December 10, 2024 • 22 mins
90 The Rapture Debate – TS Wright
This episode of Revelation Warning features a deep dive into the controversial topic of the Rapture, a concept that has sparked extensive debate within Christian circles. Pastor Robert Thibodeau and his guest, Scott Wright, explore various interpretations of biblical passages related to the Rapture, discussing whether it is a pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, or post-tribulation event.
They highlight scriptural references that suggest a Rapture may occur before the tribulations described in Revelation, noting the absence of church references after chapter three as a significant point.
The conversation also touches on the current state of faith in America, the possibility of a coming revival, and the implications of a spiritual vacuum following the Rapture. As they navigate these complex themes, the hosts emphasize the importance of faith in Jesus Christ as the core requirement for believers, regardless of differing views on the Rapture itself.
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Welcome to Revelation Warning,a weekly podcast hosted by Pastor
Robert Thibodeau as heinterviews prophecy experts from
around the world as we discusscurrent events in relation to Bible
prophecy.
All of this is to give theworld a final Revelation Warning.
Now here is your host withthis week's guest, Pastor Robert
(00:29):
Thibodeau.
Foreign.
Hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today.
One of the big topics inChristian circles and it has been
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ever since, well, let's justsay John wrote the book of Revelation,
is talking about the Rapture.
You know, this rapture debate,you know, is it pre trib, mid trip,
post trip, Is there a rapture?
Is there not a rapture?
Well, that's why we invitedour great friend Scott Wright back
again today to answer those questions.
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Praise God.
Help me.
Welcome back to the program,Scott Wright.
Scott, it is a blessing tohave you back on getting with us
today, buddy.
Hey, great to be here andlooking forward to another fruitful
discussion.
Amen.
Amen.
So many Christians anddenominations, they, they debate.
I mean, they actually have,let's just say, strong opinions on
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this concept of.
Concerning the Rapture.
In your view, does the Bibleexplicitly teach that there will
be a rapture?
And if so, where is it mentioned?
Well, there's, there'sdefinitely some mention of things
that would basically lead usto believe that there is one, you
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know, talks about, you know,two women in there, one's gone, the
other stay, and two, two menout in the field.
One goes and the other stays.
And we're, you know, we'vegot, we've got mention of things
like that.
We've got things.
It'll happen in the twinkle ofan eye.
But I think the wedding feastreally spells it out best in that
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you have g.
You know, Jesus is thebridegroom, but the father is the
only one that gets to know this.
All right.
Yeah.
And he tells the bridegroomwhen to go get his bride.
And it's usually comes at atime and an hour where people are
asleep and they're not prepared.
And, you know, you have theparable of the virgins and you know,
with the, some of them havethe oil in their lamp, the others
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don't.
They can't share because theyonly have enough for themselves.
And you know, so there's,there are definitely hints that there's
something.
But I, here's the biggesthint, and this is one that really
tells me that something isgoing to happen and then whether
you want to believe it's arapture or something else.
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I guess that's up to you atthis point.
But the evidence shows, if youread the book of Revelation, after
chapter three, there's reallyno mention of the church.
Amen.
That's right.
There's no mention of it.
And.
And to me, that shows thatthere's something.
And as, and what'sinteresting, you.
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You get the seven seals andthe seven trumpets and then the seven
bowls of wrath.
And as.
As the heat basically getsturned up by God.
Okay.
As.
As it's being turned up on thepeople, they not only won't repent,
it talks about them notrepenting, and it says that over
and over, but they stillrefuse to repent.
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They still won't repent.
Yeah, well, the churchrepents, so that means the people
that are there, that are stillon earth are not repenting.
Right.
Well, that tells us that thechurch is not there.
That's a.
That's at least a clue thatthey're not present.
Amen.
They won't repent.
They won't repent.
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They won't repent.
And then it also startsmentioning they're cursing God.
Yeah.
So we have a lot of peoplethat don't believe in God now cursing
God.
So my question is this.
And.
And this is the question I ask.
And obviously we.
No one can perfectly answerthis because it doesn't give that
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level of a scientific.
You know, it doesn't givethis, like, complete total picture.
There's a mystery to it.
If there, if the rapturehappens, are people going to see
it?
Like, it's not just peoplejust disappearing, but people are
going to see something wherethey see something come out of the
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sky.
It looks like a big figure,and they see the people literally
rising up like they physicallysee it.
