February 24, 2025 • 34 mins
Decoding Biblical Prophecy - TS Wright
Scott Wright is back with more information on the profound urgency of spiritual readiness in anticipation of Christ's return.
We look into the pressing question of whether we are adequately prepared for this eventuality, a concern that resonates deeply amidst the current global turmoil.
This episode features an enlightening dialogue with Daniel Ochoa, a seasoned Bible teacher and author of "Time Is Running Out," who offers valuable insights into the signs of the times as articulated in scripture. As we explore the implications of biblical prophecy, we encourage listeners to reflect on their relationship with God and the necessity of living with intentionality and faith. Ultimately, this conversation serves as a clarion call to examine the state of one's soul and to embrace the urgency of our spiritual journey.
Takeaways:
- The podcast emphasizes the importance of spiritual readiness in anticipation of Christ's return, urging believers to reflect on their faith.
- Daniel Ochoa, the guest, shares his transformative journey from viewing God as a distant figure to recognizing the cost of true discipleship.
- The discussion highlights the misconception that individuals have ample time to prepare for the end times, stressing that readiness must be prioritized now.
- Listeners are encouraged to discern the signs of the times through scripture, emphasizing the need for vigilance in faith.
- The urgency of living intentionally as Christians is underscored, as Ochoa provides insights from his extensive study of biblical prophecy.
- The episode concludes with a reminder of the critical nature of spiritual preparedness in the face of uncertain times.
CONTACT INFORMATION:
Email: daniel@timeisrunningoutthebook.com
Website: https://timeisrunningoutthebook.com
Book: “Time is Running Out” – on Amazon
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Welcome to Revelation Warning,a weekly podcast hosted by Pastor
Robert Thibodeau as heinterviews prophecy experts from
around the world as we discusscurrent events in relation to Bible
prophecy.
All of this is to give theworld a final revelation warning.
Now, here is your host withthis week's guest, Pastor Robert
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Thibodeau.
Foreign hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today, folks.
Let me ask you something here.
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Are we truly prepared for thereturn of Christ?
Are we just falling into thetrap of assuming there's always going
to be more time?
Today, we're going to divedeep into what the Bible has to say
about spiritual readiness andthe signs that point to his return.
Could this be the finalgeneration that is about to witness
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it?
If you've ever wonderedwhether we are truly living in the
end times of what it means tobe spiritually ready, you will not
want to miss today's conversation.
Amen.
My guest today is DanielOchoa, a dedicated Bible teacher,
author of Time Is Running Out.
It's a powerful book thatchallenges believers to reflect on
their spiritual readiness forChrist's return.
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With over 25 years of studyingand teaching God's Word, including
13 years with Bible StudyFellowship, Daniel brings deep insights
into biblical prophecy and theurgency of living with faith and
intentionality.
Help me welcome to the programDaniel Ochoa.
Daniel, it's a blessing tofinally get you on the program today,
brother.
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Wow.
Thank you for inviting me.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Amen.
Now, the first question Ialways start with is this.
Other than that briefinformation I just shared, can you
tell us in your own words, whois Daniel Ochoa?
Yeah.
So, you know, I grew up in afamily in Michigan, have four brothers
or four siblings, twobrothers, two sisters, grew up in
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a Catholic home.
And even though we went tochurch every Sunday, none of us in
the entire house knew the Bible.
And I discovered who Jesus wason Christmas morning.
When I discovered that therewas no Santa Claus.
My mother kind of told me alittle bit about Jesus, but her knowledge
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was probably just as much asan atheist knows about Jesus.
And so for the next 25 yearsor so, Jesus was like Santa Claus
to me.
You know, as long as I lived agood life, I was okay.
And then in my early 30s, Iwas attending church for about four
or five years on a regular basis.
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And the pastor started talkingabout the road to heaven and hell.
And when he said the road toheaven is very narrow and only A
few find woke me up.
I realized that it's more thanjust going to church and owning a
Bible and even going to aSunday school class.
And so I asked the pastor ifwe could have lunch after the service,
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and he said yes.
And he explained the gospel to me.
But then he did something thatmost people don't do.
He explained the cost tofollow Jesus.
But he did tell me, living inAmerica, there's not that much cost.
But, you know, it may cost yousome friends, it may cost you your
job.
You know, if you lived inother parts of the world, it could
cost you your life.
And I realized that it wasmore than just confession with your
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mouth.
Even though the Bible says,you know, you confess with your mouth,
but it also says, believe inyour heart, and the heart is what
matters.
You know, do you really have aheart that loves Jesus?
And I'll tell you what,Robert, for the next 20 years, I
was on fire for the Gospel andthe Bible, and every chance I could
take, I would witness to people.
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I mean, I've witnessed thepeople on planes, on trains and stores.
And I just want to wake peopleup because I feel that most Americans
were just like I was.
Amen.
Amen.
That's good.
Amen.
Praise God.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, you know, I read on yourwebsite that at one point you consider
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God was something like SantaClaus, but as long as he remained
off the naughty list.
Right.
You know, how did you.
You said your mother told youwhat, no Santa.
How'd she go through thatprocess of telling you there was
no Santa Claus?
That.
That.
Well, it's funny, I go.
It's funny, I go into greatdetail about it in my book.
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But basically, to make a longstory short, on Christmas Eve, she
forgot to put the presents out.
Yeah, mine was.
I was.
I guess I would have been seven.
Six or seven.
And, you know, put us in theroom and to go to bed.
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And I decided, you know, it's10:30, and I'm gonna stay awake and
keep looking out the windowand wait for Santa Claus.
I want to see him like that, right?
Because my brother, littlebrother, he was 4, so he was already
asleep.
I said, you know, I'll.
I'm just gonna stay here and watch.
And, you know, then I hear myparents coming down the hall to check
us.
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I jump back in bed, act likeI'm sleeping, right?
And they open the door andthen they close it.
Then I'm back up again, and Ihear them carrying stuff back and
forth from where they've beenHiding them in their room.
And.
And that's what I discovered.
Pretty much the same way.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
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But you know what led you tothe study of eschatology?
What?
The end times.
What led you to start studying that?
Well, and it started abouteight years ago, so I.
My brother and I were workingfor the same company, so we.
Office together.
He had an office and I had anoffice, and he got into it before
I did, and, you know, he wouldwalk into my office, dan, I got to
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show you something.
I got to show you something inthe Bible.
And, you know, I look at itand I just kind of just, you know,
brush him away and, you know,think nothing of it.
And then he'd come backanother time and, you know, and I
would always throw up thatline, man, no one knows the date
of the hour.
Why do you keep doing this?
And then one day he came inand I said, manuel, they didn't know
Jesus is first coming.
