May 25, 2025 • 41 mins
In this first episode, Carina and Jacob reflect on how he became her savior while filming Married At First Sight, the night everything changed when her partner Paul punched a door and how she feels like she let women across Australia down in the fall out that followed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where do I look at the camera? Oh you look
(00:03):
down the barrel, straight down the barrel. Welcome to This
is Chaos, the first episode of our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
In this world. This is wild, this is really how
did we get here?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
First of all, before we even start doing that, I'm nervous.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Need I need a warm my hands. I'm sweaty. Do
you want me to read them for you? Can you
do palm readings? I need to see a psychic.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I have to chat GB to it. But I think
we do need to have a shot.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Did you get the shot glasses? No, I didn't get
the shot. We're drinking from the bottle exactly. It's going
to bring us back to Do you want to go first?
Because I don't know. I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Okay, I feel like I'm on school leavers crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know, every time I drink dealer, I actually gag
and vomit. So if I gag and vomit, I just
broke it. I'm not kidding. I broke it. Wait, fun,
can you put it back together? I'm not kidding. Fuck,
that was three hundred and eighty dollars. Oh God, thank you. Okay,
we'll come back. See it is broken. Look, this makes
(01:14):
me God, this is going to make me sick. That
me sad. I need a rEFInd. Should he not drink it?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And I'll go with it a new one. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Drink.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It is not even mid day anyway. Sorry, we haven't
even done the intro. This is chaos. And Jacob, you.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Have been honestly an angel from up above that came
my way. We met almost two years ago on Instagram.
I was following Jacob and I loved his craft. I
loved his social media presence and how he creates such
amazing hair. And I actually came here from my girlfriend Holly,
(01:59):
her and her her she was living here at so
I came here with to visit Holly, my girlfriend from Perth,
and she was living here she still is, and we
were going to an event at Crown Towers by Patron
and I was like, I need someone to do my hair.
So basically I reached out to Jacob. I looked on
his booking availability. There was nothing available for him to
(02:21):
do my hair, and I was like, damn it anyway,
so I just did my own hair that for that event.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Anyway, he couldn't do my hair.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
He was fully booked and I was just left it
as that, and then once I got casted for the show.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was such a quick transition period, right, I No,
not at all. Well I was doing at the time. Yeah,
I got the.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Call from the producers and I freaked out. When I
got the call, They're saying, the producer saying, we found
a match for you.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Do you accept it? Oh? I freaked out. When I cried.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I remember I was at work at our family business,
Beyond Tools, and my sisters and my mom were there,
and I I freaked out, and I was like, I
don't know what to do, Like is this the path
for me?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is this the right thing to do?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Because I was still mourning my past relationship, Like I
am I love it?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Am I ready?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And I wasn't sure if I was ready because I
was still mourning from my past relationship where I thought
I was going to marry my ex partner, and you know,
my life had all changed once we broke up. I
had to move back home to my parents' house. Hence
why I want to go into detail on another episode
about why on the show I was staying at my parents'
(03:32):
house and they filmed at my parents' house.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
There's a reason behind everything.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So I was freaking out and I cried and I said,
you know what, my sister said to me, Kreena, you
need to do this for your own self. You need
to do it. And I hadn't even watched the show ever,
but her and her husband, you know, they're ten years
older than me, big fans of the show.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
They've watched every.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Season, and she was like, you need to do this,
and I was like, well, I have nothing to lose.
I feel like I'm stuck. I feel like, like, you know,
I've started a business. This should be everyone's dream, but
I still didn't feel fulfilled. And basically as soon as
I signed the contract, they flew me out the next
week for the Hen's party, and that's where I messaged you,
(04:12):
so last minute, Like everything I do, I messaged you
and you were available and I couldn't tell you anything.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Remember that. It was actually weird because you were like,
come to my hair and then like I'm filming something
and I'm like, hold on. Usually when people reach out
to me, they give me a backstory of what I'm
doing hair for nothing. I could not yeah, and I
was there like I'm pretty sure. I was like, so like,
are you single, like and you're like m and I'm like,
(04:39):
I'm like, and I looked at your dress and I'm like,
she's too dressed up to be on like I don't know,
like a mass dinner party. I'm like, it's this is
not a Math's dinner party. And in my head, I'm like,
I know Maths is filming right now, but like I
don't think she's going into a dinner party because it's
like not that wild. And then I was I went
home and I was actually like, is she filming the Bachelorette?
Is she? I don't know what show this is? Like
(05:02):
you know, I was because I didn't disclose a show.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I just said, you just said it's for tvvs TV.
I was so scared about everything and like disobiding by
the rules and regulations because I signed the NDA and
youre shaking.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I can even like put in a video of you
like literally like not talking, and that's so not like
you now because.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Like I know, I feel like I have just like
grown so much since almost a year ago, and I
have just feel so confident in my own skin and
being in front of the counter I can see it, yeah,
and just dealing with people that I'm not familiar with,
and like interpersonal conversations has always been a big thing
for me, and I love that. I love learning people's
(05:45):
stories and having conversations. I like get good energy off
people and talking to people. But this was something so
different that what I was used to going to work
every day for my family business, working with my family.
I work with my sisters and my mom and my
brothers and our business manager who's been with us for
forty years. It was different because that was also familiar
(06:07):
to me. And then going into the whole production aspect
of filming a reality show with people I had never met,
people that we've worked in the industry for years.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I was like scary, Like did it feel scary? Kind
of taking that leap, because sometimes we feel scared, but
we kind of a push to take that leap, or
we think, oh, maybe I should just be comfortable. It
was so scary for me.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's why I confined in my sisters and my mum
had big conversations before I signed. It took me like
a week to actually sign the contract because I went
back and forth and then I sent it to our
I sent it to our solicitor. My family business solicitor
and she went through everything for me and they, obviously
(06:51):
the production Edimulshine recommend to send it to a lawyer,
the contract and make them go over it. So yeah,
it took me a good week signed the contract and
be like, what am I signing my life away for?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But I also went to a clairvoyant just before my
best we love we love clairvoyance, Like, yes, clairvoyance and
Psychic's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
No, I don't think that we should chat you bt. Yeah,
I think we need to get onto that. But I
love them.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, but so yeah, I think that's how our relationship blossomed.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Once.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I came back to Perth after the Hen's party because
that's what I was filming, but I couldn't tell you,
and I went all out. Remember the crystal dress.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That was my favorite look was iconic. Yeah, it was
statement piece. It's such a beautiful dress.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
A lot of people saying I looked like a walking Shandily,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But that's kind of hot.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So then, yeah, I went back to Perth for literally
three days, and then I remember I got so sick
because the Hen's party was.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
On a rooftop bar. It was really that day.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It was freezing and I remember all us girls were
like shaking and our teeth were jittering. And then you
just see all the camera crew that was so over
much production, and you see them behind the cameras, the producers,
the audio. They were all in massive like jackets and
you know, the real big puffer jackets. They were all
(08:13):
rugged up. And then you got the fire flames and
hears us girls were in like tiny dresses, high heels,
filming for a couple of hours and we were freezing.
I got sick from that night, and yeah, it sucked.
But and then it's flying back to Perth. It felt
like going to the other side of Australia, which it was,
but going to over East it felt like going overseas.
(08:34):
It was wild. And then the time difference anyway. So
then they flew me back to Sydney with my family
for the wedding and then I asked you to do
my mum and my sisters and my sister in laws.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think I made that moment at that moment I
hooked on and I was like, okay, so I'm like
I called Vincent that day because obviously Michael wasn't available yeah,
and I'm like, Okay, Vincent, I'm like, we're doing something.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Person is the makeup artist by the way, that worked
on Maps stuff all season.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And he did such an amazing job too, such a
beautiful job. The makeup he comes out with is just
I mean, I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Very innovative, creative.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's so hg and so yeah, so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
The podcast is going to be all about fashion, beauty, lifestyle,
everything that happens behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, well, like we just we nearly got canceled last week, so.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I know week fashion Week canceled us.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Almost almost canceled us. Yeah, it was fashion Week. Let's
let's touch on fashion Week.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I feel like now, being in the public eye, it's wild.
What I post on social media or how I dress.
