May 1, 2025 • 37 mins
Things are heating up, Reigndrops! Today, we're diving into The Valley with none other than Jesse Lally. Carlos is excited to sit down with Jesse for a candid conversation about relationships, co-parenting, and what it really means to be authentic on reality TV. And... Does Carlos get an invite to the legendary "Boys Chat"? Tune in to find out all this and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
the King of Reality TV and one of the most
sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
(00:24):
moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
rain Drops, of today's episode of Reality with the King,
we are going to talk about the best show that
is out right now. When I say to you, rain Drops,
I am obsessed with this show and I know you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Guys are too.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So what better way to kick off my weekly Yes
you heard that right, my weekly recap of the Valley.
We're gonna kick things off with the Man, the myth,
the messy legend, who.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I am also obsessed with. Give it up, y'all for.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Jesse, Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm
super excited.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
You know, Spencer speaks very highly of you, and I
know that you have a very deep background in this world.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So my real question is how am I doing so far?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, I'm making in trouble for saying this, And
I do not like getting in trouble, but I mean, Jesse,
you keep the party going, my brother, like you now
listen without Jesse, like what.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Would be happening.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But I would like to ask you one personal request. Sure,
can I be the twenty third person in the boys
group chat?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, you know, sadly with the Boys Chat regardless of
what you hear, it started off a little dicey back
when I first was indoctrinated into this chat. And now,
to be honest with you, some of the some of
the biggest playboys on the chat are sober, and it's
a lot of memes. It's a lot of One of
the guys on the on the Boys Chat this morning,
(02:12):
and I'll probably get in trouble for saying this told
Jax to do some grounding and take his shoes off
and go walk in the grass. So we've evolved over
time into more of a therapy session. Most of us
are now married. So while we would love to have
you are, we're currently full.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And taking waiting list applications.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh my god, it feels like ray a dating app
because I am still.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A waiting list at all live.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I have Carlos King I don't people who are like
already in there.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So I'm on a waiting list for the boys chat
got it?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Listen, listen.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm I tried to get into Soho House in twenty
seventeen and I still haven't heard from them.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So you you and I pull.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I don't know if the Valley is gonna help or
hurt me get into Soho House.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh we'll see. I might have to throw in a
new application.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And like the last one, I said, I was a poet,
So maybe that's why I didn't get in.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, I will give you a referral because I'm a member. Okay, perfect, yes, no, no,
we'll make that happen. So I'm not only a member
of Sofa House, I'm a member of the Valley. I
used to live in Studio City, which is in close
proximity to the Valley.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Say, Season two is starting off amazing, and I just
want to get right into a Jesse.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Honestly, we know that you are going.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Through this, you know, divorce with Michelle, and what we
saw in the premiere episode was the two of you
sort of navigating this life of co parenting. And what
we're seeing this season is the fact that you two
are not as as of episode three, you two are
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not on the same page as relates to your relationship.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But I want to go backwards a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Michelle's gorgeous and I know at one point in time
you Tube were imagine love. What would you say was
the number one cause of you and Michelle's relationship not
working out?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think you know, in my experience, I feel like
having a child. We had Isabella April of twenty twenty.
All of those classes like how to change diapers all
canceled at Cedar Sinai. We went into we went into
the hospital that morning and we were told by our doctor,
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which comes up quite a bit, not to go to
the hospital because they're going to send you away if
you're not ready ready to be admitted.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And you know, a lot of first time parents get
a little nervous. And we waited and waited and wait.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
She was on the phone all night with her sister
in labor and we went to the hospital and they
actually did a COVID test at the elevators of the
parking garage for both of us. Sent Usa sent me
back to the car, took her up the elevator, did
another test, then called me forty five minutes later and
they're like, all right, the time is now, And I
walked from my car back to the elevator and they
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did another COVID test.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So it was chaotic.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Uh, you know, we had Isabella at one am and
they made me leave after twenty minutes with her. And
from that point on, it was just all a new
world for all of us. And you know, there was
no grandma, grandpa. I thought I was getting lasagnas and
all kinds of stuff sent to the house, you know,
from people.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
There was none of that. There was no help, there
was no nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So really, for the first four months of Isabella's life,
it was Michelle and I in the house with no help,
no sleep, and we did our best. And I think
there is a there is sort of an isolation that
happened for everybody. But then Michelle and I had discussed
my go Michelle and I were business partners and she
was taking care of Isabella, so I went back to work.
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And while everybody else felt isolated in this crazy world
that we living in, Michelle was even you know, isolated
to a hundredth degree. And I think that started putting
a lot of pressure on, you know, on the entire relationship,
you know what I mean, And it was difficult to
navigate that world. And if you were to ask me,
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I think that was the start of our problems. It's
like we we couldn't have Grandma come take the baby
so we could have a date night, like we weren't.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No was having date nights, you know what I mean.
So I think that was really the start.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Do you really believe Michelle cheated on you?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I do, yes, Michelle actually admitted to me that she did.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I don't believe that it was Aaron.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I've had long conversations with Aarin about this and you'll
see that play out in this season, but even off camera,
I've had conversations with Michelle and Aaron, and Michelle did
say that she had a situation a couple of years
ago with somebody.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But I also felt, like, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Aaron saying multiple times and you know them talking about
it on Michelle's podcast, that they used to meet up.
And you know, there's all different types of affairs, right
there's the physical affair that Michelle admitted to, but also
there's this emotional component where you know, Aaron and Michelle
talked about, you know, meeting up and having conversations about
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relationships and stuff like that, and it basically put a
direct comparison between Michelle's relationship with me and what it
would be like with a relationship with Aaron. So, whether
it was physical or not, there's that emotional component that
I think, you know, and look, was it my fault
for driving her away?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah? You know.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Was it her fault for finding solace in the arms
or the mind of somebody else. Yeah, But you know,
at this point, she's super happy. They live together now.
Isabella loves it over there. She loves him, and you know,
at the end of the day, we are doing this
right now, but there's going to be a point, and
I've tried a few times that we will all be
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friends at some point, you know what I mean. And
I wish them the best. She's very happy. He's a
lot different than me. So, yes, I think she cheated.
