November 18, 2025 • 49 mins
Hey Lifers!
Laura’s whole extended friends and family have been taken down by various bugs and we all need to calm the heck down and stop socialising. Keeshia has another neighbourly gripe but also a new hobby and we just know you’re on the edge of your seat for the updates 😂What hobby did you succeed at and then bail on?
Laura and Matt have celebrated their 3rd wedding anniversary by watching the finale of the Golden Bachelor. Laura shares some BTS of how you’re told to react if the Bachelor doesn’t choose you and she wants to celebrate Janette for not acting in the way that you’re ‘supposed’ to. Perhaps being in her ‘golden’ years has made her a lot wiser and have less f*cks to give when it comes to acting in the way that the public expects you to.
Should you fire someone if they were found to be cheating on their partner (as their boss)?
Natalie Dawson, who is a CEO, went on Diary of a CEO podcast and shared her controversial take on firing employees that were having an affair. Whilst it’s probably not legal in Australia, how much should a company’s values extend into the personal lives of employees? Would it change your opinion if it was TWO employees of yours cheating together?
Can You Spot AI In Videos? Are We So Used To Seeing Fake People On The Internet That We Don’t Know What Real Ones Look Like Anymore?
Body confidence content creator @em_clarkson posted a video with 9.6 million views where she is in a bikini on the beach but as the video plays out, certain parts of her body change back and forth between her actual video and the AI version. Her hips move in and out, her skin colour changes and the texture becomes softer, her boobs become bigger and more perky etc.
We speak about how AI has progressed to the point that we can’t spot it and whether we are so used to seeing ‘altered’ people online that we’ve forgotten what real people look like.
We also speak about an article by Mary Madigan titled ‘Baffled by natural breasts’: Men have forgotten what real boobs look like written about Millie Bobby Brown’s natural cleavage on a red carpet promoting Stranger Things.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This episode was recorded on cameragle Land.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi guys, and.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome back to another episode of Life. I'm cut, I'm Laura,
and I'm Keisha, and Britney is not here because, as
you guys know, if you listened to last week's episode,
she's had gastro. So she's taken some time to herself.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hate that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No, everyone gets it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My entire house is full of gastro right now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, So unfortunately, Look, my weekend was a real doozy.
It was thirty one degrees in Sydney and I've spent
it inside on a Sunday with Lola wearing a nappy.
Poor girl, she's the only heir. And Ellie they were
both wearing nappies too. Fer Ellie, I love you. That's
my mother in law. They've all had gastro.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's some really bad situation's going on.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So truly being here with Poppy strapped to me is
a joy. It's just a nice to incubate us, unless
and I going to go down like fly shit. Literally, No,
it's been a real doozy. And also, so we record
this episode on a Monday, right, Oh what we are
this week? Normally on a Monday. I've got this sorded.
(01:13):
Now that I have my really good friend who is
a babysitter, she comes, she takes Poppy, and I'm able
to do like our main episode without a baby strap
to me. And I got a message yesterday and she's like, yeah,
so sorry, my own kid has handfoot in mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I was like, what is happening? What is going on?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Why are we all dropping like flies? So unfortunately poppies here.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But last year around Christmas time, I felt like everyone
dropped like flies. We got gastro Like on Christmas Day,
my entire family were like horizontal for nearly seventy two
hours that some of them went to hospital.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But I felt like around it must be this time
of year.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's when everything's like ramping up and everyone's doing too
many social occasions.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We need all need to isolate again. Okay, bring back COVID.
We need to calm the fuck down. That's what we
need to do. Anyway, you speaking of too many social occasions,
you sound like you had a real doozy of a weekend. Kisha,
I came in this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I'm a little bit hyper aware right now that I'm
not sure whether the story is where I'm complaining about minute.
Things that happened in my household are things that you
want to hear about. Because I made a story about
my bin situation a couple of weeks ago, it was
somewhat not well received.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Can I wasn't here for that episode, so if you
guys missed it, Keisha told a story about a bin
and all I have seen is the one comment on
Spotify where someone said it was the worst story.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They said this, this vin stories beyond boring.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
But however, when I joked about it the following week,
that same person commented and said that they laughed when
their comment got brought up.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So I think we're in. I guess we're like we're
back together.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But basically, one of my neighbors stole my bin, and
I'm pretty sure it was this exact same neighbor last night,
I don't have to I think it was the same ones.