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What makes you think they'regoing to know about his second coming?
And he said, that's not true.
I said, who knew?
And he said, the wise men.
And I'm telling you, when hesaid that, a light bulb went off
because they did know.
Yeah.
And I.
I've been studying it ever since.
Amen.
Yeah, because the wise men,you know, that wasn't a.
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Like, oh, guess what justhappened over the weekend?
Well, let's go over there andfind out.
It took them a while to get there.
Yeah.
Two years, a matter of fact.
And they knew it by the signsin the sky.
As a matter of fact, Genesistells us that God created the stars,
the moon, and the sun to be signs.
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Yep.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, one thing that getsunder my skin and that regards, that
is.
Is the focus, or I should sayrather the.
The division in the churchabout whether someone's, you know,
pre trib, mid trib, post trib.
I tell them it doesn't matterbecause if they live like it's pre
trib and they find out it'spost trip, you're still good, you
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know, I mean, as long asyou're living for Christ, you're
good to go.
You know, if you think it'spost tr, find out it's pre or mid
trip.
Like I said, it's okay.
But the most important thingin answering the question is, are
you ready no matter what it is?
That's the important part.
And, well, you know, in mybook, when I get into, you know,
the timing of his return andall that, at the very end I do say,
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could I be wrong?
Of course.
However, it doesn't change thefact that time is running out for
all of us.
I mean, there's no guaranteeany of us are going to put our heads
on our pillow tonight.
And you gotta ask yourself, amI truly following Christ or am I
just going through the motion?
Yeah, I go through when some,as the Holy Spirit would lead it.
If I'm delivering a messagesomewhere and I tell them when I'm
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getting ready to do theinvitation, I tell.
There is no time like the present.
And because I was at a church,this would have been 1995, 96, somewhere
in that area, I guess.
And the.
I gave the invitation and thenI was coming back that night for
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the evening service as well.
And.
And when I came back, I foundout that one of the parishioners
had died in a car accidentafter they left there at the church
service in the morning.
And a few weeks later, thepastor had gotten a hold of me.
He said, remember that?
Probably, yeah.
He said he was through themessage, he was convicted and realized
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he needed to accept Jesus as asavior, but he didn't come forward.
And the reason he didn't isbecause there's so many people in
church that, you know, he'dbeen there for years, and they thought,
you know, who's this guy, youknow, now he says he's not saved
and all this after all these years.
So he was going to come to theevening service and give his heart
to Jesus because there's notas many people there, you know, it's
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usually what takes place inchurches, you know, and.
But instead, he died duringthe daytime and unexpectedly, you
know, it wasn't like, youknow, oh, I'm dying of cancer, or,
you know, I mean, he had fullintent, told his wife in a car, you
know, and he said, I'm goingto come back tonight and I'm going
to, you know, give my heart tothe Lord.
They didn't make it.
I mean, she did, but she washurt and all that.
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But.
But I tell people, you need tobe ready.
I mean, you know, we have noguarantee that one of us won't pass
away right here on theinterview before we hit button to
stop it, you know, I mean, there's.
Our next breath isn'tguaranteed, you know, but with so
many voices interpreting signsof the times in all these different
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ways, how can believers, Iguess, discern the truth from speculation?
And what role does scriptureplay in maintaining a balanced perspective
in all that?
Well, you know, I trulybelieve that God did Not give us
the book of Daniel, the bookof Revelation, and then tell us,
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but you're not going to know.
I don't believe that happened.
And let me give you an exampleof what I tell people why things
are different now than theywere years ago.
You know, because everybodyalways tells me, well, Paul thought
Jesus was going to return inhis lifetime.
You know, what makes youthink, you know, and this is the
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best example I can give you.
Let's say that back in the1700s, there was a prophet who prophesied
things about America andthings started coming true and people
started.
He had very good credibility.
And then he one day prophesiedthat two tall figures would be struck
in the air, and then theywould collapse.
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And, you know, so, you know,everybody's waiting for the two tall
figures and it has to bestruck in the air.
Well, when Abraham Lincolndied, they could say, okay, that
was one.
He got shot in the head with a bullet.
And then John F.
Kennedy died.
Okay, he got shot in the headwith a bullet.
There are two tall figures.
They are, you know, presidentsof the United States.
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That's.
You can't get taller than that.
And they both died by beingstruck in the air.
And everybody would have justclosed it after John F.
Kennedy died.
Right.
And everybody would have said,okay, that's it.
And for years, people wouldhave just taught other people that
was the prophet or the prophecy.
But then when the Twin Towershappened, somebody would have went,
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wait a minute.
This is the two tall figures,not the presidents.
And so things would have mademore sense.
Well, I believe that thedifference now is 1948, Israel becoming
a nation.
All the greatest scholarsbefore 1948 cannot figure out certain
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prophecy without that event.
They have to make somethingelse fit.
And what I'm talking about isthe prophecy of Isaiah without 1948.
You have to make Isaiah fit.
And that prophecy is, youknow, where Isaiah says, after two
days, he will revive us, andon the third day he will raise us
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up into his presence.
Yeah.
You know that you can't.
You can't make or you can'tfully understand that without 1948.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
That's so true.
And, you know, because of1948, when you start looking at different
timelines and all that, it allstarts to fit almost perfectly.
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Right?
And, you know, that's, youknow, amen.
Amen.
Think about this.
When the disciples asked Jesusabout the end times and they said,
when will these things take place?
Jesus could have just rightthere said, no one knows the day
of the Hour, Yeah, don't worryabout it.
But he didn't.
He went on and on and on andtold him all the events that would
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happen.
And then at the end and.
And technically he didn't say,no one knows the day of the hour,
even though we all recitedthat way.
He said about that day andhour, no man knows.
And what he's saying is theexact moment of his return, which
I agree, no man knows.
But then he's also.
Every time he talked about endtimes, he said, but keep watching.
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Yeah.
Meaning keep watch, becausewhen you see these events, then you'll
know.
You'll know the timing.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, in your book, youknow, you discuss the urgency of
the spiritual readiness.
And what do you believe is thebiggest misconception that people
have about being ready forChrist's return?
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And how can they overcome that?
I think the biggestmisconception is that they have more
time.
You know, that we've beenwaiting for 2,000 years and no one's
ever going to know the time.
And if we have more time, youknow, another example is right after
Jesus said that about that dayand hour, no man knows.
He gave the parable of the 10 versions.
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Now, if you look at thatparable, they didn't know the exact
hour, but they knew the timing.
They went out waiting, andthen he shows up hours later.
So they knew the timing.
And I just.
I believe that people don't.
People want to be left alone.
They don't want to know that,hey, we could be entering the tribulation.
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Things are getting, you know,because the tribulation, let's be
honest, is scary.
