May 17, 2023 • 20 mins
On this week's episode of Off the Record, Dannie Rogers sits down with Lions defensive lineman Charles Harris in his hometown of Kansas City, Missouri.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Off the Record with Dannie Rodgers, another special
off site feature. And if you hear some basketballs in
the background, that's because we're here in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
At the do Work Factory.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is where Detroit Lions very own Charles Harris was
training the night that he was drafted, So this is
his hometown. We're here for the twenty twenty three NFL Draft,
and he took us behind the scenes of some of
his favorite places, including his high school, Lincoln Prep. You
even donated money to the football field. How special is
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your high school.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
To you, Charles?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is, like it's very special, the history behind the school,
you know, going in my big sister went there.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It just being like one of the staple schools within
the city itself.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I grew up our group around of Cornsto Central
High School, and so I kind of almost went to
like the enemy school in terms.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Of like where I grew up.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
But at the same time, like, you know, the school
did me well in terms of like educationally the bottom
great resources, and you know, also just in terms of sports.
You know, we didn't have like the biggest sports arena,
but I had to make do what we have and
it all paid off.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It really did.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Did you pick the blue turf?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I did not pick it individually, but like me and
like the boy, we kind of worked it out, you know,
and it has worked out, you know. I know they
had to go to Boise State and like get like
some you know, some certifications. My man Jude kind of
took fill us in on that earlier today. But yeah,
it turned out beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It looks great.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
When we were walking up to the field, I don't know,
probably thirty forty kids, we're just standing there waiting to
hear from you. What was the most important thing you
said doing?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Really just this thing about capitalizing, you know, like whatever
it is you have in life.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You know, everybody starts some different places.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Everybody got different backgrounds, different family situations, different economic economic situations.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But at the end of the day, whatever you have,
you know, make do what you have.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Right, like create the best opportunity that's with whatever you
were giving. And that's something I did. When I went
to Lincoln, we didn't have the fancy weight room. To
my senior year, we had like the nice turf and
like the nice field and everything like that. At the
same time, like we had dirt, we had dirt grass
to play on our capitalize on that.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I said, my train out.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Here anyway, you know, we had local hills, went to
different hills and like train things like that. So we
had to run down the street, you know for track
practice because we have a track, you know. But at
the same time, like it just it made me stronger,
made me better, made me more thankful at the same time.
So you know, that's kind of how it is when
a new era of children coming into something that's really nice,
we want to remind them, remind them of what they come.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
From, where they came from, what we used to be
versus what it is now.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You were almost a marine at one point. I did
not know you did ROTC in high school. What kind
of were you raised? Around the armed forces?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Nah? So funny.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
ALLTC was something that is captivated me really, like my
sophomore year in high school. You know, first Argent Brown,
who was our you know, our leader and our sergeant,
you know, our RTC.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
The way he came he's always on top.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He was always in his office, had to pass by
his office every morning, check in with Miss Hill at
the front desk. He always be in his office. And
remember one day he put me to the south. I
was like, you know anything about ALLTC And I was like, nah,
not really, and.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He kind of went over her.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He can't give me, give me like the ran down
of it and of all the rundown of it and
something like disciplined part right, And I just like the
way his shoes looked.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I like the way I was always you know, dressed,
you know, formally, And it was just something I never learned.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And I've always been like one of the people that
like this something I don't know, I don't mind learning
about it. And so long story short, I got involved
with all CC and started stept with me, and so
going into the whole marine thing, I believe he came
from the love of all TC. And then actually my father,
growing up, one of his long time dreams is wanting
to be an Air Force pilot. But yeah, he couldn't
really do that wasn't feasible for him. So I think
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mixture of that, you know, hearing that growing up, and
then mixture of just doing ALLTC and just Marines being
like the baddest of the baddest, you know, it kind
of just stirred up something in me. And almost the Marines,
I really was. But my father didn't let me. E
didn't let me do it, so which which you know,
was it?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Was it great? Was it not great?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I think it all worked out the way it should.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I wasn't eighteen yet.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So my senior year, we ended up playing our rivals,
Central High School, who lost the game.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I put my heart, sweat, blood, and his into the game.
I remember. I came home.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I was mad at my father and I told him,
I said, I'm doing football, I'm doing basketball, and once Marines,
I had my mind's made up. I've been studying the
Marines for like the last few months, you know, almost
over a year. And yeah, like I was, I was,
it's around February. Time was around February, so right before
like gouds start getting scholarships to go to college. And
I sat down with the recruiter. I sign my name.
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I slid it to him. He was like, next month,
March is your birthday. He turned eighteen. You can sign
your life away, but I ain't gonna do it for you.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And they got up.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
He left the room and I was stalking through the
recruiter and were looking at each other. Couldn't do anything
I needed parental consent, so I held off, and then
a week later I got a scholar to go to
the University of Missouri. So it just worked out.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
How did Missouri come into play? Were you going to camps?
