The Kyle Bailey Show H2: More New Faces In The CFP Mix

In hour 2 of the show, Kyle touches on how the last 2 years have opened up more teams to be contenders in college football and the benefits that come from it, and Kyle looks at a largely positive first week of ACC Hoops action.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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(00:31):
the Carolina's Personal Injury Lawyers. One call that's all go
to CV injurylaw dot com. Big thanks to Charles Lee
for hanging out. I did get a couple of texts
andyk KB, why does your mic sound that way again?
Because we had to accommodate, as I'm willing and happy
to do, accommodate coaches schedule, which means sometimes we have
to chat before the show following shoot around, and we
had a busted mic that I was not aware of

(00:53):
until after the fact. So hopefully that was okay. We'll
of course avoid that next week. But Charles and company
trying to get a win tonight. A win tonight at
three and seven. No Johannis, but of course on our
side of things, no LaMelo, no Brandon Miller, so it'll
be up to the likes of Miles Bridges and Conker
Nipple and Colin Sexton and company to try to go
out there and find a way to get a win.

(01:14):
And the main guy you're going against tonight is Miles Turner.
Now so big deal, No I remember, but yeah, yeah,
just a reminder that means for the next two years
at least, we will not hear Miles Turner's rumors. Two
to Charlott horneon, Oh that guarantees nothing. In the case
of Myles Turner, rumors that guarantees nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
So like he's the NBA version of Bill Kauer around here. Yeah,
that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Bucks and Hornets tonight from uptown, then Bucks and Hornets
on Friday in the NBA Cup in Milwaukee at the
Five Serve Forum, And that seems like a decent chance
for them to get LaMelo ball back for that one.
So we'll see what happens tonight pregame at six Brian
Geisinger will stop by. We'll talk with him about what
he's seen through ten games of the Hornets, and we
have to, of course, you know, talk about these rookies

(01:58):
who I know we'll talk about here in justin it
because of some Zach Low comments that we'll get into.
But real quick the Seth Tremble story. How about the
Seth Tremble unc story? Carolina won last night in a
game that no one should ever have to watch. Thirty
three fouls called on the Radford Highlanders last night. I mean,
what an unplayed again, Caro, a lot of fans you

(02:20):
got to win, So I'm sure you'll slightly disagree, and
I would totally understand. But that was just a not
a super fun game to watch, very herky, jerky, very.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Go what you got? I paid to watch, people paid
to watch Caleb Wilson not play, not the referees. Well,
thirty three fouls called?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, So anyway, we find out earlier today that Seth
Tremble who we found out about, I guess on Monday.
Maybe Sunday actually was going to miss some time after
with a broken bone in his forearm. Apparently it happened
in a freak accident in the weight room where a
weight rack fell on top of him and it took

(03:00):
four either teammates, slash staff or four individuals according to
Wral to pull it off of him. That's first of all, brutal,
so it's a horrible way to get hurt. But a
lat pull machine reportedly fell on him, with multiple teammates
needing to remove the machine off of him after it
crashed on top of him. He underwent surgery Monday, and

(03:23):
the expectation is he can return next month. But apparently
the machine wasn't bolted down. And I don't want to
make assumptions because I don't know what their weight room
looks like, but you know, I just assume that most
things are bolted down. Apparently this one was not, and
it just fell on him. And imagine how scary, by
the way that could have been if he was in
there by himself.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean, that could have been life or death.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like well, I mean that's mostly Yeah, I don't know
how he got penned underneath it, you know, how exactly
it fell, But yeah, that's to think about what would
have happened if other people had not been in there
to get him out from under it. And of course
I heard WESN. Walker talk about this earlier today. Understandably,
a lot of people's minds went next to wait a minute,

(04:05):
does he sue North Carolina for that?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Like?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
How does that if they didn't properly you know, fasten
or bolt down weight room equipment and it fell on him,
Like apparently he was hanging on to it trying to stretch,
which is a normal thing to do, unless we found
out that seth Tremble was, you know, trying to use
it as a piece of playground equipment and crawling all
over it and using it inappropriately. If all he was
doing was hanging on it to try to get a

(04:29):
good stretch or something before he really started his workout
and it fell over on top of him, Like, I'm
not saying he definitely should go sue. I'd consult Chandler
Volta if I were him, But like, I don't know,
does he sue the university? Do they do they make
it right ahead of time so it doesn't get to
that point.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I don't know. I think they'll make it right. Probably
gets to that point just because he not only has
he a basketball player, owned the team and it happened
on their own public property, but or private property, but
he's also been there for a while. Yeah, this is
his last year in Carolina. He's been one of in
an era where some many guys have left. He has
been there the whole time. I think they'll take care

(05:07):
of him.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, Bebop says he thinks there's more going on. He
called it some monkey business going on. God, how old
are you? There was some monkey business going on back there.
That's like a nineteen fifty cinc But I like it.
He maybe I don't know, Like I've been a young
guy in the weight room with my buddies, you know,
all going around on dumb people have done plenty of
dumb things in the weight room. I'm not going to
assume that that's what he did. But uh, I just wondered,

(05:31):
like a lot of people, you know, did he really
just hang on it to get a stretch and it
came tumbling over and it fell on top of him
and broke his arm. And that's just the end of it.
Because if so, I mean, that's you're right. I mean,
he's one of theirs. And maybe you find a way
to amicably figure that out.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
But you know, well, plus certain plus there is probably
a smoking gun, because I bet there is a security
footage probably so yeah, probably so all right, seven oh four.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
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Speaker 3 (06:01):
What did you say? You what? What did you say?
Hold up? Wait a minute, send me right.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
What I mean by.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
That is that's some monkey business going on. You see,
I brought back the old Greg co Sell anyway, what
you got?

