November 13, 2025 • 40 mins
In the show's final hour, Kyle and Smoke start to dive deep into the Panthers-Falcons game and how unpredictable this game seems to be, and why this might have the makings of a chaotic game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
All right, The Great Chicken and Waffles Debate is on
fire on the FanDuel text line right now. I didn't
know that it'd blow up quite like that, but I
do appreciate it. I have a lot of people telling
me that I need to make a trip up eighty
five to Greensboro to Dame's Chicken and Waffles. I've heard
of it, I've never been there. Maybe I need to go.
But if you missed it. We had a caller GM
Joe earlier in the show that didn't mean for that
to ry. He told us that he ran into Willy
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P at the Spectrum Center, and I guess Willy P
was ordering chicken and waffles.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We talked to Willy P in the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We had too much business to get to veer off
into the silliness of food takes, even though that's a
lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And somebody said, why didn't you ask him?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I said, well, since you mentioned it, chicken and
waffles to me is on the mount Rushmore things that
just never quite hit right. You know, one of those
things that sound great but never delivers, at least for
me yours. Truly, it's either the chicken's good and the
waffle is lacking, or vice versa. It just never seems
to hit right. And I got people that agree. I
got people who are telling me I'm crazy. I got
people telling me that Roscoe's chicken or chicken and waffles
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is overrated, that Dame's Chicken and Waffles in the Triangle
area is phenomenal. Then we've got people veering off into Bojangles,
Cajun Filet, chicken biscuits and everything else. On the text line,
I will say aj and Charlotte says Habradish and Noda
has a pretty good chicken and waffle, And that might
be the answer to my question because as a former
Noda resident who used to get catch dinner at Haberdish
from time to time, they've got that sweet tea butter
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over there at Haberdish that I mean, it'll make your
knees buckle. So if you're telling me that I can
get some chicken and waffles with their sweet tea butter
over there at Habridish, I think we have a listener
who used to cook over there, So I mean that
place if you've never been. They're getting some free advertising
on the show right now. But Habradish and Noda, I
used to be able to walk. I can almost spit
on their front door from mine, Like, ah, that place
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is good, so maybe I'll try.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It at have herdish.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But a lot of strong, strong chicken and waffles takes
on the text line right now. I appreciate that seven
four five, seven ninety six ten hit us up on
the fan duel text line. Jersey Frank is up first
here in the five o'clock hour on the phone lines,
Jersey Frank, how you been well?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Great?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Since I don't want to talk about the exciting panthers.
First off, Roscos is okay out in LA. There was
one in Anaheim. That's pretty good. Bro. You need to
get you need to get to Boone. You need to
go to the local. I kissed the chef. I kissed her.
I'm like, whre's the chef here? How did you do this?
They have I can't even explain it. It's ridiculous. And
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as far as Chief takes, Bro, I'll send me a
Facebook message. I'll take you I'll buy I'll take you know,
places a cheese take your You'll weep like you will
weep because if you don't get the bread right and
you don't get the stupid cheese that that cheese with crap. Yeah,
you gotta have it stuff. It's got to be done right.
You can't go to when you go to Philly, you
can't just go and go to like the Patch, or
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you gotta go hardcore. You got to go to the
Rnning terminal. You gotta go to the Knicks and you
get a cheese stick figure and forget about it. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But I got see that's the thing. I got one
at the terminal and I just wasn't impressed. I thought
it was the Knicks. I went with No, No, it
was me and Mark Packer and like one or two
other people because pack was up there covered Army Navy
at the same time and we were leaving and pack
was like, let's go to the terminal, and so we did.
And I'm pretty sure I got to the.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Next I don't know how to be a bad day,
you got to get to the local. Listen to me.
I was with my wife and I said, I asked,
who's the cook here and she's a woman over there.
She's on her to it, so bring her out here,
bring her out here. I stood up, hugged and kidstar.
I said, I've never ate anything like this, like whatever
they get to the Europe and it was unbelievable. It's
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called the local. If you leave app State and you
make our left, go through the traffic light, throughout buildings
up on the left, we kill it.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Thank you, Frank, you're the man. I appreciate you, buddy,
Thank you, my man. Jersey Frank checking in real quick,
and I'll get off the food stuff. Seven o four
number just said, Mertz Soul Food and Uptown is worth
the trip.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh buddy, I know.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Let me tell you the best sweet potato pancakes I've
ever had in my life. Smoke you ever had a
sweet potato pancake?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I beg your pardon?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, yoh, buddy, Mertz sweet potato pancakes. I'm assuming they
still have them on the menu again. Buckland the knees, buddy,
that's how good those things were. Buckland the Knees. Mertz
Soule Food and Uptown highly recommend. All right, Moving on,
seven O four five seven ninety six, to ten hit
us up on the fan Duel text line. We brought
up the Panthers game earlier in the show. We always
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talked Panthers, but Falcons on Sunday in Atlanta, Panthers at
five and five. Because of who they just lost to.
This feels to a lot of people. I'll phrase it
this way. I think there are people who are putting
a little bit too much on this game.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And I'm not trying to downplay it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Or reset the bar, or manage expectations or any of
those things. I just think they're like, they better not
lose this Oh, they better not lose this game. They
bet Bryce better ball out Bryce. I told one of
the biggest Bryce haters the other day on the text line, Oh,
Bryce is throwing for four hundred on Sunday, just to
get him riled up. I was like, Bryce is going
for four hundred and four tuties on Sunday. He needs,
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I think of he needs to play well. And I again,
not trying to downplay it. They're all important. That is
the nature of football, and the NFL in particular. You
only get seventeen of them. It's a weekly appointment. It's
appointment viewing. You get one every single week, and they
count for a lot, and you've beaten this team once already.
But they're going to be motivated, and every team should
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be motivated every week. I'm sure there are players or
former players and coaches who roll their eyes when you know,
folks like us say that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I get me motivated. You should be motivated every week.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But when they came in here and lost thirty to nothing,
you know they're going to remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Now Atlanta's banged up.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
The true extent to which they're banged up, though, I'm
not really sure, because I think they had eleven guys
show up on their injury report yesterday. But some of
those guys, like Drake London, are just like sick with
a cold, and so I'm assuming they're going to pump
him full of emergency and zycam and he's going to
be ready to go for Sunday, especially if it being
a home game exactly. So I would imagine that he's
gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, And I think a part of that has to
do with the fact that they've flown out of the
country that right they're coming back from Germany and Berlin,
and I think that's a big advantage for Carolina's affected.
They're coming back from Germany and they don't even get
a bye week. Yeah, so they're kind of behind the
eight ball. Not saying that they're not ready, but like
physically and mentally, that kind of takes a toll, especially
when you lost the game to the way you lost
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against the Colts and ot where it looked like you
had it in the bag and then you didn't get
it done. I viewed this and the problem is, Kyle,
it's been twelve years since Carolina swept Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's been a long time.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You have to go all the way back to twenty
thirteen when they edged out the Falcons to end the
season and officially clinched the NFC South. That's how long
it's been since they swept Atlanta, not even in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Because that's their one loss.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I think you have that, you have the fact that
they're nine to twenty one lifetime against the Falcons. But
I also look at this and I just think Carolina
coming off a loss, I feel like gets them in
position to win this game because it's like, hey, wake
up here, buddy, Yeah, Hey, you can't just walk sleep
walk into a game like this because.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You can't, and you look at the rest of the schedule.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Not saying that the Falcons are good or bad or anything,
but when you think about it, this would rank lower
on the hierarchy of the games you have left when
it comes to the most winnable because I think the
Rams are harder than the Falcons. I think both Bucks
games are going to be harder, and then you got
to go in against the Seahawks. So the only game
that I think is easier than the Saints quote unquote
is probably the Falcons. They're the second easiest game you
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have left on the schedule. And that's not saying that
a slight towards the Falcons, but it just that's how
tough the back half the schedule is.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, no, you're right about that. I do think Actually,
I'll put it this way, I think there's a very
good as a high probability that this is a fun game,
like well played game like last year's was.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, like both of these.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Teams coming in highly motivated and locked in Falcon's trying
to get some get back. They got humiliated here. Panthers
dropped a game that they're just getting crushed for against
the Saints. Players speaking out about preparation, lack of focus,
bad practices. I think there's a high probability that both
teams come in focused and locked in and that we
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get an entertaining game. Now, I don't know what that
looks like. Right, Panthers are coming in as one of
the best rushing attacks in the NFL. But we just
watched New Orleans and one to eight teams sell out
to stop the run. They buy and large did that
help Rico dabble in check? And you know, they didn't
put up the usual rushing numbers that we'd become accustomed to.
