The Kyle Bailey Show H1: Guys You Forgot Were Good

In the show's opening hour, Kyle brings a conversation from his buddies on air surrounding players across all sports that people forget were awesome, and Kyle looks at a key injury for the Panthers that hurts the defense in more ways than one.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good afternoon, Queen City.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hope you're doing well on this fine Wednesday afternoon, KB,
and smoke back for another round loaded show. Charles Lee,
Hornets head coach back in forty two minutes. They've got
the Milwaukee Bucks tonight. They're three and seven. LaMelo Ball
will not play, let's get that out of the way,
but he did practice yesterday and folks are hopeful that
he can play possibly Friday in the second of back

(00:51):
to back games against Milwaukee. So we'll talk about all
that with Charles Lee. Of course, the greatness that his
new rookie Conka Nipple has been exhibiting so far in
his career, that will come up as well. Roman Harper
coming up at five o'clock. We got the best audio
in sports to get to and a lot of fun
stuff to talk about, including well, let me back up,
this part's not fun. Talking about the game Panthers Falcons

(01:14):
is generally fun, but we have some injury news to
get to that might make the game, or at least
the conversation leading up to it, a little less fun,
a little bit concerning some injuries to talk about. But
first and foremost, we are emanating live from the Chandler
Volta Studios, the Carolinas personal injury lawyers. One call, that's
all go to Cvinjurylaw dot com. That is Cvinjurylaw dot com.

(01:36):
And the smoke. We say, good after, good afternoon to you, sir.
I apologize you're gonna have to carry me through the
show today. Your boy got injured again. I don't know,
I can't help it. Maybe it's another trip to neogenics.
But I took a foul ball off the top of
the foot today at a local hitting facility, and I
thought I broke the left I thought I broke my
left foot, and so I'm hobbling injured into the studio today.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Smoke. So I'm gonna need you to pick up some
of the slack.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Only took your second day of being forty years old
to do this, so very just noticing.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I'm noticing some stuff. Yeah, welcome to your forties.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
KTT.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, I appreciate it. I think this one would have
hurt in thirty nine or thirty. I don't think that
the age much makes a difference in this one, but
more to come on that front. We are, you know,
working on some fun things in the future local hitting
facility that had us out today, myself and Colin Hoggard.
We got to do the hit tracks. We got to
I got to hit virtually at Dodger Stadium today, which
was pretty awesome. You're looking at me, funny, It's oh yeah, No,

(02:30):
you could pick any big League park, any you could
hit at Truest Park virtually where the night's play, you
could hit it. A lot of college stadiums on the
hit track software and machines. So we were doing that
earlier today and your boy got a little frisky and
thought that I was, you know, still twenty eight and
playing all the time and in great shape, and I
took one off the top of the foot, and I
could have I would have sworn to you in the

(02:51):
moment that I broke my left foot. But I think
I'm gonna be okay other than hobbling around for the
next couple of days. So I will stay seated, and
I will I'll dispense my takes from the chair today
here in the WFN Z Studio seven oh four five,
seven oh ninety six ten. Hit us up on the
fan duel text line. One of the conversations we'll have
throughout the course of the show is and I was
talking to a buddy of mine last night and we

(03:12):
had one of those, you know, friend conversations, fellow sport
fan conversations where we're taking a trip down memory lane
and you know, talking about the the the the athletes
that we grew up watching and guys that you know,
that category of guy where man, he doesn't get enough
credit for how good he is man looking back, he doesn't.
I don't think people fully appreciate how good that guy

(03:35):
was back in the day. So that that's what I
want from the audience today. I'm gonna leave that kind
of open ended. But you know, the athlete, when you
talk about them, you say, man, people don't they don't
appreciate how good that guy actually was. He doesn't get
enough credit for how good. People forget how good he
was back in the day. I know you've got a
few of those in the chamber that you can deliver.

(03:57):
So hit us up seven oh four, five seven oh
ninety six ten. Who is that guy that just doesn't
get enough credit for how good he used to be.
I could already see the gears turning in your head
right now.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
It is funny.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
I was thinking about this last night because we were
talking about yesterday not even the best comparisons or expectations
for Conk Nipple were to fault where to funk that
the first ten games would be like this. I was thinking,
who would who kind of matches up to a stature,
and I looked up some of the draft comparisons. The
one that stood out the most was draws on Petrovich

(04:30):
mm hmmm and Drawsen.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Unfortunately his life came to an end way too soon.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I looked at the measurables very similar, and I think
if he was in this game today, he would be
shooting the ball a lot more frequently from behind the arcs.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So I thought of that one.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
But even though he's not the same player as Kanka Nipple,
I feel like if con could have this type of
role in the team that makes a deep run, that
would be massive. And this is a perfect guy for this.
Joe Dumars, Oh god, that's a good one. Joe Dumars
is the reason they won that second title. You know
when his dad died, and he had some of the

(05:04):
greatest performances as a piston. He had a great career
as a two guard for the most part, did play
a little bit of the point later in his career.
But I just feel like his career for being an
all time great and a Hall of Famer does not
get mentioned nearly enough as it should be, especially when
you consider he was on one of the most historic
teams in NBA history.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
That's a really I'll give you a football example one
that like jumped in my mind earlier today, by the way,
The theme is guys who don't get enough credit for
how good they were, like not the obvious stars. Might
might even be like a role player, bench player that
you think doesn't get enough, you know, credit for how
good they were. How about this one. I still don't
think people like football fans, maybe my age, certainly not

