
anyone that actually knows you, if they just follow you
on INSTI in their public she's a professional lead, an
absolute lunatic. Just at home with your potions because I.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Grew up on acreage and we had TV, but I
just was always like making things in in the shed
and whatever. Anyway you could get lemon juice people have
used now Porscha mover. I don't really want to scrub
too much of the skin. You just get a cotton
pad with BHA, which is a stronger chemical expoliant than AHA,
and you just do you swipe a swipe.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Look, it's not going to make are you saying you
did it though or didn't?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, I rank god because it doesn't like good.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But usually what I would do because there's quite a
line there is just blended out. It's not gonna make
it perfect. It makes it less like why have you
got gloves on? Yes, it looks like I've got white
gloves on, and then yes, so I would normally just
do that if I've worken up the next morning instant
it's too late obviously, i'd try and blend with a
cream if I remember after washing my hands, and then
you're in that cycle of I've got cream on a
washing it anyway, BHA to fix any dodgy tan, good one,
(15:39):
thank you?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What's yours? What the actual f I have? Nail fungus? Oh,
it looks like you've got a smiley face on your finger.
What happened? I asked them to cut it right back.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So I thought that for like a year, I've just
had a really bad bruise on my finger.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh no, and because it's on my toe under my
nail color.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So every time I've gone to SNS, they ask me,
like I get SNS probably like once every three weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your fingers gel like yell.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, just it doesn't chip, and they sort of ask
me about it or have a few times and I'm like, oh,
it's just a bruise.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Anyway. The last time I got.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
It, the now technician was like, no, no, you need
like an anti fungal cream.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And I was like, yuck, because that mean I've got
a fungal toe.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes began you know what I did, because I've got
geled on my toes too. I had it removed and
I was convinced that I had melanoma because Bob Marley
had melanoma on his toe and that's how he died.
So I went and had a skin check and I said,
is this melanoma? And he said no, and I was
like great, and got myn ale polished black.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Why didn't he tell you he's not a fungus doctor. Yeah, no,
but he's a doctor.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So anyway, so after that lady said that to me,
I was like, ill, But I just imagined that I'd
go into a pharmacy get like a spray to spray
into the nail or some week and I'd be fine. Anyway,
The lady was like absolutely not, because I said, well,
who really cares? Because she said, you cannot wear now
polish on the fungus while it's growing out.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I just feel my toe hurting because.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
That just stops it and breathing exactly. And you need
to put the fungus stuff on like a filed down
nail and let it breathe until it completely grows out.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
There's gonna be four months of my life.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Well, at least we're going into winter, so you'll be
wearing socks. What am I supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
What happens if I just leave my quote unquote bruis nail.
I'm glad that you asked, because I asked. I was like,
does it really matter? Like, yeah, it's just got color
on top. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
A little little funger. It's like, it's not hurting anyone,
it's not hurting me. Incorrect. Oh god, it can spread
to all of your other nails, and then it can
go into your blood stream. Literally get really sick and
have to take something that's quite bad for your kidneys.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Why didn't my skin cancer doctor tell me this is
what I'm saying, like, this is my farm.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
He doesn't know. He just knows. It wasn't a melanoma.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah maybe, like that's the thing. It could be a bruise,
but if you've had it for a while, it's probably not.
Because I thought mine was a bruise. Anyway, we're disgusting.
We are disgusting. Why are we both fungi? So the
thing is as well? What got called it's I mean, listen,
I'm not a doctor. Everyone go to a doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I did you use that?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, it's called lossyl. It's an anti fungal nail treatment.
Eighty dollars oh lord, but you just put it on
once a week, but nothing on top, and you to
file your nail down before you can, but like not
all the time, but yes, to go out in public.
