December 31, 2024 • 30 mins
Reconciliation is the Key to Prophecy
– TS Wright
Reconciliation is a key aspect of understanding biblical prophecy, especially in the context of the end times, as discussed by Pastor Robert Thibodeau and his guest, Scott Wright.
They explore the significance of 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, emphasizing that reconciliation involves God’s efforts to restore His relationship with humanity through Christ.
The conversation delves into the historical context of reconciliation in the Old Testament, highlighting the necessity of blood sacrifices for atonement, and contrasts it with the transformative power of Jesus' sacrifice under the New Covenant.
As they discuss the urgency of this message in today's divided world, they encourage Christians to actively participate in the ministry of reconciliation by sharing their faith.
The episode also touches on the implications of prophecy as it relates to current events, underscoring the importance of understanding who carries the message of reconciliation throughout the ages of the Church.
Takeaways:
- In the podcast, the significance of reconciliation in God's redemptive plan is emphasized as crucial for understanding biblical prophecy.
- Scott Rice explains how the shedding of blood is essential for reconciliation between God and humanity in both Testaments.
- The discussion highlights how Christ's sacrifice transforms the reconciliation process under the New Covenant for believers today.
- Listeners are reminded that acknowledging the seriousness of sin is vital in the reconciliation process, reflecting Jesus' suffering.
- The concept of reconciliation is tied deeply to the unfolding of end times prophecies, showing its relevance today.
- The podcast stresses the role of Christians in actively participating in the ministry of reconciliation amidst a divided world.
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Welcome to Revelation Warning,a weekly podcast hosted by Pastor
Robert Thibodeau as heinterviews prophecy experts from
around the world as we discusscurrent events in relation to Bible
prophecy.
All of this is to give theworld a final Revelation Warning.
Now, here is your host withthis week's guest, Pastor Robert
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Thibodeau.
Foreign hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today.
Today we're being joined byour good friend Scott, right again,
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author of the God CenterConcept Journal, host of the God
Center Concept Podcast.
Scott is a respected teacheron biblical prophecy in the end times.
His insights intoreconciliation, which is our topic
today, is a critical key tounderstanding the end times.
And it's not just profound,but very timely for the day and time
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in which we live today.
Amen.
And drawing from Scripture,Scott, she has light on this central
thing that unites God'sredemptive plan for humanity.
Amen.
Help me welcome the programour good friend, Scott Rice.
Scott, welcome back.
And.
And as we get ready to do thisrecording, we are in the middle of
the Christmas season right now.
So Merry Christmas, PraiseGod, and Merry Christmas to you.
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And hey, it's great to be backon the show.
Look forward to another fun,fruitful discussion.
Amen.
Amen.
So this is going to be thefirst episode that is published for
our ministry in 2025.
So happy New Year as well.
Have a blessed 2025, my friend.
Amen.
So let's begin by definingwhat reconciliation is.
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I mean, from a biblicalperspective, how does 2 Corinthians
5, 18, 19 explain itssignificance in God's plan?
Well, I think the wholeunderstanding of reconciliation is
the fact that it's God usingsome kind of a means to reconcile
his people to himself and bothcollectively and individually.
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And we see this play out inthe Bible in all kinds of places
in the Old and the New Testament.
But reconciliation is.
It's basically the processthat we go through to reconnect to
God, and it's removing our sinso that he can connect to us.
That's really what it is.
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And obviously, in this day andage, in the New Testament time, the
church age is.
We want to.
We like to talk about.
It is about Christ whoreconciles us to God.
It's all about what is donethrough Him.
So that's how it's done.
It's, you know, it's nothingthat we do per se to earn it, but
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it's us surrendering to it.
It's Surrendering to Christ sothat he can reconcile us to God.
Are there parts of the processthat we have to walk through?
Absolutely.
We have to confess, we haveto, we have to surrender, confess.
We also have to repent.
And notice I didn't sayconfession and repent and combining
them, because repentance isturning away and setting your heart
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and actually starting to doand go in the direction that you're
supposed to go.
So it's the whole process.
And before we see it play outin the Old Testament as well, before.
Jesus came, how was thereconciliation between God and humanity
accomplished or attempted?
I mean, what limitations didthese people, you know, have that
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Jesus took care of?
Sure.
So one of the main thingpieces of reconciliation both in
the Old and New Testament is,is basically the shedding of blood.
Blood has to be a part of this.
And so in the Old Testament itwas done through the sacrifice of
animals and the blood ofanimals, that would be what would
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reconcile people.
And so we see this play out asearly as Genesis 4.
Cain and Abel, they talk aboutthe offerings, you know, they're
giving an offer.
That with Adam and Eve because.
Exactly.
God slaughtered an innocentanimal just to give them clothes.
Yep.
And so you saw that part as well.
And so the blood sacrifice is,is a key component to all of this.
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Now where it really comes intoplay is on the mountain with Moses
when God gives them thetabernacle and the whole process
and the feast of the day ofatonement is the key, is the key
feast for them to bereconciled to God.
And how does that all start?
It's you take your unblemishedlamb, your one year old lamb that
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you've raised, and you givethat to them to be sacrificed and
you have to watch it be sacrificed.
And that is the representationof your sin.
That innocence is being killedbecause of your sin.
Yeah.
And I like sometimes when I'mteaching on this, you know, I'll,
I'll put it down, you know,the impact that has, because you're
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raising this land, it has tobe unblemished, which means you're
not going to leave it out inthe barnyard, you know, where it
can get in fight with anotheranimal and all that.
So these animals are raised aspets in the house.
I said, can you try andexplain to your 5 year old who loves
her little lamb why now youhave to kill it?
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Exactly.
And you know that.
And that, you know that iswhen you stop and think about it
like that, you know, you raisethis little puppy, you got, the puppy
is Eight, nine, ten weeks old.
Okay.
Now it's one year old.
Let's kill it.