(05:44):
your age, appreciate how good Fred Taylor was for the Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Jaguars because he was in Jacksonville right.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Exactly like a nearly twelve thousand yards career rushing, which
is more than both Earl Campbell and OJ Simpson, by
the way, But he's barely discussed when up the all
time great running backs in the modern era football.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
And it feels like he's going to have to scratch
and claw his way into the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
I'd say almost every single weapon and basically the whole
entire Jags offense in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Mark Bronell.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I think Mark Brunell gets a lot of love just
because he was a lefty quarterback, and quarterbacks get more
attention even if he was in Jacksonville. But even his receivers,
Jimmy Smith, I think should have a legit case to
be in a Hall of Fame with the numbers he
put up in that era. Keenan McCardell, while not being
a Hall of Famer, he was a key cog to
the wheel of the Buccaneers winning the Super Bowl, and
he was better in Tampa than Keshan was.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'll give you one two, Priest Holmes another one. Right
at the running back position. I mean that guy dominant,
and I mean dominant in the NFL for about a
three year stretch. If you were there, you know, if
you weren't, I wouldn't say it's hard to explain, but
it's also one of those you kind of had to
be there moments because there are probably plenty of twenty

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five year old football fans who either don't know who
Priest Holmes is or just how insanely good he was.
That dude had fifty seven touchdowns in three seasons. I
mean that three year run that Priest Holmes was on
in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
No pun intended.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, yeah, truly one of the greats that again
gets buried throughout the course of time because well that's
what time does. It marches on and we forget about
things and people and you know, big performances in great stretches,
especially if you weren't the guy that did it for five, eight,
ten years and you know, got the gold jacket. But
Priest Holmes man a dominant, dominant three year stretch for
the Kansas City Chiefs. London Fletcher probably, you know, I

(07:30):
think London Fletcher probably is in that category. Two over
two thousand career tackles. Never missed a game in sixteen seasons.
That's his greatest accomplishment. Think about just how insane it
is to have never missed a game in sixteen season.
So the guys who don't get enough credit for how
good they were back in the day, seven oh four, five,
seven oh ninety six ten, hit me up with the

(07:51):
best you got what you got over there.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
It warns my heart to see Chris Gamble get mentioned
so many times on this Fandel text line. Chris, Oh yeah, yes,
absolutely Like around here he's loved and even Dan I
will say, I'm still irked. Remember when Jeremy Chin did
the little when he was here, he did that little
jersey thing, he'd have a jersey of a North Carolina
legend on m It irked me to no end when
he had the number twenty no offense to Kirk Coleman

(08:14):
and he said he's wrapping Kirk Coleman and everyone beneath
the tweet was like, we like Kurt, but he ain't
Chris Gamble.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's Chris Gamble. That's Chris bleeping Gamble.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Unless you're an Ohio State fan or a Carolina Panther fan,
you don't know the greatness that is Chris Gamble. And
the fact that he never made a Pro Bowl in
the mid two thousands makes me sick.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
All right, so I like this text too, and I
want to pull something up here because a textra a
minute ago just said, who was this? Of course, my
thing locks up on me. Oh hitting the sauce, what
a name, says? I see where you're going. Dante Culpeper
had some dominant seasons and then disappeared. I mean, yeah,
Smoke's doing the celebration, right, Smoke's doing his best Dante

(08:54):
Culpepper impression.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
As not to love boat celebration. That was different.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
But like three time pro bowler Dante Culpepper six four
two sixty, Dante Culpeper.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Built like a brick house mountain of a man.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Dante Culpepper former eleventh overall pick out of ucf uh.
He had the great years in the with the Vikings.
He was in Minnesota for six seasons I believe it
was six six or seven seasons. Was with Randy Moss.
Of course, they made some sweet football music together for
a while.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Before they got blown out in the NFC Championship game
in his first full year, that's right. Then one to
two they flat lined a little bit. O three oh
four it kind of got going, and then five was
the love boat incident. Oh yeah, and do you know
where his career ended as a Viking?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
As a Viking, No, I don't actually right here, did. Oh,
you've talked about that in two thousand and five.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
It was a blowout they won. I believe i've in
thirty five and forty eight to thirteen. Yep, he gets
hurt late in the first quarter when he was trying
to scramble. I think will Woverspoon hit him in the
wrong place. He didn't slide correctly. And that was his
career in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
In Minnesota because then he bounced around for I remember
him leaving and getting to Miami and Dolphins fans talking
themselves into you know, I think he's gotten a lot
left in the tank. Oh, I think he's got a
lot left in the and he didn't have.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
A lot left in the attack.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
And then he went with Oakland for about It was
like Oakland had him, JaMarcus Russell and Aaron Brooks around
the same time.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
A big quarterback room, it's a big quarterbacks a quarterback
room or a tight end room.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
And then I remember I actually got to watch him
play in two thousand and eight. He got signed by
the Lions because they just needed some quarterback to play
during that to sixteen year, and he actually gave the
Lions a chance, a fighting chance against a really good
Carolina team here in two thousand and eight, him and
Calvin Johnson making some sweet money and some sweet plays
on the field in that awful season. So Dante kind