At one o'clock in the morning, so it's a Monday morning,
one am, there were like ten ish, maybe nineteen to
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I would assume the age.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Range men out the front of my house with their
fucking line bikes, and I don't know what they were doing.
They were just being incredibly loud, and the conversation that
comes out of nineteen to twenty two year old men.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Would melt you. It is so boring and it is
so useless, and I'm like, what the fuck are you
talking about? Go to bed. We all have to work
on my row. Get a job.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
This isn't even what I was referring to. What was
it you put in the show notes herb garden?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, oh yeah, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I've also I've also got a herb garden now, which
I'm stoked about. I've had to move on from lawn.
I became a lawn girl. I was really into the lawn.
But I've got two dogs at the moment, I've got
both Bonnie and Delilah.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I don't have much lawn. They're peeing on it a lot,
as they should.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
They're doing the right thing. The lawn is not doing well.
So I've just moved my hyperfixation into a different part
of gardening.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I reckon it has nothing to do with body, and
it has nothing to do with Delilah. You just this
is what happens. You just got over the lawn and
you're onto the next thing. We all remember, maybe by
a ye year ago now, when I went through my
propagation era, and every time I.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Happened to those plants, they were right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I look back on reels from a year ago, and
my house was like a beautiful jungle. They are all dead.
I have one left, and it's the monsterra and it's
hanging on for deer life. It looks like a weed
in the corner. I just got over them. I learned
that I was able to do it, and then I
stopped caring. Then that was iteah, and then now I
just have a graveyard of deadpots all around the house.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I feel like, if you've been able to document the success,
it's ticked off.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Done.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I amn't maintain it.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Why would I want to? Like, why do I need to? Who?
What am I trying to prove to anyone?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I've got a streak on Juolingo. I don't need one
in the garden. That's done anyway. I've got these new
herbs I'm trying to grow ten. I will let you
know in.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Two weeks time if I'm over it yet.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
But I think the herb thing because also I'm a tighter,
So I like the fact that.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I won't have to go to the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You know, when you go and buy herbs and you
spend like three dollars fifty or four dollars whatever the
packet is, and you use like the tiniest amount of
it and then it just wilts away in the fridge.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Can I what was the bin? Per person's name who
commented right, Rache is hanging on the edge of a
sea for that update two weeks time, Rach, you make
sure you're listening to the Wednesday episode. God damn it,
Oh my god. Can I say, though, Keith, You've been
feeling in for me whilst I've been having some half
assed maternity leave, and you have done a fucking amazing job.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You are so I.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Mean, obviously you're in every episode anyway, It's not like
it's not like this is a foreign thing, but you
have done so so well.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I appreciate you saying that, and I think, like, also,
because I come from a broadcasting background, so I know
that whenever the normal person, the reason that you sign
up to a show, whether that be radio or podcasting
is because of the hosts, right, And so whenever one
of them or sometimes multiple are away, there is that
natural feeling of being like I really missed the original
and like sometimes you can just sometimes you can be
(05:50):
a little.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Bit more critical of the person who's feeling in just
because you miss what you know you signed up for.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And so I was kind of expecting a little bit
of just a little bit of heat, like a little.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Bit of spicy, and there's a little bit sas of like,
oh when is lurk?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But everyone's so far has been really lovely and please
don't change that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know and my ego can't take it.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You've done such a good job that now Britta and
I are just alternating taking days off so that we
don't have aw to work roughly again. No, but I
mean it's a funny thing because I think a lot
of people just think that you rock up to a
podcast and just talk shit, which sometimes, to be fair,
sometimes we do. But normally there is a lot of
preparation that goes into these episodes, and you were the
one that does so much that prep and I've listened
(06:30):
to every episode that you guys have done since I've
been on my maternity leave. Not to be confused with
a holiday, and I just think you've been brilliant, So
thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Thank you, but also not to be confused with the holiday.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Who thinks that's a holiday. Who thinks having a newborn's
a holiday?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't know. Sometimes I thought it felt like a
holiday in comparison to the amount of work that I've
got to do normally. But now I'm just doing the
work with a baby strap to me. So I think
that that's why not working with the baby felt like
a bit of time off. I think I have problems.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
We need you to see the You're a bit addicted
to work.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
If you think having a newborn news a holiday from
your usual experiences.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And to be fair, I've just there's been another job
thing that's come up for next year, and Matt and
I have had a big fight about it. So that's
where we're at in life.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I kind of feel like I'll probably be on that site.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's a three year wedding anniversary. Don't add more speaking
about Okay, So it was mine and Matt's three year
wedding anniversary last week. Calculations, thank you like three years
though it's not that long, is it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But I feel like a really different person in that
three year period.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not to make it about myself. It is about you.
