November 14, 2025 • 11 mins
The guys welcome in Wes, who will be on the sidelines for the UNC-Wake Forest game for The CW, to talk about his matchup and some of the other top matchups in the ACC.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for the campus corner, and it is also time
for us to get a chance to check in with
Wes Bryant, who's up in Winston, sale and getting you
ready for North Carolina and wake Forest the big game
on the CW network tomorrow four thirty in Winston, of course,
getting you ready for that one, Wes. Obviously a big
contest for both sides. It's a rivalry game, two teams
(00:22):
with three losses inside the conference, wake Forest off that
big victory of Virginia and North Carolina is definitely resurgent.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
This is a very, very intriguing contest here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Will you got to make sure first of all that
you say counter when you say campus conor you know
what I'm saying. So maybe there's nothing you can work on.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I can, I can, I can work on being in
the ConA.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We can do it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah that's right. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We can do it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We can do it, Yeah, no doubt about it. But
now this is gonna be a fun one. A sellout
has been confirmed at way four, so it's gonna be
jumping in here like a bag of popcorn on two minutes.
You feel me, I'm excited, Yeah, I'm excited about it,
no doubt about. This is a rivalry and it's funny
just being in there talking to the wake Forest head
(01:10):
coaches and we got a good laugh because we were
talking about how, you know North Carolina fans that they're
always you know, neutral, long wait for us, So I
always hear how they're like, oh, yeah, we like wake Force,
we cheer for them all the time. And I'm like, well,
I'm glad that you guys do, because we never cheer
for you. We hate you, we don't like you, so
we don't want any sympathy. We don't want any support
from anybody. So that's going to be the fun part
(01:32):
about this one. That's why I knew this one would
be a sellout. And each team winning their games last
week just added to it. North Carolina fighting for a
bold spot, wait for is trying to continue to better
whatever bowl that they are going to be playing in,
as they are already both eligible. But most of all,
it's just good old fashioned hate, at least from our end,
(01:53):
and want to beat North Carolina, who has beaten wake
Forth in their last four games, and the last four
games in this series have been out about five points
or less, so these are great games. They're tough games
that close, games that you know. Fortunately for me to
self control, I still have my TVs and other devices
because these games have made me want to break things
(02:13):
very much.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So when it comes to when the red light comes on,
I know that you are a consummate broadcast professional and
you've had a couple of wake games this year, But
is is this one a little harder to be objective
in with with you?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, not at all, because the check comes first, you
know what I'm saying. So I got to make sure
that now, to make sure you secure the bag. You know,
I do subtle things though people watch me now, I
do do subtle things. I will react, you know, when
something bad happens, I might swamp my shoulders or my
head might go back for a second. Or when they
do something good, I do little slight fist pumps to myself,
(02:52):
you know, just those kind of quiet, hopeful fist pumps.
I'll do those. So you know, I do little things
sometimes because this is extremely difficult when you watch and
you know a team that you played for and you
care so much, will it PU already know? Man? You
know you didn't play for Charlotte f C. But you
know how much you can, how passionate you are about
that group. So when I'm watching, you know, my guy,
(03:13):
it's hard to to fully keep it going. So I
just try to do little things, you know, that don't
blow my cover.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
The big Virginia victory last weekend obviously showed a lot
of fight for wake Forest and Ashford. Season has been
incredibly mercurial up and down.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What do you make.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
If kind of as and again the stats don't have
to necessarily be guardy with him, but it almost kind
of feels like as he goes, they go in a way.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, no doubt about it, man. And so when you
talk about who were talking about Duke in Virginia and
you said what player? Did you say again, I'll.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Talk about as wait with wake I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Saying, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no question. And so that's
been the thing with the passing game because demon clayboy.
The last three games, he's been under sixty yards rushing
and a lot of that has had to do. You know,
there have been some issues on some specific run played,
and he did have a decent amount of good runs
called back against North Carolina. But this passion attack, man,
(04:14):
it's got to get better. You've had Robbie Aster that's
been a little bit banged up kind of ever since
he that Virginia Tech game when he had the injury,
he missed the next game and then Party came in
against Oregon State and he was able to hit a
lot of deep shots against them. But you know, ever
since that Oregon State game, this passion attack has been
very you know, very mid, as the kids would say,
(04:38):
and that's at best. I mean, last week against Virginia
it just felt like once it got to a third situation,
third down situation that was over maybe five or six yards,
that it just wasn't going to get converted. Because that's
just where this past game is. And you know, talking
to offensive coordinator Robbie Zel, you know he's talking about
two injuries of wide receiver have affected that song too,
(04:59):
you know, but as far as the quarterback, you know,
he was saying that sometimes it is the throw it
and sometimes the receivers have to come up with plays.
