August 12, 2026 • 30 mins
Lizzie Eastham and Sam Rickard present Studio 1 - Vision Australia Radio’s weekly look through a different lens.
On this week’s show
“Decoding AI for Accessibility”
Sam and Lizzie go all-in on AI – for better or worse.
It’s is an acronym that has gone from being the stuff of science fiction to mild confusion; moderate fear and face it... has ended up being all of the above and also very useful.
So we asked AI to come up with a title for the episode (Sam prefers his “Let me be your Brains”) and if you want to know more read the attached article... surprise surprise, it also has ben generated by AI!
Studio 1 welcomes any input from our listeners. If you have any experience or thoughts about issues covered in this episode or believe there is something we should be talking about.
EMAIL: studio1@visionaustralia.org or leave comment on the station’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/VARadioNetwork
A special thank you to Stephanie; Carolyn; Jennifer and Garth
Next week: if you have a disability, there can be challenges to finding and maintaining friendships. We decided to get some professional Help. If you want to have your say on this topic or anything else please join our Whatsapp group here: https://chat.whatsapp.com/FwBORTly2OqC9FFmQAm97z?s=hd&p=i&mlu=3&amv=2
This program was made possible with support from the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more at https://cbf.org.au/
Decoding AI for Accessibility: How Vision Australia Radio’s Studio 1 Explores the New Frontier of Assistive Tech
In a recent episode of Studio 1 on Vision Australia Radio, hosts Sam Rickard and Lizzy Eastham dive deep into artificial intelligence, exploring how an acronym once associated with science fiction has quickly transformed into an everyday lifesaver for people who are blind or living with low vision. Rather than treating AI as a distant novelty, the episode highlights practical applications, community stories, and the nuanced line between genuine empowerment and over-reliance.
Everyday Visual Description and Navigation
For many blind and low-vision listeners, visual description tools powered by AI have revolutionized daily social interaction and independence. Show contributors share how visual AI models give detailed context to images sent by family and friends over messaging apps. Rather than missing out on shared visual moments, users can upload photos to tools like Be My Eyes or ChatGPT to receive immediate, granular scene descriptions—from family photos to intricate environmental details like a full moon over a jetty.
Beyond standard static image descriptions, AI tools are expanding into real-time environmental navigation and daily tasks. App features such as Seeing AI and Aira allow users to quickly read mail, identify product labels, and recognize colors. Assistive apps linked with smart wearables like Meta glasses, such as the Orion app, offer continuous pathway updates—notifying users of obstacles like rubbish bins or helping them locate mislaid items like AirPods on the floor. Hands-free voice-driven tools like Lumen also streamline email management for Gmail users without requiring screen interaction.
Writing, Speechwriting, and Custom Software Creation
AI has also taken on a significant role in creative and professional workflows. Guest speakers detail how large language models like ChatGPT and Claude assist in structuring emails, formatting reports, and refining Toastmasters speeches. Rather than replacing human thought, contributors emphasize using AI as an editing partner to polish tone, organize interview questions, or brainstorm creative speech concepts.
Taking technological empowerment a step further, computer instructor Garth Humphries demonstrates how AI allows non-coders to build bespoke software tailored to their visual accessibility needs. Using Claude, Humphries developed a customized audio-vid
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S1 (00:42):
This is studio One with Sam Rickard and Lizzy Eastham
on Vision Australia radio.
S2 (00:54):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzy and this is studio One,
your weekly look at life through a different lens here
on Vision Australia Radio.
S3 (01:00):
This week, AI is an acronym that has gone from
being the stuff of science fiction to mild confusion, moderate fear,
and let's face it, very useful.
S2 (01:09):
We ask a few friends how they use AI and
what are the pitfalls of this new and emerging technology.
S3 (01:15):
As we always say at this point. Please do get
in touch with the show, whether you have experience of
any of the issues covered on this week's episode of
Studio One, or if you think there's something we should
be talking about. You never know. Your story and insight
may help someone who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (01:31):
You can contact us via email studio 1@australia.org. That's studio
number one at vision australia.org.
S3 (01:37):
Or of course, you can jump into our WhatsApp group
by following the link in the podcast notes.
S2 (01:43):
And please record a message. Don't just write it out
because then we have to read it.
S4 (01:50):
Well, hello. So I use AI quite a bit. I
use a combination of different tools I use for my
AI a lot, which is part of the BMI suite
for describing photos. My children put photos up quite a
lot and watch that, and so I use it to
describe what the photos are, which means I can reply
(02:12):
to the conversation and make a comment, um, about what
they've posted. I'd also, I used Claude AI quite a
bit to help me find ideas sometimes to craft an email,
not because I can't write the email, but more to
help with the formatting of it, making sure it looks
professional and all that sort of thing. And even though
(02:34):
I know it's not foolproof, sometimes I will put a
document onto Claude and say, hey, can you explain what
I need to do to make the format better, but
the BMI is an absolute game changer. It's free and
I love it for getting it to describe photos. I've
even taken photos of, for example, a scene from the jetty,
(02:56):
and I've been able to get descriptions and it's great.
And then sometimes I can ask questions and it will
answer the questions as well. Like, tell me more about
the moon in this picture or, you know, explain what
a full moon looks like if someone who's totally blind.
It's quite amazing.
S2 (03:16):
Hello, Lizzy. How are we going today?
S3 (03:17):
Not bad. Thanks. And yourself?
S2 (03:19):
Uh, yes. It's, uh, been a rather, uh, stressful couple
of days because what we were planning on doing. Of course,
it all fell through in a rather spectacular mess. Um,
we've managed to get nobody to talk about what we wanted,
and therefore we've had to. Well, you have managed to
get us, uh, a show out of nowhere, which I've
got to say thank you very much for.
S3 (03:39):
Oh, you're welcome mate. Any time. Any time at all.
That's my job, after all.
S2 (03:44):
So what prompted you to come up with this particular subject?
S3 (03:48):
Well, it was an article that came up on the
Techweez WhatsApp group about the app lumen, which I've yet
to use, so I don't know anything about it. Somebody
else who will talk to you later on down the
track in today's show does know a bit about it, but, um,
it prompted me to think, how do people who are
(04:09):
blind or have low vision use AI to make their
everyday lives easier? And I sort of based it on
my own experiences as well, because I use ChatGPT for
several different things. And I just wondered what other tools
people use, not only for the show's sake, but also
for my own sake. What apps can I start using
that will make my life easier as well?
S2 (04:30):
I think a lot of the things that describe things.