Does it matter now?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
No? Well, it's interesting you say that he's a lot
different than you, because in the first episode Michelle did
say she never had the feeling of you being a
genuine person with heart, which that was a gut punch
to me. So as the You know, you guys were married,
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so obviously she loved your enough to marry you.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You are the father of your beautiful daughter.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
To hear your soon to be ex wife say that
she never had the feeling you were a genuine person
with heart, Well, did that hurt you to hear her
say that?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But you know what's she's hurt right now, and she's hurting,
and you know, she's going through something not only with
our relationship, but the passing of her mother, which was difficult,
you know for her and the family and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It was difficult for Isabella.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
She she's struggling, and you know, I get where you
know where she's coming from, because when you go through
the situation, you go through a divorce and separation, rarely
do you remember the good times. You only remember the
worst possible times, and you remember it in the emotional
state that you're in at that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Right and right.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Now we are butting heads and she's trying to win,
and then I'm trying to win, and then it's like
this right, one after another after another, and you know,
for her to say that I wasn't genuine, you know,
I love to tell a story she had never been
to Europe, and I take her to Mastro's for her
birthday or no, for for our anniversary. And her birthday
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was a few weeks later, and I hind her a
card and it's plane tickets to Paris. And she told
me a story that a couple months prior, we were
in Capri, and she said she cried on the flight
home and she bought a dress for every night because
she knows I love Capri. She thought I was gonna propose.
She didn't know that I had a ring for six months.
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Wanted to take her to Paris, which was her dream.
Gave her the tickets to Paris, set the whole thing
up with Ritz Paris way ahead of time. It was
her birthday celebration, so we celebrated her birthday the next day.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I proposed at Ritz Paris.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So if she says that, you know, I was never
genuine and never you know, loving, you know, I fail
to believe that that's you know, it just isn't true.
But she's in this state right now where she only
remembers the bad.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Uh Okay, So Jesse, I don't feel bad anymore because
I listen, You're I fired you very likable, right, I
could be the minority of the situation. But we'll get
to the watch what happens Paul in this second where
it was like, are you team Michelle or team.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Jesse spoiler alert Jesse one.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I will say I find you very likable, so
the fact that I heard that story, Look, you have
done some asshole things right, and listen, I do feel
like you own up to it. You owned up to
being a whore back in the day, you know what
I mean. I do feel like you own up to
(11:27):
your shit. So I will give you that when I
when I watch you on the show, I feel like
you're somebody that loves hard and I do feel like
Michelle is hurt and I like Michelle a lot too.
And when you talk about how you too are budding hits,
(11:47):
what my experience is for producing reality television is hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
People hurt each other. And I do feel like.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
There's there is something genuine about you that makes you
very likable to the audience to.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The point where you won the poll and you also
won you know, the place of the girls.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
In this most recent episode to where she's like, I
mean we're going this trip.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, like, who side are you on and low key?
They're on your side? So do you feel like this show,
unfortunately dealing with your marital.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Woes, do you feel like it has villainized her character?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I mean, look, you love hard, you fall hard, right,
you just said it. You know, you know I love
and I and I'm loyal and I like almost to
a fault.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Right, So you love hard, you fall hard, And you.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Know this this season of the show, you know, I
was I was very I don't know how to be inauthentic,
and I think I was very authentic and I think
it it resonated with people towards the end of season one.
And I continue to do a lot of work after
Michelle and I separated, and you know, Michelle asked me
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to make a lot of changes.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And I didn't do what she needed me to do.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And you know, then I thought like, well should I
change for Isabella? And then I figured, why don't I
start working on myself and if I can even grow
five percent seven percent? And I started to reflect on
those things, and it's one of the reasons why Kristin
and I have become so close and why we were
able to, you know, have that conversation at my house
at the beginning of season two is because you start
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to reflect on you know, when you decide to make
the changes on your own, that's that's when it becomes true.
Like I couldn't make it for Michelle because I didn't
want to. Then I decided to make it, you know,
on my own. And yeah, look, five percent of growth
is nothing. So I'm still gonna be that Jesse with
the crass, sarcastic humor that doesn't fly all the time.
(13:52):
I have a real lack of self awareness. I have
a real lack of social situations. You know, you can
crack a joke to one and that'll laugh, and the
other person will, you know, slap you in the face. Right,
So it's all about continuing the work.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well, look, you are doing the work. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
No, I was just gonna say, like, you know, you know,
you've been in this world a long time, right, you
can't be the villain without being the hero, and you
can't be the hero without being the villain because people
respond to to the arc. Right, So one day you're
gonna be good, one day you're gonna be bad. And
I think you'll see in season two I get real
bad and then I get good and then I get bad.
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And I think, you know, the the amazing part of
this show, and especially this season, is you'll see the
villain and hero and almost every single person in our group.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
If you had to say, when you look at the
overall season, obviously you taped it, and I know you
guys are about to fill the reunion, who would you
say is the ultimate villain this season?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And who is the ultimate hero this.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I will tell you that I think by the end
of the season you will see that everybody gets resolution. So,
like I said, there's a villain and hero. But and look,
we still spend a lot of time together. I was
on the phone with Jason and then Janet jumped on
for an hour the other night. I was on the
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phone with Jacks this morning for thirty minutes. I talked
to Jasmine for hours. I talked to Kristen and Luke,
and you know, I think you'll see ups and downs
and lefts and rights, but you'll finally see resolution where
I wouldn't be surprised if it like it ends with
dot dot dot two be continued, you know, because there's
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a lot of surprises, there's a lot of fun, and look,
we got babies coming, We got weddings coming. You know, eventually,
whether it ends with resolution, it will get there.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So you talk about speaking to Jack this morning.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What we did see in last week's episode was a
very powerful scene where you know, he and Brittany spoke
about his addiction and him checking himselfing to rehab. You
spoke to him today for thirty minutes. How is Jack's doing?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Jax is, He's doing really well.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And you know, I reminded him today that you know,
you know this world, right, you live it, you film it,
then you have to live it again eight nine months later, right,
And we talk quite a bit about, you know, things
that we see on the show and comments that are
(16:34):
made and stuff like that. And I reminded Jacks this morning,
you are not the same person you were nine months ago.
You are one hundred and eighty days or one hundred
and sixty days sober, You are thirty five pounds of
solid muscle. The guy only eats chicken breast and hamburger
patties every day all day. So I'm like, just remember
who you are today because it's different.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Than you were nine months ago, and just.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Start to and grow, you know, every day, like when
he went into that facility the first time, he came
out with just a few tools, and the work wasn't
in the facility.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The work was getting the tools to continue the work.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And unfortunately for Jacks, I knew he was doing the
work in terms of his mental health, but his physical health.
