April 20, 2025 • 55 mins
Ben Tate may just be the biggest social media dad we’ve had on the pod. You probably know him as one-half of Ben and Zara, the father-daughter duo behind those viral lip-sync videos. However, behind the fun and fame lies a pretty wild story.
Ben grew up in the entertainment world, acting in ads and TV shows. He lived life on unpredictable schedules and short-term contracts. That was all fine... until the birth of his daughter Zara nearly nine years ago.
Her arrival came with a dramatic birth story and a major wake-up call, one that forced Ben to step away from something that was quietly pulling his life off course.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ash, question for you, fire away, big guy. Okay, I
would like to know how many followers you have on
social media? Honey you damn what do you got? You're
a total million? Million?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah? Million?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, that's pathetic. You're nothing. You're an embarrassment.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is words. Oh I need to hear I need
to hear this. I needed to hear this today. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Who has a lot more you got? Do you know
who does have a lot? Who's that man? A lot
more than us? Ben Tate from Ben and Zara. Yes,
they have millions of followers Matt and I just interrupted
really quickly. Two point nine million on Instagram and five
point two million on the tiktoks.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You might have seen them performing entertaining lip sync videos
of your favorite songs.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
They're really popping off, popping off, Ash, it's a vibe.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Vibes are high.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Welcome back to Nomen, where ViBe's are high.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Then his dad to Zara and has a youngest son
named Jordan. His beautiful wife is called Lisa.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
He's grown up acting in ads and TV, so his
life has always been at the mercy of contracts and
unusual schedules, which wasn't a problem up until Zara came
along almost nine years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I hear the story behind her birth is wild. Little
teaser for you there, little teas.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Zara's birth also served as a tipping point in Ben's
life when he realized he had to give up something
that was leading him down a path of self destruction.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh, another little teas for you there. Look at us
just edging the listeners this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Did you say edging?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's a great chart. I loved it. Let's get into it.
Welcome back to three doting dads. I am Mattie, Jay,
(01:58):
I'm Ash, and I'm Ben. This is a podcast all
about parenting. It is the good, it is the bad,
and relatable. Ben. We have to tell you that on
our podcast we don't give any advice. There is no
pressure whatsoever to give advice. If you have any advice,
we're sitting on topic and you go. I can add
advice to that. You're allowed to, But.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
If you don't want to, that's fine as well.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Also as should I start to give advice, it's your
responsibility to pull us up. Yeah, you had legal the
legal responsibility.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, anyway, that should keep the lawyers really happy.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, okay, we always like to start off with our
guest as a youngster. You know, we were talking before
and we found out where you grew up. Yes, punch Bowl, punch.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Bowl the first fifteen years, it did it seem far
too refined to be from punch Bowl. I'll look out.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Wow, yeah, let that upset them the resident to all
the boys too.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
One nine six.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I'm sorry, I'm joking. Just edit this out of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think it's been astute observation of Yes, yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It did get changed to Roselands in I think ninety
one or ninety two. It doesn't. Yes, well, no, they
cut part of punch Bowl. Yes, so I'm reluctant to
say Roselands because it doesn't sound as tough. But it
was Roselands from ninety one. I was there for the
first fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Was that like an obvious choice to kind of rebrand
like punch Bowls, like come here and we'll fucking punch out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It was obvious because there was Roselands shopping center, so
they went with that. But yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I'm reading between the lines.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And this is in no way trying to like paint
you and the people of punch Bowl and Roselands in
a certain way. Sure, were you someone who got in trouble?
Were you well behaved?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I was cheeky. I was cheeky, I was mischievous. Yeah,
I wasn't entirely well behaved.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But yeah, we can go into that later.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Let's go to it, right, do you recall the worst
thing you did at school? Let's just say, let's start
with that.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You can share that, you can share.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Whatever, you can share.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I once through a fire, you know those throwdowns? Yeah,
bummers once to a banger at a teacher while they're
on the.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Whiteboard, facing the whiteboard.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They were writing something on the white board. And I
want to say their real names, but Ronnie and Giovanni
said that on the counter. Three will all throw them?
Ronnie and Giovanni didn't shout out to you boys. I
didn't throw them. And it hit the whiteboard, and those
(05:04):
things are quite bomb went off.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And he dropped it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And he was a real like stern teacher. What dropped
his white board?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Because they're like a little like gunn how wrapped in
essentially like a cigarette roll?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, exactly, yea like a tally ho.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yes, and yeah, he dropped his marker and flew off
the handle and yeah, and I had to own up
to it after about ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Was he was? He like heh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, and he went not leaving until we find out.
And then the deputy principal came and.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Oh, Ship, how old are you at this point?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Fourteen?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I think formidable years.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yes, yes, yes, you've lived to sell the tail, so
that's yeah, that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We asked that question and we get you know, I wag.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
School no real like attempted violence, So that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did your parents find out?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah? I got suspended for that, Yes, in.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
The school suspension or actually at home suspension.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know, three days. I think it was hoday.
I don't understand suspension for boys like I was. It
was just your beauty.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
What we had to do when we got suspended at
school is we would have to work with the groundskeepers
and that and that was a good determine what school
was that again, it was Saint Peter's.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
There's a lot of great lands.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, came out and the groundskeepers were just they were grumpy.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah yeah MCG s CG. We bred them the gabba specifically.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Did you at this point did you have any taste
of drama in acting. Yes, did you do any drama?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But yeah, so I did my first commercial when I
was nine.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh what was it?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It was a Dimmy Books commercial hashtag not sponsored and
it was yeah, I was. It was a Christmas campaign
and then I did a few commercials from there. Child Yeah, no,
I star getting into that, but yeah, probably in my teens.
I was in soapie for a couple of years, which
(07:20):
one I was called breakers was said in Bondi that yes,
was said in Bondi. Aida Nicodemo and James Stewart were
to the notable.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
James Jewe went to the Grand Final with him.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, yes, yeah, Jimmy Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I was
on that for two years from seventeen to nineteen.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You got a real child star.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Can I ask, were you like a floating extra or
were you a bit of a.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Was I was full time?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
What was your characters?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Danny Simmons and he spoke like this and he I
was the son of the Central family. But yeah, I
never really told my mates before or I got that role.
I didn't tell anyone that I acted. It was a
bit of a punch bowl thing, I think, you know,
it was like it wasn't cool. It's a bit showy.
(08:11):
So I'd end up on commercials and the notable one
when I was eleven was a fish Fingers commercial. I
was called fish Fingers at school from it.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Was that's actually I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Called ash was called that for different reasons high school
years that would have been the nickname. So then we
apologize none.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Again.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But then he like they would have known, right, because.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Then end up on telling. People would say is that you?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, and then it looks like me.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
But sometimes given me I can build I hate from
Jesus right now, I'm sorry, Yez, I can't help.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
We'll clean this up. It's quite a big role, you know,
being on Breakers. Yes, even though you were reluctant to
tell everyone publicly, did you think this could be a
career for me?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Absolutely? It's what I always wanted to do. When I
was a kid. I wanted to act. Michael J. Fox
was my hero, back to the Future, all that sort
of stuff, and I, yeah, I did want to do it.
I really did. But when I got Breakers, I was
quite a wayward team and it was a little bit
like rewarding bad behavior. So really during that time, I was.
(09:45):
I took it for granted when I look back on it,
I was always at work on time and all that
sort of stuff. But I, yeah, it was so much fun,
but I really I didn't give it the respect.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You're also a teena, you're trying to enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Absolutely, but I was a cheeky kid, and yeah, but
it was a great lesson, really amazing lesson, particularly now
with Zara.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And then at what point did you meet your now wife?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Two thousand and eleven, I was thirty one. Yeah, that's
when I met Lisa.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Do you remember where it was?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Absolutely? It was the town Hall Hotel in Balmain, which
is no longer there. I used to work there and
I went there to see the manager or the owner
of the place at the time, and I walked in
and Lisa was sitting at the bar and her friends
were talking to a couple of guys behind her, and
she was sitting by herself.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I thought she was the prettiest woman I've ever seen. Yeah,
there's more to the story, I should I say it? Anyway,
So I worked there for six years and there was
an old like who had out a couple and he
was trying to tune trying to chatter up and I
(11:07):
was watching it. I was talking to a couple of
blokes and one of them said, and I should preface
this by saying I wasn't leering, but I just kept looked.
I kept looking at her and going, she's amazing. I
said to these guys. I said, to these guys, she's
she's incredible. And one of them said, you can't stop
looking at her, and I said, no, I can't. And
the old bloke was trying. He was making a laugh
(11:29):
and whatnot, and I could tell she was politely declining,
and so I went up bit the bullet. After about
half an hour, I went up and said she wasn't
being a cost of half an hour. But after about
five minutes, I walked up and said, sorry to interrupt,
is my dad annoying you? And she laughed and yeah,
(11:51):
he went we had to report. I was okay. And
then I said, if I get rid of him, will
you buy me a drink?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And she said maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And I went all right, And so then I said
to the old mate, come upstairs, let's go over a drink.
We went upstairs to the other bar. I bought him
a drink, and then my tail left about it, and
I've since thanked him. I went downstairs and I said,
(12:23):
this sounds cheesy, but I said, I believe someone knows
me a drink. Now I bought the drinks, but for
the record, yeah, but she was, yes, but she was.
She made me so nervous and she said something. So
the first thing was she started saying, she said, you're
not thirty one, You're too young for thirty one. So
I had to show my ID and then when I did,
(12:46):
she bounce. And my mom used to always say, ah,
you're pouting your photos. Why are you pouting your photos?
And yes, exactly, so I do a little. And the
first thing Lisa said when she looked, and she went, oh,
you're not lying, and she just do you pouty? And
(13:13):
then I started doing the most just knaf stuff I start.
