A Canine Call-In Episode with Maureen Van Zandt, Brad Paisley & Your Calls!

"Naked Lunch" Goes To The Dogs as Phil and David are joined by Phil's beloved dog Murray -- star of The Daily Murray -- and David's adorable puppy Stevie for a special canine-themed call-in episode featuring special check-ins from two of our favorite past "Lunch" guests: Maureen Van Zandt calls in with her dog Miss Tiggy-Winkle to discuss the brilliant new documentary about her rock star of a husband,  "Stevie Van Zandt: Disciple" out now on HBO & Max plus Country Music superstar Brad Paisley -- our first guest and the creator of our theme song -- calls in about the dogs in his family's lives.  All this plus Phil offers a joyous report from the recent wedding of his son Ben Rosenthal and his new daughter Delaney Rosethal. To find out more about the great new Steve Van Zandt documentary, go here: https://www.hbo.com/movies/stevie-van-zandt-disciple. To learn more about building community through food and "Somebody Feed the People," visit the Philanthropy page at philrosenthalworld.com.

Episode Transcript

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We love Tropical Smoothie Cafe. Welcometo Naked Lunch goes to the dogs.
Yeah, it's we're usually going tothe dogs, but we literally have our
dogs. Today was the first meetingof Murray and David's pretty new dog.
Right when did you get Stevie?Two and a half three months now?

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Stevie, who's six months old thisweek. He's a sweetie pie. Thank
you. He's having a great time. He's very impressed with the cool older
kid, Murray. But they're sochill with each other time. They're so
nice. You know's a COVID dogand we always worry that maybe he'll be
overprotective of his turf, Right buthe took to Stevie immediately, and even

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you, David. He seems tolike you usual and Will our producer.
They seem to like each other.Yes, isn't that nice? And Murray's
sitting here with his big smile.I'm gonna say, you tell me what
your favorite thing is about Steven.My favorite thing about Murray is that smile
he kills me. I have totell you. That's so true. And
kavapoos they don't like until recently.He I think as they get a little

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older, they start to smile more. Also, is that warmer and they
pant more. So it looks likethat, but I don't care what the
reason is. I see that smileand I smile exactly. I love it.
I think that's a Justin Bieber song. Yes, I think my favorite
thing is my wife is perplexed thatthere's a creature in the house that loves
me, and I think it maybecause I may. You know, what

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else do dogs like to smell?We know that what they like to smell,
and maybe I'm more closer to thatscent. But for some reason,
I like to be loved and it'svery I'm so happy Stevie's here. Today
because Uh, he's a little poofedout because he got groomed yesterday, but
tomorrow he's getting a procedure that iscommon with young dogs, male dogs,

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and so I feel like this ishis last hurrah, Like I'm if I'm
the way home, I pass acat house, I'm doing a Yeah,
he taking me, He's a thisis this is going to be a much
Well, I can tell you thatit didn't make Murray less manly. Good.
Yeah good. So don't worry,uh people. Not only is it
dog Day afternoon here on Uh NakedLunch, but we're taking your calls.

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And for our first call, thisis thrilling because a past Naked Lunch guest,
Uh Maureen van Zandt, is callingin with her dog to talk about
UH dogs and the new Stevie vanZandt documentary that is just fantastic out now
on on on Max on HBO.It's brilliant, Maureen. Let's build the

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beans, chew the fat food fordog jokes on taip, talking with our
mouthsful, having fun with the peacecake and humble pie, serving up slaze
lovely the dressing on the side.It's Naked Lunch clothing option it's Maureene.

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Ben zaid, we're so happy tohear from you again. Well, I
am happy to be here. Idon't have my Italian meal, but I'm
here. But you do have yourdog with you, right always? Yes?
And can you tell us a littlebit about your dog and we'll we'll
brag about our dogs, because thisis gonna be the first column. Well
well, and there by the way, there so far no dog wars,

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which is good because my dog wouldlose any war. Well mine would be
the loudest, that's for sure.But yeah, tell us about your dog.
Oh, I have Tiggy. Hername is Miss Tiggy Winkle. She's
eight months old. Why's up aserious name, Maureen, because I'm just

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a really, really serious person.Actually, the breeder named her after one
of the characters in the Beatrix Potterseries. All of her litter were named
Peter Rabbit and Miss Muppett. AndI had all this huge list of names
when I was going to pick herup, and then I saw her and
I said, she's Miss Tiggy Winkle. I'm leaving the name, and that's

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who she is. She's a CavalierKing Charles Spaniel. He's eight months old,
and she's wild and crazy and justlearned to bark a lot. So
I'm having fun. Maureen. Weare related then, because I am holding
my cavapoo, which is half acavalier, right and half a poodle,
And so I feel we are evenmore connected. And I want to say,

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now, I don't know if itwould be this dog, I guess
not, but in the we arewe want to I want to tell you.
And I don't know if Phil gotto watch it yet because he's just
had a wedding in the family andall this, but I have watched the
Steve van Zant documentary Disciple. Isthat the title, that's right? It's
called Stevie van Zant's Disciples, Yeah, Stevie van Zant Disciple, which is

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one of the best documentaries forget music, one of the best documentaries I've seen
in a long time. It's onHBO, Is that right? Our mats
correct? And it will be airingfirst on Saturday, June twenty second,
which is a couple of days.Yeah, right, And this is probably
we'll maybe rush this episode out sowe can. I want to say it's

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great. It's great, not justbecause of your contribution, how much and
yours. But it is literally adream come true for me because with all
that Stevie and you, with yourhelp, all that you've done, and
all that he's doing in you know, in education, about music, about
all he's done to you know,ending apartheid, that was a pretty good

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thing to do, I think,especially here we're talking on it on Juneteenth.
All of that is put in perspectivein a way I never have seen
it all put together other than thebook. But it's to see it come
alive and to see all the voices, including Eddie Vedder, who I think
deserves an Oscar and an Emmy forhis surprising comic turn as the wittiest interview

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subject of all time. I absolutelyagree. I just couldn't stop laughing at
everything he said, and I didn'tthink of him in that way, but
now I have a whole different pictureof him. Well, and Hi love
and in the in the doc andin the book. One of the great
lines that is a dog since we'redoing our first naked lunch, goes to
the dog's episode with I'm holding I'mholding Stevie right now, my Stevie.