People are either saying, oh, you look like Kim Kardashian,
the team Kim Kim Kardashian or Kmar Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You are vain.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Because you post selfees you dress to show your body
off like you're a religious girl.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
The negative comments are endless, and it's you know, you.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Can never do anything right basically, so what does.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The public want me to do? What honestly, like, what
do they want me?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't think there's anything you can do. I think
it's just being yourself and that's all you can really be.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, I've always and I've tried to shut down comments,
but I also have tried to be the bigger person
and just let the negative do the talking and me
just keep going with my day to day job.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And Hi, it's very difficult because it takes a toll
on you.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If I go down the spiral effect of reading negative comments,
my mental health like it's crazy, and my personality just
shuts off and I go into my shell and all
I want to do is curl up in a ball.
And it's quite scary how detrimental this can be on
anyone's mental health, not just mine, not just yours. It's
(10:54):
the work that you do, the creativity of the of
your job.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Like we get slaughtered. But again that and we did.
We did the other day, and I definitely went through
a spiral. I was like, holy shit, And you know what,
I've never been through anything like that before.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You had to speak to your business mentor.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I actually I actually got counseled. I did my first
ever counseling session because I was like, I actually can't
take it, Like what do I do in this situation?
It was scary. It was, you know, listening to all
the comments, getting DMS from people telling me that I'm shit,
telling me that I'm shit at my job. Like I
just I was like everything that I worked hard for
is going to shit. Yeah, And I'm like, holy crap,
(11:33):
this is this is wild. And I can just imagine
how you feel because obviously you were attacked and that's
even worse. You know, you obviously read these comments on
people's pages every day and it is such a It
is a really big topic that I feel like we
need to speak about because it's it's really emotional.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, and it's I think the biggest one as well,
Like I can get hit with all the negative comments
of you look like this, you're trying to be this,
be your own self.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, I get it, Like we always say it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So every woman that's ethnic European has long, dark hair,
voluptuous body like I'm curvy, it looks like Kim Kardashian.
I just dress the way I dress, and I do
radiate towards more of a style because I have a
similar body frame, and I think that my style works
best with similar things.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That she wears.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But I think the scariest thing, the most detrimental thing
for my personal mental health.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is that I've worked so hard.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
On training, eating well, always exercising for both physical and mental.
And you know, I used to be different looking when
I was younger, you know, and exactly and like, yeah,
I grew up being a tomboy and playing loads of
sports and soccer was my biggest thing that I love
(12:54):
to play.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But I went through emotion.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, I went through emotional time when things were tough
or I didn't like school, I didn't like UNI, so
I would eat.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm a walk I'm Italian.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
There's food literally presented on a platter like the Croatians, right,
and you over indulge, but.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Then had to the cupboards when I was little.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, it's wild, like the physical side, and I'm not
genetically gifted, that's very evident. I have to train hard, right,
I'm not a tall Victoria's Secret model.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I am who I am.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But yes, I have to work very hard for a
fit and healthy body. But I do love a fit
and healthy lifestyle. And I think when I was younger,
I did be a little bit on the heavier side,
and that all stemmed Like everything that's coming out now
is like giving me triggers and trauma flashbacks from when I.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Was getting bullied, essentially being.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
A bit bigger or you know, so these comments people
are saying, or a few people are saying that you
know you're on the biggest side. How are you even
wearing those types of things? And I'm like what I
was like, all my heart work, it triggers, and I'm like, okay,
so what is it? Is it that you as a human,
(14:13):
not you specifically, but this person is projecting their own insecurities.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Or like their I've never and I can cross my
heart like I've never gone on someone's page and given
them hate. It's it's like disgusting.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
You project, you will get back. So if you're projecting negativity,
you're going to get negativity in your life, which makes
you so unfulfilled and so unhappy. So change it, change
the mind and change the thoughts and project positivity.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
If it's not your cup of tea, if you move on,
scroll on.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Exactly, keep scrolling, Get off my page because I'm getting
a lot of impressions right now, Get off and go
follow someone else. I feel like people are projecting, you know,
their insecurities or they.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Aren't achieving what they want to achieve.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Whether it's in their career sector, their relationship, their personal life,
their family life, and they're just super negative and not
achieving what they want to achieve. If you think that's
happening as a person in your own life, try and
see what I post and use it as like advice,
(15:20):
or get excited to try and do similar, or take
the leap of faith and do what you actually want
to do, like get out of your right, get out
of your life.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
How I think about it is, and it goes really deep,
is that you know, everyone's been brought up a different way,
everyone's been loved a different way from their parents. So
everyone everyone's gone through different situations and they are the
person that they are. You know, you can't change someone.
So obviously these people have gone through all of this
stuff in their life and everyone has their own story,
(15:53):
but you know they feel the need to hate where
personally me, I mean, I've been brought up with a
beautiful family that is so lovely and caring and I
love them to death, but like you know, I don't
know how to hate someone. Yeah, I don't know how
to actually how we gravitated so well. We're so similar
because that's us in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Like from a friendship, a stranger that I didn't know,
we met and we got along so well, and now
we're honestly like best friends. And you I speak so
highly of you, not only your work but as a friend.
And I can trust you because now coming into this
new world and being in another state, it's very scary.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's scary. It's a whole trust.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, And you really like bring me, bring me back
down to earth, and you get me grounded and I
can confine in you, and I know you're not going
to tell people, and you really give me amazing advice.
We literally were on FaceTime the other night for hours
just chatting about life and how I was currently feeling
and just real low energy and you gave me such
(16:56):
good life advice and really made me change my thought
patterns for the better and like looking at the bigger picture.
And same with you, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We tell each other everything. And it's like I think,
when you've got someone that you can use as your
anchor and you can tell and you know they give
you advice, it's a really good you know, way to think.
So obviously I wasn't there for the last day of
fashion week. Yeah, I wasn't there, busy working. I was working, Yes,
I need to But you ran into Paul. I actually
(17:28):
haven't spoken to you because we didn't speak over the weekend,
but especially because we were filming today. But what happened
with Paul?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, I didn't digest, so did I. So I had
no idea that he was going to be there. It
was the end of fashion week Friday. I'm with my
friends the owner of Charcoal Like Clothing, Jason, who lives
in Brisbane.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Because someone posted it and I was why, I no,
so you're click bait. Why is she with Paul? Like
what is happening?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So I went to the show with Angelina and my
cup hearties from Melbourne and we.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Were with a few other people and.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
He literally was there and he was wearing a burgundy brown.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I saw it. I was like, you copied. We did
not plan this. I have no I can show everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I've got no messages, i've got no miscalls, I've got
no calls from him. And he's like, yeah, he got
invited to the last show, and so he flew in
the night before, and then he flew back to Perth
on Saturday and I was like, wow, oh my god,
it's good to see you. I honestly think that he
just wanted to be included because he's like everyone French
(18:34):
and European, and look, it was nice and stuff. But
then we were out at carriage Works and that's where
everyone all the media press take your videos, your photos,
and I was, you know, with my group, ordering a
coffee and then he comes up to me and he's like, well,
paparazzi wants to take a photo.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And he was like, is that okay? And I was like,
I was like, and you know me, but you're such
a nice person and you would have said yes, yes,
of course I did. But I was in my head,
I'm like, that's what I'm thinking through, and I'm like,
she definitely said yes to a photo, and she is
with him because she's a nice person exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I was just talking to him as a friendly gesture
and like we were just conversing and when he flew
in and what he was doing, and when he was
leaving and he asked what shows I went to, and
he was like, you look so good, and we're just friends.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Like, and I was like, I cut my ham sure anyway.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So then you know, I was just being friendly to
him like I always am, and no amimosity whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like it didn't work out for a reason of.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Bad blood never and so yeah, they were like, can
we get a photo of your tune?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I was like, I was like, where's Jacob when I
need him?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So I look over and exactly and I was like,
what do I do?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
What I did?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And I was like, okay, yeah, sure, I don't know
where those photos are going to go. And then some
person posted on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I saw it train it together, and I was like,
go one to Instagram and I was like, why is
she with Paul?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It was literally us conversing, that's all it was. We
are not dating, we are not back to.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Together article and it was like Karna and Paul trying
to work things out and I'm like, no, like I.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Said at the reunion on camera, Fernito, chapter closed and
that's sorry, guys, the best, the best. I hope he
finds the right girl for him. I will find my.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You'll find your prince charming. And that's the end of
that chapter. Yeah. On the topic of Paul, I mean
I put a questions box up last night on Instagram
to get answers from our viewers and because everyone wants
to know all these questions, and I just I'm like,
what do people actually want to know? Like I want
to bring value to our audience. Yeah, of course there
was a lot, a lot about Paul, Yeah, a lot
(20:49):
about Paul and and what happened that specific night, and
there was like stuff like it was Paul Good in
bed and I'm like, oh, oh, we we no were
for this.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So the night of the punching the door incident, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Because you know what, you didn't act like I actually
didn't know. I didn't tell you. No.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I definitely confined it in Holly because I.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Said to her it was something bigger than yeah, and
she was.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
In a relationship at the time, and I was like,
is this is this normal behavior? Is this something that
I'm am I missing something like is this a red flag?
