November 12, 2025 • 16 mins
In this edition of Wes's ACC Rankings, he gives you the conference power rankings and quarterback rankings after Week 11 of the college football season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's time for the campus Conda acc Power Hour.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's get it. Let's talk about it all right. We're
gonna start you out.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're gonna go three by three, and then we'll figure
it out towards the end how we want to divvy
this thing up. But the bottom three, Boston College still
holding it down at seventeen, Syracuse at sixteen, they got
stuff going to coaches talking crazy. It's just too much
going on in Syracuse right now and a lot of losing.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And then Virginia what did the coach say, Yeah, yeah, okay,
I want to keep our job.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Every going here.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'll catch do that all right. Then Virginia Tech at
number fifteen. So that's your bottom three, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
and Boston College.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have any problems with it.
What do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Virginia Tech's probably I mean, Boston College is pretty feisty too,
but Virginia Tech I would maybe say that the feistiest
of the bunch.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But I guess one question in a way that we
would discuss this with Miami being so bad without TUA
because of a lack of preparation in back of quarterback
and just your offense being so dependent on one guy. I mean,
I get it. It's hard to get one good quarterback
in college litt alone two should syracusepy this awful without
their starting for win things?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So, so it's in college football with the spacing and
you know how teams can score. I mean, it feels
like even an average team can get you twenty four
points in today's college.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean it is atrocious like that. That's the worst.
Talk about a passing attack. That's bad. That's the worst
passing attack without angeleral question about it. All.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right After that, we go Stamford at fourteen. Again, just
another feisty bunch. They tried to fight North Carolina, but
just not enough going on there. Then we've got Florida
State at number thirteen. They take the loss to Clemson
and they get beat handily after handily handling my Demon Deacons.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
There you go, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Then at number twelve and continuing to rise the North
Carolina tar Heels. They're playing pretty good football. I wanted
to put them a little bit higher, but I didn't
want to jump the gun. I know, we talked about
that a little bit this week, So I didn't want
to jump the gun, but they are playing pretty good ball.
When you talk defensively, they're as hot as anybody right now.
So we've got Stamford Florida State UNC at fourteen, thirteen
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and twelve.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, the conversation about UNC. I think if there was
something you were holding on hope to at the beginning
of the season, it was the fact that Bill Belichick
is smarter than you when it comes to x's and o's.
I have real concerns about his talent evaluation. Those problems
propped up or they popped up in the NFL, the
hirings and the firings like, there are some real issues
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that I'm not sure Bill Belichick has figured out. But
one thing that you can't deny is he smarter than
you when coming up with a defensive game plan. So
even with talent that I don't find to be as adequate,
and maybe that's changing too. Some of the intrusts I
know you've talked about those guys, they should be highlighted.
That's starting to rear its head as the season goes on,
and that's that's something I'm willing to buy into. That
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the guys are picking up the game plan and the
tutelage coming from Bill Belichick. That's something that I can
buy into. Are they great?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Are they going to be the better team down the stretch?
I don't think so. But are they better because of
that thing that we thought was gonna bear out at
some point that I can buy into?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
All right?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Next up at number eleven, we've got the Clemson Tigers
and it just kind.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Of end that gray area there where they're not very good.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But they're not as bad as the teams under them,
you know what I'm saying. I mean Clemson, they've got
the talent, but they just kind of play up and
down to the talent all season and it's resulted in
a lot of losses. Number ten NC State, they were
off this past week. We'll see what they offer coming
back to the thick of things after they beat Georgia
Tech and had a huge victory. So we'll see if
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that ignites their season. And then the Duke turnover, I
mean Blue Devils. The Duke Blue Devils are at number nine.
This is a team that, yes, they've got a lot
to like Cooper bar Kate leading the acc and receiving yards,
Darren Mince throwing it all over the yard and we'll
see where he lands. And this week's quarterback power Rink
is because we do value winning there as well, so
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that shouldn't Number eleven, Clemson, number ten, NC State number nine.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, this is an interesting group some of the teams that, yeah,
you could highlight all of them. I would say, I
have Duke needs to fall down. I mean, I respect
the talent, but if they're just going to turn it
over during winning time, then you can't trust this team
as a whole. The defense is pretty bad. That's surprising,
yes from Amanny Diaz coach grew tallent. What's going on
with Duke's defense? They're terrible. I have no problem with
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them being nine. If you wanted to put I don't know,
State's probably in the right spot. I think you did
a nice job here. I think Clemson is the team
that I can't help but go to as like the
best of the bad slash slightly mediocre squads. But they
still need to show us some more things, all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Right, Next up the next I'll go four here. So
number eight the cow Golden Bears one of the more
perplexing teams that you have because they can play good
enough to beat Louisville. But then they can have games
where they you know, turning it over and they lose
to Virginia Tech. So you don't know what you're gonna
get from this bunch every week. I hate watching that team. Yeah,
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I don't enjoy number seven and climbing the Wake Forest
demon Deacons. I would love if their offense was better.