The drinking the drugs was the reason he recognized it,
because mentally he was strong. He recognized it after another
month or two that he needed to go into rehab
for drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And now coming out of.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That second rehab and you know, doing the work by
going to AA meetings and doing the work by continuing,
you know, talking to me and talking to his friends
and stuff like that, I really think he's he has
an opportunity to become Jason Kouchi instead.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Of Jax Taylor.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That's a powerful statement.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
That's what I ended the conversation with this morning.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Child.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
We are just getting started. This is reality with the
King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Well,
your ex has said in this most recent episode.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
That you are far worse than Jack's.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Jacks has been seen as somebody that you know, supposedly
you know, is verbally mean to Brittany called, you know,
fast shames her allegedly, he has denied it. A lot
of people have said they've seen the text messages and
they've seen what he's done. You know, Jacks is a
polarizing figure, but he also has receipts based on you know,
(18:47):
the shows he's been on where his behavior isn't the
most peachy keen. So based on all of that narrative,
prior to your conversation today, when your ex wife said
that you are far more worse than Jack's, how do
you feel about that comment?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It's Michelle's experience, right, you know what she's referring to, Like,
I don't know, but Michelle's experience, what Michelle's going through
might feel or seem worse than what Brittney's going through,
what anybody going through a divorce or you know, having
a partner. I think it's it just comes down to
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everybody's individual experience, right. And Michelle, like I said, she's hurting,
and what her experience is is like, look.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I know my fault.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know, I know that I can be condescending. Michelle
and I work together, and you know there was there
was there wasn't a hierarchy in our business. But again,
it's like when you're fighting over a deal. Sometimes it's
hard to meet up in the kitchen and give her
a hug and a kiss, you know what I mean.
So it's it's all in the experience for anybody. So
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whatever Michelle says about me, again, it's you know, it's
her own experience, and I can't invalidate that experience.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I can only I can only trust my experience.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
She said that you don't provide any financial support.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
She did multiple times.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I think, yeah, is that true.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't love to talk about and I wish Michelle
felt the same way to talk about personal and private
financial matters. But I will say, and I've said it
over and over again, Michelle and I were fifty to
fifty business partners. And the real estate business as a
whole in LA has been very bad for the last
few years. But Michelle and I were fifty to fifty
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business partners, so if our business was hurting, we both
share fault fifty to fifty. And in terms of our finances,
Michelle had one hundred percent access to all of our accounts,
you know, from the credit union to the credit cards,
to the savings accounts, checking accounts.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Michelle had access to all of that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So again, if there was spending and stuff like that,
like she had just as much of a fault as.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I did because she had complete control over that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So you know, when she says things like that, it
kind of hurts me because, yeah, there's no child support
or alimony because we were partners in our business and
we you know, split our commissions fifty to fifty and
we you know, share custody fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So we've moved forward. We have a custodial.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Agreement that works for both of us, and in terms
of that financial stuff, we are like this close, this
close to being able to move forward with our divorce
and you know, and be able to create a life
as co parents.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
One of the things that we are seeing this season
is look first season, my brother Banker explosive allway craziness
right with Chew in your suit, you were playing any
(22:06):
games and we listen. The beauty of you to me
is the fact that is what you said. We can
see you have moments of you know, having a villain moment,
but we also see the hero. What we have seen
this season that has shocked the hell all of all
of us is the friendship that you have now. But Kristen,
can you talk about like how you guys went from
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the craziness of last season to this season. My girl
is coming over to your house and you too are
having a ponderosa.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I will tell you exactly how it happened.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
My girlfriend and my team missed our flight back from
Watch What Happens Live and we're sitting at the apartment
in New York and we were watching the episode and
I forget which episode it was, and I got the
most gracious text from Kristin that was like, Wow, I
didn't know what you were going through. I understand and
I looked at it and I was like, Kristin just
(23:01):
texted me. And from that point on it was again
it's like you're working on yourself, You're working to grow,
Like what is my responsibility in what happened?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
And you know there was something the scene at Jackson's
pool with all of us. It was kind of like
the guys with the kids in season one. I had
a conversation with Luke that day about blind loyalty and
how he was sticking up for Kristen. He didn't understand
and what I realized in the work is I had
blind loyalty from Michelle. And what Kristin was saying it
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was so hurtful because in the back of my mind,
I'm like, am I missing something? And you know, I
said to Kristin, and we've talked about it quite a bit.
Some of the work that I've been doing is like
and I said it with her out back, is like
that underlying idea that maybe she's right, and then it's
like resent anger, hostility.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And my physical manifestation.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Of that was like, you know, like aggression, like I
was a hockey player, right, and like my physical manifestation
of these feelings was banging my hands on tables and
punching walls in the hallway and charging. You know, I
texted Zach a couple of days ago when I I
saw like another angle of that hallway scene and I
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didn't realize that I gave him a forearm shiver into
the wall on my way down to you know, fight Luke,
and I texted him like, dude, I am so sorry,
Like I never saw that angle before and I didn't
even know he was in the way. And yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Start to realize, you start to look at.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Collateral damage and how you were the one who dropped
the bomb, and you know, you have to realize you're
the one who dropped the bomb, right, so the collateral
damage is not the problem.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
You're the problem.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And you know, Kristin and I have known each other
for a long time, and you know that text message
led to kind of a relationship with Luke and we
started working out together and then it really has has
been incredible the relationship that Kristen, Luke and I have
have formed.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Suggested we got again to the most recent episode, this
boy's chap was a massacre.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Okay, again, you're on the waiting list, so don't ask
about it again, all right, boys, right now.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I don't want to be on it if it's going
to be a disaster again.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I want you to clear the air you have allegedly.
You know, I want to, I want to, I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I do not want to put words of your mouth,
So I want to be able to have you say it. Allegedly,
you send the group chat that your ex Michelle has
slept with a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night
before I move on. Is that true that you said
that I did. Yeah, okay, is it true that she
did that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't believe it's true, and I'm not never make
excuse for it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I literally will tell you. I'll be completely honest with you.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I was triggered, and you know, I one of the
things I'm working on is and I talked to Kristen
about it. When I'm triggered, I immediately and I got
a tattooed on my arm. Emotion Cloud's reason.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But uh, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I I get very reactive when I'm triggered, and I
don't take that deep breath and I don't. I don't,
I don't say okay, like you know what situation.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Am I am?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I just get very very reactive. And I was triggered
by something that happened. I sent it. I immediately was
like I should unsend this, and now I have to
pay the consequences of it, and it's snowballs into you know.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I had this moment the other.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Day where you know, one day Isabella might be bullied
because of this thing that I did instead about her mother,
and I regret the second I hit sent.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Did you say it because somebody told you this?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Or like, how does how did that even come about
like you saying that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean, honestly, I don't think it's worth giving any
more life to because I've apologized up and down to Michelle.