I was living in an apartment overlooking the water at
Queenscliff at the time, like on the cliff face. So
I started showing and stuff like this is where I live,
like just so nervous and cringy, classic move yeah, And
she said, are you trying to trying to impress me?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
No, no, And I ended up leaning in and saying,
you're making me really nervous. Yeah, and I think you're
really cool. And we chatted and the rapport was that
the chemistry was there, and fortunately she called me back
the next day and yeah, we sort of hit the
ground running fair well. No, we took things slowly, but
we we were hanging out quite a bit for a
couple of months.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then that's a good story. Sometimes we get stories and.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I'm like, what you've given us?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
The brilliant was thirty one. Yes, I don't know if
many blokes I'm thinking about starting a family? When did
that thought process start to enter your mind?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That was the thing I was thinking. A couple of
months before that. I started thinking I really want to
meet the one.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And because of something happened or.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I just felt like everything else I was involved in
was like at a surface level and I was, you know,
I was dating, but it felt quite empty and I really.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wanted to connect with someone.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And I'd seen other mates that were meeting the one
and yeah, yes it was it was quiet. And I
actually after I met Lisa that night, I rang a
mate and said, I think I just.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Met my wife.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Wow, Now, like that isn't I don't think my family
will probably say, the King of bold statements. But at
that time it wasn't something I would ever say.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know what you had? You didn't throw that out previously.
It was it like a weekly text like.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
How I met your mother situation. It was just like
that's no, it was yeah, wow, powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it was powerful. It was really powerful.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And so at what point did you start to say, hey,
do you want to get pregnant?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So we got married in December. So we met July
twenty eleven, and we got married December twenty thirteen. And
we talked before we got married. We said Lisa said,
I'd love to start trying straight away and as soon
(15:44):
as we're married, and so yeah, that was pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And we love a birth story. Yes, okay, how was
it for you from when the waters broke when you
ended up in hospital? Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, So around two months before so we found out
least was due on the fourteenth of February, and I
two months before I went for an audition for the
lead in an international TV commercial. So we found out
that Lease was due with our firstborn on the fourteenth
of February, and two months before that, I went for
(16:20):
an audition for the lead in an international TV commercial.
And when you go for an audition, you sign a
thing where it says do you have conflicts for any
conflicts for the following dates, fourth, fifth, and sixth of February.
And I just thought, no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Because you don't want to make it sound that you're
difficult to work with or give any reason why you
shouldn't be picked. Right for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
But also I'm going to sound like a numpty. But
I didn't think that our baby would come early.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, right, yeah, And I just very.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Genuinely it was just like it's due on the fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, you think that's the day.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I did in that moment. And so
fourth of February rolls around. I need to be in
the Eastern Suburbs. Was living in the Northern Beaches. I
get up at three thirty in the morning. I have
to be there on set.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh you book the job. I booked.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sorry, I booked the job. Book the job, which is awesome,
new family, young family, all that sort of stuff. It
was a good earn. So I was stoked wake up
at three thirty in the morning on the fourth of
February to get ready to be on set. And I
think five quarter plus five or something, and Lisa's not
(17:36):
in the bed, and she's in the bathroom with the
door closed, which is within itself. And then I've gone,
you're all right, and she said, I think so my
water's broken yet, so open the door, super excited. And
then in the absolute moment you do not want to
(17:57):
make it about yourself, I've gone, holy shit, I've.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Got to go to this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because I've been in the industry since I was a kid,
I knew there could be legal ramifications if I don't
turn up. And you know TV, that's the thing. Time
is money. And it was an international thing, so all
these people had come over from overseas. It was like
it was a big thing. It was a massive thing.
(18:26):
So I said to a listener, this is what I'm
going to do. I'm going to call my sister Carlie.
Carli had actually helped a couple of people give birth.
She's a freak of nature, not a midwife, ot occupation.
Seriously love And I said, I call Carlie. She lived
(18:48):
ten minutes away. I'm going to get Carli to come.
She takes you to the hospital. I am not going
to miss this. I'm going to go there. I have
to front up. We could be in a lot of
trouble if I don't talk to them. I'm going to
front up up, tell them what the go is. But
I'm not going to miss it. I will make it.
I don't know how I'm going to do it, but
I'm going to do it. So my sister came all,
it's all good, it's all good, it's all good. The
(19:09):
guilt that I had was mate to this day. I
feel still feel a bit sick about it. Anyway, I
get to set and I spoke to the head of
production and they were livid, filthy are you? Oh? Yeah,
oh what can't of wait?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Just that?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, because I'd signed the thing and I hadn't told them,
it looked like I was pulling a swifty and I
absolutely wasn't. And I said, I'm so sorry, but I'm
not missing the birth of my first child. Yeah, you know, TV,
(19:51):
anyone's production, whether it be a TV commercial, it's the
most important thing in the world, totally for them, right,
And I get that, but I I couldn't do it.
So I threw everything into a tailspin and they said, look,
we're going to try and film well. Unfortunately, the first
assistant director had his wife had just given birth to
their first about three weeks before, so he was really
(20:14):
connected and in tune with okay, and he came up
to me and said, mate, I'm going to do everything
I can to get you out of here. Let's film
as much as we can. You stay in touch with
your sister, get updates, and we'll go from there. Let's
mind you. I had to speak to the camera, so
I was doing monologues and yeah, a whole bit.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So anyway, mine's a bit preoccupied.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, And so I'm sitting there, I'd say, if you
want to do and then and cut, and then I
look at my phone, Okay, we're okay at the moment,
and then in action and do it again. And I'll
never forget this lighting guy. He was an older bloke,
he had three kids, he knew the drill, and he goes,
(20:59):
I'm Ben, do you know how many centimeters dilated she is?
And now shout out to one of our hospital birth
in classes. I didn't listen to this, and I went,
I don't know. Then my sister pings me and says,
eight centimeters dilated. That's big, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We should know that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, I feel so much better having you guys say that.
So then I've said eight centimeters to old mate and
he goes, oh shit, and I was that close? Is it?
He said, that's close? And then the next text was
in capitals, she's coming when you were having a little girl.
(21:48):
So I've told set.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Because it's an eastern suburb of Sydney to Mona our
that's that could be an hour drive.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Peak out me. This is I think it was seven
o'clock by this time and seven am and they've gone,
go go, go, go, go go, You've got to come back,
just go. So I've ran barefoot, jumped in the car
and yeah, I'm not proud of this, but I did
speed and I got a spending time. I got a
(22:15):
spedding fine in the tunnel, which was later on retracted
because I proved everything, which was.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Quite that's pretty cool that, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Some people don't get away with it that day. I've
got someone that was so maybe they had the same
thing happened to them, but they were lovely, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So and I try. I'm on Pittwater Road and my
sister's going hurry up, hurry up, and a police I
was in the right lane and a police officer was
in the bus lane pulled over and I'm trying to
flag them. I'm beeping at them. He's looking at something
on his monitor in the middle of the car and
the one time I want to copy a look and
(23:00):
he did not flinch. Was I was beeping it because
I'm thinking or so doesn't flinch. So I'm in and
in and out of car.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
It's like one of the worst roads to be and
the potholes on that fucking round ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And so I'm using the bus lane doing everything I can.
I get to turn right into mine of our hospital,
and I'm beeping, flashing lights at the red light and
going I'm going I'm going complete melodramatic. I want to
be actor anyway. So I've done it. I've gone the
(23:37):
red ran in no shoes on making a complete scene.
Unbeknownst to me, my sister, my beautiful wife Lisa, and
the lovely lady mid the midwife were in the zone.
They were in a zen like state and I run.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
In and go.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And there you changed the mood, yeah, And they were
not that pleased.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
The midwife thought I was a jerk.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Because had I missed the first couple of hours I think. Anyway,
she the midwife goes slow down and Lisa and I
both looked at her and went, who are you talking to?
And she pointed square it means that you and I
went so held a hand, did the thing three pushes,
(24:26):
and little Zara Tate was born. How within minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So the speeding fine was worth it, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And you made it back? Do you make it back
to the shooter?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
See? That was that. It was so hard. We did
skinder skin all that stuff and then had to My
manager rang me and said, I'm so sorry, you need
to go back. And so I went back and yeah,
that was really hard. I ended up going back and
doing reshoots. Mate, so stressful, And that's really the main
(25:02):
reason I stayed for as long as I did was
because of that. And when I went back, people were
saying to me, you know, you you just didn't put
it down on the sheet because you wanted the money,
and guilty.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I did want the money, but I didn't think that different.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I genuinely just didn't think. Yeah, I was very foggy
at that stage in my life as well. It was
a funny time and yeah, it's that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Well, you made it, that's the main thing.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yes, Yeah, I've got to ask. I think last time
I checked Instagram wise, you're sitting on two point seven million. Yes,
I think, am I right?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Two point eight yes as of today, but you know
that could and was five point two am I won?
I think?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, they have some huge, crazy numbers. Yes, so I do.
Both of us have to say congratulations, thanks Matte. She's
really bloody impressive than you do. You remember the very
first viral video that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
We did, our first video was It wasn't as viral
as we've had since then, but it was the first
video sort of set us up. That was lip sync
we did during lockdown I Want It that Way by
the Backstreet Boys song. Yes, that's exact was it was.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
It wasn't the Brooklyn nine nine version, Was it like
the It was the actual Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
The actual thing, yes, and yeah we filmed it during lockdown.
Zara and I were filming a lot of stuff during lockdown,
and I never crossed my mind for it to go
that way. My brother had said to me about eighteen
months before I posted it. You know, there's you're doing
your thing and Zara doing her thing. There's there's a market.