I will be putting a bandit I did today because
you want to show me, I want to show you
my disgusting like, well, god, it's vile.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Anyway, this was a very good medical PSA. As we're
not doctors, please go to your dot.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Please go to a doctor. But it might not be
a bruise.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And just because it doesn't hurt and doesn't bother you,
it should still be looked into.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And it can like no one wants to be walking
around with gross snailes, like imagine if all of my
fingers look like that. At least it's just one.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Anyway, on that point, we are two fun guys. Thank
you for listening. If you have a question, send us
a DM at you Biddy podcast and our producer will
pass it on to a SA SAP and we'll have
a little shout about it and maybe on.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
The podge You Beauty is produced by Cassie Merrick, with
audio production by Tiagan Sutler and video production by Marlena Cacciotti.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Don't forget to vote in the You Beauty Awards the
links in the show notes, and we'll see you on Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Bye,
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
On Hey producer Steph here dropping into Nothing to Wear
with your weekly You Beauty Fix. This week on You
Beauty Leak, Kelly got to talking about all the trendy
and often overhyped ingredients, whether or not they're actually worth
it and delivering on their promises.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Enjoy makeup is my therapy, the love. I'm obsessed and
I don't even feel guilty body.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello and welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for
Your Face.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly McCarron and it's Monday.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
But before we get into our actual episode, we do
need to remind you.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Make sure you vote.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Make sure you vote, don't be a volte Okay, oh wow, Okay,
so clearly Lee doesn't have my talents with the jingles.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's true you made up of spending Savier. The YOUU
Beauty Awards are on and voting is open. We want
to hear from every single U be It's your turn
to have your say.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
We want you to tell us your favorite.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Products, because that's how we know what's great and how
we discover great new things. Yes, so voting codes is
this coming Sunday. You've got just less than a week,
so jump into the show notes and have your say.
We want to hear what you love in the Land
of Beauty for the twenty twenty five You Beauty Awards.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Today, We've got a question from a ub about ingredients
we don't rate that much. Don't don't dunk dun scandalous.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I couldn't help, but wonder asked me anything. You ask many.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Questions, but first a question from Cassier. Hi, ladies, I've
been meaning to email for a long time, but heard
you say on the pod that we could DM you
our questions. See here I am. My question is how
do we support our mouth area to age gently? For
some reason, I thought it was the eyes aged first,
But I'm in my late thirties and my old hormone
(02:07):
latne seems to have weakened this around to my mouth
and now I'm getting deep lines, uneven texture, and skin
that is so sensitive and prone to redness. I most
wish we could go back to wearing masks. Please help.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh cass here, Oh yeah, I remember wearing masks.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I mean It's true our eyes we often think, oh no,
first signs of wrinkles and crows feetn But your mouth
is doing just as much moving with just as much
muscles as our eyes, if not more, because your eyes
kind of just open and shut.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Your mouth chews and smiles.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And do you say you've had hormonal acne around that area,
which will definitely weaken the skin and the skin barrier
and of course create sensitivity.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So you've got a few things going on there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
First thing they'll say, if you went to a clinic
to look into treatments, they'd say, don't use the straw.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was going to say few vape or smoke, yes,
And it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
A straw is like, you know you're doing that, but
come on, I mean, straws are bannd anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But there's a few other things that you can do.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think you need barrier support in that area because
you do have kind of I guess we can skin.
As you say, it sounds like you're very across what's happened.
You just don't know how to fix it. Deep lines.
Nothing really topically is going to help there. Retinol will
help a little bit, and that would also help even
out your skin tone. It sounds like we're also dealing
with some sensitivity. As you say, you're prone to redness.
(03:23):
So let's just not worry about the lines because I
think once the area is looking a bit more uniform,
you won't worry too much. I would use sort of
a barrier support serum or skincare targeted around that area.
It doesn't have to say mouth, but these ones will help.
So we've got a Noxa which is all formulated for
sensitive skin. They've got the anti wrinkle and Firming Facial
(03:44):
serum full price twenty five dollars. At the time of recording,
I'm looking at it for fifteen dollars, so it's affordable
and all of a. Noxa is really kind of gentle
and formulated for reactive or sensitive skin, so that's going
to work great. The good old TVH Rebound serum is
all about strengthening the skin, the barrier and kind of
making it glowy and plump again. Fifty dollars. I love
(04:08):
that serum. Move who has another option. It's called the
MUGU Amplified Anti Aging Peptide Active Serum and it is
forty dollars and as we know, MUGU is all sort
of natural and partly organic, and you know, you can
get anti aging products that are really still mild and
gentle and not going to flare anything up. No, not
super expensive. Don't forget. I've talked about it a few
(04:30):
times now, the set of Feel Healthy renew range that
launched last year. That facial serum is fantastic. So it's
an anti aging serum, but it's specifically formulated for sensitive
skin and it's still going to do the job without
causing any irritation.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So you can kind.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Of get an anti aging serum. You're gonna have to
wait a while. It's not gonna work overnight. I would very,
very very mildly exfoliate the area because I think you're
probably not because you're concerned about the weakened skin. So
I would use a pha which is kind of the
most mild form of exfoliant, and probably even just in
a cleanser might be enough, because you don't want something
(05:07):
all over your face. I love the Neostra to Restore
Fragrance free facial cleanser that is at Chemist Warehouse, and
I think full price it's quite expensive fifty five bucks,
but at the time of recording, its half price, or
you could use a really gentle pha kind of swipe
like you know, chemical exolient, like a liquid step the
Trinny London. It's called tiptoe In because it's a very
(05:29):
very very gentle mild exolient and you could use that
maybe just once a week because it's going to help
boost radiance and promote cell turnover in this area, which
is going to kind of help a little bit with everything.