And now they know there is aGod and they've missed it, but instead
of repenting, they go theother way with it.
They're mad.
Yeah.
Thinking they deserve that, man.
Amen.
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And so, plus, it just seemslike they don't repent.
We always know that when thereare people preaching, a few people
listen, there's always a fewpeople that'll listen.
Even if there's not a human.
It's just one.
Yeah, yeah, there's just one.
But there's.
But the, the Book ofRevelation is giving that clue that
no one is repenting.
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Like, there's just not thisoverarching repentance.
I know it talks about the144,000, but really, that's talking
about the Remnant of Israel.
And we know that.
So what is this?
You know, what is that?
Where in there would we comeup with the fact that is it mid tribal?
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Is it post trib?
I mean, this is just making itseem like if there is a rapture,
that it's going to happen atsome point before this tribulation
starts.
Amen.
But how do you interpretpassages like, you know, First Thessalonians
4:16 and 17, or FirstCorinthians 15:52 in the context
of the Rapture?
I mean, do these versesindicate a pre trib event?
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Well, I think when you matchthat up, in light of what you're
seeing, what you read inRevelation, I think it definitely
lends credibility to that argument.
So that, does that mean thatit's 100%?
Of course not.
I mean, anybody who says that,nobody knows 100%.
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And you know, I've prayed andprayed about that stuff, and the
Holy Spirit has never given mean oppression one way or the other.
I, I've, I've beenimpressions, a lot of things.
I've had, you know, I've hadprophecy spoken over me by the Holy
Spirit.
I've never had anything eitherway spoken to my heart about that.
And I don't.
And anybody else that saysthey have, again, I still think that
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that call totally comes downto that.
Only the Father knows.
I don't think he's going togive anybody that total impression
of exactly when and you know,that timeline.
But I do believe that theevidence of the Bible, the verses
you're talking about, thestuff talked about in the Gospel,
you know, it's talked about inthe Gospel as well.
Jesus mentions this, a lot ofthis type of stuff.
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And when they're talking aboutthat in these different verses and
these different passages, Ithink the way it lines up with revelation,
it, it indicates or at leastgives some evidence, an indication
that it is going to be pre Trib.
And I think that's why thechurch has come to that conclusion.
Amen.
You know, well, back when Iwas in Bible school, way back in
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98, 99, I heard a clarifyingstatement concerning First Thessalonians
4:16, that it just, I mean, itjust, in my opinion, accurately explains,
you know, why that term inthere, the dead shall rise first,
then we're caught up with them.
And since I learned thisreason, I've never had any doubts
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about this Scripture ever since.
And the deal, the, the reasonthe dead rise first is because they
have six feet farther totravel than we do.
That makes sense.
That's Funny.
They have six feet.
They got six feet farther togo, so that's why they got to get
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up first.
So I think Jesse Duplantissaid that I just busted up laughing.
It was great.
That's kind of funny.
So, I mean, when you'retalking about the Rapture, I mean,
it actually causes divisionwithin denominations and stuff.
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And you got somedenominations, there's no such thing
as a Rapture.
And then the other ones are,oh, yeah.
And it's gonna happen first.
Well, it's not gonna happen first.
It's gonna happen in the middle.
Yeah.
Why can't they just comearound to a consensus?
Like, we don't know, we don't care.
Because whenever it has,that's my opinion.
If it happens pre, I'm gone.
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If happens mid, I'll be gone too.
If I got to go through thetribulation, I don't care.
I'm gonna get in on itwhenever it's gonna take place.
Well, I.
I will tell you.
And I've.
And I've used the passage thatI actually like to use.
And yes, I've.
Thessalonians, full personalThessalonians 4 and know stuff in
Corinthians, I always like togo to Matthew, chapter 24.
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Y.
Jesus is directly speakingthis in Matthew 24.
And I would encourage you toread people, to read the whole chapter,
because that whole chapter deals.
It kind of.
It gives you a sense of a timeline.
When you start reading aboutthe statue in Daniel, you start reading
this, you read the book ofRevelation, and then you include
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these other passages, justlike in the Book of Amos, how Israel
is going to be put in theirland and never again to be uprooted.
When you start putting allthat together, it really gives you
a sense of there is somethingthat's going to remove the church.
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Israel's still going to bethere, but the church is not going
to be a voice anymore.
Because if people aren'trepenting, the church is not a voice.
Yep.