You know, the family pet.
How can you do that?
You know, and, but that's howit's emphasized to the children how
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serious sin is.
And, and, but, yeah, that.
That's, you know.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
So a part.
I just want to say this, apart of reconciliation, and I'm glad
you brought that up, is thatwe are to acknowledge the seriousness
of our sin.
I mean, this is how serioussin is.
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Jesus had to die, and he hadto die a certain way before the sacrifice
would be acceptable to God.
It wasn't just dying.
It was incredibly painful.
One of the most painful wayssomebody could die.
Yeah.
And it had to be done that waybecause of the hideous.
Hideousness of our sin.
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Yeah.
And go listen to old BillyGraham sermons.
He talks about that.
Oh, yeah.
And the innocence of Jesus.
Everybody knew he was.
Everybody knew he was innocent.
Even Pilate.
Even Pilot and Pilate's wife.
I bet he could.
Caught black over that one.
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So anyway.
Yeah.
How has Jesus transformed, though?
Reconciliation through the new covenant.
We talked about the Old Covenant.
What about the New Covenant?
What does that mean forbelievers today?
So the blood of Jesus, number one.
The blood of Jesus is the mostimportant and the most valuable commodity
in human history.
It is.
It outranks any othercommodity that you can ever imagine.
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Because the blood of Jesus isthe only thing that can cleanse us
from our sins.
It's the shedding of his bloodthat becomes the new covenant.
And it's through his bloodthat we are washed clean.
And think of it this way.
Think of all your sins beingwritten on this page of a book, every
sin you've ever committed.
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And then the blood of Jesus isspilt on that and it covers it.
So the sin is seen no more.
All.
All that's seen as the bloodof Jesus.
That's how important the bloodof Jesus is.
Because God is going.
There's going to be a judgment.
And when that judgment comes,is he going to see the blood of Jesus
or is he going to see your sin?
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That's the question.
That's it.
There is no other question.
That's how important Jesus isto all of this process.
Because it all has to do with that.
When we die in the flesh,we're going to go and stand before
God and be judged.
Are we going to be judgedaccording to our sin?
Are we going to be judgedaccording to the blood of Jesus?
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Amen.
That's it.
His blood is the key yeah.
We have a big thing in modernday information where someone will
request some document from the government.
You know, they're doingresearch on the assassination of
John Kennedy or something.
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And you get these documentsand they're all redacted.
You know, it says, and then hewent here, he went to.
And it's redacted.
And he talked to.
And that's redacted and all that.
They redact it.
And if you're trying to enter the.
If you took that document andentered it into a court of law, in
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a lawsuit for something orother, they just say there's no proof
here, you know, but this is,this highlights everything.
All that redacted stuff iswhere they're guilty.
Yeah.
There's no proof.
And in our book of life, the,the record that you talk about, of
our life, full of sin, if wehave Jesus as our savior and the
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devil says, here's what hedid, bam.
And he throws it down on atable and they open up, there's nothing
there.
It's all blacked out orcovered in the blood.
It's all red out.
You know, we'll call that.
But, you know, and the judgesays, no proof.
Not guilty.
You know.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
What a day that will be.
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Amen.
Exactly.
Yeah.
The accuser won't win.
He can't.
He can't stand against theblood of Jesus.
Yeah.
He's already lost.
He's already lost.
And as we said before, and heknows he lost.
And the clock is ticking.
Yeah.
Amen.
So why do you believereconciliation is the key aspect?
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We talk about prophecy all the time.
Why is this the key aspect tounderstanding the end times prophecies?
So to me, it's theunderstanding, not only the end time
prophecies, but all prophecy,because it's.
Who's carrying that message ofreconciliation is the key.
As, as we study the seven agesof the Church, it's.
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I, and you and I have talkedabout this and, and I'm not always
sure that people have studiedthis deep enough and long enough
and dug deep enough to understand.
I think they've just taken itat face value, certain church events
or events that happened in thehistory of the church and just it
said, oh, this is what, what,where the switching is and what it
is and, you know, just kind of assumed.
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Whereas real study, diggingdeep teaches us that it's all about
who carries the message of reconciliation.
So in the Old Testament, wayback in Genesis, it's just about
the sacrifice, the patriarchs.
Yeah, it is.
I mean, there would be Somekind of a sacrifice.
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I mean, we see that withAbraham, that obviously was going
on.
We see it like you said, allthe way back to Genesis 3 and 4.
We see that going on.
We see it going on all the waythrough up until Moses.
And then Moses gets thetabernacle and we see the day of
atonement.
And that is a shifting asIsrael becomes a nation.
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Now they are the messengers.
They are the ones carrying themessage of reconciliation.
And the goal was, is that theywould carry the message of reconciliation
and host it for the rest ofthe world.
But that never happened.
That just didn't happen.
They failed miserably, I mean,over and over and over.
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And God gave them multiple chances.
So what happens?
Well, Jesus comes along andthe veil of the curtain is torn in
two.
And then we have about, abouta five to seven, eight year period
there before Peter receivesthe Acts 10 vision, approximately.
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So they, they think that Jesus died.
And I've, I've been looking atdifferent research so there's some
arguments that it's in, it wasin 30, some in 33, some in 32.
But this one that I read in 31kind of makes sense.
It made the most sense to me.
I'm not saying it is, and I'mnot going to say it's defined as
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that, but it's roughly in that area.
Well, roughly five to seven,eight years later, Peter receives
that Acts 10 vision.
And that Acts 10 vision is theshift, it is the key that shifts
the message of reconciliationfrom the Jews to the Gentiles.
Because what happens, Peter,Paul, the disciples, they start spreading
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the word of God to all the Gentiles.
Cornelius becomes the first convert.
Gentile convert, technicallyin, in a way.
Now there had been others whenJesus was there that were just that
lived in the area.
