January 27, 2025 • 28 mins
The Nephilim:
Giants, Fallen Angels, or Something Else?
Join Pastor Robert Thibodeau and Bible scholar Scott Wright as they delve into the enigmatic topic of the Nephilim, exploring their mysterious origins and significance in biblical history.
The discussion centers around the Nephilim as a hybrid of fallen angels and humans, and how their existence contributed to the great wickedness that led to God's decision to send the Great Flood.
Scott reveals how the limited biblical references to the Nephilim leave room for various interpretations and theories, including insights from the Book of Enoch. The conversation also touches on the implications of the Nephilim in relation to end times prophecy, suggesting that the demonic influence that characterized their era is likely to intensify as we approach the final days.
With a focus on vigilance and spiritual warfare, this episode urges listeners to remain aware of the deceptions present in today's world.
Takeaways:
- The Nephilim are a mysterious part of biblical history, linked to fallen angels and humanity.
- Their existence raises questions about genetic mixing and the impact on God's plan.
- The Great Flood serves as a reset to rid the earth of pervasive evil.
- Modern Christians must remain vigilant against deception, as seen through the Nephilim's influence.
- End times prophecy suggests an increase in demonic presence and influence over humanity.
- Understanding the Nephilim's story can enhance our awareness of spiritual warfare.
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(00:06):
Welcome to Revelation Warning,a weekly podcast hosted by Pastor
Robert Thibodeau as heinterviews prophecy experts from
around the world as we discusscurrent events in relation to Bible
prophecy.
All of this is to give theworld a final Revelation warning.
Now, here is your host withthis week's guest, Pastor Robert
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Thibodeau.
Foreign.
Hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today.
Have you ever wondered aboutthe hidden mysteries in the Bible?
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The ones that make you stopand just question what you thought
you knew?
I mean, here's an example.
Who were the Nephilim?
Were they giants?
Were they fallen angels?
Or something else entirely?
Why did their existence leadto the Great Flood?
Could their story hold cluesabout what's to come in the end times?
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Well, stay tuned because intoday's episode, we're going to dive
deep into one of the Bible'smost fascinating and controversial
topics.
Amen.
Today I'm joined again byScott Wright, author of the God Center
Concepts Journal.
Passionate Bible scholar,Scott has a deep understanding of
scriptures and its mysteries,and he's here to help us unravel
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this enigma of the Nephilimand their role in biblical history
and their connection to Endtimes prophecy.
Amen.
So with all that being said,help me welcome back to the program
our good friend, Scott Wright.
Scott, it's a blessing to talkto you again today, buddy.
Hey, great to be here and lookforward to a fun, fruitful discussion.
Amen.
Well, let's jump right in.
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I mean, who or what were theNephilim and why are they such a
mysterious part of biblical history?
Well, the Nephilim or Nephilimare not mentioned a lot in the Bible,
and that's, that's part of the issue.
So there's not a.
It's really the way that it's written.
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It's assuming the readeralready has a foreknowledge of all
this.
And, you know, when you startdialing it back to our time, we're
far enough away that thestories have faded in, in the stuff
that wasn't written in theaccount of the Bible, however, there
are things out there like theBook of Enoch.
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Even though some Bibles don'tinclude the Book of Enoch of Scripture,
some do.
We.
You can get in thecanonization scripture.
We can talk about that in 50episodes and not cover all that.
But, but here's the bottom line.
These guys, what they reallyare, they are a descendant of the
mix of fallen angels and human beings.
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So obviously at some point intime and period it was possible for
these fallen angels, we callthem demons, were able to mix with
the human race.
And so there was a, a way forthat to happen.
And genetically my guess is,is that something.
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And this is just kind of aninteresting take on it and there's
different theories out there.
I'm just gonna give you what Ithink is.
I think Noah's bloodline wassomehow not able to, to be able to
mix with that.
And that's why God chose him.
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He had obviously set himselfapart by being faithful to God and
something about his bloodline,his DNA would not mix with them,
which is why he chose to save them.
And so he chose to save thatbloodline and then that's how he
would bring about the Messiahis through that bloodline.
It seems to me, and I've, likeI said, I've heard different theories,
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but I think this is a commontheme throughout the Bible in many
ways.
And, and I can hit on someother things this morning.
It, I feel like the Nephilimis, is an attempt by the demonic
to try to thwart God's timingand try to make things happen out
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of timing so it would mess upGod's will to mess up the plan of
the Messiah.
Amen.
It always kind of feels, youknow, look, sometimes, and I've heard
this said, Satan is a greatmoralist and, and always remember
this, he's the perfect moralist.
He likes to align everythingin perfection to God's word except
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for one fact.
He wants to take you away fromGod himself.
Yeah.
You know, he, he masters inthe 98.
2 rule, I'm gonna have 98 truth.
I'm gonna make the picture be perfect.
I'm gonna make all these otherpieces be perfect.
What I'm going to do isslightly try to remove the element
of Christ out of this so I canmake people feel like they're doing
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the right thing but angle themaway from God.
Satan is perfect at that.
That is, he is the master of deception.
The Nephilim is a, is a,another mastery of deception.
It really is.
Remember, the Devil's calledthe father of lies and this is a
byproduct of the devil.
Well, what biblical passagesspecifically reference the Nephilim?