How did you get in contact with that?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So actually I had never been to a football camp,
like ever, never not since I was not a single
fooball cam.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Basketball camp. I never did either. The only thing I
ever did was like AAU with like KC Premier. I
played with them.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I played with like the Kansas City Panthers for a
little while, like local teams like guys. No, but yeah,
I never like never went to any camps or anything
like that. But it was his relationships. Right. Like when
I was in high school, I was at the High
B tournament and I met a guy named Coach Lotter
and he walked up to me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
He just thought I was very.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You know, charismatic. You know, I had a great you know,
great great character by myself. And he called coach Andy
Hill or uh he was at that time. Coach Andy
Hill was the once that he was a quarterbacks coach
for the University Missouri, and.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
He called coach Indy Hill was like, hey, y'all come
down here. You got this kid. He only plays basketball.
He played a couple of years of football.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
He's kind of raw, but he's an athlete, and just
through that relationship alone, just about beating him.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
He made another call that got in my scholarship.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Coach Andy Hill. He came down and coached Steck that
came down to Lincoln Prep. They brought me to the
office and they did basic tests right because the first
they didn't look test. They looked at me, told me
to stand up. I turned around. It was like, you
got a pretty good size. And then from there it
was like, uh the uh. He said he might have
a scholarship for me. Then a few days later he
called me. It was like, yeah, we got a scholarship
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for it. We gotta take it right now. And I
was like, I'll take it. And I took a scholarship.
Called my pops. He said you better take that scholarship.
I said, already did. Then the rest was history.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Did you have any other scholarship offers?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I did, so.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I had like some D two offers, but I didn't
want to go D two. I don't know where it was,
but it was like I'm not going D two for basketball.
I'm not going to do D two for football at all.
So my mind it was like Marines or D one.
But I didn't have a D one scholarship, so I
was like Marines it is. But then, like I said,
last minute on signing day, I got a scholarship to
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University of Missouri.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
When did he start playing football?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So I tried playing football when I was a junior
high school.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So why at that rate? Why?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So that's that's a funny story too.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So so coach Allen Lee, he was he was the
football coach. He's like one of my mentors, lifelong mentors.
He was a football coach. And at the time, I
had a lady friend who who was the manager of
the football team, and I walked into the room with her.
I didn't know the football team was in there, and
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Coach Lee was like, why are you in here? And
I'm like, obviously I'm with her, like you know that,
and he's like, I thought you was here play football,
And then somebody on the team was like, nah, he's
too scared, and then the whole room started laughing. And
so when I walked out that room, I told my
lady friend, I said, hey, I'm going through tomorrow to
play football. She said, Oh, you ain't got to prove
an of them. You ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Don't do that. You ain't gonta approve. I said, I'm
out there tomorrow. And then from there I went out
there into the field.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And so the entire time leading up to that, I
was running a cross country for like my fall spot,
I was doing a cross country, and so I started
running on the football field. I just never got tired,
and I was just like, yo, I can really do this,
Like this is something else. But then when past came on,
I was like, yo, it's just really different. And long
story short, like.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I was already conditioned. I was already well conditioned.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And it also helped me ease a lot of stuff
that was going on at home and like just inter personally.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So yeah, it just it just really helped out. It
really did. I was able to use the football field
as my as my meditation.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I love how you kept saying, lady friend.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah in high school.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, wife, she's taking care of the two babies at
home right now, a nine month old and a three
year old. Do you believe that?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah? Yeah, time flies, It really does it really.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Does seven years in the league.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, So I started playing football junior year, only d
one offer was to Miszoo and then you end up
being a first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How much did Miszoo mold you into who you are now?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Every every difficulty, every challenge, every positive accolade, it all
played apart like you really there, Like, I'm so thankful
for Miszoo.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
You know a lot of guys they might not.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Be as thankful somemorrow, some aren't, you know, but I'm
very thankful because the coaches that I had, they knew
how to push my button, Like they knew how to
like to give me to like turn my lights on.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
That makes sense. My D line coach, coach Cool, he
when I got into him to do campus right.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I was recruited for to play D lineman, but when
I got there, I was probably like two fifteen, soaking wet,
so I was too small.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
To play D line. So he said, you're gonna go
to linebacker.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I went to the linebacker and Coach Deck was like, well,
you're not smart enough to play to play linebacker.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
You ain't got an experience.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So he's like, nigga back down D line and so
I got transferred back to D line. Coach cool was like, look,
you got one or two options. Get a game weight
he gained thirty pounds, or I'm gonna take a scholarship.