Last but not least I mentioned it. It was my
saving gosh a month or two ago. Now it's the
harder Larbo anti aging deep wrinkle corrector for eye and
mouth area. Now, look, nothing topical is going to correct
(05:53):
or erase deep wrinkles. But it's just a beautiful sort
of concentrated think of an I cream, but can be
used around the eyes and the mouth. So everything could be.
Everything could be, but a place that has a lot
of mobility, and the lines are basically from using those muscles.
That is at price line for thirty five dollars. I
really love that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So it's a tricky one.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think if you're really concerned about the lines, that's
probably a cosmetic procedure in terms of injectables, but just
the redness and strengthening and kind of weakened skin beautiful
barrier support with juicy serums.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Do you have any Well, you can probably guess what
I'm going to suggest. I can't. Oh, skin needling.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Ah yeah, I'm going to recommend that to Cassier Books
in for like a bunch of sessions of skin needling,
because that is going to help you so much with
the deep lines, like softening them a little bit. It's
going to encourage more collagen to come to your skin.
It's going to help with the uneven texture. It's generally
(06:51):
okay with sensitive and red skin. However, the skin therapist
will be able to monitor that correct and it's going
to be really good just with the weakened skin because
it strengthens it back up because the needles are basically
creating like little micro injuries that the collagen then comes
to the surface and so creating more collagen.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Skin is strong as shit, Like, yeah, you're strongest.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I literally used to go red after so many different products,
and now my skin barrier is likesh.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I've not hurt me.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, and even LED can help strengthen it as well. Yeah, well,
they usually will do an LED after Yeah, exactly. I mean,
I wonder if you want stuff for home, and yes,
there's definitely in clinic things that you can do that
will be faster and more effective, but of course a
lot more expensive, yes, But also SBF in that area
is so, so, so important because you're often wiping your
(07:41):
mouth or replaying your lippy and that area doesn't really
get a lot like you will put it on first
thing in the morning, but it's probably the first place
that your sunscreen's removed.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, unfortunate, but yeah, give those a try.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
All. Right after the break, we've got a question from
Nicolash a little bit of a scandalous question, if you will,
about ingredients we don't rate that much, so.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Nicolette has asked.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So there's so many products and ingredients that it's obviously
not possible for one person to use all the ingredients
in their routine. So I want to know from my
two gurus, are there any ingredients in skin care or
hair care you think are overhyped and not as effective
as everyone?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Don't don't do.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I haven't put my list in the script because I
just wanted to see what each of us said.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
My first one is topical collagen. It feels nice, and
it makes your skin like nice. It's fine, but it
doesn't actually give your skin more collagen. So the molecule
is simply too big to actually be absorbed through your skin.
So whenever something's like, this is a collagen product, well,
what's the point of it?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Agreed? I had it on my list too.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And it's tricky because the word will often be used
in marketing, but it'll be that the ingredient might go
through many steps to produce your own collagen, but topical
collagen doesn't do anything ingestin collagen. On the other hand,
there's a lot of promising studies, but it's something that
you have to really stick out daily for months and
months and months. But yeah, topic good Collagen's kind of
(09:12):
just a bit of a buzz.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, it's not gonna hurt.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No, But there's ingredients that will go in and say
to your own colligen, wake up, get up, do your job.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But that's not collagen. Yes, my first one is beef tallow.
Oh my god, I forgot about that. Continue stop putting
on your face.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm not putting beef anywhere near my head. Well, you
are a vegetarian except when I'm drunk. Cheeseburgers come at me.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
There was an article written for MAMMEA in twenty twenty
four that're or link too in the show notes whereby
someone spoke to actual experts that said beef tallow is
not a.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Good thing to put in your face.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's not shocking, but there is far far better, more
elegant and well formulated products. It can cause breakout. It's
kind of a barrier, really, But if it was this
kind of newly fandangled touted thing all over social media.