(10:43):
of hung around a while. But like Dante from two
thousand to two thousand and four, pretty damn good when
he was on his a game.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Absolutely, I just got a mood abdul Rove coming in
on the text line, and I don't did you You
didn't get a chance to watch him?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Really, did you? Technically in the Big Three? Yeah? Okay, Yeah, yeah,
I forgot about it. Not like prime early to the
mid nineties.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I forgot about that, okay, because like he was good,
he's not. And I love that answer. I think he
almost fits it perfectly. And if you weren't there, you
probably have no idea who much mood abdul Rauf was.
But like that, dude was good in Denver, he was
good in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
He was He's one of those guys. Again.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
He wasn't a superstar. He wasn't even an All Star,
but he was All Rookie second Team. He won the
Most Improved Player in ninety three with the Denver Nuggets.
He had some good years. He really did. He had
some good years and he was a good player back
in the day. That's perfect seven oh four or five,
seven ninety six, ten, tc. To your point. A second ago,
he said Aaron Brooks with the Saints on the text
line that one was really good seven oh four numbers,

(11:43):
said Plexico Burs pre gun shot. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well, and that it's funny you mention that because I
told Fiddy a couple months ago when we were watching T.
Mac play, I'm like, tedor Wora has a chance to
be a rich man's version of Plexico Burs.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Oh did you.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Say that the first I'm hearing that, like, but like,
that's interesting. I know some people have compared to AJ Green.
I'm not going to AJ Green that far yet, just
because AJ was special in a borderline Hall of Famer.
But T Mac makes me think of a rich man's
Plexico burst. You look at the frame to build almost
exactly the same, and Plexico he was just his own

(12:21):
worst enemy even before the gunshot wound. Remember some of
the stuff he did in Pittsburgh that was just so dumb,
like when he got tackled on the when he thought
and got tackled, fell down and then spiked the ball
in frustration, but the ball was still live and that
Jacksonville Jaguars recovered it for a fumble.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Mm hmm, so stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
I but, man, if he can become flexible without somebody
bald headed mistakes who buddy.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, oh fan guy Dave just an Arian Foster twenty
ten to twenty twelves that again perfect. This is why
I asked the question because the text line right now
is humming with really really good, you know, submissions on
this big Cat dance, and I just tuned in. What
do you what do we tell talking about just having
conversations with the boys last night, you know, talking about

(13:04):
athletes who don't get enough credit for how good they
were back in the day. Players, you remember, players that
force you to have the kind of reaction Smoke and
I are having every time somebody mentions it good when
we're like, oh oh yeah, like him the toolman style grunts,
when you hear a player's name and you're like, oh god,
I haven't thought about him in a while, but man,
that guy was good. Man, that guy could go. So
that's what we're talking about. Because I had one. Smoke's

(13:25):
apparently been thinking about this recently too, And so it's
the guys who don't get enough credit or have been
forgotten about how good they were, either way back in
the day or in some cases not that long ago.
Mayra Goodman said, George Lynch as a college player, Yeah,
I mean we recall George, I think most recently with
the Hornets television experiment, but we talk about all the

(13:46):
time just how good he was at North Carolina and
as a high school player, I mean, George Lynch, I
remember he did he go to the same high school
as Redick. No, he went to a high school down
the road from JJ Reddick, That's right. And then he
ended up not at oak Kill, but there it was
a different high school. George Lynch was a phenom, was

(14:09):
an absolute phenom in high school, and of course ended up,
you know, doing what he did at Carolina. First round pick,
twelfth overall, drafted by the Lakers, ends up playing for
the Lakers, the Grizzlies, the Sixers, clearly the Hornets, both
Charlotte and New Orleans, and didn't exactly have you know,
an illustrious NBA career, let's say, but was an NCAA champion,

(14:31):
first team All acc you know cemented his legacy in
Carolina lore, you know, first and foremost, But George Lynch
was an absolute phenom when he was in high school
in rohd Oak, Virginia.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
I'd also argue that nineteen ninety three team as a
whole doesn't get talked about enough.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
You think, so out of all.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
The National championship teams, North Carolina has at least in
the modern era because I'm not I'm not counting anything. Well,
fifty seven gets a lot of love because they beat Wilt.
But like, think about it, how many of the National
Championship teams you can think of in Carolina history, which
one gets mentioned at least? Probably that one, Yeah, probably
that one, Yeah Lynch, Eric montrost Rip. But I think

(15:11):
a large part of it has to do with the
fact of how they won it.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
It wasn't a team.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Stacked, like George Lynch had a long career in the NBA,
but like it didn't have that one super megastar on
that team, and it gets overshadowed by what happened in
that game with Chris Weber. It just like no one mentions,
oh yeah, that Carolina team was really, really, really good
and they won a Natty at least in twenty seventeen.
Even though that team had no like massive stars, it

(15:36):
was a redemption team, so it made that national title
so much sweeter. I swear ninety three does not get
talked about nearly enough.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
You make a good point there, five or twelve Since
Shawn Alexander, Oh he's getting all the credit these days.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
He is back in the life.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is he's back in the mainstream conversation on what child
number fourteen? I think we learned a couple of weeks ago,
real quick a few more. Steve Atwater came in, I
have a No. Four number with the Broncos said that
dude smashed. Oh, he certainly did. Tony Gwenn just came in.
I don't know how I feel about that one, because
I will always regard Tony Gwinn as one of the
three best hitters I've ever seen in my life. Barry
Bonds is number one, but I think maybe you make