Speaker 3 (06:19):
All right, Well, I don't think it was Greg's Sell's
the former Charlie Castley.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
That's the one you're figuring out. I'm sorry it was
Charlie Castlely. I apologize it was.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Very timely because he was talking about Kyler Murray. Anyway,
turns out that he was right. See Call of Duty's
coming out. See all right, well, let's talk about Bryce Young,
our own smaller, diminutive quarterback that's currently having some struggles.
If you remember, during the game on Sunday which Bryce
Young played like crap, Mark Slair basically etched out the
game plan that the New Orleans Saints had against Bryce Young,

(06:50):
and he went into further detail about Bryce Young's struggles
and a Saints game plan on his own podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You're basically adding defenders into the box, adding defenders at
the point of attack in the running game. And I
thought they dial that up on a consistent basis. They
did at time and time and time again. And so
when you're doing that, what are you saying to a
defense what are you saying to the to the offense,
what's your defense indicating how your coach feels about this offense?

(07:21):
And what that was is, we're going to give you
one on one opportunities outside the numbers, and we don't
think your quarterback can handle it. We don't think your
quarterback is good enough to beat us. The New Orleans
Saints at one on eight came in on the road
to the Carolina Panthers and said, the only way you
can beat us is Rego Daddle being big time performer,

(07:42):
and we're going to take him out of this game.
Your quarterback does not have what it takes to beat us.
At one on eight, that's exactly what they said, exactly
what they said, and you know what, they were one
hundred correct. That passing game was pathetic.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
A lot of that was true. A lot of that
was absolutely true. Now it does beg the question like,
if it's that simple, why haven't other teams done it?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Is it what they did? But also Bryce had a
bad day? Did those wide receivers have many have?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Claimed on the text line. Since Monday and I've gone
back and watched it, you can certainly find instances of
pass catchers not getting separation, not getting open.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
That's true too.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I also have to point out that, you know, Mark
Slera has kind of, you know, he's been all over
the map on Bryce now that he's probably also tired
of calling Panthers games.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
That was like his four for fifth one this year
at least, and.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
We've had him on the call several times, right, So
I don't know, maybe there's a little bit of everything
going on here, but I remember last year at about
this time.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think it was after.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
The Atlanta game, the first one, if not right before it,
Mark had done.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I listened to it.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Mark did a radio interview down in Atlanta where the
host asked him, you know what Carolina should do about
Bryce Young moving forward? I think it was actually after
the benching, if I'm not mistaken, and he was like,
what's their next road game? Can they just leave him there?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Right? Remember we played that audio? Yep.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
But there've also been instances on these broadcasts where he
has just been effusive in his praise of Bryce. It
might have been the was it the Arizona game that
they did where you know, Schlaret was really making the
point repeatedly that he wasn't sure that the Panthers had
enough offensive weapons to make this passing game.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Work this year. No, he didn't do it this year.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Oh no, he it was this year. It's been in
a broadcast this year. I think it was the Arizona game. No,
because as CBS. Maybe it was the next game where
I was out in the yard Atlanta. Was it Atlanta? Yeah,
he did Atlanta. It was in a loss to Watsonville
where Mark was making the case that he didn't think
the Panthers had really put a bunch of great pass catchers.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
On the field.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Was it Jacksonville because he did that. I think it
might have been Jacksonville, maybe maybe Miami. But my point
here is that's he's kind of been all over the map,
and I don't want to say he's been whichever way
the wind is blowing, because that might not be fully
fair to Mark Slareth. But he's offered a lot of
different perspectives on Bryce in this year alone. So I mean,
I would this has to be the most motivated Bryce Young.

(10:19):
I would think that we've seen to this point, maybe
you would hope.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You would hope so because.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Last year after the benching, he came back with a
fury and that was great. It's got to be every
bit of that and then some because I think he's
keenly aware he has to be of the way people
are talking about him after that dreadful Saints performance, because
everybody's now back to saying the same things this week.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I don't know if this guy's got what it takes.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And that right there from Mark is a prime example.
And you, of course you believe Atlanta's going to try
to deploy the exact same defensive game plan against Bryce
on Sunday. I can't imagine them doing anything other than
what Mark just described the Saints doing this past week.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
And they had a lot of exotic blitzes earlier this
year when they took in Minnesota. Carolina was able to
withstand that. What has Jeff Oulbrick, who's done a great
job over Atlanta dude this time around?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, trailer park Thomas saying maybe we can get Kyler
Murray have two miniature quarterbacks? Can you stack them on
top of each other? And no, I can't do that.
All right, that's a Mike Leach idea for what else.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Let's move over to the other team in Charlotte, the
Hornets who unfortunately have gotten off to a three and
seven start through ten games, and injuries are a problem
yet again. But on Zach Lowe's podcast, as he's now
with The Ringer instead of ESPN, he actually said, there's
something building here in Charlotte, and it's actually something that
looks pretty good.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
There's a lot of evidence that Charles Lee and his
staff are building an infrastructure that's going to be interesting
when the talent catches up with the infrastructure like that
is one of them number one defensive rebounding, they don't foul,
they get to the line a lot on offense, their
shot selection is pretty like optimal on offense, not so
much on defense. And with LaMelo Ball on the floor,