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We all have Stevie's but one ofthe great lines in the book and in
the documentary, is that when wheneven even your brilliant husband had a career
moment where things were sort of slow. He said, he has a great
line, what is it, Iwalked the dog? So I walked the
dog for six years or eight years, something like seven years, for se
seven years exactly. And if youdon't know how he remembers exactly how many

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years it was. But I believehim when he says that. Yeah,
And is there a little truth tothat line? Since Steve tends to be
very truthful, I would say it'smostly truthful. Of course, knowing Stevie,
I think you know what kind ofperson he is. He was never
totally not working or thinking in thattime. He did do some record productions

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and writing and things like that.But I think, you know, he
doesn't feel like he's working unless he'sworking, you know, thirty six hours
a day. Yeah. Yeah,But I would say he said, spent
a great deal of time with herfirst cavalier, who was named Jake,
and he kind of really, youknow, had a lot of time to
reflect and and then things started happeningagain, which was wonderful. It is

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wonderful. We've been following of course, do you go on tour with him?
No, I mean, in thebeginning I did do that, but
you know, I've got things goingon myself, and and you know,
I'm not really great at, youknow, following somebody around all the time.
I think it's it's a lot offun when when you first do it,
but after a while it's like that'stheir work and that's their life,

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and I don't really have a reasonfor being there. I do go visit,
but if the location is great,the shop Stephen closed, the shopping
cities, that's where I go.That's it. See, when the location
is good enough, maybe I aminterested in you. Is that for Monica
as well? Do you do thatto you? It's okay, that's right.

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I totally understand when I do thetravel show, you know, Monica
and even the kids that they cancome. I'm happy if they come all
the time, but they come tothe places they want to go see.
Of course, you know when heknows that, who just laughs about and
he says, okay, I'm goingto be in London to say you're coming,
right, and yes, and that'sit. He knows me too well

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by now. And by the way, as I think we in our episode
that we did with Maureene and Stevie. Uh, that's Stevie. Maureene has
a really she has a lot ofstyle, as you can tell from looking
at her in the documentary in thebook. But I think travel wise,
you have a flair like I oneof Maureene is one of the few people

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I asked because I hadn't I beena student in London. I'd been there
a lot early years of Rolling Stone, but I hadn't been there in years,
and she gave me a great recommendationfor a hotel. So, Phil,
if you ever don't know something aboutLondon, I don't know a lot.
Yes, ask Maureene because she isshe has style. Do you do
you want to say? Your favoritehotel in London The Covent Garden Hotel gorgeous.

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I love it. It's so greatand the location is great as the
most charming little place. I lovethat breakfast there, it really is.
It's great. They have the littlechairs out in the street and it's a
very quiet street. I also loveClarages, but that's a whole different vibe.
That's if you want something very fancy. And the Cousin Gardener is sort
of it's like home. It's likebeing in the village where we live that

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feels familiar in a way, butjust a lot more civilized and beautiful.
But it's great. They really theytreat us wonderfully there, and it's just
a very cool place that I love. The little library upstairs where you can
go and have a tea or adrink, and it's just a place they
always look forward to staying it.Have you found hotels that accommodate dogs.
We My wife has never had adog until like two months ago, and

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all of a sudden had this.It was all about her choice to get
Stevie. But I have not traveledwith a dog. I had one as
a kid. If you found hotelsin the world that accept your dog and
welcome your dog, well, mylast dog, who I had for fifteen
years, we just lost her inSeptember. She couldn't fly anywhere because she

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had a condition called Kiari malformation,where it's some sort of neurological things,
So I never really got to travelwith her except my car. But I
do know the four seasons hotels are. I've always been very accommodating, but
I think a lot of them arenow. Yep, I think more than
not. O High Valley in outhere has always been wonderful with dogs.

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I don't know if you've been there. That's a beautiful part of the country.
No, no, I haven't,but I do think people are I
mean everyone has a dog now,you know, even those little tiny,
you know, boutique dogs. Youknow. I'm sure all the hotels are
much more accommodating. And you're theones that I have stayed and they've given
you a bed and you know,treats and things like that. So I

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haven't had trouble. But again Ihaven't really had the full experience of traveling.
I am going to start traveling withTiggy, so we'll see what happens.
Very nice and with the documentary comingout, how what's it feel like
for you? Because it was emotionalfor me and it's not my life I
have. I'm not in it.I didn't do anything, but I found
it very emotionally beautiful. And bythe way, if you could mention the

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director and producer who I think theydid a great job for you. Oh,
they were wonderful. The director isBill Tech, who actually got involved
in this because he approached me onTwitter. So as much as I say
social media is terrible and all that, this would probably not have happened this
way. I mean, maybe theywould have eventually found each other, but
that's kind of how it started.And he's just a real fan and he

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was already very knowledgeable about Stevie,so I think that really helped going in.
And Rob Cotto was incredible. ProducerDavid Fisher also, these guys are
guys who this subject meant a lotto. It wasn't just let's do a
documentary about this guy. It waslike, we believe in what this guy
does and who he is. AndI think they really caught that. And

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I think they really you know,of course, I've been through most of
it all, and I think theycaught a really really good picture of him
and really included as much as theypossibly could from from what he's done and
what he's been through. So I'mso thrilled what they did. Yes,
it was very emotional. Even thoughI was there and the story, things

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came back to me that I hadforgotten and it was very moving to me,
and I think everybody else saw itwith us felt the same. Well.
Stevens's career is in life is certainlydocumentary worthy. Singer, songwriter,
producer, activist, educator, justincredible performer, actor, so many I

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mean, he ticks all the boxes, doesn't he. Is there anything that
you feel is some hidden talent wehaven't seen yet? Oh my goodness.
So he's pretty good at picking horses. I think that's a valuable I don't
encourage that'll be the documentary where helost everything, but yeah, no,

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he kind of, you know,does everything. And the documentary is two
and a half hours, which soundslike it's long, but it moves very
very quickly. How can you covereverything? That's what I mean. They
could It could have been and itwas way longer, of course, and
HBO was kind of like, okay, three four hours, no, but

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yeah, it could have been.But I think that they really edited this
beautifully and I think they captured everythingthat they needed to capture. Can't wait
to see it. Well, thankyou, Maureen, it's wonderful to talk
to you. And do you haveany questions for our dogs? They're getting
along well, Maureen, I justwant to say, uh, I'm so

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thankful, like you say, Twitteractually brought us together. I actually know
I've talked to your producer, yourbill, your director. I mean I've
I've gotten to know them through Twitter. Well, so despite the efforts of
a current ownership, there's good thingsthat come of it, and you've always
gone out of your way to beso kind, including when my wife took
me from my delayed birthday present tosee the Springsteen show here in LA I

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got to thanks to you, Igot we got to go back and uh
and talk to our other favorite Stevieare not our favorite non dog Stevie.
Although what's weird is having to namea dog. I realized half the people
I worship are named Stevie. WonderNick's van zand and now not the Kavapoo,

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no one you know, no nobrainer for that name, right,
It's a great name, ste Buthe said no exactly. Well, thank
you so much for being our firstcaller, and of what I now feel.
Because the dogs are getting along,it could be the first of many
naked lunch doggy style shows. That'sprobably not the I think it goes to
the dogs. I think it's ghostto the dogs. I meant it in