It is about your marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
No, because we were like we were putting together on
Instagram post and so like I was going back through
our wedding photos, I saw that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Included the one with the toe.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, the shoe.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, that's iconic, that always has to be included.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it was a toe violation, but it was a
truly like a big part of the wedding because I
do remember for the entire time my toe was hanging
out and I remember feeling it but being like, oh,
the skirt will cover it. Didn't. It's in every photo
just my toe like this, both of them just escaping
my shoes. No, we were sitting on the couch and
we were like putting together on Instagram posts. It was
actually our wedding anniversary last Wednesday. We went out for
(08:08):
a cute dinner and stuff. But we've been so busy
with the kids and with work and everything, my seventeen
thousand jobs, that we didn't post anything until last night
and Matt we're trying to think of caption. He was like,
three years, we've made it this far, and I was like,
I don't think you can write that, because I do
think the expectation is that you make it a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So three years is pretty short in better or worse
sickness and health elation.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But it was like a kind of serendipitous evening because
we were also watching the finale of The Golden Bachelor
at the same time, bringing up the Men's Like, I
think we watched a little bit of the very first
when everyone was coming out, and then we watched the
finale play out. Have you seen any of it at all?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I haven't, and I looked at the thing is is
that I actually was excited for it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I just feel like I got too into the Traders
and I couldn't do two reality TV shows at the
same time that have to wat chats, you know, I
can only commit to one, Okay. But I don't know
if we ever spoke about this on the podcast, because
I edited the episode that Matt and Britt do of
the pickup that goes into life on card On a Saturday,
they interviewed Bear.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, so the main guy, the lead the Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He said some pretty rowdy things about if he had
an additional rose, he would give it to Sam Armitage
and I was listening to it and I was like,
that was such an easy time for you to shut
down the rumors and Instead, you doubled down on the
rumors and added fuel to a.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Vile I was very surprised that didn't get picked up
in media because that was at the time, so for
anyone for contacts. A couple of weeks ago, there were
lots of rumors around Bear the main guy, having a
crush on Sam Armitage, who was the host.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Of the show.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm actually going to clip in what he said, because
I think if I were to just say this, you
would think that I was doing exactly what the media
does and handing it up.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But this is what he said.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Is there any truth at all to the chemistry between
yourself and Sam Hermitage?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
If I had an extra rowse, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I saw it. I saw at Night one. There was
there was chemistry there.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
She's beautiful. She's absolutely beautiful. There.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I imagine if that was the plot twist, It's happened before.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's happened before in the German bachelott Yeah. On the finale,
he gave it to the director.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Shut up. Sorry, that was aggressive.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean really, I'm like, is that true? Anyway? That
is not what I wanted to talk about. But we
took a detour, But no, don't say sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
It should have gone the people out the front of
my house. It should have gotten more airtime.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And I'm glad we played it again. Daily Mail picked
that up. No, what I wanted to say is and
it was a realization that happened last night. And also
off the back of all of the articles that have
been printed today, So news dot Com, Daily Mail, there's
been a lot of articles that have come out around
the woman who came second, Jeanette Janet Jan Jan. We'll
go jan So Jan came second. She is a plantis instructor.