And so tomorrow, you know, there's no excuses. You've got
to be able to come up with some plays and
that passing attack because this UNC defense right now is
as hot and as good as anybody and they are
a team that's going to be looking out to looking
(05:20):
to continue to prove that point tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, very very concerned about the North Carolina front. How
he goes up against Clayborn here tomorrow. It's up with
Wes Bryant, who's on of course, the North Carolina Wake game,
and thinking about the North Carolina side of this west obviously.
You know, Geo Lopez had one of his better games
against Stanford last weekend. Trying to see if you can
continue to build on that even though Wake Forest is
(05:44):
a favorite in this game. My two North Carolina friends here,
Fitty and Flound, seem to be pretty chesty and confident
that maybe North Carolina's turning the corner. How do you
feel about maybe Belichick rescuing something out of this season
for them?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, I do think that this is a team that's
getting better. And I kind of felt this was how
it was going to go, that they were going to
start playing well right when they got to this game here.
And you know, and I said last week when we
spoke to Carolina's coaches and they talked about how players
just really started to get it. They started to simplify things,
and I have the players thinking so much, and you know,
(06:21):
when talking to the way coaches, that was one of
the things they conveyed too. They said at the beginning
of the season, and that's why sometimes you know, saying
you don't get the context, you don't get to talk
to the coaches, you don't get to know some of
the kind of inside things. But they were saying, how
at the beginning of the season, you could see that
Bellatick is a guy who's known for a lot of
exotic defenses, especially when you talk pre snap and how
(06:43):
they're lining up on what they're doing, and so he
was saying, how you could see a lot of that
in the TCU game. They were trying to do a
lot of different stuff and throw a lot of different looks,
and that lends itself to the point of that those
guys didn't quite understand what was being after them on
a down and down out basis, and that's why you
off some of the bust and coverage and some of
the bust in the run game that they have because
(07:04):
guys are confused. It was a lot bent on that
them NFL concepts were being thrown at them defensively that
they didn't quite get and so now, when you look
at the tape, they talk about how Carolina defense they
stripped it down. They made it very simple for them
so that they can go out there and not think.
And that's a classic thing for defensive coaches to kind
of and even on the offensive side too, when guys
they haven't struggles, but they strip things down and just
(07:27):
make it simple so that the kids don't have to think,
because thinking sometimes can be the kryptonite of a football player.
When you can just get our dren playoff for instincts,
we know that's when you get the best results. So
this team seems to be, you know, clicking on all
cylinders right now as far as just understanding what's being
asked of them.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Looking at some of the other games in the ACC
this weekend, West Virginia Duke is obviously the very big
intriguing one. I know that Boone is making his way
out there for that one along with Fiddy. This is
incredibly intriguing because Regina coming off of that loss two
Wake Forest and trying to obviously keep themselves positioned well.
These are two teams that I feel like, you know,
(08:06):
have shaky spots in their season, but also have the
ability to win this football game too. I think it's
one of the closer games we see in the conference
this week.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I mean this is a game with Duke and Virginia.
You look at it on paper, and we're still trying
to figure out Taylor Morris. What's gonna happen with him?
Is he gonna play? Is he not? Because that can
make a big difference in this game. And you know
Virginia's defense though against way Forst. They gave up less
than two hundred and fifty yards of offense, so they're
gonna be hoping to do that to mar going up
(08:36):
against Mensa darien Menta that is, and we know the
guarding numbers that this duke passing game has put up.
I mean Cooper bar Kate the leading receiving acc when
you talk yardage. So they've got their hands full with
this duke passing game. But the keeper of Virginia is
gonna be you know, can they put points on the
board because this Duke defense, they've shown that they won't
give up a lot of points as they've been doing lately.
(08:58):
So I would expect this game and I have some
interesting twists and times, and with Duke having them at home.