You know, I remember tellingmy brother, the thing that scares
me about the tribulation isit's seven years now.
The first three and a halfyears may not be so bad, you know,
but it's the last three and ahalf years that are pretty scary
of what's going to happen.
And the thought of livingthrough that, I can't.
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People tell me, look, I don'twant to get into this discussion.
I just want to be left alone,and I just want to continue to live
my life.
And I think that's the biggestdeception that Satan has with people
is to focus on yourself.
It's about you, and it's aboutliving a good life.
Yeah.
Amen.
You know, when.
When you start looking atnumbers, you know, I mean, out of
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the 8 billion people on planetEarth, like 6 billion people are
gonna die during this time period.
I mean, it's not.
It's not Gonna be like thepandemic with, oh, you know, 24 million
people died.
That'd be like only 24 millionpeople died today, you know, that's
what they're gonna be talking about.
Only that many died today, you know.
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You know, I told him it'sgonna be bad.
I told my wife, we have a.
Seven year old daughter.
I told my wife one third ofthe population is going to die according
to Revelation.
That means out of the three ofus, one of us is not going to be
around.
Now, it may not be that onethird means every family, but statistically
it could be that one of uswill not be around to help the other
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two.
Yeah, amen.
That's right.
That's right.
You know, you spent years inyour ministry teaching in various
church settings, from youth to adults.
Based on what you'veexperienced, what are the most common
spiritual challenges thatpeople face when it comes to truly
living out their faith with,let's just call it intentionality?
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Well, they have a belief thatGod is like Santa Claus.
They don't understand the costto follow Jesus.
They don't understand what itmeans to pick up your cross daily.
They don't understand what itmeans to die to yourself.
I mean, you know, I just did avideo on the scariest verses that
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Jesus spoke about.
You know, one of them is beingborn again.
That means a new birth.
And he said, no one will enterthe kingdom of God unless they're
born again.
The other one is the narrow road.
You know, if you think aboutit, if we were to quantify that and
put a percentage on it, Imean, what would it be?
5, 7, 10% at tops?
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Maybe that's pretty staggeringthat 7% of the population are truly
saved and the others are not.
And then the other scare,there's two more scary verse.
One is the 10 versions.
Think about the 10 versions.
They're all versions, meaningthey're all pure.
But the foolish ones, eventhough they were going to church,
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they're doing the work.
Didn't we do this?
Didn't we do that?
They're doing the work of God.
And yet Jesus is saying, Inever knew you.
That means in the end times,when he returns, half the church
is not saved.
Yeah, that's pretty scary.
And then the last one, I'm notgoing to tell you what it is, and
so you have to buy my book toknow, but I guarantee that all your
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listeners not only know thisverse, they recited it many times
without realizing what they'resaying to God.
Yeah, amen.
Amen.
Because we Just go through themotion of, you know, memory verses.
And we say the verse and wereally don't think about what we're
saying sometimes.
Yep.
Yeah, that's right.
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That's right.
You know, when you're looking at.
At these things, you know,it's, you know, you read it over
and over and you just kind ofbegin to say, yep, yep, yeah, that's
what it says.
But you don't really stop tocontemplate what it really means.
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That's the thing.
Jesus came so that we couldhave access to the Father without
worrying about what took placein our past.
Whether I'm not worthy.
No, you're not worthy.
You're absolutely not worthy.
But Jesus said, I took care of it.
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Don't worry.
It'd be like going out to dinner.
And they say, oh, the bill,you know, $100.
Oh, man, I don't have ahundred dollars.
And the guy says, don't worry,I got it taken care of.
You know, I mean, you have to believe.
That's the whole thing.
You have to believe.
And Jesus talks about, youknow, that, you know, it's his words
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that's going to condemn us.
You know, he said, you know,that's what's going to give you life.
But it's also going to bethose words that is going to be judging
you at the end.
I mean, that's.
It's his words.
And that's where, you know, alot of people, you know, they just
don't want to follow the words.
I guess you could say, youknow, they're.
They're.
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They're going through the motions.
Like you said, the 10 virgins,a nice thing.
The thing I.
I love bringing out whenever Ido a study on that.
Like you said, they knew itwas time for the groom to come get
the bride.
They knew that was it.
That's why they all gatheredtogether and wait, because that's
part of the wedding celebration.
So they knew, hey, it's been a year.
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Dad sent word.
You know, it's getting ready,it's getting close, so let's get
together and loads it.
We don't know when he'scoming, but we know it's the.
And he always comes at night.
You know, the groom alwayscomes at night because that's part
of the procession with thetorches and all that stuff.
And, you know, so we know it'seither tonight or tomorrow night,
so let's get together here.
We know it's getting close.
And then, you know, we readthe story on.
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On the other.
The other part of it, youknow, but that's, that's the, the,
the telling part is, are you ready?
I mean, he's sending peoplelike you, you know, given messages
that, that, you know, here weare, you know, the time is here,
the time is now.
It's, it's getting close.
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Get ready and you're stillgoing to have some people like, they've
been saying that for 2,000 years.
Your book also raisesquestions of whether we truly understand
the implications of following Christ.
You know, and, and what, whatdo you see as some of the biggest
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barriers that preventbelievers just from going all in
and, and aligning their liveswith his teachings?
Well, it's fun.
It's funny you're asking me that.
You know, I just saw theinterview last week with Joe Rogan
and Wesley Huff.
Have you seen that?
No, I haven't.
Well, Joe Rogan, you know, ifyou've been following him and I don't
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watch his, I only watch clipsof his videos.
I can't watch three hour video.
Exactly.
That's why I don't watch it.
His biggest problem withChristianity, because I believe God
has been tugging on his heartfor about two years now.
But his biggest problem, hehad Wesley Hoff.
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It was a great interview.
I watched like 30 clip or 30minute clip of it.
But his biggest problem isthat Jesus rose from the dead after
three days because, you know,that doesn't happen.
And right away I'm thinking tomyself, okay, so you don't have a
problem with God speakingeverything in the creation, but you
have a problem with himspeaking a man to rise from the dead.
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I mean, you know, and no oneever brings up Lazarus, you know.
Right.
You know, but it made merealize that's really not his reason
for rejecting God.
It's his excuse.
And the reason people make upall these different excuse, whatever
it is, you know, why is thereso much evil in the world?
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You know, why do bad thingshappen to good people?
Those are excuses.
The main reason is people donot want to give up certain sin in
their life.
They know, you know, Joe Rogantalks about doing mushrooms and,
you know, having theseexperiences and, you know, and he
knows that if he truly giveshis life to God, there's things he
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has to change.
It's like a marriage, youknow, if you, if you go into a marriage
and your life didn't change,you're really not in a marriage.
