April 22, 2025 • 23 mins
In this episode of Nothing to Wear, Leigh Campbell chats with Instagram styling sensation Sally McKinnon about the subtle tweaks that transform merely wearing clothes into creating polished outfits.
Sally breaks down the current trends including why socks are having a major style moment with everything from ballet flats to sandals, the flattering silhouette of barrel leg jeans (which follow the natural curve of most women's bodies), and why having wardrobe "variety" is the real secret to great style.
They also dive into the versatility of matching sets for winter (think coordinated knits), why oversized blazers aren't going anywhere, and how the modern ballet flat has evolved from its uncomfortable predecessors. Plus, Sally shares both bougie and budget-friendly options for this season's must-have barrel jeans.
Check out Sally's previous episode about ageless dressing here.
BOUJIE & BUDGET PICKS:
Leigh's bougie pick:
UNIQLO Italian Leather Garrison Belt - $49.90
Leigh's budget pick:
BIG W The 1964 Denim Company Women's Oversized Jacket - $35
Sally's boujie pick:
LOEWE Barrel Leg Jeans (indigo blue)
Sally's budget pick:
Cotton On Barrel Leg Jeans (dark indigo) - $70
For more fashion ideas, check out The outfit combinations that will get you compliments with mimimal effort.
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Host: Leigh Campbell
Guest: Sally McKinnon
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the
traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is
recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with
seriously disturbed laurels for spring groundbreaking? Oh my god, you
have to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and
(00:31):
welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell and
every week I chat to an expert who helps us
work out how to get more out of the clothes
we already own and tells us exactly what is and
isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Styling our clothes can
be confusing because truthfully, there's a difference between putting clothes
(00:52):
on and pulling together an outfit, from whether or not
we tuck in our tops, to coordinating colors and even
what we wear our socks with. These are little tweaks
that can make our clothes look more modern, but although
they're subtle, they also change each season. Joining me today
is stylus Sally. Sally is one of my favorite accounts
to follow on Instagram. She shares her innate talent for
(01:15):
style to over two hundred and fifty thousand people just
on that one platform. She really is a service to
us all. So I've asked Sally for her help. We
received a dressing room dilemma from a confused listener and
they basically asked, so are we still doing the half
talk with the shirt anymore? Or is that trend over?
(01:35):
So Sally is here to help me dissect what trends
and tweaks are popular right now and how we can
add a little bit more personality to polish our outfits. Sally,
welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm well, Thank you, Lee, thank you for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Thank you. Honestly, the audience loved your first episode. It
was quite a while ago now, so we'll link it
in the show notes. I called you my TV show. Well,
people I watch on Instagram TV show, You're one of
my favorite shows to watch your life. We recently had
a tear in your beautiful new leather pants, buy your
beautiful shoes, and that was a journey and then it
ended well with a repair.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It did end well, and it was a journey. People
like yourself were very investors in what happened, and obviously
the fix and thankfully I did find an amazing but
expensive blind seamstress in Melbourne who weaved her delicate little fingers,
and she's done a really good job.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I couldn't believe. I screenshot your story to because I
couldn't believe how precise that was. So happy days. It's
nice to have a little escape of a fashion crisis
when the world's kind of burning around do see. Anyway,
Let's start with a few questions about you before we
get into the topic. What is your biggest fashion impulse
purchase you've ever made?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh? Well, this was a really interesting one to think about, Lee,
because I'm really not a very impulsive person. I'm actually
a very considered shopper, and I guess because of what
I do as a personal stylist personal shopper, I'm in
the shops every day, so I see so much. When
I first started my styling business over fifteen years ago,
I literally would find it really hard to leave a
(03:07):
personal shopping session and not buy something myself, Like it
was terrible.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Can you teach a side class of how to not
buy something all the time?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So I've learned to be
much more considered, sleep on things, think about things overnight,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
All right, so today we've received a dressing room dilever,
which is pretty funny and fashion's confusing, so they've said,
are we doing the half shirt tuck anymore? Or is
this trend over? What I wanted to talk to you
about is broadly what's in and what's out, because of
course on nothing to wear an in real life, you
can wear whatever you want. You kentuck, you can untuck,
(03:44):
there are no rules. But every season there's these little
tweaks to even the classic things we wear and how
we wear them. So let's run through some of those.
Get your opinion. But like I said, people can wear
hondies on the head if they want. So let's start
with the shirt tuck, the French tuck, so the front
in and the outsort of back. Are you still seeing that?
(04:05):
Do you do that? Talk to me about tucking.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Over some of them. I talked about maybe starting something
called untucked Tuesday, would you believe? So now you're kind
of talking the opposite. So I'm actually experimenting as I
am today with untucked looks. Yes, and just depending on
my mood and what I'm wearing, sometimes I'll tuck. Sometimes
I'll completely untucked, but I've probably stopped doing that French
(04:32):
slash half tuck. I kind of commit either way, so
I feel like I'm either committing to the full tuck
or the complete untuck.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Interesting and me too, but I used to be such
a French tuck kind of goal.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, I think sometimes obviously, if you're wearing Lucy Goosey
on top and bottom, sometimes just a little front side
tuck just helps to obviously visually make your legs look longer,
maybe draw the eye, create a little bit of a waste,
Like it's just about creating a little bit more balance
in your outfit. But yeah, pretty much I'm either committing.