I mean, beef that's been around for millions of years,
we've kind of would have known how great it was already.
So it's just kind of one of those things that's
(10:06):
come up on social media. Everyone's like, then just slap
when everyone was doing it with coconut oil too, you know,
oh yuh Yeah. It doesn't smell great, doesn't feel great,
and there's like specific skin care that I think is
better rather than beef fat on your face.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Bacucciole, I hate it when companies want to market as
a retinol alternative.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's not absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's fine, yeah, but would I ever purchase a product
because it was like we've got the cuchil in it,
and it's a retinal alternative. No, I had the exact
same thing, So I think bacucciol is fantastic. It's you know,
a naturally derived ingredient. It's very good antioxid and it's
got great anti inflammatory properties.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Let's not market it as a retinant today. It's just silly.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, it's like saying peas and carrots are the same.
It's like, yeah, they're vegetables, but they're very different. So
great ingredient but marketed as good as or you know,
really similar to retinol, is I think while accurate.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So I've got two more. Okay go. Essential oils, Yeah,
they're dangerous.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I love essential oils, but they are huge irritant for
the skin. Only a few companies in the entire world
produce efficacious essential oil based products, yes, that are actually
going to do good because they've done the research and
development to formulate proper products.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So the rest are just like kitchen.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Brewed, useless and irritating potions hidden behind green washing.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Marketing essential oil just sounds really harmless and really from the.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Spot it can bring on labor. Yes, they're insane.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
As someone who has a small business that formulates pregnancy
skin care. I know exactly how tricky it is. There's
some that can bring on labor. There's many that are
toxic to cats and dogs. Many that will burn your
skin if applied topically, so you know a little bit
here and there as a fragrance or whatever. But it's
like a diffuser or yes, of course, but just going oh,
(11:54):
it's essential oils, Like I have heard people drinking them
and I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Like, oh, dear lord, yes, have you got anything else?
Homemade sunscreen? Oh God's And that's not.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Really ingredient, but it's just like a if you're making
a sunscreen in a new kitchen, people think, oh it's homemade.
No no, oh no, yeah, you know what skin care
made in your kitchen. In general, just don't do it.
You've got no idea what mixing different products can actually
does to than your skin.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's so dangerous.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Two quick ones for me, which Hazel, I get it.
I just don't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It love it on my pits. It's very astringent.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So it was often news and still is as a
tona step, but it's very strong and can really like
it can be great for some sort of forms of acne,
but generally or strippy skin barrier compromise your skin.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You'd have to pay me a lot of money to
want me to put it on my face. But I
do love it on my.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Pits, yeah, because it's very like a stringent and gets
all the gunk out. Last one for me, snailed is.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Oh, for goodness sake, to be fair, The funny thing
is it doesn't have a lot of science bind it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
This is a personal one.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So snail musin is sourced from snails, apparently ethically, and
it is very hydrating.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Look, it is very hydrating, but there's science behind it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
There's got a lot, a lot of conclusive studies. I've
used the products, I've got some with it, and it's fine.
But I find that vegan versions of hydration are just
as good or if not better. So it's not like
I'll go seek out a product with snail musein in it.
If it's in there and I like the product, fine,
but I'm not like, oh, snow immusein changed my skin.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I just don't think it's you know, it's worth That's
all it's cracked up by. Some people agree.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
After the break, Lee's gonna tell me why her hands
are white and the rest of her body is a
different shade.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
What a new.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Ma Croup hacks?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, my host hack is to do what I did
not do.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Firstly, can we acknowledge that both of us are beauty experts,
and Lee has tanned arms and white hands, and I
have got tanned webs of my finger.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I always get it between my finger. I just forget
when it's a gradual that I need to wash my
hands afterwards.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
We both obviously recently did gradual. I did a gradual
tan last night. I'm good at my ankles now. I
always put like a very lightweight lotion on my ankles
and feet, and now I've got that blending perfectly. But
because I want to wash the gradual, which has no
guide color off, I washed my hands with soap and everything,
and I forget to blend at my wrists later. I
got to bed work up this morning, run around like
(14:29):
a mad person to get here in time. And guess
what I forgot to do, which normally works. I normally
get out of BHA, so I'm a Paula's choice, a
bit of a cotton pad, and then I just go science.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Every week you've got the science. I am a mad.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Scientist, you really are, and just your whole personal brand. Well,
anyone that actually knows you, if they just follow you
on INSTI in their public she's a professional lead, an
absolute lunatic. Just at home with your potions because I.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Grew up on acreage and we had TV, but I
just was always like making things in in the shed
and whatever. Anyway you could get lemon juice people have
used now Porscha mover. I don't really want to scrub
too much of the skin. You just get a cotton
pad with BHA, which is a stronger chemical expoliant than AHA,
and you just do you swipe a swipe.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Look, it's not going to make are you saying you
did it though or didn't?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, I rank god because it doesn't like good.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
But usually what I would do because there's quite a
line there is just blended out. It's not gonna make
it perfect. It makes it less like why have you
got gloves on? Yes, it looks like I've got white
gloves on, and then yes, so I would normally just
do that if I've worken up the next morning instant
it's too late obviously, i'd try and blend with a
cream if I remember after washing my hands, and then
you're in that cycle of I've got cream on a
washing it anyway, BHA to fix any dodgy tan, good one,
(15:39):
thank you?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
What's yours? What the actual f I have? Nail fungus? Oh,
it looks like you've got a smiley face on your finger.