(11:59):
they would have the number one offense in the NBA
equivalent on the team level. Now that's a little misleading
because A that's selecting your best lineups. And B stop
me if you heard this before. LaMelo Ball is already
missing games with an injury. Brandon Miller has missed almost
the entire season with an injury. I'm getting tired of this, Fred,
I just want to see these guys play. It's not
their fault. I don't think it's their fault, certainly not

(12:20):
Brandon Miller's fault. With the flukey injuries, the shoulder injury
this year, I'm getting tired of it. Want to see
the team.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
That the way he framed that is really interesting. Like
when the talent catches up with the infrastructure and look
at these key stats. You know, good defensively, they shoot
a lot of free throws, They're not fouling a lot
of people, right Those are signs that overall this thing
is moving in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And I think we have to be careful.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
And I can be guilty of this too, because I'm
in the weeds with this eighty two games a year
of getting really carried away right away with oh, here
we go again. Guys are getting hurt. We're gearing up
for another miserable season. I don't know how many games
they'll win, or how many games Lamello and Brandon will play,
of course, none of us do. Hopefully Mello's back this Friday,

(13:09):
maybe Brandon's backed by Thanksgiving. Obviously, if they keep dropping games,
the circumstances and the conditions are going to change, certainly
around Christmas leading into the trade deadline.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
What do they do?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
But this young group of guys like we talk about
con and he's been fun. Kak Brenner has been good.
Seeon James has been a breath of fresh air. I
don't know, man like smoking. I know that you have
been critical of Zach in the past, and I know
it's rooted in the fact that you think that you
know a lot of these national guys just don't watch
the Hornets, but yet they they're more than happy to
fire off takes about the Hornets.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
D And I actually think Zach's really good. It's just
as you said, it just feels like the lazy, recycled taking,
but there he is.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, he's got some evidence, you know, in a
positive argument to say they are in fact building something.
And it's like I told you yesterday, coming off the
Lakers loss, I feel pretty vindicated and wanting Jj Reddick
to be this team's head coach as we discussed that,
I guess what was that almost two years ago? At
this point year and a half ago. But there's also
evidence that Charles Lee's doing a good job, and it's

(14:06):
just a matter of keeping guys healthy and continuing to
stack talent. I do think we've watched a couple of
front offices in the Panthers and Hornets new guys Dan Morgan,
Jeff Peterson, you know, spearheading and effort to get real
tangible results in the way of adding talent to this
roster via the draft. So there are some things to

(14:26):
be hopeful about. CON's obviously headlining that right now. But
it's an interesting argument.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
I like that. What else you got?

Speaker 4 (14:31):
All right?

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Moving over to Chapel Hill where the tar Hills have
won two straight games one more and it's a one
in streak. But the Giants fired Brian Dayball on Monday,
and of course, during his latest press conference with the
Chapel Hill media, Bill Belichick was asked, you want to
go back to New York where it all really started,

(14:53):
and then when you got here, you said you're not
coming here at Peat.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
But as soon as the Giants came up to yesterday
your name you got thrown out there.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I'm sure sure with other NFL jobs, what is what
is your message.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
To players to recruits?

Speaker 4 (15:05):
I'm sure people are asking me about that.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Who want to come in or not getting ready for
Wait Forest, That's all I got this week.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Has anyone asked you the players or recruits want?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
I know, my in the future. Iman.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
I've been asked about it from time to time, but yeah,
I've been done this real before. I'm focused on wait
for us. That's it, and that's my commitment of this team.
And next week it'll be to our next opponent and
so forth. But you know, I'm here to do the
best I can for this team, all right.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
So a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Draft Kings just released their odds for the next head
coach of the Giants about an hour ago. He's not
number one of the list, but he is number two
and not not not by not by a wide margin either.
Right now, Mike McCarthy is the betting favorite to be
the next Giants head coach, And if I were the
Giants given the options, I'd feel okay about that about Mike.

(16:04):
I think Mike McCarthy did a good job in Dallas,
But then Belichick's right behind him. So McCarthy's plus seven hundred,
Belichick's right behind him at plus seven fifty. I also
noticed that Gary Myers, who is the longtime sports columnist
up there, also used to work for the Dallas Morning News.
He was with the New York Daily News. He's done

(16:24):
hbos to Gary Myers. We've had him on the show.
I think in the last couple of years. Gary went
on one of the Larger Giants podcast a couple of
days ago and said he thinks Belichick would take the
Giants head coaching job quote unquote in a second, saying,
quote he loves the Giants.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I mean he loves the Giants end quote.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So Gary Myers, who's been up there for a while,
did he also write a Belichick book?

