May 19, 2022 • 17 mins
Who doesn’t love footy?
Nick Hatzoglou talks sport, the importance of inclusion in football, working with and supporting a blind employee.
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S1 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to the Career Path. A recent report
from Sweeney and Vision Australia revealed that 83% of employers
surveyed lacked confidence in hiring someone with a vision impairment.
With this podcast, we hope to delve further into this
issue by speaking to job seekers, employers and employees to
hear their perspectives. Each episode will be available to download
(00:39):
as a podcast, just go to Vision Australia org and
type the career path into the search engine to find
our webpage where you can listen to other episodes and
subscribe to make sure that you don't miss any. Hi,
I'm your host, Belinda Wilson. Today we are speaking with
Nick Hartzog, head of Diversity and Inclusion and Community Projects
(00:59):
at Football Victoria. Nick, thank you so much for joining
us today.
S2 (01:03):
It's great to be on the career path with you, Belinda,
and I look forward to this podcast.
S1 (01:08):
So Nick, just to make this clear, you are actually
an employer of people with disabilities and people with low
vision and blindness, and you are not vision impaired yourself.
That's correct.
S2 (01:18):
Belinda. Our organisation, Football Victoria, is really pleased to be
part of this podcast and to engage with people that
are visually challenged and we look forward to making a difference.
S1 (01:30):
Nick For those of us who are not familiar, what
is Football Victoria and what do they do?
S2 (01:35):
Football Victoria is the governing body for football in this
state of Victoria and our clear purpose is to include
Victorians from all walks of life to live and love football.
We are a member of Football Australia and FIFA internationally
and our job is to promote, administer and deliver football
(01:56):
and futsal, indoor football across the state. We do that
through a variety of programs and some of which include diversity, inclusion.
We cater to semi-professional amateurs, women and girls, youth, referees, coaches,
officials and of course, the almighty volunteers we work collaboratively
(02:17):
with with government, whether that's federal or state, to ensure
that we deliver on our purposes. And we have 70
people that work for our organisation and we have over
40,000 fixtures across the season. We're ambitious. One of the
new initiatives that we are aiming for is to have
(02:38):
50/50 gender equity by 2027. Just to summarize, we have
358 member clubs and close to 70,000 participants.
S1 (02:48):
Wow, that is a huge organisation. So futsal is indoor football.
Just to clarify, for those of us who are not
that familiar with football now.
S2 (02:58):
That's right. Football is a game that's consumed in a
number of ways, and indoor football or futsal is very,
very popular. Lots of people want to play the game,
you know, particularly in the winter months. But all year round,
that's just another platform that the game is enjoyed.
S1 (03:16):
Football Victoria has a lot of programs that encourage a
wide range of people to be involved in football. So
can you tell me more about these programs?
S2 (03:24):
Yes, sticking to our vision for football for all, anywhere,
any time. We cater for a number of ways and
we go about it. So if you want to play football,
we're here to help. And some people, you know, they
just want to volunteer, they want to coach, they want
to be an official or a referee. You know, you
might know someone with a disability or you have a
disability yourself or another ability. And we have a website
(03:48):
that summarizes a lot of our programs. Football Victoria, all
one word.com, dot slash community slash programs. So just to
give you an insight into some of the programs we have,
we have an all abilities league and there's lots of
clubs involved with that, up to 20 different clubs in
(04:08):
the north west, south and east of Melbourne that participate
in that. We have autism programs, we have walking football,
wheelchair and powerchair football, blind football, which maybe coordinate some,
is representative of the Australian blind football team and we
do that in partnership with Blind Football Australia. We were
(04:30):
successful in getting some funding from the Victorian Government through
the Together More Active fund that provides added resources. So
we can make sure that we minimize barriers to entry
and barriers to participation. And we're also supported proudly by
care Match Works. And Jen, you who have been with
us for several years.
S1 (04:50):
This is an incredibly supported program That's absolutely amazing. And
what I love that you just said is you depend
on the volunteers. So how are the volunteers involved in
this huge, huge initiative?
S2 (05:03):
The volunteers are involved in every way. For example, when
we conduct our All Abilities league in Durham and other
places as far away as Geelong NOCs, our volunteers are
the carers. They help organise the fixtures under our guidance.