Yeah.
Amen.
You know, when, when before Igot born and I was in the military
and you know, think of yourstereotypical stories that you hear
about soldiers.
That was me.
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I was a soldier.
Well, you know, and, you know,but when I got out, it went on several
more years before I.
The situations arose where,long story short, I gave my heart
to the Lord.
And I mean, I used to, I usedto be able to drink sailors under
the table.
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I mean, I was, you know,functioning alcoholic.
And without going in thestory, my listeners have heard it
before, but basically the Lordtook alcohol away from me and I didn't
even know it.
I went six months without adrink, hadn't even realized I'd stopped
drinking until I found a halfempty bottle of whiskey underneath
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the sink.
And that's a dumb wow, becauseI remember when I bought the bottle,
I was like, wow, I haven't hada drink of alcohol in six months.
I mean, so it was asupernatural deliverance.
But some friends have comeover, you know, that I hadn't seen
in years, you know, and they,hey, you know, they think that they're
gonna have a party with theold Bob, you know, and they said,
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hey, come on, have at leastone beer with.
No, man, it's been two years.
I haven't had a drop of alcohol.
I'm not gonna start just onebeer, man.
No, I.
Man, you've changed.
You're right, you're right,because that guy's dead.
Say, man, I know, I know whatyou're talking about there.
Praise the Lord.
You know, eschatology, thestudy of the end times.
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Folks, that's a complex andsometimes a very controversial subject.
And what key insights have youdiscovered in your study of biblical
prophecy that you believe arerelevant for us in the day and time
which we're living in right now?
Well, like I said in 1948,that prophecy, Israel becoming a
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nation, really opened my eyesto a lot of different other prophecies.
You know, when Jesus talkedabout, he was talking about the end
times and he talked about thefig tree.
You know, when you see thelives, the leaves on the fig tree,
you know that summer is near.
And when he's talking aboutsummer, he's talking about trouble
is near.
And the fig tree alwaysrepresents the Israel and the figs
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coming back on the fig tree is 1948.
Because Jesus said, thisgeneration will not pass away until
all these things have happened.
Well, we know that generationpassed away, but I believe that the
1948 generation, and I evenlooked up, how long does an Israelite
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live?
The average age of anIsraelite in Jerusalem live.
And you know, it had men atone age, women another age.
But when I did the Mathdivided it, it came out to 82 years.
And so 1948, you add 82 to it,it's 2030.
And there's other things thatpoint to 2030.
And another thing that mostpeople do not know is the first early
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Christians like in firstcentury pointed to this generation
and how they pointed to this generation.
Like in my book, I give twoexamples, but there's like 12 great
Christian theologians, youknow, like Irenaeus, you know, and
I don't have the quote infront of me, but he said God created
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the, the earth in six days.
And on the seventh day he rested.
He said, you know, the samething is going to be for total completion,
going to be 6,000 years andthen 1,000 year of rest, which when
we're going to reign withJesus for a thousand years.
Well, that 6,000 year, this is up.
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It's us.
We're at the 6,000 year mark.
Yeah.
Amen.
So, and there's, I go intogreat detail in my book.
I mean, I talk about all thefeasts because the feasts have a
big part to play.
And I talk about how it, youknow, there's other parables that
point right to this generation.
I mean, it's not just, I don'tthink it's just a coincidence.
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I think they're exactly, youknow, and you know, I'm not the only
one that believes this and I'mnot the one that discovered this.
It's all the research andgreat teachers that know about end
times.
There's a few things I discovered.
But, you know, I don't wantyour audience to think that I'm the
one that figured all this out.
And there's over a millionChristians that believe what I believe
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in my, in my book, when itcomes to end times.
And there's a whole chapterdevoted to just end times.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
I, I'm an Advent adamantbeliever that, you know, I'm expecting
it, you know, any moment.
I believe it.
We're that close.
I mean, it's almost, you can,you can sense the fragrance in the
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air.
Yeah, it's.
To use another military analogy.
You know, everyone's seen, Ican't remember the name of the movie,
but you know, the, the cavalryofficer sitting there talking to
his troops and they'redropping napalm in the back.
So smell that, love that smell.
Napalm in the morning.
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Right.
Well, the same thing.
He's sitting there trying tokeep his troops calm and motivated
while all the action's going on.
That's what Jesus is Doing,you know, say, hey, I got this, you
know, don't worry about it.
As you're with me, everythingwill be fine, boys.
But that smell, that, that'snot napalm, but it's the fragrance
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of the soon return of Christ.
I mean, yeah, you know, whenmy wife walks in the room, I can
be on the computer, butsometimes the perfume she's wearing,
I can tell she's there, you know.
Right.
And that's, that's, that's howclose I sense it is.
I mean, it is at the doorstep.
Another analogy I use, ifyou're out on the road looking up
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at a house and you look thatthey got the door open, you can see
this little narrow part, andevery now and then you might see
someone walk by.
The closer you get to thatdoor, the more you can see inside
that room.
When you're at the doorstep,you can look all the way around on
the inside of that house, youknow, and Jesus is at the doorstep.
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I mean, it's, you know, we'rethat close.
I mean, your book time'srunning out.
How can someone obtain a copyof your book?
I take it it's on Amazon, correct?
Yeah, it is on Amazon.
It's all on all the majorselling bookstores.
You know, it's on Barnes and Noble.
You can also visit my website,Time is Running out the book dot
com.
But the subtitle is a big partof my book too.
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The subtitle is am I really ingood standing with, with God.
Amen.
I go into the whole process,what it means, you know, once you
become a Christian, you know,you're on a new road.
What does that road look like?
What are some of the obstacles?
You know, then once you, andthen after you're on that road, you
start building a relationshipwith Jesus.
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What does that look like?
And then after yourrelationship with these Jesus, your
thought, thinking startchanges from a worldly viewpoint
to a godly kingdom viewpoint.
Amen.
It's so true.
So true.
Daniel.
I know that our conversationday has sparked some questions in
the minds of some of ourlisteners today.
So if someone does have aquestion or they'd like more information,
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how they get in touch with you again.
Well, if you go to my website,Time is running out thebook.com you
can.
There's a section in there to,to write me an email to contact the
author and just contact methrough that.
I'll be glad to reply to anyquestions that you may have.
Amen.
Amen.
Appreciate that folks.
Today's conversation, man,it's been a powerful wake up call.
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One that challenges us toreflect on our own spiritual readiness
and what it truly means tofollow Christ.
I mean, Daniel chose insightsthey've shown us that basically now
is the time to examine ourfaith and align our lives with the
Word of God and prepare forwhat's lying just ahead.
Amen.
The urgency of this messagecannot be ignored anymore.