(05:07):
It's either leaning really into the tuck with a full
and or leaning completely away from tucking.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I'm the same. Like at the moment, I've got
high waisted jeans on and just a plain unicloate in
a belt, so I've tucked because otherwise it would feel
a bit whatever, a bit too undone. But then I
think Copenhagen fashion style influence for me, I've been doing
sort of the sheer skirts, but then I'm definitely doing
a shirt or a T shirt untucked basically cover me
the Copenhagen.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Girls. They love a good untucked, don't they. They do
not care whatsoever about showing off their waist.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's so much easier to go to the bathroom, all right.
The next one that we get asked a lot about,
which irritates me sometimes because it seems to be a
generational debate. Socks. Socks seem to be everywhere. Well you
know how millennials or ankle socks and that wasn't cool.
But I'm seeing sock styled with ballet flat and Mary
Jane absolutely, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Speak my language.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I feel a bit advanced though, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You're right. So I started doing a lot of sock
styling last year, socks and colored types. In fact, I've
just ordered another two pairs for winter from this great
company in Adelaide. It's a nice Australian base. I've ordered
a chocolate and a burgundy, of course, yeah, because I've
got a beautiful red from them, which I wore heaps.
But yeah, I really got into socks last year. And
(06:24):
two things I'll say about socks and stockings. A it's
a really interesting way to add a little bit of
visual interest to your outfit, a little bit of quirk,
a little bit of personality. But it does divide opinions
on particularly when you show a sock with a sandal, yeah,
which I love.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I actually do it too. I do too, I've done
it once or twice. I do feel a bit silly,
and I know I need to get that out of
my head. Yeah, I think for me, a sort of
sock with a shoe, obviously not going to the gym,
a sock with a shoe. In terms of like a
flat or a winter thing, I really need time to
plan out that outfit. It's not something I can just
chuck on. I need to marinate in.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It, absolutely, And I think that's like anything in terms
of getting dressing in your style, it should be considered.
And so that's where I built up a collection of
socks that so, for example, I really love a red
sock or a red panty hose or a red tight.
And so if you've got a red bag or a
red shoe or something else red, a red belt, for example,
(07:26):
then it's just a really lovely tie. And it just
shows that your whole outfit is quite considered and curated.
But I do appreciate that for some people it feels
a little bit scary, you know, the whole socks and sandals.
It's not to say every like. I'm not talking a
Birkenstock sandal, yes, and a sock or a stocking. I'm
talking about a beautiful elevated heeled peeto sandal or a
(07:51):
yeah something like that, or just something that's got like
a simple strap over the front of the foot, over
the toes and then strap around the ankle. Love a
good pointed part with my swing back, and I'm loving
slim backs with panny hose And the advantage of it
is that it really does extend the life of your shoes.
So once upon a time, you know, okay, sandals are
(08:13):
for sand or weather, but why not wear a sandal
in the middle of winter with rather than having to
buy a whole war drub of boots.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You're Melbourne based as well, you know, that's a great
way to where I mean a slingbacks covered at the front,
but your heels are a bit cold. But if you've
got a beautiful stocking or a sock, and it can
look very cool. Matching sets. I want to talk about
matching sets because for me, I think linen shorts and
a shirt very summary, but matching sets can be anything
a suit that's right, but they have been having a
(08:41):
huge moment. I generally think more summary, are we still
feeling a matching set? How do we kind of do
that for winter?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I think a matching set in whatever form it takes.
So whether it's as you said, a summer linen shirt,
linen short, whether it is a beautiful two piece suit,
whether it's a skirt and top blouse, whether it's a fun, colorful,
alime inspired coward. I just think they are thing that
(09:10):
every woman should have in their wardrobe because it's just foolproof.
They're great for those days that when you're not feeling
inspired with your wardrobe, nothing's kind of standing out. You
put something on that matches and it's just so seamless.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So I think going into the winter months, in terms
of matching sets that you'll see around, I mean, it
can even be a beautiful knit and matching trouser.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, jumps a knit skirt that I never in my
head categorized as a matching set because again I'm thinking
Lenden Beach sets, but the desired I thought about it,
I didn't. It's like putting on a dress, but a
bit more stylish.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Exactly, and that's when you've look at it like that
as well. But yeah, they've put all the hard work
into it. They have decided that okay, this goes with this.
It's not only a really simple way to get dressed,
but it's also, in my opinion, it's so chic. It's
so cheap and simple, and as I said, it's kind
of full prop So whether it's a suit, I love suits.
(10:06):
I always feel my best in a matching suit, adding
obviously come winter you can add some boots and a
beautiful roll neck underneath. But I don't think matching sets
are going anywhere. And the end of the day, really
what it is Lee is was tonal dressing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But without having to try and find the right color.
If they're not a matching set and you've got other items,
you can then mix and match with your gens, with
your other stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Absolutely, and that's the other beauty is at the versatility
to then mix and match the two individual pieces is separate.