They help coach the, help support the participants and we
(05:25):
look for ways that we can include them in the
co-design of the program. So our volunteers are immense part
of the program and we're always looking to. Build our
volunteers to train them and also to get their insights
and reflections on our programs so we can maintain continuous
improvement and really add value.
S1 (05:47):
So you're not just talking the talk, you are walking
the walk about inclusivity here.
S2 (05:50):
We try to. We see this as a two way learning.
We're always learning and we're looking for ways that we
can be better and to reflect all those communities, you know,
And remember, our vision is football for all, anywhere, any time.
So we need to be true to our values and
our vision. So we're always looking for ways that we
can become better. Someone once said that one action equals,
(06:11):
you know, thousands of words. So we try and live
up to that. We try and have a go and
learn by doing. And I've got a wonderful team of
colleagues that we all banded together and we we try
and do the best we can and we're always looking
to learn and being better as well by understanding, we
(06:32):
feel like we're becoming better people and better citizens. Well, you.
S1 (06:36):
Personally have had a lot of experience in community development,
inclusion and sport. So what attracted you to this career?
S2 (06:43):
I'm a son of migrants that came out from Greece,
very humble beginnings, and I was fortunate enough to be
born here. But I quickly learned that in Australia, sport
in particular was a great vehicle to get to know
people from other faiths and other backgrounds and football or
(07:03):
other sports were really popular. So that was a wonderful
way for me to engage and to learn and become
part of this community that I lived in, and also
to flourish and to become the best you can be.
Because through learning about the system, learning about other people,
engaging with with other people certainly allowed me to, you know,
(07:25):
be the best version of myself and to flourish in
this country and to take advantage of all the opportunities
that exist.
S1 (07:32):
So I'm guessing you still play football pretty actively.
S2 (07:35):
Unfortunately, I don't play football that actively anymore, but I
certainly get out there with my kids and support them
in their aspirations and other people in the community of
coach before and volunteered and help write up grants these
days and through my work, try and reach out and
be an enabler. So try and get people to embrace programs,
(07:57):
you know, all sorts of programs. But disability programs in
particular is certain. Favorite.
S1 (08:03):
Why is that a favorite for you?
S2 (08:04):
Because it tends to people that are underrepresented in the
participation figures. And if I can make a difference or
if I can through some effort, provide an opportunity for
a family, for an individual to participate, to become part
of what the rest of society sometimes takes for granted,
(08:25):
I think that's really gratifying work. And certainly, you know,
it makes me feel good. It's good for me personally,
but it also I know is helping, you know, whether
that's parents or an individual to become the best version
of themselves and to lead a more healthier lifestyle and
be engaged with the broader community. So I think that's
(08:47):
really important.
S1 (08:48):
So you have personally hired someone with a vision impairment
as a sighted person. What was that experience like for you.
S2 (08:55):
Right from the outset? And I have to acknowledge the
vision of my CEO, Tim, on patio doors. He actually
came up with the idea, and Kim is one of
those people that continually challenges the staff and myself. And
one day we had a meeting and we were meeting
with Blind Football Australia and we were talking about all
the initiatives that we could undertake in our action plan
(09:18):
because we like to commit to stuff and that's the
way we like to operate and have measures and time frames.
So we did that and then, you know, came on,
wasn't saying much, and then sort of jumped out and said,
But can we do more and can't we do more?
And for me, I'm always one to embrace that, especially
from your CEOs. I knew Amir. I crossed paths with
(09:41):
Amir previously and I had him in mind. But there
was no guarantees what we were going to employ him.
But Kim on, you know, challenged us and I thought,
the CEO is asking to put someone on and and
I know how important it is when you want to
make an impact and to people's lives or to a
program by employing someone a resource. And in this case,
(10:01):
it made so much sense because you know, who better
than a blind person to run blind football? They are
aware of all the challenges, all the barriers, all the opportunities.
So one thing led to another. And David Connolly, who's
been a really strong advocate and someone that we work
closely with, helped connect the dots. And before we knew it,
(10:22):
you know, Amir was engaged, even though it was only
one day a week. It wasn't about the part time status.
It was about getting someone in. And through that we've
learned so much by having a. Me are in the building.
It's been a wonderful journey so far and we've learned
so much. Staff have become better at engaging with people
(10:44):
with visual challenges. And, you know, we're looking forward to
the next phase.
S1 (10:50):
What sort of challenges were there, you know, knowing nothing
about vision impairment and hiring someone with a vision impairment,
what sort of challenges did you face and overcome with Amir?