I've apologized to you know, even putting my friends in
that position to have to repeat it.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I don't want to. I don't want to put any
more life into it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Has Michelle accept your apology?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
She should not and probably will never.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Are you and Michelle today on speaking terms?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
We are?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I mean, you know, we've God, we've gotten so close.
I mean we had a moment, you know, in the
in the fall, and you'll see as the season plays out,
we were this close, and it's it's tough. It's a
tough ride, and we've had moments where I'll never forget.
I got a text message from Michelle and she's like,
Isabella wants.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Both of us to pick her up at school. I said, great,
come pick me up at my house.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Picked her up at school, and Michelle's like, do you
want to go get as i E bowls with us,
and I'm like, yeah, great, And then she came back
here and we watched Moana with Isabella and it's like,
you know, we're we're right there. You know, and it's
just it's difficult because you get so close and then
one thing happens and you both get triggered, and then
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you take you know, you take two steps forward and
then it's thirty steps backwards. So we talk. You know,
it's it's going to be hard for her. Like I said,
you know this world, you film it, you have resolution,
and then you have to relive it. And you know,
I think it's hard for everybody in our in our
lives to go through that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And and we'll get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
At a place of forgiveness for Danny allegedly being the mall?
I think Danny the mall? Now you can think of
somebody else. You could think it's the twenty one other.
I Carlos King think Danny's the mole. He looked guilty,
he had, you know, deer call the headlights. I believe
Danny broke the bro code in a moment of pillow talk.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, because one.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Thing, I know, Jesse, men like to gossip too, but
men like to gossip when it comes to the ladies
because it's a safer space.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So do you think Danny is the mole? Danny was
the mole in this situation. But I will say, boys, boys,
if you have a boy's chat.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Use a different goddamn eye cloud than you use on
your iPad that your kids use to watch Blue all right, Like,
I don't think anybody's the mole, but god damn, why
do you and your wife share the same cloud account?
So yeah, I mean, look, Danny told me that, and
he asked if I was mad about it, and I'm like, no,
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I'm not mad.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It's just another fire that I'll have to put out.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And you know, you can't be mad at somebody if
you take your own accountability for your actions. Right, Danny
didn't say it, I didn't spread it. I said it,
and I regret it. And god, you know it's not
Danny's fault.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
You are a good man. I'm gonna say. I think
it's listen, I think it's fine.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But to me, to me, it's sort of just I
do shows about relationships, right, So I'm no when it
comes to couples that and there's there's nothing wrong with this,
but when you are in a relationship, you know, man,
do pillow talk and it is what it is. But
I thought it was more comedy that Danny looked so like, shit,
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I got caught up. He looked did into the camera.
So to me, it was sort of like, man, you're guilty,
just be honest about it.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But I'm happy that he is. Danny's still in the
group chat.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Though Danny was Danny didn't last long after.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh you kicked him out?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean, I don't. I'm not the administrator on the
group chat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I I can't confirm or deny Danny's on the group chat.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
All right, we'll leave it chat. And you're talking about
pillow pillow talk. It kind of looked like Luke and
Danny were having pillow talk in that moment. I don't
know if it was Danny and Nea.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Looked like Danny and Luke were having a little little
cuddly pillow talk.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So, you know, I hey to each their own.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, So before we wrap things up, you know, listen,
I love that this conversation is about your cleaning the air.
I did hear a rumor a little bit of information
about your past that I would like you to address.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You ready for this, Jesse?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Is it true you dated Anna Nicole Smith?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
It is not true that I dated in a Nicole.
It is true that we had a relationship, but we
weren't like we weren't dating.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Have you watched a documentary on Netflix?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I have, Yeah, I have. I did not.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I did not get called to to give any feedback,
but but yeah, I did watch it.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Good to know. Listen, you're a legend. You're a legend.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Not too too many people can say that makes you
rest in peace. I mean, listen, she has taste. You're
a handsome guy. And I want to say this. I'm
happy we have this conversation because I can tell by
it there's a lot of growth, there's a lot of maturity,
and I do feel like you're somebody who is on
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this path to just try to like figure things out.
And although as a reality star, like all of the
stars on reality television, you may go about it different ways,
but I do feel like you are somebody that lives
in the moment and once you see yourself reflect and
on television, I do feel like you use that as
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an opportunity to do better.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
So I do want to applaud you for that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I know it's a tough business, the audience can be
very tough, but I do appreciate that you have not
allowed it to you know, crash out on social media.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So I just want to say, continue to do what
you're doing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You are a fabulous, fabulous, fabulous addition to the show.
I'm obsessed with it. I'm looking forward to more things
with you. So is there anything you want to talk
to the audience about. You got promoting stuff where they
can find you, follow you, support anything you're doing.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, you can follow me on everything at Jesse Lally
j E S s E not I E J S
S E l A.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
L L why.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You can follow Isabella on Instagram as well, Isabella Lally. Yeah,
I mean it's it's gonna be an exciting, exciting season.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
For I think everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You know, we're we're gonna have a reunion this year
which everybody knows about, which is going to be exciting.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
My first time on the chair.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
We have you know, Watch what Happens Live coming up,
which is gonna be fun. I did it last year,
but but this year it'll be you know, it's a different,
different stage to be on.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But uh yeah, I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You know, people ask me all the time if if
reality is real and the truth is you know, human nature,
you throw a lot of things under the rug, right,
and it's like, oh, you know, she drank two bottles
of Savignon blanc.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Ha ha.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I can't believe she said that.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
But you have to realize that, you know, we're putting
positions where you have to think about it for three
or four days until you see somebody again and you're like, wow,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Believe she said that.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
How does that affect my career and my family and
my future? And you're put in a position to have
hard conversations that the majority of people brush under the rug.
And I think what you'll learn from reality TV and
what you should take into your own life is that
have those hard conversations because like the audience, you know,
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I can, you know, accuse Michelle of being an escort,
but eventually it's it. You know, if you take accountability
for your actions and you have the hard conversation, it's
going to disappear eventually, right, But if you let it,
let it simmer and simmer and simmer, you're going to
have happen. What happened to Michelle and I. Michelle and
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I had conversations for two years about separating, got a
new house, swept the dust under the rug and then
had to have those hard conversations and if you don't
have them now, it will destroy you and eat you alive.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's very true. That's very true. So listen.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
We're looking forward to the rest of the season and
rain Drops. You can catt A Valley every single Tuesday
on Bravo and then the next day on Peacock. Jesse,
thank you for stepping into Reality with the King and
I'll see you soon.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Thank you you are the King. Thank you so much
for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
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Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
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moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
rain Drops, of today's episode of Reality with the King,
we are going to talk about the best show that
is out right now. When I say to you, rain Drops,
I am obsessed with this show and I know you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Guys are too.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So what better way to kick off my weekly Yes
you heard that right, my weekly recap of the Valley.