So it's just a it's a win win in my mids,
a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They're going nowhere talk to you about oversized blazers, because
I will be buried in one. But are we still
doing this boxy fit a silhouette slimming down? Is it
about what we were on the bottom, Because then I
(10:59):
want to ask you about genes which are getting that
barrel volumes. So what's happening in the oversized blazer section?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Look, I think with any you open up your kitchen
cabin and you need to have a variety of ingredients
to make a great pasta, etc. Your wardrobe is kind
of the same. It's just good to have options. So
whilst you might not be someone who wants an entire
wardrobe of oversized blazers, it's good to have one or two,
(11:29):
and then you might have variety so that perhaps when
you do finally get on the barrel leg jean bandwagon
and you then put your oversized blazer on and maybe
feel that it's a little bit too overwhelming, that you
can then put on a blazer if blazers are your things,
that feels a little bit neater. So I'm just about
(11:49):
having sessions in the wardrobe. I'm not sure that we're
ever going back, or certainly not anytime soon. We're not
going back to the Camilla and Mark Dimmer blazer that
was restrictive, tight fitted short. We're not going back to that.
I think now that we've all started to wear more
relaxed blazers on our body, we realize just goddamn how
(12:13):
comfortable they are. So there's that side of things as well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It's funny you reference that one particularly because I love
thrifting and often I'm flicking through it. I see a
Camilla and Make label and I'm oh, my god, and
I pull it out and I'm like, oh, I think
it was beautiful. But it's that fitted, more kind of
classic office silhouette that we used to wear. Like, can
people start getting rid of their oversized Camilla and Mark
anytime soon?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's right? Yeah, well, I mean they will be. But
also I think there's that fine line for a lot
of people between oversized and ridiculously oversized. So that's where
I would say for someone like me. You know, I'm
very tall, so I can do that very oversized silhouette
because it doesn't drown me. Whereas I would just say
(12:54):
when I'm working with clients, I just use the term
relax relax. I really like a relaxed blazer. Yes, there
is a big difference denim.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We've been doing wide leg for a long time. I'm
into it. I am obsessed with barrel leg or whatever
we're calling it. It's also called harrots sometimes. Yeah, yeah, Yes,
there's rumors that Skinny's coming back, which I don't mind
if people were skinny. I've seen some really chic outfits
again back with the sort of relaxed or volume as tops.
It looks great with a straight leg. How are we
(13:24):
going with danim Does anything go?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Anything goesly? To be honest, it's quite interesting this whole
barrel leg gene because I actually got my first I
mean I didn't even call them a barrel leak. There
were just this really interesting silhouette the first ones I bought,
which were coming up to three years ago from Alpha sixty,
who still do them, by the way, And I've got
them in a beautiful indigo and black. And I've done
(13:49):
lots of content about the style of gene. And again
it's a little bit like the socks and sandals. People
either love it or hate it, and you get all
the comments, eh, you look like your bow leged. I mean,
who cares?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I just think that the Blazer conversation that we just had,
it's just about having variety in your wardrobe. It's like
the tool in your toolbox. And whether you have a
skinny pair of jeans, a barrel leg, a high rise
wide leg, a boyfriend style, it's great to have a
bit of variety because you can kind of change up
your look aggresiently with a great pair of jeans. But
(14:24):
if you aren't on the barrel leg jean wagon, will
they be at in a year's time? I don't think so.
I just think they're another silhouette to have in your
wardrobe that you pull out when you want to put
a look together. Look that kind of feels the way
you want to feel that day. I agree, anything goes anything,
and there's so goddamn comfortable. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I bought a pair of thrifted ones probably about three
years ago when I was in Texas, in Dallas, and
again I didn't have another what they were as you.
I mean, they have the best Denam vintage over there,
and I was looking back at old photos and the
reason now I know their barrel leg, but I just
thought that were cool and vintage. And I don't have
much of an ankle, I've got to sort of it
just goes leg foot, and so the illusion of the
(15:07):
balloony kind of gives me a bit of an ankle
with a little kis in hell and come see comfy.
So I don't think they're going anywhere. They're just peaking now.
But they've always been around.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
They have been around. And you know the other thing
that I think, and again, it's a bit of a myth.
And I know one of our questions today is about
rules and things like that, but I think what women
don't realize until they try on that style of gene.
I'm claiming the word flattering because it's not a negative word. No,
that they are so flattering on many women's shapes, and.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Because you dress them on for a living, so it's
not just on you. You've seen them on so many people because.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They follow the curve, the natural curve of most women's bodies. Agree, Yeah,
they're really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Gene pro barrel forever.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Talk to me about some winter shoes, specifically ballet flats,
and I mean, I'm a loafer for life. I love loafers.
I just find them more comfortable. Ballet flats seem to
be everywhere. There's even an offshoit like that at Lesua
wear ballet flat gross say that I wanted to try
and do it, and then I just felt silly and
I reminded myself that I don't have to do every trend. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Look, I'll never saying evnle but no, that doesn't appeal
to me.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, it feels a bit flash in the pan for me.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And I love a bit of that leisure wear, but
not those no, Okay, I think a traditional ballet flat.
When we think of the silhouette of that traditional ballet flat,
do you remember sand Bag? It's still around, and I
think if we think of that very classic style, personally,
I don't love that so much these days. I really
love a ballet flat that covers a little bit more
(16:40):
of the foot, almost a bit like I call it
a glove style ballet's.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That what do you call it? And see I call
it toe cleavage, So I say, there's like no toe
cleavage because it's coming up quite high.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, but I think that is so chic and polish.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And you can walk better, you don't have to kind
of hold them on as much.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Absolutely, And then it also lends itself much better to
then doing a potentially little fun sock or a panty hot.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, true, without looking like you're dressed as a little
girl or anything, you know. Yeah, a square toe we're
seeing a bit.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, I do love that little bit of a square toe.