I would have them a little bit higher than seven,
but their defense has carried them to their last two victories,
and that Florida State blowout is just hard to ignore.
Number six, I've got the Louisville Cardinals sitting there after
they lose two cow second loss of the season for them,
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And then at number five, I've also got two lost
Miami who may have the most talent, but it hasn't
shown up for them, and they are falling in the
critical junctures of the season, like they've done with plenty
of other teams.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yet Louisville falling to number six, I don't know where
they were last week, but they certainly weren't but later
at three, Yeah, I can't help but feel the best
about this team where they were five less, even with
some of the other squads that would be ahead of
them like I like Louisville more than I like SMU,
but Louisville is behind it. SMU at four and two,
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with SMU the Mustangs being five and one. Who do
I trust more? For some reason, I can't help but
go back to the Cardinals. Their losses have been close.
I do think Jeff Brohm is a fantastic coach, but
I also can't argue with the fact that they lose
to Cal a team I just said I hated watching
so Louisville.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Being here at six, louisvoll was two, Big John number two. Yeah,
that is a big job for them, all right. The
final four. I'm not talking March madness, but I've got
SMU at four. Virginia who And I initially made this,
I had them at seven because I wasn't sure about
their quarterback situation, but I looked it up and they
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could have Channel Morris this week against Duke. I don't
feel super confident, but I had to respect the record.
I had to respect some of the quality wins on
their resume, and so for now I'll keep them at three,
but I did have them at seven. Then I've got
Pitt sitting there in the number two spot right now.
Disruptive defense. They do give up some points, but they
are a disruptive group. When you talk sacks, tackles for
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lost Mason heinschrew throwing it all over the park. You
did have a couple of picks the last time we
saw him, but this offense is explosive as well. And
at number one Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, they're getting it done.
Only one loss on the season. How will they respond
as well? Can they run the table for the rest
of the season and hold it down for the ACC?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I feel icky looking at this top three. It is hey,
this is not trash. Yeah for ky I love Forky.
I feel like Georgia Tech. I feel like Uva Pitt.
I feel like they're all for ky here at the
top of the conference. Does this feel like a top
four that you want to go into battle with with
the other power for conferences Wes.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, no, especially when you talk about the top of
the top, the Big ten and the SEC's of the world,
because you feel like, man, you know, let's just say,
especially if Georgia Tech gets smashed by Georgia then you
really feel bad about it because you're like, which one
of these teams do you feel like and I think
the tail of the tape is with the way looking,
do you feel like that there's a team that can
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go on the road in the first round into playoffs
and win a game and you don't feel that way.
You know, Clemson had to go on the road. They
showed well last year against Texas. SMU absolutely got smashed,
And I think we're kind of in that SMU deer
in the headlight's territory for any of these teams that
win the league.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Haynes King is a great college football player at a
university right now that's five and one of the conference.
They're eight and one overall. I should feel a lot
better about that squad representing the ACC, and yet I
just can't help it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I think it's because of their lack of signature wins
that they have, and then we have some of the
other reasons as to why Miami is falling down Louisville
losing the COW I mean, that's such a tough loss.
That's the team I feel like I would trust the most,
but I can't because you keep losing these games, and
you lost to cal specifically.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Georgia Tech might be one that you could trust just
because of Brent Key's ability to win games against top
twenty five oposonents. He seems to get his teams up
for those types of games. That would be the only
reason I would say you could believe in them, though,
because this team lost to NC State. That's all you
need to know when it comes to trusting that, and even.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
The State loss. Again, I've said this a couple times.