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If today's discussion hasstirred something in your heart,
I encourage you dive a littlebit deeper by going down the shows.
Click the link right there.
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I mean this thought provokingbook will help you explore Biblical
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and equip you to live withpurpose and intention in these critical
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Amen.
The links down below in theshow notes.
In fact, to learn more and toconnect with David again, just drop
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That will be right there.
Order your copy of this booktoday and find out how important
you are to this day and timeon which we live today and how you
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Amen.
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Amen.
You never know what the Lordwill do.
Daniel, I appreciate youtaking time come on the program today
sharing all about your greatbook and the time you spent ministering
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with us today.
I do appreciate brother.
I appreciate you having me here.
Robert Folks, that is all thetime we have for today for Daniel
Cho, myself, Pastor Bob,reminding you to be blessed.
All that you do.
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Foreign hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today, folks.
Let me ask you something here.
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Are we truly prepared for thereturn of Christ?
Are we just falling into thetrap of assuming there's always going
to be more time?
Today, we're going to divedeep into what the Bible has to say
about spiritual readiness andthe signs that point to his return.
Could this be the finalgeneration that is about to witness
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it?
If you've ever wonderedwhether we are truly living in the
end times of what it means tobe spiritually ready, you will not
want to miss today's conversation.
Amen.
My guest today is DanielOchoa, a dedicated Bible teacher,
author of Time Is Running Out.
It's a powerful book thatchallenges believers to reflect on
their spiritual readiness forChrist's return.
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With over 25 years of studyingand teaching God's Word, including
13 years with Bible StudyFellowship, Daniel brings deep insights
into biblical prophecy and theurgency of living with faith and
intentionality.
Help me welcome to the programDaniel Ochoa.
Daniel, it's a blessing tofinally get you on the program today,
brother.
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Wow.
Thank you for inviting me.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Amen.
Now, the first question Ialways start with is this.
Other than that briefinformation I just shared, can you
tell us in your own words, whois Daniel Ochoa?
Yeah.
So, you know, I grew up in afamily in Michigan, have four brothers
or four siblings, twobrothers, two sisters, grew up in
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a Catholic home.
And even though we went tochurch every Sunday, none of us in
the entire house knew the Bible.
And I discovered who Jesus wason Christmas morning.
When I discovered that therewas no Santa Claus.
My mother kind of told me alittle bit about Jesus, but her knowledge
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was probably just as much asan atheist knows about Jesus.
And so for the next 25 yearsor so, Jesus was like Santa Claus
to me.
You know, as long as I lived agood life, I was okay.
And then in my early 30s, Iwas attending church for about four
or five years on a regular basis.
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And the pastor started talkingabout the road to heaven and hell.
And when he said the road toheaven is very narrow and only A
few find woke me up.
I realized that it's more thanjust going to church and owning a
Bible and even going to aSunday school class.
And so I asked the pastor ifwe could have lunch after the service,
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and he said yes.
And he explained the gospel to me.
But then he did something thatmost people don't do.
He explained the cost tofollow Jesus.
But he did tell me, living inAmerica, there's not that much cost.
But, you know, it may cost yousome friends, it may cost you your
job.
You know, if you lived inother parts of the world, it could
cost you your life.
And I realized that it wasmore than just confession with your
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mouth.
Even though the Bible says,you know, you confess with your mouth,
but it also says, believe inyour heart, and the heart is what
matters.
You know, do you really have aheart that loves Jesus?
And I'll tell you what,Robert, for the next 20 years, I
was on fire for the Gospel andthe Bible, and every chance I could
take, I would witness to people.
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I mean, I've witnessed thepeople on planes, on trains and stores.
And I just want to wake peopleup because I feel that most Americans
were just like I was.
Amen.
Amen.
That's good.
Amen.
Praise God.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, you know, I read on yourwebsite that at one point you consider
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God was something like SantaClaus, but as long as he remained
off the naughty list.
Right.
You know, how did you.
You said your mother told youwhat, no Santa.
How'd she go through thatprocess of telling you there was
no Santa Claus?
That.
That.
Well, it's funny, I go.
It's funny, I go into greatdetail about it in my book.
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But basically, to make a longstory short, on Christmas Eve, she
forgot to put the presents out.
Yeah, mine was.
I was.
I guess I would have been seven.
Six or seven.
And, you know, put us in theroom and to go to bed.
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And I decided, you know, it's10:30, and I'm gonna stay awake and
keep looking out the windowand wait for Santa Claus.
I want to see him like that, right?
Because my brother, littlebrother, he was 4, so he was already
asleep.
I said, you know, I'll.
I'm just gonna stay here and watch.
And, you know, then I hear myparents coming down the hall to check
us.
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I jump back in bed, act likeI'm sleeping, right?
And they open the door andthen they close it.
Then I'm back up again, and Ihear them carrying stuff back and
forth from where they've beenHiding them in their room.
And.
And that's what I discovered.
Pretty much the same way.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
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But you know what led you tothe study of eschatology?
What?
The end times.
What led you to start studying that?
Well, and it started abouteight years ago, so I.
My brother and I were workingfor the same company, so we.
Office together.
He had an office and I had anoffice, and he got into it before
I did, and, you know, he wouldwalk into my office, dan, I got to
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show you something.
I got to show you something inthe Bible.
And, you know, I look at itand I just kind of just, you know,
brush him away and, you know,think nothing of it.
And then he'd come backanother time and, you know, and I
would always throw up thatline, man, no one knows the date
of the hour.
Why do you keep doing this?
And then one day he came inand I said, manuel, they didn't know
Jesus is first coming.
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What makes you think they'regoing to know about his second coming?
And he said, that's not true.
I said, who knew?
And he said, the wise men.
And I'm telling you, when hesaid that, a light bulb went off
because they did know.
Yeah.
And I.
I've been studying it ever since.
Amen.
Yeah, because the wise men,you know, that wasn't a.
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Like, oh, guess what justhappened over the weekend?
Well, let's go over there andfind out.
It took them a while to get there.
Yeah.
Two years, a matter of fact.
And they knew it by the signsin the sky.
As a matter of fact, Genesistells us that God created the stars,
the moon, and the sun to be signs.
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Yep.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, one thing that getsunder my skin and that regards, that
is.
Is the focus, or I should sayrather the.
The division in the churchabout whether someone's, you know,
pre trib, mid trib, post trib.
I tell them it doesn't matterbecause if they live like it's pre
trib and they find out it'spost trip, you're still good, you
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know, I mean, as long asyou're living for Christ, you're
good to go.
You know, if you think it'spost tr, find out it's pre or mid
trip.
Like I said, it's okay.
But the most important thingin answering the question is, are
you ready no matter what it is?
That's the important part.