As a matter of fact, Iactually kind of wonder myself in
this as well, is that I'm noteven sure the Muslim faith will be
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present anymore.
Because here's what we do know.
When people believe in God, atleast that God's there, if they're
given the evidence that it'sdifferent, they'll change.
We see it all the time, andthat includes somebody who's, you
know, has some type of anIslamic belief.
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But people who are.
Don't believe in God at all.
They'll.
They'll take the mindset withtheir intellect, either explain it
away.
Yeah.
Or they will rebel against it.
It just, it always seems likepeople who don't believe struggle
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with that more, especiallywhen it's their intellect.
That's their, their primaryway of trying to see something.
You know, intellect only goesso far.
But it even says knowledgepuffs up.
Yeah, that's right.
Gotta have wisdom.
Exactly right.
You know, if it's justknowledge, without wisdom, you have
no, you're just, you're justkind of a floating person.
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You know, you have no.
You have no standard.
You don't have a foundation.
Yeah.
And, and I've met a lot ofpeople and talked with them and we
talk apologetics and stuff,but the problem is, is they focus
so much on the technical.
There's also an emotionalargument there, and I always try
to include that, but they,they just cannot grasp the experience
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of Jesus.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, and then you look atlike Revelation 4.
I mean, like I said, does thissymbolize the rapture of the church
as a whole that takes placebefore the tribulation period starts,
or are we looking at, youknow, some people talk about the
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collapse of the church,influence that is happening right
now.
So are we going to beindividualized in the rapture, or
is it like church, come onhome, and then everybody goes up.
So here's, here's kind of whatI think.
And, and again, this is justmy educated guess and just praying
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through it.
And what I think will happenis I think there is going to be one
more great revival, but Ithink we need it.
And, and we need it bad.
Yes.
I think there's not any question.
We now know that about 30% ofall Americans don't believe in God
or they're.
It's either agnostic, atheist,or don't even have a thought of it.
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It's like maybe it's there,you know, it's just.
But it's some distant thing.
So there's, there's definitelya disconnect with people, with God.
It's almost a third of Americans.
And I would say, I think it'smore than that.
I think in Europe it's evenmore than that, and I think in Europe
it's more than that.
So when you combine Westerncivilization into that bowl, I would
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say that it's about half.
On some level.
Yeah.
They'll acknowledge it, butthere's not really.
And then the, the other question.
I've asked pastors this before.
How much of theircongregations really follow Christ?
Really follow Christ.
They'll usually give Me anumber somewhere between 5 and 15%.
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That is really low.
Yeah, that means the.
The highest number I've everheard is 15%.
I'll just say that that meansa minimum of 85% are not living out
the gospel.
They are not being transformed.
So here's the thing.
I think we're going to have arevival, but then I also think there's
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going to be this phasing out.
And we do know this, and we doknow this because Jesus said this,
is that the whole world mustbe preached the gospel.
Well, the whole world has notheard all the gospel.
So during this revival andprobably towards the end of it, I
believe that there will bewhatever's left, whatever remnant
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on earth has not heard thegospel will hear it.
Every tongue, tribe andnation, you know, and it says that
in Revelation too.
So that kind of a confirmedthat worthy is the Lamb who has bought
by his blood every tongue,tribe and nation for God.
So that means every tongue,tribe and nation has to hear the
gospel first.
Yeah.
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So you.
Those two verses, those twopassages line up.
And so we have this coming together.
Then we're going to have thisdegrading, a quick degrading, I believe.
And then it's really going tobe the parable of, you know, it's.
To me, it's really just goingto be the parable of the weeds, you
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know, or the taris, the wheatand the tars.
Because there's going to comea time of testing that's really going
to separate that.
Yeah.
One thing people need tounderstand about that parable is
that they usually read it inEnglish as wheat and weeds.
It's not weeds.
Tari's is a type of weed thatlooks exactly like wheat until it
is fully grown.
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And then what they do is theytake it and they have to start separating
it and they beat it to getthat out.
You can look, you want to gowatch people go watch the Amish take
care of this stuff.
I mean, they, they do this.
They work with that kind of stuff.
And my wife was describing itwhen we were talking about it one
time, and she, she had seen.
She had physically seen howthey handle that.
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And so.
And then of course, Jesussays, you know, the, the Taurus is
going to be thrown in the fireto be burned and got rid of and the
wheat.
So there's going to be this separation.