What happened? I asked them to cut it right back.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So I thought that for like a year, I've just
had a really bad bruise on my finger.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh no, and because it's on my toe under my
nail color.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So every time I've gone to SNS, they ask me,
like I get SNS probably like once every three weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Your fingers gel like yell.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, just it doesn't chip, and they sort of ask
me about it or have a few times and I'm like, oh,
it's just a bruise.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Anyway. The last time I got.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
It, the now technician was like, no, no, you need
like an anti fungal cream.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And I was like, yuck, because that mean I've got
a fungal toe.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes began you know what I did, because I've got
geled on my toes too. I had it removed and
I was convinced that I had melanoma because Bob Marley
had melanoma on his toe and that's how he died.
So I went and had a skin check and I said,
is this melanoma? And he said no, and I was
like great, and got myn ale polished black.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Why didn't he tell you he's not a fungus doctor. Yeah, no,
but he's a doctor.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So anyway, so after that lady said that to me,
I was like, ill, But I just imagined that I'd
go into a pharmacy get like a spray to spray
into the nail or some week and I'd be fine. Anyway,
The lady was like absolutely not, because I said, well,
who really cares? Because she said, you cannot wear now
polish on the fungus while it's growing out.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I just feel my toe hurting because.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
That just stops it and breathing exactly. And you need
to put the fungus stuff on like a filed down
nail and let it breathe until it completely grows out.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
There's gonna be four months of my life.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Well, at least we're going into winter, so you'll be
wearing socks. What am I supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
What happens if I just leave my quote unquote bruis nail.
I'm glad that you asked, because I asked. I was like,
does it really matter? Like, yeah, it's just got color
on top. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
A little little funger. It's like, it's not hurting anyone,
it's not hurting me. Incorrect. Oh god, it can spread
to all of your other nails, and then it can
go into your blood stream. Literally get really sick and
have to take something that's quite bad for your kidneys.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Why didn't my skin cancer doctor tell me this is
what I'm saying, like, this is my farm.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
He doesn't know. He just knows. It wasn't a melanoma.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah maybe, like that's the thing. It could be a bruise,
but if you've had it for a while, it's probably not.
Because I thought mine was a bruise. Anyway, we're disgusting.
We are disgusting. Why are we both fungi? So the
thing is as well? What got called it's I mean, listen,
I'm not a doctor. Everyone go to a doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I did you use that?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, it's called lossyl. It's an anti fungal nail treatment.
Eighty dollars oh lord, but you just put it on
once a week, but nothing on top, and you to
file your nail down before you can, but like not
all the time, but yes, to go out in public.
I will be putting a bandit I did today because
you want to show me, I want to show you
my disgusting like, well, god, it's vile.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Anyway, this was a very good medical PSA. As we're
not doctors, please go to your dot.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Please go to a doctor. But it might not be
a bruise.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And just because it doesn't hurt and doesn't bother you,
it should still be looked into.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And it can like no one wants to be walking
around with gross snailes, like imagine if all of my
fingers look like that. At least it's just one.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Anyway, on that point, we are two fun guys. Thank
you for listening. If you have a question, send us
a DM at you Biddy podcast and our producer will
pass it on to a SA SAP and we'll have
a little shout about it and maybe on.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
The podge You Beauty is produced by Cassie Merrick, with
audio production by Tiagan Sutler and video production by Marlena Cacciotti.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Don't forget to vote in the You Beauty Awards the
links in the show notes, and we'll see you on Friday.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Bye,
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