I mean, so in the first interview, she talked about, um,
describing things like a full moon and stuff like that, which, uh, yeah,
I mean, if you've never seen something, You're never gonna.
You don't know what it is. I mean, I frankly
never knew what the moon looked like until I put
a monocular up to it. Really? Before that, I just
assumed it was just a big splodge of light. So
(04:52):
you currently use ChatGPT? What exactly for? Usually.
S3 (04:56):
The other day, for example, I got sent a photo.
I was on messenger with someone from my church, and
I don't know if they'd failed to remember that I
was blind or they just didn't take it into account,
but they sent me a photo without any audio description
or any caption, and I had no idea what it was,
(05:18):
so I saved it to my phone, uploaded it to ChatGPT,
and I got it to describe the photo, which it
then did in great detail.
S2 (05:27):
So there are a lot of tools that I've had
available to me in the past, and I think it's
just sheer bloody minded mindedness that I don't use them.
So if I'm writing out a script, then I've used
this old fashioned thing called a brain to sort of
write it all out. And yes, I don't use it
for emails either, because again, I've got this thing between
my ears that hopefully, um, keeps working and it's something
(05:49):
I'm actually rather worried about in this, uh, current generation. And, uh,
those people that do become overreliant on is that, that
we may stop learning to do things creatively. Um, some
people think that is, I can describe something and AI
will say, whether it be Grok or Gemini or whatever
(06:10):
will draw it for me. And that's me being creative. Uh,
it's not, it's you describing something and then pulling on
the creativity of somebody else to do it. So that's
usually my worry. So, um, we'll talk a little bit
later about the tools we do use and the tools
we don't use, even in the construction of this show
because we used, um, AI tools every day. Um, when we're, um,
(06:30):
doing radio production now, now don't we? And then you
have learnt to use one of them.
S3 (06:34):
Yeah. And I love it. It's absolutely one of my
new favourite things indeed.
S2 (06:38):
All right, so next up we're talking with Caroline.
S5 (06:42):
I use AI in a couple of different ways. I
use ChatGPT in the main when it comes to actual
AI processes. And what I use ChatGPT for is to
enable me when I am writing reports or correspondence to
(07:05):
help me put it together in a more professional way.
So I will write the bulk of the document, and
then I will run it through ChatGPT and say, can
you improve on this for me to make it look
more professional? Then of course, once ChatGPT has done that,
(07:29):
I go back and I check it just to make
sure because while AI is good, it's not always 100%
perfect on spellings or spacing and and that sort of
thing doesn't format things for you. So then I have
to do the formatting and that just to make sure
it's fine. The other thing that I use ChatGPT for
(07:54):
is that I am involved in Toastmasters, and the average
Toastmasters speech is about 5 to 7 minutes. I will
say to ChatGPT, I'm wanting to create a speech. I'm
wanting it to be either humorous or provide information or
(08:15):
persuasive or whatever. And my topic is, can you help
me construct a speech around that topic? And I give
it some ideas. Now, a while back, I was wanting
to do a speech to talk about the technology in
my home that I use. And so, for example, I
(08:38):
have a Google Home speaker. I have an Alexa speaker.
I also have Siri on my phone, and I wanted
to add in my guide dog to it, and I
couldn't come up with a good title for the speech.
So I ran the idea through chat and I said,
can you come up with some options for a title?
(09:01):
It came back with my four companions, and it came
back with the closing line that I sometimes feel like
I am a captain of a very technical ship where
there is a lot of confusion, but in the same
there is a lot of good stuff happening and I
thought that was really quite cool. So I actually took
(09:26):
that line. I took the idea for the speech title,
and then I created my humorous speech called My Four Companions.
S3 (09:39):
I sort of use it similarly not to write something,
but just to, um, like, for example, if I'm crafting
some interview questions, I will put in the questions that
I've got through ChatGPT and say, can you make them
a bit more open ended or in which order would
you suggest that I ask these in? And it will
(10:01):
help me in that respect. But for me, I totally
believe that if you're going to do any writing like that,
you've got to feed the bulk of the information into
ChatGPT because I have asked it to write me something
before without giving it any information or any idea of
my writing style or any sort of instructions, just telling
it to write me a piece about X, Y, z.
(10:23):
And it was totally not like anything that I would write.
S2 (10:27):
There's a term now. I was googling it recently. It's
AI slop, which, um, you actually do get in a
lot of emails now from people that they just go,
oh yeah, I can't be bothered writing this. I'll just
tell AI to write it. And these are the subjects
I want covered. And, uh, it yes. It's, uh, doesn't
really satisfy anybody. It's kind of like, um, a fast
food of, um, of literature. It may do the job
(10:49):
for a second and then all of a sudden you
realize that you've just read, um, junk food. Really?
S3 (10:55):
Yeah. Speaking of air slop. Mhm. One place that I
notice it in particular is on YouTube. So, uh, I
like to watch a lot of historical content, but also
a lot of Christian content. So it's all very word heavy,
very subject rich information, rich kind of stuff. And the
(11:15):
amount of times that I will find AI generated content,
it absolutely. It's a bugbear for me because the last
thing I want to hear when I'm looking for historical
documentary or someone presenting on a particular scripture or something,
is an AI, uh, turd, basically, you know, I don't
(11:37):
want some, something that someone's just got AI to regurgitate.
I want to, you know, human perspective.
S2 (11:44):
And that is the thing. And yes, you do find
it quite a lot. I mean, I've fallen down in
that trap at um, quite a few times and sort
of listen to this thing going, something's not quite right here. Yes,
there's some pretty pictures. So, um. Yes, I can at
least see the pictures. Um, but there's something not right
about the voice and I don't know, it's, it's not
quite like live television, for example, um, which the AI
(12:08):
tends to get certain words wrong just to suddenly take
you out of, um, some something. So and the big
one being. Yes, live and, and live, which um.
S3 (12:17):
Read and read as well.
S2 (12:19):
Yes, yes. Well, yeah, I'm happy that we can tell
the difference by, by it, but it also it means
that someone is generating this um stuff and actually making
money out of it, even though we're sort of clicking
halfway through it and, uh, it's, uh, yeah, it's not
giving us what we want.
S3 (12:36):
Our music's another thing. Oh, like I was in, uh,
my support workers car the other day, and I had
this Spotify playlist going and I was like, this is
AI music. And they're like, yeah. I'm like, turn it off, please.
I don't want to listen to music. That's some computer
program has generated. I want to listen to human stories
(12:59):
told through human music.