(16:13):
the case that Tony Gwinn is number two, So I'll
I'll take it under consideration. But I maybe it's me,
maybe it's my own perspective, but I will when you
think of the greatest hitters of all time, Tony Gwinn's
at least gonna be the third name out of my
mouth as we're rattling off hitters all time.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
It's like Willie May's Tony Gwenn, Yeah and yeah, no,
all right.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
We'll come back. We'll take a couple of phone calls.
If you're just tuning in, we just we're off on
a tangent, but it's a good one. The guys in
sports that just don't get enough credit for how good
they were back in the day. Hit us with yours
seven oh four, five, seven, ninety six to ten. We'll
take some phone calls. We'll get you an update on
the Panthers injury situation. And don't forget hornets and bucks.
Tonight we'll get to that too. Charles Lee in twenty

(16:54):
six minutes Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z. All right,
we're talking about the athletes of wellys years past, you know,

(17:16):
back in the day. I hate that phrase, but you know,
guys who don't get enough credit for how they how
good they were back in the day. And the text
line is just humming with some really really good submissions,
and we'll get to as many of these as we can.
Jive on cue Hit me with Al Jefferson says he
was dominant with the hornets, but we don't really talk
about him much.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Listen on this show, we will.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Smoke loves to bring up some big al memories from
back in the day, and I think he's great for
this conversation. Teddy Bruski's come in a couple of times.
I'm not sure how folks feel about that, but for
Labradoodle said, Teddy Bruski has to be in the conversation.
Cam Newton's come in a bunch. Joe Dumars, I think
was the first one that Smoke pointed out. It's also
gotten popular on the text line. Derek Fisher's Gotten Some Love,

(17:57):
which I think is a pretty good one. And then
Andrew Jone. There's been like one chipper and then about
a dozen Andrew Jones that came in on the text
line so far. So we'll get to as many of
these as we can. But eight U sabers saying, ted
ginn how do we feel about ted Gin being in
this conversation? Smoke ted Gin? Is he a guy who
doesn't get enough credit for how good he was? Or
do we just marvel at his speed? What do we

(18:18):
think it's very, very confusing.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
It really just depends on which fan base you're talking to, Okay,
because if you're talking to a San Francisco fan base,
especially Miami fan base, they don't want to hear it, right,
But if you're talking to people in New Orleans or Carolina,
or in Columbus, Ohio, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, yeah, he was pretty damn good.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah he had his fault, but he was really fast
and he could catch the ball occasionally.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, bub and Charlotte just says an MVP cannot qualify
for this conversation, which I'm I'm guessing his in response
to Cam Newton's name coming up, and I'm inclined to
agree with that, although I understand why people bring him up.
Jamal Charles was electric according to American Chopper, I love
that one. And then AJ says he just thought of
the perfect answer to the question Frank Gore, which I listen.

(19:03):
I had to look to see if Frank Gore was
still playing before before I even you know, read that
text on the air. But Frank Gore is a really,
really good one. He also said, remember the Priest Mobile,
as I brought up Priest Holmes in the first segment,
there he said, was that decked out Chiefs car with
the spinners. I thought that thing was so cool when
I was a kid. If you weren't around for the
three year run of Priest Holmes in the NFL, you

(19:25):
probably just don't understand how great that guy was. Fifty
seven touchdowns in three seasons. All right, seven oh four, five,
seven ninety six, ten. Let's take a couple of phone
calls here. Future redemption is up. First on a Wednesday.
What's going on, buddy?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
How are you every birthday home man?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Thank you brother.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yes, sir, I'm going to speak about two that I
know about. I'm going old school, not old school, but
Clinton football. And they don't get enough credit, I guess
because they weren't on the winning teams that we've had
in the last you know, decade or so. But I'll
go back to Woody Danceler. Oh yeah, first guy to
ever throw for two thousand and rush for one thousand

(20:03):
in a year. That may not be a lot now,
but at the time that was like a big deal.
I don't know me you have even done that now,
But first to pass for two thousand, rush for a
thousand in the season, and then I'll go. CJ. Spiller
got overshadowed because he was on some average you know
teams or whatever, and there was you know, kind of
followed up Reggie Bush. But that guy still holds the

(20:25):
ACC records for all purpose yards in a season and
a career. All those records are still staying in today,
even though offenses are you know, way above and beyond now.
So that guy did everything. I'll watch him throw a touchdown,
rushing touchdown and catch it touchdown the same game.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's fantastic. Both are good. But I love your Woody
Danceler answer. Thank you, Future Redemption. Appreciate the phone call, buddy.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Didn't wood He Danceller also have that Hail Mary against
South Carolina?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe he did. And he's right
by the way.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
As a junior, threw for nearly twenty five hundred yards
and twenty two touchdowns and five interceptions. He went undrafted
in two thousand, didn't have much of an NFL career,
was on the Cowboys and Falcons roster. Ended up in
NFL Europe for a little while, maybe some Arena League two.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
But you know, at five ten, like.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Here, we are talking about a five to ten quarterback
in Uptown with Bryce Young, who will get to in
a minute. Woody Danceler was a five to ten quarterback,
a little thicker than Bryce, had about twenty pounds on him,
but he was like the consummate college quarterback who wasn't
really built for the NFL. But at Clemson, Woody Danceler
was was quite often musty TV and a lot of
quarter He fittled mold of a lot of quarterbacks that
were really good college quarterbacks but weren't pro quarterbacks in