Speaker 3 (16:46):
What shocked or Dan or parcels.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think I'd have to go back and look at that.
But yeah, Gary Myers said he thinks Belichick would take
the Giants job in a second. I don't think that
would be well received by Giants fans, do you don't.
I can't imagine Giants fans jumping for joy at the
news that they've hired seventy three year old Bill Beliche.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
This was five years ago, yes, but no, not now?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay, Now, we also we know that Joe Shane's making
the higher So I think you could point out, just
for the sake of the conversation, that you know, Bill
would not be given any you know, full control multiple hats.
He doesn't get personnel control either. You just coached the
football team. Does that change anything in your mind about
how that might work out?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I just don't think it'd work out. Plus, a lot
of Giants fans are mad because it looks like, based
on the stuff that they sent out on their draft
video coverage, that Joe Shane didn't want to take Jackson
Dart it was a Brian day Ball pick. Oh and
a lot of people. Look, there's a lot of Giants
fans around here. I don't need to tell them, but
a lot of Giants fans love Jackson Dart right now.

(17:46):
Oh yeah, He's actually exceeded my expectations too. So it's
just one of those things where like, did you sure
you fired the right guy? Or are you sure you
should should have just clear cleaned house at this point
instead of just letting go of day Ball.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it happens. But the fact
that he's second by a slim margin on the betting
odds right now to beat the Giants head coach is interesting. Now,
if they offered him, I think Bill takes it in
a heartbeat. You do, Yeah, yeah, I would tend to agree.
If the Giants offered him, I think he takes it
That's where the Gary Meyers thing comes in, where he's saying,
essentially what you are if they offer him the job,

(18:19):
Gary said he will take it.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I doubt Bill's told Gary that, but Gary's been around
a long time. So that's what did you say? The
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(19:23):
thoughts on the college football news as well. Really really
enjoyed the conversation that Mack and Bone had with Tom Lougan.
Bill this morning on the Mack and Bone Radio Extravaganza,
Louganville was making the case about one possession games, one
score games in college football, and you know just how
spread out the talent is in college football right now.

(19:43):
And I was thinking about that because when all of
this went down a couple of years ago, and that
of course was you know, the NCAA getting his ass
kicked in front of the Supreme Court and Mark Emmerton
company taking their ball and going home and shutting out
the lights and saying, screw it, play by your own rule.
You don't need us. Do whatever the heck you want
to do. And all of a sudden, it goes from

(20:04):
well everybody can be paid nil and things like that
to oh, we're just straight up doing inducement deals. We're
straight up just pay for play now, and you know,
so many things that were going on that was a
shock to the system. And when it happened and it
became clear that players were going to get paid, that
they could get paid for their name, image and likeness
and maybe even beyond now, there were a lot of
folks screaming, Oh, the rich are just going to get richer.

(20:26):
Oh the rich are just going to get rich smoke.
I don't think that's what's happened here. I don't if
you look, there are obviously some of the usual suspects
year in year out, very much in it, you know,
competing for the playoff at this point. But I mean
you look at some of the teams that have been
in the top ten, the top fifteen. Indiana is not
supposed to be where they are, obviously, the fact that
Texas Tech is the number six team in the country

(20:48):
BYU they fell to twelfth this week after losing to
Texas Tech, but BYU has been in the mix obviously years,
last years. Yeah, you know, Vanderbilt, we've talked about them
a lot. You know Tech, the job that Brent Key
has done there. Tough weekend for the ACC. I get that.
But you know, Cincinnati's in the top twenty five. They're
no stranger to it. But South Florida is there. I

(21:09):
don't know that the rich have gotten richer here. I
don't think that turned out to be the case. What
do you think about that thesis?

Speaker 5 (21:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Do I think maybe some of the teams that usually
win will still win. Yes, Yeah, like last year we
saw this by all the chaos Ohio State still won
a national title. So at the at the end of
the day, do I think maybe some of the usual
suspects still win them? Sure, yeah, but I also think
it's going to be a lot harder for some of
the usual suspects to win them. And we have a
lot of new faces in the mix that would never

(21:37):
be in the mix to begin with because you've expanded
the playoffs, like we're talking about Georgia host in South
Florida in a playoff game, and outside of two thousand
and seven, South Florida has not been a championship contender
like they've come. They've had good years, don't get me wrong, sure,
but they've never really been a national title contender outside
of that one fleeting moment in two thousand and seven

(21:58):
when they were a believing Conference USA Like I yeah,
Notre Dame's still in it. But Texas Tech has become
a juggernaut, a juggernut when it comes to spending money.
They got so much money to throw around. They're essentially
what we thought Miami was going to be all across
the board when nil first became a thing. Sure, they
have been the ones that have perfected it more than
anyone else in the whole entire industry because they're both

(22:19):
contending in college basketball and college football. College basketball, they
made the Elite eight, I know a couple of years
ago when they had Chris Beard before INIL they made
the national title game and we're just close to beating Virginia.
But like fifteen twenty years ago, it was there's a
reason why we talk about the Mike Leach Aaron specifically
that went against Texas as the magnum opus of that