I think that's a really cool sheic look. Obviously it's
still got the pointed toe, which I don't know where
they're technically called that a ballet flat, probably not, but yeah,
I like a little bit of a square toe rather
than that traditional dainty round toe. So a square toe
is very cool. And then I'm sure you've seen a
lot of Mary Jane ballet flats are around as well.
(17:33):
We kind of strap across the top of the foot
and look cool as well. A lot of the feedback
I've had from our hollowers on Instagram when I started
talking about ballet flats, and again, this is just where
people's thinking can be so rigid. People think back to
old ballet flats, you know, and how they were so
flat and uncomfortable. Yes, but shoes have changed a lot.
(17:55):
All I say is go and try a ballet flat
in twenty twenty five, yes, and see how you feel.
I can wear them all day round. Yeah, like the
ones that I wear are so comfortable.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And try different brands, you know, like with Bedfootwear and
Frankie four and you know, Joe Mercer are some of
the cumpfish shoes I've ever worn. So it might get
brands that you might have thought are daggy or that
you just aren't for you. But if you're going to
wear them day and day out, go try them on
and make sure that they're going to be comfortable, because
a cheap ballet flat or a one that's not made
well might be too thin. I mean I wore a
pair in London late last year and walked thirty thousand
(18:28):
steps and my back was buggered because I had no support. Yeah,
and I thought, flat shoe, I'll be fine, But no,
they're not all the same. It's very expensive. How wud
(18:49):
are these percent We're just going to bring things that
on the theme of dos and don'ts, but things just
we love or that are instant style updates or that
kind of illustrate what we've talked about. Yeah, let's start
with bougie. Let's go high first. What's your pay?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well this was a bit bougie. Then, funnily enough, I
had no idea that we were going to talk about
barrel leg jeans so coincidentally, my bougie purchase was not
my purchase. Sorry, it's just to find is the barrel
jeans from Loway Bay. Oh don't, but I've specifically chosen
a beautiful indigo blue denim and they are one and
(19:31):
seventy two dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh my god. If I won the lotto, I would
go straight there are they highways?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yep, I'll send you the link.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, don't, don't send me the load. I mean, we'll
put it in the show notes, but don't send it
to me personally. That leather jacket that they've done this season,
the chocolate jacket with.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
The gathered logo, amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
As soon as I win my bougie is not bougie
at all. But it's more expensive and less fabric than
my budget. I'm going really good here. And it's funny
because just as we started recording, I was buying this,
so I haven't got it yet, but I clicked by
online because I have wanted a chocolate leather belt real
and I wanted a real leather and looks they are
everywhere for you know, one hundred and twenty, one hundred
(20:11):
and thirty dollars, and I just thought, really, I mean sure,
but then I just chucked it into Google, didn't I
I clicked purchase right as we started chatting Sally. The
Italian leather garrison belt. It's men's from Uniglow.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, I'm going to be clicking on that link on
it's so good.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's a beautiful sort of matte lever because some affordable
belts can sometimes look cheap. And then it kind of
just a little very simple brushed buckle of like a
goldie bronze.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I was going to ask you what color the buckle was.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, the black has a silver, but no the brown,
and it is forty nine ninety five. I got a
medium in the men's. I do find Uniglo size is
quite small, so I'm sure that's fine. But I've got
from my grandmother one of those traditional old belt hole
punches that I inherited. Yeah, it's got a wheel with
all different and you just punch a hole.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I just love you borrow that from you.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
No one knows I've got it because I wouldn't get
it back.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's so fair. Now they do.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, all right, what's your budget?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Okay? They barrel leg Indigo jeans at over one thousand
dollars or a bit out of your budget. Mine, I
suggest you head into your local cotton non store this weekend. Well,
they're equally dark indigo barrel leg jean that is currently
on sale. Oh my gosh, and it's forty nine dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Wowwy full price seventy dollars. Wow. I know see there everywhere,
aren't they?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
They're denim is agreed, honestly.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean, we all wish we could shop designer, but
at the same time, even if I had the money,
I probably wouldn't, you know, bar one or two pieces,
because there's such great affordable fashion out there. Well, I
wanted to bring something that I've been wearing untucked. It's
from Big w It's very cool. It's called the nineteen
sixty four Denim Company Women's Shack. It so when I
wear it, it looks like a denim shirt, but it's
(21:56):
that midweight that's really good for trans seasonal not quite
a jacket, not quite a shirt. Thirty five dollars I
sized up. I actually got a twelve and it's so
cool because I've been wearing with a lot of sheer
or sequin long skirt because the kind of heavier weight
and casual, more masculine denim, but with a feminine bottom.
(22:16):
I'm loving it. I don't tuck it in. It's lightweight
enough to tuck in if you did want to kind
of do a double denim or a wide leg pant.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So you could button it up and wear it as
a shirt.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, absolutely you could. But I button it up all
the way anywhere we're out because I've got sort of
little lulu lemon bloomers under my shear stuff, so I'm
not going to flash my full undies. But I still
don't really want people to see what's under the skirt,
so it just sits sort of past the bum, not
quite in to go, but quite a dark denim, so
it's not too casual, and it's just the perfect medium weight.
(22:46):
And it's thirty five dollars so you could.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Do that with the cotton on barrel Jean, Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
My god, bargain bargain while we save up for our
fancy designer.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, I love it. It's funny you mentioned the shear skirtly.