We're gonna kick things off with the Man, the myth,
the messy legend, who.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I am also obsessed with. Give it up, y'all for.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Jesse, Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm
super excited.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
You know, Spencer speaks very highly of you, and I
know that you have a very deep background in this world.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So my real question is how am I doing so far?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, I'm making in trouble for saying this, And
I do not like getting in trouble, but I mean, Jesse,
you keep the party going, my brother, like you now
listen without Jesse, like what.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Would be happening.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
But I would like to ask you one personal request. Sure,
can I be the twenty third person in the boys
group chat?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, you know, sadly with the Boys Chat regardless of
what you hear, it started off a little dicey back
when I first was indoctrinated into this chat. And now,
to be honest with you, some of the some of
the biggest playboys on the chat are sober, and it's
a lot of memes. It's a lot of One of
the guys on the on the Boys Chat this morning,
(02:12):
and I'll probably get in trouble for saying this told
Jax to do some grounding and take his shoes off
and go walk in the grass. So we've evolved over
time into more of a therapy session. Most of us
are now married. So while we would love to have
you are, we're currently full.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And taking waiting list applications.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh my god, it feels like ray a dating app
because I am still.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A waiting list at all live.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I have Carlos King I don't people who are like
already in there.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So I'm on a waiting list for the boys chat
got it?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Listen, listen.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm I tried to get into Soho House in twenty
seventeen and I still haven't heard from them.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So you you and I pull.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I don't know if the Valley is gonna help or
hurt me get into Soho House.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh we'll see. I might have to throw in a
new application.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And like the last one, I said, I was a poet,
So maybe that's why I didn't get in.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, I will give you a referral because I'm a member. Okay, perfect, yes, no, no,
we'll make that happen. So I'm not only a member
of Sofa House, I'm a member of the Valley. I
used to live in Studio City, which is in close
proximity to the Valley.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I have to.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Say, Season two is starting off amazing, and I just
want to get right into a Jesse.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Honestly, we know that you are going.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Through this, you know, divorce with Michelle, and what we
saw in the premiere episode was the two of you
sort of navigating this life of co parenting. And what
we're seeing this season is the fact that you two
are not as as of episode three, you two are
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not on the same page as relates to your relationship.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But I want to go backwards a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Michelle's gorgeous and I know at one point in time
you Tube were imagine love. What would you say was
the number one cause of you and Michelle's relationship not
working out?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think you know, in my experience, I feel like
having a child. We had Isabella April of twenty twenty.
All of those classes like how to change diapers all
canceled at Cedar Sinai. We went into we went into
the hospital that morning and we were told by our doctor,
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which comes up quite a bit, not to go to
the hospital because they're going to send you away if
you're not ready ready to be admitted.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And you know, a lot of first time parents get
a little nervous. And we waited and waited and wait.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
She was on the phone all night with her sister
in labor and we went to the hospital and they
actually did a COVID test at the elevators of the
parking garage for both of us. Sent Usa sent me
back to the car, took her up the elevator, did
another test, then called me forty five minutes later and
they're like, all right, the time is now, And I
walked from my car back to the elevator and they
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did another COVID test.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So it was chaotic.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Uh, you know, we had Isabella at one am and
they made me leave after twenty minutes with her. And
from that point on, it was just all a new
world for all of us. And you know, there was
no grandma, grandpa. I thought I was getting lasagnas and
all kinds of stuff sent to the house, you know,
from people.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
There was none of that. There was no help, there
was no nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So really, for the first four months of Isabella's life,
it was Michelle and I in the house with no help,
no sleep, and we did our best. And I think
there is a there is sort of an isolation that
happened for everybody. But then Michelle and I had discussed
my go Michelle and I were business partners and she
was taking care of Isabella, so I went back to work.
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And while everybody else felt isolated in this crazy world
that we living in, Michelle was even you know, isolated
to a hundredth degree. And I think that started putting
a lot of pressure on, you know, on the entire relationship,
you know what I mean, And it was difficult to
navigate that world. And if you were to ask me,
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I think that was the start of our problems. It's
like we we couldn't have Grandma come take the baby
so we could have a date night, like we weren't.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No was having date nights, you know what I mean.
So I think that was really the start.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Do you really believe Michelle cheated on you?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I do, yes, Michelle actually admitted to me that she did.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I don't believe that it was Aaron.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I've had long conversations with Aarin about this and you'll
see that play out in this season, but even off camera,
I've had conversations with Michelle and Aaron, and Michelle did
say that she had a situation a couple of years
ago with somebody.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But I also felt, like, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Aaron saying multiple times and you know them talking about
it on Michelle's podcast, that they used to meet up.
And you know, there's all different types of affairs, right
there's the physical affair that Michelle admitted to, but also
there's this emotional component where you know, Aaron and Michelle
talked about, you know, meeting up and having conversations about
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relationships and stuff like that, and it basically put a
direct comparison between Michelle's relationship with me and what it
would be like with a relationship with Aaron. So, whether
it was physical or not, there's that emotional component that
I think, you know, and look, was it my fault
for driving her away?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah? You know.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Was it her fault for finding solace in the arms
or the mind of somebody else. Yeah, But you know,
at this point, she's super happy. They live together now.
Isabella loves it over there. She loves him, and you know,
at the end of the day, we are doing this
right now, but there's going to be a point, and
I've tried a few times that we will all be
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friends at some point, you know what I mean. And
I wish them the best. She's very happy. He's a
lot different than me. So, yes, I think she cheated.
Does it matter now?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
No? Well, it's interesting you say that he's a lot
different than you, because in the first episode Michelle did
say she never had the feeling of you being a
genuine person with heart, which that was a gut punch
to me. So as the You know, you guys were married,
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so obviously she loved your enough to marry you.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You are the father of your beautiful daughter.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
To hear your soon to be ex wife say that
she never had the feeling you were a genuine person
with heart, Well, did that hurt you to hear her
say that?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But you know what's she's hurt right now, and she's hurting,
and you know, she's going through something not only with
our relationship, but the passing of her mother, which was difficult,
you know for her and the family and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It was difficult for Isabella.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
She she's struggling, and you know, I get where you
know where she's coming from, because when you go through
the situation, you go through a divorce and separation, rarely
do you remember the good times. You only remember the
worst possible times, and you remember it in the emotional
state that you're in at that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Right and right.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Now we are butting heads and she's trying to win,
and then I'm trying to win, and then it's like
this right, one after another after another, and you know,
for her to say that I wasn't genuine, you know,
I love to tell a story she had never been
to Europe, and I take her to Mastro's for her
birthday or no, for for our anniversary. And her birthday
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was a few weeks later, and I hind her a
card and it's plane tickets to Paris. And she told
me a story that a couple months prior, we were
in Capri, and she said she cried on the flight
home and she bought a dress for every night because
she knows I love Capri. She thought I was gonna propose.