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And how should we interpretthose texts?
Well, that's, that's a great,that's a great question.
So I'm on here right now.
I've been looking at my, myword reading in the Word obviously
and I've been, I've studiedthis before and forgive Me, my computer's
being a little weird this morning.
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But these guys are mentionedin Genesis 6, and if you look at
the first about.
It's about the first sevenverses of chapter six, you're gonna
find them.
Talk about the Nephilim.
The Nephilim were on the earthin those days, starting with verse
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four, and afterwards as well,when the sons of God had relations
with the daughters of men andthey bore them children who became
the mighty men of old, men of renown.
I find that fascinating.
And it's funny, funny thatright after that verse we get verse
five.
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It says, then the Lord sawthat the wickedness of man was great
upon the earth and that everyinclination of the thoughts of his
heart were altogether evil allthe time.
So I kind of wonder.
And if you read the Book ofEnoch, you get a glimpse of this,
that men that did not mix withthe fallen angels, that were not
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Nephilim, were devisingschemes and everything else to fight
these Nephilim or to controlthem, or we're being controlled by
them and influenced by them.
And it's probably all of theabove is the way it seems.
And so it was making.
It was making the situation soevil that God was like, this is not
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going to work.
This does not fit the plan.
And if I let this continue,then bringing about the Messiah is
not going to bring about whatmy desired result is.
Amen.
Well, is there, likehistorical or archaeological evidences
outside the Bible that pointto the existence of the Nephilim?
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So there's a lot of theorieson that.
I have read some of them.
I'm not sure what I buy in.
So I'm really careful statingpublicly what I think on that.
You know, I will tell you, there's.
There's obviously been thingslike Bigfoot, that's, that's, that's
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one.
You know, and there's beenother things like that, where, where
people have made that, madesome of those claims.
They have found some.
There's been skeletons foundof weird sizes and stuff.
And so could that havepossibly been the Nephilim?
Yes, that could have possibly.
Then that's what they were fighting.
And they're calling itsomething else.
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Scientists are.
So are there potential things that.
Yes, I will tell you, the Bookof Enoch covers some of this with
as well.
And if you want to use that ashistorical source, like I said, I'm.
I'm one of those that I allowpeople to make, draw their own conclusions
on that.
But I do believe it's areliable source to use to understanding
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them.
And the fact that men weremaking weapons to fight them would
have been definitely makingthem more and more evil.
I mean, that was, that couldhave very well been.
And it suggests and infersthat that's where the ideas of making
weapons came from.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, what role did theNephilim play in leading to the Great
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Flood and God's decision just,you know, let's just start this thing
all over again.
So because of their great eviland they're mixing with people and
then the fact that men werenot only combating them and becoming
more evil, but also adopting alot of their things and the things
that they were doing that were evil.
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That is why.
Because again, I go right backwhen God's plan is being completely
shunned and completely turned.
A lot of times he has to bringa catastrophic end to something to
restart.
And that's really what this is.
The flood is a restart forhuman beings.
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And it is to rid the earth ofthe, of the different evils that
were occurring.
Just like when the Israeliteswould go in when they crossed the
Jordan and God said, I'm goingto fight, I'm going to go in before
you.
When they were going in totake the land of the land of Canaan,
what they really were doing,it wasn't that God necessarily wanted
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to destroy those peoples, buthe had to destroy their ways.
And the problem is, is theywere so corrupt in their hearts,
were in Ben on evil that hehad to get, he had to remove them
so that he could establish theculture that he wanted, so that they
would actually worship the onetrue God.
And it's the same thing here.
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This is no different.
And so I always say, I thinkthe Nephilim, just like Genesis 11,
the tower of Babel, everythingin God's will is always about not
just what the white, but this time.
And it seems like that theyare trying to throw off God's time
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as much as any.
And that's really what thisis, this comes down to, is that the
earth is not ready to be basically.
Basically human beings aren'tready for this level of things and
this to be able to deal withthis level of evil.
And the reason they're not isbecause Christ has not come.
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You know, as Christians, wehave the power of the Holy Spirit
to deal with these things.
They didn't.
It wasn't there yet.
Right.
And so they weren't ready todeal with that level of evil.
And the Israelites and theirhistory proves that.
Even with having God walkingthem through everything, them not
having The Holy Spirit insidethem to lead them, they would become
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corrupt.
And they were the God's chosen people.
So think about that.
I mean, this timing thing is abig deal.
And I believe that that is theclear message of all of us and with
the Nephilim is that they weremessing up God's timing and people
were not ready for this.
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And obviously these angels,these fallen angels, they were in
heaven with that.
You remember, they had been inheaven with God so they would have
understood the plan.
They would have already knownall this.
You know, they were, they'reeternal beings.
So we've got eternal beingsmixing with flesh and they are fallen.
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So what do they, what is their goal?
It's to mess up everythingabout God that God wants to mess
up his will.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, you know, some peoplebelieve that, you know, the Nephilim
are connected to end times prophecy.
How do you see their storytied into eschatology?
That is a great question.
And here is exactly how I liketo respond to that, is that when
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think of what fallen angelsare doing, they're mixing with human
beings, do you think, in someother way?
In other ways.
Not in the genetic way, bysleeping with them and creating children
and procreating.