S2 (13:01):
All right, so who have we got next?
S3 (13:03):
I think we have Jennifer, and she's gonna expand more
on the BMI, AI and things like that.
S2 (13:09):
Ah, yes. And the mysterious lumen.
S6 (13:13):
I use a few AI tools, ChatGPT being one of them,
to help frame words more professionally around things, to reword
things to make it look better. Once I've written up content,
it could be a letter or an email, etc. I
also use seeing AI to read labels on things or
to read where mail might be from. I've also used
it to tell me colors a few things. By far
(13:35):
the most regular use I use it for reading text.
I also use a thing called lumen, which currently works
with gmail accounts, is a completely voice controlled app just about.
And it will read, write and help you navigate your
email in your inbox. It's pretty good as well. It's
a free app at the moment. LUMIN. That's how you
(13:56):
spell it. I also use BMI to describe photos. It
works very, very well. Also, use IRA II for the
same thing. And sure, there's other things, but those are
the main ones that I use all the time.
S3 (14:13):
Basically, I think people using AI to describe images or text,
I think the meta glasses sort of count as AI
as well in their own way. That's been the main
thing that's popped up for me is people using AI
to describe something. And actually, I have an example of this. Yesterday,
(14:34):
for some reason I could not get my treadmill to work.
So I actually took a couple of photos of bit
live while I was in ChatGPT to try and see
if he could tell me where on the screen I
could press to get it to work, because the start
panel down at the bottom wasn't working like it usually does,
and it gave me a full layout of the screen
(14:57):
where the buttons were and what I should press and
what I should try. Granted, I wasn't able to get
it working. This treadmill is definitely on its way out
and I had to get Stephen to assist. But I
had told Stephen what ChatGPT had reported was on the
screen and the layout of the buttons, and he said
that the. It was totally correct.
S2 (15:16):
So dear listener, okay, we use um, well, there's, there's one, um,
honorable mention that I'm going to give of something I've
tried out and that I've rejected using. And that is it's, uh,
called descript. So descript is a, is a program which
you use to edit audio using the transcript of, of
a program. And what you can do is you can
tell it to remove all of the ums as and
(15:40):
filler words. And I tried that once and it did
a really, really good job of it, but probably too
good a job as in it cut things words off
as well. So what you tend to find often is
someone will say, and um, and if you cut the, um,
at the end of that, it sounds funny.
S3 (15:55):
Yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. I can imagine
that that would be quite difficult because it would have
trouble kind of cutting it right on the arm as well.
And you're right, people do tend to join on to
other words.
S2 (16:10):
And that's kind of what it did all the way through.
So and what I found really, really fascinating though, is
I've had people coming to assist me with Peter Greco's work,
for example, and some of them are been a bit
younger and they've started editing in a similar way that
AI automatically edits. And it's like, well, the whole point
of us going through and manually doing what we do
(16:32):
is so that it sounds natural. So I.
S3 (16:36):
Used to do.
S2 (16:36):
That. I know, I know, and, um, so there are
some skills that yes, uh, AI will probably replace certain
people with. But there are still certain things that we
are better at, and I hope we remain better at
that for our own damn good. But the other two
things we use pretty much all the time is a
program called Adobe Podcasts. And I believe you've started using
(16:58):
the same thing as well.
S3 (16:59):
Yes. My lovely computer teacher who will hear from next
Garth sent me the link again and we went through
the process of signing in and uploading my first piece
of audio on Friday, and now I can send the
audio to you all cleaned up.
S2 (17:15):
And that is what we heard before. And in fact, uh,
if you want to just tell us a little bit
about the process, because seeing as we're recording over Zoom,
I'm going to switch the AI off for a certain
period of time and give you the listener an idea
of how good this damn thing is. So, Lizzie, tell
me the process of uploading something to Adobe podcast.
S3 (17:37):
Well, hello, Sam, I'm reporting to you from my office, which,
as you can hear now that the AI is switched off,
it's quite echoey.
S7 (17:43):
Sounds like a toilet.
S3 (17:44):
It does, doesn't it? It feels like a toilet sometimes too. Anyway,
the process includes going into the Adobe podcast website. It
is a website. It's not a desktop app as far
as I know. I'm probably wrong there.
S7 (17:59):
No, there's definitely a website.
S3 (18:01):
But once you've signed in and kept yourself logged in,
which I've done, there's a button that says Choose Files.
It then takes you into your computer or USB, whatever
you're on. You can choose the file that you want.
Press enter. It will upload the file. It'll enhance the speech.
(18:21):
Separate the background. Take away the echo. It's there's a
whole bunch of stuff that. It goes through enhancing speech.
It does that a couple of times. And then once
it's uploaded, it gives you an option to play it,
which I always do just to make sure it sounds good.
And then you can go and download that. And once
(18:42):
you've downloaded that, you've got a cleaned up version of
your original audio.
S2 (18:46):
Some of the downfalls of it can be, for example, um,
I've used the professional version now, um, which, uh, is
one of the, uh, benefits of working in the field
that we work in and which means that I can
adjust some of the settings early on, uh, Peter Greco
had a, an interview with someone live in Paris at
(19:07):
the Paralympics, and they had all this wonderful sound in
the background and that so you could pick it up.
And the AI dutifully got rid of all the background, uh,
cleaned her up really, really well, but it sounded like
she was in the studio. So what we can do nowadays,
if you have pay a little bit of money for
the professional version is adjust these things. So yes, you
(19:29):
do get a bit of background in there. So which
we have done to considerable effect when we've been out
and about at various conferences and things like that. So yes,
there's a lot of work that comes into it. And
the other thing, of course, is, dear listener, you might
have noticed that our podcast pictures have changed a little bit.
And yes, I do use an AI agent to sometimes
(19:54):
do our podcast pictures because it's just so handy to
describe something. I don't think it I think it's artful
in any particular way, but it's handy to say, all right,
draw me this cartoon. So that's where we use it.
S3 (20:07):
Speaking of AI pictures, Sam, do you remember the picture
I sent you that ChatGPT made of Mackenzie towing a
steam train?
S2 (20:14):
Ah, yes. Yes, yes.
S3 (20:15):
Yes, that was particularly funny, I thought, although my appearance
seemed to take on quite Asian characteristics, which I'm not
sure why. I'm not sure why ChatGPT decided to make
me look that way, but there you go.