And you know, she gave me her brutally honest opinion.
And I've been best friends with her since we were
both fifteen, So but I really I think I just
(21:42):
you know, I was shy, and I was I was
quite nervous to say something to anyone aside from her.
I didn't even tell my family. I didn't tell my mom.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Because it was a scary thing what just happened.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And also a yeah, and also I think a bit
of you know, shame and also judgment as well that
I was probably thinking about. And I just felt a
bit uncomfortable about the whole situation. But honestly, like that day,
it had nothing to do with production. It had nothing.
(22:15):
It did not need to come to light, it did
not need to come to air on the show. It
was him that brought it up. It actually happened on
a Sunday, our day off of filming.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
It was filming. Did not happen on cameras.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, so production give us an iPhone to use as
like a camp It was called like an iPhone cam
or something. So when we have our off days of filming,
we have to use the camera to film and so
content so then they can.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Add it in the season.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Or if we finished work on a Friday, if we
finished filming on a Friday, then something happens over the
weekend and we go back on Monday of filming and
we're angry at one another or you know, something's happened.
It needs to make sense so they can connect the
storylines of our relationship.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So anyway, Rejeff.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Myself and Paul I need to just take a minute
because this is full on. It is very a very
touchy subject for so many people, and.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I feel like you've never actually gone deep or toll
this story to anyone, and I'm hearing it for the
first time because I've actually never asked you.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So we were in the So we had an amazing
day on Sunday. The sun was shining in Sydney and
US four caught up off camera over the weekend where
you're not actually allowed to even converse or have conversations
or have the other contributors that's what they call us
cast members numbers, and so US for arranged to do
a double day and we started off in the city.
(23:43):
We just drank. We went to different bars like we
bar hop. Yeah, it was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We had the best day.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We drank so many cocktails and ate yummy food in
Sydney because you know, they were from Melbourne, we were
from per.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah. I was like, why exactly, Sunday session. Le's always
been live Sunday sash Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Anyway, so we had curfew at nine pm, right, because
every day you had a curfew, and we were like,
how are we going to do this? Do we get
separate ubers, Dere and Jeff get into the apartments a
bit earlier than us. We all ended up going in
the same uber and then the boys were like, okay,
we will you guys go first and then and then
we'll wait ten minutes and then we'll rock up to
(24:24):
how Sape on our level. So how Sape Little Rundown
are basically head of our apartment floor. They work for
edam all Shine, the production team, and they monitor us
twenty four to seven. So there's two of them, amazing
lovely people, but they do rotational work. I think there's
three actually, And yeah, they just always have to You
(24:46):
always have to message them. They will call you. They
will schedule your like your gym sessions. Anytime you need
to leave the apartments, if you want to even go
get a coffee, you have to tell you how Sape.
They get all your parcels, they plan everything, they said production,
your outfits you have to wear every day photos and
then they get the approval. Anyway, long story short, so
(25:07):
howse a P were calling us and messaging us. We
were in the uber well, just all having so much fun,
and we were quite intoxicated, and yeah, I've got videos
of our night in the uber, so much fun. Ree
and Jeff and myself and Paul will filming everything, and
we're playing cardpool karaoke and basically I put on a song,
(25:27):
so we're all taking turns.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I put on a song.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And it was one with Quavo in it, and so yeah,
I was like, ah haha, I slept with him like
it was just funny, stupid.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I don't know exactly green, Jeff didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Give a ship like they did not care. We all
laughed about it. Paul was like aha haa, like he
laughed as well.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So I was like, okay, cool. I like, I don't
know why I said it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I was drunk, we were all drunk. I probably shouldn't
have said it, but I said it anyway. So then
when we get back to the apartments, we say good
night to them, we say bye in text message, I think,
because we all had to go separately. And then I
get into the apartment and Paul was just like frustrated.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He was furious, he was upset.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You could see that he was pacing it to go
to the balcony, and I was like, Okay, this isn't normal. Something,
something's up. Something I said something that exactly bear in mind.
Bear in mind, you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
When Paul and I were doing the Confessions week at
the beginning of the experiment, he openly said something crazy
on camera. I actually don't know what it was. You
haven't You've never told me this before.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He openly admitted that he was into swingers with his
ex part what the fun wingers? Like, like, are you
for real? I was like, oh, tell me, have a
conversation with me. My god, I would never judge you.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
When you get to know someone, you shouldn't be judging them.
And I didn't. But I was like, oh, does your
sister and your family know about this? Like you've said
it on national television but it didn't go to air.
And then he told me all about his past dating life,
specific names of who he dated in Perth. Because Perth
is small, we know each other, everyone knows each other.
And I just let it go like it's it is
(27:22):
what it is. But so I thought the boundaries were okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It went there, your relationship went there. So then you
said I fucked a wrapp up.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. And
he just got so upset and he was so dramatic
about the whole situation. I was trying to suppress and
calming down, and I kept apologizing. Then he left to
go for a walk, right and spoke to how Sap.
He went and ordered his macas, got his food, fed
(27:52):
his big belly, and then I was messaging him being like,
are you okay. I'm so sorry? Are you coming back
to the apartments? I'm like getting nervous about it, and
and he was like he was upset, and I was like, shit,
he didn't offer if I wanted any food, and I
was like, this is a bit weird, but okay, I'm
so sorry. He comes back and he's still like just
(28:16):
not in a good space.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
What's going on? And I was trying to because I've
I had. But the thing was, your relationship went that
deep with that topic, Like that topic went there. Yeah,
So now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I didn't put that comment out there. I didn't actively
go on social media to be like I slept with
this rapper when I was living in America at the time. No,
I didn't bring it to light on the show. He
actually brought it up off camera that then had to
come on camera.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So then I could have.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Been swept under the absolutely could have just been demolished.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So do you think he did it for dry drama?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Ship was going so well and it was a random
We were so happy. We were like in our love bubble.
We you know, the other contributors cars were saying, Oh,
you guys are so boring. You look so good together,
you're so you work so well, Like, you guys are amazing,
you really have bonded. You're boring, You're boring, and so obviously,
I personally think that those words got in his mind.
(29:19):
He was like, oh, we got to spice it up,
like no, like a relationship, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Literally, you know I didn't care. I was like, I
don't care if.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I don't get screen time, screen time, I don't care
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Not the center of the show. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm happy that I have found someone that I get
along with, that I live well with, and that.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Because you really like him, Yeah, I did tell you.
He even told my mom, like you know, you were like,
oh my god, like this is the guy, Like I'm
obsessed with him. I love him like you smitten and
I was him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Look, honestly, if he kept progressing that way and.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And yeah, you were like I would have fallen in
love with you.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And you know, they they definitely are that every day
in the Producers, and they probe you in a way
that like I want to extract that information out of you.
And I was like, guys, we're getting there. This is
already a fast paced environment, Like we've thrown ourselves into
living together so quickly. It's emotional, so many feelings, like
(30:18):
we live well together, we love similar things and have
similar interests. So yeah, the signs are there, absolutely, but
he really fucked it up.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
He did. He fucked it up.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And I and because we were living so well and
you're in a whole different world.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like it's very invasive. Yeah, but it's invasive. It's scary.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's as a normal person, you're not used to that life, right,
So I needed my partner there, Like I loved that
our arms were arm in arm. We would rock up
to the commitment ceremonies and dinner parties together like I
wanted that, and we got that. And then when I
remember there was one week where we went in separately.