(27:05):
I think people would love it. And I pooh poohed
the idea because I didn't really want to get Zara
involved in on camera and all that sort of stuff,
and it just all seemed a bit yeah, too hard basket.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So how many phollows would you have had before the
Backstreet Boys video? None?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, And then it went I think we got thirty
thousand off that video. And then we sort of went,
holy shit, you know this is this could have something here,
And I rang my family. I literally was in tears
on the phone and my brother because I was saying,
I don't know if I want to put Zara out.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
There and how old was she at the time, five.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And he and the rest of my family and Lisa
and my mom and my sister, we also talked about
it and said, as long as it remains fun and
you know she loves it, yeah, and only do what
you're comfortable with and what she's comfortable with, then go
for it. Be motivated by success, not for you all
(28:08):
that sort of stuff. And so we went for it,
but we didn't. We always we never really filmed a lot.
It was always something that we just we do two
or three videos a week at the start.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And with lockdown, I suppose there's all sorts of time
and then you would have been doing shit.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
School or just she was, but she was doing homeschool,
so you would to.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Help homeschooling all sorts of stuff with your videos. Now,
I mean it's been it's been a while since then,
and the following is quite big. Who comes up, who's
the creative inspiration?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Who is it? A bit of both or.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So Zara. We basically with music because a lot of
our stuff is music. But everything we do I vet
with Zara. So I'll say I'll show a song, do
you like it? She likes it or she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
And she's like, I don't really like the police. But
generally every.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Now and then she go, I don't know, I don't know,
but it would be fun. I can see what you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Any bands that she knocks back that you're.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
She knocked back, well, actually I don't know if she
has knocked back. She's knocked back a couple of heavy
metal ones.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
She's not a big heavy metal fan. Are you heavy
metal fan?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I like some Yeah, I like some Metallica. Yeah, she's
not big on Metallica. We actually did one disturbed get
Down with the Sickness, did that recently and that performed
really well and she loved that. She liked the hook
and all that sort of stuff, but she was like,
(29:47):
this is heavy, dad. But yeah, but as far as
inspiration goes, Zara will come up with stuff in the
moment and I'll just say you do this part, I'll
do that part. She likes all that direction. But she
really creates.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Whatever she does.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, it's amazing, and I can, I can, I can
imagine for her because we all sort of grew up
and then a lot of us didn't find it creative
outlet until there was a pandemic, Like I didn't do
any of this stuff before it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Started, And I was like, so for her now growing up.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
She's got this creative outlet already for sure, which is
just going to help her be more powerful when she
gets older.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Right, Yeah, we would hope. So that's what you know.
We're so fortunate with how it's been received and she
really wants to act, and there's been some amazing doors.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
That have opened.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, I think I can really talk about at the moment.
But she's she's doing a thing, and she's working at it,
and she's got an acting coach in La.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Let me speculate. What do we got. I feel like
jock boyl Yeah, feature film linked, feature film. I feel
like I haven't heard her sing. I feel like she
can sing. She can sing good dance. It's a musical.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's the musical.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
But if you get well, if she gets in a film, hypothetical,
are you like I wouldn't mind being in the film
as well.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
For sure. But I've come to yeah, of course the performer,
but I have definitely come to accept that she could
play the daughter of someone and.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
You know what, it was my son, I take him.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, she's she did. That took a little bit of
getting used to for her that I said to, uh,
you know this could it could turn out someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Not playing Brad Pitters.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, and she's gone, oh, the first time we talked
about it, oh, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
And now she's totally cool well with Marley because Marley
is now turning six, yes, very shortly, and there's been
moments where she's asked questions. There was one time when
she was on the back of a bus with Laura
and she was like.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
On a picture, just not hanging.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Hanging on left. She was like, Dad, am I am
I famous? And I was like, yeah, I want this
kid to have some level of resilience, you know, I
don't want her growing up. Yes, exactly. So I was like,
I was like, no, no, no, no, no, it's no big deal
(32:32):
that you're in the back of the bus. It's very normal,
need nothing to be proud of. Was like nothing.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Have you have you ever been on a bus before
her or she was on a bus before you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I was on a bus one time. Yes, many, many
many not me. Man, your time will come. Have there
been any moments when she was younger where she was
kind of like hang on a second, like, am I someone?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah? For sure?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
And how do you navigate that conversation?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So we tell her that it's part of the thing.
If you really want to do this, you're going to
get recognized. But that stuff's not important. It's not it's
nothing about your self worth or anything. That's not what
really is important that you kind you're down to earth.
This is just a it's a thing. It's not Fame
(33:21):
is a funny and weird thing. And people are going
to react, you know, they're going to give you a
lot of wow, you're so amazing, But really they're talking
about your gift, your gifted in and what your talent is.
They don't really know who you are underneath it. So
what's important is that you're kind to those people? You say, loo,
but yeah, I don't know. That's a long winded answer,
(33:42):
but it's it's I.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Think it's good. We think yes, solid I was. I
was with you for the journey on that one, but
I liked how you you were. You sort of you
separated it to who she is for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And that there there is a person under there, and
people are going to tell you how good you are,
but it's remembered for you to stay humble and be
kind and the show people actually how good you are
at being a person.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Sure, that's what I got from that for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thank you. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting
up because we did a we did a TikTok live
once and when you're allowed to have your kids on
her and the comments were, you're so beautiful, z are
You're so pretty, You're so great, you're so awesome, You're
this or that, and I got off and we made
(34:29):
a little bit of money in that time from that
one session, which and I just said to Lisa, we
can't do this again because if we do that again,
she her self worth is going to come from that.
And so that is in line with what you just said.
We really don't when people are telling her how she's amazing,
(34:52):
how amazing she is, that's what they're seeing online. That's
it's you know, that's not you don't get yourself.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
You're yeah, you're amazing in other ways I have seen
before absolutely, which I think like when you said that
you know that you're so beautiful, you know that that
could be so interpreted in so many different ways that
could be.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
That could be like your personality online is so beautiful
you as a person. So they don't know that. They
just see from face value, right sure.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, and it's just dangerous for kids. So yeah, Zara
has absolutely no access to anything like that.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
If she may or may not be in a film
coming up, can you promise us something, Yes, when you're
in Hollywood and you know you're walking the carpet of
the Oscars, can you just still remember us?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Do you know two other dads? We need three dads for.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
You with you mentioned youn.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
What's his what's what makes him tick?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Sport?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, love sports, love the Doggies at the moment, Yeah, Doggies.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He is all about the is his favorite player from
the Doggies.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Burton loves Matt Burton, kick out.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All the imports.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah yeah, all the parents. Yeah, he's forty, but all sports.
Just him and I will watch sports channels all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Anything we're watching. We're watching the other day archery, Yeah,
anything is playing sport. Yeah, he's playing soccer at the moment.
We registered him into the local footy team, but it
coincided with soccer, so we've said next year he can
play league, much to his mum's excite. It's been a
hard one but he's prepared to play without his mates
(36:45):
and so I said, shouldn't we honor that that he
really wants. He wants it, and so she's cool with that.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
She gets Yeah, that's got. He did union last year
and he did one training session. We sponsored the team too,
did one training session that he spent the rest of
the training sessions in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
He fell over once. Yeah football yeah, yeah, everything like
how old is on?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He's so obviously he's prime position for everything at school.
Who's the fastest? Is the best?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Ye? Yeah, yeah, he's he's quick. Oh yeah, yeah he's
really quick, and yeah he's yeah. But he has a
knack for performing as well. He's hilarious, but he just
doesn't really he's not super interested.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, okay, out of interest. What field does Lisa work in?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
So she was worked in insurance for a while, she's
worked in healthcare. She works in daycare at the moment,
just a couple of days here and there.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But all the performing ability has come from yourself, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
She actually is like a lot of the concepts. Lisa
will come up with a lot of the songs. We've
got an ongoing you've got absolutely got an ongoing argument
about who's got the most viral videos for concepts?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Wow, and who's winning at the moment.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's got to be. But yeah, she's incredible. We've unlocked
this and particularly for paid partnerships and whatnot, it takes
me three days to figure something out. Takes least three minutes.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
That's a skill. Yeah, I mean we do that all week, every.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Week, and I'm like, now I make this funny.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We spoke before ben about the fact that you're sober. Yes,
how how long has it been now?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Nine years? Nine and a bit?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, What led to the moment where you decided that
being sober was the most important thing for you?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I look, it had been a long journey of trying
to knowing that I shouldn't drink. You know, my mum
would say my late teens, she'd say, some people just
shouldn't drink, and you're one of them. And and meeting Lisa.
I went to rehab in twenty ten and I did
(39:07):
a nine week stint in there, and I got out
and I tried to curve. I tried to tried to
get above my drinking by just drinking light beers and
what they call control drinking. And I went okay for
a while, and things started going well in my career.
(39:28):
I was doing voiceovers at the time, and things were
doing well. And then I met my dream girl.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
And when you say control drinking, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Is that just I'll be careful because I'm not, like,
I'm not completely.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well versed in for yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
For me, it was light light beer, and it was
watching my portions and how off and I had it
and all that sort of thing. But what happened was
with the career and Lisa. On the surface, all looked
like everything was awesome. And what I've learned in my
recovery is that social acceptability doesn't equal recovery. It wasn't
(40:09):
being grounded and all that sort of stuff, And for me,
I ended up, you know, Lessa and I be out.
I'd have a light beer and she'd have her wine
or whatever, and then I'd go to the bar and
have a couple of shots without her knowing, and that
sort of progressed over time, and then you know, we
got married in twenty thirteen, and yeah, I blacked out
(40:35):
at my wedding towards the end of it, and I
said a couple of mean things to some really, you know,
some of the people I love the most in my life.