She didn't know that I had a ring for six months.
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Wanted to take her to Paris, which was her dream.
Gave her the tickets to Paris, set the whole thing
up with Ritz Paris way ahead of time. It was
her birthday celebration, so we celebrated her birthday the next day.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I proposed at Ritz Paris.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So if she says that, you know, I was never
genuine and never you know, loving, you know, I fail
to believe that that's you know, it just isn't true.
But she's in this state right now where she only
remembers the bad.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Uh Okay, So Jesse, I don't feel bad anymore because
I listen, You're I fired you very likable, right, I
could be the minority of the situation. But we'll get
to the watch what happens Paul in this second where
it was like, are you team Michelle or team.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Jesse spoiler alert Jesse one.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I will say I find you very likable, so
the fact that I heard that story, Look, you have
done some asshole things right, and listen, I do feel
like you own up to it. You owned up to
being a whore back in the day, you know what
I mean. I do feel like you own up to
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your shit. So I will give you that when I
when I watch you on the show, I feel like
you're somebody that loves hard and I do feel like
Michelle is hurt and I like Michelle a lot too.
And when you talk about how you too are budding hits,
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what my experience is for producing reality television is hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
People hurt each other. And I do feel like.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
There's there is something genuine about you that makes you
very likable to the audience to.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
The point where you won the poll and you also
won you know, the place of the girls.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
In this most recent episode to where she's like, I
mean we're going this trip.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I mean, like, who side are you on and low key?
They're on your side? So do you feel like this show,
unfortunately dealing with your marital.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Woes, do you feel like it has villainized her character?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I mean, look, you love hard, you fall hard, right,
you just said it. You know, you know I love
and I and I'm loyal and I like almost to
a fault.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Right, So you love hard, you fall hard, And you.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Know this this season of the show, you know, I
was I was very I don't know how to be inauthentic,
and I think I was very authentic and I think
it it resonated with people towards the end of season one.
And I continue to do a lot of work after
Michelle and I separated, and you know, Michelle asked me
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to make a lot of changes.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And I didn't do what she needed me to do.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And you know, then I thought like, well should I
change for Isabella? And then I figured, why don't I
start working on myself and if I can even grow
five percent seven percent? And I started to reflect on
those things, and it's one of the reasons why Kristin
and I have become so close and why we were
able to, you know, have that conversation at my house
at the beginning of season two is because you start
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to reflect on you know, when you decide to make
the changes on your own, that's that's when it becomes true.
Like I couldn't make it for Michelle because I didn't
want to. Then I decided to make it, you know,
on my own. And yeah, look, five percent of growth
is nothing. So I'm still gonna be that Jesse with
the crass, sarcastic humor that doesn't fly all the time.
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I have a real lack of self awareness. I have
a real lack of social situations. You know, you can
crack a joke to one and that'll laugh, and the
other person will, you know, slap you in the face. Right,
So it's all about continuing the work.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Well, look, you are doing the work. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
No, I was just gonna say, like, you know, you know,
you've been in this world a long time, right, you
can't be the villain without being the hero, and you
can't be the hero without being the villain because people
respond to to the arc. Right, So one day you're
gonna be good, one day you're gonna be bad. And
I think you'll see in season two I get real
bad and then I get good and then I get bad.
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And I think, you know, the the amazing part of
this show, and especially this season, is you'll see the
villain and hero and almost every single person in our group.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
If you had to say, when you look at the
overall season, obviously you taped it, and I know you
guys are about to fill the reunion, who would you
say is the ultimate villain this season?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And who is the ultimate hero this.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I will tell you that I think by the end
of the season you will see that everybody gets resolution. So,
like I said, there's a villain and hero. But and look,
we still spend a lot of time together. I was
on the phone with Jason and then Janet jumped on
for an hour the other night. I was on the
(15:21):
phone with Jacks this morning for thirty minutes. I talked
to Jasmine for hours. I talked to Kristen and Luke,
and you know, I think you'll see ups and downs
and lefts and rights, but you'll finally see resolution where
I wouldn't be surprised if it like it ends with
dot dot dot two be continued, you know, because there's
(15:42):
a lot of surprises, there's a lot of fun, and look,
we got babies coming, We got weddings coming. You know, eventually,
whether it ends with resolution, it will get there.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So you talk about speaking to Jack this morning.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What we did see in last week's episode was a
very powerful scene where you know, he and Brittany spoke
about his addiction and him checking himselfing to rehab. You
spoke to him today for thirty minutes. How is Jack's doing?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Jax is, He's doing really well.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And you know, I reminded him today that you know,
you know this world, right, you live it, you film it,
then you have to live it again eight nine months later, right,
And we talk quite a bit about, you know, things
that we see on the show and comments that are
(16:34):
made and stuff like that. And I reminded Jacks this morning,
you are not the same person you were nine months ago.
You are one hundred and eighty days or one hundred
and sixty days sober, You are thirty five pounds of
solid muscle. The guy only eats chicken breast and hamburger
patties every day all day. So I'm like, just remember
who you are today because it's different.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Than you were nine months ago, and just.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Start to and grow, you know, every day, like when
he went into that facility the first time, he came
out with just a few tools, and the work wasn't
in the facility.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The work was getting the tools to continue the work.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And unfortunately for Jacks, I knew he was doing the
work in terms of his mental health, but his physical health.