And, well, you know, in mybook, when I get into, you know,
the timing of his return andall that, at the very end I do say,
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could I be wrong?
Of course.
However, it doesn't change thefact that time is running out for
all of us.
I mean, there's no guaranteeany of us are going to put our heads
on our pillow tonight.
And you gotta ask yourself, amI truly following Christ or am I
just going through the motion?
Yeah, I go through when some,as the Holy Spirit would lead it.
If I'm delivering a messagesomewhere and I tell them when I'm
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getting ready to do theinvitation, I tell.
There is no time like the present.
And because I was at a church,this would have been 1995, 96, somewhere
in that area, I guess.
And the.
I gave the invitation and thenI was coming back that night for
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the evening service as well.
And.
And when I came back, I foundout that one of the parishioners
had died in a car accidentafter they left there at the church
service in the morning.
And a few weeks later, thepastor had gotten a hold of me.
He said, remember that?
Probably, yeah.
He said he was through themessage, he was convicted and realized
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he needed to accept Jesus as asavior, but he didn't come forward.
And the reason he didn't isbecause there's so many people in
church that, you know, he'dbeen there for years, and they thought,
you know, who's this guy, youknow, now he says he's not saved
and all this after all these years.
So he was going to come to theevening service and give his heart
to Jesus because there's notas many people there, you know, it's
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usually what takes place inchurches, you know, and.
But instead, he died duringthe daytime and unexpectedly, you
know, it wasn't like, youknow, oh, I'm dying of cancer, or,
you know, I mean, he had fullintent, told his wife in a car, you
know, and he said, I'm goingto come back tonight and I'm going
to, you know, give my heart tothe Lord.
They didn't make it.
I mean, she did, but she washurt and all that.
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But.
But I tell people, you need tobe ready.
I mean, you know, we have noguarantee that one of us won't pass
away right here on theinterview before we hit button to
stop it, you know, I mean, there's.
Our next breath isn'tguaranteed, you know, but with so
many voices interpreting signsof the times in all these different
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ways, how can believers, Iguess, discern the truth from speculation?
And what role does scriptureplay in maintaining a balanced perspective
in all that?
Well, you know, I trulybelieve that God did Not give us
the book of Daniel, the bookof Revelation, and then tell us,
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but you're not going to know.
I don't believe that happened.
And let me give you an exampleof what I tell people why things
are different now than theywere years ago.
You know, because everybodyalways tells me, well, Paul thought
Jesus was going to return inhis lifetime.
You know, what makes youthink, you know, and this is the
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best example I can give you.
Let's say that back in the1700s, there was a prophet who prophesied
things about America andthings started coming true and people
started.
He had very good credibility.
And then he one day prophesiedthat two tall figures would be struck
in the air, and then theywould collapse.
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And, you know, so, you know,everybody's waiting for the two tall
figures and it has to bestruck in the air.
Well, when Abraham Lincolndied, they could say, okay, that
was one.
He got shot in the head with a bullet.
And then John F.
Kennedy died.
Okay, he got shot in the headwith a bullet.
There are two tall figures.
They are, you know, presidentsof the United States.
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That's.
You can't get taller than that.
And they both died by beingstruck in the air.
And everybody would have justclosed it after John F.
Kennedy died.
Right.
And everybody would have said,okay, that's it.
And for years, people wouldhave just taught other people that
was the prophet or the prophecy.
But then when the Twin Towershappened, somebody would have went,
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wait a minute.
This is the two tall figures,not the presidents.
And so things would have mademore sense.
Well, I believe that thedifference now is 1948, Israel becoming
a nation.
All the greatest scholarsbefore 1948 cannot figure out certain
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prophecy without that event.
They have to make somethingelse fit.
And what I'm talking about isthe prophecy of Isaiah without 1948.
You have to make Isaiah fit.
And that prophecy is, youknow, where Isaiah says, after two
days, he will revive us, andon the third day he will raise us
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up into his presence.
Yeah.
You know that you can't.
You can't make or you can'tfully understand that without 1948.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
That's so true.
And, you know, because of1948, when you start looking at different
timelines and all that, it allstarts to fit almost perfectly.
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Right?
And, you know, that's, youknow, amen.
Amen.
Think about this.
When the disciples asked Jesusabout the end times and they said,
when will these things take place?
Jesus could have just rightthere said, no one knows the day
of the Hour, Yeah, don't worryabout it.
But he didn't.
He went on and on and on andtold him all the events that would
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happen.
And then at the end and.
And technically he didn't say,no one knows the day of the hour,
even though we all recitedthat way.
He said about that day andhour, no man knows.
And what he's saying is theexact moment of his return, which
I agree, no man knows.
But then he's also.
Every time he talked about endtimes, he said, but keep watching.
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Yeah.
Meaning keep watch, becausewhen you see these events, then you'll
know.
You'll know the timing.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, in your book, youknow, you discuss the urgency of
the spiritual readiness.
And what do you believe is thebiggest misconception that people
have about being ready forChrist's return?
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And how can they overcome that?
I think the biggestmisconception is that they have more
time.
You know, that we've beenwaiting for 2,000 years and no one's
ever going to know the time.
And if we have more time, youknow, another example is right after
Jesus said that about that dayand hour, no man knows.
He gave the parable of the 10 versions.
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Now, if you look at thatparable, they didn't know the exact
hour, but they knew the timing.
They went out waiting, andthen he shows up hours later.
So they knew the timing.
And I just.
I believe that people don't.
People want to be left alone.
They don't want to know that,hey, we could be entering the tribulation.
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Things are getting, you know,because the tribulation, let's be
honest, is scary.
You know, I remember tellingmy brother, the thing that scares
me about the tribulation isit's seven years now.
The first three and a halfyears may not be so bad, you know,
but it's the last three and ahalf years that are pretty scary
of what's going to happen.
And the thought of livingthrough that, I can't.
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People tell me, look, I don'twant to get into this discussion.
I just want to be left alone,and I just want to continue to live
my life.
And I think that's the biggestdeception that Satan has with people
is to focus on yourself.
It's about you, and it's aboutliving a good life.
Yeah.
Amen.
You know, when.
When you start looking atnumbers, you know, I mean, out of
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the 8 billion people on planetEarth, like 6 billion people are
gonna die during this time period.
I mean, it's not.
It's not Gonna be like thepandemic with, oh, you know, 24 million
people died.
That'd be like only 24 millionpeople died today, you know, that's
what they're gonna be talking about.
Only that many died today, you know.
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You know, I told him it'sgonna be bad.
I told my wife, we have a.
Seven year old daughter.
I told my wife one third ofthe population is going to die according
to Revelation.
That means out of the three ofus, one of us is not going to be
around.