(21:31):
that era. You look at that era, there was a
lot of quarterbacks that fit that mold absolutely. I'm just
hit me with an interesting one on the text line.
He said, Sean Taylor, a career cut short, obviously would
have been known as an all time great.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I think enough people realize remember him too, because.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Well he was on that couple like legendary Miami team
and so there was never any question about his talent.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
He was special.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
And when he was playing in Washington, they were actually
pretty good because that's when Joe Gibbs came back right
right right, So it's not like he was on teams
in Washington the outright sucked. You know, he was on
actual good Washington teams. He was on that two thousand
and five team that up until last year, was the
last time they had won a playoff game against Tampa. Unfortunately,
he made a mistake in that game. That's that's when
he spin on Michael Pittman Senior. Now she said feels

(22:17):
wrong to uh And the year he unfore tragically passed,
they made a late, late rally run to the playoffs
with Todd Collins' quarterback.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
The guys who were don't get enough credit for how
good they were. Vernon's up next on the phones, Vernon,
what's going on?

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
How you going?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Good? Man?

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Good? Yeah, man, pretty much. I just wanted to say
I got a cumple out Ralph Daniel and I'll say
bo Jack if he's not already.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Okay, Bose now, so go ahead and finish your thought.
I mean to cut you off.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Go ahead, I just take it out.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Okay, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Got Xavier McDaniel. That might be my favorite of the
three that you mentioned right there. Thank you, Vernon. I
appreciate the phone call to Xavier McDaniel. Got that guy
was fun to watch. He was from Columbia too. For
those who don't know down in South Carolina. So he's
he played at Wichita State.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I mean that.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Guy was special in college. He made one All Star team,
all Rookie team in his rookie season. I think he's
a good fit for the you know, really good back
in the day, never going to be looked at his legendary.
A lot of fans today don't even know who Xavier
McDaniel is, but he was really, really good.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Also got to was with the SuperSonics in between their
championship team.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And fourth overall pick. He was a top five pick.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
And before before they had Sean Camp and Gary Payton
really reached their prime. So he was kind of in
one of those no manland eras for that team, and
then he just kind of went across the NBA for
the rest of his career too.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
So I think that's a great one. And RALH.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Sampson may not be the best for around this area,
but nationally you go to some place like Kansas, I
don't think he gets the same mentions that he does
around here.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
A few more of these and we'll take a phone call.
We have let's see eight to eight numbers. Say, I
believe a good call on this one. Is Dan Morgan. Yeah,
Dan's a great I mean, look, injuries cut him short.
But Dan was an unbelievable talent. He just was coming
out of Miami, you know, had his moments with the Panthers,
of course, and I'm just we all know them, but
I'm talking about you know, Dan showed the ability. There
was no question what a good football player he was,

(24:20):
but the injuries got him. A lot of Sean Taylor
coming in now too, D'Angelo Williams, Fran Tarkenton, Sean Green
on the baseball field is fantastic. David from Troutman says
robl Mondesy's cannon. That's a great one. Panther Cliff saying,
Charlie Ward, I like it. Rory's up next on the phones, Rory,
what's going on?

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
I just wanted to come on and see if I
could comment about the topic.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Sure, absolutely, well.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
I think that one of the of course, one of
the most underrated ones was Muggy And then if you
want to go on the football side, we could just
stick with cold you know, Tober, but looking deep down
in there, of course, I want to go with Zoe
and Kobe Bryant m I did.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't know. I think Kobe gets all the credit.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
Though, don't you Kobe get too much credit?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Then?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
He was my favorite athlete as a kid growing up,
so I'm always down to talk about the Mamba. But
I mean, I think he's I think he's a little
too great to be mentioned in the conversation of not
getting enough credit.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
Though yes, yeah, well, I mean that's that's because he
didn't say you long enough.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Then right, Well, thank you, Rory. Appreciate the phone call, Buddy,
White Chocolate. Jason Williams has made the appearance on the
text line a couple of times. Boy, that guy has
revived himself. A whole generation of young Hoopers have learned
more about Jason Williams over the last year since he
became hit the podcast circuit and if you if your
algorithm is anything like mine, about every six swipes is

(25:45):
a new Jason Williams video of sitting down with Pat
bev or the All the Smoke Guys and telling old
NBA stories like that Miller. Jason Williams is one of
the most highly entertaining people in the history of sports.
Dog is up next? Dog, What's going on buddy Man.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
How y'all doing good?

Speaker 8 (26:02):
All right? Hey, I got a couple man. I want
to say, Sirman Thomas for the Buffalo Bills when they
made that run, don't get enough credit because he was
like one of the first running back was catching out
the backfield consistent. Two Mike Allstart was a beast, I

(26:22):
mean beef. And three I was gonna say Jason Williams,
but somebody beat me to it. But y'all be good man, Thank.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
You brother, you're the man. Dog appreciate the phone call. Uh, somebody,
I think I saw it the other day. Somebody had
stitched together highlights of Mike Alstott and Peyton Hillis with
a Creed song in the background, and like, I started
weeping as I was watching it, like just watching oldest
clips of Mike Alstott decleting people in Peyton Hillis running
through dude's faces. Well, since you mentioned with Creed blasting

(26:52):
in the background.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
We got to say every single running back from Arkansas
to mid to late two thousands that is perfect for
this list.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
McFadden Peyton Hillis.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. All right, listen,
we could do this all day. But let me get
you some Panthers news real quick. We got the injury
report out for Carolina Week eleven at Atlanta, and it's
a little bit concerning. First of all, Trevin Wallace will
not play on Sunday in Atlanta, And of all the
things we've heard and all the things that we've felt
coming out of this weekends let down loss to the

(27:23):
Saints on Sunday, not having Trevin Wallace against the Hawks,
Good Lord against the Falcons on Sunday is really concerning
to me. I just think that kid has made really
really noticeable strides. Clearly since the green dot switch and
him calling the defensive plays, He's been so much better.