But for it to start happeningoutside of the area of Jerusalem
and the area of Judea, itstarts spreading and spreading and
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spreading.
And so the Gentile startstaking over the message of reconciliation.
And that message ofreconciliation is through Christ,
the period of the Messiah.
And we're going to have sevenages of the church, which we're living
in the last age now.
But even that has all beenabout who carries the message of
reconciliation.
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Yeah, there was a separationin the first stage of the church.
You see it start to separatebetween that the Jew and the Christian
starts to separate becausethey were kind of linked in together
for a little while.
But you see that dividing linecome apart in the first stage of
the church.
The second age of the churchis all about how the persecuted church
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spreads, you know, and there'sjust pockets and periods of.
Of persecution.
A lot of people think that theentire second age of that church,
that time period between about138 all the way up to the 3:13ish
mark, they think it's allpersecution the entire time.
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That is absolutely not true.
Matter of fact, this is wherethe second to the third J Church,
some people think it's Edictof Milan.
And that is not actually wouldbe accurate because there was the
Edict of Tolerance.
That was in 260.
The Edict of Milan is not eventhe first time that, that we have.
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That we have Christianitybeing okay.
That happens in 260.
So.
And there's kind of thisperiod that it's accepted and it's
okay.
And.
And then it's not.
And then it is.
And it's not even till 380that the Roman Empire adopts Christianity
as its official state religion.
That didn't even happen until 380.
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So what's the event?
It's Constantine being baptized.
You and I have talked about that.
I mean, and you even made the point.
Here's the emperor whoseworship is a God, says, oh, I have
to be baptized and bow beforeGod and kind of really kind of throwing
mud in the face of the Pharaoh.
When you go read back inExodus, who thinks he is a God, thinks
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he doesn't have to bow to God,and he pays the price for that.
And then as we move forwardthrough the ages of the church, we
get through the fourth age.
And when we get to the end ofthe fourth age, it's really about
the British Empire taking overthe message of reconciliation away
from the Roman.
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Basically the Roman culture isreally what it is.
And then they spread itfurther and wider than anybody.
I mean, the sun sets, neversets in the British Empire.
Well, think about it.
As they're colonizing, they'realso taking their churches, the Anglican
Church, they're spreading that.
And there's Britishmissionaries going all over the place
spreading the word of God.
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You know, the Great Awakening,which will be the six age of the
Church, will be spread through the.
From the.
Will come from the British Empire.
And then the Age of Opulence,which is really what the Laodicean
Church is.
That all starts in Britain.
So the British Empire reallyfor the fourth and fifth age.
And what I find fascinating isthat the first four ages is chapter
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two of Revelation, the lastthree is chapter three.
It's kind of like chapter twois about what all happens in Rome
as the centerpiece and Thenchapter three is all about what happens
in London.
I mean, it's fascinating in away that is just mind boggling.
And it's about who carries themessage of reconciliation.
But think about this.
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We're getting to the last,we're in the last stage and we're
getting to the end of the last stage.
You know that, that time iscoming and who's going to be, you
know, you kind of wonder, isit going to be the building of the
Third temple?
Is it going to be a rapturethat ends the church age?
You know, you can, you canmake a case for either side of that.
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But what's happening in thebook of Revelation when they, when
the, the seals are starting tobe broken, the first seal.
And as you read, people aregrumbling against God, but they won't
repent.
See, again, it comes back tothis whole idea of reconciliation.
So there's this time period ofthe tribulation that people aren't
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reconciling to God in any way.
They aren't.
I think there'll be pockets ofindividuals and of course there'll
be the 144,000 that'll come toChrist during that time.
But it's not a majority ofpeople and it certainly isn't a very
large percentage of people.
Most people are 8 billionpeople and only 144,000.
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I mean, it's like, exactly.
I mean, it's crazy how that works.
And, and so we have a, we havethis seven, you know, this seven
year tribulation that's goingto occur.
And during that tribulation,people are going to grumble.
Every time these seals arebroken, the seven trumpets and the
seven bowls of wrath, all ofthat, people are going to grumble
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against the two witnesses.
And I mean, it's, I mean,they're gonna, when they're killed,
they're gonna be sending giftsto each other immediately.
And so it kind of shows thislack of reverence for God.
Reconciliation brings reverence.
If people aren't givingreverence to God and putting him
on the throne of their lifeand really manifesting him above
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all other things, they're notreconciled to God.
Yeah, I mean, in this world, Imean this, this whole world is marked
by division.
I mean, you got Republicansand Democrats, whites and blacks
and Hispanics and everybodyelse involved in the mix, nation
against nation, Syria and, youknow, I mean, it's just one thing
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after another.
So in this world that's markedby division, how can Christians really
actively participate in thisministry of reconciliation as we
are going through these end times.
Well, we need to be.
We need to be sharing ourfaith with others.
That's.
We're called to do that nomatter what age of the church, no
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matter when and how and where.
Our calling ultimately is toshare our faith and to help spread
the word of God and to spreadthe gospel.
That's the message of reconciliation.
You talk about Acts 10:38.
That's one of my favorite scriptures.
I mean, I can preach on thatall day long, several times a week,
you know, and never getthrough it all, you know, But God,
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you know, and his message,Peter's message to Cornelius was
how God and he says thismessage, you know, you heard it.
You know how God anointedJesus of Nazareth, the Holy Ghost
and power, who went aboutdoing good healing, all that were
oppressed of the devil, forGod was with him.
And we are his witnesses toall these things, you know, And I
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mean, that's.
To me that.
That is like, if I am visitingsomewhere, they say, oh, passwalk,
come up and give us a message today.
And, you know, unless led bythe Holy Spirit to do something else.
That's my go to message,because that is the gospel summed
up in one verse.
Amen.
God did with Jesus what Jesusdid for us, and now this is our turn,
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you know.
And amen.
You get people fired up withthat one verse of scripture.
Well, 10:38 and 39, two verses.