And so for me being in Kansas City and like
being like you know, highly promoted and everything like that,
my mind, I'm like, I can't go back to my
city like as a failure.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I cannot do that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And so that that drove me to be in a
diner hall every day drinking, pro team eating, like doing
whatever I can possibly put the weight on. So I
had to do that in combination of like getting these
skills down the other D linea been doing since they.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Was kids, right, like bag drills, hoop drills. I had
never done any.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Of them, and so I spent the extra time like
after practice going through bags hitting like hoop drills until
it became fluid. And one of my one of my
like you know, lifelong you know, I ain't gonna say idol,
but like someone always looked up to was like Kobe Bryant,
like the visualization and like ten thousand hours of work
like all that kind of stuff, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I did hoop drills until I got a fluid.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I did bad dru until I got affluent, and I
did until I mastered something. And yeah, it just it
just it just was Zoo played a huge part, a huge.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And you didn't go to the draft in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Why didn't you go?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I didn't go to a draft because at that time,
I believe they was like, you're gonna have to take
seven people, and for me, I was like, I can't
make that decision, and can't.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You offer me to say down?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
So I couldn't say, Okay, you go, you go, you go,
you go when you all played such a huge part,
you know, in my life. And actually so you know
the place that where I was at my house. You know,
he's my trainer in my senior year, along with coach Mark,
coach Lee, had like just so many people that invested
within me. And for me to just say you you
and you, it just wouldn't it wouldn't sit right with me,
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especially when it's it's such a rarity for where I'm from.
So I decided to do it at home and you
were training he work, So that morning I forgot an
entire schedule for the day. But during here you call
that morning. I ended up I think I came here first,
like the train and you know, SOO was kind of
like like you're about to train day that. Yeah, I'm
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like I am, he said, trust me already know so
he already kind of knew me like I was about
to do that. So we ended up working out and
then it's just something about it. I was like, I
gotta get one up. I gotta get one up like
everybody else getting ready to getting their tuxedo on. Let
me go to let me go to work real quick.
And uh that's I was my mom set right, like
gotta get the kind of advantage.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
So that's that's what I did on my draft day.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And just seeing that these young players are about to
go through the draft, are you excited?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Are you nervous for that?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I am.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm not nervous for him, you know, because I ain't
walling across the stage. But I'm excited for him, I
really am. It's a lot of anticipation, you know, a
lot of like foot tapping and like like leg thumthing.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Is that what you were doing?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was. I was fidgity, I
was gonna get water. I wasn't even thirty.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I was gonna get water, to get water, come back downstairs,
and like everybody good, you know, because everybody's silent, you know,
everybody watching every single pick. When I was at home,
and it's like, okay, pick number ten, he'ven in fifteen,
Pick number twenty eight is waiting.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Where did you think you were going to go?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I didn't have any I didn't have no real projection.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You knew first I knew I'm gonna be first.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Round, but I didn't know first round because my agent
told me are because of you know, I just you know,
read anything. I made a decision a long time ago.
I actually told during my manager's like you know, closest friend, like,
I told him like I'm gonna go first round. I
told him that my junior year before I had after
I had surgery on both my shoulders. Uh my sophomore year,
after I had surgery both my shoulder I told myself
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gona go first round because I got like, uh an
evaluation back in the NFL my sophomore year and they
said I'm gonna go second round. And I said, I'm
not going second round. I'm gonna go first round. And
I told during that and so that was the moment
where I know I'm gonna first go first round. So
on draft day, I was nervous. I didn't know where
I was gonna go, but yeah, I did know I
was going the first round.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
My gosh, So okay, So the groin injury you had
this past season, going through.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Injuries wasn't new then, so surgeries on both.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So yeah, so I had labrams. I had both my
labrooms done my sophomore year.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Played.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I think first one was that happened like the first
half of the season, and I just wrapped it up,
played with it. And the second one happened at the
end of the season like second like second, second to
last game, wrapped it up, kept on playing, and it
was it was it was a needed surgery. And I
talked to my PT at the time, Coach Rex, and
he was like, you know, you want to go to
the league like healthy, You want to go and have
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to get surgeries all that kind of stuff. So he said,
you We're going healthy, and he helped me out with
that decision. It was a hard decision, you know, you know,
it was a lot going on at home at that time,
and I wanted to, like I seem like that is
my opportunity to help my family, help my family, and
it's like, yeah, put out for another year, like wait,
and I was like, okay, I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'm gonna go first round. There's how it was.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Okay, so this past season, you have a beautiful strip
sack on Washington, You get in for one more game
after that, and then the injuries.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Just kept coming. Ir came what happened.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, so sometimes you just got to learn how to
just sit down and just heal.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And I think that, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I come up what I said, like my draft day right,
like I'm working out on my draft day, like now
I'm more of a sensible individual when it comes to
like taking care of my body and things like that.
But like, for example, the practice that I heard my
growing I didn't even have to practice, you know, it
was an option. It was like, we know you're not
feeling the best, you don't want to practice, you ain't
got too, but I'm like, I wanna.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Go practice, and you know, something just got to be
able to just hit the chill button and say, yo,
just just calm down.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You're seven yeah, well year.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Six, but yeah, so but you know, I think they
don't take anything back, like I don't take anything back.