When you have I think a special talent at quarterback
that still needs to put a lot of it together
with CJ. Bailey, but they have the ability to randomize
the game with just how explosive they can be with
some of the talent they have. I love the tight
end Joe Lee. We've talked about him, so they can
sneak up on you. But even so, Man Georgia Tech
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doesn't get sneaked up on right. They are the team
that doesn't seem to fall for some of those trap
games as much as a Miami does, which happens every
single year, and yet it happened to him anyway, hard
to trust any of these squads.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
All right, So let's get to it. Quarterback power rankings.
We're going to go there now. We'll start at the bottom.
There's been a little bit of moving and a shift
thing going on right now, because I do value wins
on top of statistics as well. But we'll start out
at number five.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Bailey twenty twenty five, he's got four to three hundred
plus yard passing games and for the season he's got
twenty four hundred and thirteen passing yards with twenty three
touchdowns that he is responsible for. At number four, Walker Mail,
I know the statement that you made last week where
you said you feel like that the top two is
pretty much locked in, Oh wow, but it is not
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because of the losses and the fact that he played
at integral part in this one two picks critical fumble.
Darien Menza, come on down here to the bottom of man.
Number four. He had two hundred and twenty two yards.
He did have three touchdowns two picks, the aforementioned fumble,
and in twenty twenty five he's got nine games with
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two plus passing touchdowns that ties a duke record. Number three,
Moving up just a little bit, Mason Heinschel from pitt
For the season. In five starts, he's got fifteen hundred
and forty seven passing yards to go with twelve touchdowns,
he's got three hundred plus passing yards and four of
his last five games. So you're talking about a guy
putting up big time numbers at number two and moving up.
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He got his team in position to potentially get back
where they were before. Kevin Jennings versus Boston College three
hundred and twenty six yards, two touchdowns, and in his
last two games, he's got back to back three hundred
plus yard passing games. That's the first time that has
happened in this young man's career. And in number one,
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he had the week off talking about Haines King two
six hundred and forty two total yards, he's got twenty
three touchdowns he's responsible for, and he's also responsible for
seventeen and a half points per game. That is six
and all college football. Who was number three? Number three
was Mason Hinschaal Maine Pitt. Mason Heinschel, Yeah, not a dog.
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It's his guy, of course.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yep. It's been a while, Wes.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I don't think we got I don't think we got
a surprise ranking all year long that change.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Okay, I like that because it was the same guys,
different order.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was so I appreciate that. I think Darien Menser
should be top two.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Still. Well, I mean, I know he's got als.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I know, I know he's got bad losses, and you know,
he's got some bad turnovers.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He's got bad turnovers.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
He still has five less interceptions than Kevin Jennings. He
has five less interceptions than Jks, three less than CJ.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Bailey.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It had been a while since he thrown interceptions. He's
throwing downfield, he's completing passes at a high rate, at
a seventy efficient. He's really efficient. And it's the defense
that is absolutely atrocious. And they do not subscribe to
the theory of complimentary football.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, but you know, also, I had this debate earlier
in the week with the coworker from the ACC Digital network.
I am a quarterback win lost that guy and we
had a big.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Debate about that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He's like, I don't think that should be a quarterback
stat and I say, yeah, I think it should be.
And so yes, even though he's put up some guarding
numbers and he's on some things, but also even though
the defense is giving up a lot of points, he's
also had empty drives where the offense could have come
through and saved the day.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Hasn't done that.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And again, like I said, you know, just bad turnovers
in that last game, and he's had other games where
he's had some critical turnovers as well. So you know,
I value winning into this equation too, And so that's
one of the reasons that he took a tumble.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
All Right, you're gonna have to ask your defense to
help you because you can do everything you can run.
The two interceptions are bad, yeah, and the funnel at
the end of the game that cost them on the
game winning drive. Now, I just see so many zeros
before four or five games without an I int know
his defense not helping him.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know, and he and again too, I look at
empty drives as well in critical junctures too. But yeah,
to your point, dog Walker, when you talk talent wise,
numbers wise, and what he's been doing, Yeah, he's right
up there.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There's no question about him. Last thing some people.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Have asked about Mensa as an NFL draft prospect, I
honestly don't know like he All I know is the
dude throws downfield with incredible accuracy. He's done it at
two different levels. Now, I don't know what NFL draft
scouts are saying about him, but he is pretty damn
good here at Duke is like.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
A size thing.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't know, like, is there something I'm missing with
Mensak think he'll end up that's that's interesting. Draft scouts
do like they might have somebody that has all the tools.