This is a big spot for them in Virginia. You know,
they're college football playoff holds. ACC championship hopes seem right
now to be way dimmer than they were a few
weeks ago, So for them, they're trying to fight to
hold on to that too. So you're gonna have two
desperate football teams out at tomorrow. That should be a
(09:21):
great game.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
NCU State Miami is the last one I'll get to
you with here West just because I think from the
standpoint of where North Carolina State sits, you know a
lot of people are looking at this and saying this
could be, you know, Dorian's last stand for those who
aren't necessarily in favor of keeping him around. But Miami
obviously has had their woes this year after having again
almost kings, like you say, the story every year with them,
(09:43):
great to start and then fading here near the middle
toward the end. Do you feel like you give the
wolf pack of punchers chance in this one on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Do you feel like it's all Miami?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, sure you do, because when you look at Miami
and the way that they play, they're just so inconsistent.
In the months October and November, when they lost that
game to SMU that put them at four and eleven
in the months of October and November. So this is
a crew that you just can't trust them, no matter
how much talent that they have. And it's like just
(10:15):
when you feel like that you've got to read on
what they're gonna do, then they throw you for a
loop and they kind of do the opposite of what
you think. And we know we talk about Mario Cristobal
and some of the issues that he's had when you
talk late game situations and coaching and things like that.
So yeah, there's a lot that lends itself to this
ben a close game, and not to mention that when
(10:37):
you look at I think the last seven games or
so in this series, they've been close ball games as well.
So this is another one to keep your eye on
and you're gonna be sitting there perhaps when you get
to the fourth quarter of Mt State is winning or
if you know this is a very very tight game,
you can't really be surprised when you go inside and
(10:58):
look at the numbers and look at how things go
when these two teams play against each other again.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
The game that Wes is on North Carolina wake for
us watching on the CW tomorrow at four point thirty
with all the coverage.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Wes have fun up there, Pal, Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
No doubt about it, man, Thank you guys. And yeah, man,
I had the acknowledge three years on the show. It's
been a blast. Everybody just helped us pull it off.
But appreciate it, man, and just excited. Hopefully it could
be another three and another three and another three.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Keep stacking wins, baby for to infinity.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Thank you man,
Time for the campus corner, and it is also time
for us to get a chance to check in with
Wes Bryant, who's up in Winston, sale and getting you
ready for North Carolina and wake Forest the big game
on the CW network tomorrow four thirty in Winston, of course,
getting you ready for that one, Wes. Obviously a big
contest for both sides. It's a rivalry game, two teams
(00:22):
with three losses inside the conference, wake Forest off that
big victory of Virginia and North Carolina is definitely resurgent.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
This is a very, very intriguing contest here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Will you got to make sure first of all that
you say counter when you say campus conor you know
what I'm saying. So maybe there's nothing you can work on.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I can, I can, I can work on being in
the ConA.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We can do it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah that's right. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We can do it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We can do it, Yeah, no doubt about it. But
now this is gonna be a fun one. A sellout
has been confirmed at way four, so it's gonna be
jumping in here like a bag of popcorn on two minutes.
You feel me, I'm excited, Yeah, I'm excited about it,
no doubt about. This is a rivalry and it's funny
just being in there talking to the wake Forest head
(01:10):
coaches and we got a good laugh because we were
talking about how, you know North Carolina fans that they're
always you know, neutral, long wait for us, So I
always hear how they're like, oh, yeah, we like wake Force,
we cheer for them all the time. And I'm like, well,
I'm glad that you guys do, because we never cheer
for you. We hate you, we don't like you, so
we don't want any sympathy. We don't want any support
from anybody. So that's going to be the fun part
(01:32):
about this one. That's why I knew this one would
be a sellout. And each team winning their games last
week just added to it. North Carolina fighting for a
bold spot, wait for is trying to continue to better
whatever bowl that they are going to be playing in,
as they are already both eligible. But most of all,
it's just good old fashioned hate, at least from our end,
(01:53):
and want to beat North Carolina, who has beaten wake
Forth in their last four games, and the last four
games in this series have been out about five points
or less, so these are great games. They're tough games
that close, games that you know. Fortunately for me to
self control, I still have my TVs and other devices
because these games have made me want to break things
(02:13):
very much.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So when it comes to when the red light comes on,
I know that you are a consummate broadcast professional and
you've had a couple of wake games this year, But
is is this one a little harder to be objective
in with with you?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, not at all, because the check comes first, you
know what I'm saying. So I got to make sure
that now, to make sure you secure the bag. You know,
I do subtle things though people watch me now, I
do do subtle things. I will react, you know, when
something bad happens, I might swamp my shoulders or my
head might go back for a second. Or when they
do something good, I do little slight fist pumps to myself,
(02:52):
you know, just those kind of quiet, hopeful fist pumps.