And I think we're going to see that.
And then when we see thatseparation, and then I believe that
actually the building of thethird temple will end the last.
This last stage of the church.
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And I've said this before, andI'm not, I'm not going to say that
it's a perfect prophecy or anyof this stuff, so don't get into
that.
My educated opinion on lookingat all the evidence that we, you
and I have talked about withthe seven ages of the church, I think
this thing's going to be builtin the 2000-30s at some point.
And when that, when that isbuilt, that's going to be the end
of the church.
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And then we've talked aboutthe, the super tetrad.
And then seven years, another tetrad.
So from 2043 to 2044 is asuper tetrad.
From 2050 to 2051 is a tetrad.
So, so there's the seven years.
So sometime between thebuilding of that third temple and
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that could be a time of howthe church, at that point, the church
is removed.
Amen.
So it gives you kind of a,like, you'll know the, you'll know
the signs of the times.
You just won't know the dayand the hour.
Right.
Amen.
And I, and I think we'reseeing, and I don't think it's that
hard to see with the way thechurch age is going that we're seeing
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a phasing out.
I think we'll see a revivalbecause people are empty right now.
But then when the time oftesting starts to come, some of those,
a lot of those people fall away.
And then there'll be a raptureand then, you know, after the Third
Temple's built and then afterthe Rapture, the tribulation will
start.
So Amen.
And I also, training force isgone after the Rapture.
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And I think there'll be thatattack on Israel.
And when that happens, what Ithink is going to happen when that
occurs, it's not going todestroy all Islam, but I think it's
going to remove its influenceand there's going to be this huge
spiritual vacuum in society.
And that's where theAntichrist can rise.
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And we've talked about itcould be a person, it could be AI
the way that's going, or atleast the combination of two.
Yeah.
So there's, there's, there'sdefinitely things in place where
I can see it now.
I remember people used to talkabout it when I was a kid and when
I was my college years in the90s and even the early 2000, I like,
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I don't see it.
You know, I just, now I cansee it because there's so many things
being put in place.
9 11.
It was really the kickoff.
Yep, yep.
Because think about it, webecame look at the level of surveillance
that was developed and in putin place after 9 11.
It really spearheaded thewhole movement of.
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Okay, now I'm starting to seethat this is possible.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
Scott, this has been so interesting.
I, I could keep going, butwe're up against the clock again.
If someone has a question orlike to reach out to you for more
information, maybe do aninterview like this, how can they
do that?
How can someone get in touchwith you?
You bet.
Just email me at GCC GodCentered Concept 2038 mail.com and
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also we're going to be verysoon putting out our YouTube channel.
We've got everything now in place.
We're building our own studioand that actually is going to be
in place this week and we'll be.
Praise God.
Yeah, we'll be, we'll bemoving forward so people can tune
into the YouTube channel andhey, you can actually see my face.
So there you go.
Amen.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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I don't know.
We're gonna be talking about awhole multitude of topics.
We're.
Amen.
We decide we're going to mixit up.
We'll have some discipleshiptraining on there, but we're also
going to be talking aboutthings like this.
We're going to be usingcurrent events.
We'll talk a little bit, not aton of politics.
And we're going to include alittle bit of that because we think
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it's relevant to have somecurrent events in there.
Amen.
Well folks, I'll put links allthis in the show notes down below,
but folks, everything Scott'sbeen sharing with us, we know it
is going to happen.
The Bible says so it will happen.
The only question is, will yoube ready for it?
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I mean, you don't have tobelieve in the pre Trib rapture.
You don't have to believe inthe midterm rapture or the post Trib
rapture.
You don't have to believe theRapture will occur at all.
Nope.
The only thing you do need tobelieve in is Jesus is the Christ,
the anointed Messiah.
That's the only thing, theonly requirement that he did live
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a sinless life on this earthand sacrifice himself for all of
us and that God honored hissacrifice for all time in our behalf
and that he is going to returnfor us during what the Bible calls
the end of days.
That's all you gotta believe in.
Amen.
Whether or not you believewe're living in the end days doesn't
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matter at all because each andevery person, if Jesus tarries, will
see their end of days happenat some point in time.
Amen.
Oh, don't shut me down.
I'm preaching.
Good.
Praise God.
Just drop down the show notes.
Reach out to Scott Wright, askhim your questions.
Praise God.
Who knows, we may be coveringone of your questions on a future
program.