You know, two of my groomsmen out of three, my
sister in law, who was the nicest person you've ever met,
(40:55):
My cousin, And it was actually my cousin the next
day who rang me and told me I had no one,
and so we went on the honeymoon. I was just
filled with remorse, skill and regret. My brother six weeks later,
when he felt comfortable to talk to me again at
a family function, mind you, I had to be here
(41:16):
in my hand, and I was apologizing profusely to both
him and my sister in law. And my brother looked
at me and said, it's all right, mate. It will
never happen again, though, will it. And he gave me
this look like better yeah, And I went no, no, no, mate,
And I remember thinking as clear as day, I remember thinking,
(41:37):
I can't guarantee that that happened. But then a couple
couple of weeks later, I didn't come home when I
said i'd come home. I was blacked out. It was
not pretty. Lisa found me somewhere in the bushes, somewhere
textbook like what you'd see in a movie about alcoholic
(41:57):
and Lisa said, you need to clean up, and if
you don't, we're over. And this was after two months
of marriage. And so I went to my psychologist that
I was seeing at the time. I was seeing a
psychologist because I was just riddled with anxiety and all
the stuff. But I was constantly drinking and you know,
partying what I thought was partying to the party was
(42:19):
well over. And the psychologist referred me to a community
of like minded people and said you need to get
so and so yeah, that sort of started my journey. Yeah, wow,
it was the start of it.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Good on you for again being able to be in
a position where you could have gone either way.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Thank you. Look, it's taken a village. That absolutely has
and I still have a lot of support around that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
What's been the hardest do you think about staying on
the right track?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Look, mate, I grew up with older male role models
saying the phrase never trust a man.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
That doesn't drink.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Wow, you know, and that that is so ingrained, you know.
And I love to be love the taste of it,
to be a kind ofseur, you know, like I was
all over it, and you know, the social aspect of
it was the hardest part for the first couple of years.
And my mates, like I love my mates, but it
(43:28):
was the only way I knew how to connect with
anyone was with you know, a skinful and I used
it for everything, you know, when I was happy, when
I was sad, when I was angry, and so having
to feel things was brand new. I've been drinking for
twenty one years most days, particularly in the last ten years,
(43:50):
and yeah, that was really hard.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
This new life.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
And then Zara was born, and I was nine months
sober when she was born, and you know, early recovery
for a lot of people, who I should speak for myself,
it was tough, like it was because it was my
identity was wrapped up in that I was the party boy,
you know. But it was clear to everyone close to
(44:17):
me that I was really sick. You know, I had
yellow I was yellow as I had pancrea titus. At
times I'd have to go to hospital. I don't if
you know anything about pankory titans, he's the gnarliest thing
and it's one of the common causes of alcoholism.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
And yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Just so many things would happen. I'd been hit by cars,
I'd hit the whole lot and you know, and I'd
burned bridges. I'd hurt so many people. Yeah, it was
I relapsed at when Zara was nine months old for
one night because I found it really hard to let
(44:56):
go of the old relationships. And I did don't necessarily
have to let go of those relationships, but I shouldn't.
You know, you sit in the barber's chair long enough,
you're going to get a haircut. And I was going
to things that, you know, I was still hanging out
with the boys while there was drink involved, and it
was too early for me to be doing that. I
needed to get more time up, and it wasn't there.
(45:17):
I'm not blaming the.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Boys at all.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It was I really mourned. I grieved not being around
my mates and doing all that sort of stuff. But
it was really clear within a couple of beers that
night that the party was over, which had me going
even harder because it's like, oh shit, I shouldn't be
doing this bang, and I'll never forget. I went home
(45:42):
and Sarah was Yeah, she was nine months old, and
she pulled herself up to the couch and looked at
me with those pure and yeah, I was done. That
was yeah, I knew, but I knew I needed to
thrown myself into my recovery and and so I did.
(46:05):
And I've been helped by so many strong men and
women that are like minded and have been through the
same thing. And you know, my thing today is trying
to help others because I've learned and I'm learning that
I only keep what I have by giving it away,
and so, you know, but every day I get to
(46:27):
help someone that's helping me. Yeah, you know, and and yeah,
there's a there's a community out there of so many
amazing people that have got incredible stories that have turned
their lives around.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
And yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
What they've given to me freely has helped me and
my family exponentially.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, congratulations on nine and a half years.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Thanks, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That's you know, listening to that story, it's like there's
you know, and you said the party is over, and
it's like, fucked it, Like just that thought, you know,
like especially being a young man and growing up and
doing your career, having a family, and then you think about,
you know, your boys you grew up with, and it's
really hard to find when the party's over for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
But I would say the party isn't it. I've never
had so.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Much fun in my freaking life. Wow lack.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
But I didn't think that was possible without a dream.
My first two years, i'd hear people say, oh love sobriety,
I love my recovery. I don't think bullshit, how can you?
And now, like I've got a crew of guys that
we laugh our asses off and we watched the foot
of the UFC. We go away, we do all sorts
(47:44):
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Out of interest. Are they the same mates that you
used to hang out with before or have you had
to get new friends.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I've still in contact with a lot of those guys,
not all of them, but I am in contact with
their few of them that I really grew up. But
there's there's a whole new crew. But my oldest mate
who's like my brother, I've been friends with him since
I was four. We grew up around the corner from
each other in punchy. He he's ninety one day sober today.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, and that's like one of the just fills me up.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, it's so powerful, it's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
It's beautiful. There are so many people out there who
don't even begin to go on that journey to recovery.
So the fact that you've done it and you've stuck
to it, and you also then positively impacted those around
you to echo what Ash said, Congratulations, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Thank you man, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
There's it's it is everything good I have in my
life other than from Lisa and you know, my two
beautiful kids. And am I gotta throw my mum in
there because she's she's been through it all, yeah, you know,
and it's it's I wouldn't have it if I didn't
(49:05):
have recovery. Really, I know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be
able to do what we do. I wouldn't be able
to connect with the kids the way I do. And look,
I've got to double down. I've got to say that
I know plenty of dads that drink and are amazing fathers,
and they enjoy a drink and they're amazing dads. For me,
the way I drink, it ain't possible, you know, and
(49:29):
lucky bastards. I still I look at them and go, yeah, man,
if I could, I would, but it's it's just not
the case. They know when to pull up and put
the family first and all that sort of stuff, and
I don't.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah, there's this sort of same where it's like you
can't have love and addiction at the same time. You
got to either drop the things you love and keep
the addiction or take the love and drop the addiction.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Really, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I don't think I've heard it put like that, but
I do.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I do agree.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
It's super powerful.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
And like I said, you're telling us a story is
going to people going to listen to that and resonate
or find something from that that gives them the strength
to maybe turn around and look at their habits and
their drinking and their addictions. So we appreciate you sort
of giving us that whole story.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, thanks, I don't look.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
It was I haven't spoken about it before, but I
know that knowing people like particularly in entertainment, actors and
whatnot that had talked about it a bit that helped me. Man,
it did inspire me, you know, athletes and whatnot, and
so yeah, I would you know, one of my mentors
(50:41):
said to me, it'd be great for you to talk
about it because you could help. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think especially if you're someone like yourself where you're
the only friend in that circle who's not drinking. It's
so isolating, feels like you're the only one. So to
know that someone else is doing it alongside and doing
it successfully, Yeah, it has a huge impact.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Sure for me that it's been a bloody good chat
has been you are. I'm sure there's no surprise. You're
a very good storyteller.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Matt gives one last question, which I think is appropriate.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
When your kids are grown up, and unfortunately there may
be the time. Maybe not. Maybe they'll live with you forever.
But if there does come a time where they fly
away from the nest, they're no longer living under the
one roof with you. What's the one thing you would
want them to remember about the house they grew up in.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Just freedom, that sounds enough. Just silliness, you know, silliness, love, warmth, safe, safety,
you know, and just freedom to be whatever they want.
You know, that's really really important to me and Lisa.
(51:55):
And yeah, just the laughter. Man, we laugh every day.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
I'm sure you got.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
There is nothing like that laughter, the cuddles, and I
know that the cuddle is going to stop. I'm already
fearful of that, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
I was. I was watching this scene from Peter Pan
where the Robin Williams the mum was saying, they'll come
a time where they no longer want to play with you.
And so when they and you're like.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Sh it's funny, like as dads and we all get
together and we sort of vent to each other as
well about the things they're doing. But then you're like,
there's going to be a time where they're not going
to do that stupid thing in front of you again, And.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
You're like, stupid thing.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
So I think your your answer there with freedom is
someone we haven't had, I don't think, which is amazing
because I can imagine, you know, even our generation, the
previous generation, there wasn't probably a lot of freedom to
be who you want to be all the time. So
I think spreading that message for the next generation to be,
to do and feel and act and be who they
(53:01):
want to be is such an important mass.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Be sure. Look, I don't want it to make it
sound like the you know, the kids run the house.
They do, but it's but there is, there's still boundaries
and all that kind of stuff, But it's just freedom
to be themselves.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Are the sillier they are, the more comfortable they are. Yeah,
that's very true.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah. When yeah, yeah, when actually comes home and he's loopy,
it's because he feels safe there, absolutely, And when he's
a bit shy outside.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
And we're out with other people, you know that he's
yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
And I appreciate you coming on today and thank against
that array of different stories and it was amazing and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Thanks, I really appreciate When can we When will there
be an update on what feature films can we give
any like one month, two months, six months.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Hopefully there's there's a couple of things we're working on. Wow, yeah,
so there could be. Yeah, there could be some news
in the next couple of months.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
We will keep waiting with breath.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yes, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Thank you on the back of it.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
There's always more to destroy. That line where he said
you should never trust and man that doesn't dream and
that bit hard. That's like as a kid growing up,
that was a narrative that I was told all the time.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
You have that or never trust anyone.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Mad.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
It's absolutely crazy that a generation before us were brought
up thinking that it was not cool.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
It also makes you realize how careful you need to
be when speaking from your kids. A little sponges. But
if you or someone you know is struggling with alcohol
or any other addictions, should, for that matter, make sure
you check out the show notes that your list of
really helpful with will you there? And if you've enjoyed
this episode ash, where should you Go?