S2 (11:00):
So the challenges are I saw them as opportunities, but
it was in every way. I haven't engaged extensively with
people that are fully blind like Amir is, but our
hearts connected. When I first met him, we went out
to a trial and he was a key figure in
that exhibition game. And, you know, our hearts connected. I
(11:21):
really took a liking to him, his journey from that.
I wasn't afraid of, Oh, I'm going to get it
wrong or I'm not going to understand this, and he's
going to get upset. You know, once we we felt
comfortable with with each other, I was just myself. And really,
I just asked him anything. And he was forthright with
his answers and responses. And he put me at ease
(11:43):
as far as don't worry, if you don't understand something,
just ask me. We educated each other about everything involved
in his employment, not only myself, but other colleagues. You know,
we had some senior executives, Karen Pierce, she was very
welcoming and she was a great support for Amir and
came on. Of course, the CEO went out of his
(12:05):
way to make sure that Amir had everything he needed.
And we proceeded and we learned every day there was
a new learning. You know, he's got and Amir's got
a guide dog. So we had to cater for the
for the dog in the building and we had to
learn all the protocols around. You know, you don't disturb
the dog, you don't pat it and all those sort
of things. And they were all just that was just
a journey of learning. And all of our staff soon
(12:28):
engaged with Amir and I'm sure they're better for it.
We made sure the dog was comfortable in the building.
We adjusted the lifts by putting Braille on all the
different buttons and stuff so Amir could navigate his way
around the place. I see it as a two way learning.
We're all learning and and I think that's what Kim
had in mind when he when he did it. He
(12:49):
wanted us to learn by doing. And that's exactly what's
been happening.
S1 (12:53):
So one of the concerns that employers have is about
adjustments and the concern that adjustments will take too long
or the process will be so hard that it will
be impossible. What it sounds like you're saying is that
the adjustment process for you guys was actually pretty simple.
S2 (13:09):
Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. Like, you know, just watching
how Amir goes about his business and how he navigates
the computer and his mobile phone emails, all of that stuff.
There's a solution for everything. And Vision Australia was fantastic
in their support. Someone came in, work with our IT department,
(13:30):
got the Jaws system working and you can access and do,
you know, just do everything that's required of a staff member.
And I would say that it wasn't onerous at all.
It was it was just it did take some time. But,
you know, we got there and he's he's an amazing person.
He just goes about doing whatever he has to do.
(13:51):
He's wonderful. And meetings, what he brings is a point
of difference in that we all bring a point of difference.
But Amir brings someone with that's challenged, you know, visually
and to be part of a committee meeting and make
a real impact and, you know, talked about co-design before,
it's wonderful to have the voice of someone from that perspective.
(14:15):
And it is so important.
S1 (14:17):
The amount of inclusivity and representation that you guys are
talking about is is absolutely amazing. A lot of employers
say that they're inclusive in their websites, but applicants have
found several barriers to employment. So what advice would you
give to other employers who are listening in regards to
trying to be more inclusive?
S3 (14:37):
So I would.
S2 (14:38):
Say have a go. You know, I would say actions
speak louder than words. I would say bring those words
on the pages alive through action. It's so worthwhile not
only for the person that's being engaged, but the whole organization.
We're fortunate. We live in a beautiful country, Australia. We thought,
you know, it's an affluent country and we can impact
(15:02):
so many people and include them. So I would say that,
you know, get them involved, be agile, innovative. There's an
answer for everything. There's a way around any challenges that
you might face. And one thing that we're trying to
do now is to leave a legacy where these sort
of actions and employment possibilities happen beyond my time in
the organization, bringing about systemic change and making sure that
(15:26):
advocacy is really, really strong and that we keep building.
So it's really important for me and my team that
we leave it better than we found it. And. We
hope the people that come after us can do the same.
S1 (15:39):
Today we were speaking with Nick Hachalu, the head of
Diversity and Inclusion and Community projects at Football Victoria. As
you can hear, they are doing amazing things in terms
of diversity and inclusion. Thank you so much for speaking
with us.
S2 (15:54):
I really welcome the opportunity today to speak to you, Belinda,
and to your listeners. Just pick up the phone, get
in touch with us and we've got lots and lots
of ways you can engage with our game and I
look forward to accommodating as much as we can. And
once again, thank you very much for this interview.