S2 (20:28):
Herein lies the problem with AI as well is, unlike
other programs and algorithms, it will take its best guess
on something. It won't throw up an error message and say, sorry,
I can't do that. It will simply, um, see what happens. And,
and if, if you have been listening to our program
for a while, you will sometimes hear, hear examples of
(20:48):
that in some of the earlier interviews that we have
done and use the, uh, client to clean things up.
And sometimes it's made someone, well, I used to call
it Dalek ification because it makes them sound like a Dalek,
but nowadays it's got better, so we shall see. Anyway,
on to our last interview. And this is the person
that's been helping you out a great deal, I believe.
S3 (21:08):
Yeah. Garth Humphries, he's absolutely amazing. He's been teaching me
all the new tricks I've been learning. Just a great teacher,
very patient, very knowledgeable man.
S2 (21:19):
Well, hopefully, dear listener, in the near future, he's going
to be teaching me how to use Nvda because we're
going to do an episode about what it is like
for a sighted person to try and use just a
keyboard and speech software to navigate a computer, so we
can look forward to that. But anyway, here's Garth. Oh, when.
S8 (21:38):
We first started using AI, and I think there's probably
a common story is things like be my eyes and
using it for any kind of description. Seeing AI even,
I guess is, you know, early, early on, whether it's
matching clothes or reading a menu or just so many
things just throughout the day, it's made possible.
S3 (21:58):
For how long ago did you start using Be My
Eyes and seeing AI and how long have they been
out for?
S8 (22:03):
It's getting to a point now where it feels like
those sort of tools have just always been there, but
it has only been the last 2 or 3 years.
I suppose that it's been to the point where it
is now, but maybe even longer than that.
S3 (22:13):
How have you seen them improve over time?
S8 (22:15):
Just the sort of the quality of the descriptions you're getting,
the speed of what you're getting. And I think, you know,
that's for tools like Be My Eyes, we're getting closer
and closer to having real time description like that in
apps like Orion where using it for things like, hey,
I've dropped an AirPod, can you help me find it?
And just moving your phone around and go, oh, yep,
(22:36):
there it is. There. You know, it gives you directions
and audio signals on how to find the AirPod on
the floor, things like that. It's really useful.
S3 (22:45):
I don't even know what to Ryan.
S8 (22:46):
It's an app that you can work through your meta
glasses as well. Matter of given support for that to happen.
It'll give you sort of real time description of, you know,
as you're walking along, it's a bit hit and miss.
I wouldn't use it as your primary navigational device at all.
But for example, things like I've told it, hey, can
(23:08):
you tell me if you see anything directly on my
pathway and it'll go that path is clear, path is
clear every 30s or so. And then it might say, yep,
there's a rubbish bin on the pathway there to the
right to miss it, things like that. Uh, you can
also use it around the house. It's got a whole
list of pre-done items that you can find. It'll basically
(23:30):
keep an eye out for that particular thing that you've selected,
or you can just ask it. There's a sort of
a prompt field where you can just talk to it
and say, like, I gave the example of the AirPods
and just give it a prompt to find it.
S3 (23:44):
Do you use anything like ChatGPT or Grok or Claude?
S8 (23:48):
You know, on iPhones you have an action button. If
it's a 15 pro or newer sort of thing, and
you can assign that action to do whatever you like,
basically a number of things anyway. I've for quite a
while had that as my ChatGPT button. So I just
press and hold the side button and I'm straight into
a call with ChatGPT. The other one I've used a
(24:09):
lot lately is Claude. For me at the moment, I'm
using it to create software that I want that is
designed for me to use, like it's bespoke. And I
think we're all going to have the ability to just
create bespoke solutions to problems that we find. So for me,
you know, I've got a stream deck that the software
(24:30):
is not very accessible. It's a sort of a grid
of buttons that you can have then assigned to macros
on your computer. For example, within Zoom, you can have
it set so that if zooms up. Pressing this button
will share the screen. Pressing that button will hang up
or mute or all sorts of actions. Now there is
a open deck, which was a sort of a an
(24:50):
open source software to control it that was supposed to
have some accessibility. I tried it on the Mac. It
didn't work very well. So I got Claude to make
me my own version of that software with the features
I wanted. I have to do these screen captures now.
There's various ways of doing that, but none of them
were really the way I wanted them to be. So
I've got Claude to build a whole audio and video
(25:12):
editing suite centered around the kind of work that I'm
doing with the screen captures. Look, it's slightly addictive. It's
amazing to be able to have an idea and have
it turned into reality. You know, I'm not a coder.
I have next to no coding skills, but I can
articulate the UI I want and the feature set I want,
(25:34):
and I can test to see if it's working properly.
And it's not like, oh, give me this. And it's
there straight away. It's it's backwards and forwards. It's needing
to actually test like it'll think it's done something and
it sort of works, but it doesn't quite work. And
with iteration though, with going backwards and forwards with Claude,
I've got it to the point now where it's super functional.
(25:57):
The real excitement that I have from something like Claude
is that ability, as I mentioned, to be able to
make an idea into reality.
S3 (26:05):
So where do you think AI is going in the future? Like,
what improvements do you see happening over the next ten
years specifically for blind people or people with low vision?
S8 (26:15):
I think more and more of these sort of tools,
and I think in the next ten years we're looking at,
as I said, bespoke solutions. So you as an average
user can go, this is the problem I want to solve.
Can you help create an app to solve that problem
for me? And it'll be there.
S3 (26:31):
That sounds amazing and all very complicated and like things
that I don't understand.
S8 (26:36):
And I think that's what it feels like at first.
Lots of us now have had those sort of conversations
with the chat bots, but to actually take that next
step to creating software solutions to problems is pretty empowering,
I think.
S3 (26:50):
What are the downsides that you see to AI? Because
obviously we're getting people writing essays using ChatGPT, and schools
and unis are having to crack down on the use
of AI chat sites. So what are some of the
downsides that you see to AI?
S8 (27:04):
There's a lot like that. I think that is, you know,
a really big area that you need to like, how
can you trust anybody's work? Is that work? They've presented
a fair representation of them or just what Claude has
told them or ChatGPT has told them today. I think
some of the other sort of things to be careful of,
maybe are people getting too reliant on these chat bots
(27:26):
as an emotional support almost because you can talk to
them about anything you like within reason, and they will
give you the answer they it thinks you want to hear.
So I think it could be quite a trap for
people to get. I'm not going to say, you know,
emotionally tied, but yes, emotionally dependent on some of the tools.
(27:46):
And then does it always give you the right advice?