Now, it may not be that onethird means every family, but statistically
it could be that one of uswill not be around to help the other
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two.
Yeah, amen.
That's right.
That's right.
You know, you spent years inyour ministry teaching in various
church settings, from youth to adults.
Based on what you'veexperienced, what are the most common
spiritual challenges thatpeople face when it comes to truly
living out their faith with,let's just call it intentionality?
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Well, they have a belief thatGod is like Santa Claus.
They don't understand the costto follow Jesus.
They don't understand what itmeans to pick up your cross daily.
They don't understand what itmeans to die to yourself.
I mean, you know, I just did avideo on the scariest verses that
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Jesus spoke about.
You know, one of them is beingborn again.
That means a new birth.
And he said, no one will enterthe kingdom of God unless they're
born again.
The other one is the narrow road.
You know, if you think aboutit, if we were to quantify that and
put a percentage on it, Imean, what would it be?
5, 7, 10% at tops?
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Maybe that's pretty staggeringthat 7% of the population are truly
saved and the others are not.
And then the other scare,there's two more scary verse.
One is the 10 versions.
Think about the 10 versions.
They're all versions, meaningthey're all pure.
But the foolish ones, eventhough they were going to church,
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they're doing the work.
Didn't we do this?
Didn't we do that?
They're doing the work of God.
And yet Jesus is saying, Inever knew you.
That means in the end times,when he returns, half the church
is not saved.
Yeah, that's pretty scary.
And then the last one, I'm notgoing to tell you what it is, and
so you have to buy my book toknow, but I guarantee that all your
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listeners not only know thisverse, they recited it many times
without realizing what they'resaying to God.
Yeah, amen.
Amen.
Because we Just go through themotion of, you know, memory verses.
And we say the verse and wereally don't think about what we're
saying sometimes.
Yep.
Yeah, that's right.
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That's right.
You know, when you're looking at.
At these things, you know,it's, you know, you read it over
and over and you just kind ofbegin to say, yep, yep, yeah, that's
what it says.
But you don't really stop tocontemplate what it really means.
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That's the thing.
Jesus came so that we couldhave access to the Father without
worrying about what took placein our past.
Whether I'm not worthy.
No, you're not worthy.
You're absolutely not worthy.
But Jesus said, I took care of it.
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Don't worry.
It'd be like going out to dinner.
And they say, oh, the bill,you know, $100.
Oh, man, I don't have ahundred dollars.
And the guy says, don't worry,I got it taken care of.
You know, I mean, you have to believe.
That's the whole thing.
You have to believe.
And Jesus talks about, youknow, that, you know, it's his words
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that's going to condemn us.
You know, he said, you know,that's what's going to give you life.
But it's also going to bethose words that is going to be judging
you at the end.
I mean, that's.
It's his words.
And that's where, you know, alot of people, you know, they just
don't want to follow the words.
I guess you could say, youknow, they're.
They're.
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They're going through the motions.
Like you said, the 10 virgins,a nice thing.
The thing I.
I love bringing out whenever Ido a study on that.
Like you said, they knew itwas time for the groom to come get
the bride.
They knew that was it.
That's why they all gatheredtogether and wait, because that's
part of the wedding celebration.
So they knew, hey, it's been a year.
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Dad sent word.
You know, it's getting ready,it's getting close, so let's get
together and loads it.
We don't know when he'scoming, but we know it's the.
And he always comes at night.
You know, the groom alwayscomes at night because that's part
of the procession with thetorches and all that stuff.
And, you know, so we know it'seither tonight or tomorrow night,
so let's get together here.
We know it's getting close.
And then, you know, we readthe story on.
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On the other.
The other part of it, youknow, but that's, that's the, the,
the telling part is, are you ready?
I mean, he's sending peoplelike you, you know, given messages
that, that, you know, here weare, you know, the time is here,
the time is now.
It's, it's getting close.
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Get ready and you're stillgoing to have some people like, they've
been saying that for 2,000 years.
Your book also raisesquestions of whether we truly understand
the implications of following Christ.
You know, and, and what, whatdo you see as some of the biggest
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barriers that preventbelievers just from going all in
and, and aligning their liveswith his teachings?
Well, it's fun.
It's funny you're asking me that.
You know, I just saw theinterview last week with Joe Rogan
and Wesley Huff.
Have you seen that?
No, I haven't.
Well, Joe Rogan, you know, ifyou've been following him and I don't
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watch his, I only watch clipsof his videos.
I can't watch three hour video.
Exactly.
That's why I don't watch it.
His biggest problem withChristianity, because I believe God
has been tugging on his heartfor about two years now.
But his biggest problem, hehad Wesley Hoff.
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It was a great interview.
I watched like 30 clip or 30minute clip of it.
But his biggest problem isthat Jesus rose from the dead after
three days because, you know,that doesn't happen.
And right away I'm thinking tomyself, okay, so you don't have a
problem with God speakingeverything in the creation, but you
have a problem with himspeaking a man to rise from the dead.
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I mean, you know, and no oneever brings up Lazarus, you know.
Right.
You know, but it made merealize that's really not his reason
for rejecting God.
It's his excuse.
And the reason people make upall these different excuse, whatever
it is, you know, why is thereso much evil in the world?
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You know, why do bad thingshappen to good people?
Those are excuses.
The main reason is people donot want to give up certain sin in
their life.
They know, you know, Joe Rogantalks about doing mushrooms and,
you know, having theseexperiences and, you know, and he
knows that if he truly giveshis life to God, there's things he
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has to change.
It's like a marriage, youknow, if you, if you go into a marriage
and your life didn't change,you're really not in a marriage.
Yeah.
Amen.
You know, when, when before Igot born and I was in the military
and you know, think of yourstereotypical stories that you hear
about soldiers.
That was me.
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I was a soldier.
Well, you know, and, you know,but when I got out, it went on several
more years before I.
The situations arose where,long story short, I gave my heart
to the Lord.
And I mean, I used to, I usedto be able to drink sailors under
the table.
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I mean, I was, you know,functioning alcoholic.
And without going in thestory, my listeners have heard it
before, but basically the Lordtook alcohol away from me and I didn't
even know it.
I went six months without adrink, hadn't even realized I'd stopped
drinking until I found a halfempty bottle of whiskey underneath
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the sink.
And that's a dumb wow, becauseI remember when I bought the bottle,
I was like, wow, I haven't hada drink of alcohol in six months.
I mean, so it was asupernatural deliverance.
But some friends have comeover, you know, that I hadn't seen
in years, you know, and they,hey, you know, they think that they're
gonna have a party with theold Bob, you know, and they said,
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hey, come on, have at leastone beer with.
No, man, it's been two years.
I haven't had a drop of alcohol.