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a snoop dogg sense. Yes,I think we need a visual next time
though, Yeah, okay, nexttime. Well, great, thank you
for thank you for talking to usof course great to touch you guys always
and have fun the rest of theshow. Thank you, Thank you so
much. See you bye, David. At summer, have you had a

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and I'm calling from Monroe, Washington. Well, Hi, Roger, this
is Phil Hi. Hi. Andhere's David Hi. Hi. And do
you know I'm sitting here with ourdogs too. My dog Murray is right
next to me, and David's newdog, Stevie is with him, and

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no one's fighting and they're friends.Yes, they're new new friends. My
dog with me too. Oh that'snice. What's your dog's name? Mudge?
Mudge? Uh huh? I lovethat name. Where'd you get that
name from the book series Henry andMudge? I love that? That's so

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those must be great books for youto name your dog after it. Anyway.
So I got to meet you andLily at your book signing in Florida.
I bought you dark chocolate peanut buttercups. Ah. That's why you
were my favorite person I've ever metin my whole life. Anyway. So
I'm going to Hawaii with my naYeah and Grandpa in October and it's a

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six hour plane ride. What's justmy favorite thing to do on the plane
when you travel? Okay, that'sa great question. So first of all,
I look forward to whatever food isgoing to be on the plane.
That's always fun, a big surprise. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not
so great. That's why I alwaysbring it, maybe a snack or two
that I like. And then Idownload a lot of movies and TV shows

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on my iPad, And what's funnyis a lot of times I never even
get to them because the first thingI do is flip through what the airplane
has? What are they showing?And I kind of always find something there
that I haven't even think thought tosee or missed. So unless I'm so

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involved in the TV series and Imust see the next episode, I'll watch
what the movie has. But Ias a safeguard, I download a lot
of stuff and podcasts and things becauseyou want to make the time go quickly.
My favorite thing to do on aplane, though, is to fall
asleep. Yes, anyways, sothank you very much. And I love

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Somebody's beat bill, Oh aren't younice? And those dark chocolate peanut butter
cups were unbelievable. Thank you.My favorite thing, how old. Are
you? I am ten years old. I turned yesterday. Oh hey,
happy birthday, Happy birthday. Thankyou. I also think a long flight.

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A long flight can be a greatway to discover if there's a TV
series that you always wanted to checkout and you've been waiting. I once
was flying too back from Europe andI decided to watch all of the first
season of Handmaiden's Tale, which isnot for ten year olds. It's still
recommend that to me. I'm notrecommending that for you, but it was
a great way to spend like fourteenhours on a plane. I went through

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the entire first season and I've neverI loved it, and I've never gone
back for season two, which maybeI should now. Is that a question
for you too, David? Ohboy, Oh that's that's too kind.
Okay, Please have you ever beento Taylor Swift the Aras Tour. I
have been to earlier tours. I'venot been to the aerostour. I was

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not around when it was here,and I have watched the you know,
the Disney Plus rendering of it,and I loved it. But did you
get to see Taylor Swift? Notin person? But I did see the
Disney Plus. Yeah, I willsay I have had the pleasure of seeing
her grow up working on TV showsthat she's on, and it's amazing.

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Like I remember when she and MileyCyrus were pretty much kids and they dueted
on their Grammys their first time together. They did a sort of a little
a little spontaneous in the I'm notSpy. They were hearsted, but it
was a sort of just the twoof them in the center of the arena
at the Grammys. And it's amazingto think how they've gone on to conquer

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the world and in their different ways. Love to see that. I'm a
fan of both, me too.Thank you very much. It's good to
talk to you, my friend.You have a good trip to Hawaii with
your grandparents. That's so sweet andnice. You will treasure that memory forever.
Thank you. Hey will all right, you take care of my friend,

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all right, give muda hug.Bye. Okay, Hello, you're
here with me. My name isSophia and my dad Sam. Sophia and
Sam. That's a sounds like agood sitcom. We are a sitcom.
How you doing today? Where areyou calling from? We're calling from Chicago,

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my favorite. Well you're our favorite. We're going to ask you what
your favorite restaurant in Chicago is Monthof Verde. That didn't take long,
did it. No, this ismy dad Sam. He has a question
for you as well. But no, we have never been. I was
thinking about food pairings and music becauseyou seem very involved in Well, we

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noticed the like Street Drive connection becauseyou know them of course. Oh that's
cool. Yeah, yeah, youcan see it on YouTube their their appearings.
But David, of course I Icould. I could probably do the
food part and David is probably betterat the music part. Oh well,
yeah, we're trying to think oflike this is an offshoot of all the

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fine work that you do, butlike food pairings with different music genres?
Well, okay, I mean it'sobvious, you know Dean Martin and martiniz
right, But yes, to goback, you know what I would do.
I would I would mix it upa little. In other words,
something that you think would go togetherwould be, let's say, pizza and

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rock and roll. But what ifyou did pizza and classical? Oh?
Absolutely, you see, especially ifyou get the right pizza going. I
mean, let's say you're you're you'reout in the park, and the and
the the orchestra is playing in thepark like a free concert in the park.
You're listening to classical music. Firstof all, what's better than having
a picnic with sandwiches and stuff likethat? But a pizza is just as

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good. It just has to begood right right to the music. David,
correct me if I'm wrong. Butpeople are attracted to music and certain
kinds of music because it makes themfeel a certain way where we love to
have our emotions stirred. Usually it'scompletely pleasurable. I don't think anybody really

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listens to music to get depressed unlessthey just had a breakup and they want
to hear something very sad. Right, we do have to wonder about people
who constantly listen to metal or industrialnoise music. But yes, I think
you're right. Well, i'll tellyou what. I here's the suggestion.
They can't stop jumping around to eatanything. Well, I think it's interesting.