Yeah.
And I'll go into.
And what are witnessessupposed to do?
I can't be a witness in acourt case.
Well, I heard that, you know,John hit his wife while he was wrecking
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the car.
Well, did you witness it?
No.
Well, your testimony is invalid.
Right.
It gets tossed out.
So to be a witness means youcan only talk about what you know.
Yeah, firsthand.
Firsthand.
Not secondhand, thirdhand,fourth hand only.
What you know, you know.
And when you're a witness towhat you know about Jesus, that's
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admissible in any court oflaw, including the heavenly court.
Amen.
Anyway, I didn't want.
I told.
I can start preaching on thatone verse, brother.
Hey, well, think about Luke himself.
Luke is the one that writes this.
He not only writes the gospel,but really Acts is just a second
part of the Gospel of Luke.
Gospel, Luke and Amen.
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And so what Luke does is hegoes around and records eyewitness
accounts.
That's what he's doing.
You know, you talk about beingadmissible in a court of law.
Of all the gospels, Luke isthe one that.
That really takes eyewitnessaccounts and.
And Takes that to the nthdegree and, and writes really the
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longest version of.
What do we call in, in modernday terminology, what do we call
a documented interview of awitness that's admissible in court.
A deposition.
You know, that's really whathe's doing.
This is Luke's deposition.
He's presenting it and, andhe's talking to all these different
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people as he's recording bothhis gospel and the book of Acts.
And of course we, you know,they, they eventually separate.
That, that really was one bigstory that he wrote is really what
that is.
And you know, he's, he'sfollowing Paul in a lot of the book
of Acts.
But it's not just Paul.
He's talking to, he's talkingto Peter, he's talking to the other
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disciples.
He's using other sourcesources that had direct eyewitness
accounts.
He is using eyewitnessaccounts to write this really this
story about Christ.
And if I was to say that Icould only keep one gospel, of the
four gospels that werewritten, it, that's the one I would
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keep as Luke.
I would keep Luke in the bookof Acts together as one because.
Exactly.
It's, it's based on eyewitness accounts.
It's what you said.
It's a big deposition and it'sdirect evidence.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, Scott, as usual been sointerested I can just keep going.
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But how can someone reach outto you with questions or if they
want to get more informationor maybe invite you to do an interview
such as.
This so they can go to the Godcentered concept which is just email
me at gcc God centered.
Make sure the ED is thereconcept2038gmail.com I will tell
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you some of this stuff isgoing to change eventually as we're
going to be developing a website.
We're going to be doing a fulllaunch here in 2025.
Recordings have already started.
Pastor Bob is going to be on our.
He's actually going to be onour show.
He's going to be.
There goes the neighborhood.
There he goes.
He's going to be actually ourfirst interview that we post and
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I've got other people in linealready for interviews.
We're going to be.
I'll tell you what, we aregoing to do a lot of more than I
actually anticipated.
We're going to do a lot ofteaching about what is going on now.
We're going to.
I think the show is going toend up a lot of focus on the seven
ages of the church and tyingin how Things are happening and showing
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people through evidence, muchlike Luke, how it relates to the
end times and how things aredeveloping as we go.
You know, I think one of themost interesting pieces to all this
is that how in the world.
It's just always asking thequestion, how did we get here?
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Yeah, how.
How did we get to the pointthat we're at?
How did this happen?
So we're going to give somehistorical context in our show that
I think you guys will findinteresting as well as it'll help
you connect things and make itmake more sense.
It won't just be like, theHoly Spirit gave me a vision and
here it is and you know, andthen things don't happen and then
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they look foolish.
The things that I get from theHoly Spirit, I will tell you always,
he always backs it up withshowing me evidence.
I've always.
It's been kind of aninteresting thing with that prophetic
way of, I guess, coming, youknow, and you and I have talked about
that here on the show before,is that there's God always leaves
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evidence.
Even the prophets.
In the Old Testament, therewas always.
It wasn't just the prophet speaking.
There were usually evidenceeven beforehand.
And the prophet was just giventhe final warning.
I mean, it was like, this is it.
Yep.
Amen.
If you don't do this, this iswhat's going to happen.
Yep.
What did he tell Pharaoh?
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You know, exactly.
I mean, he was warned, yeah, let.
My people go or it's not goingto be good.
And here's all the evidence.
And then it just kept gettingworse and worse and he still wouldn't
let him go.
And it just kept getting worse.
And he kept telling him whatwas going to happen, but, you know,
it's kind of like, it's kindof like Larry Bird back in the day
when he had hit a last secondshot, he'd tell the defender what
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he's going to do and thedefender wouldn't believe him and
he would do it and hit theshot and win the game.
So or, or Muhammad Ali, he'sgoing out in round three.
And he went out in round threemost of the time.
Almost every time.
Sometimes they say he's notgoing to make it one round, first
round knockout.
You know, my dad went to, youknow, because back in the day when
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you had to do, you know, pay,you know, he went down to like they
had, where the hockey arenaand they had a big screen in there
they'd bring out, you know,and for closed circuit tv, you know.
Oh yeah, my dad paid money togo watch Muhammad Ali in this fight.
And Muhammad Ali was talkingabout he's going to get him knocked
out in the first round.
And he was still in line whenthey were introducing the fighters
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and stuff, you know, to gethis little refreshments and the thing.
And my dad's just getting hisstuff paid for it.
He's walking in and they'realready lifting his hand up in the
air.
33 seconds into the first round.
He knocked the guy in, he paidthe money, didn't even get to see.
Had to watch it on replay.
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How do we get off on that subject?
I have no idea.
Anyway, folks, I cannotemphasize enough how important it
is for you to realize we areliving right now in the last of the
last days.
The days that have beenprophesied as the quote, unquote,
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end times.
They're here right now.
Drop down the show notes,reach out to Scott Wright, get in
touch with him, subscribe tothe podcast, be sure to purchase
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that he specializes in.