That was that was so I was sweating, I was
(31:02):
freaking out, and I was so anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I was so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You know, you're sitting in those tents by yourself, like
it's it's lonely, it's a sense of loneliness, and like
everyone's talking about your relationship, not just the other cast members,
but the whole production and there's a lot of people.
He stuffed it up absolutely, and I still gave him
the benefit of the doubt because that's how I was raised.
Like my parents don't give up on one another. Not
(31:30):
saying that they do terrible things, but like my parents
are very like their their go getters. They you know,
that's how a marriage of forty seventy years is alive.
And so I just was like, let's keep working on this.
Is it a red flag?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Is this the beginning of something that could be so terrible?
But you know, he showed so much remorse. It was
very evident on and off camera.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Like you didn't know what to believe you.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I was stuck in this world and I was like,
who do I trust?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Like I do I trust him? Yeah? I was going
over those those emotions. Yeah, so I feel like no
one knows this because it wasn't caught on camera, and like,
obviously this happened on a Sunday, you were drinking, you know, Like,
so no one actually knows how it actually happened. Like
were you in the same room. Did it happen when
you when you were in bed and he was in
(32:24):
a different room, Like these are all, you know, important
pieces of information that we need to know, So like,
how did it actually happen?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I came back from macus, had his food, comes into
the apartment. We're having that conversation and I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Was the conversation about if you can remember.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah. He was like, you know, I'm embarrassed. He just
kept saying it was embarrassed that I openly said that. So, yeah,
we had you know, I remember him pacing in the
apartment and then I was just kept saying sorry, sorry, sorry, And.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Did you feel uncomfortable, Like did you feel in yourself
that your anxiety was going through the roof or like
did you feel uncomfortable? Not uncomfortable, not uncomfortable. It wasn't
like any It wasn't I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, but it was like us having a fight, that's all.
It was like us having a fight. And I was like,
but you know, you openly said on national television in
front of the cameras, miked up everything that you had
said to swingers, and you did swingers with your ex fiance.
So I was like, I didn't think it was a
bad thing.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That was my past.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That's what I did back in the day, like I
experienced it. I lived in America, Like, you know, I
didn't think anything of it. You know, I don't speak
to the person. I'm not, you know, it was just
it just happened, and I yeah, And I was like,
I shouldn't have said it anyway. He just kept saying,
but but you you were saying this, but there's a butt,
there's a butt, And I was like, what do you
mean there's a but I'm saying, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I just apologized it. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And then I said, but you openly said that you
did swingers. So where's theaposition between this.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like what is okay and what's not okay?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So you're allowed to do that. I just have to
deal with it. I just have to accept it. But
then when I said something about my past sex life,
you have a massive blow up right anyway, So then
he's like, nap, no, I need more space. I need space.
And I said, okay, well I'm going to bed.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And I was like.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You figure it out kind of thing, like I was like,
I'm going to bed. So I went to bed.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
He was on your like anxiously.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, of course I'm I'm like an anxious goal. So
I wasn't comfortable in that sense where I was like, oh,
I'm not going to sleep tonight kind of thing. And
we have filming tomorrow on Monday, and then it's not
resolved and we're going to be angry at one another,
like oh my god. So I was anxious from like
a production point of view, how is this going to go?
And then how SAP obviously got involved, didn't they because
(34:50):
they could hear us arguing. So then Alisair from how
SAPE comes in and he's like, are you guys okay?
And this is like while I'm trying to go to bed,
and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I was like this is crazy, like this is just
blowing up.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And I was like I don't know what to do, Alisa,
and Paul was angry, So Alice was like, Paul, just
go for another walk and then come back when you're ready,
and I was like, what the hell? So I was
back in the apartment. So then anyway, maybe fifteen minutes
had passed, and then Paul comes back and he goes
on the balcony and we again try and disclose everything
(35:27):
and try and you know, smooth it over. And I'm
still not happy. He had like he was like he
had steams coming out of his head and he was
angry and pacing and breathing heavily, and so I was like,
let's just go to bed. I was like, let's go
to bed, right, And so we're laying in bed and
I could hear him panting, and I.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Was like, what is going on? Like he could he
was so recomfortable.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And angry, and he was like breathing heavily, and I
was like, I look over and I was like, what
is going on? I was like, are you okay? And
he was like, no, I'm not okay. And I was like,
but what do you mean. I was like, I'm trying.
I was like, I was like, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I was like, I'm getting nervous.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I was I get it, and I was like, this
is crazy. I was like, come on, Paul, like I've apologized,
I understand now it's not okay anyway, And I was
like and then I got angry. I was like, that's it.
I'm going to bed. I was like, I'm going to bed.
So then I turn over. Then oh my goodness. Then
I remember he got up. That was it for him.
Once I turned over, and I was like, no, I'm
going to bed. He got up and he goes bang bang,
(36:29):
and I was like, holy shit. I was like, Okay,
this is now gotten so much more serious, Like the
whole production team's going to get involved.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And how did you feel like what we were? What
were thought? I was freaking out. I was like, what
the hell?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
How did it get to that point to this? From
that comment to this situation? And I was I was,
I was like, wait, like what I was like from
a relationship point of view, from a production point of view,
from a show point of.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
View, like how did it?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like? I did not see that coming, Like there was
so much drama with the other relationships on that show.
Ours was easy, breezy Japanese when I tell you, until that,
we were so happy and we were boring essentially, And
I was like, what the hell Man, like how why
why do you have to think that drama needs to
happen in our relationship to get screen time. Then it
(37:28):
made me think. I was like, is this guy doing
this or for a show? Does he actually care about?
Oh my god, it backfired from what he was thinking.
I was like already questioned does this guy have brains?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
After it? But even to go on the camera and
talk about swingers, like.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
You're trying about crazy, there's things that you tell me
like you don't have to bring those types of things up.
And I just remember how apologetic I was, and like
I felt bad and I felt guilty about saying that comment.
And then you know, everyone was giving me that reassurance,
like Ree was like Karna, like, you know, I, it's
(38:06):
not that deep. It wasn't It was a comment. We
were in Toxica.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
We had such a good day.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
So he didn't show me any bad behavior signs or
any you know, behavior signs of domestic violence at all.
So and like that it would just happen so out
of the blue. I don't know if that's an indicator
of domestic violence. That's something one hundred percent we're going
(38:31):
to touch on in the upcoming episode's Jacob, because this
is a very serious.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Topic male and female.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, and also, you know, I want to learn so
I can identify the early stages in a new relationship
in my next in my next dating partner.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I think it's like such an important thing to talk about.
I was listening to the radio on the way here,
and you know, it was a segment about I think
there was like six hundred cases of domestic violence this week, Yeah,
something like that. It was I don't know the numbers,
so don't I don't know the stats in the numbers,
but like it was crazy, and I was just listening
(39:12):
to it and I was like, you know, first of all,
I'm really lucky that I have never been a part
of a domestic violent situation, but it happens. And I think,
you know, people that are probably listening to this right
now have gone through domestic violence or are going through it,
and they need to hear it, you know. So I
think it's a really important topic to bring up and
(39:33):
have someone speak about it because we can potentially help
people on the other side.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think also obviously watching that back with everyone else,
all the viewers of the show, I one hundred percent no,
I let down so many women and people that have
been involved in domestic violence or are victims of domestic violence.
Whereas while it was happening, I was processing everything and
(40:02):
I didn't know what was happening. I thought he was
coming from a place of having to create this storyline
for a television show and for.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Four Yeah, you just didn't know what was going on.
You were like, you know, okay, cool, Yeah, you just
and it was it was scary. Yeah, it's you feel
like you let a lot of people down.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And obviously like hearing people's stories. I've had so many
women message me and even in person come up to
me and say like their story and what they've gone
through and showing me photo evidence of their experience in
their relationship and when they left that relationship. So yeah,
(40:47):
that's a very crazy experience that I went through and
I didn't even know it. So yeah, these are things
that we definitely need to touch on.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
That was deep, that was really deep this and that's
what this podcast is. We're going to get deep, We're
going to be raw. We're showing everyone who we are
and what we think and you know, through what we've
been through an education. I feel like we think we.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Need another shot where where's no Honestly, let's have some lollies.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Let's do that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So these oh I.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Need to tell you about sour cola bottles with coconut water.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Bally Lollies, lollies, so guys, I want to just vegan.