The drinking the drugs was the reason he recognized it,
because mentally he was strong. He recognized it after another
month or two that he needed to go into rehab
for drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And now coming out of.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That second rehab and you know, doing the work by
going to AA meetings and doing the work by continuing,
you know, talking to me and talking to his friends
and stuff like that, I really think he's he has
an opportunity to become Jason Kouchi instead.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Of Jax Taylor.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That's a powerful statement.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
That's what I ended the conversation with this morning.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Child.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
We are just getting started. This is reality with the
King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Well,
your ex has said in this most recent episode.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
That you are far worse than Jack's.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Jacks has been seen as somebody that you know, supposedly
you know, is verbally mean to Brittany called, you know,
fast shames her allegedly, he has denied it. A lot
of people have said they've seen the text messages and
they've seen what he's done. You know, Jacks is a
polarizing figure, but he also has receipts based on you know,
(18:47):
the shows he's been on where his behavior isn't the
most peachy keen. So based on all of that narrative,
prior to your conversation today, when your ex wife said
that you are far more worse than Jack's, how do
you feel about that comment?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
It's Michelle's experience, right, you know what she's referring to, Like,
I don't know, but Michelle's experience, what Michelle's going through
might feel or seem worse than what Brittney's going through,
what anybody going through a divorce or you know, having
a partner. I think it's it just comes down to
(19:25):
everybody's individual experience, right. And Michelle, like I said, she's hurting,
and what her experience is is like, look.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I know my fault.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know, I know that I can be condescending. Michelle
and I work together, and you know there was there
was there wasn't a hierarchy in our business. But again,
it's like when you're fighting over a deal. Sometimes it's
hard to meet up in the kitchen and give her
a hug and a kiss, you know what I mean.
So it's it's all in the experience for anybody. So
(19:55):
whatever Michelle says about me, again, it's you know, it's
her own experience, and I can't invalidate that experience.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I can only I can only trust my experience.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
She said that you don't provide any financial support.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
She did multiple times.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I think, yeah, is that true.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't love to talk about and I wish Michelle
felt the same way to talk about personal and private
financial matters. But I will say, and I've said it
over and over again, Michelle and I were fifty to
fifty business partners. And the real estate business as a
whole in LA has been very bad for the last
few years. But Michelle and I were fifty to fifty
(20:37):
business partners, so if our business was hurting, we both
share fault fifty to fifty. And in terms of our finances,
Michelle had one hundred percent access to all of our accounts,
you know, from the credit union to the credit cards,
to the savings accounts, checking accounts.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Michelle had access to all of that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So again, if there was spending and stuff like that,
like she had just as much of a fault as.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I did because she had complete control over that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So you know, when she says things like that, it
kind of hurts me because, yeah, there's no child support
or alimony because we were partners in our business and
we you know, split our commissions fifty to fifty and
we you know, share custody fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So we've moved forward. We have a custodial.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Agreement that works for both of us, and in terms
of that financial stuff, we are like this close, this
close to being able to move forward with our divorce
and you know, and be able to create a life
as co parents.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
One of the things that we are seeing this season
is look first season, my brother Banker explosive allway craziness
right with Chew in your suit, you were playing any
(22:06):
games and we listen. The beauty of you to me
is the fact that is what you said. We can
see you have moments of you know, having a villain moment,
but we also see the hero. What we have seen
this season that has shocked the hell all of all
of us is the friendship that you have now. But Kristen,
can you talk about like how you guys went from
(22:27):
the craziness of last season to this season. My girl
is coming over to your house and you too are
having a ponderosa.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I will tell you exactly how it happened.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
My girlfriend and my team missed our flight back from
Watch What Happens Live and we're sitting at the apartment
in New York and we were watching the episode and
I forget which episode it was, and I got the
most gracious text from Kristin that was like, Wow, I
didn't know what you were going through. I understand and
I looked at it and I was like, Kristin just
(23:01):
texted me. And from that point on it was again
it's like you're working on yourself, You're working to grow,
Like what is my responsibility in what happened?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Right?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
And you know there was something the scene at Jackson's
pool with all of us. It was kind of like
the guys with the kids in season one. I had
a conversation with Luke that day about blind loyalty and
how he was sticking up for Kristen. He didn't understand
and what I realized in the work is I had
blind loyalty from Michelle. And what Kristin was saying it
(23:35):
was so hurtful because in the back of my mind,
I'm like, am I missing something? And you know, I
said to Kristin, and we've talked about it quite a bit.
Some of the work that I've been doing is like
and I said it with her out back, is like
that underlying idea that maybe she's right, and then it's
like resent anger, hostility.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And my physical manifestation.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Of that was like, you know, like aggression, like I
was a hockey player, right, and like my physical manifestation
of these feelings was banging my hands on tables and
punching walls in the hallway and charging. You know, I
texted Zach a couple of days ago when I I
saw like another angle of that hallway scene and I
(24:20):
didn't realize that I gave him a forearm shiver into
the wall on my way down to you know, fight Luke,
and I texted him like, dude, I am so sorry,
Like I never saw that angle before and I didn't
even know he was in the way. And yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Start to realize, you start to look at.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Collateral damage and how you were the one who dropped
the bomb, and you know, you have to realize you're
the one who dropped the bomb, right, so the collateral
damage is not the problem.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
You're the problem.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And you know, Kristin and I have known each other
for a long time, and you know that text message
led to kind of a relationship with Luke and we
started working out together and then it really has has
been incredible the relationship that Kristen, Luke and I have
have formed.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Suggested we got again to the most recent episode, this
boy's chap was a massacre.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Okay, again, you're on the waiting list, so don't ask
about it again, all right, boys, right now.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I don't want to be on it if it's going
to be a disaster again.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I want you to clear the air you have allegedly.
You know, I want to, I want to, I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I do not want to put words of your mouth,
So I want to be able to have you say it. Allegedly,
you send the group chat that your ex Michelle has
slept with a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night
before I move on. Is that true that you said
that I did. Yeah, okay, is it true that she
did that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't believe it's true, and I'm not never make
excuse for it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I literally will tell you. I'll be completely honest with you.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I was triggered, and you know, I one of the
things I'm working on is and I talked to Kristen
about it. When I'm triggered, I immediately and I got
a tattooed on my arm. Emotion Cloud's reason.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But uh, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
I I get very reactive when I'm triggered, and I
don't take that deep breath and I don't. I don't,
I don't say okay, like you know what situation.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Am I am?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I just get very very reactive. And I was triggered
by something that happened. I sent it. I immediately was
like I should unsend this, and now I have to
pay the consequences of it, and it's snowballs into you know.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I had this moment the other.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Day where you know, one day Isabella might be bullied
because of this thing that I did instead about her mother,
and I regret the second I hit sent.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Did you say it because somebody told you this?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Or like, how does how did that even come about
like you saying that.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean, honestly, I don't think it's worth giving any
more life to because I've apologized up and down to Michelle.
I've apologized to you know, even putting my friends in
that position to have to repeat it.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I don't want to. I don't want to put any
more life into it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Has Michelle accept your apology?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
She should not and probably will never.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Are you and Michelle today on speaking terms?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
We are?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I mean, you know, we've God, we've gotten so close.