I just I feel like you Sydney girls are loving
that look at the moment, or maybe just everyone in
the Mum and me offices.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, no, me has started life.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's quite common. Yeah, I've seen me wear.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It, and you know why, I also love it because, again,
I do a lot of thrifting. I will find a
really great dress, but maybe I don't like the top,
and so as it's getting cooler, I've either literally cut
the top off and then used a belt to keep
the skirt on, or i just wear now that it's
getting cooler. You know, a chunky knit over the top,
and I've got a lovely skirt and no one knows
what's under there. So if you've got a beautiful an
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evening dress where the top's way too dressy, chuck on
a knit and you've got a skirt. Sally, thank you
so much for joining us. I'd love to sit next
to you on a long haul flight because we could
just talk fashion the entire time. Please come back soon,
and thank you so much for joining me. Thank you Lee,
thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear. And don't
forget to sign up to the matching newsletter. There's a
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link in the show notes and it's free. See you
next week. This episode was produced by Molly Harwood, with
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welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell and
every week I chat to an expert who helps us
work out how to get more out of the clothes
we already own and tells us exactly what is and
isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Styling our clothes can
be confusing because truthfully, there's a difference between putting clothes
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on and pulling together an outfit, from whether or not
we tuck in our tops, to coordinating colors and even
what we wear our socks with. These are little tweaks
that can make our clothes look more modern, but although
they're subtle, they also change each season. Joining me today
is stylus Sally. Sally is one of my favorite accounts
to follow on Instagram. She shares her innate talent for
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style to over two hundred and fifty thousand people just
on that one platform. She really is a service to
us all. So I've asked Sally for her help. We
received a dressing room dilemma from a confused listener and
they basically asked, so are we still doing the half
talk with the shirt anymore? Or is that trend over?
(01:35):
So Sally is here to help me dissect what trends
and tweaks are popular right now and how we can
add a little bit more personality to polish our outfits. Sally,
welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm well, Thank you, Lee, thank you for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Thank you. Honestly, the audience loved your first episode. It
was quite a while ago now, so we'll link it
in the show notes. I called you my TV show. Well,
people I watch on Instagram TV show, You're one of
my favorite shows to watch your life. We recently had
a tear in your beautiful new leather pants, buy your
beautiful shoes, and that was a journey and then it
ended well with a repair.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It did end well, and it was a journey. People
like yourself were very investors in what happened, and obviously
the fix and thankfully I did find an amazing but
expensive blind seamstress in Melbourne who weaved her delicate little fingers,
and she's done a really good job.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I couldn't believe. I screenshot your story to because I
couldn't believe how precise that was. So happy days. It's
nice to have a little escape of a fashion crisis
when the world's kind of burning around do see. Anyway,
Let's start with a few questions about you before we
get into the topic. What is your biggest fashion impulse
purchase you've ever made?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh? Well, this was a really interesting one to think about, Lee,
because I'm really not a very impulsive person. I'm actually
a very considered shopper, and I guess because of what
I do as a personal stylist personal shopper, I'm in
the shops every day, so I see so much. When
I first started my styling business over fifteen years ago,
I literally would find it really hard to leave a
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personal shopping session and not buy something myself, Like it
was terrible.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Can you teach a side class of how to not
buy something all the time?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So I've learned to be
much more considered, sleep on things, think about things overnight,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
All right, so today we've received a dressing room dilever,
which is pretty funny and fashion's confusing, so they've said,
are we doing the half shirt tuck anymore? Or is
this trend over? What I wanted to talk to you
about is broadly what's in and what's out, because of
course on nothing to wear an in real life, you
can wear whatever you want. You kentuck, you can untuck,
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there are no rules. But every season there's these little
tweaks to even the classic things we wear and how
we wear them. So let's run through some of those.
Get your opinion. But like I said, people can wear
hondies on the head if they want. So let's start
with the shirt tuck, the French tuck, so the front
in and the outsort of back. Are you still seeing that?
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Do you do that? Talk to me about tucking.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Over some of them. I talked about maybe starting something
called untucked Tuesday, would you believe? So now you're kind
of talking the opposite. So I'm actually experimenting as I
am today with untucked looks. Yes, and just depending on
my mood and what I'm wearing, sometimes I'll tuck. Sometimes
I'll completely untucked, but I've probably stopped doing that French
(04:32):
slash half tuck. I kind of commit either way, so
I feel like I'm either committing to the full tuck
or the complete untuck.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Interesting and me too, but I used to be such
a French tuck kind of goal.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, I think sometimes obviously, if you're wearing Lucy Goosey
on top and bottom, sometimes just a little front side
tuck just helps to obviously visually make your legs look longer,
maybe draw the eye, create a little bit of a waste,
Like it's just about creating a little bit more balance
in your outfit. But yeah, pretty much I'm either committing.
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It's either leaning really into the tuck with a full
and or leaning completely away from tucking.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, I'm the same. Like at the moment, I've got
high waisted jeans on and just a plain unicloate in
a belt, so I've tucked because otherwise it would feel
a bit whatever, a bit too undone. But then I
think Copenhagen fashion style influence for me, I've been doing
sort of the sheer skirts, but then I'm definitely doing
a shirt or a T shirt untucked basically cover me
the Copenhagen.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Girls. They love a good untucked, don't they. They do
not care whatsoever about showing off their waist.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's so much easier to go to the bathroom, all right.