Hey man, Scott, as usual, it'sbeen great, man.
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I appreciate you taking thattime out of your schedule to come
join us today.
Hey, and I'm looking forwardto the next one, Bob.
So it's always great.
As always.
Amen, folks.
That's all the time we havefor today for Scott, right?
Myself passed by.
Remind you to be blessed, allthat you do.
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Welcome to Revelation Warning,a weekly podcast hosted by Pastor
Robert Thibodeau as heinterviews prophecy experts from
around the world as we discusscurrent events in relation to Bible
prophecy.
All of this is to give theworld a final Revelation Warning.
Now here is your host withthis week's guest, Pastor Robert
(00:29):
Thibodeau.
Foreign.
Hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today.
One of the big topics inChristian circles and it has been
(00:51):
ever since, well, let's justsay John wrote the book of Revelation,
is talking about the Rapture.
You know, this rapture debate,you know, is it pre trib, mid trip,
post trip, Is there a rapture?
Is there not a rapture?
Well, that's why we invitedour great friend Scott Wright back
again today to answer those questions.
(01:11):
Praise God.
Help me.
Welcome back to the program,Scott Wright.
Scott, it is a blessing tohave you back on getting with us
today, buddy.
Hey, great to be here andlooking forward to another fruitful
discussion.
Amen.
Amen.
So many Christians anddenominations, they, they debate.
I mean, they actually have,let's just say, strong opinions on
(01:34):
this concept of.
Concerning the Rapture.
In your view, does the Bibleexplicitly teach that there will
be a rapture?
And if so, where is it mentioned?
Well, there's, there'sdefinitely some mention of things
that would basically lead usto believe that there is one, you
(01:55):
know, talks about, you know,two women in there, one's gone, the
other stay, and two, two menout in the field.
One goes and the other stays.
And we're, you know, we'vegot, we've got mention of things
like that.
We've got things.
It'll happen in the twinkle ofan eye.
But I think the wedding feastreally spells it out best in that
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you have g.
You know, Jesus is thebridegroom, but the father is the
only one that gets to know this.
All right.
Yeah.
And he tells the bridegroomwhen to go get his bride.
And it's usually comes at atime and an hour where people are
asleep and they're not prepared.
And, you know, you have theparable of the virgins and you know,
with the, some of them havethe oil in their lamp, the others
(02:37):
don't.
They can't share because theyonly have enough for themselves.
And you know, so there's,there are definitely hints that there's
something.
But I, here's the biggesthint, and this is one that really
tells me that something isgoing to happen and then whether
you want to believe it's arapture or something else.
(02:58):
I guess that's up to you atthis point.
But the evidence shows, if youread the book of Revelation, after
chapter three, there's reallyno mention of the church.
Amen.
That's right.
There's no mention of it.
And.
And to me, that shows thatthere's something.
And as, and what'sinteresting, you.
(03:19):
You get the seven seals andthe seven trumpets and then the seven
bowls of wrath.
And as.
As the heat basically getsturned up by God.
Okay.
As.
As it's being turned up on thepeople, they not only won't repent,
it talks about them notrepenting, and it says that over
and over, but they stillrefuse to repent.
(03:40):
They still won't repent.
Yeah, well, the churchrepents, so that means the people
that are there, that are stillon earth are not repenting.
Right.
Well, that tells us that thechurch is not there.
That's a.
That's at least a clue thatthey're not present.
Amen.
They won't repent.
They won't repent.
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They won't repent.
And then it also startsmentioning they're cursing God.
Yeah.
So we have a lot of peoplethat don't believe in God now cursing
God.
So my question is this.
And.
And this is the question I ask.
And obviously we.
No one can perfectly answerthis because it doesn't give that
(04:23):
level of a scientific.
You know, it doesn't givethis, like, complete total picture.
There's a mystery to it.
If there, if the rapturehappens, are people going to see
it?
Like, it's not just peoplejust disappearing, but people are
going to see something wherethey see something come out of the
(04:43):
sky.
It looks like a big figure,and they see the people literally
rising up like they physicallysee it.
And now they know there is aGod and they've missed it, but instead
of repenting, they go theother way with it.
They're mad.
Yeah.
Thinking they deserve that, man.
Amen.
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And so, plus, it just seemslike they don't repent.
We always know that when thereare people preaching, a few people
listen, there's always a fewpeople that'll listen.
Even if there's not a human.
It's just one.