But do you think that demonsstill influence people?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Well, guess what, think aboutthe end times.
Isn't that just going tobecome more and more prevalent?
Isn't that going to be done ateven higher levels than what we've
ever seen?
I think if we read the book ofRevelation and we pay attention to
all the different end timeprophecies that are given throughout
the Bible, I think we can, wecan infer that that is true.
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There's going to be a greaterdemonic presence and a greater demonic
influence amongst people.
People are going to buy intoit a lot easier and we're already
seeing that happen right nowand it's just going to get worse.
It's not getting any, it's notgoing to get better.
It's just going to get more.
So Matthew chapter 24, verse37, as it was in the days of Noah.
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I love that passage.
Yeah, it, it really setseverything up.
And you know, some, there's alot of end time prophecy built Into
Matthew, chapter 24.
Jesus speaking, him sayingthat relates everything back to that.
And I think in some ways he'sinferring these demonic presences
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really taking over and the waypeople will behave are going to be
greatly influenced by demons.
So there's, funny, there's afriend of mine that I was Listening.
He was speaking to me one timeand we were, we were just having
a discussion and he said, youknow, I listened to a speaker one
time and I, I wish I couldrecall the guy's name, but he said
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this guy talked about his conversion.
His conversion was that he wasa drug dealer and a pimp, this guy
was.
And he said one night God tookthe spiritual blinders off of him.
And he was literally standingthere looking at crack houses, prostitution
houses in a row.
And he said God took thespiritual wonders and he saw the
demons dragging people intothis place to do the drugs, the prostitution,
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all those things.
He could see the chains onthem, he could see the demons.
And he said for a moment hesaw it all and it scared him and
he saw what was around him andit was very scary to him.
And that's part of, that's abig part of what led to the guys
conversion.
So, you know, if God choosesto do that for a moment, it probably
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would scare all of us if wesaw it.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Amen.
And the Book of Daniel talksabout that if we could see the spirit
world, it would look verydifferent to us.
Yep.
I mean, we're talking about,you know, modern day stuff like this.
You know, could all this betied to what we call UFOs and extraterrestrials
that are.
Is.
That's the big thing today?
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You know, that's a possibility.
Here's the thing.
The Bible says what it says,but there's a lot of things that
it doesn't address one way orthe other.
So could what you're saying be possible?
Absolutely.
It's, it's not out of therealm of possibility.
I mean, think about how bigthe universe is.
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We have.
Our knowledge of the universeis less than.
It's, it's not even a pencildot on a piece of paper.
Yeah.
You know, you take a bigposter board and you put a pencil
dot on.
Our knowledge isn't even equalto that of the universe.
So what other types of lifeare in the universe that God has
created?
I mean, what other type of things?
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Obviously things are always inmotion and moving.
I've seen like, I've even seenpictures of our solar system.
We, we have a visual of oursolar system being this big circle
that just spins and stays inone place.
That's not how it works at all.
It's more like a spiral movingall over the place.
Yeah.
And so yeah, it just, thespiral of that, of all those pieces
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stay within the gravity poolof the sun is all it Is.
Is the sun moves and we movewith it.
Yep.
Yeah.
I've seen someone used thediagram of an atom, the electrons
going around it and all thatstuff as a good example of our solar
system.
Because like I said, everypicture of the solar system looks
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like concentric circles, youknow, around the sun.
And it's more like, you know,all this.
That's why it's so, you know, technical.
But why can't we just, like,shoot straight off to Mars, you know?
Because in order to get therewith our technology, you know, we
got to calculate, well, whereare we going to be at?
Where is Mars going to be at?
You know, and I read.
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I read something once where itsays something along the lines of,
you know, when they get toMars, are they just going to be there
for a couple of days?
Like, you know, they were onthe moon and then come back?
And the person who answeredsaid, no, because they have to wait
until the next realignment isgoing to get ready to take place
between Mars and Earth.
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It's going to take six monthsto get there, and everything has
shifted by the time they get there.
And it's going to take that.
I think I said, like, twoyears to realign again before they
can come back, you know.
Wow.
With.
With the technology we havetoday, I mean, it's.
That's.
That's just weird stuff, man.
That's.
That's way beyond my thoughtprocesses, you.
Know, I mean, that.
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That's why they.
That's why they got thosegenius businesses in there helping
all that out.
I mean, it's.
That's right.
And even they don't perfectly know.
I mean, they don't.
They're.
They're just taking the besteducated guess and the best knowledge
and wisdom that they haveabout this and saying this is what's
most likely would be the best.
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If you want it to work, thisis the best way for it to work.
Yeah.
With the technology we haveavailable today, you know.
Yeah.
And who knows what.
I mean, if they do that, ifthey go to Mars, I mean, not only
getting there, but who knowswhat they're going to encounter.
Getting.
Yeah.
I mean, they can't perfectlypredict that.
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Yeah.
Right.
Amen.
I remember when they landed onthe moon, they're worried that, you
know, the, the crust wouldjust collapse and all this stuff.
They had no clue, you know, hey.
Man, I mean, hey, NeilArmstrong, the giant leap for mankind.
I mean, when he jumps, he'slike, what is it?
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Amen.
Amen.
Yeah.
So, you know, with.