The next one that we get asked a lot about,
which irritates me sometimes because it seems to be a
generational debate. Socks. Socks seem to be everywhere. Well you
know how millennials or ankle socks and that wasn't cool.
But I'm seeing sock styled with ballet flat and Mary
Jane absolutely, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Speak my language.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I feel a bit advanced though, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You're right. So I started doing a lot of sock
styling last year, socks and colored types. In fact, I've
just ordered another two pairs for winter from this great
company in Adelaide. It's a nice Australian base. I've ordered
a chocolate and a burgundy, of course, yeah, because I've
got a beautiful red from them, which I wore heaps.
But yeah, I really got into socks last year. And
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two things I'll say about socks and stockings. A it's
a really interesting way to add a little bit of
visual interest to your outfit, a little bit of quirk,
a little bit of personality. But it does divide opinions
on particularly when you show a sock with a sandal, yeah,
which I love.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I actually do it too. I do too, I've done
it once or twice. I do feel a bit silly,
and I know I need to get that out of
my head. Yeah, I think for me, a sort of
sock with a shoe, obviously not going to the gym,
a sock with a shoe. In terms of like a
flat or a winter thing, I really need time to
plan out that outfit. It's not something I can just
chuck on. I need to marinate in.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It, absolutely, And I think that's like anything in terms
of getting dressing in your style, it should be considered.
And so that's where I built up a collection of
socks that so, for example, I really love a red
sock or a red panty hose or a red tight.
And so if you've got a red bag or a
red shoe or something else red, a red belt, for example,
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then it's just a really lovely tie. And it just
shows that your whole outfit is quite considered and curated.
But I do appreciate that for some people it feels
a little bit scary, you know, the whole socks and sandals.
It's not to say every like. I'm not talking a
Birkenstock sandal, yes, and a sock or a stocking. I'm
talking about a beautiful elevated heeled peeto sandal or a
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yeah something like that, or just something that's got like
a simple strap over the front of the foot, over
the toes and then strap around the ankle. Love a
good pointed part with my swing back, and I'm loving
slim backs with panny hose And the advantage of it
is that it really does extend the life of your shoes.
So once upon a time, you know, okay, sandals are
(08:13):
for sand or weather, but why not wear a sandal
in the middle of winter with rather than having to
buy a whole war drub of boots.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You're Melbourne based as well, you know, that's a great
way to where I mean a slingbacks covered at the front,
but your heels are a bit cold. But if you've
got a beautiful stocking or a sock, and it can
look very cool. Matching sets. I want to talk about
matching sets because for me, I think linen shorts and
a shirt very summary, but matching sets can be anything
a suit that's right, but they have been having a
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huge moment. I generally think more summary, are we still
feeling a matching set? How do we kind of do
that for winter?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I think a matching set in whatever form it takes.
So whether it's as you said, a summer linen shirt,
linen short, whether it is a beautiful two piece suit,
whether it's a skirt and top blouse, whether it's a fun, colorful,
alime inspired coward. I just think they are thing that
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every woman should have in their wardrobe because it's just foolproof.
They're great for those days that when you're not feeling
inspired with your wardrobe, nothing's kind of standing out. You
put something on that matches and it's just so seamless.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So I think going into the winter months, in terms
of matching sets that you'll see around, I mean, it
can even be a beautiful knit and matching trouser.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, jumps a knit skirt that I never in my
head categorized as a matching set because again I'm thinking
Lenden Beach sets, but the desired I thought about it,
I didn't. It's like putting on a dress, but a
bit more stylish.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Exactly, and that's when you've look at it like that
as well. But yeah, they've put all the hard work
into it. They have decided that okay, this goes with this.
It's not only a really simple way to get dressed,
but it's also, in my opinion, it's so chic. It's
so cheap and simple, and as I said, it's kind
of full prop So whether it's a suit, I love suits.
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I always feel my best in a matching suit, adding
obviously come winter you can add some boots and a
beautiful roll neck underneath. But I don't think matching sets
are going anywhere. And the end of the day, really
what it is Lee is was tonal dressing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
But without having to try and find the right color.
If they're not a matching set and you've got other items,
you can then mix and match with your gens, with
your other stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Absolutely, and that's the other beauty is at the versatility
to then mix and match the two individual pieces is separate.
So it's just a it's a win win in my mids,
a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They're going nowhere talk to you about oversized blazers, because
I will be buried in one. But are we still
doing this boxy fit a silhouette slimming down? Is it
about what we were on the bottom, Because then I
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want to ask you about genes which are getting that
barrel volumes. So what's happening in the oversized blazer section?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Look, I think with any you open up your kitchen
cabin and you need to have a variety of ingredients
to make a great pasta, etc. Your wardrobe is kind
of the same. It's just good to have options. So
whilst you might not be someone who wants an entire
wardrobe of oversized blazers, it's good to have one or two,
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and then you might have variety so that perhaps when
you do finally get on the barrel leg jean bandwagon
and you then put your oversized blazer on and maybe
feel that it's a little bit too overwhelming, that you
can then put on a blazer if blazers are your things,
that feels a little bit neater. So I'm just about
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having sessions in the wardrobe. I'm not sure that we're
ever going back, or certainly not anytime soon. We're not
going back to the Camilla and Mark Dimmer blazer that
was restrictive, tight fitted short. We're not going back to that.