(10:50):
She's sixty one years old. They're in South Africa. It's
very windy. They're about to take off to the moon
because it's so windy, very distracting the wind. And she
gets out of the car and she walks up and
Bear obviously is not choosing her right. Like we all know,
it's a tried and tested formula, the person who gets
out of the car first. So sorry, it's not you heartbroken,
cry blah. But something that I think was quite interesting
(11:12):
about last night's episodes. So, the way in which if
you were number two, the way in which you're supposed
to behave is you're supposed to be devastated. You're supposed
to be gracious and like you're supposed to take the
disappointment with like a true sort of acceptance in grace
and wishing him well in his quest for love. Right,
It's almost like you know what you signed up for,
so you need to be kind and ladylike about the
(11:33):
whole thing. And I remember when I didn't think it
was me, and I thought Matt had chosen Lease and
blah blah blah. The producer told me to accept it
with grace and kindness because the Australian public don't want
to see you be angry. They want to see you
be sad, but they don't want to see you have
a backbone and be like, hey, you know what, that
was fucked up. I'm out of here. So Janet, I
think it's very different when it is someone who is
(11:54):
like a sixty one year old versus a twenty two
year old who's like getting their heart broken. She walks
up Bear.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know, he's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Telling her all these nice things, but ultimately he's saying
he doesn't want to be with her, and she shuts
him down. She didn't do it in a rude way,
she wasn't overly angry as everyone's reporting. She was just like,
you know what, I don't need to hear it. If
you're sorry, stop saying it. We don't need to talk
about this. And then he went to say this one thing.
He went to say, you know, I still really have
(12:22):
feelings for you, or I still really care about you,
something of that extent, and what she had to say
was so iconic. She turned around and she just said
to him, do not disrespect Sonny by saying this, And
what she meant by that is, do not disrespect the
woman that you've chosen by telling me that you have
any feelings for me at this point or that you
care about me in any capacity at this point. And
(12:42):
I think for anyone who's sixty one years old who's
been dragged along for six weeks, been made to feel
like someone has feelings for them, only to be dumped
and humiliated in South Africa, you would suffer so little
bullshit at that age and be like, I'm not putting
off at this No, do you.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Think it's a confidence thing like that you would get
naturally from age where you just do tend to careless
of what people think about you or do you think.
I mean, you've been in the situation, so were you
kind of preparing yourself to be Like, I don't know
if I'm asking this in the right way. What I
mean to say is, were you cognizant of the fact
that if Matt were to dump you at that time,
the public would have an opinion on you, and so
(13:17):
you had to act in a certain way that would
make them not hate you.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, I think that that plays a little bit of
a part. I think you do know that there is
kind of a way in which to behave But at
the same time, I think that the people pleasing goes
out of you. Like I really do think that she's like, actually,
you know what, this is fucked, And it really is
because even though you sign up for it and you
know that there's a possibility that you're going to be
number two and they're not going to fall in love you,
blah blah blah, they do so much on the dates
(13:40):
to make you think it's use so that you will
stay and stick it through to the end, Like he
probably went above and beyond. You know, it's a day
before that he's still making out with both of them,
So like you do feel betrayed. You're like, well, why
did you have to do X y Z If you
knew it wasn't going to be me, And if you
thought it was going to be me up until last night,
then you can't be in love with the other person.
It's the lack of time in between. But I really
(14:02):
did think that there was something quite powerful in her saying,
don't disrespect the other woman that you've chosen by standing
here and telling me all these nice things about the
time that we had together.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Too, But I'm also interested in what you just said about, like,
you can't be in love with someone else if you
have feelings for me. And I don't know if I
agree with that. I feel like you can have feelings
for multiple people at the one time and one be love.
I think that in that situation, it actually would be
very likely that they would have quite strong feelings for
more than one person, but they potentially might see their
(14:33):
life fitting in better with one.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And I also think that you have to play the
game up until a certain point, otherwise there's no TV show. Yeah,
and what I don't think is possible is I don't
think that you can go and meet the family, which
happens just literally the day before and be all like,
I don't know who I'm going to choose. I have
such strong feelings for both, and then wake up the
next day with absolute conviction, Oh it's not number two
(14:57):
and I am in love with number one. Like, I
don't think that happens in a twelve hour period.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I really don't. And I think that that's the production
value of it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I also really liked it in that moment, her saying
that it just implies that there's no animosity between the
women and there's no anger between the women either.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's kind of like, no, she's funneling that all to
him where it belongs exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Which is exactly what we should have done for all
of that twenties.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
But I think that the one thing I got hung
up on, and probably the point I'm trying to make here,
is that we have been conditioned to think that the
person who is broken up with or broken hearted should
be graceful and should be accepting, and should be sad
but not be angry, and shouldn't show any sort of
like harsh or abrasive emotions. But I really liked that
she was like actually, you know what, fuck you. There
(15:42):
was something powerful in being a woman standing there and
not going Okay, I'm so heartbroken. I'm so sad, but
I wish you well. You don't have to wish everyone well.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I hope you're happy in your relationship, but I actually
really hate you for what you did to me. That's it.