But the Panthers, the running backs are averaging one hundred
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and twenty four rushing yards a game. That's third best
in the NFL. And the Falcons run defense has been
a major liability. They're allowing i think one hundred and
forty seven yards per game on the ground, which is
fifth worst in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And if you remember Tuba, it was Cuba that was
the starting back in that Atlanta game.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's right, and even Rico that's true. But again, we
know what the Falcons game plan is going to be. Yep,
there's no question what the Falcons game plan will be.
It will be identical to what New Orleans just.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Did, and they'll have more exotic blitz with the guys
that they have, because that's what he did against J. J. McCarthy.
That's what they tried to do against Price Young. But
they'll do a little bit of both. And you know,
I know the big story with them is James Pierce
Hueter and Jalen Walker, the two rookie guys that they drafted.
But that's not the guy I'm worried about on defense.
It's Kate Ellis. Because Ellis, even in that thirty to
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nothing blowout win for Carolina, Ellis got some of himself.
You know, he got some of his on the defensive side.
He was able to get in and get some stops
and drop in the coverage. He's a little bit of
a Swiss Army knife that Atlanta has on defense. That's
the guy I'm most concerned about on that Atlanta defense.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I'm with you, and you know, a texter Cia operation
says two hundred yards and two touchdowns that's all I'm
asking for from Bryce Young. Yeah, I mean I'd like
to get about two thirty two forty and two touchdowns
from Bryce Young. I think that's what it's going to
take to potentially win this game, because again I think
the Falcons not good against the run, and there's a
chance that the Panthers offensive line goes out there and
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sets the tone, it dominates the line of scrimmage and
opens up big mack truck sized holes and Rico Dalda
runs wild.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Certainly hope that happens.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
But assuming they deployed the same game plan that the
Saints did and we all expected, Bryce is going to
have to make the throws. He's going to have to
make the plays. And the first game was weird, right,
thirty to nothing. Michael Pennick's a gift of an interception
out in the flash to Shaw Smith Wade, you know,
and they were just bad.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They were.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I remember going into the next week, the Patriots
media was mocking the win, saying it was fake, it
was fugazy. Panthers aren't a good team, you know, that
wasn't a real thirty to nothing win. And they looked
right about that, certainly. After their beatdown, the Panthers then
picked up some big wins. We all know the story,
but in that game, Bryce only threw for one twenty one.
He was sixteen of twenty one for one twenty one.
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They didn't have to do much. Now, they did rush
for over one hundred yards. Cuba had seventy three on
seventeen carries. Rico had thirty yards on ten carries, and
they ran for a buck ten as a team. But
like this is one where again I mentioned the Falcons
run defense being a major liability. They're really bad on
third down two, They're really bad. They're third down defense.
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They've allowed a third down conversion rate of sixty one percent,
which is the worst in the NFL this season. Yeah,
teams are converting sixty one percent of the time on
third down against the Falcons. That's Bryce young territory right now.
Maybe you know third and two, third and three, maybe
that's still Rico territory. You know, with third and four
and beyond, that's Bryce Young territory. Bryce is going to
have to pick up key third downs with his arm
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in particular, but also with his legs on Sunday, and
there have been people this week still questioning how healthy
Bryce is.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And I'm not you're not wanting to make that the expense.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I don't want to give an excuse that isn't real right,
if he's still hurting. I don't know that. I haven't
seen anything noticeable out there. Maybe others have picked up
on some things that I'm missing, but I've looked for it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So, like I told you when they brought him back,
I'm going to assume that he's healthy. So third downs
on Sunday are going to be They're always big, but
for Bryce in particular, he has to be sharp on Sunday,
especially on those third down opportunities, because the Falcons are
willing to give him up. And offensively, you know, the
Falcons are throwing less than a lot of teams. They've
been operating with just like forty five percent pass attempts
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among you know, plays that they run, which is the
lowest in the league.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
They're going to want to run the football.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And while they can run the football, you know, that's
the strength of the Panthers defense, we believe is stopping
the run. And outside of Buffalo, they've pretty they've pretty
much done that consistently this year. So you know, you
would you'd think Atlanta's going to get theirs on the
ground to an extent. Yeah, but even in the first game,
be John only had one or two runs that made
you go, oh, yep, that's b John. Outside of that,
they kind of held him in check.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Together problem is that's not the only back they have
because they have Tyler Aljier too.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He could cause some problems.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So you got to be all hands on deck when
it came to that from but you also have to
realize a you know, got to worry about Drake London
and I think Darnell Mooney's getting closer and closer to
being fully healthy. He got hurt during training camp and
they really downplayed it. And now we just kind of
realized how serious the injury was during training camp for
Darnell Mooney, So you got to keep an eye on
that too. He struggled in the first game, so something
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to keep an eye on. And I'll I'm we haven't
really talked about it just because he's not lived up
to the hype of being a top ten pick. But
it is nerve racking that Trevin Willallas is hurt and
you got to go against Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah. Well, and do we know who's getting the green
dot on Sunday? Do we know that?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Is it going back to Christian Rose? Boom or do
they think Claude Cherwos can call the defense.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here's when Dave Canalis has asked, this is what he
said her speaking of green dot, Will shouldn't get it again.
Now we're working through that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh so we have no idea. So we're working through that.
I mean I would listen. I would imagine if Claude
and Cherless, I mean the twos work like the ones
in practice, right, So I'd imagine he's doing that with
the reps that he's getting out there.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And I think you they are also wig in the
option of like look, rose Boom was degreen dot earlier
this year, but we've seen that, while not being perfect,
he is definitely much better without the green dot. So
do you want to risk, you know, diluting and watering
down Christian Roseboom's performance just so you have an actual
starter with the green dot? Or do you just give
it to Claude Cherless and see how he does?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, I don't know, can you can you start
that way and if you don't like what you're seeing,
can you give it back to rose Boom?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Do you think that hinders him?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I don't know how they go in this direction? What
they're gonna do with this. But again, Claude and Cherliss
is the direct backup to Trevin Wallace, and so I
would imagine, you know, he's gonna I would think maybe
there's a chance he gets that responsibility. Seven oh four,
five seven ninety six ten, seven oh four number on
the Fanduels line, saying this game is going to come
down to two things. Can we stop the run like
we did against the Bills, like we did that against
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the Bills. Well, no, that didn't happen. I think that
was a typo. And then can they stop our run
like the Bills did to us. It's going to be
hard to beat Atlanta in Atlanta. I don't know, man,
I don't know. I'm going to talk about this when
we come back with de Orlando Ledbetter because Michael Pennock
Junior had some really interesting comments yesterday about not having
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any coaching on the sideline during games, and I want
to know what he thinks about that, because we ended
last year thinking this might be a great quarterback rivalry
for years to come in the NFC South, and now
I don't think anybody's confident in that, and his comments
yesterday were really really eyebrow raising. We'll talk about it
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how you been today?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I've been pretty good, cop. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
The show today, of course, Man, it's good to have you.
You always raised the collective IQ around here, so we
appreciate that. I got to start with Michael Pennix, man, like,
we're having some pretty frustrated conversations this week and Panther
Land about losing to the one and eight Saints despite
being five and four going into that game, and people
around here are pretty salty about not just that, but
you know the way the quarterback's playing right now, and
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I know that's a big topic of conversation down there
as well. Michael Pennix Junior not having a great year
less than sixty percent complete, hasn't found a rhythm in
this Falcons offense. Also made some interesting comments about not
having help on the sideline, just you know, give me
your thoughts and tell us what's going on down there.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yeah, that that last the comments about not having help
with stuff taking out of context. He was he certainly
has help and DJ Williams' quarterback coach, t J. Yates
and Zach Robinson, Uh, you know, was he was asked about, uh,
you know, who's he talked to off the field, and
he talked about his fiance and his guys he talks
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to off the field, and somehow one of those you know,
aggregate sites took that to me and he didn't talk
to the people on the team, and uh, that's kind
of grewsome legs over So it's just kind of upstird. Uh,
you know, people that aren't here every day, uh and
don't know, you know, they weren't sitting in the room,
and then they kind of tell people what it was
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that's just a bad comment on where we're at with
social media and so forth. So he certainly got help. Uh,
the accuracy has been a issue, that's legit. This is
his worst game of forty two point nine percent, twelve
to twenty eight game which they happen to lead. We're
won forty four to go. So he talked about missing
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open receivers and he said that he feels like he's
not helping a team when he does that. So, uh,
that is an issue. He needs to start those open.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Oh no, or lady's still with us?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, okay, we thought we thought we drop you dropped
for a second, all right, So to the point you
just made a second ago over time with the Colts
one point loss to the Patriots, Right, there have been
some you know, one possession games that just haven't gone
their way, and so they've been close. But I also
go back to the first loss to the Panthers, and
you know, we do a fun segment on Mondays after
the Panthers win called Loser Radio where we just tap
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into the opposing teams radio and listen to the fans
rant and rave about the team. And I recall that
day there being a lot of conversation about Zach Robinson
and the offense and why they can't figure it out.