(27:45):
It hasn't been perfect, but he has been so much
better for them and has been a key cog on
some of their best defensive performances of the season. I
got to be honest, Smoke, of all the things we're
looking at for Sunday's game at Atlanta, not having Trevin
Wallace out there and Claude and Cheryls apparently to start
in his stead, has me really concerned about this game
on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Definitely does, especially when you look at what you're going
against and b John Robinson. B John's one of the
best running backs in the entire NFL right now, and
you know, I just that really makes it scared that
you don't have your starting linebacker in there, and that's
gonna be a big part of the game, is your
linebacker trying to stop a big running back. I think

(28:24):
with the whole thing with the corners and everyone getting
concerned about JC, I think they're going to be fine
in the cornerbacks because even if Drake London has been
on an absolute tear, these are the type of wide
receivers that j. C. Horn and Mike Jack actually can
really play well against on a consistent basis. It kind
of makes me think when they go against Drake London,
it makes me think of when James Bradbury was here,

(28:45):
and then a lot of people will be concerned about, oh,
Mike Evans, he could have a big game, and then
you wouldn't hear much from Mike Evans because James Bradbury
would lock him up. So I kind of feel like
those two will cancel each other out. It's just B John,
who had one of the was one of the bright
spot and at thirty to Ugh and shut out loss
for the Falcons. He had one or two big games

(29:06):
in that game that was with Trevin Wallace in at linebacker.
What's he going to do now without Kerevin Wallas. I
know that all the guys are up front. Derick Brown's
banged up, but it sounds like he's going to be
perfectly fine to play.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, he was limited with a knee, but Dave canalis
as they expect him to play.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
But that makes you concerned when you have a limited
not one hundred percent Derek Brown, and you're going to
have no starting linebacker with Trevin Wallason and as a
spot that you're extremely thin at. So what happens if
Christian Roseboom gets hurt? Right, who's now going to come in?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Now? God forbid? What happens if Cherlist gets hurt?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Remember he got hurt earlier when Trevin Wallace got hurt
in the Buffalo game. Then Cherlis came in and he
got hurt. We saw it last year. They played like
seven different linebackers last year.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
They had to in. Koom is probably going to be
next on that list.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well, you're looking at Bam Martin Scott behind Christian rose
Boom to answer your question, So yes, perilously thin already.
And now Trevin Wallace will not play Sunday in Atlantic
Claude and Cherlists will step up and get the start.
And I like Cheralists. I mean I don't like him
that much no offense, but like I like him as
a player. He's been a good special teams contributor. I
think he's physical, he'll hit you, but you know, can

(30:11):
he do what Trevin Wallace does? Is he ready for that?
Does the green dot go back to Christian rose Boom?
I assume it does in this situation. Saw how overwhelmed
rose Boom was when he played.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Now, now I will say Roseboom technically had the green
dot in that game against Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
That's true, he did so, I mean, listen, he can
do it. But we know the switch has meant good
things for both of these players. So that's concerning Lathan
Ransom had hand surgery, but there's a chance he can
play this week. Just a couple of concerning things, but overall,
you know, it looks like they're gonna have offensively. I
was gonna say what they need didn't help him much
on Sunday, but they're going to be buying large healthy

(30:45):
enough on Sunday offensively that the usual suspects will be
out there and playing in Atlanta against the Falcons seven
oh four five, seven oh ninety six to ten. Hit
us up on the FanDuel text line. Kawhi's laugh on
the text line said, has LaMelo? Oh, come on, all right,
I'm not going to read it like that, but he
wants to know if LaMelo's gonna man up and play tonight. No,
he's not playing tonight, but I again am holding out

(31:06):
hope that he plays Friday night in the NBA Cup
game against Milwaukee. Interestingly, no Jannis tonight either. I'm you know,
he's not playing in this one. So yeah, I don't
know how you read that. But what are you looking
at me like that?

Speaker 9 (31:19):
For?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Why are you glaring at me? What I was just
about to say it?

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Here?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go to smoke on the headlines.
Who is smoke? Where is smoke? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Let's go all right, smoke. What's the latest in the
world of sports? All right?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
According to the main insider for Jannis at Intocompo, Chris Haynes,
who I believe has a relation is a family relationship
with Jannis. His knee is ruled out for tonight's game
against the Hornets for the Milwaukee Bucks. So the Buck's
best player and a lot of people were probably paying
to see tonight is not going to be playing. I'm
gonna keep an eye on that since it's a home

(31:56):
and home here on Friday. Also, do you want to
mention here? And a lot of people would be more
understanding of this. Ryan Kopriner is questionable tonight, but it's
because he just became a dad.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Good for him, Helmun, Yeah, good for him. Like, I
don't blame if he misses tonight's game. I well, no,
of course not. No.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Fitty wouldn't though, Oh yeah, because Fitty would. Fitty would
never miss a game for the birth of his own child.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Oh, Fitty would not miss game sixty six of the
Mets season while they're playing the Florida Marlins and they're
like two games below five hundred.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I gotta watch this game. This is a good pitching matchup. Sorry, honey.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
By the way, they're referring to not the Bucks, but
you know people. The CBS referred to Giannis missing tonight
as a maintenance day, presumably aka, we can beat the
Hornets without you is their attitude in this game.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
It screw you Charlotte fans that wanted to see him.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
All right, well, come back, speaking of horneted coach Charles Lee.
When we return Sports Radio ninety two to seven wfn Z,
you are listenings about Kyle coming up.