My reputation speaks for itself. Like the team knows I
work hard. My coaches don't work hard. Everything I got
one hundred percent. So my reputation is attack.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
That's all that matters, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Your first year with EAT wrote twenty twenty one, your
best season shot wise?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Did it feel to you like your best season?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Did? It really did?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And it was not just you know, not just stat wise,
but family life, I mean home, like everything everything in general,
like the other things also play a part in like
having a great season, are all in order, And not
to say they weren't, you know, before then, but you know, everything.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Was just it was. It was a routine.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It was a system in place, and I was just
following that routine and following that system. It's the same
thing to this day, just following the right routine, following
the right system, and things just work better when they're systematic,
Like I hate to say, if they are right, you
have a lot of chaos. Start wasting your time with this,
to start procrastinating when you have a sixth schedule skied checklist.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Of what you're gonna do when you get own, it
always works out better.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Detroit was your third team, So what changed and what
elevated that play?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Really, in my regards, I think it's just the love
of the city. Like I really love Detroit, you know,
I love Detroit. I love King's City. I love my hometown.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Not to say I didn't like Miami or I didn't
like Atlanta. Detroit just my it's just.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
My comfort zone, you know, it's my it's my it's
my cup of tea, as they always say. And I
think that mixed in with great coaches, you know, great
coaching staff, a lot of player coaches, and that great
great defense in general allows individual players to flourish. And
I think that's kind of where that's the best situation
I walked into. It's funny because Nick Williams, when I
first got to Detroit. Nick Williams, he was already tackled
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and he was like, man, sometimes it's not he said,
majority of the time, but that's not really the player.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
It's really the team.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
When the right player finds the right team, they just
they just lighted fire. And that's really what it was
with Detroit.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Right, Like, I'm a great player, I found a great team,
great organization, and it just helped. It just helped. Already, kindle,
what's already there?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, what's your health level app going into this upcoming season.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I'm ready to roll, baby, I'm ready to row. So
let's go get it done. Good.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, there's a good thing. There's not a Lufties am
I saying it?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
A luftiesofes god fish in Detroit, so you can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Please break down your kitchen skills. Lufty's was so great.
Let this girl behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, yeah, so Loofies is just I mean, it's a
Kansas City staple who was able to do there, not
only with the old mister Wloopy himself, but with his
children as well.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Shakour and Kadize. Those my homies.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And we all went to Lincoln That's what's even crazy.
We all went the same high school, I mean me
and had the same classes. Me and Shakoor. We played basketball,
played football with each other. Like it's it's just crazy
how everything works out. But yeah, behind the scenes, he
was able to throw some eight piece fish in there.
You know, they have some size. The mac and cheese
has a green Bees, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
We're still ain't even idiot, but I know it's still good.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
They looked beautiful. I did have I did have one.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's just still good. So this is kan
City staple.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Is it in the camera to beginning in the show? Okay?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I just want to if it's not in the star
phone box, they ain't doing it right, Like it has
to be in a star phone box.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
It has to be. That's how you know it's really good.
It's kans City base.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They showed us a picture of you with Lucy, and
I think the kids, what did you do when after
you were drafted?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Did you get you get back to Lucy? So that's
that's that's so beautiful. And that's also kind of it's
it's so crazy, like how sometimes you do things.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Like in the spur of the moment, not just because
you want to do it, but because like like for me,
it's spiritually like I just I just get told you
somebody just kind of do it. And yes, I kind
of reminded me that around the time I was getting
drafted that I had went to like the store they
had another store up on Grand off of sixty third Street,
and I remember I had like a finding out about you,
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Like I bought me some food and I was like, hey,
but next thig I find it out.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I was like, whoever comes in to pay for their food?
And I forget? I mean I just, you know, totally
forgot that even happened. But he kind of recalled that.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I was like, man, remember that, And I'm like wow,
Like so it just it just goes to show like
the small things we do in life, right like some big,
some small, like whatever may be, somebody always remembers. And
I think that's something now, especially to me, because I'm like, wow,
I didn't even I didn't recall that, but you remember it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know that's important.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I know you want to stick to You're ready
for football.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Everything is about football right now heading into year seven.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But we will have an under the helmet feature on you.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
What are some of the talents that you have that
will be showcased.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, you know, we got some some hitting treasures there,
some hitting gyms, some things that you know are in
the works as well. We're gonna see a little actor,
you know, you'll see a little act. You see a
little bit of martial arts, you know. And you also
captured me with my family, right like, that's that's very
important to me. Family life, as well.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So Charles the after football player martial artists. What I
forget chicken or fish fryer.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Fish fry today officially today, I'm a badge. Yep, yep,
do it all? Yeah, motivational speaker, whatever you want to
call it.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Hey, broadcasting, hey, hey, whatever.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, That's all I got for you, unless you want
to add anything else.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Kansas City, Love you, Detroit Love y'all. Y'all are very
very similar cities in my mind, my heart. Others might disagree,
some might agree, but I got much love both of
my cities, one that I'm playing in, the one I'm
actually from. And I know y'all love. God loved me
as well. And uh man, just stay tuned, stay locked
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in
Welcome to Off the Record with Dannie Rodgers, another special
off site feature. And if you hear some basketballs in
the background, that's because we're here in Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
At the do Work Factory.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is where Detroit Lions very own Charles Harris was
training the night that he was drafted, So this is
his hometown. We're here for the twenty twenty three NFL Draft,
and he took us behind the scenes of some of
his favorite places, including his high school, Lincoln Prep. You
even donated money to the football field. How special is
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your high school.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
To you, Charles?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is, like it's very special, the history behind the school,
you know, going in my big sister went there.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It just being like one of the staple schools within
the city itself.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I grew up our group around of Cornsto Central
High School, and so I kind of almost went to
like the enemy school in terms.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Of like where I grew up.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
But at the same time, like, you know, the school
did me well in terms of like educationally the bottom
great resources, and you know, also just in terms of sports.