Move on with life, all right. Well, speaking about being
potentially in love with two people at the same time,
I have a question for you guys. Do you think
if you were a boss, would you fire someone or
want to fire someone if you found out that they
were having an affair in their personal life. Now, the
(16:13):
reason why we're talking about this is because it's a
pretty controversial take. CEO of Cardon Ventures her name is
Natalie Dawson. She has just gone on to the Diary
of the CEO and this is a take that she
had recently that blew up on social media and they
unpacked it on there. But basically, as a CEO, she's
come out and said this.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
One of the things I've gotten so much criticism of
online was when I publicly shared a TikTok about firing
somebody because I found out that she was cheating on
her significant other. And the other person also had a
significant other, and as soon as I found out about it,
it terminated both of them immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Wait, someone was cheating with someone in the company.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, and they both had partners.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Both had partners outside of the company. As soon as
I caught wind of it, it wasn't even like a
split second decision. I can't have this in my environment,
especially somebody close around me. People trust me and should
trust any leader to help them mate their success easy.
If they're going to cheat on the person they're supposed
to spend the rest of their life with, do you
think that they're cheating on their work? That person is
(17:15):
a liability to the environment. If somebody has a problem
in their personal life, they're the same person that shows
up to work. I can't bifurcate and put in two
separate buckets where somebody is doing at home and think
that what they're doing at home and the confusion and
the distraction isn't going to bleed over into our environment.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Bifurkate. I don't even know what that word means, So
I don't know what articulate. I don't know whether the
right people to be impatting.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It should be firing me because I didn't know what
the words were.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
In Australia, I don't think that you can fire someone
and I think it would come unto unfair dismissal. The
only part of this that I sit with and I'm like,
maybe there is some validity to it is the fact
that the affair was happening between people who work within
the company, and so I don't know if this is
still a thing. It's been a long time since I
worked in an office environment, but I remember when I
worked for a medical company and part of our contracts
(18:01):
was that you couldn't be in a relationship or have
relationships with people from work interesting and that was fifteen
years ago. So I don't know if that's still a thing,
if it's legal to stop someone from having a relationship.
But maybe if that is something that's in their contract,
then that is where the grounds for firing and for
dismissal comes from. But it's an interesting one to think
that someone's personal life is and their way in which
(18:24):
they treat people in their personal life is a clear
and direct indication of how they behave at work.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
When I initially heard this, I was kind of a
bit like, well, that feels like you're involving yourself way
too much in their personal life, Like that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Really doesn't have too much to do with you have
an unhealthy attachment style.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But then when she said.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The thing about like, if they're going to cheat on
the person that they're expected to love the most, like
their significant other, what do you think that means for
your work environment? And that was where I actually kind
of started to flip a little bit. I guess it
just made me question that if someone was able to
have an advair for potentially an extended period of time,
what does that say about their ability to mislead you?
(19:03):
What does that say about their integrity? And it would
be more for me about the fact that if someone's
able to hide that in their work environment from the
people that they work really closely with, it does make
me kind of go, I don't know what else you'd
be capable of doing, and I would have no idea
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sorry, guys, Poppy is not enjoying this conversation. Listen to her.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
She's like, you should have fire in those cheating bastards.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Lag is so hard being a baby. No, I understand
the sentiment of this like I understand twofold one the
integrity that it brings, and also to the distraction if
someone is having an affair with someone from work, even
if someone's starting a relationship with someone at work, you
can guarantee that their focus is therefore not on work,
and it's going to be on all of the energy
that they're putting into this, the flirting, the courtship, the romance.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Like maybe they'll be wanting to be in the office
more so, but like your your.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Work capacity would be so distracted because you'd be thinking
the entire time, like when are they going to walk
into the room? Can I send them another email? Like
the focus is there not on work. So I think
it's a twofold conversation. But do I think that an
employer should be able to hold up what is like
the moral compass for their employees. I think what people
do in their personal life isn't something that an employer
is able to or should be able to impact their
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own belief systems over. The reason why it's an interesting
one and it's a gray area is because it is
completely dependent on the job and also on whether there
is a requirement for leadership or a requirement for morality
to come into what you do as an occupation. If
you're a politician, I mean, we all saw what happened
with Barnaby Joyce, Like that is a.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Bonking be trouth.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, like that's so people.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Called him, Yeah his nickname because that's really red.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Do you remember when he had some pad at all
and ended up in a garden?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I hate that that made him more likable. I hate
that made it more likable.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
No, but this this is what I'm mean, right, Like,
there's definitely different occupations where it matters. More like if
you're a politician and you're cheating on your wife, I
think it signifies a character and a personality character in
that whereas like if your job you're showing up, you're
doing a night shift, your personal life has absolutely no
impact on your ability to do that job. Maybe you
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work on a mind sit for example, like I would
say they're gray, is far greater in those circumstances, and
that there is far more allowance if you're working in broadcast.