I'm not gonna start just onebeer, man.
No, I.
Man, you've changed.
You're right, you're right,because that guy's dead.
Say, man, I know, I know whatyou're talking about there.
Praise the Lord.
You know, eschatology, thestudy of the end times.
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Folks, that's a complex andsometimes a very controversial subject.
And what key insights have youdiscovered in your study of biblical
prophecy that you believe arerelevant for us in the day and time
which we're living in right now?
Well, like I said in 1948,that prophecy, Israel becoming a
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nation, really opened my eyesto a lot of different other prophecies.
You know, when Jesus talkedabout, he was talking about the end
times and he talked about thefig tree.
You know, when you see thelives, the leaves on the fig tree,
you know that summer is near.
And when he's talking aboutsummer, he's talking about trouble
is near.
And the fig tree alwaysrepresents the Israel and the figs
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coming back on the fig tree is 1948.
Because Jesus said, thisgeneration will not pass away until
all these things have happened.
Well, we know that generationpassed away, but I believe that the
1948 generation, and I evenlooked up, how long does an Israelite
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live?
The average age of anIsraelite in Jerusalem live.
And you know, it had men atone age, women another age.
But when I did the Mathdivided it, it came out to 82 years.
And so 1948, you add 82 to it,it's 2030.
And there's other things thatpoint to 2030.
And another thing that mostpeople do not know is the first early
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Christians like in firstcentury pointed to this generation
and how they pointed to this generation.
Like in my book, I give twoexamples, but there's like 12 great
Christian theologians, youknow, like Irenaeus, you know, and
I don't have the quote infront of me, but he said God created
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the, the earth in six days.
And on the seventh day he rested.
He said, you know, the samething is going to be for total completion,
going to be 6,000 years andthen 1,000 year of rest, which when
we're going to reign withJesus for a thousand years.
Well, that 6,000 year, this is up.
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It's us.
We're at the 6,000 year mark.
Yeah.
Amen.
So, and there's, I go intogreat detail in my book.
I mean, I talk about all thefeasts because the feasts have a
big part to play.
And I talk about how it, youknow, there's other parables that
point right to this generation.
I mean, it's not just, I don'tthink it's just a coincidence.
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I think they're exactly, youknow, and you know, I'm not the only
one that believes this and I'mnot the one that discovered this.
It's all the research andgreat teachers that know about end
times.
There's a few things I discovered.
But, you know, I don't wantyour audience to think that I'm the
one that figured all this out.
And there's over a millionChristians that believe what I believe
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in my, in my book, when itcomes to end times.
And there's a whole chapterdevoted to just end times.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
I, I'm an Advent adamantbeliever that, you know, I'm expecting
it, you know, any moment.
I believe it.
We're that close.
I mean, it's almost, you can,you can sense the fragrance in the
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air.
Yeah, it's.
To use another military analogy.
You know, everyone's seen, Ican't remember the name of the movie,
but you know, the, the cavalryofficer sitting there talking to
his troops and they'redropping napalm in the back.
So smell that, love that smell.
Napalm in the morning.
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Right.
Well, the same thing.
He's sitting there trying tokeep his troops calm and motivated
while all the action's going on.
That's what Jesus is Doing,you know, say, hey, I got this, you
know, don't worry about it.
As you're with me, everythingwill be fine, boys.
But that smell, that, that'snot napalm, but it's the fragrance
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of the soon return of Christ.
I mean, yeah, you know, whenmy wife walks in the room, I can
be on the computer, butsometimes the perfume she's wearing,
I can tell she's there, you know.
Right.
And that's, that's, that's howclose I sense it is.
I mean, it is at the doorstep.
Another analogy I use, ifyou're out on the road looking up
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at a house and you look thatthey got the door open, you can see
this little narrow part, andevery now and then you might see
someone walk by.
The closer you get to thatdoor, the more you can see inside
that room.
When you're at the doorstep,you can look all the way around on
the inside of that house, youknow, and Jesus is at the doorstep.
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I mean, it's, you know, we'rethat close.
I mean, your book time'srunning out.
How can someone obtain a copyof your book?
I take it it's on Amazon, correct?
Yeah, it is on Amazon.
It's all on all the majorselling bookstores.
You know, it's on Barnes and Noble.
You can also visit my website,Time is Running out the book dot
com.
But the subtitle is a big partof my book too.
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The subtitle is am I really ingood standing with, with God.
Amen.
I go into the whole process,what it means, you know, once you
become a Christian, you know,you're on a new road.
What does that road look like?
What are some of the obstacles?
You know, then once you, andthen after you're on that road, you
start building a relationshipwith Jesus.
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What does that look like?
And then after yourrelationship with these Jesus, your
thought, thinking startchanges from a worldly viewpoint
to a godly kingdom viewpoint.
Amen.
It's so true.
So true.
Daniel.
I know that our conversationday has sparked some questions in
the minds of some of ourlisteners today.
So if someone does have aquestion or they'd like more information,
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how they get in touch with you again.
Well, if you go to my website,Time is running out thebook.com you
can.
There's a section in there to,to write me an email to contact the
author and just contact methrough that.
I'll be glad to reply to anyquestions that you may have.
Amen.
Amen.
Appreciate that folks.
Today's conversation, man,it's been a powerful wake up call.
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One that challenges us toreflect on our own spiritual readiness
and what it truly means tofollow Christ.
I mean, Daniel chose insightsthey've shown us that basically now
is the time to examine ourfaith and align our lives with the
Word of God and prepare forwhat's lying just ahead.
Amen.
The urgency of this messagecannot be ignored anymore.
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If today's discussion hasstirred something in your heart,
I encourage you dive a littlebit deeper by going down the shows.
Click the link right there.
Get his book.
Time is running out.
I mean this thought provokingbook will help you explore Biblical
truths and challenge yourcurrent understanding of discipleship
and equip you to live withpurpose and intention in these critical
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times which we're in right now.
Amen.
The links down below in theshow notes.
In fact, to learn more and toconnect with David again, just drop
down the show notes, click the links.
That will be right there.
Order your copy of this booktoday and find out how important
you are to this day and timeon which we live today and how you
can be used by Jesus to helpget the word out.
Amen.
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Don't wait.
Time is running out and yourspiritual readiness is more important
than ever and your influenceson those you love and care about
matter as well.
Get this book.
Start sharing it.
Amen.
You never know what the Lordwill do.
Daniel, I appreciate youtaking time come on the program today
sharing all about your greatbook and the time you spent ministering
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with us today.
I do appreciate brother.
I appreciate you having me here.
Robert Folks, that is all thetime we have for today for Daniel
Cho, myself, Pastor Bob,reminding you to be blessed.
All that you do.
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