(22:41):
whole entire school's history, because that should have never happened. Now,
with some of the stuff they did done and the money,
it's become the norm for the Red Raiders to be
in playoff contention that was unthinkable even fifteen years ago
when Mike Leach was there.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Again, the question is, and I want to know what
people think about this. The prediction then was the rich
are just gonna get richer. We're going to see a
concentration of wealth and resources and the best players at
the teams and programs that are already the best in
the sport. And as you just said, and I said,
you know a lot of the Ohio states haven't gone away, right,

(23:17):
Oregon hasn't gone away, but new contenders have kind of
stepped up and have become playoff contenders, and you're not
seeing these these teams. And Kirby Smart talked about this,
who do they lose to? It might have been the
Bama game actually where he gave that kind of speech
to the media after the loss.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Wa yeh, because I got on them again about losing.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
About losing to Bamba, which is what he does, unfortunately
for him. But like he made the point, we just
got to we got to pick ourselves up and move.
It's a different era now. One loss doesn't cripple you.
You're gonna see more of this. There's talents spread off,
a spread around the country because you these players are
not going to sit and wait when they can take
money to go play elsewhere, so long as it's a
reasonably competitive program that's offering the money to go play there.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Now, I will say, I think in the same Southeast
and all across to the rest of the country, it's
kind of been like that into Big ten. I do
think it's kind of been status quo. We're the rich
have gotten richer because Ohio State they just throw all
this money into football, so they're gonna be just fine.
They don't really play anyone outside of their one mandated
non con game to make it look like they play
a lot of tough opponents, and then boom, they're right

(24:18):
back into playing akrons of the world. And the Big
ten's very flat right now. Outside of i'd say the
top three four schools, it drops off, you drop off
a cliff. Like Minnesota is doing pretty good this year.
It's a usual year for PJ. Fleck. Whe they're gonna
get seven to eight wins. What do they do against
Ohio State? They had a field goal, they're up three nothing,
and then they gave up forty two unanswered points. So

(24:40):
I think the death in the Big Ten, it's extremely
top heavy, So I think in that case the rich
have gotten richer for the most part. But then again,
I can also point out it's year two of Kurt
Signetti at Indiana, and Indiana is already true national title contenders,
so you can get out of the mess relatively quickly
still even into Big Ten. Yes, no, agree with that.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Now, anytime we've brought up Indiana, and we brought them up,
you know, during the height of the Bill Belichick media frenzy,
and why they've been so slow to be even competitive.
And you know, I would bring up Indiana, and on
occasion somebody would respond and say, yeah, but Signetty brought
some players with him. It's not the same thing. And
it's like, yeah, that's true initially, but you know, look
at what he's doing now, having lost significant pieces off
a team that made a run last year. So, no,

(25:21):
Indiana's got more money than I think some people realized.
And Ac is on the text line saying it's still
the rich, but not rich in tradition, but rich in
nil money aka pay for play. But there are more
teams in on that.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
You got universities finding money that they can now spend
apparently like my own, you know, to say, well, you
know what, actually we got a little sluss fund over here,
we could play too. All right, we're gonna throw money
at things too. So it has reshaped the college football
landscape and I think a fairly really significant way. And
because these players, the talent is more spread out, and

(25:54):
Logan Bill was making that argument to Mack and Boone
this morning. It's led to a lot of upsets, a
lot of one score game and a lot of interesting
outcomes that you know, we're just not accustomed to sing
in college football.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And I'll say it too, Like a prime example is Georgia.
Georgia's you viewed as one of the top five programs,
and rightfully so. How many times over the last two
to three years have they probably won a game they
shouldn't have. I look at that Florida game they escaped.
I honestly think that Florida should have won that game
with the way they're playing with Billy Gonzalez in his
first game as interim head coach. Sure they escaped that one.
There was a game against Missouri like two years ago

(26:26):
they should have lost. Stuff like that, Like all these
teams that were still talking about they they're gettable. Yeah,
Alabama's gettable, Yeah they are. I mean South Carolina had
him on the ropes now today.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
South Carolina's another example. I mean, they were knocking on
the door of the playoff last year. So again, the
landscape has changed, and I just don't know that the
prediction of oh, the rich are just going to get richer. AKA,
the same old programs all the time are going to
dominate now even more so. They're there, but they also
pump their own resources into being good at football, and
I have no problem with that being rewarded, you know

(26:57):
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, And I think in that sense, this whole entire
conversation we're having, this is where college football has turned
more into the NFL, because even in the NFL, you
still have the same two or three teams winning titles,
but you have more and more contender swapping places you're
and in you're out. This year is a prime example.
Last year the Commanders went from zero to hero and
now they're back to being a zero. We're going to
see a lot more of that, I think in college

(27:19):
football moving forward, because of the nature of we got
to find these players, does this player work out primate?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
South Carolina is a prime example of that. Well, we
found these players, but now they're leaving for the draft,
or they're graduating, or they're transferring. We've got to replace
these players. Crap, we didn't really do a good job
of it this year. Now we're gonna have to make
some changes to the coaching staff. In that sense, that's
where college football is turning more and more to the NFL.
But it's not a whole encompassing switching into the NFL
as a whole.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, and Nick Saban made this point to Mute Chickens,
saying the SEC does not beat the cash cows. I
think I think he means what I believe he means
by that. Nick made the same point not that long ago.
Ac says Texas, tech A and m Indiana. I'm saying
the rich has change from traditional rich to rich and funding.
Get me throw smu in on that too. So anyway,
good discussion, your thoughts seven oh four five seven ninety