You know, we didn't have like the biggest sports arena,
but I had to make do what we have and
it all paid off.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It really did.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Did you pick the blue turf?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I did not pick it individually, but like me and
like the boy, we kind of worked it out, you know,
and it has worked out, you know. I know they
had to go to Boise State and like get like
some you know, some certifications. My man Jude kind of
took fill us in on that earlier today. But yeah,
it turned out beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It looks great.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
When we were walking up to the field, I don't know,
probably thirty forty kids, we're just standing there waiting to
hear from you. What was the most important thing you
said doing?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Really just this thing about capitalizing, you know, like whatever
it is you have in life.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You know, everybody starts some different places.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Everybody got different backgrounds, different family situations, different economic economic situations.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But at the end of the day, whatever you have,
you know, make do what you have.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Right, like create the best opportunity that's with whatever you
were giving. And that's something I did. When I went
to Lincoln, we didn't have the fancy weight room. To
my senior year, we had like the nice turf and
like the nice field and everything like that. At the
same time, like we had dirt, we had dirt grass
to play on our capitalize on that.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I said, my train out.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Here anyway, you know, we had local hills, went to
different hills and like train things like that. So we
had to run down the street, you know for track
practice because we have a track, you know. But at
the same time, like it just it made me stronger,
made me better, made me more thankful at the same time.
So you know, that's kind of how it is when
a new era of children coming into something that's really nice,
we want to remind them, remind them of what they come.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
From, where they came from, what we used to be
versus what it is now.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You were almost a marine at one point. I did
not know you did ROTC in high school. What kind
of were you raised? Around the armed forces?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Nah? So funny.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
ALLTC was something that is captivated me really, like my
sophomore year in high school. You know, first Argent Brown,
who was our you know, our leader and our sergeant,
you know, our RTC.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
The way he came he's always on top.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He was always in his office, had to pass by
his office every morning, check in with Miss Hill at
the front desk. He always be in his office. And
remember one day he put me to the south. I
was like, you know anything about ALLTC And I was like, nah,
not really, and.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He kind of went over her.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He can't give me, give me like the ran down
of it and of all the rundown of it and
something like disciplined part right, And I just like the
way his shoes looked.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I like the way I was always you know, dressed,
you know, formally, And it was just something I never learned.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
And I've always been like one of the people that
like this something I don't know, I don't mind learning
about it. And so long story short, I got involved
with all CC and started stept with me, and so
going into the whole marine thing, I believe he came
from the love of all TC. And then actually my father,
growing up, one of his long time dreams is wanting
to be an Air Force pilot. But yeah, he couldn't
really do that wasn't feasible for him. So I think
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mixture of that, you know, hearing that growing up, and
then mixture of just doing ALLTC and just Marines being
like the baddest of the baddest, you know, it kind
of just stirred up something in me. And almost the Marines,
I really was. But my father didn't let me. E
didn't let me do it, so which which you know,
was it?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Was it great? Was it not great?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I think it all worked out the way it should.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I wasn't eighteen yet.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So my senior year, we ended up playing our rivals,
Central High School, who lost the game.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I put my heart, sweat, blood, and his into the game.
I remember. I came home.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I was mad at my father and I told him,
I said, I'm doing football, I'm doing basketball, and once Marines,
I had my mind's made up. I've been studying the
Marines for like the last few months, you know, almost
over a year. And yeah, like I was, I was,
it's around February. Time was around February, so right before
like gouds start getting scholarships to go to college. And
I sat down with the recruiter. I sign my name.
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I slid it to him. He was like, next month,
March is your birthday. He turned eighteen. You can sign
your life away, but I ain't gonna do it for you.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And they got up.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
He left the room and I was stalking through the
recruiter and were looking at each other. Couldn't do anything
I needed parental consent, so I held off, and then
a week later I got a scholar to go to
the University of Missouri. So it just worked out.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
How did Missouri come into play? Were you going to camps?