I'll do those. So you know, I do little things
sometimes because this is extremely difficult when you watch and
you know a team that you played for and you
care so much, will it PU already know? Man? You
know you didn't play for Charlotte f C. But you
know how much you can, how passionate you are about
that group. So when I'm watching, you know, my guy,
(03:13):
it's hard to to fully keep it going. So I
just try to do little things, you know, that don't
blow my cover.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
The big Virginia victory last weekend obviously showed a lot
of fight for wake Forest and Ashford. Season has been
incredibly mercurial up and down.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What do you make.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
If kind of as and again the stats don't have
to necessarily be guardy with him, but it almost kind
of feels like as he goes, they go in a way.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, no doubt about it, man. And so when you
talk about who were talking about Duke in Virginia and
you said what player? Did you say again, I'll.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Talk about as wait with wake I'm.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Saying, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no question. And so that's
been the thing with the passing game because demon clayboy.
The last three games, he's been under sixty yards rushing
and a lot of that has had to do. You know,
there have been some issues on some specific run played,
and he did have a decent amount of good runs
called back against North Carolina. But this passion attack, man,
(04:14):
it's got to get better. You've had Robbie Aster that's
been a little bit banged up kind of ever since
he that Virginia Tech game when he had the injury,
he missed the next game and then Party came in
against Oregon State and he was able to hit a
lot of deep shots against them. But you know, ever
since that Oregon State game, this passion attack has been
very you know, very mid, as the kids would say,
(04:38):
and that's at best. I mean, last week against Virginia
it just felt like once it got to a third situation,
third down situation that was over maybe five or six yards,
that it just wasn't going to get converted. Because that's
just where this past game is. And you know, talking
to offensive coordinator Robbie Zel, you know he's talking about
two injuries of wide receiver have affected that song too,
(04:59):
you know, but as far as the quarterback, you know,
he was saying that sometimes it is the throw it
and sometimes the receivers have to come up with plays.
And so tomorrow, you know, there's no excuses. You've got
to be able to come up with some plays and
that passing attack because this UNC defense right now is
as hot and as good as anybody and they are
a team that's going to be looking out to looking
(05:20):
to continue to prove that point tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, very very concerned about the North Carolina front. How
he goes up against Clayborn here tomorrow. It's up with
Wes Bryant, who's on of course, the North Carolina Wake game,
and thinking about the North Carolina side of this west obviously.
You know, Geo Lopez had one of his better games
against Stanford last weekend. Trying to see if you can
continue to build on that even though Wake Forest is
(05:44):
a favorite in this game. My two North Carolina friends here,
Fitty and Flound, seem to be pretty chesty and confident
that maybe North Carolina's turning the corner. How do you
feel about maybe Belichick rescuing something out of this season
for them?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, I do think that this is a team that's
getting better. And I kind of felt this was how
it was going to go, that they were going to
start playing well right when they got to this game here.
And you know, and I said last week when we
spoke to Carolina's coaches and they talked about how players
just really started to get it. They started to simplify things,
and I have the players thinking so much, and you know,
(06:21):
when talking to the way coaches, that was one of
the things they conveyed too. They said at the beginning
of the season, and that's why sometimes you know, saying
you don't get the context, you don't get to talk
to the coaches, you don't get to know some of
the kind of inside things. But they were saying, how
at the beginning of the season, you could see that
Bellatick is a guy who's known for a lot of
exotic defenses, especially when you talk pre snap and how
(06:43):
they're lining up on what they're doing, and so he
was saying, how you could see a lot of that
in the TCU game. They were trying to do a
lot of different stuff and throw a lot of different looks,
and that lends itself to the point of that those
guys didn't quite understand what was being after them on
a down and down out basis, and that's why you
off some of the bust and coverage and some of
the bust in the run game that they have because
(07:04):
guys are confused. It was a lot bent on that
them NFL concepts were being thrown at them defensively that
they didn't quite get and so now, when you look
at the tape, they talk about how Carolina defense they
stripped it down. They made it very simple for them
so that they can go out there and not think.