So just overall offensively, where do you think their problems lie?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Their problems are on third downs? They were oprat against
the coach eight for forty in the last four games
during the four game losing street while also a mass
in three hundred and thirty yards a game. So it
makes no sense that, you know, they they can't keep
it moving on third downs, and they they kind of
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fixed the red zone problem, but it's you know, it's
still just average eighteen points a game, so you know
they're moving the bar between the twenties and then shooting
themselves in the foot on third downs and in the
red zone. So that's pretty much where they're at. People
hate the pistol offense down here. I don't know what
they want. But Dak Robinson did talk about going to
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more two back sets without year and Vjhon Robinson moving forward, what.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Do you know, we're again, we're having some struggles here
right now, but I do think they're a little bit
different than what you're talking about at the moment. Why
is this defense for Atlanta struggling so much? In particular,
against the run. What's going on there? Is it all
injuries or what?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, they lost one guy the ban Dieblo, so that's
not not the injuries, but it's the smallest fast defense
to time and get after the quarterback. They wanted to
play like this old Coat team where they're playing from
ahead and then they're fast in Matthison free can get
after people. But the problem has been there haven't been ahead,
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they're not scoring enough points, and defense has been unfeel
too long, and they basically get ran over and wore down.
And that's happening here in the losing streak against the
forty nine ers and against you know, the Patriots, and
again against the Coat.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
How injured are they overall going into this game. I've
seen reports of as many as eleven guys on the
injured list, but I'm not sure how many of those
guys are truly hurt and won't play.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, probably just one. Leonard Floyd Drake Blennon, the big one.
He was back at practice today, Leonard fort outside linebacker.
They signed another outside linebacker today from the practice squass,
so that's probably He's gonna probably take Leonard for Floyd's
place in the rotation. To lead Kareem uh so, but
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Chris Listen's the one to watch. He's had a foot
right guard. I had a tough time with Dack Brown
last time. Uh, you know, that's the that's the key one.
But the rest of the people are are expected to
play or at least be questionable going into the game.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Have they talked much this week? Like, I know the
Panthers are gonna be motivated. Every team should be motivated
every week, but I know this team here is gonna
be motivated because they just lost to a bad New
Orleans team, and you we got players, you know, saying
that we didn't have a great week of practice, we
weren't prepared, we weren't focused, and so I think they're
gonna be locked in. But I also think Atlanta's gonna
be locked in given the results of the first matchup.
Has been much talk about that this.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Week they're half Uh you even heard a little bit
about payback and we all those guys, you know, because
after that they were like, hey, that's not us, We're
not this. Then they did the same thing against the
Dolphins that want to six Dolphins a couple of weeks later.
So we don't know which Falcons. Team's gonna show up?
(23:22):
That was our storyline going into Berlin, like which team's
gonna show up? The Dolphins and Pantas team are the
team that beat Buffalo in Washington, so you know that
they've kind of been all over the board. But they
suddenly you know, don't want the Panthers coming in here
and uh, you know, wrecking their season at this point
after they played two really good teams too.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Up, what's They're three and six right now with with
eight to go, right, so we don't know how the
season is gonna end up, but it feels like this
was a big season always for Terry Fontineau. I know
Raheem Morris has taken a lot of heat down there.
It's a high pressure job, you know, whichever one we're
talking about, Like how many jobs are at stake in Atlanta,
you know, depending upon how this goes over the next
eight games.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, I big does sideways, you can you get a
whole lot of jobs are at stake, and I mean sideways,
you know, three and three and fourteen or four and something,
you know, something like that. If they're eight and nine,
nine and eight in the midst of it, then you
know the owner, might you know, continue to build and
(24:28):
move on with with some of the people. There'll be
some changes, but you know, if everybody wants to stay
their job, they need to kind of run the table
and get to the playoffs. They have a good show
in there that will restore some peace. But they have
a shown that they're capable of doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yet, who do you think has been the most disappointing
or underwhelming pieces on this team? I mean, we talk
about Kyle Pitts a lot around here just in terms
of his pre draft expectations, but who down there has
just failed to live up to expectations.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, then Darnell Mooney, who came in the package deal
kind of with Kirk Cousins in the whole Tampa and case. Uh,
he was found out yesterday broke his collar bone in
training camp and you know, just hasn't been able to
get out the gate and has no connection with Michael Pennix.
He was had eight targets last game and only one catch,
(25:21):
and in the paper and he had eleven targets and
just one catch. So he's been the one. Kyle Pitt's
actually having his best season. Uh, you know, he's cost
seventy six percent of his targets, which is a high
for him. But he had a couple of little last week,
had a big drop and didn't the fight for the
ball on one play. Uh So, Yeah, Kyle Pitts and
(25:43):
Mooney are the two guys that need to step up here,
And how about the young quarterback a little bit more?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All right, last thing, I'll let you go here. Just
any thoughts that you've got on on Carolina. You've seen
him once already this year. They're they're five and five
and I've said this a couple of times. Orlando like
the people I think would have taking five and five
through ten games if that's what they were offered before
the season. But it's really been a roller coaster ride,
and once again people are questioning whether or not Bryce
Young is the guy. What are your thoughts on Carolina
(26:10):
from afar?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Yeah, they certainly found something with the running back dattle
and you know had Hubber as a aston the hole
as its back up, so he should be able to
throw off of that. I don't understand the inability to
not throw deep. I saw that being a big issue
up there. Last game. Is the coach talking about, hey,
(26:33):
we got him, get the passing game going. So he's
got They spent the money on our draft capital on
the wide receivers, and I figured he'd know what to
do with him. But Canalis will know by the end
of this year that's the case or not?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Well, the Orlando led Better Award winning reporter covering the
Falcons for the Atlanta Journal Constitution kind enough to join
us here on a Thursday. Thank you, brother, We appreciate you.
We'll see you soon.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
All right, Kyle, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Have a great do the same do Orlando led Better,
one of our favorites here on the show seven oh
four or five, seven oh ninety six to ten, Hit
us up on the FanDuel text line with your thoughts
and uh as usual, the FanDuel text line is popping
right now. The number of people who listen to him
talk and think that he's Ralphie made the comedian rip.
I'm how many Ralphie may text did we just get?
(27:20):
I have not said I've never seen this before. We
also got a couple of Gomer Piles. Oh that's not
come on, comes just like really, he's just got such
a distinct voice. Buddy of mine just texted me and
said he loves the Orlando led better so much. Sounds
like he's yelling at you, but in the nicest way possible.
It's true. It's true. He's just the best. I absolutely
adore de Orlando and he's good. He's so good at
(27:41):
his job.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Well, and the thing is, too, he sounds like he's
in a NASCAR garage. He did what he's trying to say, now,
what you want to do here?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, so, but he's really good at his job.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
And when you think of what do you think of
Falcons beat writers, he's one of the first, especially in
this era, that you think of like he's the first
one to come up. I'm trying to remember who was
one of the two Well, I will say in an age.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And I was just talking about this with somebody the
other day. I and I mean this with all due
respect because I grew up knowing who all the big
beat writers were for every team you did too right,
And I'm trying to be respectful because all these industries
are changing. Sports media has changed the whole landscape in
a huge way. Like there are there are far fewer
long term you know, guys who've been on the beat
(28:25):
for twenty years covering a team the way that it
used to be, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
And he's one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And that's why I love talking to guys like that,
because he's been covering this team for a long time.
He knows him inside and out. He knows the history.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I bring up Rick Minella Lot covering the Hornets for
a long time. We got several of those guys that
have covered the Panthers. But yeah, he won the Bill
None Memorial Award from the Pro Football Hall of Fame
last year.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Remember, we had him on. We had him on I
think it was October.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I think it was the first Falcons game, and we
had him on and then we found out after we
let him go that he had won the Bill None
Memorial Award from the Pro Football Yeah it was last year,
I believe, so, I said last year, twenty twenty four. Yeah,
And we had him on and we talked to him
that day about the Falcons game and then we saw
on Pro Football Talk dot Com. As soon as we
let him go, oh he just won the award. He
didn't say anything. Now, he wouldn't because he's not that
(29:12):
kind of guy. But he's awesome. I really appreciate him
seven oh four or five, seven ninety six to ten
hit us up on the fan duel text line what
you got over there?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
You guys just thinking to your point. You know, it's
pretty hard to find. And luckily the last few years
had been really great here because we've gotten a lot
of guys that have been really good, like.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Mike Kaye to come over here.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Vashti has been doing great work, and fro and Sheena
there with the Caroline Oh yes. But you know, there's
a time period where it felt like once someone that
you realized, oh they're good, they immediately they would leave
not so long after that, Like the faning was Sports
Illustrated back in the day, if your team made the
Super Bowl, they take one of the beat writers. Yeah,
and that's what he did with Jonathan Jones. And good
for Jonathan. He's now with CBS Sports. You see him
(29:50):
every single Sunday, NFL today. But you know, I think
of Marcel Luis Jaques was here for about a year
and a half.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I love saying that name.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Jordan rod Rieke really carved out a great role here
and now she's covering the NFL at large for National Yeah,
for the athletics. So it shows you how many good
beat writers come here. But it also just shows you
how rare to Joe persons of the world, the Scott
Fowlers and Darren Gantzon and how long.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm trying to think. I talked to Joe fairly frequently.