Speaker 8 (33:01):
Thursday morning on the mack In Bone Show, we start
focusing on those dirty birds.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
We talked college football with Dave Clawson.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
And City and Granny Paddle the radio at the same time.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
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Speaker 3 (33:31):
Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z, Back and cooking
on a Wednesday. Don't forget we got the Hornets tonight.
In fact, we're talking about it. Actually, don't forget. Roman
Harper's back at five o'clock. A lot of football to
get to and Panthers Falcons, plenty of that coming your way.
But Hornets tonight, they got the Bucks. In fact, they've
got the Bucks back to back tonight and Friday night,
and they're looking for some wins. Good news on LaMelo yesterday,

(33:53):
Konk Nipple's been playing fantastic and our next guest knows
all about it. In fact, he's here to provide some
color and some context all of it. Head coach of yours,
Charlotte Hornets Charles Lee is back with us here on
a Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Coach. What's going on?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Man?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I hear you're fired up today?

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Oh I am?

Speaker 9 (34:08):
I mean I'm coming off of a amazing birthday and
we get another chance to go out here and compete
tonight too, So I'm I'm hyped.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Wait a minute, I just forgot I remember that I
forgot or forgot that I I don't know which one
it is.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
We have the same birthday right yesterday?

Speaker 9 (34:23):
Yes, and it was Veteran's Day.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
So happy belated.

Speaker 9 (34:25):
Birthday to you and happy blated Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
What was what was yesterday? For you? Mine was the
Big four to zero?

Speaker 5 (34:32):
I was forty one.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Okay, so you're a year ahead of me, that's right,
you are, all right? So yeah, I entered the club yesterday.

Speaker 9 (34:39):
Well welcome, my man.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
How does it feel for you any different?

Speaker 5 (34:42):
No?

Speaker 9 (34:42):
Different? I just have to go to bed a lot
earlier realizing Yeah, yeah, and I'm getting a couple more
gray hairs. But that is either age or having three kids.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Is it? Unk? Status?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
People kept telling me yesterday I've officially reached unk status.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Are you are you good with that?

Speaker 9 (34:57):
I'm good with that. In our locker room, as young
as we we are, I'm definitely on status. One of
the guys, you know, I said I was born in
eighty four, and he goes, word, I was born in
o two.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh, you got to be kidding me.

Speaker 9 (35:09):
That hurts.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, that hurts.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Stuff like and then watching the sons of the former
stars that we grew up on, you know, commit and
go to the pros. It's a rough thing to experience.
But we're also blessed. So we are we are, We
are blessed people. We again, happy but lated birthday to you.
Let me ask you about your rookie. Speaking of the
young guns, I was saying yesterday that even kon K
Nipple's biggest supporters probably couldn't lay claim just to have

(35:32):
seen this coming this early. And I know he's you know,
the exciting part is he's got a ways to go here,
But my goodness, he's been fantastic. First player in NBA
history to one hundred and fifty plus points and thirty
plus threes through ten games.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
The numbers are great, Like, what are we watching right now?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (35:49):
I think it's been really exciting to watch all of
our young guys kind of grow and develop in front
of us. It's started, you know, in my opinion, since
day one though, since they've been here. They all have
great basthtaketball backgrounds coming from the schools and the coaches
that they were previous with, and then I think that
all of a sudden during summerly they came in here,
they hit the ground running. They're about all the right things.

(36:12):
Khan being one of those guys that I think, you know,
on our Summer League championship squad sets a tone for
what it means to just try to impact winning on
every possession. And you know, he goes down obviously with
getting his head banged on the floor, gets stitches. In
the next game he's out there with the headband, and
I don't know he had that same workman like mentality
as he's come into training camp in the early part

(36:33):
of the season where he's competing on every possession defensively
and absorbing contact and then offensively. He just he has
such a great skill set where he's well rounded. He's
not just a shooter. He can put the ball down
and make decisions in the paint for himself or his teammates.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
You know, I hate asking you about injuries, right, I
know you ain't talking about him. I know you don't
want to answer the questions, but just so you know,
I don't like asking you about injuries. But you did
get good news yesterday on the Lamello front about practicing
at Greensboro, and that would seem to indicate to us
that you might be getting your star point guard back
here pretty soon. How do you feel about that? And
obviously how how big a deal is that for this

(37:11):
team to you know, start to dig out maybe from
three to seven in their first ten.