It'll couch advice and saying, you know, I'm not a
psychologist or I'm not a doctor or whatever. But even
with that couching of the of the response it gives you,
it still gives you a response. Yeah. And thinking you're
almost feeling as though you're talking to another person.
S3 (28:04):
Yeah. Except it doesn't know what coffee I like. So
it's a terrible friend.
S8 (28:10):
Well, that's something that it can remember though if you
tell it.
S2 (28:14):
That's a wrap for this week. A big thank you
to Stephanie, Caroline, Jennifer and Garth.
S3 (28:19):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
That includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network or
wherever you may be listening from. You can download the
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S2 (28:35):
If you have a disability, there can be challenges in
finding and maintaining Friendships. We decided to get some professional help.
S3 (28:42):
We're asking a professional counsellor what we can do to
stay on stable ground and maybe stop being too needy.
S2 (28:49):
Yeah, I haven't heard from you in ages. No phone
call you haven't written? Not even a postcard.
S3 (28:55):
Oh, cut it out.
S2 (28:56):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show. Whether you have experience of any of
the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One,
or if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help somebody
else who is dealing with something similar.
S3 (29:09):
You can contact us via email at studio 1@australia.org. That's
studio number 1@australia.org. Or of course, you can jump into
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We want to hear from you.
S2 (29:23):
Bye for now.
S1 (29:23):
Studio one was produced in the Adelaide Studios of Vision
Australia Radio. This show was made possible with the help
of the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more@kbf.org.au.
This is studio One with Sam Rickard and Lizzy Eastham
on Vision Australia radio.
S2 (00:54):
Hello, I'm Sam and I'm Lizzy and this is studio One,
your weekly look at life through a different lens here
on Vision Australia Radio.
S3 (01:00):
This week, AI is an acronym that has gone from
being the stuff of science fiction to mild confusion, moderate fear,
and let's face it, very useful.
S2 (01:09):
We ask a few friends how they use AI and
what are the pitfalls of this new and emerging technology.
S3 (01:15):
As we always say at this point. Please do get
in touch with the show, whether you have experience of
any of the issues covered on this week's episode of
Studio One, or if you think there's something we should
be talking about. You never know. Your story and insight
may help someone who's dealing with something similar.
S2 (01:31):
You can contact us via email studio 1@australia.org. That's studio
number one at vision australia.org.
S3 (01:37):
Or of course, you can jump into our WhatsApp group
by following the link in the podcast notes.
S2 (01:43):
And please record a message. Don't just write it out
because then we have to read it.
S4 (01:50):
Well, hello. So I use AI quite a bit. I
use a combination of different tools I use for my
AI a lot, which is part of the BMI suite
for describing photos. My children put photos up quite a
lot and watch that, and so I use it to
describe what the photos are, which means I can reply
(02:12):
to the conversation and make a comment, um, about what
they've posted. I'd also, I used Claude AI quite a
bit to help me find ideas sometimes to craft an email,
not because I can't write the email, but more to
help with the formatting of it, making sure it looks
professional and all that sort of thing. And even though
(02:34):
I know it's not foolproof, sometimes I will put a
document onto Claude and say, hey, can you explain what
I need to do to make the format better, but
the BMI is an absolute game changer. It's free and
I love it for getting it to describe photos. I've
even taken photos of, for example, a scene from the jetty,
(02:56):
and I've been able to get descriptions and it's great.
And then sometimes I can ask questions and it will
answer the questions as well. Like, tell me more about
the moon in this picture or, you know, explain what
a full moon looks like if someone who's totally blind.
It's quite amazing.
S2 (03:16):
Hello, Lizzy. How are we going today?
S3 (03:17):
Not bad. Thanks. And yourself?
S2 (03:19):
Uh, yes. It's, uh, been a rather, uh, stressful couple
of days because what we were planning on doing. Of course,
it all fell through in a rather spectacular mess. Um,
we've managed to get nobody to talk about what we wanted,
and therefore we've had to. Well, you have managed to
get us, uh, a show out of nowhere, which I've
got to say thank you very much for.
S3 (03:39):
Oh, you're welcome mate. Any time. Any time at all.
That's my job, after all.
S2 (03:44):
So what prompted you to come up with this particular subject?
S3 (03:48):
Well, it was an article that came up on the
Techweez WhatsApp group about the app lumen, which I've yet
to use, so I don't know anything about it. Somebody
else who will talk to you later on down the
track in today's show does know a bit about it, but, um,
it prompted me to think, how do people who are
(04:09):
blind or have low vision use AI to make their
everyday lives easier? And I sort of based it on
my own experiences as well, because I use ChatGPT for
several different things. And I just wondered what other tools
people use, not only for the show's sake, but also
for my own sake. What apps can I start using
that will make my life easier as well?
S2 (04:30):
I think a lot of the things that describe things.
I mean, so in the first interview, she talked about, um,
describing things like a full moon and stuff like that, which, uh, yeah,
I mean, if you've never seen something, You're never gonna.
You don't know what it is. I mean, I frankly
never knew what the moon looked like until I put
a monocular up to it. Really? Before that, I just
assumed it was just a big splodge of light. So
(04:52):
you currently use ChatGPT? What exactly for? Usually.
S3 (04:56):
The other day, for example, I got sent a photo.
I was on messenger with someone from my church, and
I don't know if they'd failed to remember that I
was blind or they just didn't take it into account,
but they sent me a photo without any audio description
or any caption, and I had no idea what it was,
(05:18):
so I saved it to my phone, uploaded it to ChatGPT,
and I got it to describe the photo, which it
then did in great detail.
S2 (05:27):
So there are a lot of tools that I've had
available to me in the past, and I think it's
just sheer bloody minded mindedness that I don't use them.
So if I'm writing out a script, then I've used
this old fashioned thing called a brain to sort of
write it all out. And yes, I don't use it
for emails either, because again, I've got this thing between
my ears that hopefully, um, keeps working and it's something
(05:49):
I'm actually rather worried about in this, uh, current generation. And, uh,
those people that do become overreliant on is that, that
we may stop learning to do things creatively. Um, some
people think that is, I can describe something and AI
will say, whether it be Grok or Gemini or whatever
(06:10):
will draw it for me. And that's me being creative. Uh,
it's not, it's you describing something and then pulling on
the creativity of somebody else to do it. So that's
usually my worry. So, um, we'll talk a little bit
later about the tools we do use and the tools
we don't use, even in the construction of this show
because we used, um, AI tools every day. Um, when we're, um,
(06:30):
doing radio production now, now don't we? And then you
have learnt to use one of them.