Yeah, yeah, there's just one.
But there's.
But the, the Book ofRevelation is giving that clue that
no one is repenting.
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Like, there's just not thisoverarching repentance.
I know it talks about the144,000, but really, that's talking
about the Remnant of Israel.
And we know that.
So what is this?
You know, what is that?
Where in there would we comeup with the fact that is it mid tribal?
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Is it post trib?
I mean, this is just making itseem like if there is a rapture,
that it's going to happen atsome point before this tribulation
starts.
Amen.
But how do you interpretpassages like, you know, First Thessalonians
4:16 and 17, or FirstCorinthians 15:52 in the context
of the Rapture?
I mean, do these versesindicate a pre trib event?
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Well, I think when you matchthat up, in light of what you're
seeing, what you read inRevelation, I think it definitely
lends credibility to that argument.
So that, does that mean thatit's 100%?
Of course not.
I mean, anybody who says that,nobody knows 100%.
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And you know, I've prayed andprayed about that stuff, and the
Holy Spirit has never given mean oppression one way or the other.
I, I've, I've beenimpressions, a lot of things.
I've had, you know, I've hadprophecy spoken over me by the Holy
Spirit.
I've never had anything eitherway spoken to my heart about that.
And I don't.
And anybody else that saysthey have, again, I still think that
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that call totally comes downto that.
Only the Father knows.
I don't think he's going togive anybody that total impression
of exactly when and you know,that timeline.
But I do believe that theevidence of the Bible, the verses
you're talking about, thestuff talked about in the Gospel,
you know, it's talked about inthe Gospel as well.
Jesus mentions this, a lot ofthis type of stuff.
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And when they're talking aboutthat in these different verses and
these different passages, Ithink the way it lines up with revelation,
it, it indicates or at leastgives some evidence, an indication
that it is going to be pre Trib.
And I think that's why thechurch has come to that conclusion.
Amen.
You know, well, back when Iwas in Bible school, way back in
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98, 99, I heard a clarifyingstatement concerning First Thessalonians
4:16, that it just, I mean, itjust, in my opinion, accurately explains,
you know, why that term inthere, the dead shall rise first,
then we're caught up with them.
And since I learned thisreason, I've never had any doubts
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about this Scripture ever since.
And the deal, the, the reasonthe dead rise first is because they
have six feet farther totravel than we do.
That makes sense.
That's Funny.
They have six feet.
They got six feet farther togo, so that's why they got to get
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up first.
So I think Jesse Duplantissaid that I just busted up laughing.
It was great.
That's kind of funny.
So, I mean, when you'retalking about the Rapture, I mean,
it actually causes divisionwithin denominations and stuff.
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And you got somedenominations, there's no such thing
as a Rapture.
And then the other ones are,oh, yeah.
And it's gonna happen first.
Well, it's not gonna happen first.
It's gonna happen in the middle.
Yeah.
Why can't they just comearound to a consensus?
Like, we don't know, we don't care.
Because whenever it has,that's my opinion.
If it happens pre, I'm gone.
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If happens mid, I'll be gone too.
If I got to go through thetribulation, I don't care.
I'm gonna get in on itwhenever it's gonna take place.
Well, I.
I will tell you.
And I've.
And I've used the passage thatI actually like to use.
And yes, I've.
Thessalonians, full personalThessalonians 4 and know stuff in
Corinthians, I always like togo to Matthew, chapter 24.
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Y.
Jesus is directly speakingthis in Matthew 24.
And I would encourage you toread people, to read the whole chapter,
because that whole chapter deals.
It kind of.
It gives you a sense of a timeline.
When you start reading aboutthe statue in Daniel, you start reading
this, you read the book ofRevelation, and then you include
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these other passages, justlike in the Book of Amos, how Israel
is going to be put in theirland and never again to be uprooted.
When you start putting allthat together, it really gives you
a sense of there is somethingthat's going to remove the church.
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Israel's still going to bethere, but the church is not going
to be a voice anymore.
Because if people aren'trepenting, the church is not a voice.
Yep.
As a matter of fact, Iactually kind of wonder myself in
this as well, is that I'm noteven sure the Muslim faith will be
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present anymore.
Because here's what we do know.
When people believe in God, atleast that God's there, if they're
given the evidence that it'sdifferent, they'll change.
We see it all the time, andthat includes somebody who's, you
know, has some type of anIslamic belief.