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We all have now, and it'smaking them happy because they're jumping around,
right, they don't need to.I make it a policy never to
judge musical taste because it's like tastebuds. It's like exactly, we need
it It's like I like that there'sa range of taste. But I will
say, here's what I you haveinspired me. I think we should do
the Naked Lunch challenge, which islike over this summer when we lose a

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great musician, like just for instance, there's a great French female artist,
Francois Hardy, who died in thelast week or two. Like I think,
what I think would be nice ishave a you don't have to get
naked for the Naked Lunch, butwe go outside, put on a plane,
yes exact, but have a Frenchmeal. It's like I would like

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to right now be having We're havinggreat sandwiches. Where are these sandwiches from
Monroe? Plays is so good?Our dogs are both onto us and trying
to get a little of the atleast of the turkey. But I would
say, like, why not playFrancois Hardy, discover a great catalog of
music and have French onion soup ora baguet and you sit outside and reflect

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on, you know, and listenwhatever. If someone likes Toby Keith,
you know, do that for TobyKeith, get you know, you know,
chicken fried steak and play Toby Keith, Red, White and Blue,
Toby Keith, whatever it is,I think the pairing idea, I think
it's a good way to celebrate people, right, you can celebrate all the
different flavors and all the different tastesin music and food. And this is

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there's actually a book I have athome that's like jazz artists and their menus.
What I have to look it upand you let us know what always
we'll talk about it. That soundsfantastic. I have just I kind of
lost the title in my head,but I know it's sitting on a shelf
to the right of the speaker,so I know where it is. On

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your question of pairing, well askmy final question here. We'll let you
get back to what you're doing.But do you have a dream pairing dream
musician and lunch with them? Whatis being served when your dream musician is
serenading you? Right? Well,I had I'll tell Phil you want to
do a second, I'll do myI actually feel like I experienced this dream
when for my wife's birthday not thatmany years ago, we went to Rome

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and we looked up what was happeningon our birthday and the food tour.
I think that everyone recommended was closed. It was a Sunday or holiday,
and so instead we looked up whowas performing and Bob Dylan was performing at
the Roman Baths. And what Iremember about that was we we went naked,
not naked, probably a good thing, but we went out early and

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a handsome Italian policeman my wife wentup to to at least she said it
was to ask for where we shouldget dinner, and he said, go
to Italy. And she was like, we're in Italy and we went to
I think it must be the originalor one of the original Italy's in Rome
and it was fantastic. And thatwas before Now you can go to Italy

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in America anywhere, right, yes, here in Chicago, but yeah,
you don't go to Rome and eatin Italy. Mine would be I would
listen to this song, Oh whata night, such a beautiful night,
and I have a played Apasta andI give my wife one end of the

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spaghetti and I take the other round. That's the nicest pairing this is.
This is doing a little Disney cartoon. In my eyes, I love it.
I love it. Just here's whatit has to be. Both things
have to be delicious, right.The music has to be delicious to you,
and if it is, then itdoesn't matter what you eat. As

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long as that is also delicious.You don't have a bad meal. It
just has to be great. Itdoesn't fact. We have probably all had
fantastic meals that were fantastic, maybenot because of the food, but because
everything else was so perfect, themusic, environment, the moment you met
your wife or whatever it was.I always say, all the senses are

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connected, and so what you're feelingat that moment, and even the air
pressure, the humidity, the temperature, who you're with, where you're sitting,
what you're looking at, how comfortableyou are, it literally affects your
taste. Buds. Yep, weagree absolutely, So Sofia, your music,
your food. Oh uh, Idon't know. Bonnie Rate, nice,

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nice mind. We had an amazingmeal last night that I would I
would eat while listening to Bonnie Rait. Sarah. We had a good meal.
We had a large steak and alarge summer salad. It was pretty
perfect. Who doesn't like that,by the way, Uh, it's Sophia,
right, Sofia, if you likeBonnie Rate, I'll be self servicing,

(29:45):
self servicing, self serving self servingenough to say, if you go
to the Grammy Museum website, Idid an hour and a half interview with
her about her life and music education. And if you if you love her,
I would check it out because shealso performs and I don't sing,
which is a good thing. AndI did an hour and a half steak
dinner. If you're interested in that. Wow, both sound excellent. I

(30:10):
will do it all right, montaVerde. That's my advice for you today.
It's in the Chicago episode. Ifyou want to see it, we
have seen it. Then you shouldbe going. He should be going.
And when you come back, we'llhave you tour the block near where we
live, on our Gaa, whichis called aision Argyle, and there's just,

(30:32):
I don't know, fifteen amazing restaurants, amazing restaurants. Not how lucky
are you? I know you canwalk there and stumble home. It's perfect.
And then my Chicago recommendation is anEthiopian restaurant called Tesla Phenomenal. I
love it. I love Ethiopian toogreat, it's so good. What is
it called the sort of pancake orthe sort of thing in the giro in

(30:57):
Jira, It's like to pick upthe food. It's brilliant. It's your
food and your fork at the sametime. It's brilliant. See the mom
at Tesfa makes the jira for manyof the Ethiopian restaurants in the neighborhood in

(31:18):
Chicago. She's the source. Awesome, she's I don't know why, but
she is. Why not? Thankyou so much. By the way,
this whole time we've been speaking withyou, our dogs have been sitting here
so well behaved. I want toI'm just very impressed with them. They
enjoy podcasts, I think. Yeah, give them a pad on the head,
a treat. Maybe they get alittle steak, A little little steak,

(31:41):
A little steak and a little bodie. Right, nothing wrong, Thank
you both. Thanks for calling lovelyto talk to you. Thank you for
talking to us. We appreciate it. We're big fans. Oh thanks hi

(32:06):
brad Hi, guys, how youdoing today? I miss you? When
are you coming back to la He'snot that far for right now, hopefully
you're going to be around there onthe fourth yeah, fourth of July ish,
yeah that week? Yeah? Canwe see you? Can we eat?

(32:28):
Let's get together? Should we goto a game? We can eat.
We can, we can. Wecan definitely do that. I know
what you're not gonna eat at thegame. Yeah, we just have to
go into it. Brad. We'renot talking Dodger dogs. We're talking actual
dogs. So can you tell meyou you love I know you love your
dogs. Your family loves their yourdogs. Did you grow up with a

(32:49):
dog and how was that important?No? I wanted one my whole life.
I was not allowed to have oneas a kid. My parents just
were never dog people until mine andthey're all in on mine now, but
they they wouldn't let me have one, and I kept trying. I even
had an uncle going to give mea docs, and they wouldn't even let

(33:12):
me have a free dog. Sothey just didn't do it. But as
soon as we got married, wegot our first dog. And it's the
greatest experience outside parenting children, andsometimes better than anything you've ever done.
It's just they really are a superiorcreature. I agree. Did you have

(33:36):
the dog before you had the kids? Yeah? Yeah, that was that
was really her first. She wantedone or the other, and I went
with dog. By the way Iwould I would tell this as a public
service. Very good training for kidshave a dog for see how you handle
that. Yeah, I mean they'revery similar. And in the sense that

(34:00):
like no matter what, no matterhow tired you are on a certain morning,
you know, yeah, you gottado certain things and feed them and
you know all that stuff that's notalways at the right you know, if
it's been a really late night,like Kim was out of town last week

(34:21):
and I had the two dogs,and ours are now getting older, and
one is in really good health.But other than the ACL surgery, which
comes more than any procedure I've everheard on myself. Yeah, Tommy Joe,

(34:42):
Well, well I don't think it'sTommy john if it's the back ones.
But this was a c O,this was torn a cl this was
wide receiver injury, and uh,you know, and and in that sense,
but she's great, like she's theyfixed her up. She is back
to everything she never was. Andthen but our other dog is a rescue.