There might be some Josh Allen type prospect in Monto man.
He's six three two five, so he's got that box check.
Though it's not bad, you know, I think that when
you look at.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Mensa, I think after the season that he's had, I
would imagine that he's probably gonna be pretty high up
when you talk next year, when we start talking big prospects,
I think he will probably be a projected first rounder.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Would I would say? So? I mean, what's there not
to like? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He doesn't necessarily have that howlitzer of an arm, but
he's got good enough arm strength, very accurate. So yeah,
I don't see any reason why Darien Mensa couldn't be
a first or second.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Round play type of Does he bring sixty.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Three six.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That would be good.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm good with that, And I mean he'll probably put
on waiting off season come back next year.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Two fifteen to twenty. You never know again with what
NFL teams like. Is there something that I just am
not seeing? But in terms of what I watch every
time Duke plays and all the highlights that he has,
I think he has more NFL caliber accuracy downfield than
you see from a lot of these other guys that
deservedly deserve to be up towards the top of the
acc But I mean Kevin Jennings or Darien Mensa, I'm
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taking Mensa, Haines King or Darien Mensa.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'm taking Mensa in terms.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Of an NFL pro style offense, what I would want
to run, how I'm how accurate my QB is.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like from a pure talent standpoint, I do love Mensa.
But that is an intriguing argument you bring to the
table when you talk about him and Kevin Jenns.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I like, I was gonna say, Haines King, there ain't
no way in hell, man, I mean, he gosh, dude.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
In the NFL basically is he tebow lights?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Hebo light very much, so very much. That's the thing
that worries about him in the playoffs. I mean, you're
gonna go to I don't know, somewhere cold with a big,
nasty defensive line and he about to be running that
thing twenty times and throwing it all over the yard.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean Johnny.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Manziel did, and he wasn't a big quarterback either, But
I mean Texta and them didn't go to the playoffs.
It wasn't around then when he was there, so we
wouldn't have gotten a chance to see that. But Hans King,
he's a lot more, you know, measured with his play
than Johnny Manzel. But that's the thing. I'm like, how
long can he keep physically taking this pound
Let's get to it.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's time for the campus Conda acc Power Hour.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's get it. Let's talk about it all right. We're
gonna start you out.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're gonna go three by three, and then we'll figure
it out towards the end how we want to divvy
this thing up. But the bottom three, Boston College still
holding it down at seventeen, Syracuse at sixteen, they got
stuff going to coaches talking crazy. It's just too much
going on in Syracuse right now and a lot of losing.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And then Virginia what did the coach say, Yeah, yeah, okay,
I want to keep our job.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Every going here.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'll catch do that all right. Then Virginia Tech at
number fifteen. So that's your bottom three, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
and Boston College.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have any problems with it.
What do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Virginia Tech's probably I mean, Boston College is pretty feisty too,
but Virginia Tech I would maybe say that the feistiest
of the bunch.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But I guess one question in a way that we
would discuss this with Miami being so bad without TUA
because of a lack of preparation in back of quarterback
and just your offense being so dependent on one guy. I mean,
I get it. It's hard to get one good quarterback
in college litt alone two should syracusepy this awful without
their starting for win things?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So, so it's in college football with the spacing and
you know how teams can score. I mean, it feels
like even an average team can get you twenty four
points in today's college.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean it is atrocious like that. That's the worst.
Talk about a passing attack. That's bad. That's the worst
passing attack without angeleral question about it. All.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right After that, we go Stamford at fourteen. Again, just
another feisty bunch. They tried to fight North Carolina, but
just not enough going on there. Then we've got Florida
State at number thirteen. They take the loss to Clemson
and they get beat handily after handily handling my Demon Deacons.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
There you go, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Then at number twelve and continuing to rise the North
Carolina tar Heels. They're playing pretty good football. I wanted
to put them a little bit higher, but I didn't
want to jump the gun. I know, we talked about
that a little bit this week, So I didn't want
to jump the gun, but they are playing pretty good ball.
When you talk defensively, they're as hot as anybody right now.
So we've got Stamford Florida State UNC at fourteen, thirteen
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and twelve.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, the conversation about UNC. I think if there was
something you were holding on hope to at the beginning
of the season, it was the fact that Bill Belichick
is smarter than you when it comes to x's and o's.