I think now that we've all started to wear more
relaxed blazers on our body, we realize just goddamn how
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comfortable they are. So there's that side of things as well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
It's funny you reference that one particularly because I love
thrifting and often I'm flicking through it. I see a
Camilla and Make label and I'm oh, my god, and
I pull it out and I'm like, oh, I think
it was beautiful. But it's that fitted, more kind of
classic office silhouette that we used to wear. Like, can
people start getting rid of their oversized Camilla and Mark
anytime soon?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's right? Yeah, well, I mean they will be. But
also I think there's that fine line for a lot
of people between oversized and ridiculously oversized. So that's where
I would say for someone like me. You know, I'm
very tall, so I can do that very oversized silhouette
because it doesn't drown me. Whereas I would just say
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when I'm working with clients, I just use the term
relax relax. I really like a relaxed blazer. Yes, there
is a big difference denim.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We've been doing wide leg for a long time. I'm
into it. I am obsessed with barrel leg or whatever
we're calling it. It's also called harrots sometimes. Yeah, yeah, Yes,
there's rumors that Skinny's coming back, which I don't mind
if people were skinny. I've seen some really chic outfits
again back with the sort of relaxed or volume as tops.
It looks great with a straight leg. How are we
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going with danim Does anything go?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Anything goesly? To be honest, it's quite interesting this whole
barrel leg gene because I actually got my first I
mean I didn't even call them a barrel leak. There
were just this really interesting silhouette the first ones I bought,
which were coming up to three years ago from Alpha sixty,
who still do them, by the way, And I've got
them in a beautiful indigo and black. And I've done
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lots of content about the style of gene. And again
it's a little bit like the socks and sandals. People
either love it or hate it, and you get all
the comments, eh, you look like your bow leged. I mean,
who cares?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I just think that the Blazer conversation that we just had,
it's just about having variety in your wardrobe. It's like
the tool in your toolbox. And whether you have a
skinny pair of jeans, a barrel leg, a high rise
wide leg, a boyfriend style, it's great to have a
bit of variety because you can kind of change up
your look aggresiently with a great pair of jeans. But
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if you aren't on the barrel leg jean wagon, will
they be at in a year's time? I don't think so.
I just think they're another silhouette to have in your
wardrobe that you pull out when you want to put
a look together. Look that kind of feels the way
you want to feel that day. I agree, anything goes anything,
and there's so goddamn comfortable. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I bought a pair of thrifted ones probably about three
years ago when I was in Texas, in Dallas, and
again I didn't have another what they were as you.
I mean, they have the best Denam vintage over there,
and I was looking back at old photos and the
reason now I know their barrel leg, but I just
thought that were cool and vintage. And I don't have
much of an ankle, I've got to sort of it
just goes leg foot, and so the illusion of the
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balloony kind of gives me a bit of an ankle
with a little kis in hell and come see comfy.
So I don't think they're going anywhere. They're just peaking now.
But they've always been around.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
They have been around. And you know the other thing
that I think, and again, it's a bit of a myth.
And I know one of our questions today is about
rules and things like that, but I think what women
don't realize until they try on that style of gene.
I'm claiming the word flattering because it's not a negative word. No,
that they are so flattering on many women's shapes, and.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Because you dress them on for a living, so it's
not just on you. You've seen them on so many people because.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They follow the curve, the natural curve of most women's bodies. Agree, Yeah,
they're really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Gene pro barrel forever.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Talk to me about some winter shoes, specifically ballet flats,
and I mean, I'm a loafer for life. I love loafers.
I just find them more comfortable. Ballet flats seem to
be everywhere. There's even an offshoit like that at Lesua
wear ballet flat gross say that I wanted to try
and do it, and then I just felt silly and
I reminded myself that I don't have to do every trend. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Look, I'll never saying evnle but no, that doesn't appeal
to me.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, it feels a bit flash in the pan for me.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And I love a bit of that leisure wear, but
not those no, Okay, I think a traditional ballet flat.
When we think of the silhouette of that traditional ballet flat,
do you remember sand Bag? It's still around, and I
think if we think of that very classic style, personally,
I don't love that so much these days. I really
love a ballet flat that covers a little bit more
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of the foot, almost a bit like I call it
a glove style ballet's.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That what do you call it? And see I call
it toe cleavage, So I say, there's like no toe
cleavage because it's coming up quite high.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, but I think that is so chic and polish.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And you can walk better, you don't have to kind
of hold them on as much.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Absolutely, And then it also lends itself much better to
then doing a potentially little fun sock or a panty hot.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, true, without looking like you're dressed as a little
girl or anything, you know. Yeah, a square toe we're
seeing a bit.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, I do love that little bit of a square toe.
I think that's a really cool sheic look. Obviously it's
still got the pointed toe, which I don't know where
they're technically called that a ballet flat, probably not, but yeah,
I like a little bit of a square toe rather
than that traditional dainty round toe. So a square toe
is very cool. And then I'm sure you've seen a
lot of Mary Jane ballet flats are around as well.
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We kind of strap across the top of the foot
and look cool as well. A lot of the feedback
I've had from our hollowers on Instagram when I started
talking about ballet flats, and again, this is just where
people's thinking can be so rigid. People think back to
old ballet flats, you know, and how they were so
flat and uncomfortable. Yes, but shoes have changed a lot.
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All I say is go and try a ballet flat
in twenty twenty five, yes, and see how you feel.