With this Nephilim is Itpossible that they are still here
somewhere, maybe under theearth or anything like that, and
their own little sectionwaiting for the re emergence to happen?
I.
You know what, that's a great question.
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I can't answer that question.
Nobody, I don't think anybodytotally knows.
I would say this is that weknow there's a demonic presence.
I mean, we know there's demonsthat influence people and you can
be, you know, you can beattacked by these things.
And so that part of it isstill in existence and just as it
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was then.
Are they mixing with peopleand are there the Nephilim?
I don't know.
I mean, the Bible doesn't sayone way or the other, does not give
us the clues.
You know, I always say this.
The Bible was written when itwas written.
It was written and presentedto those people based on what their
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understanding is.
God gave them a message basedon their understanding of life and
what they needed at the time.
Yeah, yeah.
There's some mystery to it.
And the Bible's full ofmysteries, not just in this, but
in many things.
But that's partly because, Imean, just like going to Genesis
11, you know, why does Godscatter all.
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Well, they were trying to be.
They were trying to becomelike God.
Yeah.
And trying to get to the pointwhere they could accomplish anything
no matter what.
That's why God scatters.
It wasn't time.
They were, they were trying todo something that they were not supposed
to do until the Messiah came.
Yeah.
You know, every tongue, tribeand nation needed to be brought before
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God.
Who does that?
It's the blood of Jesus.
Yeah.
It could not be done before them.
That's why he had to scatterthe nations.
That's why that was done.
It's because they weren't ready.
The timing hadn't been fulfilled.
Well, what lessons can modernday Christians draw from the account
of the Nephilim and, and theirimpact on humanity and relationship
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with God like you were talking about?
Well, I think exactly what wetalked about before, we need to be
vigilant.
And part of that vigilance isthat we need to be in the word of
God.
And also part of thatvigilance is, is that we need to
be aware of our enemy schemes.
Because one thing the Nephilimcan teach us is that deception comes
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in many forms from the enemyand that we need to always be aware
of schemes so that we're notfalling prey to that.
You know, there's, there's afew, there's a, there's a couple
of extremes to this, there'sone extreme that somebody attributes
every little negative thing intheir life to.
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Demonic presence.
Okay, that's going overboard.
All right, that's, that'sovershooting it the other way.
But then there's also the farextreme that says, ah, that doesn't
exist and the devil doesn'treally exist and all that stuff.
That's, that, that's being,you're going to be deceived.
All right.
That's absolutely nullifyingthe word of God.
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So the presence is, is that wehave to know that they're there and
that we understand how tofight them.
All right?
You know, and I know thatsounds weird, Christians and fighting
and all that stuff.
But, but prayer, we're prayer warriors.
We're not, you know, we're not me.
We're not all meek and hum,just humble in that way, in the way
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that sometimes we think of itis weak.
All right, yeah, being, beinghumble should not be a sign of weakness.
It should be a sign ofstrength that we block the enemy.
And how do we do that?
Through the word of God andthrough prayer, fasting, those are
the ways that you do it.
And you know, and then when weuse the word of God and we're supposed
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to, it's like a double edged sword.
It plays defense and offensefor us.
So these nephilim are a partof that demonic presence that has
been on the earth ever sincehuman beings have been here.
And we just have to understandthat that is part of the devil's
scheme and that his goal is to deceive.
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It's to deceive the nations inwhatever way he can.
He knows no bounds.
And so we have to always beaware of it.
He's, you know, he's an angelof light, Satan, basically.
The devil and demons, youknow, they don't.
I, I hate the picture of themlooking all blood red, ugly and horns.
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That's actually not true.
God made them beautiful.
They were angels in heaven.
He made them beautiful.
They look like angels of light.
If you looked at them, theywould look beautiful.
If you, if you hear them, theyknow how to speak.
They understand how to deceive.
You don't deceive people bydrawing conflict.
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Do it by deceiving, by sayingslick words and you know, and 98
truths.
That's how you do it.
Let me ask you this.
I think that's important forpeople to understand.
Was the story about David andGoliath, was that, was he a nephilim?
You know, I've often wondered that.
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There's Been some, you know,you kind of wonder that.
And I mean, Goliath was huge.
And he wasn't the only guy.
There were.
There had been other.
Yeah, his brothers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You kind of wonder if theyweren't some type of a descendant
of that, if that had happened.
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Is it possible?
Yeah.
I mean, it's not out of therealm of possibility.
I'm not saying it is, but I'mnot saying it isn't either.
So.
Amen.
I think you have to leave thatpossibility open.
Absolutely.
Amen.
Well, Scott, as usual, it'sbeen a super interesting discussion.
If someone has a question foryou or like more information, how
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can they get in touch with you?
So just email me at GCC GodCentered Concept 2038 gmail.com and
I'll be happy to respond andtake it from there.
We can do an interview.
We can talk, we can, you know,whatever needs to happen, happen.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, one more thingbefore we close up.
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You talked a moment ago abouthow some people, they try and, you
know, blame every little thing on.
On the devil and, and all that.
And as you said that my.
This is gonna age me.
Now my thought processes jumpto Flip Wilson, the comedian.
The devil made me buy this dress.
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I had to add out a little bitof humor there.
The devil made me buy her stress.
Yeah, that was his littletagline for his jokes and stuff,
you know.