There are one hundred percent made in Australia. They are
full of antioxidants.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
While we consume the rest of these lollies. Stay tuned
for the next episode coming out very soon.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
See you guys next week.
Where do I look at the camera? Oh you look
(00:03):
down the barrel, straight down the barrel. Welcome to This
is Chaos, the first episode of our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
In this world. This is wild, this is really how
did we get here?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
First of all, before we even start doing that, I'm nervous.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Need I need a warm my hands. I'm sweaty. Do
you want me to read them for you? Can you
do palm readings? I need to see a psychic.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I have to chat GB to it. But I think
we do need to have a shot.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Did you get the shot glasses? No, I didn't get
the shot. We're drinking from the bottle exactly. It's going
to bring us back to Do you want to go first?
Because I don't know. I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Okay, I feel like I'm on school leavers crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know, every time I drink dealer, I actually gag
and vomit. So if I gag and vomit, I just
broke it. I'm not kidding. I broke it. Wait, fun,
can you put it back together? I'm not kidding. Fuck,
that was three hundred and eighty dollars. Oh God, thank you. Okay,
we'll come back. See it is broken. Look, this makes
(01:14):
me God, this is going to make me sick. That
me sad. I need a rEFInd. Should he not drink it?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And I'll go with it a new one. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Drink.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It is not even mid day anyway. Sorry, we haven't
even done the intro. This is chaos. And Jacob, you.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Have been honestly an angel from up above that came
my way. We met almost two years ago on Instagram.
I was following Jacob and I loved his craft. I
loved his social media presence and how he creates such
amazing hair. And I actually came here from my girlfriend Holly,
(01:59):
her and her her she was living here at so
I came here with to visit Holly, my girlfriend from Perth,
and she was living here she still is, and we
were going to an event at Crown Towers by Patron
and I was like, I need someone to do my hair.
So basically I reached out to Jacob. I looked on
his booking availability. There was nothing available for him to
(02:21):
do my hair, and I was like, damn it anyway,
so I just did my own hair that for that event.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Anyway, he couldn't do my hair.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
He was fully booked and I was just left it
as that, and then once I got casted for the show.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was such a quick transition period, right, I No,
not at all. Well I was doing at the time. Yeah,
I got the.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Call from the producers and I freaked out. When I
got the call, They're saying, the producer saying, we found
a match for you.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Do you accept it? Oh? I freaked out. When I cried.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I remember I was at work at our family business,
Beyond Tools, and my sisters and my mom were there,
and I I freaked out, and I was like, I
don't know what to do, Like is this the path
for me?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is this the right thing to do?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Because I was still mourning my past relationship, Like I
am I love it?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Am I ready?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And I wasn't sure if I was ready because I
was still mourning from my past relationship where I thought
I was going to marry my ex partner, and you know,
my life had all changed once we broke up. I
had to move back home to my parents' house. Hence
why I want to go into detail on another episode
about why on the show I was staying at my parents'
(03:32):
house and they filmed at my parents' house.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
There's a reason behind everything.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So I was freaking out and I cried and I said,
you know what, my sister said to me, Kreena, you
need to do this for your own self. You need
to do it. And I hadn't even watched the show ever,
but her and her husband, you know, they're ten years
older than me, big fans of the show.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
They've watched every.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Season, and she was like, you need to do this,
and I was like, well, I have nothing to lose.
I feel like I'm stuck. I feel like, like, you know,
I've started a business. This should be everyone's dream, but
I still didn't feel fulfilled. And basically as soon as
I signed the contract, they flew me out the next
week for the Hen's party, and that's where I messaged you,
(04:12):
so last minute, Like everything I do, I messaged you
and you were available and I couldn't tell you anything.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Remember that. It was actually weird because you were like,
come to my hair and then like I'm filming something
and I'm like, hold on. Usually when people reach out
to me, they give me a backstory of what I'm
doing hair for nothing. I could not yeah, and I
was there like I'm pretty sure. I was like, so like,
are you single, like and you're like m and I'm like,
(04:39):
I'm like, and I looked at your dress and I'm like,
she's too dressed up to be on like I don't know,
like a mass dinner party. I'm like, it's this is
not a Math's dinner party. And in my head, I'm like,
I know Maths is filming right now, but like I
don't think she's going into a dinner party because it's
like not that wild. And then I was I went
home and I was actually like, is she filming the Bachelorette?
Is she? I don't know what show this is? Like
(05:02):
you know, I was because I didn't disclose a show.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I just said, you just said it's for tvvs TV.
I was so scared about everything and like disobiding by
the rules and regulations because I signed the NDA and
youre shaking.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I can even like put in a video of you
like literally like not talking, and that's so not like
you now because.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Like I know, I feel like I have just like
grown so much since almost a year ago, and I
have just feel so confident in my own skin and
being in front of the counter I can see it, yeah,
and just dealing with people that I'm not familiar with,
and like interpersonal conversations has always been a big thing
for me, and I love that. I love learning people's
(05:45):
stories and having conversations. I like get good energy off
people and talking to people. But this was something so
different that what I was used to going to work
every day for my family business, working with my family.
I work with my sisters and my mom and my
brothers and our business manager who's been with us for
forty years. It was different because that was also familiar
(06:07):
to me. And then going into the whole production aspect
of filming a reality show with people I had never met,
people that we've worked in the industry for years.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I was like scary, Like did it feel scary? Kind
of taking that leap, because sometimes we feel scared, but
we kind of a push to take that leap, or
we think, oh, maybe I should just be comfortable. It
was so scary for me.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's why I confined in my sisters and my mum
had big conversations before I signed. It took me like
a week to actually sign the contract because I went
back and forth and then I sent it to our
I sent it to our solicitor. My family business solicitor
and she went through everything for me and they, obviously
(06:51):
the production Edimulshine recommend to send it to a lawyer,
the contract and make them go over it. So yeah,
it took me a good week signed the contract and
be like, what am I signing my life away for?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But I also went to a clairvoyant just before my
best we love we love clairvoyance, Like, yes, clairvoyance and
Psychic's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
No, I don't think that we should chat you bt. Yeah,
I think we need to get onto that. But I
love them.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, but so yeah, I think that's how our relationship blossomed.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Once.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I came back to Perth after the Hen's party because
that's what I was filming, but I couldn't tell you,
and I went all out. Remember the crystal dress.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That was my favorite look was iconic. Yeah, it was
statement piece. It's such a beautiful dress.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
A lot of people saying I looked like a walking Shandily,
but I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But that's kind of hot.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So then, yeah, I went back to Perth for literally
three days, and then I remember I got so sick
because the Hen's party was.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
On a rooftop bar. It was really that day.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It was freezing and I remember all us girls were
like shaking and our teeth were jittering. And then you
just see all the camera crew that was so over
much production, and you see them behind the cameras, the producers,
the audio. They were all in massive like jackets and
you know, the real big puffer jackets. They were all
(08:13):
rugged up. And then you got the fire flames and
hears us girls were in like tiny dresses, high heels,
filming for a couple of hours and we were freezing.
I got sick from that night, and yeah, it sucked.
But and then it's flying back to Perth. It felt
like going to the other side of Australia, which it was,
but going to over East it felt like going overseas.
(08:34):
It was wild. And then the time difference anyway. So
then they flew me back to Sydney with my family
for the wedding and then I asked you to do
my mum and my sisters and my sister in laws.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think I made that moment at that moment I
hooked on and I was like, okay, so I'm like
I called Vincent that day because obviously Michael wasn't available yeah,
and I'm like, Okay, Vincent, I'm like, we're doing something.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Person is the makeup artist by the way, that worked
on Maps stuff all season.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And he did such an amazing job too, such a
beautiful job. The makeup he comes out with is just
I mean, I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Very innovative, creative.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's so hg and so yeah, so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
The podcast is going to be all about fashion, beauty, lifestyle,
everything that happens behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, well, like we just we nearly got canceled last week, so.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I know week fashion Week canceled us.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Almost almost canceled us. Yeah, it was fashion Week. Let's
let's touch on fashion Week.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I feel like now, being in the public eye, it's wild.
What I post on social media or how I dress.