Speaker 3 (55:04):
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Speaker 4 (55:34):
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people's today
Ash, question for you, fire away, big guy. Okay, I
would like to know how many followers you have on
social media? Honey you damn what do you got? You're
a total million? Million?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah? Million?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, that's pathetic. You're nothing. You're an embarrassment.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
This is words. Oh I need to hear I need
to hear this. I needed to hear this today. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Who has a lot more you got? Do you know
who does have a lot? Who's that man? A lot
more than us? Ben Tate from Ben and Zara. Yes,
they have millions of followers Matt and I just interrupted
really quickly. Two point nine million on Instagram and five
point two million on the tiktoks.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You might have seen them performing entertaining lip sync videos
of your favorite songs.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
They're really popping off, popping off, Ash, it's a vibe.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Vibes are high.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Welcome back to Nomen, where ViBe's are high.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Then his dad to Zara and has a youngest son
named Jordan. His beautiful wife is called Lisa.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
He's grown up acting in ads and TV, so his
life has always been at the mercy of contracts and
unusual schedules, which wasn't a problem up until Zara came
along almost nine years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I hear the story behind her birth is wild. Little
teaser for you there, little teas.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Zara's birth also served as a tipping point in Ben's
life when he realized he had to give up something
that was leading him down a path of self destruction.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh, another little teas for you there. Look at us
just edging the listeners this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Did you say edging?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's a great chart. I loved it. Let's get into it.
Welcome back to three doting dads. I am Mattie, Jay,
(01:58):
I'm Ash, and I'm Ben. This is a podcast all
about parenting. It is the good, it is the bad,
and relatable. Ben. We have to tell you that on
our podcast we don't give any advice. There is no
pressure whatsoever to give advice. If you have any advice,
we're sitting on topic and you go. I can add
advice to that. You're allowed to, But.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
If you don't want to, that's fine as well.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Also as should I start to give advice, it's your
responsibility to pull us up. Yeah, you had legal the
legal responsibility.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, anyway, that should keep the lawyers really happy.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, okay, we always like to start off with our
guest as a youngster. You know, we were talking before
and we found out where you grew up. Yes, punch Bowl, punch.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Bowl the first fifteen years, it did it seem far
too refined to be from punch Bowl. I'll look out.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Wow, yeah, let that upset them the resident to all
the boys too.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
One nine six.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I'm sorry, I'm joking. Just edit this out of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think it's been astute observation of Yes, yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It did get changed to Roselands in I think ninety
one or ninety two. It doesn't. Yes, well, no, they
cut part of punch Bowl. Yes, so I'm reluctant to
say Roselands because it doesn't sound as tough. But it
was Roselands from ninety one. I was there for the
first fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Was that like an obvious choice to kind of rebrand
like punch Bowls, like come here and we'll fucking punch out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It was obvious because there was Roselands shopping center, so
they went with that. But yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I'm reading between the lines.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And this is in no way trying to like paint
you and the people of punch Bowl and Roselands in
a certain way. Sure, were you someone who got in trouble?
Were you well behaved?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I was cheeky. I was cheeky, I was mischievous. Yeah,
I wasn't entirely well behaved.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
But yeah, we can go into that later.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Let's go to it, right, do you recall the worst
thing you did at school? Let's just say, let's start
with that.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You can share that, you can share.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Whatever, you can share.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I once through a fire, you know those throwdowns? Yeah,
bummers once to a banger at a teacher while they're
on the.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Whiteboard, facing the whiteboard.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They were writing something on the white board. And I
want to say their real names, but Ronnie and Giovanni
said that on the counter. Three will all throw them?
Ronnie and Giovanni didn't shout out to you boys. I
didn't throw them. And it hit the whiteboard, and those
(05:04):
things are quite bomb went off.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And he dropped it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And he was a real like stern teacher. What dropped
his white board?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Because they're like a little like gunn how wrapped in
essentially like a cigarette roll?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, exactly, yea like a tally ho.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yes, and yeah, he dropped his marker and flew off
the handle and yeah, and I had to own up
to it after about ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Was he was? He like heh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, and he went not leaving until we find out.
And then the deputy principal came and.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Oh, Ship, how old are you at this point?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Fourteen?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I think formidable years.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yes, yes, yes, you've lived to sell the tail, so
that's yeah, that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We asked that question and we get you know, I wag.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
School no real like attempted violence, So that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did your parents find out?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah? I got suspended for that, Yes, in.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
The school suspension or actually at home suspension.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know, three days. I think it was hoday.
I don't understand suspension for boys like I was. It
was just your beauty.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
What we had to do when we got suspended at
school is we would have to work with the groundskeepers
and that and that was a good determine what school
was that again, it was Saint Peter's.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
There's a lot of great lands.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, came out and the groundskeepers were just they were grumpy.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah yeah MCG s CG. We bred them the gabba specifically.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Did you at this point did you have any taste
of drama in acting. Yes, did you do any drama?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But yeah, so I did my first commercial when I
was nine.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh what was it?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It was a Dimmy Books commercial hashtag not sponsored and
it was yeah, I was. It was a Christmas campaign
and then I did a few commercials from there. Child Yeah, no,
I star getting into that, but yeah, probably in my teens.
I was in soapie for a couple of years, which
(07:20):
one I was called breakers was said in Bondi that yes,
was said in Bondi. Aida Nicodemo and James Stewart were
to the notable.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
James Jewe went to the Grand Final with him.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, yes, yeah, Jimmy Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I was
on that for two years from seventeen to nineteen.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You got a real child star.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Can I ask, were you like a floating extra or
were you a bit of a.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Was I was full time?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
What was your characters?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Danny Simmons and he spoke like this and he I
was the son of the Central family. But yeah, I
never really told my mates before or I got that role.
I didn't tell anyone that I acted. It was a
bit of a punch bowl thing, I think, you know,
it was like it wasn't cool. It's a bit showy.
(08:11):
So I'd end up on commercials and the notable one
when I was eleven was a fish Fingers commercial. I
was called fish Fingers at school from it.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Was that's actually I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Called ash was called that for different reasons high school
years that would have been the nickname. So then we
apologize none.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Again.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But then he like they would have known, right, because.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Then end up on telling. People would say is that you?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, and then it looks like me.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
But sometimes given me I can build I hate from
Jesus right now, I'm sorry, Yez, I can't help.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
We'll clean this up. It's quite a big role, you know,
being on Breakers. Yes, even though you were reluctant to
tell everyone publicly, did you think this could be a
career for me?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Absolutely? It's what I always wanted to do. When I
was a kid. I wanted to act. Michael J. Fox
was my hero, back to the Future, all that sort
of stuff, and I, yeah, I did want to do it.
I really did. But when I got Breakers, I was
quite a wayward team and it was a little bit
like rewarding bad behavior. So really during that time, I was.
(09:45):
I took it for granted when I look back on it,
I was always at work on time and all that
sort of stuff. But I, yeah, it was so much fun,
but I really I didn't give it the respect.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You're also a teena, you're trying to enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Absolutely, but I was a cheeky kid, and yeah, but
it was a great lesson, really amazing lesson, particularly now
with Zara.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And then at what point did you meet your now wife?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Two thousand and eleven, I was thirty one. Yeah, that's
when I met Lisa.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Do you remember where it was?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Absolutely? It was the town Hall Hotel in Balmain, which
is no longer there. I used to work there and
I went there to see the manager or the owner
of the place at the time, and I walked in
and Lisa was sitting at the bar and her friends
were talking to a couple of guys behind her, and
she was sitting by herself.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I thought she was the prettiest woman I've ever seen. Yeah,
there's more to the story, I should I say it? Anyway,
So I worked there for six years and there was
an old like who had out a couple and he
was trying to tune trying to chatter up and I
(11:07):
was watching it. I was talking to a couple of
blokes and one of them said, and I should preface
this by saying I wasn't leering, but I just kept looked.
I kept looking at her and going, she's amazing. I
said to these guys. I said, to these guys, she's
she's incredible. And one of them said, you can't stop
looking at her, and I said, no, I can't. And
the old bloke was trying. He was making a laugh
(11:29):
and whatnot, and I could tell she was politely declining,
and so I went up bit the bullet. After about
half an hour, I went up and said she wasn't
being a cost of half an hour. But after about
five minutes, I walked up and said, sorry to interrupt,
is my dad annoying you? And she laughed and yeah,
(11:51):
he went we had to report. I was okay. And
then I said, if I get rid of him, will
you buy me a drink?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And she said maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And I went all right, And so then I said
to the old mate, come upstairs, let's go over a drink.
We went upstairs to the other bar. I bought him
a drink, and then my tail left about it, and
I've since thanked him. I went downstairs and I said,
(12:23):
this sounds cheesy, but I said, I believe someone knows
me a drink. Now I bought the drinks, but for
the record, yeah, but she was, yes, but she was.
She made me so nervous and she said something. So
the first thing was she started saying, she said, you're
not thirty one, You're too young for thirty one. So
I had to show my ID and then when I did,
(12:46):
she bounce. And my mom used to always say, ah,
you're pouting your photos. Why are you pouting your photos?
And yes, exactly, so I do a little. And the
first thing Lisa said when she looked, and she went, oh,
you're not lying, and she just do you pouty? And
(13:13):
then I started doing the most just knaf stuff I start.