I have real concerns about his talent evaluation. Those problems
propped up or they popped up in the NFL, the
hirings and the firings like, there are some real issues
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that I'm not sure Bill Belichick has figured out. But
one thing that you can't deny is he smarter than
you when coming up with a defensive game plan. So
even with talent that I don't find to be as adequate,
and maybe that's changing too. Some of the intrusts I
know you've talked about those guys, they should be highlighted.
That's starting to rear its head as the season goes on,
and that's that's something I'm willing to buy into. That
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the guys are picking up the game plan and the
tutelage coming from Bill Belichick. That's something that I can
buy into. Are they great?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Are they going to be the better team down the stretch?
I don't think so. But are they better because of
that thing that we thought was gonna bear out at
some point that I can buy into?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
All right?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Next up at number eleven, we've got the Clemson Tigers
and it just kind.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Of end that gray area there where they're not very good.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But they're not as bad as the teams under them,
you know what I'm saying. I mean Clemson, they've got
the talent, but they just kind of play up and
down to the talent all season and it's resulted in
a lot of losses. Number ten NC State, they were
off this past week. We'll see what they offer coming
back to the thick of things after they beat Georgia
Tech and had a huge victory. So we'll see if
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that ignites their season. And then the Duke turnover, I
mean Blue Devils. The Duke Blue Devils are at number nine.
This is a team that, yes, they've got a lot
to like Cooper bar Kate leading the acc and receiving yards,
Darren Mince throwing it all over the yard and we'll
see where he lands. And this week's quarterback power Rink
is because we do value winning there as well, so
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that shouldn't Number eleven, Clemson, number ten, NC State number nine.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, this is an interesting group some of the teams that, yeah,
you could highlight all of them. I would say, I
have Duke needs to fall down. I mean, I respect
the talent, but if they're just going to turn it
over during winning time, then you can't trust this team
as a whole. The defense is pretty bad. That's surprising,
yes from Amanny Diaz coach grew tallent. What's going on
with Duke's defense? They're terrible. I have no problem with
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them being nine. If you wanted to put I don't know,
State's probably in the right spot. I think you did
a nice job here. I think Clemson is the team
that I can't help but go to as like the
best of the bad slash slightly mediocre squads. But they
still need to show us some more things, all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Right, Next up the next I'll go four here. So
number eight the cow Golden Bears one of the more
perplexing teams that you have because they can play good
enough to beat Louisville. But then they can have games
where they you know, turning it over and they lose
to Virginia Tech. So you don't know what you're gonna
get from this bunch every week. I hate watching that team. Yeah,
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I don't enjoy number seven and climbing the Wake Forest
demon Deacons. I would love if their offense was better.
I would have them a little bit higher than seven,
but their defense has carried them to their last two victories,
and that Florida State blowout is just hard to ignore.
Number six, I've got the Louisville Cardinals sitting there after
they lose two cow second loss of the season for them,
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And then at number five, I've also got two lost
Miami who may have the most talent, but it hasn't
shown up for them, and they are falling in the
critical junctures of the season, like they've done with plenty
of other teams.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yet Louisville falling to number six, I don't know where
they were last week, but they certainly weren't but later
at three, Yeah, I can't help but feel the best
about this team where they were five less, even with
some of the other squads that would be ahead of
them like I like Louisville more than I like SMU,
but Louisville is behind it. SMU at four and two,
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with SMU the Mustangs being five and one. Who do
I trust more? For some reason, I can't help but
go back to the Cardinals. Their losses have been close.
I do think Jeff Brohm is a fantastic coach, but
I also can't argue with the fact that they lose
to Cal a team I just said I hated watching
so Louisville.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Being here at six, louisvoll was two, Big John number two. Yeah,
that is a big job for them, all right. The
final four. I'm not talking March madness, but I've got
SMU at four. Virginia who And I initially made this,
I had them at seven because I wasn't sure about
their quarterback situation, but I looked it up and they
(06:37):
could have Channel Morris this week against Duke. I don't
feel super confident, but I had to respect the record.
I had to respect some of the quality wins on
their resume, and so for now I'll keep them at three,
but I did have them at seven. Then I've got
Pitt sitting there in the number two spot right now.