Amen.
Do it right now before youforget about it later.
Scott, man, I appreciate youtaking the time to come on the program,
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share all about thisinformation with us.
Getting 2025 kicked off with abang, man, I just, I just appreciate
it so much, brother.
Hey, I'm looking forward to it.
And we're looking forward to2025 with all of our launches going
on and I look forward to beingon the show again.
And hey, been having a greattime the last two years and let's
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have some more fun times.
Amen.
And the cool thing is when youtalk about the end times and the
Bible, you never run out ofstuff to talk about.
No, it's, it's endless.
Literally, it's endless.
When, when, when we stoptalking about it, that means Jesus
came back or we're with himone way or the other.
We could sit here and talk forthree hours on the show and not even
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put hardly a ripple in the water.
That's right.
Amen.
Amen.
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Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today.
Today we're being joined byour good friend Scott, right again,
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author of the God CenterConcept Journal, host of the God
Center Concept Podcast.
Scott is a respected teacheron biblical prophecy in the end times.
His insights intoreconciliation, which is our topic
today, is a critical key tounderstanding the end times.
And it's not just profound,but very timely for the day and time
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in which we live today.
Amen.
And drawing from Scripture,Scott, she has light on this central
thing that unites God'sredemptive plan for humanity.
Amen.
Help me welcome the programour good friend, Scott Rice.
Scott, welcome back.
And.
And as we get ready to do thisrecording, we are in the middle of
the Christmas season right now.
So Merry Christmas, PraiseGod, and Merry Christmas to you.
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And hey, it's great to be backon the show.
Look forward to another fun,fruitful discussion.
Amen.
Amen.
So this is going to be thefirst episode that is published for
our ministry in 2025.
So happy New Year as well.
Have a blessed 2025, my friend.
Amen.
So let's begin by definingwhat reconciliation is.
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I mean, from a biblicalperspective, how does 2 Corinthians
5, 18, 19 explain itssignificance in God's plan?
Well, I think the wholeunderstanding of reconciliation is
the fact that it's God usingsome kind of a means to reconcile
his people to himself and bothcollectively and individually.
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And we see this play out inthe Bible in all kinds of places
in the Old and the New Testament.
But reconciliation is.
It's basically the processthat we go through to reconnect to
God, and it's removing our sinso that he can connect to us.
That's really what it is.
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And obviously, in this day andage, in the New Testament time, the
church age is.
We want to.
We like to talk about.
It is about Christ whoreconciles us to God.
It's all about what is donethrough Him.
So that's how it's done.
It's, you know, it's nothingthat we do per se to earn it, but
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it's us surrendering to it.
It's Surrendering to Christ sothat he can reconcile us to God.
Are there parts of the processthat we have to walk through?
Absolutely.
We have to confess, we haveto, we have to surrender, confess.
We also have to repent.
And notice I didn't sayconfession and repent and combining
them, because repentance isturning away and setting your heart
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and actually starting to doand go in the direction that you're
supposed to go.
So it's the whole process.
And before we see it play outin the Old Testament as well, before.
Jesus came, how was thereconciliation between God and humanity
accomplished or attempted?
I mean, what limitations didthese people, you know, have that
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Jesus took care of?
Sure.
So one of the main thingpieces of reconciliation both in
the Old and New Testament is,is basically the shedding of blood.
Blood has to be a part of this.
And so in the Old Testament itwas done through the sacrifice of
animals and the blood ofanimals, that would be what would
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reconcile people.
And so we see this play out asearly as Genesis 4.
Cain and Abel, they talk aboutthe offerings, you know, they're
giving an offer.
That with Adam and Eve because.
Exactly.
God slaughtered an innocentanimal just to give them clothes.
Yep.
And so you saw that part as well.
And so the blood sacrifice is,is a key component to all of this.
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Now where it really comes intoplay is on the mountain with Moses
when God gives them thetabernacle and the whole process
and the feast of the day ofatonement is the key, is the key
feast for them to bereconciled to God.
And how does that all start?
It's you take your unblemishedlamb, your one year old lamb that
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you've raised, and you givethat to them to be sacrificed and
you have to watch it be sacrificed.
And that is the representationof your sin.
That innocence is being killedbecause of your sin.
Yeah.
And I like sometimes when I'mteaching on this, you know, I'll,
I'll put it down, you know,the impact that has, because you're
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raising this land, it has tobe unblemished, which means you're
not going to leave it out inthe barnyard, you know, where it
can get in fight with anotheranimal and all that.
So these animals are raised aspets in the house.
I said, can you try andexplain to your 5 year old who loves
her little lamb why now youhave to kill it?
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Exactly.
And you know that.
And that, you know that iswhen you stop and think about it
like that, you know, you raisethis little puppy, you got, the puppy
is Eight, nine, ten weeks old.
Okay.
Now it's one year old.
Let's kill it.
You know, the family pet.
How can you do that?
You know, and, but that's howit's emphasized to the children how
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serious sin is.
And, and, but, yeah, that.
That's, you know.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
So a part.
I just want to say this, apart of reconciliation, and I'm glad
you brought that up, is thatwe are to acknowledge the seriousness
of our sin.
I mean, this is how serioussin is.
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Jesus had to die, and he hadto die a certain way before the sacrifice
would be acceptable to God.
It wasn't just dying.
It was incredibly painful.
One of the most painful wayssomebody could die.
Yeah.
And it had to be done that waybecause of the hideous.
Hideousness of our sin.
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Yeah.
And go listen to old BillyGraham sermons.
He talks about that.
Oh, yeah.
And the innocence of Jesus.
Everybody knew he was.
Everybody knew he was innocent.
Even Pilate.
Even Pilot and Pilate's wife.
I bet he could.
Caught black over that one.
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So anyway.
Yeah.
How has Jesus transformed, though?
Reconciliation through the new covenant.