How did you get in contact with that?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So actually I had never been to a football camp,
like ever, never not since I was not a single
fooball cam.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Basketball camp. I never did either. The only thing I
ever did was like AAU with like KC Premier. I
played with them.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I played with like the Kansas City Panthers for a
little while, like local teams like guys. No, but yeah,
I never like never went to any camps or anything
like that. But it was his relationships. Right. Like when
I was in high school, I was at the High
B tournament and I met a guy named Coach Lotter
and he walked up to me.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
He just thought I was very.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You know, charismatic. You know, I had a great you know,
great great character by myself. And he called coach Andy
Hill or uh he was at that time. Coach Andy
Hill was the once that he was a quarterbacks coach
for the University Missouri, and.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
He called coach Indy Hill was like, hey, y'all come
down here. You got this kid. He only plays basketball.
He played a couple of years of football.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
He's kind of raw, but he's an athlete, and just
through that relationship alone, just about beating him.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
He made another call that got in my scholarship.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Coach Andy Hill. He came down and coached Steck that
came down to Lincoln Prep. They brought me to the
office and they did basic tests right because the first
they didn't look test. They looked at me, told me
to stand up. I turned around. It was like, you
got a pretty good size. And then from there it
was like, uh the uh. He said he might have
a scholarship for me. Then a few days later he
called me. It was like, yeah, we got a scholarship
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for it. We gotta take it right now. And I
was like, I'll take it. And I took a scholarship.
Called my pops. He said you better take that scholarship.
I said, already did. Then the rest was history.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Did you have any other scholarship offers?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I did, so.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I had like some D two offers, but I didn't
want to go D two. I don't know where it was,
but it was like I'm not going D two for basketball.
I'm not going to do D two for football at all.
So my mind it was like Marines or D one.
But I didn't have a D one scholarship, so I
was like Marines it is. But then, like I said,
last minute on signing day, I got a scholarship to
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University of Missouri.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
When did he start playing football?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So I tried playing football when I was a junior
high school.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So why at that rate? Why?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So that's that's a funny story too.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
So so coach Allen Lee, he was he was the
football coach. He's like one of my mentors, lifelong mentors.
He was a football coach. And at the time, I
had a lady friend who who was the manager of
the football team, and I walked into the room with her.
I didn't know the football team was in there, and
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Coach Lee was like, why are you in here? And
I'm like, obviously I'm with her, like you know that,
and he's like, I thought you was here play football,
And then somebody on the team was like, nah, he's
too scared, and then the whole room started laughing. And
so when I walked out that room, I told my
lady friend, I said, hey, I'm going through tomorrow to
play football. She said, Oh, you ain't got to prove
an of them. You ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Don't do that. You ain't gonta approve. I said, I'm
out there tomorrow. And then from there I went out
there into the field.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And so the entire time leading up to that, I
was running a cross country for like my fall spot,
I was doing a cross country, and so I started
running on the football field. I just never got tired,
and I was just like, yo, I can really do this,
Like this is something else. But then when past came on,
I was like, yo, it's just really different. And long
story short, like.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I was already conditioned. I was already well conditioned.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And it also helped me ease a lot of stuff
that was going on at home and like just inter personally.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So yeah, it just it just really helped out. It
really did. I was able to use the football field
as my as my meditation.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I love how you kept saying, lady friend.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah in high school.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, wife, she's taking care of the two babies at
home right now, a nine month old and a three
year old. Do you believe that?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah? Yeah, time flies, It really does it really.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Does seven years in the league.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, So I started playing football junior year, only d
one offer was to Miszoo and then you end up
being a first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
How much did Miszoo mold you into who you are now?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Every every difficulty, every challenge, every positive accolade, it all
played apart like you really there, Like, I'm so thankful
for Miszoo.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
You know a lot of guys they might not.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Be as thankful somemorrow, some aren't, you know, but I'm
very thankful because the coaches that I had, they knew
how to push my button, Like they knew how to
like to give me to like turn my lights on.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
That makes sense. My D line coach, coach Cool, he
when I got into him to do campus right.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I was recruited for to play D lineman, but when
I got there, I was probably like two fifteen, soaking wet,
so I was too small.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
To play D line. So he said, you're gonna go
to linebacker.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I went to the linebacker and Coach Deck was like, well,
you're not smart enough to play to play linebacker.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
You ain't got an experience.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So he's like, nigga back down D line and so
I got transferred back to D line. Coach cool was like, look,
you got one or two options. Get a game weight
he gained thirty pounds, or I'm gonna take a scholarship.