Disruptive defense. They do give up some points, but they
are a disruptive group. When you talk sacks, tackles for
(06:59):
lost Mason heinschrew throwing it all over the park. You
did have a couple of picks the last time we
saw him, but this offense is explosive as well. And
at number one Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, they're getting it done.
Only one loss on the season. How will they respond
as well? Can they run the table for the rest
of the season and hold it down for the ACC?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I feel icky looking at this top three. It is hey,
this is not trash. Yeah for ky I love Forky.
I feel like Georgia Tech. I feel like Uva Pitt.
I feel like they're all for ky here at the
top of the conference. Does this feel like a top
four that you want to go into battle with with
the other power for conferences Wes.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, no, especially when you talk about the top of
the top, the Big ten and the SEC's of the world,
because you feel like, man, you know, let's just say,
especially if Georgia Tech gets smashed by Georgia then you
really feel bad about it because you're like, which one
of these teams do you feel like and I think
the tail of the tape is with the way looking,
do you feel like that there's a team that can
(08:03):
go on the road in the first round into playoffs
and win a game and you don't feel that way.
You know, Clemson had to go on the road. They
showed well last year against Texas. SMU absolutely got smashed,
And I think we're kind of in that SMU deer
in the headlight's territory for any of these teams that
win the league.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Haynes King is a great college football player at a
university right now that's five and one of the conference.
They're eight and one overall. I should feel a lot
better about that squad representing the ACC, and yet I
just can't help it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I think it's because of their lack of signature wins
that they have, and then we have some of the
other reasons as to why Miami is falling down Louisville
losing the COW I mean, that's such a tough loss.
That's the team I feel like I would trust the most,
but I can't because you keep losing these games, and
you lost to cal specifically.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Georgia Tech might be one that you could trust just
because of Brent Key's ability to win games against top
twenty five oposonents. He seems to get his teams up
for those types of games. That would be the only
reason I would say you could believe in them, though,
because this team lost to NC State. That's all you
need to know when it comes to trusting that, and even.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
The State loss. Again, I've said this a couple times.
When you have I think a special talent at quarterback
that still needs to put a lot of it together
with CJ. Bailey, but they have the ability to randomize
the game with just how explosive they can be with
some of the talent they have. I love the tight
end Joe Lee. We've talked about him, so they can
sneak up on you. But even so, Man Georgia Tech
(09:33):
doesn't get sneaked up on right. They are the team
that doesn't seem to fall for some of those trap
games as much as a Miami does, which happens every
single year, and yet it happened to him anyway, hard
to trust any of these squads.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
All right, So let's get to it. Quarterback power rankings.
We're going to go there now. We'll start at the bottom.
There's been a little bit of moving and a shift
thing going on right now, because I do value wins
on top of statistics as well. But we'll start out
at number five.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Bailey twenty twenty five, he's got four to three hundred
plus yard passing games and for the season he's got
twenty four hundred and thirteen passing yards with twenty three
touchdowns that he is responsible for. At number four, Walker Mail,
I know the statement that you made last week where
you said you feel like that the top two is
pretty much locked in, Oh wow, but it is not
(10:24):
because of the losses and the fact that he played
at integral part in this one two picks critical fumble.
Darien Menza, come on down here to the bottom of man.
Number four. He had two hundred and twenty two yards.
He did have three touchdowns two picks, the aforementioned fumble,
and in twenty twenty five he's got nine games with
(10:44):
two plus passing touchdowns that ties a duke record. Number three,
Moving up just a little bit, Mason Heinschel from pitt
For the season. In five starts, he's got fifteen hundred
and forty seven passing yards to go with twelve touchdowns,
he's got three hundred plus passing yards and four of
his last five games. So you're talking about a guy
putting up big time numbers at number two and moving up.
(11:09):
He got his team in position to potentially get back
where they were before. Kevin Jennings versus Boston College three
hundred and twenty six yards, two touchdowns, and in his
last two games, he's got back to back three hundred
plus yard passing games. That's the first time that has
happened in this young man's career. And in number one,
(11:31):
he had the week off talking about Haines King two
six hundred and forty two total yards, he's got twenty
three touchdowns he's responsible for, and he's also responsible for
seventeen and a half points per game. That is six
and all college football. Who was number three? Number three
was Mason Hinschaal Maine Pitt. Mason Heinschel, Yeah, not a dog.