But Joe's been here, what is it fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yet fifteen sixty It was either two thousand nine or
twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Steve Reid's been at it for a long time with
the apes, Scott foul I got of course since day one.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It's the same for Darren. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean the people accused Darren of being state owned
media now shout out DG.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Love you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I mean he's obviously Darren's a walking, talking institution
of his own.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I'm trying to think. And he worked with Richard Well.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
The NFL is a little bit different too, But it
just seems like the era of those beat writers that
just carried with them that institutional knowledge, there just aren't
as many of them as they used to be. So
I appreciate guys like the Orlando led better.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Which is why when you know that was one of
the many ways of why did death of Rick Bannell
hurt us so much.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, I agree. Let's go to smoke on the headlines,
all right, Kyle.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
We got ourselves some football tonight, NFL football, that is
Thursday Night football with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
A good team.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Taking on the New York Jets, Jets by ten. No,
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. That would be something to happen.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It would be funny. It would be funny.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Jets favored rather, Patriots favored by twelve and a half
points in this game. Twelve and a half. Also the
over under forty three and a half in this one.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yes, And speaking of the New York Jets, that gets
to my next point here. The NFL owners have filed
a grievance against the NFLPA to stop the annual report cards.
Jets owner Woody Johnson called them, quote unquote totally bogus
and was the one behind this grievance. Johnson received an
F grade from his players last year. Now, for those
(31:52):
who don't know, this has been going on for about
four or five years. Yeah, and it comes out around
the time of free agency before the draft. Yeah, Woodson
has not been getting good grades for the entirety of
this report card history. I think the only team that's
been worse has been the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So the owners don't want the team report cards anymore
because it makes some of them look bad. They're filing
a grievance against the NFLPA to stop it. How dare
your employees hold you to task? But like, what's the
equivalent in real life to that? You know what I mean? Yeah,
some workplaces have suggestion boxes, you know, where you can
suggest how to make the workplace better. Maybe you can
(32:29):
email HR. So it is different. Now everything about pro
sports is different from real life for the most part too.
I mean, I think it's great content that we get
to talk about it. I could live my life without
the NFL team report cards.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
It wouldn't bother me. I don't know, how do we
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
How do people feel about the owners filing a grievance
against the NFLPA to do away with team report cards?
Seven h four five seven ninety six ten. I'd love
to know your thoughts on that. What else you got?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
We'll come back and wrap up the show. Sports Radio
ninety two to seven wfn Z, Sports Radio ninety seven
(33:24):
wfn Z KB and smoke one final time, Smoke broke
the news or passed along the news rather in the
previous segment, that the NFL and its owners are filing
a grievance against the NFL Players Association to stop the
team report cards that are issued every year that we
get to see and that that we talk about. They
(33:45):
say it exerc They say the exercise violates the collective
bargaining agreement by airing public criticism of teams. According to
documents obtained by ESPN, the league claims that the report cards,
which polled players on various aspects of working condition, violate
a CBA clause that says NFL owners and the union
must quote use reasonable efforts to curtail public comments by
(34:08):
club personnel or players which express criticism of any club,
its coach, or its operation and policy end quote. According
to an August letter from the league's management Council to
NFLPA General Counsel Tom Depasso that was obtained by ESPN.
So after months of discussions with the league. After the letter,
the NFLPA alerted the players of the grievance last week
(34:29):
and said it's quote moving ahead with this year's survey
end quote. According to a union email obtained by ESPN,
so the NFLPA saying, yeah, we're just going to keep
doing this for now. Again, that language, I would think
has been in there for a long time, and it's
only now that the NFL owners seem to have a
real problem with it. And I'm sure some have had
a problem with it for a while now, but they're
choosing now to take actions. And a bunch of texts
(34:51):
came in on this. I'll try to get to as
many many of them as I can. Let's see Puny
Giant says, Exit interviews and Headhunter review. I'm not quite
sure how that. I don't know quite what that means.
Seven oh four Numbers says I'm not for it, but
if it happens to us, then it can certainly happen
to them. And oh, he says, professors, teachers, et cetera
get rated by students all the time. I'm not for it,
(35:13):
but if it happens to us, then it can certainly
happen to them and they can see what it's like.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean, students aren't signing a document at a
collective bargaining agreement like at most they're beholden to a
code of honor. Yeah, at universities when it comes to
you know, cheating and plagiarism and things like that. But
you know, they sign no document stating will never criticize
the university. And many of those rate your professor sites
are independent sites anyway, that have nothing to do with
the university.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, but I'll criticize how much you have to pay.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
For damn textbooks.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Three hundred dollars for a used physics text I'm going
to say used, Yeah, yeah, used.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I was going to say a new one would be
like seven to fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, seven oh four Numbers said TPS reports are the
equivalent uh nine toh one fan says the owners complaining
about report cards are the ones who suck. Coach Richmond
says billionaires being held accountable, laughing emoji. Nine A zero
numbers says real life equivalent to NFL report card. Indeed
and Glassdoor survey on companies. Okay, all right, Brian says,
(36:12):
sounds like a bunch of whiny little babies who don't
like criticism. If you want better pr be better owners.
At nine a oh numbers saying the report cards are meaningless.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It gets your point across because I think last year
or two years ago, for example, the Panthers had some
complaints about some of the areas they use for like
training facilities.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, or like hot bathrooms or stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You know where you eat hot bathrooms, I mean like
cool down rooms or stuff like that. You get my point. No,
you don't, I don't. It's like the cooling rooms, like
a sauna with a toilet, sagna where you sit down
into ice baths or stuff like that. Okay, they I
think they had some complaints, and I remember JJ talking
about how he noticed how they made some changes after
that report came out last year or two years ago,
(36:58):
from two years ago to last year, and how improvements
were being made. So in some cases it actually has
helped the environment in the ecosystem of the workplace for
some some teams.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
The ecosystem of the workplace. Okay, all right, Sorry, was
that too buzzworthy for you? No, no, no, I've just been
following along you. I gotta got stumped at hot bathrooms.
I didn't quite know what that was for a second,
but I'm past it. I'm moving on. Let's see again.
You mentioned we have Patriots and Jets tonight on Thursday
Night Football. I don't think that's gonna be a great game.
(37:29):
Just gonna go out there on a limb and say,
I don't think that Patriots and Jets is gonna be
must see TV tonight. So then no Thursday night game
tonight right in college football? No big time FBS Thursday
night football game.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
No, we do have two games Tomorrow night, Louisville Clemson
on ESPN, and at eight o'clock it's Oregon minnesulta.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Why do you say it like that? I don't know
you hit the There used.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
To be a Sports Center ad with soa with yes,
Scott Van Pel saying that to Joe Mauer.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You get hit the tea a little hard. I think
that's the the off Twitter. Yeah, it's the tea.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Sorry, that's how I remember the Scot.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
VI It's okay, it's okay, But yeah, Clemson Louisville tomorrow night.
Yet decent double header on a Friday night. Yeah, Clemson
at Louisville, number twenty team in the country, and then
Minnesota at Oregon, number eighteen in the country on Fox.
So a seven thirty kick. They're staggered, right, so you
get to watch Clemson Louisville at seven thirty kickoff, and
then Minnesota Oregon tomorrow night at nine o'clock on Fox
Oregon eight and one, the only loss coming to Oregon.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Man, they're favored by twenty five and a half points.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Minnesota is six and three, four and two in the
Big Ten, and they are twenty five and a half
point underdogs in that game tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Does that seem excessive?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, it does because Minnesota has not been that bad.
They've been pretty good. Oh, the six and three, four
and two in the Big Ten. Yeah, that's a little
too high for me. Might have to get in on
that action.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I mean, what is trying to think? I know he
lost Ohio State forty two to three, but that was
in Columbus.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
It's like five ten is what we're expecting in that then,
because the over runners forty three and a half.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
I wouldn't be shocked if Minnesota MUCKs it up in
the first half.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
That's a low total with a massive spread. Yeah you
know what I mean, Like that's you're predicting almost thirty
five to ten.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Then in that game, offense hasn't been as good the
last two to three years, but still PJ Fleck finds
a way.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
That's a big number. All right.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
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Tip my cap to Ryan Kackbrinner, what a weal of
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Speaker 3 (39:42):
Hopefully that carries on the Friday. I was gonna go
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Speaker 2 (39:45):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
All right, The Great Chicken and Waffles Debate is on
fire on the FanDuel text line right now. I didn't
know that it'd blow up quite like that, but I
do appreciate it. I have a lot of people telling
me that I need to make a trip up eighty
five to Greensboro to Dame's Chicken and Waffles. I've heard
of it, I've never been there. Maybe I need to go.