S1 (16:11):
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Thanks for traveling with us along the career path.
Hello and welcome to the Career Path. A recent report
from Sweeney and Vision Australia revealed that 83% of employers
surveyed lacked confidence in hiring someone with a vision impairment.
With this podcast, we hope to delve further into this
issue by speaking to job seekers, employers and employees to
hear their perspectives. Each episode will be available to download
(00:39):
as a podcast, just go to Vision Australia org and
type the career path into the search engine to find
our webpage where you can listen to other episodes and
subscribe to make sure that you don't miss any. Hi,
I'm your host, Belinda Wilson. Today we are speaking with
Nick Hartzog, head of Diversity and Inclusion and Community Projects
(00:59):
at Football Victoria. Nick, thank you so much for joining
us today.
S2 (01:03):
It's great to be on the career path with you, Belinda,
and I look forward to this podcast.
S1 (01:08):
So Nick, just to make this clear, you are actually
an employer of people with disabilities and people with low
vision and blindness, and you are not vision impaired yourself.
That's correct.
S2 (01:18):
Belinda. Our organisation, Football Victoria, is really pleased to be
part of this podcast and to engage with people that
are visually challenged and we look forward to making a difference.
S1 (01:30):
Nick For those of us who are not familiar, what
is Football Victoria and what do they do?
S2 (01:35):
Football Victoria is the governing body for football in this
state of Victoria and our clear purpose is to include
Victorians from all walks of life to live and love football.
We are a member of Football Australia and FIFA internationally
and our job is to promote, administer and deliver football
(01:56):
and futsal, indoor football across the state. We do that
through a variety of programs and some of which include diversity, inclusion.
We cater to semi-professional amateurs, women and girls, youth, referees, coaches,
officials and of course, the almighty volunteers we work collaboratively
(02:17):
with with government, whether that's federal or state, to ensure
that we deliver on our purposes. And we have 70
people that work for our organisation and we have over
40,000 fixtures across the season. We're ambitious. One of the
new initiatives that we are aiming for is to have
(02:38):
50/50 gender equity by 2027. Just to summarize, we have
358 member clubs and close to 70,000 participants.
S1 (02:48):
Wow, that is a huge organisation. So futsal is indoor football.
Just to clarify, for those of us who are not
that familiar with football now.
S2 (02:58):
That's right. Football is a game that's consumed in a
number of ways, and indoor football or futsal is very,
very popular. Lots of people want to play the game,
you know, particularly in the winter months. But all year round,
that's just another platform that the game is enjoyed.
S1 (03:16):
Football Victoria has a lot of programs that encourage a
wide range of people to be involved in football. So
can you tell me more about these programs?
S2 (03:24):
Yes, sticking to our vision for football for all, anywhere,
any time. We cater for a number of ways and
we go about it. So if you want to play football,
we're here to help. And some people, you know, they
just want to volunteer, they want to coach, they want
to be an official or a referee. You know, you
might know someone with a disability or you have a
disability yourself or another ability. And we have a website
(03:48):
that summarizes a lot of our programs. Football Victoria, all
one word.com, dot slash community slash programs. So just to
give you an insight into some of the programs we have,
we have an all abilities league and there's lots of
clubs involved with that, up to 20 different clubs in
(04:08):
the north west, south and east of Melbourne that participate
in that. We have autism programs, we have walking football,
wheelchair and powerchair football, blind football, which maybe coordinate some,
is representative of the Australian blind football team and we
do that in partnership with Blind Football Australia. We were
(04:30):
successful in getting some funding from the Victorian Government through
the Together More Active fund that provides added resources. So
we can make sure that we minimize barriers to entry
and barriers to participation. And we're also supported proudly by
care Match Works. And Jen, you who have been with
us for several years.
S1 (04:50):
This is an incredibly supported program That's absolutely amazing. And
what I love that you just said is you depend
on the volunteers. So how are the volunteers involved in
this huge, huge initiative?
S2 (05:03):
The volunteers are involved in every way. For example, when
we conduct our All Abilities league in Durham and other
places as far away as Geelong NOCs, our volunteers are
the carers. They help organise the fixtures under our guidance.
They help coach the, help support the participants and we
(05:25):
look for ways that we can include them in the
co-design of the program. So our volunteers are immense part
of the program and we're always looking to. Build our
volunteers to train them and also to get their insights
and reflections on our programs so we can maintain continuous
improvement and really add value.