S3 (06:34):
Yeah. And I love it. It's absolutely one of my
new favourite things indeed.
S2 (06:38):
All right, so next up we're talking with Caroline.
S5 (06:42):
I use AI in a couple of different ways. I
use ChatGPT in the main when it comes to actual
AI processes. And what I use ChatGPT for is to
enable me when I am writing reports or correspondence to
(07:05):
help me put it together in a more professional way.
So I will write the bulk of the document, and
then I will run it through ChatGPT and say, can
you improve on this for me to make it look
more professional? Then of course, once ChatGPT has done that,
(07:29):
I go back and I check it just to make
sure because while AI is good, it's not always 100%
perfect on spellings or spacing and and that sort of
thing doesn't format things for you. So then I have
to do the formatting and that just to make sure
it's fine. The other thing that I use ChatGPT for
(07:54):
is that I am involved in Toastmasters, and the average
Toastmasters speech is about 5 to 7 minutes. I will
say to ChatGPT, I'm wanting to create a speech. I'm
wanting it to be either humorous or provide information or
(08:15):
persuasive or whatever. And my topic is, can you help
me construct a speech around that topic? And I give
it some ideas. Now, a while back, I was wanting
to do a speech to talk about the technology in
my home that I use. And so, for example, I
(08:38):
have a Google Home speaker. I have an Alexa speaker.
I also have Siri on my phone, and I wanted
to add in my guide dog to it, and I
couldn't come up with a good title for the speech.
So I ran the idea through chat and I said,
can you come up with some options for a title?
(09:01):
It came back with my four companions, and it came
back with the closing line that I sometimes feel like
I am a captain of a very technical ship where
there is a lot of confusion, but in the same
there is a lot of good stuff happening and I
thought that was really quite cool. So I actually took
(09:26):
that line. I took the idea for the speech title,
and then I created my humorous speech called My Four Companions.
S3 (09:39):
I sort of use it similarly not to write something,
but just to, um, like, for example, if I'm crafting
some interview questions, I will put in the questions that
I've got through ChatGPT and say, can you make them
a bit more open ended or in which order would
you suggest that I ask these in? And it will
(10:01):
help me in that respect. But for me, I totally
believe that if you're going to do any writing like that,
you've got to feed the bulk of the information into
ChatGPT because I have asked it to write me something
before without giving it any information or any idea of
my writing style or any sort of instructions, just telling
it to write me a piece about X, Y, z.
(10:23):
And it was totally not like anything that I would write.
S2 (10:27):
There's a term now. I was googling it recently. It's
AI slop, which, um, you actually do get in a
lot of emails now from people that they just go,
oh yeah, I can't be bothered writing this. I'll just
tell AI to write it. And these are the subjects
I want covered. And, uh, it yes. It's, uh, doesn't
really satisfy anybody. It's kind of like, um, a fast
food of, um, of literature. It may do the job
(10:49):
for a second and then all of a sudden you
realize that you've just read, um, junk food. Really?
S3 (10:55):
Yeah. Speaking of air slop. Mhm. One place that I
notice it in particular is on YouTube. So, uh, I
like to watch a lot of historical content, but also
a lot of Christian content. So it's all very word heavy,
very subject rich information, rich kind of stuff. And the
(11:15):
amount of times that I will find AI generated content,
it absolutely. It's a bugbear for me because the last
thing I want to hear when I'm looking for historical
documentary or someone presenting on a particular scripture or something,
is an AI, uh, turd, basically, you know, I don't
(11:37):
want some, something that someone's just got AI to regurgitate.
I want to, you know, human perspective.
S2 (11:44):
And that is the thing. And yes, you do find
it quite a lot. I mean, I've fallen down in
that trap at um, quite a few times and sort
of listen to this thing going, something's not quite right here. Yes,
there's some pretty pictures. So, um. Yes, I can at
least see the pictures. Um, but there's something not right
about the voice and I don't know, it's, it's not
quite like live television, for example, um, which the AI
(12:08):
tends to get certain words wrong just to suddenly take
you out of, um, some something. So and the big
one being. Yes, live and, and live, which um.
S3 (12:17):
Read and read as well.
S2 (12:19):
Yes, yes. Well, yeah, I'm happy that we can tell
the difference by, by it, but it also it means
that someone is generating this um stuff and actually making
money out of it, even though we're sort of clicking
halfway through it and, uh, it's, uh, yeah, it's not
giving us what we want.
S3 (12:36):
Our music's another thing. Oh, like I was in, uh,
my support workers car the other day, and I had
this Spotify playlist going and I was like, this is
AI music. And they're like, yeah. I'm like, turn it off, please.
I don't want to listen to music. That's some computer
program has generated. I want to listen to human stories
(12:59):
told through human music.
S2 (13:01):
All right, so who have we got next?
S3 (13:03):
I think we have Jennifer, and she's gonna expand more
on the BMI, AI and things like that.
S2 (13:09):
Ah, yes. And the mysterious lumen.
S6 (13:13):
I use a few AI tools, ChatGPT being one of them,
to help frame words more professionally around things, to reword
things to make it look better. Once I've written up content,
it could be a letter or an email, etc. I
also use seeing AI to read labels on things or
to read where mail might be from. I've also used
it to tell me colors a few things. By far
(13:35):
the most regular use I use it for reading text.
I also use a thing called lumen, which currently works
with gmail accounts, is a completely voice controlled app just about.
And it will read, write and help you navigate your
email in your inbox. It's pretty good as well. It's
a free app at the moment. LUMIN. That's how you
(13:56):
spell it. I also use BMI to describe photos. It
works very, very well. Also, use IRA II for the
same thing. And sure, there's other things, but those are
the main ones that I use all the time.
S3 (14:13):
Basically, I think people using AI to describe images or text,
I think the meta glasses sort of count as AI
as well in their own way. That's been the main
thing that's popped up for me is people using AI
to describe something. And actually, I have an example of this. Yesterday,
(14:34):
for some reason I could not get my treadmill to work.
So I actually took a couple of photos of bit
live while I was in ChatGPT to try and see
if he could tell me where on the screen I
could press to get it to work, because the start
panel down at the bottom wasn't working like it usually does,
and it gave me a full layout of the screen
(14:57):
where the buttons were and what I should press and
what I should try. Granted, I wasn't able to get
it working. This treadmill is definitely on its way out
and I had to get Stephen to assist. But I
had told Stephen what ChatGPT had reported was on the
screen and the layout of the buttons, and he said
that the. It was totally correct.