But if you missed it. We had a caller GM
Joe earlier in the show that didn't mean for that
to ry. He told us that he ran into Willy
(00:47):
P at the Spectrum Center, and I guess Willy P
was ordering chicken and waffles.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We talked to Willy P in the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We had too much business to get to veer off
into the silliness of food takes, even though that's a
lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
And somebody said, why didn't you ask him?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I said, well, since you mentioned it, chicken and
waffles to me is on the mount Rushmore things that
just never quite hit right. You know, one of those
things that sound great but never delivers, at least for
me yours. Truly, it's either the chicken's good and the
waffle is lacking, or vice versa. It just never seems
to hit right. And I got people that agree. I
got people who are telling me I'm crazy. I got
people telling me that Roscoe's chicken or chicken and waffles
(01:21):
is overrated, that Dame's Chicken and Waffles in the Triangle
area is phenomenal. Then we've got people veering off into Bojangles,
Cajun Filet, chicken biscuits and everything else. On the text line,
I will say aj and Charlotte says Habradish and Noda
has a pretty good chicken and waffle, And that might
be the answer to my question because as a former
Noda resident who used to get catch dinner at Haberdish
from time to time, they've got that sweet tea butter
(01:43):
over there at Haberdish that I mean, it'll make your
knees buckle. So if you're telling me that I can
get some chicken and waffles with their sweet tea butter
over there at Habridish, I think we have a listener
who used to cook over there, So I mean that
place if you've never been. They're getting some free advertising
on the show right now. But Habradish and Noda, I
used to be able to walk. I can almost spit
on their front door from mine, Like, ah, that place
(02:04):
is good, so maybe I'll try.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It at have herdish.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But a lot of strong, strong chicken and waffles takes
on the text line right now. I appreciate that seven
four five, seven ninety six ten hit us up on
the fan duel text line. Jersey Frank is up first
here in the five o'clock hour on the phone lines,
Jersey Frank, how you been well?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Great?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Since I don't want to talk about the exciting panthers.
First off, Roscos is okay out in LA. There was
one in Anaheim. That's pretty good. Bro. You need to
get you need to get to Boone. You need to
go to the local. I kissed the chef. I kissed her.
I'm like, whre's the chef here? How did you do this?
They have I can't even explain it. It's ridiculous. And
(02:44):
as far as Chief takes, Bro, I'll send me a
Facebook message. I'll take you I'll buy I'll take you know,
places a cheese take your You'll weep like you will
weep because if you don't get the bread right and
you don't get the stupid cheese that that cheese with crap. Yeah,
you gotta have it stuff. It's got to be done right.
You can't go to when you go to Philly, you
can't just go and go to like the Patch, or
(03:06):
you gotta go hardcore. You got to go to the
Rnning terminal. You gotta go to the Knicks and you
get a cheese stick figure and forget about it. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But I got see that's the thing. I got one
at the terminal and I just wasn't impressed. I thought
it was the Knicks. I went with No, No, it
was me and Mark Packer and like one or two
other people because pack was up there covered Army Navy
at the same time and we were leaving and pack
was like, let's go to the terminal, and so we did.
And I'm pretty sure I got to the.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Next I don't know how to be a bad day,
you got to get to the local. Listen to me.
I was with my wife and I said, I asked,
who's the cook here and she's a woman over there.
She's on her to it, so bring her out here,
bring her out here. I stood up, hugged and kidstar.
I said, I've never ate anything like this, like whatever
they get to the Europe and it was unbelievable. It's
(03:55):
called the local. If you leave app State and you
make our left, go through the traffic light, throughout buildings
up on the left, we kill it.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Thank you, Frank, you're the man. I appreciate you, buddy,
Thank you, my man. Jersey Frank checking in real quick,
and I'll get off the food stuff. Seven o four
number just said, Mertz Soul Food and Uptown is worth
the trip.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh buddy, I know.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Let me tell you the best sweet potato pancakes I've
ever had in my life. Smoke you ever had a
sweet potato pancake?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I beg your pardon?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, yoh, buddy, Mertz sweet potato pancakes. I'm assuming they
still have them on the menu again. Buckland the knees, buddy,
that's how good those things were. Buckland the Knees. Mertz
Soule Food and Uptown highly recommend. All right, Moving on,
seven O four five seven ninety six, to ten hit
us up on the fan Duel text line. We brought
up the Panthers game earlier in the show. We always
(04:43):
talked Panthers, but Falcons on Sunday in Atlanta, Panthers at
five and five. Because of who they just lost to.
This feels to a lot of people. I'll phrase it
this way. I think there are people who are putting
a little bit too much on this game.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And I'm not trying to downplay it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Or reset the bar, or manage expectations or any of
those things. I just think they're like, they better not
lose this Oh, they better not lose this game. They
bet Bryce better ball out Bryce. I told one of
the biggest Bryce haters the other day on the text line, Oh,
Bryce is throwing for four hundred on Sunday, just to
get him riled up. I was like, Bryce is going
for four hundred and four tuties on Sunday. He needs,
(05:25):
I think of he needs to play well. And I again,
not trying to downplay it. They're all important. That is
the nature of football, and the NFL in particular. You
only get seventeen of them. It's a weekly appointment. It's
appointment viewing. You get one every single week, and they
count for a lot, and you've beaten this team once already.
But they're going to be motivated, and every team should
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be motivated every week. I'm sure there are players or
former players and coaches who roll their eyes when you know,
folks like us say that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I get me motivated. You should be motivated every week.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But when they came in here and lost thirty to nothing,
you know they're going to remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Now Atlanta's banged up.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
The true extent to which they're banged up, though, I'm
not really sure, because I think they had eleven guys
show up on their injury report yesterday. But some of
those guys, like Drake London, are just like sick with
a cold, and so I'm assuming they're going to pump
him full of emergency and zycam and he's going to
be ready to go for Sunday, especially if it being
a home game exactly. So I would imagine that he's
gonna be okay.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, And I think a part of that has to
do with the fact that they've flown out of the
country that right they're coming back from Germany and Berlin,
and I think that's a big advantage for Carolina's affected.
They're coming back from Germany and they don't even get
a bye week. Yeah, so they're kind of behind the
eight ball. Not saying that they're not ready, but like
physically and mentally, that kind of takes a toll, especially
when you lost the game to the way you lost
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against the Colts and ot where it looked like you
had it in the bag and then you didn't get
it done. I viewed this and the problem is, Kyle,
it's been twelve years since Carolina swept Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's been a long time.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You have to go all the way back to twenty
thirteen when they edged out the Falcons to end the
season and officially clinched the NFC South. That's how long
it's been since they swept Atlanta, not even in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Because that's their one loss.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I think you have that, you have the fact that
they're nine to twenty one lifetime against the Falcons. But
I also look at this and I just think Carolina
coming off a loss, I feel like gets them in
position to win this game because it's like, hey, wake
up here, buddy, Yeah, Hey, you can't just walk sleep
walk into a game like this because.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You can't, and you look at the rest of the schedule.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Not saying that the Falcons are good or bad or anything,
but when you think about it, this would rank lower
on the hierarchy of the games you have left when
it comes to the most winnable because I think the
Rams are harder than the Falcons. I think both Bucks
games are going to be harder, and then you got
to go in against the Seahawks. So the only game
that I think is easier than the Saints quote unquote
is probably the Falcons. They're the second easiest game you
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have left on the schedule. And that's not saying that
a slight towards the Falcons, but it just that's how
tough the back half the schedule is.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, no, you're right about that. I do think Actually,
I'll put it this way, I think there's a very
good as a high probability that this is a fun game,
like well played game like last year's was.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, like both of these.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Teams coming in highly motivated and locked in Falcon's trying
to get some get back. They got humiliated here. Panthers
dropped a game that they're just getting crushed for against
the Saints. Players speaking out about preparation, lack of focus,
bad practices. I think there's a high probability that both
teams come in focused and locked in and that we
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get an entertaining game. Now, I don't know what that
looks like. Right, Panthers are coming in as one of
the best rushing attacks in the NFL. But we just
watched New Orleans and one to eight teams sell out
to stop the run. They buy and large did that
help Rico dabble in check? And you know, they didn't
put up the usual rushing numbers that we'd become accustomed to.