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But people who are.
Don't believe in God at all.
They'll.
They'll take the mindset withtheir intellect, either explain it
away.
Yeah.
Or they will rebel against it.
It just, it always seems likepeople who don't believe struggle
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with that more, especiallywhen it's their intellect.
That's their, their primaryway of trying to see something.
You know, intellect only goesso far.
But it even says knowledgepuffs up.
Yeah, that's right.
Gotta have wisdom.
Exactly right.
You know, if it's justknowledge, without wisdom, you have
no, you're just, you're justkind of a floating person.
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You know, you have no.
You have no standard.
You don't have a foundation.
Yeah.
And, and I've met a lot ofpeople and talked with them and we
talk apologetics and stuff,but the problem is, is they focus
so much on the technical.
There's also an emotionalargument there, and I always try
to include that, but they,they just cannot grasp the experience
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of Jesus.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, and then you look atlike Revelation 4.
I mean, like I said, does thissymbolize the rapture of the church
as a whole that takes placebefore the tribulation period starts,
or are we looking at, youknow, some people talk about the
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collapse of the church,influence that is happening right
now.
So are we going to beindividualized in the rapture, or
is it like church, come onhome, and then everybody goes up.
So here's, here's kind of whatI think.
And, and again, this is justmy educated guess and just praying
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through it.
And what I think will happenis I think there is going to be one
more great revival, but Ithink we need it.
And, and we need it bad.
Yes.
I think there's not any question.
We now know that about 30% ofall Americans don't believe in God
or they're.
It's either agnostic, atheist,or don't even have a thought of it.
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It's like maybe it's there,you know, it's just.
But it's some distant thing.
So there's, there's definitelya disconnect with people, with God.
It's almost a third of Americans.
And I would say, I think it'smore than that.
I think in Europe it's evenmore than that, and I think in Europe
it's more than that.
So when you combine Westerncivilization into that bowl, I would
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say that it's about half.
On some level.
Yeah.
They'll acknowledge it, butthere's not really.
And then the, the other question.
I've asked pastors this before.
How much of theircongregations really follow Christ?
Really follow Christ.
They'll usually give Me anumber somewhere between 5 and 15%.
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That is really low.
Yeah, that means the.
The highest number I've everheard is 15%.
I'll just say that that meansa minimum of 85% are not living out
the gospel.
They are not being transformed.
So here's the thing.
I think we're going to have arevival, but then I also think there's
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going to be this phasing out.
And we do know this, and we doknow this because Jesus said this,
is that the whole world mustbe preached the gospel.
Well, the whole world has notheard all the gospel.
So during this revival andprobably towards the end of it, I
believe that there will bewhatever's left, whatever remnant
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on earth has not heard thegospel will hear it.
Every tongue, tribe andnation, you know, and it says that
in Revelation too.
So that kind of a confirmedthat worthy is the Lamb who has bought
by his blood every tongue,tribe and nation for God.
So that means every tongue,tribe and nation has to hear the
gospel first.
Yeah.
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So you.
Those two verses, those twopassages line up.
And so we have this coming together.
Then we're going to have thisdegrading, a quick degrading, I believe.
And then it's really going tobe the parable of, you know, it's.
To me, it's really just goingto be the parable of the weeds, you
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know, or the taris, the wheatand the tars.
Because there's going to comea time of testing that's really going
to separate that.
Yeah.
One thing people need tounderstand about that parable is
that they usually read it inEnglish as wheat and weeds.
It's not weeds.
Tari's is a type of weed thatlooks exactly like wheat until it
is fully grown.
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And then what they do is theytake it and they have to start separating
it and they beat it to getthat out.
You can look, you want to gowatch people go watch the Amish take
care of this stuff.
I mean, they, they do this.
They work with that kind of stuff.
And my wife was describing itwhen we were talking about it one
time, and she, she had seen.
She had physically seen howthey handle that.
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And so.
And then of course, Jesussays, you know, the, the Taurus is
going to be thrown in the fireto be burned and got rid of and the
wheat.
So there's going to be this separation.
And I think we're going to see that.
And then when we see thatseparation, and then I believe that
actually the building of thethird temple will end the last.
This last stage of the church.
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And I've said this before, andI'm not, I'm not going to say that
it's a perfect prophecy or anyof this stuff, so don't get into
that.