I mean we had a moment, you know, in the
in the fall, and you'll see as the season plays out,
we were this close, and it's it's tough. It's a
tough ride, and we've had moments where I'll never forget.
I got a text message from Michelle and she's like,
Isabella wants.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Both of us to pick her up at school. I said, great,
come pick me up at my house.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Picked her up at school, and Michelle's like, do you
want to go get as i E bowls with us,
and I'm like, yeah, great, And then she came back
here and we watched Moana with Isabella and it's like,
you know, we're we're right there. You know, and it's
just it's difficult because you get so close and then
one thing happens and you both get triggered, and then
(28:26):
you take you know, you take two steps forward and
then it's thirty steps backwards. So we talk. You know,
it's it's going to be hard for her. Like I said,
you know this world, you film it, you have resolution,
and then you have to relive it. And you know,
I think it's hard for everybody in our in our
lives to go through that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And and we'll get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
At a place of forgiveness for Danny allegedly being the mall?
I think Danny the mall? Now you can think of
somebody else. You could think it's the twenty one other.
I Carlos King think Danny's the mole. He looked guilty,
he had, you know, deer call the headlights. I believe
Danny broke the bro code in a moment of pillow talk.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, because one.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Thing, I know, Jesse, men like to gossip too, but
men like to gossip when it comes to the ladies
because it's a safer space.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So do you think Danny is the mole? Danny was
the mole in this situation. But I will say, boys, boys,
if you have a boy's chat.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Use a different goddamn eye cloud than you use on
your iPad that your kids use to watch Blue all right, Like,
I don't think anybody's the mole, but god damn, why
do you and your wife share the same cloud account?
So yeah, I mean, look, Danny told me that, and
he asked if I was mad about it, and I'm like, no,
(30:08):
I'm not mad.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
It's just another fire that I'll have to put out.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And you know, you can't be mad at somebody if
you take your own accountability for your actions. Right, Danny
didn't say it, I didn't spread it. I said it,
and I regret it. And god, you know it's not
Danny's fault.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
You are a good man. I'm gonna say. I think
it's listen, I think it's fine.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But to me, to me, it's sort of just I
do shows about relationships, right, So I'm no when it
comes to couples that and there's there's nothing wrong with this,
but when you are in a relationship, you know, man,
do pillow talk and it is what it is. But
I thought it was more comedy that Danny looked so like, shit,
(30:54):
I got caught up. He looked did into the camera.
So to me, it was sort of like, man, you're guilty,
just be honest about it.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But I'm happy that he is. Danny's still in the
group chat.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Though Danny was Danny didn't last long after.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh you kicked him out?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean, I don't. I'm not the administrator on the
group chat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I I can't confirm or deny Danny's on the group chat.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
All right, we'll leave it chat. And you're talking about
pillow pillow talk. It kind of looked like Luke and
Danny were having pillow talk in that moment. I don't
know if it was Danny and Nea.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Looked like Danny and Luke were having a little little
cuddly pillow talk.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
So, you know, I hey to each their own.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, So before we wrap things up, you know, listen,
I love that this conversation is about your cleaning the air.
I did hear a rumor a little bit of information
about your past that I would like you to address.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
You ready for this, Jesse?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Is it true you dated Anna Nicole Smith?
Speaker 4 (32:06):
It is not true that I dated in a Nicole.
It is true that we had a relationship, but we
weren't like we weren't dating.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Have you watched a documentary on Netflix?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I have, Yeah, I have. I did not.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I did not get called to to give any feedback,
but but yeah, I did watch it.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Good to know. Listen, you're a legend. You're a legend.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Not too too many people can say that makes you
rest in peace. I mean, listen, she has taste. You're
a handsome guy. And I want to say this. I'm
happy we have this conversation because I can tell by
it there's a lot of growth, there's a lot of maturity,
and I do feel like you're somebody who is on
(32:54):
this path to just try to like figure things out.
And although as a reality star, like all of the
stars on reality television, you may go about it different ways,
but I do feel like you are somebody that lives
in the moment and once you see yourself reflect and
on television, I do feel like you use that as
(33:17):
an opportunity to do better.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
So I do want to applaud you for that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I know it's a tough business, the audience can be
very tough, but I do appreciate that you have not
allowed it to you know, crash out on social media.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So I just want to say, continue to do what
you're doing.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You are a fabulous, fabulous, fabulous addition to the show.
I'm obsessed with it. I'm looking forward to more things
with you. So is there anything you want to talk
to the audience about. You got promoting stuff where they
can find you, follow you, support anything you're doing.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, you can follow me on everything at Jesse Lally
j E S s E not I E J S
S E l A.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
L L why.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You can follow Isabella on Instagram as well, Isabella Lally. Yeah,
I mean it's it's gonna be an exciting, exciting season.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
For I think everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You know, we're we're gonna have a reunion this year
which everybody knows about, which is going to be exciting.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
My first time on the chair.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
We have you know, Watch what Happens Live coming up,
which is gonna be fun. I did it last year,
but but this year it'll be you know, it's a different,
different stage to be on.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But uh yeah, I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You know, people ask me all the time if if
reality is real and the truth is you know, human nature,
you throw a lot of things under the rug, right,
and it's like, oh, you know, she drank two bottles
of Savignon blanc.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Ha ha.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I can't believe she said that.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
But you have to realize that, you know, we're putting
positions where you have to think about it for three
or four days until you see somebody again and you're like, wow,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Believe she said that.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
How does that affect my career and my family and
my future? And you're put in a position to have
hard conversations that the majority of people brush under the rug.
And I think what you'll learn from reality TV and
what you should take into your own life is that
have those hard conversations because like the audience, you know,
(35:25):
I can, you know, accuse Michelle of being an escort,
but eventually it's it. You know, if you take accountability
for your actions and you have the hard conversation, it's
going to disappear eventually, right, But if you let it,
let it simmer and simmer and simmer, you're going to
have happen. What happened to Michelle and I. Michelle and
(35:46):
I had conversations for two years about separating, got a
new house, swept the dust under the rug and then
had to have those hard conversations and if you don't
have them now, it will destroy you and eat you alive.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's very true. That's very true. So listen.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
We're looking forward to the rest of the season and
rain Drops. You can catt A Valley every single Tuesday
on Bravo and then the next day on Peacock. Jesse,
thank you for stepping into Reality with the King and
I'll see you soon.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Thank you you are the King. Thank you so much
for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Thank you for listening to Reality with the Kings. New
episodes drop on Tuesdays and Thursdays, Share, comment, follow and
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