(28:07):
six ten. I do want to get back to the
Panthers because earlier today Dave Canalis and Bryce Young met
with the media and we've been discussing this since Monday,
and that's the fact that IKYAKUANU J. T. Sanders and
rookie Nick s Gorton basically called out the fact that
Carolina did not have a great week of practice last
week and were not maybe as prepared and locked in

(28:27):
as they should have been. Dave Canalis was asked about
Nick s Gorton in particular today, and Dave Canalis said, quote,
we really want the guys to earn respect. The way
you earn respect is how you play, how you prepare.
I believe Nick has done that. He also said that
he would like for them to keep this stuff in house,
you know, he would like for them to you know,

(28:49):
kind of you know, keep things in house as it
relates to these sorts of things. And as I brought
this up in the previous segment, I had a texter
write in to say it was Panthers two four seven
who said, correct me if I'm wrong KB. But when
I listened to Al Wallace yesterday, he was more upset
that there were players who overlooked the Saints, not that
Skorton made those comments. He was, to me upset clearly
by both. Here's Al Wallace yesterday for a twenty.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
One year old to say that again. I'll say it.
I said it at the beginning. Where's the leadership? Where
are the guys that would even if he said it
right now, it should be some smoke coming from that
building because somebody should have snatched them up. And you're
talking out of place, you're talking out a term. Maybe
he doesn't know any better, but he would damn figure
it out real quick. But it just tells you what's
going on. And it's a young team. For me, that

(29:33):
means it's an immature team and the lack of the
leadership the lack thereof is just not there. That should
never happen. Guys should never go into a week kids
a division opponent thinking it was just gonna be just
written because you won. What foreigner row? That just burns
me up man.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
And he reiterated multiple times yesterday using the phrase pissed off.
Al said he was pissed off multiple times yesterday about
how the Panthers entered and approached the game against the
Saints on Sunday. So I think you heard it right there.
He's not happy about the lack of leadership. He's also
not happy about the fact that it was a real
and I knew that would be the case. Okay, It's

(30:11):
just that's the expectation in these locker rooms that all right,
young buck, you just got here. You're not speaking on
behalf of all of us. We've already had a veteran
say this. We don't need you talking about our preparation.
You've only been here for ten games. Even if he
is leading by example out there on the field.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, and I look at how some of the other
guys say, I think he had a problem, Dave Canalist
that is, and Al for multiple people making it public
like yeah, we didn't really do the best job we did,
and you look at what Derek Brown did. Derek Brown
was clearly pissed on Sunday, but he did not throw
anyone under the bus. He did not say they practice poorly.
He said, but it's going to you know, all this

(30:46):
stuff is going to be addressed. Derek Brown was being
the leader. I think Al Wallace wanted them to be
by saying, Hey, we didn't have a good week of practice,
but I'm not saying that to the public. We're keeping
it in house and then we're going to chew you
out and have it come to Jesus meeting behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I mean, I just think Nick was asked a question
and he answered honestly. But like I told you, my
initial thought was I don't think the Vets are going
to like that, even if what he said was one
hundred percent true.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh there's a saying when keeping it real goes wrong,
Now you could put it that way.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I also asked Al yesterday if he thinks the locker
room is looking at Bryce Young differently this week.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I think he's such a good guy and we all
fall victim that we root for him. So I think
the guys in the locker room are rooting for Bryce Young.
But the only thing that matters. I say this all
the time is can you help us win? And if
you can't, you gotta move out of the way. Look,
I played with Rodney, Pete and Philly, and I knew
the kids, and I knew you know, the wife and

(31:38):
all of that. When it was time for us to win,
can you help us win? No, move out of the way.
Let take the long, take the job. Hey, Troupa Huppert
just went through it. Love Tuba earned his stripes, he
earned his contract. Can you help us win? No, move
out of the way right now and let the next
guy up help us win. And I don't know that
they have that guy on the roster. That's not what
I'm saying, but certainly you pull for a guy, you

(31:59):
root for that guy, not personal. This window and the
opportunity to win football games in the NFL is so slim.
You just need the next man up that's gonna be
able to help you win. And I think the guys,
whether they'll tell you or not, man, they watched that film.
They watched the way Bryce played, and you can't feel
good about it. You can't feel good about this guy,
say a year from now, picking where you need to be,

(32:21):
and I think this team needs to be a playoff
contender year three for Dave Canalos.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And listen, he said it right there, you know, get
out of the way if you can't help the problem is,
and he acknowledged as much as he was speaking, Well,
there's probably nobody to move on to on the roster
right now. I'm assuming Andy Dalton's thumb is still hurt
and he's still Andy, you know, at an advanced age
for the NFL. They did sign Mike White back to
the practice squad yesterday, so I saw your reaction over there. Yeah,

(32:47):
I mean, he's not the answer, so there is no
different answer on the roster currently. But I was a
bit surprised yesterday to hear Al say he does think
Carolina could potentially look to the draft if they decide
to move on.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, I think they could go elsewhere. There's no doubt
in my mind that, you know, general manager and head
coach that are tied together, that clock is ticking. And
as much as you hate to have that pressure, of course,
Dan was my teammate. I think Dave Canalis has a
good plan and whether that's he's been able to put
that together the way he wants to or not. Just

(33:20):
look at this league. These teams just don't wait for quarterbacks,
especially young quarterbacks that were still trying to figure it out.
And we loved those last seven eight games we saw
last year from Bryce Young. The first couple of games
this season did not look great, and then this team
start winning. Now ask yourself, did they win because of Bryce?