We talked about the Old Covenant.
What about the New Covenant?
What does that mean forbelievers today?
So the blood of Jesus, number one.
The blood of Jesus is the mostimportant and the most valuable commodity
in human history.
It is.
It outranks any othercommodity that you can ever imagine.
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Because the blood of Jesus isthe only thing that can cleanse us
from our sins.
It's the shedding of his bloodthat becomes the new covenant.
And it's through his bloodthat we are washed clean.
And think of it this way.
Think of all your sins beingwritten on this page of a book, every
sin you've ever committed.
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And then the blood of Jesus isspilt on that and it covers it.
So the sin is seen no more.
All.
All that's seen as the bloodof Jesus.
That's how important the bloodof Jesus is.
Because God is going.
There's going to be a judgment.
And when that judgment comes,is he going to see the blood of Jesus
or is he going to see your sin?
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That's the question.
That's it.
There is no other question.
That's how important Jesus isto all of this process.
Because it all has to do with that.
When we die in the flesh,we're going to go and stand before
God and be judged.
Are we going to be judgedaccording to our sin?
Are we going to be judgedaccording to the blood of Jesus?
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Amen.
That's it.
His blood is the key yeah.
We have a big thing in modernday information where someone will
request some document from the government.
You know, they're doingresearch on the assassination of
John Kennedy or something.
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And you get these documentsand they're all redacted.
You know, it says, and then hewent here, he went to.
And it's redacted.
And he talked to.
And that's redacted and all that.
They redact it.
And if you're trying to enter the.
If you took that document andentered it into a court of law, in
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a lawsuit for something orother, they just say there's no proof
here, you know, but this is,this highlights everything.
All that redacted stuff iswhere they're guilty.
Yeah.
There's no proof.
And in our book of life, the,the record that you talk about, of
our life, full of sin, if wehave Jesus as our savior and the
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devil says, here's what hedid, bam.
And he throws it down on atable and they open up, there's nothing
there.
It's all blacked out orcovered in the blood.
It's all red out.
You know, we'll call that.
But, you know, and the judgesays, no proof.
Not guilty.
You know.
Yeah.
Amen.
Amen.
What a day that will be.
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Amen.
Exactly.
Yeah.
The accuser won't win.
He can't.
He can't stand against theblood of Jesus.
Yeah.
He's already lost.
He's already lost.
And as we said before, and heknows he lost.
And the clock is ticking.
Yeah.
Amen.
So why do you believereconciliation is the key aspect?
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We talk about prophecy all the time.
Why is this the key aspect tounderstanding the end times prophecies?
So to me, it's theunderstanding, not only the end time
prophecies, but all prophecy,because it's.
Who's carrying that message ofreconciliation is the key.
As, as we study the seven agesof the Church, it's.
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I, and you and I have talkedabout this and, and I'm not always
sure that people have studiedthis deep enough and long enough
and dug deep enough to understand.
I think they've just taken itat face value, certain church events
or events that happened in thehistory of the church and just it
said, oh, this is what, what,where the switching is and what it
is and, you know, just kind of assumed.
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Whereas real study, diggingdeep teaches us that it's all about
who carries the message of reconciliation.
So in the Old Testament, wayback in Genesis, it's just about
the sacrifice, the patriarchs.
Yeah, it is.
I mean, there would be Somekind of a sacrifice.
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I mean, we see that withAbraham, that obviously was going
on.
We see it like you said, allthe way back to Genesis 3 and 4.
We see that going on.
We see it going on all the waythrough up until Moses.
And then Moses gets thetabernacle and we see the day of
atonement.
And that is a shifting asIsrael becomes a nation.
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Now they are the messengers.
They are the ones carrying themessage of reconciliation.
And the goal was, is that theywould carry the message of reconciliation
and host it for the rest ofthe world.
But that never happened.
That just didn't happen.
They failed miserably, I mean,over and over and over.
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And God gave them multiple chances.
So what happens?
Well, Jesus comes along andthe veil of the curtain is torn in
two.
And then we have about, abouta five to seven, eight year period
there before Peter receivesthe Acts 10 vision, approximately.
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So they, they think that Jesus died.
And I've, I've been looking atdifferent research so there's some
arguments that it's in, it wasin 30, some in 33, some in 32.
But this one that I read in 31kind of makes sense.
It made the most sense to me.
I'm not saying it is, and I'mnot going to say it's defined as
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that, but it's roughly in that area.
Well, roughly five to seven,eight years later, Peter receives
that Acts 10 vision.
And that Acts 10 vision is theshift, it is the key that shifts
the message of reconciliationfrom the Jews to the Gentiles.
Because what happens, Peter,Paul, the disciples, they start spreading
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the word of God to all the Gentiles.
Cornelius becomes the first convert.
Gentile convert, technicallyin, in a way.
Now there had been others whenJesus was there that were just that
lived in the area.
But for it to start happeningoutside of the area of Jerusalem
and the area of Judea, itstarts spreading and spreading and
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spreading.
And so the Gentile startstaking over the message of reconciliation.
And that message ofreconciliation is through Christ,
the period of the Messiah.
And we're going to have sevenages of the church, which we're living
in the last age now.
But even that has all beenabout who carries the message of
reconciliation.
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Yeah, there was a separationin the first stage of the church.
You see it start to separatebetween that the Jew and the Christian
starts to separate becausethey were kind of linked in together
for a little while.
But you see that dividing linecome apart in the first stage of
the church.
The second age of the churchis all about how the persecuted church
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spreads, you know, and there'sjust pockets and periods of.
Of persecution.
A lot of people think that theentire second age of that church,
that time period between about138 all the way up to the 3:13ish
mark, they think it's allpersecution the entire time.
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That is absolutely not true.
Matter of fact, this is wherethe second to the third J Church,
some people think it's Edictof Milan.
And that is not actually wouldbe accurate because there was the
Edict of Tolerance.