I was living in an apartment overlooking the water at
Queenscliff at the time, like on the cliff face. So
I started showing and stuff like this is where I live,
like just so nervous and cringy, classic move yeah, And
she said, are you trying to trying to impress me?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
No, no, And I ended up leaning in and saying,
you're making me really nervous. Yeah, and I think you're
really cool. And we chatted and the rapport was that
the chemistry was there, and fortunately she called me back
the next day and yeah, we sort of hit the
ground running fair well. No, we took things slowly, but
we we were hanging out quite a bit for a
couple of months.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then that's a good story. Sometimes we get stories and.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I'm like, what you've given us?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
The brilliant was thirty one. Yes, I don't know if
many blokes I'm thinking about starting a family? When did
that thought process start to enter your mind?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That was the thing I was thinking. A couple of
months before that. I started thinking I really want to
meet the one.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And because of something happened or.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I just felt like everything else I was involved in
was like at a surface level and I was, you know,
I was dating, but it felt quite empty and I really.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wanted to connect with someone.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And I'd seen other mates that were meeting the one
and yeah, yes it was it was quiet. And I
actually after I met Lisa that night, I rang a
mate and said, I think I just.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Met my wife.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Wow, Now, like that isn't I don't think my family
will probably say, the King of bold statements. But at
that time it wasn't something I would ever say.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know what you had? You didn't throw that out previously.
It was it like a weekly text like.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
How I met your mother situation. It was just like
that's no, it was yeah, wow, powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it was powerful. It was really powerful.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
And so at what point did you start to say, hey,
do you want to get pregnant?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So we got married in December. So we met July
twenty eleven, and we got married December twenty thirteen. And
we talked before we got married. We said Lisa said,
I'd love to start trying straight away and as soon
(15:44):
as we're married, and so yeah, that was pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And we love a birth story. Yes, okay, how was
it for you from when the waters broke when you
ended up in hospital? Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, So around two months before so we found out
least was due on the fourteenth of February, and I
two months before I went for an audition for the
lead in an international TV commercial. So we found out
that Lease was due with our firstborn on the fourteenth
of February, and two months before that, I went for
(16:20):
an audition for the lead in an international TV commercial.
And when you go for an audition, you sign a
thing where it says do you have conflicts for any
conflicts for the following dates, fourth, fifth, and sixth of February.
And I just thought, no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Because you don't want to make it sound that you're
difficult to work with or give any reason why you
shouldn't be picked. Right for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
But also I'm going to sound like a numpty. But
I didn't think that our baby would come early.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, right, yeah, And I just very.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Genuinely it was just like it's due on the fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, you think that's the day.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I did in that moment. And so
fourth of February rolls around. I need to be in
the Eastern Suburbs. Was living in the Northern Beaches. I
get up at three thirty in the morning. I have
to be there on set.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh you book the job. I booked.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sorry, I booked the job. Book the job, which is awesome,
new family, young family, all that sort of stuff. It
was a good earn. So I was stoked wake up
at three thirty in the morning on the fourth of
February to get ready to be on set. And I
think five quarter plus five or something, and Lisa's not
(17:36):
in the bed, and she's in the bathroom with the
door closed, which is within itself. And then I've gone,
you're all right, and she said, I think so my
water's broken yet, so open the door, super excited. And
then in the absolute moment you do not want to
(17:57):
make it about yourself, I've gone, holy shit, I've.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Got to go to this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because I've been in the industry since I was a kid,
I knew there could be legal ramifications if I don't
turn up. And you know TV, that's the thing. Time
is money. And it was an international thing, so all
these people had come over from overseas. It was like
it was a big thing. It was a massive thing.
(18:26):
So I said to a listener, this is what I'm
going to do. I'm going to call my sister Carlie.
Carli had actually helped a couple of people give birth.
She's a freak of nature, not a midwife, ot occupation.
Seriously love And I said, I call Carlie. She lived
(18:48):
ten minutes away. I'm going to get Carli to come.
She takes you to the hospital. I am not going
to miss this. I'm going to go there. I have
to front up. We could be in a lot of
trouble if I don't talk to them. I'm going to
front up up, tell them what the go is. But
I'm not going to miss it. I will make it.
I don't know how I'm going to do it, but
I'm going to do it. So my sister came all,
it's all good, it's all good, it's all good. The
(19:09):
guilt that I had was mate to this day. I
feel still feel a bit sick about it. Anyway, I
get to set and I spoke to the head of
production and they were livid, filthy are you? Oh? Yeah,
oh what can't of wait?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Just that?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, because I'd signed the thing and I hadn't told them,
it looked like I was pulling a swifty and I
absolutely wasn't. And I said, I'm so sorry, but I'm
not missing the birth of my first child. Yeah, you know, TV,
(19:51):
anyone's production, whether it be a TV commercial, it's the
most important thing in the world, totally for them, right,
And I get that, but I I couldn't do it.
So I threw everything into a tailspin and they said, look,
we're going to try and film well. Unfortunately, the first
assistant director had his wife had just given birth to
their first about three weeks before, so he was really
(20:14):
connected and in tune with okay, and he came up
to me and said, mate, I'm going to do everything
I can to get you out of here. Let's film
as much as we can. You stay in touch with
your sister, get updates, and we'll go from there. Let's
mind you. I had to speak to the camera, so
I was doing monologues and yeah, a whole bit.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So anyway, mine's a bit preoccupied.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, And so I'm sitting there, I'd say, if you
want to do and then and cut, and then I
look at my phone, Okay, we're okay at the moment,
and then in action and do it again. And I'll
never forget this lighting guy. He was an older bloke,
he had three kids, he knew the drill, and he goes,
(20:59):
I'm Ben, do you know how many centimeters dilated she is?
And now shout out to one of our hospital birth
in classes. I didn't listen to this, and I went,
I don't know. Then my sister pings me and says,
eight centimeters dilated. That's big, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We should know that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, I feel so much better having you guys say that.
So then I've said eight centimeters to old mate and
he goes, oh shit, and I was that close? Is it?
He said, that's close? And then the next text was
in capitals, she's coming when you were having a little girl.
(21:48):
So I've told set.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Because it's an eastern suburb of Sydney to Mona our
that's that could be an hour drive.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Peak out me. This is I think it was seven
o'clock by this time and seven am and they've gone,
go go, go, go, go go, You've got to come back,
just go. So I've ran barefoot, jumped in the car
and yeah, I'm not proud of this, but I did
speed and I got a spending time. I got a
(22:15):
spedding fine in the tunnel, which was later on retracted
because I proved everything, which was.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Quite that's pretty cool that, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Some people don't get away with it that day. I've
got someone that was so maybe they had the same
thing happened to them, but they were lovely, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So and I try. I'm on Pittwater Road and my
sister's going hurry up, hurry up, and a police I
was in the right lane and a police officer was
in the bus lane pulled over and I'm trying to
flag them. I'm beeping at them. He's looking at something
on his monitor in the middle of the car and
the one time I want to copy a look and
(23:00):
he did not flinch. Was I was beeping it because
I'm thinking or so doesn't flinch. So I'm in and
in and out of car.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
It's like one of the worst roads to be and
the potholes on that fucking round ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And so I'm using the bus lane doing everything I can.
I get to turn right into mine of our hospital,
and I'm beeping, flashing lights at the red light and
going I'm going I'm going complete melodramatic. I want to
be actor anyway. So I've done it. I've gone the
(23:37):
red ran in no shoes on making a complete scene.
Unbeknownst to me, my sister, my beautiful wife Lisa, and
the lovely lady mid the midwife were in the zone.
They were in a zen like state and I run.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
In and go.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
And there you changed the mood, yeah, And they were
not that pleased.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
The midwife thought I was a jerk.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Because had I missed the first couple of hours I think. Anyway,
she the midwife goes slow down and Lisa and I
both looked at her and went, who are you talking to?
And she pointed square it means that you and I
went so held a hand, did the thing three pushes,
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and little Zara Tate was born. How within minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So the speeding fine was worth it, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And you made it back? Do you make it back
to the shooter?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
See? That was that. It was so hard. We did
skinder skin all that stuff and then had to My
manager rang me and said, I'm so sorry, you need
to go back. And so I went back and yeah,
that was really hard. I ended up going back and
doing reshoots. Mate, so stressful, And that's really the main
(25:02):
reason I stayed for as long as I did was
because of that. And when I went back, people were
saying to me, you know, you you just didn't put
it down on the sheet because you wanted the money,
and guilty.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I did want the money, but I didn't think that different.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I genuinely just didn't think. Yeah, I was very foggy
at that stage in my life as well. It was
a funny time and yeah, it's that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Well, you made it, that's the main thing.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yes, Yeah, I've got to ask. I think last time
I checked Instagram wise, you're sitting on two point seven million. Yes,
I think, am I right?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Two point eight yes as of today, but you know
that could and was five point two am I won?
I think?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, they have some huge, crazy numbers. Yes, so I do.
Both of us have to say congratulations, thanks Matte. She's
really bloody impressive than you do. You remember the very
first viral video that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
We did, our first video was It wasn't as viral
as we've had since then, but it was the first
video sort of set us up. That was lip sync
we did during lockdown I Want It that Way by
the Backstreet Boys song. Yes, that's exact was it was.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
It wasn't the Brooklyn nine nine version, Was it like
the It was the actual Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
The actual thing, yes, and yeah we filmed it during lockdown.
Zara and I were filming a lot of stuff during lockdown,
and I never crossed my mind for it to go
that way. My brother had said to me about eighteen
months before I posted it. You know, there's you're doing
your thing and Zara doing her thing. There's there's a market.
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I think people would love it. And I pooh poohed
the idea because I didn't really want to get Zara
involved in on camera and all that sort of stuff,
and it just all seemed a bit yeah, too hard basket.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So how many phollows would you have had before the
Backstreet Boys video? None?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, And then it went I think we got thirty
thousand off that video. And then we sort of went,
holy shit, you know this is this could have something here,
And I rang my family. I literally was in tears
on the phone and my brother because I was saying,
I don't know if I want to put Zara out.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
There and how old was she at the time, five.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And he and the rest of my family and Lisa
and my mom and my sister, we also talked about
it and said, as long as it remains fun and
you know she loves it, yeah, and only do what
you're comfortable with and what she's comfortable with, then go
for it. Be motivated by success, not for you all
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that sort of stuff. And so we went for it,
but we didn't. We always we never really filmed a lot.