S2 (15:16):
So dear listener, okay, we use um, well, there's, there's one, um,
honorable mention that I'm going to give of something I've
tried out and that I've rejected using. And that is it's, uh,
called descript. So descript is a, is a program which
you use to edit audio using the transcript of, of
a program. And what you can do is you can
tell it to remove all of the ums as and
(15:40):
filler words. And I tried that once and it did
a really, really good job of it, but probably too
good a job as in it cut things words off
as well. So what you tend to find often is
someone will say, and um, and if you cut the, um,
at the end of that, it sounds funny.
S3 (15:55):
Yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. I can imagine
that that would be quite difficult because it would have
trouble kind of cutting it right on the arm as well.
And you're right, people do tend to join on to
other words.
S2 (16:10):
And that's kind of what it did all the way through.
So and what I found really, really fascinating though, is
I've had people coming to assist me with Peter Greco's work,
for example, and some of them are been a bit
younger and they've started editing in a similar way that
AI automatically edits. And it's like, well, the whole point
of us going through and manually doing what we do
(16:32):
is so that it sounds natural. So I.
S3 (16:36):
Used to do.
S2 (16:36):
That. I know, I know, and, um, so there are
some skills that yes, uh, AI will probably replace certain
people with. But there are still certain things that we
are better at, and I hope we remain better at
that for our own damn good. But the other two
things we use pretty much all the time is a
program called Adobe Podcasts. And I believe you've started using
(16:58):
the same thing as well.
S3 (16:59):
Yes. My lovely computer teacher who will hear from next
Garth sent me the link again and we went through
the process of signing in and uploading my first piece
of audio on Friday, and now I can send the
audio to you all cleaned up.
S2 (17:15):
And that is what we heard before. And in fact, uh,
if you want to just tell us a little bit
about the process, because seeing as we're recording over Zoom,
I'm going to switch the AI off for a certain
period of time and give you the listener an idea
of how good this damn thing is. So, Lizzie, tell
me the process of uploading something to Adobe podcast.
S3 (17:37):
Well, hello, Sam, I'm reporting to you from my office, which,
as you can hear now that the AI is switched off,
it's quite echoey.
S7 (17:43):
Sounds like a toilet.
S3 (17:44):
It does, doesn't it? It feels like a toilet sometimes too. Anyway,
the process includes going into the Adobe podcast website. It
is a website. It's not a desktop app as far
as I know. I'm probably wrong there.
S7 (17:59):
No, there's definitely a website.
S3 (18:01):
But once you've signed in and kept yourself logged in,
which I've done, there's a button that says Choose Files.
It then takes you into your computer or USB, whatever
you're on. You can choose the file that you want.
Press enter. It will upload the file. It'll enhance the speech.
(18:21):
Separate the background. Take away the echo. It's there's a
whole bunch of stuff that. It goes through enhancing speech.
It does that a couple of times. And then once
it's uploaded, it gives you an option to play it,
which I always do just to make sure it sounds good.
And then you can go and download that. And once
(18:42):
you've downloaded that, you've got a cleaned up version of
your original audio.
S2 (18:46):
Some of the downfalls of it can be, for example, um,
I've used the professional version now, um, which, uh, is
one of the, uh, benefits of working in the field
that we work in and which means that I can
adjust some of the settings early on, uh, Peter Greco
had a, an interview with someone live in Paris at
(19:07):
the Paralympics, and they had all this wonderful sound in
the background and that so you could pick it up.
And the AI dutifully got rid of all the background, uh,
cleaned her up really, really well, but it sounded like
she was in the studio. So what we can do nowadays,
if you have pay a little bit of money for
the professional version is adjust these things. So yes, you
(19:29):
do get a bit of background in there. So which
we have done to considerable effect when we've been out
and about at various conferences and things like that. So yes,
there's a lot of work that comes into it. And
the other thing, of course, is, dear listener, you might
have noticed that our podcast pictures have changed a little bit.
And yes, I do use an AI agent to sometimes
(19:54):
do our podcast pictures because it's just so handy to
describe something. I don't think it I think it's artful
in any particular way, but it's handy to say, all right,
draw me this cartoon. So that's where we use it.
S3 (20:07):
Speaking of AI pictures, Sam, do you remember the picture
I sent you that ChatGPT made of Mackenzie towing a
steam train?
S2 (20:14):
Ah, yes. Yes, yes.
S3 (20:15):
Yes, that was particularly funny, I thought, although my appearance
seemed to take on quite Asian characteristics, which I'm not
sure why. I'm not sure why ChatGPT decided to make
me look that way, but there you go.
S2 (20:28):
Herein lies the problem with AI as well is, unlike
other programs and algorithms, it will take its best guess
on something. It won't throw up an error message and say, sorry,
I can't do that. It will simply, um, see what happens. And,
and if, if you have been listening to our program
for a while, you will sometimes hear, hear examples of
(20:48):
that in some of the earlier interviews that we have
done and use the, uh, client to clean things up.
And sometimes it's made someone, well, I used to call
it Dalek ification because it makes them sound like a Dalek,
but nowadays it's got better, so we shall see. Anyway,
on to our last interview. And this is the person
that's been helping you out a great deal, I believe.
S3 (21:08):
Yeah. Garth Humphries, he's absolutely amazing. He's been teaching me
all the new tricks I've been learning. Just a great teacher,
very patient, very knowledgeable man.
S2 (21:19):
Well, hopefully, dear listener, in the near future, he's going
to be teaching me how to use Nvda because we're
going to do an episode about what it is like
for a sighted person to try and use just a
keyboard and speech software to navigate a computer, so we
can look forward to that. But anyway, here's Garth. Oh, when.
S8 (21:38):
We first started using AI, and I think there's probably
a common story is things like be my eyes and
using it for any kind of description. Seeing AI even,
I guess is, you know, early, early on, whether it's
matching clothes or reading a menu or just so many
things just throughout the day, it's made possible.
S3 (21:58):
For how long ago did you start using Be My
Eyes and seeing AI and how long have they been
out for?
S8 (22:03):
It's getting to a point now where it feels like
those sort of tools have just always been there, but
it has only been the last 2 or 3 years.
I suppose that it's been to the point where it
is now, but maybe even longer than that.
S3 (22:13):
How have you seen them improve over time?
S8 (22:15):
Just the sort of the quality of the descriptions you're getting,
the speed of what you're getting. And I think, you know,
that's for tools like Be My Eyes, we're getting closer
and closer to having real time description like that in
apps like Orion where using it for things like, hey,
I've dropped an AirPod, can you help me find it?