But the Panthers, the running backs are averaging one hundred
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and twenty four rushing yards a game. That's third best
in the NFL. And the Falcons run defense has been
a major liability. They're allowing i think one hundred and
forty seven yards per game on the ground, which is
fifth worst in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And if you remember Tuba, it was Cuba that was
the starting back in that Atlanta game.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's right, and even Rico that's true. But again, we
know what the Falcons game plan is going to be. Yep,
there's no question what the Falcons game plan will be.
It will be identical to what New Orleans just.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Did, and they'll have more exotic blitz with the guys
that they have, because that's what he did against J. J. McCarthy.
That's what they tried to do against Price Young. But
they'll do a little bit of both. And you know,
I know the big story with them is James Pierce
Hueter and Jalen Walker, the two rookie guys that they drafted.
But that's not the guy I'm worried about on defense.
It's Kate Ellis. Because Ellis, even in that thirty to
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nothing blowout win for Carolina, Ellis got some of himself.
You know, he got some of his on the defensive side.
He was able to get in and get some stops
and drop in the coverage. He's a little bit of
a Swiss Army knife that Atlanta has on defense. That's
the guy I'm most concerned about on that Atlanta defense.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I'm with you, and you know, a texter Cia operation
says two hundred yards and two touchdowns that's all I'm
asking for from Bryce Young. Yeah, I mean I'd like
to get about two thirty two forty and two touchdowns
from Bryce Young. I think that's what it's going to
take to potentially win this game, because again I think
the Falcons not good against the run, and there's a
chance that the Panthers offensive line goes out there and
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sets the tone, it dominates the line of scrimmage and
opens up big mack truck sized holes and Rico Dalda
runs wild.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Certainly hope that happens.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
But assuming they deployed the same game plan that the
Saints did and we all expected, Bryce is going to
have to make the throws. He's going to have to
make the plays. And the first game was weird, right,
thirty to nothing. Michael Pennick's a gift of an interception
out in the flash to Shaw Smith Wade, you know,
and they were just bad.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They were.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And I remember going into the next week, the Patriots
media was mocking the win, saying it was fake, it
was fugazy. Panthers aren't a good team, you know, that
wasn't a real thirty to nothing win. And they looked
right about that, certainly. After their beatdown, the Panthers then
picked up some big wins. We all know the story,
but in that game, Bryce only threw for one twenty one.
He was sixteen of twenty one for one twenty one.
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They didn't have to do much. Now, they did rush
for over one hundred yards. Cuba had seventy three on
seventeen carries. Rico had thirty yards on ten carries, and
they ran for a buck ten as a team. But
like this is one where again I mentioned the Falcons
run defense being a major liability. They're really bad on
third down two, They're really bad. They're third down defense.
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They've allowed a third down conversion rate of sixty one percent,
which is the worst in the NFL this season. Yeah,
teams are converting sixty one percent of the time on
third down against the Falcons. That's Bryce young territory right now.
Maybe you know third and two, third and three, maybe
that's still Rico territory. You know, with third and four
and beyond, that's Bryce Young territory. Bryce is going to
have to pick up key third downs with his arm
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in particular, but also with his legs on Sunday, and
there have been people this week still questioning how healthy
Bryce is.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And I'm not you're not wanting to make that the expense.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I don't want to give an excuse that isn't real right,
if he's still hurting. I don't know that. I haven't
seen anything noticeable out there. Maybe others have picked up
on some things that I'm missing, but I've looked for it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So, like I told you when they brought him back,
I'm going to assume that he's healthy. So third downs
on Sunday are going to be They're always big, but
for Bryce in particular, he has to be sharp on Sunday,
especially on those third down opportunities, because the Falcons are
willing to give him up. And offensively, you know, the
Falcons are throwing less than a lot of teams. They've
been operating with just like forty five percent pass attempts
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among you know, plays that they run, which is the
lowest in the league.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
They're going to want to run the football.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And while they can run the football, you know, that's
the strength of the Panthers defense, we believe is stopping
the run. And outside of Buffalo, they've pretty they've pretty
much done that consistently this year. So you know, you
would you'd think Atlanta's going to get theirs on the
ground to an extent. Yeah, but even in the first game,
be John only had one or two runs that made
you go, oh, yep, that's b John. Outside of that,
they kind of held him in check.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Together problem is that's not the only back they have
because they have Tyler Aljier too.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
He could cause some problems.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So you got to be all hands on deck when
it came to that from but you also have to
realize a you know, got to worry about Drake London
and I think Darnell Mooney's getting closer and closer to
being fully healthy. He got hurt during training camp and
they really downplayed it. And now we just kind of
realized how serious the injury was during training camp for
Darnell Mooney, So you got to keep an eye on
that too. He struggled in the first game, so something
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to keep an eye on. And I'll I'm we haven't
really talked about it just because he's not lived up
to the hype of being a top ten pick. But
it is nerve racking that Trevin Willallas is hurt and
you got to go against Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah. Well, and do we know who's getting the green
dot on Sunday? Do we know that?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Is it going back to Christian Rose? Boom or do
they think Claude Cherwos can call the defense.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here's when Dave Canalis has asked, this is what he
said her speaking of green dot, Will shouldn't get it again.
Now we're working through that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh so we have no idea. So we're working through that.
I mean I would listen. I would imagine if Claude
and Cherless, I mean the twos work like the ones
in practice, right, So I'd imagine he's doing that with
the reps that he's getting out there.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And I think you they are also wig in the
option of like look, rose Boom was degreen dot earlier
this year, but we've seen that, while not being perfect,
he is definitely much better without the green dot. So
do you want to risk, you know, diluting and watering
down Christian Roseboom's performance just so you have an actual
starter with the green dot? Or do you just give
it to Claude Cherless and see how he does?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I mean, I don't know, can you can you start
that way and if you don't like what you're seeing,
can you give it back to rose Boom?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Do you think that hinders him?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I don't know how they go in this direction? What
they're gonna do with this. But again, Claude and Cherliss
is the direct backup to Trevin Wallace, and so I
would imagine, you know, he's gonna I would think maybe
there's a chance he gets that responsibility. Seven oh four,
five seven ninety six ten, seven oh four number on
the Fanduels line, saying this game is going to come
down to two things. Can we stop the run like
we did against the Bills, like we did that against
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the Bills. Well, no, that didn't happen. I think that
was a typo. And then can they stop our run
like the Bills did to us. It's going to be
hard to beat Atlanta in Atlanta. I don't know, man,
I don't know. I'm going to talk about this when
we come back with de Orlando Ledbetter because Michael Pennock
Junior had some really interesting comments yesterday about not having
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any coaching on the sideline during games, and I want
to know what he thinks about that, because we ended
last year thinking this might be a great quarterback rivalry
for years to come in the NFC South, and now
I don't think anybody's confident in that, and his comments
yesterday were really really eyebrow raising. We'll talk about it
next with award winning Falcons beat reporter our Buddy de
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Constitution beat reporter covering the Atlanta Falcons. De Orlando Ledbetter
is back with us on a Thursday afternoon. What's going on, buddy,
how you been today?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I've been pretty good, cop. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
The show today, of course, Man, it's good to have you.
You always raised the collective IQ around here, so we
appreciate that. I got to start with Michael Pennix, man, like,
we're having some pretty frustrated conversations this week and Panther
Land about losing to the one and eight Saints despite
being five and four going into that game, and people
around here are pretty salty about not just that, but
you know the way the quarterback's playing right now, and
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I know that's a big topic of conversation down there
as well. Michael Pennix Junior not having a great year
less than sixty percent complete, hasn't found a rhythm in
this Falcons offense. Also made some interesting comments about not
having help on the sideline, just you know, give me
your thoughts and tell us what's going on down there.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yeah, that that last the comments about not having help
with stuff taking out of context. He was he certainly
has help and DJ Williams' quarterback coach, t J. Yates
and Zach Robinson, Uh, you know, was he was asked about, uh,
you know, who's he talked to off the field, and
he talked about his fiance and his guys he talks
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to off the field, and somehow one of those you know,
aggregate sites took that to me and he didn't talk
to the people on the team, and uh, that's kind
of grewsome legs over So it's just kind of upstird. Uh,
you know, people that aren't here every day, uh and
don't know, you know, they weren't sitting in the room,
and then they kind of tell people what it was
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that's just a bad comment on where we're at with
social media and so forth. So he certainly got help. Uh,
the accuracy has been a issue, that's legit. This is
his worst game of forty two point nine percent, twelve
to twenty eight game which they happen to lead. We're
won forty four to go. So he talked about missing
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open receivers and he said that he feels like he's
not helping a team when he does that. So, uh,
that is an issue. He needs to start those open.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Oh no, or lady's still with us?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, okay, we thought we thought we drop you dropped
for a second, all right, So to the point you
just made a second ago over time with the Colts
one point loss to the Patriots, Right, there have been
some you know, one possession games that just haven't gone
their way, and so they've been close. But I also
go back to the first loss to the Panthers, and
you know, we do a fun segment on Mondays after
the Panthers win called Loser Radio where we just tap
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into the opposing teams radio and listen to the fans
rant and rave about the team. And I recall that
day there being a lot of conversation about Zach Robinson
and the offense and why they can't figure it out.