(35:06):
I don't know it's history at allother than when we got him when
he was a year or so old. And he's an amazing guy. And
he's a larger dog. He's morelike a Pyrenees meets a Golden Retriever or
something, and he scared us todeath two years ago with what we thought
was a mass on his liver woundup being a liver like an infection on

(35:30):
his liver. They had to removea third of his liver. Told us
he had a fifty to fifty chanceof even surviving the surgery. He got
through that completely, was totally good. And then he ended up with this
thing called lore angel paralysis, andit got so bad that the only way
to save his life was to sortof do this procedure that kind of permanently

(35:51):
opens the windpipe and you have tohand feed him. Now, but he's
thriving. Yeah, he's able tobreathe. Then, you know, I
find you'll do anything, ye forthese guys, anything they need. I'm
afraid vets know that too, theydo. And and Brad, we got

(36:12):
good ones, though we got wegot good vets. Like every like everything
else, there's there's great ones andof course tricky ones. How do you
think dogs? Having dogs has impactedyour have has impacted your children and your
family. They are in love withthe dogs, and the dogs are in
love with them. And they thesedogs that we have, we're both like

(36:35):
our our first dog was the dogsthey were born already having, and they
fell in love with him. Hedied and he got about well was it,
and it might have been ten yearsago. He that is unfair,
lived yeah, but he lived toHe lived to ten years old, which

(37:00):
he was not old for what hewas. But he his breed. He
was a Cavalier Charles Spaniel that youknow. He was basically pure bred.
And in that sense, like wedidn't we hadn't rescued a dog yet,
both of the dogs we have inour rescues, which I really recommend.
It's because he had an attitude.He knew, he knew we paid good

(37:23):
money for him and the other two, especially Who, the larger dog I
was talking about being a rescued they'rethankful for everything, and there is an
attitude of like who was found asa stray on the streets of one of
the counties in Tennessee, as apuppy and hungry, heartworm, all of

(37:44):
it. They got him back tohealth Newterden, you know, and he
became ours. So he never forgotsomehow, he's never forgotten that. And
Annie, on the other hand,was a rescue from a puppy mill.
The littler dog he he thinks wepaid three grand, but she's got that

(38:05):
attitude. Yeah, she was afreebie, I tell her that. But
I don't know if you understand.But but I think in that sense,
like when our when our first dogpassed away, our kids were young,
but they were old enough to knowwhat was going on. And it's traumatic,
yes, as hard as anything I'veever I hate that we have to

(38:30):
learn that lesson, but I guessfor kids it's probably a good preparation for
even tougher lessons in life. Imagine. I don't know what's tougher. Maybe
not tougher lessons, but I thinkI think it is because it's every life
lesson rolled into one. It's likethe big life lesson. Is One of

(38:51):
those things that I really think theyteach you is the value of time and
that it's that it passes very quicklyand because their lifespan is so unfairly shorter.
Yeah, that's the unfair thing Iwas talking about. Yep. And
you know, in that sense,like you ask, you know, in
that painful moment which most of thetime you're going to experience, you learn

(39:19):
you have to ask yourself a lotof hard questions and one of them is
you know, would I do thisagain? Was it worth it for this
painment? And the answer is alwaysfor me, it's it's it's the best
advice I can give someone. Iwait, I wait a respectable amount of
time before suggesting it. But it'salways got another dog, I always.

(39:44):
I mean that's the thing. Andwhat we did, like whot the dog
we got, we got him beforethe first dog passed away, So we
had already that our dog was havinghealth problems and we decided this would and
it did give Holler our first dog. We had Hooton Hollar for a little
while. Now we have Hooton Nanny, and who gave all her life,
he gave him. He gave hima reason to sort of like be a

(40:05):
little more active. Yeah in theend. Nice. Yeah. My dog
Murray's part great Pyrenees also, butI say he's part Great Pyrenees, part
psychopath. Yeah yeah, yeah,and that I do unconditioned the greatest dog.

(40:27):
He's the greatest dog with incredible Instagramcoverage. I I I actually used
him like a pimp. Can youtell us the story of what was the
actual I know he was the He'sthe epitome of a COVID dog who came
into your life, right, you'dalready ordered, you'd already sort of found
him. I swear to you,lock down same day announced you know,

(40:49):
nobody's going anywhere. That's the daywe got him, just by chance.
And then and then this thing ofperfect It is perfect because I don't know
if it was like that where youlive, but uh, it was hard
to get dogs after a few weeksof COVID because everyone had the same idea,
wait a minute, we're locked inhere. We can get a puppy,

(41:09):
have the time to train and bondwith the puppy. And there was
a dog shortage during COVID. Yeah, so we were very lucky in that
way. The problem became, obviouslythat a lot of people once COVID ended,

(41:29):
had bitten off more than they werewilling to choose. Yeah, that's
cruelty. Yeah, yeah, andit's it's been a rough thing. I've
been working with some rescue groups lately, and yeah, one thing that is
that we did recently speaking of theCOVID lockdown, which kind of mirrored what
happened with the store. Yeah,you know all about that, Yes,
our grocery store that's free groceries.It's it's groceries with dignity and all that.

(41:52):
Yes, we did. We havea vet in Tennessee. Her name
is Molly and she works at meeach animal hospital. And Molly's kind of
a rock star. She's got agreat Instagram page. I don't know it
offhand, but you guys should addthis in when I'm done. Kim follows
her. Mollie had this idea andshe came to us and said, can

(42:17):
we do a free vet clinic forthe clients of the store. And so
we did the greatest single day welast year. We did a toy store
which was a free toys for Christmas, which was I thought would be the
most magical thing we ever did.Had all the kids come in and they
got to pick out certain toys andstuff the way Unity Shop does. We

(42:39):
did a free vet clinic. Wetook over the building next to the store.
Like six veterinarians came in set upstalls to see these animals. Everybody
brought in their animals. We sawover two hundred dogs and cats and they
got micro chip vaccinated, tested,blood tests. Uh Anibo left with whatever

(43:04):
medification medication they needed. They wereand everybody that came in with. Some
of them had bigger dogs, someof them had little little left dogs,
had kittens. They would come inlike we found out, you know in
the course of the day that oneof the dogs was pregnant. Wow,
you know, like if they needednewter. They left with an appointment all

(43:27):
of those things and not the peoplebut the dogs. And so they came
in with all of this and I'venever seen anything like the look on their
faces, Unlike when they come getthe groceries, where this is a bittersweet
thing. They're getting a free grocerything. They don't want to be in
that situation, but they're glad thatit's there. This was nothing but pride.