And just moving your phone around and go, oh, yep,
(22:36):
there it is. There. You know, it gives you directions
and audio signals on how to find the AirPod on
the floor, things like that. It's really useful.
S3 (22:45):
I don't even know what to Ryan.
S8 (22:46):
It's an app that you can work through your meta
glasses as well. Matter of given support for that to happen.
It'll give you sort of real time description of, you know,
as you're walking along, it's a bit hit and miss.
I wouldn't use it as your primary navigational device at all.
But for example, things like I've told it, hey, can
(23:08):
you tell me if you see anything directly on my
pathway and it'll go that path is clear, path is
clear every 30s or so. And then it might say, yep,
there's a rubbish bin on the pathway there to the
right to miss it, things like that. Uh, you can
also use it around the house. It's got a whole
list of pre-done items that you can find. It'll basically
(23:30):
keep an eye out for that particular thing that you've selected,
or you can just ask it. There's a sort of
a prompt field where you can just talk to it
and say, like, I gave the example of the AirPods
and just give it a prompt to find it.
S3 (23:44):
Do you use anything like ChatGPT or Grok or Claude?
S8 (23:48):
You know, on iPhones you have an action button. If
it's a 15 pro or newer sort of thing, and
you can assign that action to do whatever you like,
basically a number of things anyway. I've for quite a
while had that as my ChatGPT button. So I just
press and hold the side button and I'm straight into
a call with ChatGPT. The other one I've used a
(24:09):
lot lately is Claude. For me at the moment, I'm
using it to create software that I want that is
designed for me to use, like it's bespoke. And I
think we're all going to have the ability to just
create bespoke solutions to problems that we find. So for me,
you know, I've got a stream deck that the software
(24:30):
is not very accessible. It's a sort of a grid
of buttons that you can have then assigned to macros
on your computer. For example, within Zoom, you can have
it set so that if zooms up. Pressing this button
will share the screen. Pressing that button will hang up
or mute or all sorts of actions. Now there is
a open deck, which was a sort of a an
(24:50):
open source software to control it that was supposed to
have some accessibility. I tried it on the Mac. It
didn't work very well. So I got Claude to make
me my own version of that software with the features
I wanted. I have to do these screen captures now.
There's various ways of doing that, but none of them
were really the way I wanted them to be. So
I've got Claude to build a whole audio and video
(25:12):
editing suite centered around the kind of work that I'm
doing with the screen captures. Look, it's slightly addictive. It's
amazing to be able to have an idea and have
it turned into reality. You know, I'm not a coder.
I have next to no coding skills, but I can
articulate the UI I want and the feature set I want,
(25:34):
and I can test to see if it's working properly.
And it's not like, oh, give me this. And it's
there straight away. It's it's backwards and forwards. It's needing
to actually test like it'll think it's done something and
it sort of works, but it doesn't quite work. And
with iteration though, with going backwards and forwards with Claude,
I've got it to the point now where it's super functional.
(25:57):
The real excitement that I have from something like Claude
is that ability, as I mentioned, to be able to
make an idea into reality.
S3 (26:05):
So where do you think AI is going in the future? Like,
what improvements do you see happening over the next ten
years specifically for blind people or people with low vision?
S8 (26:15):
I think more and more of these sort of tools,
and I think in the next ten years we're looking at,
as I said, bespoke solutions. So you as an average
user can go, this is the problem I want to solve.
Can you help create an app to solve that problem
for me? And it'll be there.
S3 (26:31):
That sounds amazing and all very complicated and like things
that I don't understand.
S8 (26:36):
And I think that's what it feels like at first.
Lots of us now have had those sort of conversations
with the chat bots, but to actually take that next
step to creating software solutions to problems is pretty empowering,
I think.
S3 (26:50):
What are the downsides that you see to AI? Because
obviously we're getting people writing essays using ChatGPT, and schools
and unis are having to crack down on the use
of AI chat sites. So what are some of the
downsides that you see to AI?
S8 (27:04):
There's a lot like that. I think that is, you know,
a really big area that you need to like, how
can you trust anybody's work? Is that work? They've presented
a fair representation of them or just what Claude has
told them or ChatGPT has told them today. I think
some of the other sort of things to be careful of,
maybe are people getting too reliant on these chat bots
(27:26):
as an emotional support almost because you can talk to
them about anything you like within reason, and they will
give you the answer they it thinks you want to hear.
So I think it could be quite a trap for
people to get. I'm not going to say, you know,
emotionally tied, but yes, emotionally dependent on some of the tools.
(27:46):
And then does it always give you the right advice?
It'll couch advice and saying, you know, I'm not a
psychologist or I'm not a doctor or whatever. But even
with that couching of the of the response it gives you,
it still gives you a response. Yeah. And thinking you're
almost feeling as though you're talking to another person.
S3 (28:04):
Yeah. Except it doesn't know what coffee I like. So
it's a terrible friend.
S8 (28:10):
Well, that's something that it can remember though if you
tell it.
S2 (28:14):
That's a wrap for this week. A big thank you
to Stephanie, Caroline, Jennifer and Garth.
S3 (28:19):
And of course, a big thanks to you for listening.
That includes our listeners on the Reading Radio Network or
wherever you may be listening from. You can download the
podcast of this program, plus some extra content from time
to time on Apple, Spotify, Google, or your favorite podcast
platform next week.
S2 (28:35):
If you have a disability, there can be challenges in
finding and maintaining Friendships. We decided to get some professional help.
S3 (28:42):
We're asking a professional counsellor what we can do to
stay on stable ground and maybe stop being too needy.
S2 (28:49):
Yeah, I haven't heard from you in ages. No phone
call you haven't written? Not even a postcard.
S3 (28:55):
Oh, cut it out.
S2 (28:56):
But between now and then, please do get in touch
with the show. Whether you have experience of any of
the issues covered on this week's episode of Studio One,
or if you think there's something we should be talking about.
You never know. Your story and insight may help somebody
else who is dealing with something similar.
S3 (29:09):
You can contact us via email at studio 1@australia.org. That's
studio number 1@australia.org. Or of course, you can jump into
our WhatsApp group by following the link in the podcast notes.
We want to hear from you.
S2 (29:23):
Bye for now.
S1 (29:23):
Studio one was produced in the Adelaide Studios of Vision
Australia Radio. This show was made possible with the help
of the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more@kbf.org.au.
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