And that's a classic thing for defensive coaches to kind
of and even on the offensive side too, when guys
they haven't struggles, but they strip things down and just
(07:27):
make it simple so that the kids don't have to think,
because thinking sometimes can be the kryptonite of a football player.
When you can just get our dren playoff for instincts,
we know that's when you get the best results. So
this team seems to be, you know, clicking on all
cylinders right now as far as just understanding what's being
asked of them.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Looking at some of the other games in the ACC
this weekend, West Virginia Duke is obviously the very big
intriguing one. I know that Boone is making his way
out there for that one along with Fiddy. This is
incredibly intriguing because Regina coming off of that loss two
Wake Forest and trying to obviously keep themselves positioned well.
These are two teams that I feel like, you know,
(08:06):
have shaky spots in their season, but also have the
ability to win this football game too. I think it's
one of the closer games we see in the conference
this week.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I mean this is a game with Duke and Virginia.
You look at it on paper, and we're still trying
to figure out Taylor Morris. What's gonna happen with him?
Is he gonna play? Is he not? Because that can
make a big difference in this game. And you know
Virginia's defense though against way Forst. They gave up less
than two hundred and fifty yards of offense, so they're
gonna be hoping to do that to mar going up
(08:36):
against Mensa darien Menta that is, and we know the
guarding numbers that this duke passing game has put up.
I mean Cooper bar Kate the leading receiving acc when
you talk yardage. So they've got their hands full with
this duke passing game. But the keeper of Virginia is
gonna be you know, can they put points on the
board because this Duke defense, they've shown that they won't
give up a lot of points as they've been doing lately.
(08:58):
So I would expect this game and I have some
interesting twists and times, and with Duke having them at home.
This is a big spot for them in Virginia. You know,
they're college football playoff holds. ACC championship hopes seem right
now to be way dimmer than they were a few
weeks ago, So for them, they're trying to fight to
hold on to that too. So you're gonna have two
desperate football teams out at tomorrow. That should be a
(09:21):
great game.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
NCU State Miami is the last one I'll get to
you with here West just because I think from the
standpoint of where North Carolina State sits, you know a
lot of people are looking at this and saying this
could be, you know, Dorian's last stand for those who
aren't necessarily in favor of keeping him around. But Miami
obviously has had their woes this year after having again
almost kings, like you say, the story every year with them,
(09:43):
great to start and then fading here near the middle
toward the end. Do you feel like you give the
wolf pack of punchers chance in this one on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Do you feel like it's all Miami?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, sure you do, because when you look at Miami
and the way that they play, they're just so inconsistent.
In the months October and November, when they lost that
game to SMU that put them at four and eleven
in the months of October and November. So this is
a crew that you just can't trust them, no matter
how much talent that they have. And it's like just
(10:15):
when you feel like that you've got to read on
what they're gonna do, then they throw you for a
loop and they kind of do the opposite of what
you think. And we know we talk about Mario Cristobal
and some of the issues that he's had when you
talk late game situations and coaching and things like that.
So yeah, there's a lot that lends itself to this
ben a close game, and not to mention that when
(10:37):
you look at I think the last seven games or
so in this series, they've been close ball games as well.
So this is another one to keep your eye on
and you're gonna be sitting there perhaps when you get
to the fourth quarter of Mt State is winning or
if you know this is a very very tight game,
you can't really be surprised when you go inside and
(10:58):
look at the numbers and look at how things go
when these two teams play against each other again.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
The game that Wes is on North Carolina wake for
us watching on the CW tomorrow at four point thirty
with all the coverage.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Wes have fun up there, Pal, Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
No doubt about it, man, Thank you guys. And yeah, man,
I had the acknowledge three years on the show. It's
been a blast. Everybody just helped us pull it off.
But appreciate it, man, and just excited. Hopefully it could
be another three and another three and another three.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Keep stacking wins, baby for to infinity.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Thank you man,
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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