Sure, some people listen to usright now.
Say what?
That?
Huh?
Go look it up.
I'm sure he's on YouTube somewhere.
You'll see what I'm talking about.
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Amen.
Well, folks, we are all out oftime for today.
I encourage you drop down theshow notes, click the links right
there.
Get in touch with ScottWright, order his journal, God Center
Concept Journal, and be sureto subscribe to his podcast as well.
Praise God.
Scott, thanks for joining usagain, buddy.
I appreciate your time and Ilook forward to the next discussion.
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Hey, I look forward to thenext one as well, my friend.
Amen.
Well, folks, thank you forjoining us as we explore this fascinating
mystery of the Nephilim withScott Wright today.
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Hello, everyone, everywhere.
Pastor Robert Thibodeau here.
Welcome to the RevelationWarning podcast.
We are so blessed that you'rejoining us here today.
Have you ever wondered aboutthe hidden mysteries in the Bible?
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The ones that make you stopand just question what you thought
you knew?
I mean, here's an example.
Who were the Nephilim?
Were they giants?
Were they fallen angels?
Or something else entirely?
Why did their existence leadto the Great Flood?
Could their story hold cluesabout what's to come in the end times?
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Well, stay tuned because intoday's episode, we're going to dive
deep into one of the Bible'smost fascinating and controversial
topics.
Amen.
Today I'm joined again byScott Wright, author of the God Center
Concepts Journal.
Passionate Bible scholar,Scott has a deep understanding of
scriptures and its mysteries,and he's here to help us unravel
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this enigma of the Nephilimand their role in biblical history
and their connection to Endtimes prophecy.
Amen.
So with all that being said,help me welcome back to the program
our good friend, Scott Wright.
Scott, it's a blessing to talkto you again today, buddy.
Hey, great to be here and lookforward to a fun, fruitful discussion.
Amen.
Well, let's jump right in.
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I mean, who or what were theNephilim and why are they such a
mysterious part of biblical history?
Well, the Nephilim or Nephilimare not mentioned a lot in the Bible,
and that's, that's part of the issue.
So there's not a.
It's really the way that it's written.
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It's assuming the readeralready has a foreknowledge of all
this.
And, you know, when you startdialing it back to our time, we're
far enough away that thestories have faded in, in the stuff
that wasn't written in theaccount of the Bible, however, there
are things out there like theBook of Enoch.
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Even though some Bibles don'tinclude the Book of Enoch of Scripture,
some do.
We.
You can get in thecanonization scripture.
We can talk about that in 50episodes and not cover all that.
But, but here's the bottom line.
These guys, what they reallyare, they are a descendant of the
mix of fallen angels and human beings.
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So obviously at some point intime and period it was possible for
these fallen angels, we callthem demons, were able to mix with
the human race.
And so there was a, a way forthat to happen.
And genetically my guess is,is that something.
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And this is just kind of aninteresting take on it and there's
different theories out there.
I'm just gonna give you what Ithink is.
I think Noah's bloodline wassomehow not able to, to be able to
mix with that.
And that's why God chose him.
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He had obviously set himselfapart by being faithful to God and
something about his bloodline,his DNA would not mix with them,
which is why he chose to save them.
And so he chose to save thatbloodline and then that's how he
would bring about the Messiahis through that bloodline.
It seems to me, and I've, likeI said, I've heard different theories,
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but I think this is a commontheme throughout the Bible in many
ways.
And, and I can hit on someother things this morning.
It, I feel like the Nephilimis, is an attempt by the demonic
to try to thwart God's timingand try to make things happen out
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of timing so it would mess upGod's will to mess up the plan of
the Messiah.
Amen.
It always kind of feels, youknow, look, sometimes, and I've heard
this said, Satan is a greatmoralist and, and always remember
this, he's the perfect moralist.
He likes to align everythingin perfection to God's word except
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for one fact.
He wants to take you away fromGod himself.
Yeah.
You know, he, he masters inthe 98.
2 rule, I'm gonna have 98 truth.
I'm gonna make the picture be perfect.
I'm gonna make all these otherpieces be perfect.
What I'm going to do isslightly try to remove the element
of Christ out of this so I canmake people feel like they're doing
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the right thing but angle themaway from God.
Satan is perfect at that.
That is, he is the master of deception.
The Nephilim is a, is a,another mastery of deception.
It really is.
Remember, the Devil's calledthe father of lies and this is a
byproduct of the devil.
Well, what biblical passagesspecifically reference the Nephilim?
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And how should we interpretthose texts?
Well, that's, that's a great,that's a great question.
So I'm on here right now.
I've been looking at my, myword reading in the Word obviously
and I've been, I've studiedthis before and forgive Me, my computer's
being a little weird this morning.
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But these guys are mentionedin Genesis 6, and if you look at
the first about.
It's about the first sevenverses of chapter six, you're gonna
find them.
Talk about the Nephilim.
The Nephilim were on the earthin those days, starting with verse
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four, and afterwards as well,when the sons of God had relations
with the daughters of men andthey bore them children who became
the mighty men of old, men of renown.
I find that fascinating.
And it's funny, funny thatright after that verse we get verse
five.
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It says, then the Lord sawthat the wickedness of man was great
upon the earth and that everyinclination of the thoughts of his
heart were altogether evil allthe time.