People are either saying, oh, you look like Kim Kardashian,
the team Kim Kim Kardashian or Kmar Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You are vain.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Because you post selfees you dress to show your body
off like you're a religious girl.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
The negative comments are endless, and it's you know, you.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Can never do anything right basically, so what does.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The public want me to do? What honestly, like, what
do they want me?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't think there's anything you can do. I think
it's just being yourself and that's all you can really be.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, I've always and I've tried to shut down comments,
but I also have tried to be the bigger person
and just let the negative do the talking and me
just keep going with my day to day job.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And Hi, it's very difficult because it takes a toll
on you.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
If I go down the spiral effect of reading negative comments,
my mental health like it's crazy, and my personality just
shuts off and I go into my shell and all
I want to do is curl up in a ball.
And it's quite scary how detrimental this can be on
anyone's mental health, not just mine, not just yours. It's
(10:54):
the work that you do, the creativity of the of
your job.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Like we get slaughtered. But again that and we did.
We did the other day, and I definitely went through
a spiral. I was like, holy shit, And you know what,
I've never been through anything like that before.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You had to speak to your business mentor.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I actually I actually got counseled. I did my first
ever counseling session because I was like, I actually can't
take it, Like what do I do in this situation?
It was scary. It was, you know, listening to all
the comments, getting DMS from people telling me that I'm shit,
telling me that I'm shit at my job. Like I
just I was like everything that I worked hard for
is going to shit. Yeah, And I'm like, holy crap,
(11:33):
this is this is wild. And I can just imagine
how you feel because obviously you were attacked and that's
even worse. You know, you obviously read these comments on
people's pages every day and it is such a It
is a really big topic that I feel like we
need to speak about because it's it's really emotional.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, and it's I think the biggest one as well,
Like I can get hit with all the negative comments
of you look like this, you're trying to be this,
be your own self.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, I get it, Like we always say it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So every woman that's ethnic European has long, dark hair,
voluptuous body like I'm curvy, it looks like Kim Kardashian.
I just dress the way I dress, and I do
radiate towards more of a style because I have a
similar body frame, and I think that my style works
best with similar things.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That she wears.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But I think the scariest thing, the most detrimental thing
for my personal mental health.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is that I've worked so hard.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
On training, eating well, always exercising for both physical and mental.
And you know, I used to be different looking when
I was younger, you know, and exactly and like, yeah,
I grew up being a tomboy and playing loads of
sports and soccer was my biggest thing that I love
(12:54):
to play.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But I went through emotion.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, I went through emotional time when things were tough
or I didn't like school, I didn't like UNI, so
I would eat.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm a walk I'm Italian.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
There's food literally presented on a platter like the Croatians, right,
and you over indulge, but.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Then had to the cupboards when I was little.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, it's wild, like the physical side, and I'm not
genetically gifted, that's very evident. I have to train hard, right,
I'm not a tall Victoria's Secret model.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I am who I am.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But yes, I have to work very hard for a
fit and healthy body. But I do love a fit
and healthy lifestyle. And I think when I was younger,
I did be a little bit on the heavier side,
and that all stemmed Like everything that's coming out now
is like giving me triggers and trauma flashbacks from when I.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Was getting bullied, essentially being.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
A bit bigger or you know, so these comments people
are saying, or a few people are saying that you
know you're on the biggest side. How are you even
wearing those types of things? And I'm like what I
was like, all my heart work, it triggers, and I'm like, okay,
so what is it? Is it that you as a human,
(14:13):
not you specifically, but this person is projecting their own insecurities.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Or like their I've never and I can cross my
heart like I've never gone on someone's page and given
them hate. It's it's like disgusting.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
You project, you will get back. So if you're projecting negativity,
you're going to get negativity in your life, which makes
you so unfulfilled and so unhappy. So change it, change
the mind and change the thoughts and project positivity.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
If it's not your cup of tea, if you move on,
scroll on.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Exactly, keep scrolling, Get off my page because I'm getting
a lot of impressions right now, Get off and go
follow someone else. I feel like people are projecting, you know,
their insecurities or they.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Aren't achieving what they want to achieve.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Whether it's in their career sector, their relationship, their personal life,
their family life, and they're just super negative and not
achieving what they want to achieve. If you think that's
happening as a person in your own life, try and
see what I post and use it as like advice,
(15:20):
or get excited to try and do similar, or take
the leap of faith and do what you actually want
to do, like get out of your right, get out
of your life.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
How I think about it is, and it goes really deep,
is that you know, everyone's been brought up a different way,
everyone's been loved a different way from their parents. So
everyone everyone's gone through different situations and they are the
person that they are. You know, you can't change someone.
So obviously these people have gone through all of this
stuff in their life and everyone has their own story,
(15:53):
but you know they feel the need to hate where
personally me, I mean, I've been brought up with a
beautiful family that is so lovely and caring and I
love them to death, but like you know, I don't
know how to hate someone. Yeah, I don't know how
to actually how we gravitated so well. We're so similar
because that's us in a nutshell.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Like from a friendship, a stranger that I didn't know,
we met and we got along so well, and now
we're honestly like best friends. And you I speak so
highly of you, not only your work but as a friend.
And I can trust you because now coming into this
new world and being in another state, it's very scary.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's scary. It's a whole trust.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, And you really like bring me, bring me back
down to earth, and you get me grounded and I
can confine in you, and I know you're not going
to tell people, and you really give me amazing advice.
We literally were on FaceTime the other night for hours
just chatting about life and how I was currently feeling
and just real low energy and you gave me such
(16:56):
good life advice and really made me change my thought
patterns for the better and like looking at the bigger picture.
And same with you, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We tell each other everything. And it's like I think,
when you've got someone that you can use as your
anchor and you can tell and you know they give
you advice, it's a really good you know, way to think.
So obviously I wasn't there for the last day of
fashion week. Yeah, I wasn't there, busy working. I was working, Yes,
I need to But you ran into Paul. I actually
(17:28):
haven't spoken to you because we didn't speak over the weekend,
but especially because we were filming today. But what happened
with Paul?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, I didn't digest, so did I. So I had
no idea that he was going to be there. It
was the end of fashion week Friday. I'm with my
friends the owner of Charcoal Like Clothing, Jason, who lives
in Brisbane.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Because someone posted it and I was why, I no,
so you're click bait. Why is she with Paul? Like
what is happening?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So I went to the show with Angelina and my
cup hearties from Melbourne and we.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Were with a few other people and.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
He literally was there and he was wearing a burgundy brown.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I saw it. I was like, you copied. We did
not plan this. I have no I can show everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I've got no messages, i've got no miscalls, I've got
no calls from him. And he's like, yeah, he got
invited to the last show, and so he flew in
the night before, and then he flew back to Perth
on Saturday and I was like, wow, oh my god,
it's good to see you. I honestly think that he
just wanted to be included because he's like everyone French
(18:34):
and European, and look, it was nice and stuff. But
then we were out at carriage Works and that's where
everyone all the media press take your videos, your photos,
and I was, you know, with my group, ordering a
coffee and then he comes up to me and he's like, well,
paparazzi wants to take a photo.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And he was like, is that okay? And I was like,
I was like, and you know me, but you're such
a nice person and you would have said yes, yes,
of course I did. But I was in my head,
I'm like, that's what I'm thinking through, and I'm like,
she definitely said yes to a photo, and she is
with him because she's a nice person exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I was just talking to him as a friendly gesture
and like we were just conversing and when he flew
in and what he was doing, and when he was
leaving and he asked what shows I went to, and
he was like, you look so good, and we're just friends.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Like, and I was like, I cut my ham sure anyway.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So then you know, I was just being friendly to
him like I always am, and no amimosity whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like it didn't work out for a reason of.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Bad blood never and so yeah, they were like, can
we get a photo of your tune?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I was like, I was like, where's Jacob when I
need him?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So I look over and exactly and I was like,
what do I do?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
What I did?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
And I was like, okay, yeah, sure, I don't know
where those photos are going to go. And then some
person posted on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I saw it train it together, and I was like,
go one to Instagram and I was like, why is
she with Paul?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It was literally us conversing, that's all it was. We
are not dating, we are not back to.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Together article and it was like Karna and Paul trying
to work things out and I'm like, no, like I.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Said at the reunion on camera, Fernito, chapter closed and
that's sorry, guys, the best, the best. I hope he
finds the right girl for him. I will find my.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You'll find your prince charming. And that's the end of
that chapter. Yeah. On the topic of Paul, I mean
I put a questions box up last night on Instagram
to get answers from our viewers and because everyone wants
to know all these questions, and I just I'm like,
what do people actually want to know? Like I want
to bring value to our audience. Yeah, of course there
was a lot, a lot about Paul, Yeah, a lot
(20:49):
about Paul and and what happened that specific night, and
there was like stuff like it was Paul Good in
bed and I'm like, oh, oh, we we no were
for this.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So the night of the punching the door incident, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Because you know what, you didn't act like I actually
didn't know. I didn't tell you. No.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I definitely confined it in Holly because I.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Said to her it was something bigger than yeah, and
she was.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
In a relationship at the time, and I was like,
is this is this normal behavior? Is this something that
I'm am I missing something like is this a red flag?