It was always something that we just we do two
or three videos a week at the start.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And with lockdown, I suppose there's all sorts of time
and then you would have been doing shit.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
School or just she was, but she was doing homeschool,
so you would to.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Help homeschooling all sorts of stuff with your videos. Now,
I mean it's been it's been a while since then,
and the following is quite big. Who comes up, who's
the creative inspiration?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Who is it? A bit of both or.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So Zara. We basically with music because a lot of
our stuff is music. But everything we do I vet
with Zara. So I'll say I'll show a song, do
you like it? She likes it or she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
And she's like, I don't really like the police. But
generally every.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Now and then she go, I don't know, I don't know,
but it would be fun. I can see what you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Any bands that she knocks back that you're.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
She knocked back, well, actually I don't know if she
has knocked back. She's knocked back a couple of heavy
metal ones.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
She's not a big heavy metal fan. Are you heavy
metal fan?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I like some Yeah, I like some Metallica. Yeah, she's
not big on Metallica. We actually did one disturbed get
Down with the Sickness, did that recently and that performed
really well and she loved that. She liked the hook
and all that sort of stuff, but she was like,
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this is heavy, dad. But yeah, but as far as
inspiration goes, Zara will come up with stuff in the
moment and I'll just say you do this part, I'll
do that part. She likes all that direction. But she
really creates.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Whatever she does.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, it's amazing, and I can, I can, I can
imagine for her because we all sort of grew up
and then a lot of us didn't find it creative
outlet until there was a pandemic, Like I didn't do
any of this stuff before it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Started, And I was like, so for her now growing up.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
She's got this creative outlet already for sure, which is
just going to help her be more powerful when she
gets older.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Right, Yeah, we would hope. So that's what you know.
We're so fortunate with how it's been received and she
really wants to act, and there's been some amazing doors.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
That have opened.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, I think I can really talk about at the moment.
But she's she's doing a thing, and she's working at it,
and she's got an acting coach in La.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Let me speculate. What do we got. I feel like
jock boyl Yeah, feature film linked, feature film. I feel
like I haven't heard her sing. I feel like she
can sing. She can sing good dance. It's a musical.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's the musical.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
But if you get well, if she gets in a film, hypothetical,
are you like I wouldn't mind being in the film
as well.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
For sure. But I've come to yeah, of course the performer,
but I have definitely come to accept that she could
play the daughter of someone and.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
You know what, it was my son, I take him.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, she's she did. That took a little bit of
getting used to for her that I said to, uh,
you know this could it could turn out someone else.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Not playing Brad Pitters.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, and she's gone, oh, the first time we talked
about it, oh, I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
And now she's totally cool well with Marley because Marley
is now turning six, yes, very shortly, and there's been
moments where she's asked questions. There was one time when
she was on the back of a bus with Laura
and she was like.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
On a picture, just not hanging.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Hanging on left. She was like, Dad, am I am
I famous? And I was like, yeah, I want this
kid to have some level of resilience, you know, I
don't want her growing up. Yes, exactly. So I was like,
I was like, no, no, no, no, no, it's no big deal
(32:32):
that you're in the back of the bus. It's very normal,
need nothing to be proud of. Was like nothing.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Have you have you ever been on a bus before
her or she was on a bus before you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I was on a bus one time. Yes, many, many
many not me. Man, your time will come. Have there
been any moments when she was younger where she was
kind of like hang on a second, like, am I someone?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah? For sure?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
And how do you navigate that conversation?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So we tell her that it's part of the thing.
If you really want to do this, you're going to
get recognized. But that stuff's not important. It's not it's
nothing about your self worth or anything. That's not what
really is important that you kind you're down to earth.
This is just a it's a thing. It's not Fame
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is a funny and weird thing. And people are going
to react, you know, they're going to give you a
lot of wow, you're so amazing, But really they're talking
about your gift, your gifted in and what your talent is.
They don't really know who you are underneath it. So
what's important is that you're kind to those people? You say, loo,
but yeah, I don't know. That's a long winded answer,
(33:42):
but it's it's I.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Think it's good. We think yes, solid I was. I
was with you for the journey on that one, but
I liked how you you were. You sort of you
separated it to who she is for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
And that there there is a person under there, and
people are going to tell you how good you are,
but it's remembered for you to stay humble and be
kind and the show people actually how good you are
at being a person.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Sure, that's what I got from that for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Thank you. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting
up because we did a we did a TikTok live
once and when you're allowed to have your kids on
her and the comments were, you're so beautiful, z are
You're so pretty, You're so great, you're so awesome, You're
this or that, and I got off and we made
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a little bit of money in that time from that
one session, which and I just said to Lisa, we
can't do this again because if we do that again,
she her self worth is going to come from that.
And so that is in line with what you just said.
We really don't when people are telling her how she's amazing,
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how amazing she is, that's what they're seeing online. That's
it's you know, that's not you don't get yourself.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
You're yeah, you're amazing in other ways I have seen
before absolutely, which I think like when you said that
you know that you're so beautiful, you know that that
could be so interpreted in so many different ways that
could be.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
That could be like your personality online is so beautiful
you as a person. So they don't know that. They
just see from face value, right sure.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, and it's just dangerous for kids. So yeah, Zara
has absolutely no access to anything like that.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
If she may or may not be in a film
coming up, can you promise us something, Yes, when you're
in Hollywood and you know you're walking the carpet of
the Oscars, can you just still remember us?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Do you know two other dads? We need three dads for.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
You with you mentioned youn.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
What's his what's what makes him tick?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Sport?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, love sports, love the Doggies at the moment, Yeah, Doggies.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He is all about the is his favorite player from
the Doggies.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Burton loves Matt Burton, kick out.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All the imports.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah yeah, all the parents. Yeah, he's forty, but all sports.
Just him and I will watch sports channels all the time.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Anything we're watching. We're watching the other day archery, Yeah,
anything is playing sport. Yeah, he's playing soccer at the moment.
We registered him into the local footy team, but it
coincided with soccer, so we've said next year he can
play league, much to his mum's excite. It's been a
hard one but he's prepared to play without his mates
(36:45):
and so I said, shouldn't we honor that that he
really wants. He wants it, and so she's cool with that.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
She gets Yeah, that's got. He did union last year
and he did one training session. We sponsored the team too,
did one training session that he spent the rest of
the training sessions in the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
He fell over once. Yeah football yeah, yeah, everything like
how old is on?
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He's so obviously he's prime position for everything at school.
Who's the fastest? Is the best?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Ye? Yeah, yeah, he's he's quick. Oh yeah, yeah he's
really quick, and yeah he's yeah. But he has a
knack for performing as well. He's hilarious, but he just
doesn't really he's not super interested.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, okay, out of interest. What field does Lisa work in?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
So she was worked in insurance for a while, she's
worked in healthcare. She works in daycare at the moment,
just a couple of days here and there.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But all the performing ability has come from yourself, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
She actually is like a lot of the concepts. Lisa
will come up with a lot of the songs. We've
got an ongoing you've got absolutely got an ongoing argument
about who's got the most viral videos for concepts?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Wow, and who's winning at the moment.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's got to be. But yeah, she's incredible. We've unlocked
this and particularly for paid partnerships and whatnot, it takes
me three days to figure something out. Takes least three minutes.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
That's a skill. Yeah, I mean we do that all week, every.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Week, and I'm like, now I make this funny.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We spoke before ben about the fact that you're sober. Yes,
how how long has it been now?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Nine years? Nine and a bit?
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, What led to the moment where you decided that
being sober was the most important thing for you?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I look, it had been a long journey of trying
to knowing that I shouldn't drink. You know, my mum
would say my late teens, she'd say, some people just
shouldn't drink, and you're one of them. And and meeting Lisa.
I went to rehab in twenty ten and I did
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a nine week stint in there, and I got out
and I tried to curve. I tried to tried to
get above my drinking by just drinking light beers and
what they call control drinking. And I went okay for
a while, and things started going well in my career.
(39:28):
I was doing voiceovers at the time, and things were
doing well. And then I met my dream girl.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
And when you say control drinking, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Is that just I'll be careful because I'm not, like,
I'm not completely.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well versed in for yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
For me, it was light light beer, and it was
watching my portions and how off and I had it
and all that sort of thing. But what happened was
with the career and Lisa. On the surface, all looked
like everything was awesome. And what I've learned in my
recovery is that social acceptability doesn't equal recovery. It wasn't
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being grounded and all that sort of stuff, And for me,
I ended up, you know, Lessa and I be out.
I'd have a light beer and she'd have her wine
or whatever, and then I'd go to the bar and
have a couple of shots without her knowing, and that
sort of progressed over time, and then you know, we
got married in twenty thirteen, and yeah, I blacked out
(40:35):
at my wedding towards the end of it, and I
said a couple of mean things to some really, you know,
some of the people I love the most in my life.