S1 (05:47):
So you're not just talking the talk, you are walking
the walk about inclusivity here.
S2 (05:50):
We try to. We see this as a two way learning.
We're always learning and we're looking for ways that we
can be better and to reflect all those communities, you know,
And remember, our vision is football for all, anywhere, any time.
So we need to be true to our values and
our vision. So we're always looking for ways that we
can become better. Someone once said that one action equals,
(06:11):
you know, thousands of words. So we try and live
up to that. We try and have a go and
learn by doing. And I've got a wonderful team of
colleagues that we all banded together and we we try
and do the best we can and we're always looking
to learn and being better as well by understanding, we
(06:32):
feel like we're becoming better people and better citizens. Well, you.
S1 (06:36):
Personally have had a lot of experience in community development,
inclusion and sport. So what attracted you to this career?
S2 (06:43):
I'm a son of migrants that came out from Greece,
very humble beginnings, and I was fortunate enough to be
born here. But I quickly learned that in Australia, sport
in particular was a great vehicle to get to know
people from other faiths and other backgrounds and football or
(07:03):
other sports were really popular. So that was a wonderful
way for me to engage and to learn and become
part of this community that I lived in, and also
to flourish and to become the best you can be.
Because through learning about the system, learning about other people,
engaging with with other people certainly allowed me to, you know,
(07:25):
be the best version of myself and to flourish in
this country and to take advantage of all the opportunities
that exist.
S1 (07:32):
So I'm guessing you still play football pretty actively.
S2 (07:35):
Unfortunately, I don't play football that actively anymore, but I
certainly get out there with my kids and support them
in their aspirations and other people in the community of
coach before and volunteered and help write up grants these
days and through my work, try and reach out and
be an enabler. So try and get people to embrace programs,
(07:57):
you know, all sorts of programs. But disability programs in
particular is certain. Favorite.
S1 (08:03):
Why is that a favorite for you?
S2 (08:04):
Because it tends to people that are underrepresented in the
participation figures. And if I can make a difference or
if I can through some effort, provide an opportunity for
a family, for an individual to participate, to become part
of what the rest of society sometimes takes for granted,
(08:25):
I think that's really gratifying work. And certainly, you know,
it makes me feel good. It's good for me personally,
but it also I know is helping, you know, whether
that's parents or an individual to become the best version
of themselves and to lead a more healthier lifestyle and
be engaged with the broader community. So I think that's
(08:47):
really important.
S1 (08:48):
So you have personally hired someone with a vision impairment
as a sighted person. What was that experience like for you.
S2 (08:55):
Right from the outset? And I have to acknowledge the
vision of my CEO, Tim, on patio doors. He actually
came up with the idea, and Kim is one of
those people that continually challenges the staff and myself. And
one day we had a meeting and we were meeting
with Blind Football Australia and we were talking about all
the initiatives that we could undertake in our action plan
(09:18):
because we like to commit to stuff and that's the
way we like to operate and have measures and time frames.
So we did that and then, you know, came on,
wasn't saying much, and then sort of jumped out and said,
But can we do more and can't we do more?
And for me, I'm always one to embrace that, especially
from your CEOs. I knew Amir. I crossed paths with
(09:41):
Amir previously and I had him in mind. But there
was no guarantees what we were going to employ him.
But Kim on, you know, challenged us and I thought,
the CEO is asking to put someone on and and
I know how important it is when you want to
make an impact and to people's lives or to a
program by employing someone a resource. And in this case,
(10:01):
it made so much sense because you know, who better
than a blind person to run blind football? They are
aware of all the challenges, all the barriers, all the opportunities.
So one thing led to another. And David Connolly, who's
been a really strong advocate and someone that we work
closely with, helped connect the dots. And before we knew it,
(10:22):
you know, Amir was engaged, even though it was only
one day a week. It wasn't about the part time status.
It was about getting someone in. And through that we've
learned so much by having a. Me are in the building.
It's been a wonderful journey so far and we've learned
so much. Staff have become better at engaging with people
(10:44):
with visual challenges. And, you know, we're looking forward to
the next phase.
S1 (10:50):
What sort of challenges were there, you know, knowing nothing
about vision impairment and hiring someone with a vision impairment,
what sort of challenges did you face and overcome with Amir?