And you know, she gave me her brutally honest opinion.
And I've been best friends with her since we were
both fifteen, So but I really I think I just
(21:42):
you know, I was shy, and I was I was
quite nervous to say something to anyone aside from her.
I didn't even tell my family. I didn't tell my mom.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Because it was a scary thing what just happened.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And also a yeah, and also I think a bit
of you know, shame and also judgment as well that
I was probably thinking about. And I just felt a
bit uncomfortable about the whole situation. But honestly, like that day,
it had nothing to do with production. It had nothing.
(22:15):
It did not need to come to light, it did
not need to come to air on the show. It
was him that brought it up. It actually happened on
a Sunday, our day off of filming.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
It was filming. Did not happen on cameras.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, so production give us an iPhone to use as
like a camp It was called like an iPhone cam
or something. So when we have our off days of filming,
we have to use the camera to film and so
content so then they can.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Add it in the season.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Or if we finished work on a Friday, if we
finished filming on a Friday, then something happens over the
weekend and we go back on Monday of filming and
we're angry at one another or you know, something's happened.
It needs to make sense so they can connect the
storylines of our relationship.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So anyway, Rejeff.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Myself and Paul I need to just take a minute
because this is full on. It is very a very
touchy subject for so many people, and.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I feel like you've never actually gone deep or toll
this story to anyone, and I'm hearing it for the
first time because I've actually never asked you.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So we were in the So we had an amazing
day on Sunday. The sun was shining in Sydney and
US four caught up off camera over the weekend where
you're not actually allowed to even converse or have conversations
or have the other contributors that's what they call us
cast members numbers, and so US for arranged to do
a double day and we started off in the city.
(23:43):
We just drank. We went to different bars like we
bar hop. Yeah, it was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We had the best day.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We drank so many cocktails and ate yummy food in
Sydney because you know, they were from Melbourne, we were
from per.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah. I was like, why exactly, Sunday session. Le's always
been live Sunday sash Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Anyway, so we had curfew at nine pm, right, because
every day you had a curfew, and we were like,
how are we going to do this? Do we get
separate ubers, Dere and Jeff get into the apartments a
bit earlier than us. We all ended up going in
the same uber and then the boys were like, okay,
we will you guys go first and then and then
we'll wait ten minutes and then we'll rock up to
(24:24):
how Sape on our level. So how Sape Little Rundown
are basically head of our apartment floor. They work for
edam all Shine, the production team, and they monitor us
twenty four to seven. So there's two of them, amazing
lovely people, but they do rotational work. I think there's
three actually, And yeah, they just always have to You
(24:46):
always have to message them. They will call you. They
will schedule your like your gym sessions. Anytime you need
to leave the apartments, if you want to even go
get a coffee, you have to tell you how Sape.
They get all your parcels, they plan everything, they said production,
your outfits you have to wear every day photos and
then they get the approval. Anyway, long story short, so
(25:07):
howse a P were calling us and messaging us. We
were in the uber well, just all having so much fun,
and we were quite intoxicated, and yeah, I've got videos
of our night in the uber, so much fun. Ree
and Jeff and myself and Paul will filming everything, and
we're playing cardpool karaoke and basically I put on a song,
(25:27):
so we're all taking turns.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I put on a song.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And it was one with Quavo in it, and so yeah,
I was like, ah haha, I slept with him like
it was just funny, stupid.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I don't know exactly green, Jeff didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Give a ship like they did not care. We all
laughed about it. Paul was like aha haa, like he
laughed as well.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So I was like, okay, cool. I like, I don't
know why I said it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I was drunk, we were all drunk. I probably shouldn't
have said it, but I said it anyway. So then
when we get back to the apartments, we say good
night to them, we say bye in text message, I think,
because we all had to go separately. And then I
get into the apartment and Paul was just like frustrated.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He was furious, he was upset.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You could see that he was pacing it to go
to the balcony, and I was like, Okay, this isn't normal. Something,
something's up. Something I said something that exactly bear in mind.
Bear in mind, you guys.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
When Paul and I were doing the Confessions week at
the beginning of the experiment, he openly said something crazy
on camera. I actually don't know what it was. You
haven't You've never told me this before.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
He openly admitted that he was into swingers with his
ex part what the fun wingers? Like, like, are you
for real? I was like, oh, tell me, have a
conversation with me. My god, I would never judge you.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
When you get to know someone, you shouldn't be judging them.
And I didn't. But I was like, oh, does your
sister and your family know about this? Like you've said
it on national television but it didn't go to air.
And then he told me all about his past dating life,
specific names of who he dated in Perth. Because Perth
is small, we know each other, everyone knows each other.
And I just let it go like it's it is
(27:22):
what it is. But so I thought the boundaries were okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It went there, your relationship went there. So then you
said I fucked a wrapp up.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. And
he just got so upset and he was so dramatic
about the whole situation. I was trying to suppress and
calming down, and I kept apologizing. Then he left to
go for a walk, right and spoke to how Sap.
He went and ordered his macas, got his food, fed
(27:52):
his big belly, and then I was messaging him being like,
are you okay. I'm so sorry? Are you coming back
to the apartments? I'm like getting nervous about it, and
and he was like he was upset, and I was like, shit,
he didn't offer if I wanted any food, and I
was like, this is a bit weird, but okay, I'm
so sorry. He comes back and he's still like just
(28:16):
not in a good space.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
What's going on? And I was trying to because I've
I had. But the thing was, your relationship went that
deep with that topic, Like that topic went there. Yeah,
So now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I didn't put that comment out there. I didn't actively
go on social media to be like I slept with
this rapper when I was living in America at the time. No,
I didn't bring it to light on the show. He
actually brought it up off camera that then had to
come on camera.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So then I could have.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Been swept under the absolutely could have just been demolished.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
So do you think he did it for dry drama?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Ship was going so well and it was a random
We were so happy. We were like in our love bubble.
We you know, the other contributors cars were saying, Oh,
you guys are so boring. You look so good together,
you're so you work so well, Like, you guys are amazing,
you really have bonded. You're boring, You're boring, and so obviously,
I personally think that those words got in his mind.
(29:19):
He was like, oh, we got to spice it up,
like no, like a relationship, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Literally, you know I didn't care. I was like, I
don't care if.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I don't get screen time, screen time, I don't care
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Not the center of the show. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm happy that I have found someone that I get
along with, that I live well with, and that.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Because you really like him, Yeah, I did tell you.
He even told my mom, like you know, you were like,
oh my god, like this is the guy, Like I'm
obsessed with him. I love him like you smitten and
I was him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Look, honestly, if he kept progressing that way and.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And yeah, you were like I would have fallen in
love with you.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And you know, they they definitely are that every day
in the Producers, and they probe you in a way
that like I want to extract that information out of you.
And I was like, guys, we're getting there. This is
already a fast paced environment, Like we've thrown ourselves into
living together so quickly. It's emotional, so many feelings, like
(30:18):
we live well together, we love similar things and have
similar interests. So yeah, the signs are there, absolutely, but
he really fucked it up.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
He did. He fucked it up.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And I and because we were living so well and
you're in a whole different world.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like it's very invasive. Yeah, but it's invasive. It's scary.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's as a normal person, you're not used to that life, right,
So I needed my partner there, Like I loved that
our arms were arm in arm. We would rock up
to the commitment ceremonies and dinner parties together like I
wanted that, and we got that. And then when I
remember there was one week where we went in separately.
That was that was so I was sweating, I was
(31:02):
freaking out, and I was so anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I was so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You know, you're sitting in those tents by yourself, like
it's it's lonely, it's a sense of loneliness, and like
everyone's talking about your relationship, not just the other cast members,
but the whole production and there's a lot of people.