My educated opinion on lookingat all the evidence that we, you
and I have talked about withthe seven ages of the church, I think
this thing's going to be builtin the 2000-30s at some point.
And when that, when that isbuilt, that's going to be the end
of the church.
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And then we've talked aboutthe, the super tetrad.
And then seven years, another tetrad.
So from 2043 to 2044 is asuper tetrad.
From 2050 to 2051 is a tetrad.
So, so there's the seven years.
So sometime between thebuilding of that third temple and
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that could be a time of howthe church, at that point, the church
is removed.
Amen.
So it gives you kind of a,like, you'll know the, you'll know
the signs of the times.
You just won't know the dayand the hour.
Right.
Amen.
And I, and I think we'reseeing, and I don't think it's that
hard to see with the way thechurch age is going that we're seeing
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a phasing out.
I think we'll see a revivalbecause people are empty right now.
But then when the time oftesting starts to come, some of those,
a lot of those people fall away.
And then there'll be a raptureand then, you know, after the Third
Temple's built and then afterthe Rapture, the tribulation will
start.
So Amen.
And I also, training force isgone after the Rapture.
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And I think there'll be thatattack on Israel.
And when that happens, what Ithink is going to happen when that
occurs, it's not going todestroy all Islam, but I think it's
going to remove its influenceand there's going to be this huge
spiritual vacuum in society.
And that's where theAntichrist can rise.
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And we've talked about itcould be a person, it could be AI
the way that's going, or atleast the combination of two.
Yeah.
So there's, there's, there'sdefinitely things in place where
I can see it now.
I remember people used to talkabout it when I was a kid and when
I was my college years in the90s and even the early 2000, I like,
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I don't see it.
You know, I just, now I cansee it because there's so many things
being put in place.
9 11.
It was really the kickoff.
Yep, yep.
Because think about it, webecame look at the level of surveillance
that was developed and in putin place after 9 11.
It really spearheaded thewhole movement of.
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Okay, now I'm starting to seethat this is possible.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
Scott, this has been so interesting.
I, I could keep going, butwe're up against the clock again.
If someone has a question orlike to reach out to you for more
information, maybe do aninterview like this, how can they
do that?
How can someone get in touchwith you?
You bet.
Just email me at GCC GodCentered Concept 2038 mail.com and
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also we're going to be verysoon putting out our YouTube channel.
We've got everything now in place.
We're building our own studioand that actually is going to be
in place this week and we'll be.
Praise God.
Yeah, we'll be, we'll bemoving forward so people can tune
into the YouTube channel andhey, you can actually see my face.
So there you go.
Amen.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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I don't know.
We're gonna be talking about awhole multitude of topics.
We're.
Amen.
We decide we're going to mixit up.
We'll have some discipleshiptraining on there, but we're also
going to be talking aboutthings like this.
We're going to be usingcurrent events.
We'll talk a little bit, not aton of politics.
And we're going to include alittle bit of that because we think
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it's relevant to have somecurrent events in there.
Amen.
Well folks, I'll put links allthis in the show notes down below,
but folks, everything Scott'sbeen sharing with us, we know it
is going to happen.
The Bible says so it will happen.
The only question is, will yoube ready for it?
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I mean, you don't have tobelieve in the pre Trib rapture.
You don't have to believe inthe midterm rapture or the post Trib
rapture.
You don't have to believe theRapture will occur at all.
Nope.
The only thing you do need tobelieve in is Jesus is the Christ,
the anointed Messiah.
That's the only thing, theonly requirement that he did live
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a sinless life on this earthand sacrifice himself for all of
us and that God honored hissacrifice for all time in our behalf
and that he is going to returnfor us during what the Bible calls
the end of days.
That's all you gotta believe in.
Amen.
Whether or not you believewe're living in the end days doesn't
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matter at all because each andevery person, if Jesus tarries, will
see their end of days happenat some point in time.
Amen.
Oh, don't shut me down.
I'm preaching.
Good.
Praise God.
Just drop down the show notes.
Reach out to Scott Wright, askhim your questions.
Praise God.
Who knows, we may be coveringone of your questions on a future
program.
Hey man, Scott, as usual, it'sbeen great, man.
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I appreciate you taking thattime out of your schedule to come
join us today.
Hey, and I'm looking forwardto the next one, Bob.
So it's always great.
As always.
Amen, folks.
That's all the time we havefor today for Scott, right?
Myself passed by.
Remind you to be blessed, allthat you do.
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