(43:50):
They were so excited for all ofus to see their animals, like
to meet the other member of thefamily. They sat down, they got
these you know, they had anoptometrist, were dogs at this There were
dogs that had cataracts that they wereworking on. They I mean, it
was like there was better care thanmine, alms getting like all of a
sudden, these people were so happyand there was just all there was no

(44:14):
barrier between person running charity and recipient. It was literally we're all in this
trying to help these animals. I'venever felt anything like them. Can I
ask a question about that? Youknow you talk about like in the nurturing
with your animals again, because thisis new to me relatively Again, I
feel like sometimes my wife looks atme, like when I'm with the dog,

(44:35):
and she goes, oh, yeah, this is why I liked him,
like when he was a good dadto our babies. Like it's just
like you get to show a lovingside that you maybe don't get to do
it well. Dogs make it easy, don't they. Yes, because they
offer something they do and offer unconditionallove. They don't know what a bum
I am. Right, They're soexcited to see you at the end of

(44:58):
the day, no matter how stupidyour podcast Murray. I mean, I'm
stupid right now, and Mary's justlooking at me like you are the best
we know. And you know,it's like my wife has caught me when
when I didn't realize she was watchingsort of like having a conversation with Annie,

(45:20):
and it makes her fall in lovewith me again in a way that
I could never intentionally do. Right, forgive me if I don't, if
I don't know this, but haveyou written the dog song yet. No,
there's been some good ones. Butyou could write a great old old
shep will get you. Yeah,but you could write a great you know.
It's like, I don't know,maybe I know. You could argue

(45:45):
that the Naked Lunch theme by BradPaisley is a dog song. It's about
us. It's about because it's aboutus two old dog old dogs. No,
but uh, I mean just whatyou were saying about the loss of
a dog and everything, there's there'sa profound lesson in there. Yeah,
that song material, I think,Yeah, you're probably right, I should
probably think about that. They'll comea moment why I feel the need probably

(46:10):
to do that. Yeah, butit's it is the most like, you
know, we're in that phase nowwith hours where I mean, you know,
if I was in Actuary, Iwould be looking at and he's probably
good to go for a while,I hope. Knock on wood. We
realized this. The surgery that wegave him this year was the last ditch

(46:31):
attempt to save his life and itdid amazing And I even told Kim I
had to pick him up. Shewas out of town the day that he
was ready to go, after hehad spent a night in the Blue Pearl
Animal Hospital after they cut into hisneck permanently featured his windpipe open. You

(46:52):
know, we have to really becareful when we feed him and when he
gets water. Now he can aspiate, but he's learned, like he's already
learned that if I eat too fast, I choke. You know, he's
kind of learned that. And andI called Kim the knight that I picked
him up. She was out oftown and drove him home, and she
said, what do you think?And I said, it was already worth

(47:12):
it. Oh, this is theonly day he got if it was the
only day he got out of thesurgery was worth it because he was able
to breathe. He was not able. It was the saddest thing you've ever
seen. He was not able tobreathe. And now now I can.
But you know, in that sense, I think we all, we all
become better people because of these creatures. I love them so much, they

(47:36):
really do. They make us better. And the older I get, the
more I love them. And anddid you grow up with a dog.
No. I had a very sadstory of a puppy when I was nine
that my parents that you know,they both worked and it was just too
much a new puppy. And aftera few weeks, uh, my mom.

(47:57):
I came home from school and mymom had given them the away.
And I was, I mean talkingfrom devastated, devastated, absolutely devastated.
I couldn't believe it because you know, when you're nine and you come home
from school, the only thing youwant to see is your new best friend,
right, And that was just thatwas awful. But I do,

(48:19):
I do forgive her, and Iunderstand why she had to do it.
Listen, if I was better attaking care of the dog myself, she
wouldn't have had to do that.But listen, kids, Yeah, I'm
not going to blame the nine yearold or five year old Richard. Let's
blame Richard. He could have doneYeah, let's blame him. So I

(48:39):
saw the episode of Raymond where hethey wound up with that bulldog. That's
right? Is that based loosely onthat a little bit? A little bit
but from the Mets. Yeah,that was my team also when I was

(49:00):
knowing. By the way, soit has a that was sixty nine Mets,
So that's uh, it's all tiedin. So that yeah, that
episode was. It was so adorablethat we love that dog too. That
bulldog incredible and the perfect dog forbred Garrett right with that face perfect as

(49:22):
well as the fact that like,well you know, it's funny too when
you think about their lifespan, theythey transcend this decade and a half that
they at most they'll get right theylike I think back to like I tried
to adopt the dog. I triedto adopt the dog when I first got

(49:44):
a record deal and was out andhad a hit, and I went to
somebody in Nashville that was selling aJack Russell. Yeah, and and I
and I went and bought this JackRussell puppy. I just went and bought
it. And I was so Iwas so stupid. I was twenty seven
years old, out of my radiotour. I was leaving forty eight hours

(50:07):
later on a six week radio tourand bought a dog. That's what people
are dumb, and I'm dumber thanmost. And it's like I had to
go to my vessel. Yeah.No, I had to go to my
best friend and his wife and say, will you guys possibly look after this

(50:30):
dog? Oh a few weeks becausewe were that close and he was like,
yeah, we'll do it. Butthat night, that night I slept
the dog slept in the bed.That night I fell in love with this
thing. I named it Highway andwent the next day back to the person

(50:50):
that sold it to me, andI just said, I've done the dumbest
thing I can do. As muchas I want this dog for the rest
of my life, I'm gonna haveto give him back. Oh but by
the way, there's the country song. You got to write a song called
the dog called Highway, like imagininghis life. That's that's I can't believe

(51:12):
that hasn't been written yet. I'mgoing to write it well then and then,
luckily, you know, the nextweek she sent me a text and
showed me a picture of these thisfamily with this dog that had come in.
These couple of little kids and thisdog. It was just a way
of better life, and he woldtaking Highway. I don't know if they

(51:34):
kept the name or not. Butwhat's so funny is you think back to
things like that now, and youthink back to the dog, and everybody
loves Raymond, and guaranteed they've they'vemoved on to the other realm. Of
course, they're not here, ButI think about that and I think,
oh man, that would be thatit would be long gone. And it
doesn't feel that way, you knowwhat I mean. There's so timeless.