And so for me being in Kansas City and like
being like you know, highly promoted and everything like that,
my mind, I'm like, I can't go back to my
city like as a failure.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I cannot do that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And so that that drove me to be in a
diner hall every day drinking, pro team eating, like doing
whatever I can possibly put the weight on. So I
had to do that in combination of like getting these
skills down the other D linea been doing since they.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Was kids, right, like bag drills, hoop drills. I had
never done any.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Of them, and so I spent the extra time like
after practice going through bags hitting like hoop drills until
it became fluid. And one of my one of my
like you know, lifelong you know, I ain't gonna say idol,
but like someone always looked up to was like Kobe Bryant,
like the visualization and like ten thousand hours of work
like all that kind of stuff, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
So I did hoop drills until I got a fluid.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I did bad dru until I got affluent, and I
did until I mastered something. And yeah, it just it
just it just was Zoo played a huge part, a huge.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And you didn't go to the draft in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Why didn't you go?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So I didn't go to a draft because at that time,
I believe they was like, you're gonna have to take
seven people, and for me, I was like, I can't
make that decision, and can't.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You offer me to say down?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
So I couldn't say, Okay, you go, you go, you go,
you go when you all played such a huge part,
you know, in my life. And actually so you know
the place that where I was at my house. You know,
he's my trainer in my senior year, along with coach Mark,
coach Lee, had like just so many people that invested
within me. And for me to just say you you
and you, it just wouldn't it wouldn't sit right with me,
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especially when it's it's such a rarity for where I'm from.
So I decided to do it at home and you
were training he work, So that morning I forgot an
entire schedule for the day. But during here you call
that morning. I ended up I think I came here first,
like the train and you know, SOO was kind of
like like you're about to train day that. Yeah, I'm
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like I am, he said, trust me already know so
he already kind of knew me like I was about
to do that. So we ended up working out and
then it's just something about it. I was like, I
gotta get one up. I gotta get one up like
everybody else getting ready to getting their tuxedo on. Let
me go to let me go to work real quick.
And uh that's I was my mom set right, like
gotta get the kind of advantage.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
So that's that's what I did on my draft day.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And just seeing that these young players are about to
go through the draft, are you excited?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Are you nervous for that?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I am.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm not nervous for him, you know, because I ain't
walling across the stage. But I'm excited for him, I
really am. It's a lot of anticipation, you know, a
lot of like foot tapping and like like leg thumthing.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Is that what you were doing?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was. I was fidgity, I
was gonna get water. I wasn't even thirty.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I was gonna get water, to get water, come back downstairs,
and like everybody good, you know, because everybody's silent, you know,
everybody watching every single pick. When I was at home,
and it's like, okay, pick number ten, he'ven in fifteen,
Pick number twenty eight is waiting.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Where did you think you were going to go?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I didn't have any I didn't have no real projection.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You knew first I knew I'm gonna be first.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Round, but I didn't know first round because my agent
told me are because of you know, I just you know,
read anything. I made a decision a long time ago.
I actually told during my manager's like you know, closest friend, like,
I told him like I'm gonna go first round. I
told him that my junior year before I had after
I had surgery on both my shoulders. Uh my sophomore year,
after I had surgery both my shoulder I told myself
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gona go first round because I got like, uh an
evaluation back in the NFL my sophomore year and they
said I'm gonna go second round. And I said, I'm
not going second round. I'm gonna go first round. And
I told during that and so that was the moment
where I know I'm gonna first go first round. So
on draft day, I was nervous. I didn't know where
I was gonna go, but yeah, I did know I
was going the first round.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
My gosh, So okay, So the groin injury you had
this past season, going through.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Injuries wasn't new then, so surgeries on both.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
So yeah, so I had labrams. I had both my
labrooms done my sophomore year.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Played.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I think first one was that happened like the first
half of the season, and I just wrapped it up,
played with it. And the second one happened at the
end of the season like second like second, second to
last game, wrapped it up, kept on playing, and it
was it was it was a needed surgery. And I
talked to my PT at the time, Coach Rex, and
he was like, you know, you want to go to
the league like healthy, You want to go and have
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to get surgeries all that kind of stuff. So he said,
you We're going healthy, and he helped me out with
that decision. It was a hard decision, you know, you know,
it was a lot going on at home at that time,
and I wanted to, like I seem like that is
my opportunity to help my family, help my family, and
it's like, yeah, put out for another year, like wait,
and I was like, okay, I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'm gonna go first round. There's how it was.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Okay, so this past season, you have a beautiful strip
sack on Washington, You get in for one more game
after that, and then the injuries.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Just kept coming. Ir came what happened.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, so sometimes you just got to learn how to
just sit down and just heal.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And I think that, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I come up what I said, like my draft day right,
like I'm working out on my draft day, like now
I'm more of a sensible individual when it comes to
like taking care of my body and things like that.
But like, for example, the practice that I heard my
growing I didn't even have to practice, you know, it
was an option. It was like, we know you're not
feeling the best, you don't want to practice, you ain't
got too, but I'm like, I wanna.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Go practice, and you know, something just got to be
able to just hit the chill button and say, yo,
just just calm down.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You're seven yeah, well year.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Six, but yeah, so but you know, I think they
don't take anything back, like I don't take anything back.