That was in 260.
The Edict of Milan is not eventhe first time that, that we have.
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That we have Christianitybeing okay.
That happens in 260.
So.
And there's kind of thisperiod that it's accepted and it's
okay.
And.
And then it's not.
And then it is.
And it's not even till 380that the Roman Empire adopts Christianity
as its official state religion.
That didn't even happen until 380.
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So what's the event?
It's Constantine being baptized.
You and I have talked about that.
I mean, and you even made the point.
Here's the emperor whoseworship is a God, says, oh, I have
to be baptized and bow beforeGod and kind of really kind of throwing
mud in the face of the Pharaoh.
When you go read back inExodus, who thinks he is a God, thinks
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he doesn't have to bow to God,and he pays the price for that.
And then as we move forwardthrough the ages of the church, we
get through the fourth age.
And when we get to the end ofthe fourth age, it's really about
the British Empire taking overthe message of reconciliation away
from the Roman.
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Basically the Roman culture isreally what it is.
And then they spread itfurther and wider than anybody.
I mean, the sun sets, neversets in the British Empire.
Well, think about it.
As they're colonizing, they'realso taking their churches, the Anglican
Church, they're spreading that.
And there's Britishmissionaries going all over the place
spreading the word of God.
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You know, the Great Awakening,which will be the six age of the
Church, will be spread through the.
From the.
Will come from the British Empire.
And then the Age of Opulence,which is really what the Laodicean
Church is.
That all starts in Britain.
So the British Empire reallyfor the fourth and fifth age.
And what I find fascinating isthat the first four ages is chapter
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two of Revelation, the lastthree is chapter three.
It's kind of like chapter twois about what all happens in Rome
as the centerpiece and Thenchapter three is all about what happens
in London.
I mean, it's fascinating in away that is just mind boggling.
And it's about who carries themessage of reconciliation.
But think about this.
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We're getting to the last,we're in the last stage and we're
getting to the end of the last stage.
You know that, that time iscoming and who's going to be, you
know, you kind of wonder, isit going to be the building of the
Third temple?
Is it going to be a rapturethat ends the church age?
You know, you can, you canmake a case for either side of that.
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But what's happening in thebook of Revelation when they, when
the, the seals are starting tobe broken, the first seal.
And as you read, people aregrumbling against God, but they won't
repent.
See, again, it comes back tothis whole idea of reconciliation.
So there's this time period ofthe tribulation that people aren't
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reconciling to God in any way.
They aren't.
I think there'll be pockets ofindividuals and of course there'll
be the 144,000 that'll come toChrist during that time.
But it's not a majority ofpeople and it certainly isn't a very
large percentage of people.
Most people are 8 billionpeople and only 144,000.
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I mean, it's like, exactly.
I mean, it's crazy how that works.
And, and so we have a, we havethis seven, you know, this seven
year tribulation that's goingto occur.
And during that tribulation,people are going to grumble.
Every time these seals arebroken, the seven trumpets and the
seven bowls of wrath, all ofthat, people are going to grumble
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against the two witnesses.
And I mean, it's, I mean,they're gonna, when they're killed,
they're gonna be sending giftsto each other immediately.
And so it kind of shows thislack of reverence for God.
Reconciliation brings reverence.
If people aren't givingreverence to God and putting him
on the throne of their lifeand really manifesting him above
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all other things, they're notreconciled to God.
Yeah, I mean, in this world, Imean this, this whole world is marked
by division.
I mean, you got Republicansand Democrats, whites and blacks
and Hispanics and everybodyelse involved in the mix, nation
against nation, Syria and, youknow, I mean, it's just one thing
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after another.
So in this world that's markedby division, how can Christians really
actively participate in thisministry of reconciliation as we
are going through these end times.
Well, we need to be.
We need to be sharing ourfaith with others.
That's.
We're called to do that nomatter what age of the church, no
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matter when and how and where.
Our calling ultimately is toshare our faith and to help spread
the word of God and to spreadthe gospel.
That's the message of reconciliation.
You talk about Acts 10:38.
That's one of my favorite scriptures.
I mean, I can preach on thatall day long, several times a week,
you know, and never getthrough it all, you know, But God,
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you know, and his message,Peter's message to Cornelius was
how God and he says thismessage, you know, you heard it.
You know how God anointedJesus of Nazareth, the Holy Ghost
and power, who went aboutdoing good healing, all that were
oppressed of the devil, forGod was with him.
And we are his witnesses toall these things, you know, And I
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mean, that's.
To me that.
That is like, if I am visitingsomewhere, they say, oh, passwalk,
come up and give us a message today.
And, you know, unless led bythe Holy Spirit to do something else.
That's my go to message,because that is the gospel summed
up in one verse.
Amen.
God did with Jesus what Jesusdid for us, and now this is our turn,
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you know.
And amen.
You get people fired up withthat one verse of scripture.
Well, 10:38 and 39, two verses.
Yeah.
And I'll go into.
And what are witnessessupposed to do?
I can't be a witness in acourt case.
Well, I heard that, you know,John hit his wife while he was wrecking
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the car.
Well, did you witness it?
No.
Well, your testimony is invalid.
Right.
It gets tossed out.
So to be a witness means youcan only talk about what you know.
Yeah, firsthand.
Firsthand.
Not secondhand, thirdhand,fourth hand only.
What you know, you know.
And when you're a witness towhat you know about Jesus, that's
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admissible in any court oflaw, including the heavenly court.
Amen.
Anyway, I didn't want.
I told.
I can start preaching on thatone verse, brother.
Hey, well, think about Luke himself.
Luke is the one that writes this.
He not only writes the gospel,but really Acts is just a second
part of the Gospel of Luke.
Gospel, Luke and Amen.
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And so what Luke does is hegoes around and records eyewitness
accounts.
That's what he's doing.
You know, you talk about beingadmissible in a court of law.