He stuffed it up absolutely, and I still gave him
the benefit of the doubt because that's how I was raised.
Like my parents don't give up on one another. Not
(31:30):
saying that they do terrible things, but like my parents
are very like their their go getters. They you know,
that's how a marriage of forty seventy years is alive.
And so I just was like, let's keep working on this.
Is it a red flag?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Is this the beginning of something that could be so terrible?
But you know, he showed so much remorse. It was
very evident on and off camera.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Like you didn't know what to believe you.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I was stuck in this world and I was like,
who do I trust?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Like I do I trust him? Yeah? I was going
over those those emotions. Yeah, so I feel like no
one knows this because it wasn't caught on camera, and like,
obviously this happened on a Sunday, you were drinking, you know, Like,
so no one actually knows how it actually happened. Like
were you in the same room. Did it happen when
you when you were in bed and he was in
(32:24):
a different room, Like these are all, you know, important
pieces of information that we need to know, So like,
how did it actually happen?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I came back from macus, had his food, comes into
the apartment. We're having that conversation and I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Was the conversation about if you can remember.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah. He was like, you know, I'm embarrassed. He just
kept saying it was embarrassed that I openly said that. So, yeah,
we had you know, I remember him pacing in the
apartment and then I was just kept saying sorry, sorry, sorry, And.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Did you feel uncomfortable, Like did you feel in yourself
that your anxiety was going through the roof or like
did you feel uncomfortable? Not uncomfortable, not uncomfortable. It wasn't
like any It wasn't I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, but it was like us having a fight, that's all.
It was like us having a fight. And I was like,
but you know, you openly said on national television in
front of the cameras, miked up everything that you had
said to swingers, and you did swingers with your ex fiance.
So I was like, I didn't think it was a
bad thing.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That was my past.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
That's what I did back in the day, like I
experienced it. I lived in America, Like, you know, I
didn't think anything of it. You know, I don't speak
to the person. I'm not, you know, it was just
it just happened, and I yeah, And I was like,
I shouldn't have said it anyway. He just kept saying,
but but you you were saying this, but there's a butt,
there's a butt, And I was like, what do you
mean there's a but I'm saying, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I just apologized it. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And then I said, but you openly said that you
did swingers. So where's theaposition between this.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Like what is okay and what's not okay?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So you're allowed to do that. I just have to
deal with it. I just have to accept it. But
then when I said something about my past sex life,
you have a massive blow up right anyway, So then
he's like, nap, no, I need more space. I need space.
And I said, okay, well I'm going to bed.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And I was like.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You figure it out kind of thing, like I was like,
I'm going to bed. So I went to bed.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
He was on your like anxiously.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, of course I'm I'm like an anxious goal. So
I wasn't comfortable in that sense where I was like, oh,
I'm not going to sleep tonight kind of thing. And
we have filming tomorrow on Monday, and then it's not
resolved and we're going to be angry at one another,
like oh my god. So I was anxious from like
a production point of view, how is this going to go?
And then how SAP obviously got involved, didn't they because
(34:50):
they could hear us arguing. So then Alisair from how
SAPE comes in and he's like, are you guys okay?
And this is like while I'm trying to go to bed,
and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I was like this is crazy, like this is just
blowing up.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And I was like I don't know what to do, Alisa,
and Paul was angry, So Alice was like, Paul, just
go for another walk and then come back when you're ready,
and I was like, what the hell? So I was
back in the apartment. So then anyway, maybe fifteen minutes
had passed, and then Paul comes back and he goes
on the balcony and we again try and disclose everything
(35:27):
and try and you know, smooth it over. And I'm
still not happy. He had like he was like he
had steams coming out of his head and he was
angry and pacing and breathing heavily, and so I was like,
let's just go to bed. I was like, let's go
to bed, right, And so we're laying in bed and
I could hear him panting, and I.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Was like, what is going on? Like he could he
was so recomfortable.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And angry, and he was like breathing heavily, and I
was like, I look over and I was like, what
is going on? I was like, are you okay? And
he was like, no, I'm not okay. And I was like,
but what do you mean. I was like, I'm trying.
I was like, I was like, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I was like, I'm getting nervous.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I was I get it, and I was like, this
is crazy. I was like, come on, Paul, like I've apologized,
I understand now it's not okay anyway, And I was
like and then I got angry. I was like, that's it.
I'm going to bed. I was like, I'm going to bed.
So then I turn over. Then oh my goodness. Then
I remember he got up. That was it for him.
Once I turned over, and I was like, no, I'm
going to bed. He got up and he goes bang bang,
(36:29):
and I was like, holy shit. I was like, Okay,
this is now gotten so much more serious, Like the
whole production team's going to get involved.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And how did you feel like what we were? What
were thought? I was freaking out. I was like, what
the hell?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
How did it get to that point to this? From
that comment to this situation? And I was I was,
I was like, wait, like what I was like from
a relationship point of view, from a production point of view,
from a show point of.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
View, like how did it?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like? I did not see that coming, Like there was
so much drama with the other relationships on that show.
Ours was easy, breezy Japanese when I tell you, until that,
we were so happy and we were boring essentially, And
I was like, what the hell Man, like how why
why do you have to think that drama needs to
happen in our relationship to get screen time. Then it
(37:28):
made me think. I was like, is this guy doing
this or for a show? Does he actually care about?
Oh my god, it backfired from what he was thinking.
I was like already questioned does this guy have brains?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
After it? But even to go on the camera and
talk about swingers, like.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
You're trying about crazy, there's things that you tell me
like you don't have to bring those types of things up.
And I just remember how apologetic I was, and like
I felt bad and I felt guilty about saying that comment.
And then you know, everyone was giving me that reassurance,
like Ree was like Karna, like, you know, I, it's
(38:06):
not that deep. It wasn't It was a comment. We
were in Toxica.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
We had such a good day.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
So he didn't show me any bad behavior signs or
any you know, behavior signs of domestic violence at all.
So and like that it would just happen so out
of the blue. I don't know if that's an indicator
of domestic violence. That's something one hundred percent we're going
(38:31):
to touch on in the upcoming episode's Jacob, because this
is a very serious.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Topic male and female.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, and also, you know, I want to learn so
I can identify the early stages in a new relationship
in my next in my next dating partner.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I think it's like such an important thing to talk about.
I was listening to the radio on the way here,
and you know, it was a segment about I think
there was like six hundred cases of domestic violence this week, Yeah,
something like that. It was I don't know the numbers,
so don't I don't know the stats in the numbers,
but like it was crazy, and I was just listening
(39:12):
to it and I was like, you know, first of all,
I'm really lucky that I have never been a part
of a domestic violent situation, but it happens. And I think,
you know, people that are probably listening to this right
now have gone through domestic violence or are going through it,
and they need to hear it, you know. So I
think it's a really important topic to bring up and
(39:33):
have someone speak about it because we can potentially help
people on the other side.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think also obviously watching that back with everyone else,
all the viewers of the show, I one hundred percent no,
I let down so many women and people that have
been involved in domestic violence or are victims of domestic violence.
Whereas while it was happening, I was processing everything and
(40:02):
I didn't know what was happening. I thought he was
coming from a place of having to create this storyline
for a television show and for.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Four Yeah, you just didn't know what was going on.
You were like, you know, okay, cool, Yeah, you just
and it was it was scary. Yeah, it's you feel
like you let a lot of people down.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And obviously like hearing people's stories. I've had so many
women message me and even in person come up to
me and say like their story and what they've gone
through and showing me photo evidence of their experience in
their relationship and when they left that relationship. So yeah,
(40:47):
that's a very crazy experience that I went through and
I didn't even know it. So yeah, these are things
that we definitely need to touch on.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
That was deep, that was really deep this and that's
what this podcast is. We're going to get deep, We're
going to be raw. We're showing everyone who we are
and what we think and you know, through what we've
been through an education. I feel like we think we.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Need another shot where where's no Honestly, let's have some lollies.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Let's do that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So these oh I.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Need to tell you about sour cola bottles with coconut water.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Bally Lollies, lollies, so guys, I want to just vegan.
There are one hundred percent made in Australia. They are
full of antioxidants.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
While we consume the rest of these lollies. Stay tuned
for the next episode coming out very soon.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
See you guys next week.
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