So just overall offensively, where do you think their problems lie?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Their problems are on third downs? They were oprat against
the coach eight for forty in the last four games
during the four game losing street while also a mass
in three hundred and thirty yards a game. So it
makes no sense that, you know, they they can't keep
it moving on third downs, and they they kind of
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fixed the red zone problem, but it's you know, it's
still just average eighteen points a game, so you know
they're moving the bar between the twenties and then shooting
themselves in the foot on third downs and in the
red zone. So that's pretty much where they're at. People
hate the pistol offense down here. I don't know what
they want. But Dak Robinson did talk about going to
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more two back sets without year and Vjhon Robinson moving forward, what.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Do you know, we're again, we're having some struggles here
right now, but I do think they're a little bit
different than what you're talking about at the moment. Why
is this defense for Atlanta struggling so much? In particular,
against the run. What's going on there? Is it all
injuries or what?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, they lost one guy the ban Dieblo, so that's
not not the injuries, but it's the smallest fast defense
to time and get after the quarterback. They wanted to
play like this old Coat team where they're playing from
ahead and then they're fast in Matthison free can get
after people. But the problem has been there haven't been ahead,
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they're not scoring enough points, and defense has been unfeel
too long, and they basically get ran over and wore down.
And that's happening here in the losing streak against the
forty nine ers and against you know, the Patriots, and
again against the Coat.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
How injured are they overall going into this game. I've
seen reports of as many as eleven guys on the
injured list, but I'm not sure how many of those
guys are truly hurt and won't play.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, probably just one. Leonard Floyd Drake Blennon, the big one.
He was back at practice today, Leonard fort outside linebacker.
They signed another outside linebacker today from the practice squass,
so that's probably He's gonna probably take Leonard for Floyd's
place in the rotation. To lead Kareem uh so, but
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Chris Listen's the one to watch. He's had a foot
right guard. I had a tough time with Dack Brown
last time. Uh, you know, that's the that's the key one.
But the rest of the people are are expected to
play or at least be questionable going into the game.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Have they talked much this week? Like, I know the
Panthers are gonna be motivated. Every team should be motivated
every week, but I know this team here is gonna
be motivated because they just lost to a bad New
Orleans team, and you we got players, you know, saying
that we didn't have a great week of practice, we
weren't prepared, we weren't focused, and so I think they're
gonna be locked in. But I also think Atlanta's gonna
be locked in given the results of the first matchup.
Has been much talk about that this.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Week they're half Uh you even heard a little bit
about payback and we all those guys, you know, because
after that they were like, hey, that's not us, We're
not this. Then they did the same thing against the
Dolphins that want to six Dolphins a couple of weeks later.
So we don't know which Falcons. Team's gonna show up?
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That was our storyline going into Berlin, like which team's
gonna show up? The Dolphins and Pantas team are the
team that beat Buffalo in Washington, so you know that
they've kind of been all over the board. But they
suddenly you know, don't want the Panthers coming in here
and uh, you know, wrecking their season at this point
after they played two really good teams too.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Up, what's They're three and six right now with with
eight to go, right, so we don't know how the
season is gonna end up, but it feels like this
was a big season always for Terry Fontineau. I know
Raheem Morris has taken a lot of heat down there.
It's a high pressure job, you know, whichever one we're
talking about, Like how many jobs are at stake in Atlanta,
you know, depending upon how this goes over the next
eight games.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, I big does sideways, you can you get a
whole lot of jobs are at stake, and I mean sideways,
you know, three and three and fourteen or four and something,
you know, something like that. If they're eight and nine,
nine and eight in the midst of it, then you
know the owner, might you know, continue to build and
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move on with with some of the people. There'll be
some changes, but you know, if everybody wants to stay
their job, they need to kind of run the table
and get to the playoffs. They have a good show
in there that will restore some peace. But they have
a shown that they're capable of doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yet, who do you think has been the most disappointing
or underwhelming pieces on this team? I mean, we talk
about Kyle Pitts a lot around here just in terms
of his pre draft expectations, but who down there has
just failed to live up to expectations.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, then Darnell Mooney, who came in the package deal
kind of with Kirk Cousins in the whole Tampa and case. Uh,
he was found out yesterday broke his collar bone in
training camp and you know, just hasn't been able to
get out the gate and has no connection with Michael Pennix.
He was had eight targets last game and only one catch,
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and in the paper and he had eleven targets and
just one catch. So he's been the one. Kyle Pitt's
actually having his best season. Uh, you know, he's cost
seventy six percent of his targets, which is a high
for him. But he had a couple of little last week,
had a big drop and didn't the fight for the
ball on one play. Uh So, Yeah, Kyle Pitts and
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Mooney are the two guys that need to step up here,
And how about the young quarterback a little bit more?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All right, last thing, I'll let you go here. Just
any thoughts that you've got on on Carolina. You've seen
him once already this year. They're they're five and five
and I've said this a couple of times. Orlando like
the people I think would have taking five and five
through ten games if that's what they were offered before
the season. But it's really been a roller coaster ride,
and once again people are questioning whether or not Bryce
Young is the guy. What are your thoughts on Carolina
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from afar?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Yeah, they certainly found something with the running back dattle
and you know had Hubber as a aston the hole
as its back up, so he should be able to
throw off of that. I don't understand the inability to
not throw deep. I saw that being a big issue
up there. Last game. Is the coach talking about, hey,
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we got him, get the passing game going. So he's
got They spent the money on our draft capital on
the wide receivers, and I figured he'd know what to
do with him. But Canalis will know by the end
of this year that's the case or not?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Well, the Orlando led Better Award winning reporter covering the
Falcons for the Atlanta Journal Constitution kind enough to join
us here on a Thursday. Thank you, brother, We appreciate you.
We'll see you soon.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
All right, Kyle, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Have a great do the same do Orlando led Better,
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Speaker 4 (27:42):
Well, and the thing is, too, he sounds like he's
in a NASCAR garage. He did what he's trying to say, now,
what you want to do here?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, so, but he's really good at his job.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
And when you think of what do you think of
Falcons beat writers, he's one of the first, especially in
this era, that you think of like he's the first
one to come up. I'm trying to remember who was
one of the two Well, I will say in an age.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And I was just talking about this with somebody the
other day. I and I mean this with all due
respect because I grew up knowing who all the big
beat writers were for every team you did too right,
And I'm trying to be respectful because all these industries
are changing. Sports media has changed the whole landscape in
a huge way. Like there are there are far fewer
long term you know, guys who've been on the beat
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for twenty years covering a team the way that it
used to be, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
And he's one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And that's why I love talking to guys like that,
because he's been covering this team for a long time.
He knows him inside and out. He knows the history.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I bring up Rick Minella Lot covering the Hornets for
a long time. We got several of those guys that
have covered the Panthers. But yeah, he won the Bill
None Memorial Award from the Pro Football Hall of Fame
last year.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Remember, we had him on. We had him on I
think it was October.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I think it was the first Falcons game, and we
had him on and then we found out after we
let him go that he had won the Bill None
Memorial Award from the Pro Football Yeah it was last year,
I believe, so, I said last year, twenty twenty four. Yeah,
And we had him on and we talked to him
that day about the Falcons game and then we saw
on Pro Football Talk dot Com. As soon as we
let him go, oh he just won the award. He
didn't say anything. Now, he wouldn't because he's not that
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kind of guy. But he's awesome. I really appreciate him
seven oh four or five, seven ninety six to ten
hit us up on the fan duel text line what
you got over there?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
You guys just thinking to your point. You know, it's
pretty hard to find. And luckily the last few years
had been really great here because we've gotten a lot
of guys that have been really good, like.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Mike Kaye to come over here.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Vashti has been doing great work, and fro and Sheena
there with the Caroline Oh yes. But you know, there's
a time period where it felt like once someone that
you realized, oh they're good, they immediately they would leave
not so long after that, Like the faning was Sports
Illustrated back in the day, if your team made the
Super Bowl, they take one of the beat writers. Yeah,
and that's what he did with Jonathan Jones. And good
for Jonathan. He's now with CBS Sports. You see him
(29:50):
every single Sunday, NFL today. But you know, I think
of Marcel Luis Jaques was here for about a year
and a half.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I love saying that name.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Jordan rod Rieke really carved out a great role here
and now she's covering the NFL at large for National Yeah,
for the athletics. So it shows you how many good
beat writers come here. But it also just shows you
how rare to Joe persons of the world, the Scott
Fowlers and Darren Gantzon and how long.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I'm trying to think. I talked to Joe fairly frequently.