(33:40):
Yet we saw him close out games and he does
that and I think he's calm, he executes, he gets
the ball where it needs to be. Or is it
a result of the running game and a stout defense
over the last month. It is not out of the realm.
And I hate to say that, all right.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So, I mean the draft thing was surprising to me.
I would I would personally be surprised if that's where
they go.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Smoke.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I looked at a mock draft. I looked at a
mock draft today which site CBS Panthers would be currently
picking sixteenth. So like, we got a ways to go
here that that's gonna change in some way, shape or form.
Probably higher, right, we're thinking probably a little bit higher
than sixteenth.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Maybe maybe thirteenth, okay, teenth, Yeah, I think they're going
to be in the teens no matter what. Like who,
you know what I mean? At that's who at that spot.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
You look at these mock drafts, I mean, of course
you got you expect quarterbacks to go high. But this
one had like Fernando Mendoza going to New Orleans with
the second overall pick, Dante More going to Cleveland with
the fourth overall pick, ty Sam Ty Sampson going fifth
to the Jets. So like you you get down past
that who not in the first round. May maybe a
Day two or Day three guy, but not in the

(34:47):
first round. I wouldn't think.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
At that point. I think the best case scenario would
be to go Mayava in day two or three rings.
But I don't even know if he's coming out. That's
another thing. We don't even know if some of these
guys are coming out that technically could come out. Oh yeah,
So you gottat to sit through all that stuff and
wait that part out, especially now that you have quarterbacks
to get paid multimillion dollars to stay for one year. Gosh.

(35:11):
Complainer in chief actually had a good suggestion yesterday. Taylor
Green as a Day three guy, but you're not expecting
that guy to start. Yeah, No, he's a project. He's
a project. Now, do I think he's a good project?
I think so essentially, And he's he's not the problem
in Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It was interesting to me too that there was no
mention of Leonora's sellers in this mock draft. But it
seems there seems to be a belief that he's going
back to college next year, maybe not at South Carolina,
but that he's going back to the college.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Game next year. And even if he does come out
and you take him, are you confident he's going to
start day one? No? Project? Yeah? Project? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I mean his physical tools, the tangibles are tantalizing, There's
no question about that. But it sounds more likes he's
likely to be back in college football next year. Rust
Belt just said Haines King day three or undrafted. I
mean as a Taysom Hill guy. Yeah, not as a
starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I don't think his arm strength has never been great.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, if Haines King ever becomes a starting quarterback in
the NFL, I'll be shocked.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I'll be shocked. All right, let's just be a spot start.
Let's go to smoke on the headlines. Plus he probably
already has the body of a thirty five year old
with the hits he's taken. I mean, come on, all right, anyway,
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Brett McMurphy and Chris Lowe, all signs are reporting to
Jeff Brown getting a contractor Contenson at Louisville. Yeah, I

(36:50):
mean that makes sense. So Penn State has been getting
a lot of coaches paid already before the season.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
End up with bro who ends up at Penn State.
I don't know who are they gonna hire. I have
no somebody, but like right now, does anybody have a
great feel for what they're doing?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I swear I don't think it will happen, But imagine
you you complained about James Franklin so much and then
you end up with Brian Kelly. Yeah, that'd be hilarious.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
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Speaker 3 (38:11):
Smoke would you bring for the people? Well, I gotta
go with the US penny because after two hundred and
thirty two years, its watch has ended, as us mint
has produced its last ever penny today. Really yeah, Can
I tell you what I did the other day?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
What I was walking through my house and my wife
chastises me for bringing any coin into the house because
I have three toddlers.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's a choking hazard. Right, oh yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
So somehow, some way a penny made it into my
house the other day and I see it laying on
the floor of like the surance into my home and
my daughter is watching me pick this up, and she
doesn't really say anything because I don't think she knows
what it is. And my first instinct was to throw
the penny in the trash because I didn't know what
else to do with it. I still feel guilty to
this day because I don't do it often, but like

(39:03):
the idea of throwing any money away just feels wrong.
But I'm like, take I got, I got a penny,
and I got toddlers, and like, the only safe place
for this to go is in the trash, And now
I feel like I should have saved it because we're
not We're not making pennies anymore.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I'm not saying it's the last one I'll ever see,
but you know what I mean. Yeah, well you just
put it in your glove compartment. Like what do y'all
do with pennies when you find them? Glove compartment? Some people?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, glove a glove compartment or like the ash tray
when you don't smoke, is where you keep your change,
your loose change?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Why how to use it in glove compartment?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, so you just throw change it loose change in
your glove compartment.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, I also have a big like uh not a moonshine,
not a move Mason jar.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
No, it's bigger, like the big big jars. I know
what you're talking about. Yeah, I've kept coins and in my
family has.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Did I feel that guilty for throwing away change? It
is a penny, so you know what I mean? Yeah,
but I get what we're saying because you know that penny
could as little as it costs, could.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Actually help you in pinch. Yeah, Okay, good joke. Welcome down.
Said I threw money away on Sunday. I bet I
know where I am gonna go. With Luca Bogovac, the
star for Carolina who got his first start last night,
got his first college start, I should say, nineteen points
to help number eighteen North Carolina beat Radford eighty nine
to seventy four. Henry Vassar also had eighteen, Caleb Wilson