You know, two of my groomsmen out of three, my
sister in law, who was the nicest person you've ever met,
(40:55):
My cousin, And it was actually my cousin the next
day who rang me and told me I had no one,
and so we went on the honeymoon. I was just
filled with remorse, skill and regret. My brother six weeks later,
when he felt comfortable to talk to me again at
a family function, mind you, I had to be here
(41:16):
in my hand, and I was apologizing profusely to both
him and my sister in law. And my brother looked
at me and said, it's all right, mate. It will
never happen again, though, will it. And he gave me
this look like better yeah, And I went no, no, no, mate,
And I remember thinking as clear as day, I remember thinking,
(41:37):
I can't guarantee that that happened. But then a couple
couple of weeks later, I didn't come home when I
said i'd come home. I was blacked out. It was
not pretty. Lisa found me somewhere in the bushes, somewhere
textbook like what you'd see in a movie about alcoholic
(41:57):
and Lisa said, you need to clean up, and if
you don't, we're over. And this was after two months
of marriage. And so I went to my psychologist that
I was seeing at the time. I was seeing a
psychologist because I was just riddled with anxiety and all
the stuff. But I was constantly drinking and you know,
partying what I thought was partying to the party was
(42:19):
well over. And the psychologist referred me to a community
of like minded people and said you need to get
so and so yeah, that sort of started my journey. Yeah, wow,
it was the start of it.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Good on you for again being able to be in
a position where you could have gone either way.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Thank you. Look, it's taken a village. That absolutely has
and I still have a lot of support around that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
What's been the hardest do you think about staying on
the right track?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Look, mate, I grew up with older male role models
saying the phrase never trust a man.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
That doesn't drink.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Wow, you know, and that that is so ingrained, you know.
And I love to be love the taste of it,
to be a kind ofseur, you know, like I was
all over it, and you know, the social aspect of
it was the hardest part for the first couple of years.
And my mates, like I love my mates, but it
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was the only way I knew how to connect with
anyone was with you know, a skinful and I used
it for everything, you know, when I was happy, when
I was sad, when I was angry, and so having
to feel things was brand new. I've been drinking for
twenty one years most days, particularly in the last ten years,
(43:50):
and yeah, that was really hard.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
This new life.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
And then Zara was born, and I was nine months
sober when she was born, and you know, early recovery
for a lot of people, who I should speak for myself,
it was tough, like it was because it was my
identity was wrapped up in that I was the party boy,
you know. But it was clear to everyone close to
(44:17):
me that I was really sick. You know, I had
yellow I was yellow as I had pancrea titus. At
times I'd have to go to hospital. I don't if
you know anything about pankory titans, he's the gnarliest thing
and it's one of the common causes of alcoholism.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
And yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Just so many things would happen. I'd been hit by cars,
I'd hit the whole lot and you know, and I'd
burned bridges. I'd hurt so many people. Yeah, it was
I relapsed at when Zara was nine months old for
one night because I found it really hard to let
(44:56):
go of the old relationships. And I did don't necessarily
have to let go of those relationships, but I shouldn't.
You know, you sit in the barber's chair long enough,
you're going to get a haircut. And I was going
to things that, you know, I was still hanging out
with the boys while there was drink involved, and it
was too early for me to be doing that. I
needed to get more time up, and it wasn't there.
(45:17):
I'm not blaming the.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Boys at all.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
It was I really mourned. I grieved not being around
my mates and doing all that sort of stuff. But
it was really clear within a couple of beers that
night that the party was over, which had me going
even harder because it's like, oh shit, I shouldn't be
doing this bang, and I'll never forget. I went home
(45:42):
and Sarah was Yeah, she was nine months old, and
she pulled herself up to the couch and looked at
me with those pure and yeah, I was done. That
was yeah, I knew, but I knew I needed to
thrown myself into my recovery and and so I did.
(46:05):
And I've been helped by so many strong men and
women that are like minded and have been through the
same thing. And you know, my thing today is trying
to help others because I've learned and I'm learning that
I only keep what I have by giving it away,
and so, you know, but every day I get to
(46:27):
help someone that's helping me. Yeah, you know, and and yeah,
there's a there's a community out there of so many
amazing people that have got incredible stories that have turned
their lives around.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
And yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
What they've given to me freely has helped me and
my family exponentially.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, congratulations on nine and a half years.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Thanks, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That's you know, listening to that story, it's like there's
you know, and you said the party is over, and
it's like, fucked it, Like just that thought, you know,
like especially being a young man and growing up and
doing your career, having a family, and then you think about,
you know, your boys you grew up with, and it's
really hard to find when the party's over for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
But I would say the party isn't it. I've never
had so.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Much fun in my freaking life. Wow lack.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
But I didn't think that was possible without a dream.
My first two years, i'd hear people say, oh love sobriety,
I love my recovery. I don't think bullshit, how can you?
And now, like I've got a crew of guys that
we laugh our asses off and we watched the foot
of the UFC. We go away, we do all sorts
(47:44):
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Out of interest. Are they the same mates that you
used to hang out with before or have you had
to get new friends.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I've still in contact with a lot of those guys,
not all of them, but I am in contact with
their few of them that I really grew up. But
there's there's a whole new crew. But my oldest mate
who's like my brother, I've been friends with him since
I was four. We grew up around the corner from
each other in punchy. He he's ninety one day sober today.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, and that's like one of the just fills me up.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, it's so powerful, it's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
It's beautiful. There are so many people out there who
don't even begin to go on that journey to recovery.
So the fact that you've done it and you've stuck
to it, and you also then positively impacted those around
you to echo what Ash said, Congratulations, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Thank you man, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
There's it's it is everything good I have in my
life other than from Lisa and you know, my two
beautiful kids. And am I gotta throw my mum in
there because she's she's been through it all, yeah, you know,
and it's it's I wouldn't have it if I didn't
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have recovery. Really, I know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be
able to do what we do. I wouldn't be able
to connect with the kids the way I do. And look,
I've got to double down. I've got to say that
I know plenty of dads that drink and are amazing fathers,
and they enjoy a drink and they're amazing dads. For me,
the way I drink, it ain't possible, you know, and
(49:29):
lucky bastards. I still I look at them and go, yeah, man,
if I could, I would, but it's it's just not
the case. They know when to pull up and put
the family first and all that sort of stuff, and
I don't.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yeah, there's this sort of same where it's like you
can't have love and addiction at the same time. You
got to either drop the things you love and keep
the addiction or take the love and drop the addiction.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Really, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I don't think I've heard it put like that, but
I do.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I do agree.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
It's super powerful.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
And like I said, you're telling us a story is
going to people going to listen to that and resonate
or find something from that that gives them the strength
to maybe turn around and look at their habits and
their drinking and their addictions. So we appreciate you sort
of giving us that whole story.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, thanks, I don't look.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
It was I haven't spoken about it before, but I
know that knowing people like particularly in entertainment, actors and
whatnot that had talked about it a bit that helped me. Man,
it did inspire me, you know, athletes and whatnot, and
so yeah, I would you know, one of my mentors
(50:41):
said to me, it'd be great for you to talk
about it because you could help. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think especially if you're someone like yourself where you're
the only friend in that circle who's not drinking. It's
so isolating, feels like you're the only one. So to
know that someone else is doing it alongside and doing
it successfully, Yeah, it has a huge impact.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Sure for me that it's been a bloody good chat
has been you are. I'm sure there's no surprise. You're
a very good storyteller.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Matt gives one last question, which I think is appropriate.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
When your kids are grown up, and unfortunately there may
be the time. Maybe not. Maybe they'll live with you forever.
But if there does come a time where they fly
away from the nest, they're no longer living under the
one roof with you. What's the one thing you would
want them to remember about the house they grew up in.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Just freedom, that sounds enough. Just silliness, you know, silliness, love, warmth, safe, safety,
you know, and just freedom to be whatever they want.
You know, that's really really important to me and Lisa.
(51:55):
And yeah, just the laughter. Man, we laugh every day.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
I'm sure you got.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
There is nothing like that laughter, the cuddles, and I
know that the cuddle is going to stop. I'm already
fearful of that, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
I was. I was watching this scene from Peter Pan
where the Robin Williams the mum was saying, they'll come
a time where they no longer want to play with you.
And so when they and you're like.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Sh it's funny, like as dads and we all get
together and we sort of vent to each other as
well about the things they're doing. But then you're like,
there's going to be a time where they're not going
to do that stupid thing in front of you again, And.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
You're like, stupid thing.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
So I think your your answer there with freedom is
someone we haven't had, I don't think, which is amazing
because I can imagine, you know, even our generation, the
previous generation, there wasn't probably a lot of freedom to
be who you want to be all the time. So
I think spreading that message for the next generation to be,
to do and feel and act and be who they
(53:01):
want to be is such an important mass.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Be sure. Look, I don't want it to make it
sound like the you know, the kids run the house.
They do, but it's but there is, there's still boundaries
and all that kind of stuff, But it's just freedom
to be themselves.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Are the sillier they are, the more comfortable they are. Yeah,
that's very true.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah. When yeah, yeah, when actually comes home and he's loopy,
it's because he feels safe there, absolutely, And when he's
a bit shy outside.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
And we're out with other people, you know that he's
yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
And I appreciate you coming on today and thank against
that array of different stories and it was amazing and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Thanks, I really appreciate When can we When will there
be an update on what feature films can we give
any like one month, two months, six months.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Hopefully there's there's a couple of things we're working on. Wow, yeah,
so there could be. Yeah, there could be some news
in the next couple of months.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
We will keep waiting with breath.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yes, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Thank you on the back of it.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
There's always more to destroy. That line where he said
you should never trust and man that doesn't dream and
that bit hard. That's like as a kid growing up,
that was a narrative that I was told all the time.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
You have that or never trust anyone.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Mad.
Speaker 4 (54:37):
It's absolutely crazy that a generation before us were brought
up thinking that it was not cool.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
It also makes you realize how careful you need to
be when speaking from your kids. A little sponges. But
if you or someone you know is struggling with alcohol
or any other addictions, should, for that matter, make sure
you check out the show notes that your list of
really helpful with will you there? And if you've enjoyed
this episode ash, where should you Go?
Speaker 3 (55:04):
You should subscribe Firstly.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
Firstly, secondly, you should leave a review five stars little
or you can join us on social.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Media, and that I believe it is two doting Dads, Facebook,
Instagram and the tiktoks Wow Bye Two Doting Dads podcast
acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia and the
connections to land, see and community.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
We pay our respects to their elders past and present
and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander
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