(51:57):
By the way that Jack Russell onon Frasier, Oh long gone, right
of course, but what are longgone? But that thog was that was
that had a big supporting role onthat show. Oh yeah, probably underpaid.
Well, Brad, uh anything youwant to tell the people what you're

(52:20):
working on or where you I knowyou did Stage Coach with Post Malone.
That was awesome to see. I'mworking on uh new music, but there's
nothing to announce quite yet. Buttoo well, one day when it's time,
I'll call back in you can callback anytime. We love you and
I love your family and say hi, it's been too long. So I'm

(52:43):
going to see you in a fewweeks. I know, yes, July
it's the date we don't do thatand we'll have Dodger Dogs well, honor
Phil. And by the way,I can't wait to listen to the rest
of the episode that I'm not inwhen this comes out, because I want
to hear this. I know howabsolutely gone, smitten hopeless David is oh

(53:07):
well, if he's a he's acute. Have you met him yet?
Have you met Stevie? No,but he he's seen tons of pictures.
I've only gotten daily updates. Yes, And he actually was one of the
like the first day or two.I was like, it's a lot.
A puppy is a lot. There'sa lot of baby because it was like
the house training part of it,and it's like it's a lot. Yeah,
And I have to tell you,like, it's great as you get

(53:28):
older your friends can give you likejust know you so well. He was
like, you're gonna love this.And it's just like when you advised me
to go to New Zealand and notjust Australia, you knew. It's like
I said, I told my wife, like when I got to New Zealand,
it's like I feel like I'm homefor the first time. Like you
know. So it's good to listento the advice of your friends and Stevie

(53:50):
and Stevie is making friends right nowwith Murray. They're they're talking. It's
very cute. Are they are theyboth there? Yeah, but they're both
to Stevie the first time they've met. Yeah, And Murray has been so
sweet and kind to Stevie welcoming him. Ah, and Stevie is occasionally a
yippie, but been very good too. I think I am sending I'm texting
you right now, Brad, apicture of what's happening right this second.

(54:17):
It's pretty cute. Uh you seeit? Not yet, it's coming.
I have the slowest Internet connection ofall time right now? Are you driving?
No? I thank god? Oh? If I can say when you

(54:38):
talked about when, when Brad wastalking about you know, the people,
the dogs who are long gone orwhatever. Last night I went to the
Greek Theater to see a concert byDaryl Hall and Elvis Costello together together.
They're touring. It's it's Elvis goesfirst, and then all goes on after

(55:00):
an intermission, and it was andthen did they team up? They didn't
team up at all, even thoughthey have a song they did together called
the Only Flame in Town. Elvisdid it, but he didn't do it
with Darryl. I hope that theywill do that eventually. I'd love to
see that. But why wouldn't theydo that together? You ask me rock
stars and dogs, you can't reallyknow because you can't ask them. They

(55:22):
can't speak, but in any case, it was amazing because I was seeing
so many old friends. My wifeis like, is there anyone here you
don't know? It was like everyonein the world. Jeff Ross, who's
been on the show, was arow behind us. Are they both still
they must both still be in greatvoice and doing great Elvis was in Elvis

(55:44):
we saw a year ago and Ithink, of hell stuff wasn't in great
voice, and he was in greatvoice last night. It was amazing was
he with his band? With theattraction He's not only the it's the impostors,
you know now, because it's mostof the attractions without the bass players.
All the attractions without the bass player. And then on this tour,
and I think on some other recenttours, Charlie Sexton, who is an

(56:05):
amazing Texas guitar player who toured withDylan, joins the band It's a great
band. Wow. And then Darryljust doing you know, it's basically a
lot of the members of the Hallof Notes band doing his solo stuff,
but also tons of the great Hallof Oats songs, including a song called
It's Uncanny that I didn't ever thinkI would be hearing. Last night and

(56:27):
it was so great. It wasgreat. But the amazing thing was just
seeing so many old friends. Andat one point I looked behind me.
I was looking for friends, andI thought, I said, is that
so and so? And then Irealized, no, so and so died
like a year and a half ago, so probably not. It's like so
it is. I think it's ametaphor for life. Go see your heroes
when they're out on the road,Go see your you know, and go

(56:50):
see your friends and bring your dog. Hey. By the way, I
got the photo, and that's unbelievable. Is that cute? I've been seeing
the photo. Here you go.I send it to you too. All
right, well, thank you somuch, Brad, you guys you're the
best. Love to the family.Yes, sir, YouTube bye bye.

(57:19):
While we have a minute between calls. Uh, you know what happened to
me this weekend? Okay? Exactly? Okay? Phil? Uh you have
gone through one of wife's major events. Yep, uh uh and it's not
menopause. No. Can you tellus what happened in your world this weekend.

(57:39):
I became a new dad. Igot I've I've loved this person for
six years and now she's officially partof the family because my son Ben got
married Sunday to Delaney Harder, whois now Delaney Rosenthal. By her choice,

(58:02):
she joined the family. We hada tiny wedding. So for those
of you listening who weren't invited,nobody was invited. This is a very
smart thing to do. I thinkno one can be offended. No one
was invited. It was just Delaney'simmediate family and my immediate family, eleven
of us up in Napa. Gorgeous, great food at this place, because

(58:30):
all we did was we went tothe hotel restaurant who had a room,
and I have to say it's thebest sit down meal I've ever had in
a Here's the other thing at awedding. Here's if you have a small
wedding like that. It turns outthat you could be engaged just a few
weeks before the wedding and have itanywhere you want in June. You can

(58:52):
have a June wedding this year ifyou keep it tiny. That's like the
tiny house movement. The tiny weddingmovement is a beautiful idea. I think
it's a great I really think environmentallya great idea. Think of all the
people not traveling. We had afull weekend with the new family. We
had met them obviously before and hadmeals and things with them, but this

(59:14):
is a weekend of fun, alittle wine tasting on this day, breakfast
over here, dinner over here.The wedding, you know, is the
wedding very short and sweet, andthen it's just us having fun. And
it was just lovely. The bestman was Delaney's brother. The maid of

(59:36):
honor was Ben's sister Lily. Herdad made a toast, the best man
made a toast. I made atoast. It was just special. We
all cried, we all laughed.I listen, I'm not opposed to big
weddings. I'm sure what I savedon this wedding. I'm gonna make four

(59:58):
make up four on lily wedding.But there's something to be said for keeping
it small. And I don't haveto tell you how expensive a wedding is.
There's a whole industry around it.But what if that money was put
to I'm not going to say betteruse, but I'm gonna say maybe more
useful use, like even the honeymoonor a house that I have to say,

(01:00:25):
I may have to cut this out. But yes, my in laws,
my father in law pulled me asideand said, well, we'll throw
you a big wedding, yeah,or we can throw you a small wedding
and put a down payment on thehouse for the same amount of money.
And what happened. We voted.I voted for the house, and friend
voted for the wedding. And guesswhat, we had a wedding. And

(01:00:46):
that's why you live under the freewaynow in a box with Stevie. I
get it. I'm not gonna beI'm not going to say one one is
better than the other. But fromthe dad point of view, I think
from the male point of view,I'm gonna say, which is sexist and