But Joe's been here, what is it fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yet fifteen sixty It was either two thousand nine or
twenty ten.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Steve Reid's been at it for a long time with
the apes, Scott foul I got of course since day one.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
It's the same for Darren. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean the people accused Darren of being state owned
media now shout out DG.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Love you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I mean he's obviously Darren's a walking, talking institution
of his own.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I'm trying to think. And he worked with Richard Well.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
The NFL is a little bit different too, But it
just seems like the era of those beat writers that
just carried with them that institutional knowledge, there just aren't
as many of them as they used to be. So
I appreciate guys like the Orlando led better.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Which is why when you know that was one of
the many ways of why did death of Rick Bannell
hurt us so much.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, I agree. Let's go to smoke on the headlines,
all right, Kyle.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
We got ourselves some football tonight, NFL football, that is
Thursday Night football with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
A good team.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Taking on the New York Jets, Jets by ten. No,
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. That would be something to happen.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It would be funny. It would be funny.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Jets favored rather, Patriots favored by twelve and a half
points in this game. Twelve and a half. Also the
over under forty three and a half in this one.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yes, And speaking of the New York Jets, that gets
to my next point here. The NFL owners have filed
a grievance against the NFLPA to stop the annual report cards.
Jets owner Woody Johnson called them, quote unquote totally bogus
and was the one behind this grievance. Johnson received an
F grade from his players last year. Now, for those
(31:52):
who don't know, this has been going on for about
four or five years. Yeah, and it comes out around
the time of free agency before the draft. Yeah, Woodson
has not been getting good grades for the entirety of
this report card history. I think the only team that's
been worse has been the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So the owners don't want the team report cards anymore
because it makes some of them look bad. They're filing
a grievance against the NFLPA to stop it. How dare
your employees hold you to task? But like, what's the
equivalent in real life to that? You know what I mean? Yeah,
some workplaces have suggestion boxes, you know, where you can
suggest how to make the workplace better. Maybe you can
(32:29):
email HR. So it is different. Now everything about pro
sports is different from real life for the most part too.
I mean, I think it's great content that we get
to talk about it. I could live my life without
the NFL team report cards.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
It wouldn't bother me. I don't know, how do we
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
How do people feel about the owners filing a grievance
against the NFLPA to do away with team report cards?
Seven h four five seven ninety six ten. I'd love
to know your thoughts on that. What else you got?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
We'll come back and wrap up the show. Sports Radio
ninety two to seven wfn Z, Sports Radio ninety seven
(33:24):
wfn Z KB and smoke one final time, Smoke broke
the news or passed along the news rather in the
previous segment, that the NFL and its owners are filing
a grievance against the NFL Players Association to stop the
team report cards that are issued every year that we
get to see and that that we talk about. They
(33:45):
say it exerc They say the exercise violates the collective
bargaining agreement by airing public criticism of teams. According to
documents obtained by ESPN, the league claims that the report cards,
which polled players on various aspects of working condition, violate
a CBA clause that says NFL owners and the union
must quote use reasonable efforts to curtail public comments by
(34:08):
club personnel or players which express criticism of any club,
its coach, or its operation and policy end quote. According
to an August letter from the league's management Council to
NFLPA General Counsel Tom Depasso that was obtained by ESPN.
So after months of discussions with the league. After the letter,
the NFLPA alerted the players of the grievance last week
(34:29):
and said it's quote moving ahead with this year's survey
end quote. According to a union email obtained by ESPN,
so the NFLPA saying, yeah, we're just going to keep
doing this for now. Again, that language, I would think
has been in there for a long time, and it's
only now that the NFL owners seem to have a
real problem with it. And I'm sure some have had
a problem with it for a while now, but they're
choosing now to take actions. And a bunch of texts
(34:51):
came in on this. I'll try to get to as
many many of them as I can. Let's see Puny
Giant says, Exit interviews and Headhunter review. I'm not quite
sure how that. I don't know quite what that means.
Seven oh four Numbers says I'm not for it, but
if it happens to us, then it can certainly happen
to them. And oh, he says, professors, teachers, et cetera
get rated by students all the time. I'm not for it,
(35:13):
but if it happens to us, then it can certainly
happen to them and they can see what it's like.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean, students aren't signing a document at a
collective bargaining agreement like at most they're beholden to a
code of honor. Yeah, at universities when it comes to
you know, cheating and plagiarism and things like that. But
you know, they sign no document stating will never criticize
the university. And many of those rate your professor sites
are independent sites anyway, that have nothing to do with
the university.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, but I'll criticize how much you have to pay.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
For damn textbooks.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Three hundred dollars for a used physics text I'm going
to say used, Yeah, yeah, used.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I was going to say a new one would be
like seven to fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah, seven oh four Numbers said TPS reports are the
equivalent uh nine toh one fan says the owners complaining
about report cards are the ones who suck. Coach Richmond
says billionaires being held accountable, laughing emoji. Nine A zero
numbers says real life equivalent to NFL report card. Indeed
and Glassdoor survey on companies. Okay, all right, Brian says,
(36:12):
sounds like a bunch of whiny little babies who don't
like criticism. If you want better pr be better owners.
At nine a oh numbers saying the report cards are meaningless.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It gets your point across because I think last year
or two years ago, for example, the Panthers had some
complaints about some of the areas they use for like
training facilities.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, or like hot bathrooms or stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
You know where you eat hot bathrooms, I mean like
cool down rooms or stuff like that. You get my point. No,
you don't, I don't. It's like the cooling rooms, like
a sauna with a toilet, sagna where you sit down
into ice baths or stuff like that. Okay, they I
think they had some complaints, and I remember JJ talking
about how he noticed how they made some changes after
that report came out last year or two years ago,
(36:58):
from two years ago to last year, and how improvements
were being made. So in some cases it actually has
helped the environment in the ecosystem of the workplace for
some some teams.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
The ecosystem of the workplace. Okay, all right, Sorry, was
that too buzzworthy for you? No, no, no, I've just been
following along you. I gotta got stumped at hot bathrooms.
I didn't quite know what that was for a second,
but I'm past it. I'm moving on. Let's see again.
You mentioned we have Patriots and Jets tonight on Thursday
Night Football. I don't think that's gonna be a great game.
(37:29):
Just gonna go out there on a limb and say,
I don't think that Patriots and Jets is gonna be
must see TV tonight. So then no Thursday night game
tonight right in college football? No big time FBS Thursday
night football game.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
No, we do have two games Tomorrow night, Louisville Clemson
on ESPN, and at eight o'clock it's Oregon minnesulta.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Why do you say it like that? I don't know
you hit the There used.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
To be a Sports Center ad with soa with yes,
Scott Van Pel saying that to Joe Mauer.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You get hit the tea a little hard. I think
that's the the off Twitter. Yeah, it's the tea.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Sorry, that's how I remember the Scot.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
VI It's okay, it's okay, But yeah, Clemson Louisville tomorrow night.
Yet decent double header on a Friday night. Yeah, Clemson
at Louisville, number twenty team in the country, and then
Minnesota at Oregon, number eighteen in the country on Fox.
So a seven thirty kick. They're staggered, right, so you
get to watch Clemson Louisville at seven thirty kickoff, and
then Minnesota Oregon tomorrow night at nine o'clock on Fox
Oregon eight and one, the only loss coming to Oregon.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Man, they're favored by twenty five and a half points.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Minnesota is six and three, four and two in the
Big Ten, and they are twenty five and a half
point underdogs in that game tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Does that seem excessive?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, it does because Minnesota has not been that bad.
They've been pretty good. Oh, the six and three, four
and two in the Big Ten. Yeah, that's a little
too high for me. Might have to get in on
that action.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
I mean, what is trying to think? I know he
lost Ohio State forty two to three, but that was
in Columbus.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
It's like five ten is what we're expecting in that then,
because the over runners forty three and a half.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
I wouldn't be shocked if Minnesota MUCKs it up in
the first half.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
That's a low total with a massive spread. Yeah you
know what I mean, Like that's you're predicting almost thirty
five to ten.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Then in that game, offense hasn't been as good the
last two to three years, but still PJ Fleck finds
a way.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
That's a big number. All right.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
First of all, no rewind today. Get us wherever you
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Speaker 4 (39:38):
Tip my cap to Ryan Kackbrinner, what a weal of
a forty eight hours you've had.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Hopefully that carries on the Friday. I was gonna go
with that too.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, and I'll go with proud Papa, Ryan Kalchbrenner, congrats
on becoming a dad. Tip of the cap to you.
Back tomorrow we are loaded man Chip Patterson's back, Eric
Spanberg of the Charlotte Business Journal making his first appearance
in a while, Nate Wimberley and Studio, and who knows
what else we'll find out until then for smoke, clud
we got Kyle Bailey Sports Radio ninety two seven WF
and Z.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You're gonna be dead in one hundred years anyway, Live
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