So I kind of wonder.
And if you read the Book ofEnoch, you get a glimpse of this,
that men that did not mix withthe fallen angels, that were not
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Nephilim, were devisingschemes and everything else to fight
these Nephilim or to controlthem, or we're being controlled by
them and influenced by them.
And it's probably all of theabove is the way it seems.
And so it was making.
It was making the situation soevil that God was like, this is not
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going to work.
This does not fit the plan.
And if I let this continue,then bringing about the Messiah is
not going to bring about whatmy desired result is.
Amen.
Well, is there, likehistorical or archaeological evidences
outside the Bible that pointto the existence of the Nephilim?
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So there's a lot of theorieson that.
I have read some of them.
I'm not sure what I buy in.
So I'm really careful statingpublicly what I think on that.
You know, I will tell you, there's.
There's obviously been thingslike Bigfoot, that's, that's, that's
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one.
You know, and there's beenother things like that, where, where
people have made that, madesome of those claims.
They have found some.
There's been skeletons foundof weird sizes and stuff.
And so could that havepossibly been the Nephilim?
Yes, that could have possibly.
Then that's what they were fighting.
And they're calling itsomething else.
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Scientists are.
So are there potential things that.
Yes, I will tell you, the Bookof Enoch covers some of this with
as well.
And if you want to use that ashistorical source, like I said, I'm.
I'm one of those that I allowpeople to make, draw their own conclusions
on that.
But I do believe it's areliable source to use to understanding
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them.
And the fact that men weremaking weapons to fight them would
have been definitely makingthem more and more evil.
I mean, that was, that couldhave very well been.
And it suggests and infersthat that's where the ideas of making
weapons came from.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, what role did theNephilim play in leading to the Great
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Flood and God's decision just,you know, let's just start this thing
all over again.
So because of their great eviland they're mixing with people and
then the fact that men werenot only combating them and becoming
more evil, but also adopting alot of their things and the things
that they were doing that were evil.
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That is why.
Because again, I go right backwhen God's plan is being completely
shunned and completely turned.
A lot of times he has to bringa catastrophic end to something to
restart.
And that's really what this is.
The flood is a restart forhuman beings.
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And it is to rid the earth ofthe, of the different evils that
were occurring.
Just like when the Israeliteswould go in when they crossed the
Jordan and God said, I'm goingto fight, I'm going to go in before
you.
When they were going in totake the land of the land of Canaan,
what they really were doing,it wasn't that God necessarily wanted
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to destroy those peoples, buthe had to destroy their ways.
And the problem is, is theywere so corrupt in their hearts,
were in Ben on evil that hehad to get, he had to remove them
so that he could establish theculture that he wanted, so that they
would actually worship the onetrue God.
And it's the same thing here.
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This is no different.
And so I always say, I thinkthe Nephilim, just like Genesis 11,
the tower of Babel, everythingin God's will is always about not
just what the white, but this time.
And it seems like that theyare trying to throw off God's time
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as much as any.
And that's really what thisis, this comes down to, is that the
earth is not ready to be basically.
Basically human beings aren'tready for this level of things and
this to be able to deal withthis level of evil.
And the reason they're not isbecause Christ has not come.
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You know, as Christians, wehave the power of the Holy Spirit
to deal with these things.
They didn't.
It wasn't there yet.
Right.
And so they weren't ready todeal with that level of evil.
And the Israelites and theirhistory proves that.
Even with having God walkingthem through everything, them not
having The Holy Spirit insidethem to lead them, they would become
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corrupt.
And they were the God's chosen people.
So think about that.
I mean, this timing thing is abig deal.
And I believe that that is theclear message of all of us and with
the Nephilim is that they weremessing up God's timing and people
were not ready for this.
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And obviously these angels,these fallen angels, they were in
heaven with that.
You remember, they had been inheaven with God so they would have
understood the plan.
They would have already knownall this.
You know, they were, they'reeternal beings.
So we've got eternal beingsmixing with flesh and they are fallen.
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So what do they, what is their goal?
It's to mess up everythingabout God that God wants to mess
up his will.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, you know, some peoplebelieve that, you know, the Nephilim
are connected to end times prophecy.
How do you see their storytied into eschatology?
That is a great question.
And here is exactly how I liketo respond to that, is that when
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think of what fallen angelsare doing, they're mixing with human
beings, do you think, in someother way?
In other ways.
Not in the genetic way, bysleeping with them and creating children
and procreating.
But do you think that demonsstill influence people?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Well, guess what, think aboutthe end times.
Isn't that just going tobecome more and more prevalent?
Isn't that going to be done ateven higher levels than what we've
ever seen?
I think if we read the book ofRevelation and we pay attention to
all the different end timeprophecies that are given throughout
the Bible, I think we can, wecan infer that that is true.
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There's going to be a greaterdemonic presence and a greater demonic
influence amongst people.
People are going to buy intoit a lot easier and we're already
seeing that happen right nowand it's just going to get worse.
It's not getting any, it's notgoing to get better.
It's just going to get more.
So Matthew chapter 24, verse37, as it was in the days of Noah.
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I love that passage.
Yeah, it, it really setseverything up.
And you know, some, there's alot of end time prophecy built Into
Matthew, chapter 24.