(11:52):
It's his guy, of course.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yep. It's been a while, Wes.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I don't think we got I don't think we got
a surprise ranking all year long that change.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Okay, I like that because it was the same guys,
different order.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was so I appreciate that. I think Darien Menser
should be top two.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Still. Well, I mean, I know he's got als.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I know, I know he's got bad losses, and you know,
he's got some bad turnovers.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
He's got bad turnovers.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
He still has five less interceptions than Kevin Jennings. He
has five less interceptions than Jks, three less than CJ.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Bailey.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It had been a while since he thrown interceptions. He's
throwing downfield, he's completing passes at a high rate, at
a seventy efficient. He's really efficient. And it's the defense
that is absolutely atrocious. And they do not subscribe to
the theory of complimentary football.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, but you know, also, I had this debate earlier
in the week with the coworker from the ACC Digital network.
I am a quarterback win lost that guy and we
had a big.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Debate about that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
He's like, I don't think that should be a quarterback
stat and I say, yeah, I think it should be.
And so yes, even though he's put up some guarding
numbers and he's on some things, but also even though
the defense is giving up a lot of points, he's
also had empty drives where the offense could have come
through and saved the day.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Hasn't done that.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And again, like I said, you know, just bad turnovers
in that last game, and he's had other games where
he's had some critical turnovers as well. So you know,
I value winning into this equation too, And so that's
one of the reasons that he took a tumble.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
All Right, you're gonna have to ask your defense to
help you because you can do everything you can run.
The two interceptions are bad, yeah, and the funnel at
the end of the game that cost them on the
game winning drive. Now, I just see so many zeros
before four or five games without an I int know
his defense not helping him.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know, and he and again too, I look at
empty drives as well in critical junctures too. But yeah,
to your point, dog Walker, when you talk talent wise,
numbers wise, and what he's been doing, Yeah, he's right
up there.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There's no question about him. Last thing some people.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Have asked about Mensa as an NFL draft prospect, I
honestly don't know like he All I know is the
dude throws downfield with incredible accuracy. He's done it at
two different levels. Now, I don't know what NFL draft
scouts are saying about him, but he is pretty damn
good here at Duke is like.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
A size thing.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't know, like, is there something I'm missing with
Mensak think he'll end up that's that's interesting. Draft scouts
do like they might have somebody that has all the tools.
There might be some Josh Allen type prospect in Monto man.
He's six three two five, so he's got that box check.
Though it's not bad, you know, I think that when
you look at.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Mensa, I think after the season that he's had, I
would imagine that he's probably gonna be pretty high up
when you talk next year, when we start talking big prospects,
I think he will probably be a projected first rounder.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Would I would say? So? I mean, what's there not
to like? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He doesn't necessarily have that howlitzer of an arm, but
he's got good enough arm strength, very accurate. So yeah,
I don't see any reason why Darien Mensa couldn't be
a first or second.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Round play type of Does he bring sixty.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Three six.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That would be good.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm good with that, And I mean he'll probably put
on waiting off season come back next year.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Two fifteen to twenty. You never know again with what
NFL teams like. Is there something that I just am
not seeing? But in terms of what I watch every
time Duke plays and all the highlights that he has,
I think he has more NFL caliber accuracy downfield than
you see from a lot of these other guys that
deservedly deserve to be up towards the top of the
acc But I mean Kevin Jennings or Darien Mensa, I'm
(15:33):
taking Mensa, Haines King or Darien Mensa.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'm taking Mensa in terms.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Of an NFL pro style offense, what I would want
to run, how I'm how accurate my QB is.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like from a pure talent standpoint, I do love Mensa.
But that is an intriguing argument you bring to the
table when you talk about him and Kevin Jenns.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I like, I was gonna say, Haines King, there ain't
no way in hell, man, I mean, he gosh, dude.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
In the NFL basically is he tebow lights?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Hebo light very much, so very much. That's the thing
that worries about him in the playoffs. I mean, you're
gonna go to I don't know, somewhere cold with a big,
nasty defensive line and he about to be running that
thing twenty times and throwing it all over the yard.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean Johnny.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Manziel did, and he wasn't a big quarterback either, But
I mean Texta and them didn't go to the playoffs.
It wasn't around then when he was there, so we
wouldn't have gotten a chance to see that. But Hans King,
he's a lot more, you know, measured with his play
than Johnny Manzel. But that's the thing. I'm like, how
long can he keep physically taking this pound
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