S2 (11:00):
So the challenges are I saw them as opportunities, but
it was in every way. I haven't engaged extensively with
people that are fully blind like Amir is, but our
hearts connected. When I first met him, we went out
to a trial and he was a key figure in
that exhibition game. And, you know, our hearts connected. I
(11:21):
really took a liking to him, his journey from that.
I wasn't afraid of, Oh, I'm going to get it
wrong or I'm not going to understand this, and he's
going to get upset. You know, once we we felt
comfortable with with each other, I was just myself. And really,
I just asked him anything. And he was forthright with
his answers and responses. And he put me at ease
(11:43):
as far as don't worry, if you don't understand something,
just ask me. We educated each other about everything involved
in his employment, not only myself, but other colleagues. You know,
we had some senior executives, Karen Pierce, she was very
welcoming and she was a great support for Amir and
came on. Of course, the CEO went out of his
(12:05):
way to make sure that Amir had everything he needed.
And we proceeded and we learned every day there was
a new learning. You know, he's got and Amir's got
a guide dog. So we had to cater for the
for the dog in the building and we had to
learn all the protocols around. You know, you don't disturb
the dog, you don't pat it and all those sort
of things. And they were all just that was just
a journey of learning. And all of our staff soon
(12:28):
engaged with Amir and I'm sure they're better for it.
We made sure the dog was comfortable in the building.
We adjusted the lifts by putting Braille on all the
different buttons and stuff so Amir could navigate his way
around the place. I see it as a two way learning.
We're all learning and and I think that's what Kim
had in mind when he when he did it. He
(12:49):
wanted us to learn by doing. And that's exactly what's
been happening.
S1 (12:53):
So one of the concerns that employers have is about
adjustments and the concern that adjustments will take too long
or the process will be so hard that it will
be impossible. What it sounds like you're saying is that
the adjustment process for you guys was actually pretty simple.
S2 (13:09):
Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. Like, you know, just watching
how Amir goes about his business and how he navigates
the computer and his mobile phone emails, all of that stuff.
There's a solution for everything. And Vision Australia was fantastic
in their support. Someone came in, work with our IT department,
(13:30):
got the Jaws system working and you can access and do,
you know, just do everything that's required of a staff member.
And I would say that it wasn't onerous at all.
It was it was just it did take some time. But,
you know, we got there and he's he's an amazing person.
He just goes about doing whatever he has to do.
(13:51):
He's wonderful. And meetings, what he brings is a point
of difference in that we all bring a point of difference.
But Amir brings someone with that's challenged, you know, visually
and to be part of a committee meeting and make
a real impact and, you know, talked about co-design before,
it's wonderful to have the voice of someone from that perspective.
(14:15):
And it is so important.
S1 (14:17):
The amount of inclusivity and representation that you guys are
talking about is is absolutely amazing. A lot of employers
say that they're inclusive in their websites, but applicants have
found several barriers to employment. So what advice would you
give to other employers who are listening in regards to
trying to be more inclusive?
S3 (14:37):
So I would.
S2 (14:38):
Say have a go. You know, I would say actions
speak louder than words. I would say bring those words
on the pages alive through action. It's so worthwhile not
only for the person that's being engaged, but the whole organization.
We're fortunate. We live in a beautiful country, Australia. We thought,
you know, it's an affluent country and we can impact
(15:02):
so many people and include them. So I would say that,
you know, get them involved, be agile, innovative. There's an
answer for everything. There's a way around any challenges that
you might face. And one thing that we're trying to
do now is to leave a legacy where these sort
of actions and employment possibilities happen beyond my time in
the organization, bringing about systemic change and making sure that
(15:26):
advocacy is really, really strong and that we keep building.
So it's really important for me and my team that
we leave it better than we found it. And. We
hope the people that come after us can do the same.
S1 (15:39):
Today we were speaking with Nick Hachalu, the head of
Diversity and Inclusion and Community projects at Football Victoria. As
you can hear, they are doing amazing things in terms
of diversity and inclusion. Thank you so much for speaking
with us.
S2 (15:54):
I really welcome the opportunity today to speak to you, Belinda,
and to your listeners. Just pick up the phone, get
in touch with us and we've got lots and lots
of ways you can engage with our game and I
look forward to accommodating as much as we can. And
once again, thank you very much for this interview.
S1 (16:11):
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