I can wear them all day round. Yeah, like the
ones that I wear are so comfortable.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And try different brands, you know, like with Bedfootwear and
Frankie four and you know, Joe Mercer are some of
the cumpfish shoes I've ever worn. So it might get
brands that you might have thought are daggy or that
you just aren't for you. But if you're going to
wear them day and day out, go try them on
and make sure that they're going to be comfortable, because
a cheap ballet flat or a one that's not made
well might be too thin. I mean I wore a
pair in London late last year and walked thirty thousand
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steps and my back was buggered because I had no support. Yeah,
and I thought, flat shoe, I'll be fine, But no,
they're not all the same. It's very expensive. How wud
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are these percent We're just going to bring things that
on the theme of dos and don'ts, but things just
we love or that are instant style updates or that
kind of illustrate what we've talked about. Yeah, let's start
with bougie. Let's go high first. What's your pay?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well this was a bit bougie. Then, funnily enough, I
had no idea that we were going to talk about
barrel leg jeans so coincidentally, my bougie purchase was not
my purchase. Sorry, it's just to find is the barrel
jeans from Loway Bay. Oh don't, but I've specifically chosen
a beautiful indigo blue denim and they are one and
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seventy two dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh my god. If I won the lotto, I would
go straight there are they highways?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yep, I'll send you the link.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
No, don't, don't send me the load. I mean, we'll
put it in the show notes, but don't send it
to me personally. That leather jacket that they've done this season,
the chocolate jacket with.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
The gathered logo, amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
As soon as I win my bougie is not bougie
at all. But it's more expensive and less fabric than
my budget. I'm going really good here. And it's funny
because just as we started recording, I was buying this,
so I haven't got it yet, but I clicked by
online because I have wanted a chocolate leather belt real
and I wanted a real leather and looks they are
everywhere for you know, one hundred and twenty, one hundred
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and thirty dollars, and I just thought, really, I mean sure,
but then I just chucked it into Google, didn't I
I clicked purchase right as we started chatting Sally. The
Italian leather garrison belt. It's men's from Uniglow.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, I'm going to be clicking on that link on
it's so good.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's a beautiful sort of matte lever because some affordable
belts can sometimes look cheap. And then it kind of
just a little very simple brushed buckle of like a
goldie bronze.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I was going to ask you what color the buckle was.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, the black has a silver, but no the brown,
and it is forty nine ninety five. I got a
medium in the men's. I do find Uniglo size is
quite small, so I'm sure that's fine. But I've got
from my grandmother one of those traditional old belt hole
punches that I inherited. Yeah, it's got a wheel with
all different and you just punch a hole.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I just love you borrow that from you.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
No one knows I've got it because I wouldn't get
it back.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's so fair. Now they do.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, all right, what's your budget?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Okay? They barrel leg Indigo jeans at over one thousand
dollars or a bit out of your budget. Mine, I
suggest you head into your local cotton non store this weekend. Well,
they're equally dark indigo barrel leg jean that is currently
on sale. Oh my gosh, and it's forty nine dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Wowwy full price seventy dollars. Wow. I know see there everywhere,
aren't they?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
They're denim is agreed, honestly.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I mean, we all wish we could shop designer, but
at the same time, even if I had the money,
I probably wouldn't, you know, bar one or two pieces,
because there's such great affordable fashion out there. Well, I
wanted to bring something that I've been wearing untucked. It's
from Big w It's very cool. It's called the nineteen
sixty four Denim Company Women's Shack. It so when I
wear it, it looks like a denim shirt, but it's
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that midweight that's really good for trans seasonal not quite
a jacket, not quite a shirt. Thirty five dollars I
sized up. I actually got a twelve and it's so
cool because I've been wearing with a lot of sheer
or sequin long skirt because the kind of heavier weight
and casual, more masculine denim, but with a feminine bottom.
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I'm loving it. I don't tuck it in. It's lightweight
enough to tuck in if you did want to kind
of do a double denim or a wide leg pant.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So you could button it up and wear it as
a shirt.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, absolutely you could. But I button it up all
the way anywhere we're out because I've got sort of
little lulu lemon bloomers under my shear stuff, so I'm
not going to flash my full undies. But I still
don't really want people to see what's under the skirt,
so it just sits sort of past the bum, not
quite in to go, but quite a dark denim, so
it's not too casual, and it's just the perfect medium weight.
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And it's thirty five dollars so you could.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Do that with the cotton on barrel Jean, Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
My god, bargain bargain while we save up for our
fancy designer.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, I love it. It's funny you mentioned the shear skirtly.
I just I feel like you Sydney girls are loving
that look at the moment, or maybe just everyone in
the Mum and me offices.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, no, me has started life.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's quite common. Yeah, I've seen me wear.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It, and you know why, I also love it because, again,
I do a lot of thrifting. I will find a
really great dress, but maybe I don't like the top,
and so as it's getting cooler, I've either literally cut
the top off and then used a belt to keep
the skirt on, or i just wear now that it's
getting cooler. You know, a chunky knit over the top,
and I've got a lovely skirt and no one knows
what's under there. So if you've got a beautiful an
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evening dress where the top's way too dressy, chuck on
a knit and you've got a skirt. Sally, thank you
so much for joining us. I'd love to sit next
to you on a long haul flight because we could
just talk fashion the entire time. Please come back soon,
and thank you so much for joining me. Thank you Lee,
thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear. And don't
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