(40:21):
a double double, thirteen and fourteen and the Tar Heels.
This was again an ugly game, lots of foul calls
and thirty three on Radford, but the Heels shot so
poorly to start this game. They were one of their
first eleven from three point range and didn't really take
control of this game until late in the first half,
but Luka Bogovac nineteen points in his first college start,

(40:43):
getting it done as the Heels got another win and
off to a three and oh start, and I would
be you know, I also have to mention here too,
Duke beat up on Army yesterday. As if you didn't
hate Duke enough, they beat up on a service academy
on Veterans Day, of all days, on a night where
I'm kidding, but I'm also not. Coach k was given
a banner, you know, by his alma mater at West Point,
and Duke went and beat the snot out of him,

(41:04):
hanging one hundred and fourteen points on Army yesterday. So
again the Heels three and zero. Duke winning last night.
How about how about wake last night too? I mean
I thought, I thought that was for a minute gonna be,
you know, a big win for wake Forest, and of
course it turned out not to be that. But like
I thought that they had a chance to win that game,

(41:26):
took Michigan to overtime and just couldn't get it done. Man,
And that's the number six team in the country, So
it's not a game you expect them to win, but man,
I thought that Steve Forbes was about to get a massive,
massive early season non conference win to help bolster what
will almost assuredly be a bubble resume come you know,
late February.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Well, they haven't had that marquee win in non conplay.
They've had some opportunities, and even when you get a
marquee win or statement win, they didn't completely erase it
with a horrible loss like they had last three years.
So that was pretty bad. Pretty bad that they didn't
get to win, But I also didn't expect them to
get that win heading into this game, so it's frustrating,

(42:08):
but it also is good because I didn't know what
to expect from this weight team, and I still don't
really know what to expect from them, But if yesterday
was any indication, they could be better than we followed,
and I honestly think, Kyle, this ACC is more of
what we've been expecting and accustomed to as long time
fans of the ACC. I'm not saying it's peak back

(42:28):
to what it was a couple of years ago, but
you look already Duke's got a big win over Texas,
and I think that Texas team's tournament bound Louisville just
got a big win over Kentucky, and North Carolina looks
more and more of what we expect North Carol line
to look like. That's three ACC teams within any week
of the season that I've already gotten major wins this year.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, people are gonna tell us, Oh, you guys do
this every year. You try to talk yourselves into the
ACC being back to, you know, the acc of old
and they just aren't. And it's like, eh, Okay, We've
been burned a couple of times. But yeah, I'm with you,
Duke and Louisville last night beating Kentucky, by the way,
Pat Kelsey dislocating his ring finger, and the locker room
celebrating after the facts that it bent to ninety degrees

(43:08):
in the middle of the celebration had to have the
trainer come pop it back into place. It was pretty gruesome.
But North Carolina, Duke, Louisville, you're right about that.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
What you go? Heck, Florida State almost beat Florida last night.
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And I did say, now I'll be accused of you know,
homerism for this, but I think you'll back me up
to an extent, and I know some of the guys
will too. I felt like Mike Young and Blacksburg had
they think they're going to be a lot better than
what people gave them credit for before the season, and
now watching the Idallas kid from Greece who looks like
a top ten pick, hard to argue that they won't

(43:40):
be so long as he stays healthy. So I mean,
this feels like it's I would say this is an
acc that gets at five to six teams in the
NCAA tournament. That's what I think sitting here in early November.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I think that's very fair, and I honestly think it
can get a little bit higher as well. So it's big.
You know, Virginia Tech beating Providence that was a pretty
good win. Not not earth shattering, but it's like one
that you look at like Providence has not been awful
by any means, so that should be pretty good win.
I'm with you, and I also look at some of
the other teams that are with new coaches, both Virginia
and NC State. They haven't wowed you yet, but they've

(44:12):
been taking care of business, stacking wins. That's important for
bou for those schools too.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I fully expect State to be a tournament team. I
fully expect them to make the tournament. I won't be
shocked at Virginia peeps around to Oh right, Ohm's a
good coach, so you know, we'll see how it goes.
Listen a texter a seven oh four number a minute ago.
I'm not going to read the entire text, but he
told us, I don't know what you guys don't understand.
I love when Tech start that way. I don't know
what you guys don't understand. The quarterback issue for the
Panthers is literally ruining the team. The void of leadership

(44:40):
within the Panthers is due to the lack of quarterback.
It's like this in every sport. You guys keep chalking
it up to one thing or another, but the defense
is tired of performing. The offense is terrible, worst offense
the Panthers have ever put on the field. Says, he
doesn't know what we don't understand. Well, I'll bring this
up to Roman Harper next. He played for the Saints
and the Panthers, and he's an SEC Network analyst. Harpernect

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