Of all the gospels, Luke isthe one that.
That really takes eyewitnessaccounts and.
And Takes that to the nthdegree and, and writes really the
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longest version of.
What do we call in, in modernday terminology, what do we call
a documented interview of awitness that's admissible in court.
A deposition.
You know, that's really whathe's doing.
This is Luke's deposition.
He's presenting it and, andhe's talking to all these different
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people as he's recording bothhis gospel and the book of Acts.
And of course we, you know,they, they eventually separate.
That, that really was one bigstory that he wrote is really what
that is.
And you know, he's, he'sfollowing Paul in a lot of the book
of Acts.
But it's not just Paul.
He's talking to, he's talkingto Peter, he's talking to the other
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disciples.
He's using other sourcesources that had direct eyewitness
accounts.
He is using eyewitnessaccounts to write this really this
story about Christ.
And if I was to say that Icould only keep one gospel, of the
four gospels that werewritten, it, that's the one I would
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keep as Luke.
I would keep Luke in the bookof Acts together as one because.
Exactly.
It's, it's based on eyewitness accounts.
It's what you said.
It's a big deposition and it'sdirect evidence.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, Scott, as usual been sointerested I can just keep going.
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But how can someone reach outto you with questions or if they
want to get more informationor maybe invite you to do an interview
such as.
This so they can go to the Godcentered concept which is just email
me at gcc God centered.
Make sure the ED is thereconcept2038gmail.com I will tell
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you some of this stuff isgoing to change eventually as we're
going to be developing a website.
We're going to be doing a fulllaunch here in 2025.
Recordings have already started.
Pastor Bob is going to be on our.
He's actually going to be onour show.
He's going to be.
There goes the neighborhood.
There he goes.
He's going to be actually ourfirst interview that we post and
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I've got other people in linealready for interviews.
We're going to be.
I'll tell you what, we aregoing to do a lot of more than I
actually anticipated.
We're going to do a lot ofteaching about what is going on now.
We're going to.
I think the show is going toend up a lot of focus on the seven
ages of the church and tyingin how Things are happening and showing
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people through evidence, muchlike Luke, how it relates to the
end times and how things aredeveloping as we go.
You know, I think one of themost interesting pieces to all this
is that how in the world.
It's just always asking thequestion, how did we get here?
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Yeah, how.
How did we get to the pointthat we're at?
How did this happen?
So we're going to give somehistorical context in our show that
I think you guys will findinteresting as well as it'll help
you connect things and make itmake more sense.
It won't just be like, theHoly Spirit gave me a vision and
here it is and you know, andthen things don't happen and then
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they look foolish.
The things that I get from theHoly Spirit, I will tell you always,
he always backs it up withshowing me evidence.
I've always.
It's been kind of aninteresting thing with that prophetic
way of, I guess, coming, youknow, and you and I have talked about
that here on the show before,is that there's God always leaves
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evidence.
Even the prophets.
In the Old Testament, therewas always.
It wasn't just the prophet speaking.
There were usually evidenceeven beforehand.
And the prophet was just giventhe final warning.
I mean, it was like, this is it.
Yep.
Amen.
If you don't do this, this iswhat's going to happen.
Yep.
What did he tell Pharaoh?
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You know, exactly.
I mean, he was warned, yeah, let.
My people go or it's not goingto be good.
And here's all the evidence.
And then it just kept gettingworse and worse and he still wouldn't
let him go.
And it just kept getting worse.
And he kept telling him whatwas going to happen, but, you know,
it's kind of like, it's kindof like Larry Bird back in the day
when he had hit a last secondshot, he'd tell the defender what
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he's going to do and thedefender wouldn't believe him and
he would do it and hit theshot and win the game.
So or, or Muhammad Ali, he'sgoing out in round three.
And he went out in round threemost of the time.
Almost every time.
Sometimes they say he's notgoing to make it one round, first
round knockout.
You know, my dad went to, youknow, because back in the day when
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you had to do, you know, pay,you know, he went down to like they
had, where the hockey arenaand they had a big screen in there
they'd bring out, you know,and for closed circuit tv, you know.
Oh yeah, my dad paid money togo watch Muhammad Ali in this fight.
And Muhammad Ali was talkingabout he's going to get him knocked
out in the first round.
And he was still in line whenthey were introducing the fighters
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and stuff, you know, to gethis little refreshments and the thing.
And my dad's just getting hisstuff paid for it.
He's walking in and they'realready lifting his hand up in the
air.
33 seconds into the first round.
He knocked the guy in, he paidthe money, didn't even get to see.
Had to watch it on replay.
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How do we get off on that subject?
I have no idea.
Anyway, folks, I cannotemphasize enough how important it
is for you to realize we areliving right now in the last of the
last days.
The days that have beenprophesied as the quote, unquote,
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end times.
They're here right now.
Drop down the show notes,reach out to Scott Wright, get in
touch with him, subscribe tothe podcast, be sure to purchase
his journal, start learningall about these God centered concepts
that he specializes in.
Amen.
Do it right now before youforget about it later.
Scott, man, I appreciate youtaking the time to come on the program,
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share all about thisinformation with us.
Getting 2025 kicked off with abang, man, I just, I just appreciate
it so much, brother.
Hey, I'm looking forward to it.
And we're looking forward to2025 with all of our launches going
on and I look forward to beingon the show again.
And hey, been having a greattime the last two years and let's
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have some more fun times.
Amen.
And the cool thing is when youtalk about the end times and the
Bible, you never run out ofstuff to talk about.
No, it's, it's endless.
Literally, it's endless.
When, when, when we stoptalking about it, that means Jesus
came back or we're with himone way or the other.
We could sit here and talk forthree hours on the show and not even
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put hardly a ripple in the water.
That's right.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, folks, that's all thetime we have for today for Scout
Wright.
Marcellus passed by remindingyou to be blessed, all that you do.
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