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Yeah, you know, I'm excited about the progress that Mellow
is making. I think that it really helps that he
was able to get some G League minutes yesterday or
some live action. I should say. I love what coach
Baker and That's and that squad are doing. And so
it's really good for us to be able to integrate
and be able to you know, compete with each other

(37:36):
and help each other continue to progress. And so I
think he responded well from yesterday's session. He participated in
a little bit of shoot around today, and so I'm
excited about the progress he's making. I think he's trending positively.
I think our performance staff has done a great job
to try to maximize his availability coming up.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
How does that I mean, I know it's probably got
to be exciting for the guys in Great to get
LaMelo down to for a day to play with him
and things like that. But since you mentioned it, Coach Baker,
and like, how does that benefit LaMelo? Why not keep him,
you know, here in Charlotte and the practice facility and
test him out that way? Why send him to Greenborough?
Greensborough for the folks who might not know.

Speaker 9 (38:14):
Yeah, you know, it was great that Greensboro traveled to
Charlotte to use our facilities. And so I think it
just shows you.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
The alignment that we have gotcha, okay, in.

Speaker 9 (38:23):
The between the Swarm and the Hornets, and it just
gives us a chance to have more live bodies, you know,
right now, our Hornets team as we are a little
bit sin right now, and you're coming off of a
day where you just played a game. A lot of
those guys played heavy minutes or they're about to play tonight,
and so they can't go three days in a row
with heavy contact. And so I think that this just
allows us to be able to have some fresher, healthier,

(38:45):
livelier bodies for him to get a little bit more
game game speed action.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
This might be a silly question, but I have been
thinking about it just with that with guys being out,
you know, injuries already. I'm watching you on the sideline,
watching you coach. I don't know what you're thinking all
the time time obviously, but has it changed the injuries
and you know, more guys having to step up into
those roles. Has it changed anything that you're trying to do,
let's say, in the fourth quarter, especially, are you coaching different,

(39:10):
you know, with a different group of guys out there
than maybe you expected early in the season.

Speaker 9 (39:14):
No, I would say that I'm pretty consistent who I
am as a person and I think as a coach,
and so I'm pretty active and energetic and pretty talkative,
which is what I want our team to be too.
I want them to be passionate. I want them to
be communicating at a high level. And so I think
that maybe I elevate how much more I have to
communicate or I have to elevate how much I am

(39:36):
directing or trying to help our team offensively and defensively
adjust and pick up things because I do have more
reps at it, and we are playing a little bit
of a younger group right now and so just trying
to raise their awareness. But I would say we are
always keeping the main thing the main thing, and how
can we just get better every day and how can
we find these moments where we can compete a little

(39:57):
bit harder or we can do something with better technique.
And then offensively, how are we playing with greater pace
and how are we making the right rim reads and
passing earlier before hands and deflections and turnovers are happening.
And so I would say a lot of my coaching
style remains the same, which is to just be there
for the team, to be able to communicate at a

(40:19):
high level and make sure that we're focused on the
right thing.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I want to sad coach Charles Lee with us here
on Wednesday afternoon, two quick things with more available minutes
because of the injuries, Like, who do you think is
benefiting the most from the extra minutes out there?

Speaker 9 (40:32):
I think Liam has benefited and it's been great to
see him play a little bit more, to have a
little bit more game experience, I've seen him step up
to the plate, He's typically in the right spot. He's
a really smart basketball player. He's got a really good
feel for the game. Sometimes he lacks physicality or purpose

(40:53):
with what he's doing, and I've seen that elevate with
more and more reps, and so I'm really happy with
what he's been able to give us. I thought that
it was good for him to be able to play
in the fourth quarter last game. Trey Man obviously has
gotten a start in Miami and got to play some
increase minutes and you see him starting to find his
form and his rhythm a little bit more on both
sides of the floor too. So a ton of guys

(41:14):
are benefiting. And that's the gift and the curse of
the injuries. He's sad to see the guys go down,
but it's a phenomenal opportunity for other people to get
a chance to play.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Absolutely all right, So mil Waukee tonight you get the
bucks for the first time this year. An exciting opportunity
help get us ready for the matchup. What are you
expecting to.

Speaker 10 (41:31):
See Asakompo a lot downhill, a lot with the ball,
and you know, I think there's just got to be
a multiple effort mindset.

Speaker 9 (41:43):
How we're going to try to take away the paint,
take away his ability to get downhill. It has to
be a collective group to do it, and then the
multiple efforts to want to be in a shift to
help and then get out to They have a ton
of really good shooters, but can we take away their airspace,
make them a little bit uncomfortable and then off offensively.
I think they have a bunch of guys that will
be able to attack, but we also have to be

(42:03):
ready for potentially his own as you really find a
rhythm offensively. So looking forward to the challenge tonight, and
I think our guy is going to be up for it.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Not a question.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
More in observation, you mentioned Grant Williams being you de
facto assistant coach a couple of weeks ago. I love
watching that guy jump up off the bench and argue
calls and street clothes. He's just so locked in all
the time. It makes me smile. It's got to make
you happy to.

Speaker 9 (42:25):
Then it saves my pockets too, so I don't have
to go crazy on the officials. And he's able to
pick up some of the slack and he probably speaks
to him a lot better than I do.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, I hear you, all right, coach, good luck tonight.
We appreciate you, all right.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Thank god.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
There you go, Charles Lee, Hornets head coach. Earlier you
might have picked up on that. We we caught up
right after shoot around today and since that conversation not
that long ago. Jannison Tetakunpo has been ruled out of
tonight's game. So just a little while ago that was
not a parent.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Now it is.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Jannison Tetakoopa will not play tonight against the Hornets. Tip
off at seven, pre game at six. Right here on
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