My reputation speaks for itself. Like the team knows I
work hard. My coaches don't work hard. Everything I got
one hundred percent. So my reputation is attack.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
That's all that matters, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Your first year with EAT wrote twenty twenty one, your
best season shot wise?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Did it feel to you like your best season?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Did? It really did?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And it was not just you know, not just stat wise,
but family life, I mean home, like everything everything in general,
like the other things also play a part in like
having a great season, are all in order, And not
to say they weren't, you know, before then, but you know, everything.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Was just it was. It was a routine.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It was a system in place, and I was just
following that routine and following that system. It's the same
thing to this day, just following the right routine, following
the right system, and things just work better when they're systematic,
Like I hate to say, if they are right, you
have a lot of chaos. Start wasting your time with this,
to start procrastinating when you have a sixth schedule skied checklist.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Of what you're gonna do when you get own, it
always works out better.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Detroit was your third team, So what changed and what
elevated that play?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Really, in my regards, I think it's just the love
of the city. Like I really love Detroit, you know,
I love Detroit. I love King's City. I love my hometown.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Not to say I didn't like Miami or I didn't
like Atlanta. Detroit just my it's just.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
My comfort zone, you know, it's my it's my it's
my cup of tea, as they always say. And I
think that mixed in with great coaches, you know, great
coaching staff, a lot of player coaches, and that great
great defense in general allows individual players to flourish. And
I think that's kind of where that's the best situation
I walked into. It's funny because Nick Williams, when I
first got to Detroit. Nick Williams, he was already tackled
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and he was like, man, sometimes it's not he said,
majority of the time, but that's not really the player.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
It's really the team.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
When the right player finds the right team, they just
they just lighted fire. And that's really what it was
with Detroit.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Right, Like, I'm a great player, I found a great team,
great organization, and it just helped. It just helped. Already, kindle,
what's already there?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, what's your health level app going into this upcoming season.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I'm ready to roll, baby, I'm ready to row. So
let's go get it done. Good.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, there's a good thing. There's not a Lufties am
I saying it?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
A luftiesofes god fish in Detroit, so you can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Please break down your kitchen skills. Lufty's was so great.
Let this girl behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, yeah, so Loofies is just I mean, it's a
Kansas City staple who was able to do there, not
only with the old mister Wloopy himself, but with his
children as well.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Shakour and Kadize. Those my homies.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And we all went to Lincoln That's what's even crazy.
We all went the same high school, I mean me
and had the same classes. Me and Shakoor. We played basketball,
played football with each other. Like it's it's just crazy
how everything works out. But yeah, behind the scenes, he
was able to throw some eight piece fish in there.
You know, they have some size. The mac and cheese
has a green Bees, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
We're still ain't even idiot, but I know it's still good.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
They looked beautiful. I did have I did have one.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's just still good. So this is kan
City staple.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Is it in the camera to beginning in the show? Okay?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I just want to if it's not in the star
phone box, they ain't doing it right, Like it has
to be in a star phone box.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
It has to be. That's how you know it's really good.
It's kans City base.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They showed us a picture of you with Lucy, and
I think the kids, what did you do when after
you were drafted?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Did you get you get back to Lucy? So that's
that's that's so beautiful. And that's also kind of it's
it's so crazy, like how sometimes you do things.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Like in the spur of the moment, not just because
you want to do it, but because like like for me,
it's spiritually like I just I just get told you
somebody just kind of do it. And yes, I kind
of reminded me that around the time I was getting
drafted that I had went to like the store they
had another store up on Grand off of sixty third Street,
and I remember I had like a finding out about you,
(18:54):
Like I bought me some food and I was like, hey,
but next thig I find it out.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I was like, whoever comes in to pay for their food?
And I forget? I mean I just, you know, totally
forgot that even happened. But he kind of recalled that.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I was like, man, remember that, And I'm like wow,
Like so it just it just goes to show like
the small things we do in life, right like some big,
some small, like whatever may be, somebody always remembers. And
I think that's something now, especially to me, because I'm like, wow,
I didn't even I didn't recall that, but you remember it.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know that's important.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I know you want to stick to You're ready
for football.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Everything is about football right now heading into year seven.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But we will have an under the helmet feature on you.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
What are some of the talents that you have that
will be showcased.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, you know, we got some some hitting treasures there,
some hitting gyms, some things that you know are in
the works as well. We're gonna see a little actor,
you know, you'll see a little act. You see a
little bit of martial arts, you know. And you also
captured me with my family, right like, that's that's very
important to me. Family life, as well.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
So Charles the after football player martial artists. What I
forget chicken or fish fryer.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Fish fry today officially today, I'm a badge. Yep, yep,
do it all? Yeah, motivational speaker, whatever you want to
call it.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Hey, broadcasting, hey, hey, whatever.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, That's all I got for you, unless you want
to add anything else.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Kansas City, Love you, Detroit Love y'all. Y'all are very
very similar cities in my mind, my heart. Others might disagree,
some might agree, but I got much love both of
my cities, one that I'm playing in, the one I'm
actually from. And I know y'all love. God loved me
as well. And uh man, just stay tuned, stay locked
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