(01:01:06):
wrong to say even But I Iyou know, I told Ben was,
oh, I don't know about this, and that I'm like Ben, you
she is number one on the callsheet right, this is her movie.
Yes you're an extra. Yes,that's it. That's I got that immediately

(01:01:28):
when we planned our own wedding.And by the way, you know I
love Ben and Lily. I youknow, we've had them on the podcast.
You can listen to Why We LoveThem. I know, you know,
Phil has loved them slightly longer andmore, but I love them.
But Delaney in her own right isjust an amazing young woman musician. Run
and I didn't I know the musicpart of it, Like, is there

(01:01:51):
some new movie she's in? Shemade a video music video that you can
see on YouTube. Delaney Rosenthal.She's on KTLA tomorrow. I mean this
will have aired already, but I'msure you can see that appearance on YouTube.
Also, if you want to seea beautiful, really smart, really
talented person, watch Delaney Rosenthal.Everybody, my new daughter. My name

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is Sanna and I am calling fromThree Lakes, Wisconsin, Oh Cheese country.
How you doing? This? IsPhil And I'm sitting here with David
and we're sitting here with Stevie andmore importantly, the Daily Murray. Start
of the Daily Murray, Murray thedog who's being the best host ever?

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I love the Daily Murray's. Well, this is the best birthday present a
girl, an older girl could askfor. Well, happy birthday. And
who says you're old? You?I'm not saying it. Well, Medicare
does very good. Lie, thankyou because I officially qualified. Nice congrat

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Listen, they're perks right you movies. Yes, not as expensive. I'm
planning on taking all of it foradvantage of all of it. Yes,
that's what I do. Yes,So how are you today? That's thrill.
Are you having a good birthday?I am having a good birthday.

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This is so fun for me becausemy husband and I moved from the Chicago
area over forty two years ago tonorth central Wisconsin, so I'm not close
to any of the big cities andi live in rather a food desert.
Actually, you will be driving almostan hour tonight to a restaurant to get

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a decent meal, and I'm lookingforward to that. But yeah, I
listen to your podcast. I've seenevery episode of Somebody Feed Bill and I'll
have What Still is Having? Thankyou. I just love the joy that
you guys bring to the world.So thank you. The luckiest guy you're

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ever going to talk to. That'show I feel. And I love your
I love your Is it mid CanI say is it a Midwestern voice?
Because you said I'll have what Philis Having? Very much more polite than
and elegant than the actual than theactual title, which was I'll have what
that Bums Having exactly. I'll takethat as a compliment because I live about

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fifty miles south of the up theUpper penninsul Michigan. Yes, where the
you birth speak very differently, don'tyou know? Oh right, yeah,
right right, So that's interesting tome. Now some of my Chicago family
still thinks I think I say somewords more you burish, But it's that's

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what happens when you've lived in aplace for over forty years, right,
sure, sure, And I dohave a question. Oh yeah, we're
here for you. I mean,I feel like I know you both quite
well. You're open and honest.But considering food, and I consider myself
foody, a foodie. I loveall things food. I love to cook

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and bake great and so one ofthe things I had a question about is
whether either of you have a foodaversion, something you would not or will
not ever eat, or allergies.Do you have any food allergies. I
don't have any allergies that I knowof. But there's a food I don't
like, and that's black licorice.Oh yeah, okay, how about you.

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A lot of people, a lotof people don't like it. I
like it is Yeah, I didtoo. I got a bag of black
liquorice for my birthday. Actually,because well, happy birthday. I'm thrilled
for people who love it. I'mhappy. You know, whatever makes you
happy, I'm fine with it.It just I do not like black liquorice.
I love red licorice. Yes,I like red liquorice. I.
Liver is the food that I havenever gotten over. Even chop liver.

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Yes, especially especially chop. Yes, I wonder if you have. I
don't even like the phrase chopped liver. It is considered chop liver. Liver
worst is that that's a thing fromchildhood that I think. I didn't hate
that but liver. But okay,so if you like liver worst, you're
not that far from chopliver. Iguess I also grew up with liver worst

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because I didn't know what it was. As I became an adult and I
realized what the liver organ does inthe body. Yes, that was a
deal breaker that can change things fromme, I get it. Yeah,
the only thing worse is kidneys.Right, Although I will say I would
not be opposed because I will tryeverything once. If somebody wanted to take

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me to France, I would notbe opposed to trying gras Pate, How
do you feel about that, DavidG. Pate? Have you ever had
I think I've made passing attempts tosort of, but it's not yet.
It's not your thing. It's notmy thing. You're allowed everyone's allowed their
things. All I ask is thatyou try it. That's rights, and

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that's what I don't don't. Yeah, I can't say you don't like it
if you haven't tried it. Didyou see the episode we did this year
when we went to Scotland. No, you know what. I've been rationing
the episode because I can't binge watchthem because they bring me so much join
so when I I need a felfix, then I turn one O.

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I haven't gotten to Scotland yet,but I now want to go to Kyoto,
Japan, probably the greatest place wewent this season. I mean,
just one of the most spectacular placesI've been in my life. But Scotland,
you know, is famous for hagisand I don't want to go into
details about what that is, butit's just as gross sounding as everything else

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we're talking about here in terms ofliver and all that organ meat and all
that stuff. And yet I hadit. I think a couple of times
in the show made by wonderful chefs, and you know what if when they
do it? When when you caneither have the bad version or the good
or even great version, and thingsare either delicious or they're not. And

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so you can't just say I don'tlike Hagis because you haven't had all the
ways that it can be made.Okay, right, okay, have an
open mind. That's all. Youjust have to try. Can can can?
Can? I offer philths and Happybirthday to you for your birthday.
I'm going to auction this offer knowif you have enough money. Happy birthday

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to you, Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear young Donna,
Happy birthday to you. Pretty good, oh but honestly best birthday ever.
And I will sing Dion's classic Donnathe Prima Donna for you right now.
No, I will not. Iwon't ruin your birthday. But our dogs

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are smiling, there's I think they'rewishing you a happy birthday and thank you
for being part of our our canineroundtable here that we're having. And we
should end it before someone barks orsomeone oops. I think that's one of
us exactly you. Yeah, itcould be me. I have a pretty

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good dog park. Have a wonderfulbirthday. Rest of your birthday, have
a great dinner tonight. Get somethingreally nice and expensive. Tell your husband
I said, this is, yes, this is It's essential that you get
whatever you want without any consideration foranything but happiness. I am so going

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to use that and he won't havea toy. Excellent. Happy birthday,
Donna. Hey bye bye, Thankslove what you do, love you take
care, Bye bye bye, StevieMurray. Thank you for joining us for
Naked Lunch. You've been I canhonestly say they are good, good boies.

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They've been better behaved than certain otherguests that we've had. They're very
good boies, good boys, goodbowie yay, goodbye everybody. Naked Lunch
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