Jesus speaking, him sayingthat relates everything back to that.
And I think in some ways he'sinferring these demonic presences
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really taking over and the waypeople will behave are going to be
greatly influenced by demons.
So there's, funny, there's afriend of mine that I was Listening.
He was speaking to me one timeand we were, we were just having
a discussion and he said, youknow, I listened to a speaker one
time and I, I wish I couldrecall the guy's name, but he said
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this guy talked about his conversion.
His conversion was that he wasa drug dealer and a pimp, this guy
was.
And he said one night God tookthe spiritual blinders off of him.
And he was literally standingthere looking at crack houses, prostitution
houses in a row.
And he said God took thespiritual wonders and he saw the
demons dragging people intothis place to do the drugs, the prostitution,
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all those things.
He could see the chains onthem, he could see the demons.
And he said for a moment hesaw it all and it scared him and
he saw what was around him andit was very scary to him.
And that's part of, that's abig part of what led to the guys
conversion.
So, you know, if God choosesto do that for a moment, it probably
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would scare all of us if wesaw it.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Amen.
And the Book of Daniel talksabout that if we could see the spirit
world, it would look verydifferent to us.
Yep.
I mean, we're talking about,you know, modern day stuff like this.
You know, could all this betied to what we call UFOs and extraterrestrials
that are.
Is.
That's the big thing today?
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You know, that's a possibility.
Here's the thing.
The Bible says what it says,but there's a lot of things that
it doesn't address one way orthe other.
So could what you're saying be possible?
Absolutely.
It's, it's not out of therealm of possibility.
I mean, think about how bigthe universe is.
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We have.
Our knowledge of the universeis less than.
It's, it's not even a pencildot on a piece of paper.
Yeah.
You know, you take a bigposter board and you put a pencil
dot on.
Our knowledge isn't even equalto that of the universe.
So what other types of lifeare in the universe that God has
created?
I mean, what other type of things?
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Obviously things are always inmotion and moving.
I've seen like, I've even seenpictures of our solar system.
We, we have a visual of oursolar system being this big circle
that just spins and stays inone place.
That's not how it works at all.
It's more like a spiral movingall over the place.
Yeah.
And so yeah, it just, thespiral of that, of all those pieces
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stay within the gravity poolof the sun is all it Is.
Is the sun moves and we movewith it.
Yep.
Yeah.
I've seen someone used thediagram of an atom, the electrons
going around it and all thatstuff as a good example of our solar
system.
Because like I said, everypicture of the solar system looks
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like concentric circles, youknow, around the sun.
And it's more like, you know,all this.
That's why it's so, you know, technical.
But why can't we just, like,shoot straight off to Mars, you know?
Because in order to get therewith our technology, you know, we
got to calculate, well, whereare we going to be at?
Where is Mars going to be at?
You know, and I read.
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I read something once where itsays something along the lines of,
you know, when they get toMars, are they just going to be there
for a couple of days?
Like, you know, they were onthe moon and then come back?
And the person who answeredsaid, no, because they have to wait
until the next realignment isgoing to get ready to take place
between Mars and Earth.
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It's going to take six monthsto get there, and everything has
shifted by the time they get there.
And it's going to take that.
I think I said, like, twoyears to realign again before they
can come back, you know.
Wow.
With.
With the technology we havetoday, I mean, it's.
That's.
That's just weird stuff, man.
That's.
That's way beyond my thoughtprocesses, you.
Know, I mean, that.
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That's why they.
That's why they got thosegenius businesses in there helping
all that out.
I mean, it's.
That's right.
And even they don't perfectly know.
I mean, they don't.
They're.
They're just taking the besteducated guess and the best knowledge
and wisdom that they haveabout this and saying this is what's
most likely would be the best.
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If you want it to work, thisis the best way for it to work.
Yeah.
With the technology we haveavailable today, you know.
Yeah.
And who knows what.
I mean, if they do that, ifthey go to Mars, I mean, not only
getting there, but who knowswhat they're going to encounter.
Getting.
Yeah.
I mean, they can't perfectlypredict that.
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Yeah.
Right.
Amen.
I remember when they landed onthe moon, they're worried that, you
know, the, the crust wouldjust collapse and all this stuff.
They had no clue, you know, hey.
Man, I mean, hey, NeilArmstrong, the giant leap for mankind.
I mean, when he jumps, he'slike, what is it?
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Amen.
Amen.
Yeah.
So, you know, with.
With this Nephilim is Itpossible that they are still here
somewhere, maybe under theearth or anything like that, and
their own little sectionwaiting for the re emergence to happen?
I.
You know what, that's a great question.
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I can't answer that question.
Nobody, I don't think anybodytotally knows.
I would say this is that weknow there's a demonic presence.
I mean, we know there's demonsthat influence people and you can
be, you know, you can beattacked by these things.
And so that part of it isstill in existence and just as it
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was then.
Are they mixing with peopleand are there the Nephilim?
I don't know.
I mean, the Bible doesn't sayone way or the other, does not give
us the clues.
You know, I always say this.
The Bible was written when itwas written.
It was written and presentedto those people based on what their
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understanding is.
God gave them a message basedon their understanding of life and
what they needed at the time.
Yeah, yeah.
There's some mystery to it.
And the Bible's full ofmysteries, not just in this, but
in many things.
But that's partly because, Imean, just like going to Genesis
11, you know, why does Godscatter all.
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Well, they were trying to be.
They were trying to becomelike God.
Yeah.
And trying to get to the pointwhere they could accomplish anything
no matter what.
That's why God scatters.
It wasn't time.
They were, they were trying todo something that they were not supposed
to do until the Messiah came.
Yeah.
You know, every tongue, tribeand nation needed to be brought before
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God.
Who does that?
It's the blood of Jesus.
Yeah.
It could not be done before them.
That's why he had to scatterthe nations.
That's why that was done.
It's because they weren't ready.
The timing hadn't been fulfilled.
Well, what lessons can modernday Christians draw from the account
of the Nephilim and, and theirimpact on humanity and relationship
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with God like you were talking about?
Well, I think exactly what wetalked about before, we need to be
vigilant.
And part of that vigilance isthat we need to be in the word of
God.
And also part of thatvigilance is, is that we need to
be aware of our enemy schemes.
Because one thing the Nephilimcan teach us is that deception comes
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in many forms from the enemyand that we need to always be aware
of schemes so that we're notfalling prey to that.
You know, there's, there's afew, there's a, there's a couple
of extremes to this, there'sone extreme that somebody attributes
every little negative thing intheir life to.
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Demonic presence.
Okay, that's going overboard.
All right, that's, that'sovershooting it the other way.
But then there's also the farextreme that says, ah, that doesn't
exist and the devil doesn'treally exist and all that stuff.
That's, that, that's being,you're going to be deceived.
All right.
That's absolutely nullifyingthe word of God.
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So the presence is, is that wehave to know that they're there and
that we understand how tofight them.
All right?
You know, and I know thatsounds weird, Christians and fighting
and all that stuff.
But, but prayer, we're prayer warriors.
We're not, you know, we're not me.
We're not all meek and hum,just humble in that way, in the way
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that sometimes we think of itis weak.
All right, yeah, being, beinghumble should not be a sign of weakness.
It should be a sign ofstrength that we block the enemy.
And how do we do that?
Through the word of God andthrough prayer, fasting, those are
the ways that you do it.
And you know, and then when weuse the word of God and we're supposed
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to, it's like a double edged sword.
It plays defense and offensefor us.
So these nephilim are a partof that demonic presence that has
been on the earth ever sincehuman beings have been here.
And we just have to understandthat that is part of the devil's
scheme and that his goal is to deceive.
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It's to deceive the nations inwhatever way he can.
He knows no bounds.
And so we have to always beaware of it.
He's, you know, he's an angelof light, Satan, basically.
The devil and demons, youknow, they don't.
I, I hate the picture of themlooking all blood red, ugly and horns.
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That's actually not true.
God made them beautiful.
They were angels in heaven.
He made them beautiful.
They look like angels of light.
If you looked at them, theywould look beautiful.
If you, if you hear them, theyknow how to speak.
They understand how to deceive.
You don't deceive people bydrawing conflict.
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Do it by deceiving, by sayingslick words and you know, and 98
truths.
That's how you do it.
Let me ask you this.
I think that's important forpeople to understand.
Was the story about David andGoliath, was that, was he a nephilim?
You know, I've often wondered that.
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There's Been some, you know,you kind of wonder that.
And I mean, Goliath was huge.
And he wasn't the only guy.
There were.
There had been other.
Yeah, his brothers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You kind of wonder if theyweren't some type of a descendant
of that, if that had happened.
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Is it possible?
Yeah.
I mean, it's not out of therealm of possibility.
I'm not saying it is, but I'mnot saying it isn't either.
So.
Amen.
I think you have to leave thatpossibility open.
Absolutely.
Amen.
Well, Scott, as usual, it'sbeen a super interesting discussion.
If someone has a question foryou or like more information, how
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can they get in touch with you?
So just email me at GCC GodCentered Concept 2038 gmail.com and
I'll be happy to respond andtake it from there.
We can do an interview.
We can talk, we can, you know,whatever needs to happen, happen.
Amen.
Amen.
You know, one more thingbefore we close up.
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You talked a moment ago abouthow some people, they try and, you
know, blame every little thing on.
On the devil and, and all that.
And as you said that my.
This is gonna age me.
Now my thought processes jumpto Flip Wilson, the comedian.
The devil made me buy this dress.
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I had to add out a little bitof humor there.
The devil made me buy her stress.
Yeah, that was his littletagline for his jokes and stuff,
you know.
Sure, some people listen to usright now.
Say what?
That?
Huh?
Go look it up.
I'm sure he's on YouTube somewhere.
You'll see what I'm talking about.
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Amen.
Well, folks, we are all out oftime for today.
I encourage you drop down theshow notes, click the links right
there.
Get in touch with ScottWright, order his journal, God Center
Concept Journal, and be sureto subscribe to his podcast as well.
Praise God.
Scott, thanks for joining usagain, buddy.
I appreciate your time and Ilook forward to the next discussion.
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Hey, I look forward to thenext one as well, my friend.
Amen.
Well, folks, thank you forjoining us as we explore this fascinating
mystery of the Nephilim withScott Wright today.
Remember, the Bible holdsincredible truths just waiting, being
discovered and uncovered.
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