In broadcast, whether it's on radio or in podcasting, like
you're a trusted voice, you're a trust less your some people,
but you're meant.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
To be a trusted voice right now are some jobs
that have more morality attached to them, Teachers, police officers, doctors,
like there are certain jobs that, whether it's right or wrong,
we do attach a higher sense of morality to the
occupation than a bartender, than a musician, than a podcast which, well,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I think that kind of come into it as well.
But I think that they're the instances where I would
understand why someone would take the extreme of if this
is happening in your personal life, then I don't want
you in the work environment. But I don't think it
can be a blanket statement for all, And I understand
why some people would say, yeah, I would never want
them in my company, and why other people would say, well,
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if it doesn't impact the work, if they're leaving their
shit at the door and they're coming in and doing
a good job, then I'm not going to I'm not
going to get down in the trenches of their personal life.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, it definitely makes sense, and it's kind of I
guess more of a modern conversation is that I think
a lot of our jobs have become a part of
our identity more than what they would have been a
couple of generations ago. It does actually make me question, like, obviously,
if you are found out to be a cheater, that
is going to erode your own personal reputation, But how
much could that impact your workplace?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like, for example, I'm going to use myself as an example.
If you found out.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That I was having an affair and I was cheating
on my partner, that really could affect the integrity of
your business being life un cut, Like, we talk about
cheating all the time, and people would have a really
strong opinion on me if they found out that I
was cheating on my partner. So in that type of dynamic,
if the person is quite front facing in the company,
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I actually can understand it more why you'd be like, No,
I want to protect the integrity of my company and
the brand that I have, and I want people to
think that they can trust us. And if you're doing
the wrong thing in your personal life and that could
damage the reputation of my business, I don't want you here.
I would actually understand it.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I also question, like, is all cheating built the same? Like,
is all cheating all affairs? Doesn't matter what the circumstances are,
doesn't matter how it's transpired. I think that if we're
brushing everything with the same stroke of like, all cheating
is bad, you've done it, therefore you should be fired.
I just think that it simplifies a very very complex issue.
And I also don't think that bosses should have that
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ability to control what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I agree very much when it comes to cheating with that,
But if part of me actually does think that, there
would be a set of moral things that I object to.
We all view things that are either illegal or immoral
on a different set of scales, you know, Like I
have a much harsher judgment of someone who would be
violent to their partner than if they were to take
drugs on the weekend. That's my own personal set of values.
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If I were a boss and I found out that
one of my employees was drink driving, that one of
my employees was beating their partner at home, a pardon
me would be like, I don't want you in a
part of my business because you are going to rot
the inside of my company from the court out, and
so like, there is this kind of seesaw that I'm
(24:33):
on where I'm like, it depends on what the moral
judgment is for even though you're not really allowed to
fire people for that either in Australia.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was
a really interesting conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'm not exactly sure where on the scale I sit,
and I think it changes depending on what immoral thing
the person has done.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, let's put it to you, guys, the brains trust.
Let's do a poll on this, because if you were
a boss, put yourself in a situation. If you were
a boss and you found out that two of your
employees were having an affair, would you fire them if
you could, hypothetically purely because they lack integrity? Would you
fire them? Would you turn a blind eye and want
nothing to do with it? Yeah? Like, what would be
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your outcome to this?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Something I want to ask you is whether we are
getting so used to seeing fake people online that were
actually unable to spot or recognize what real people look
like anymore. And the reason that this is so at
the front of my mind at the moment is because
last week I saw a particular video go on Instagram.
I think it was probably the third or fourth time
that it came up on my screen that I actually
(25:39):
clicked on it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And listened to it. You know how you kind of
like watch the first few seconds, and this so viral.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I guess I'll okay, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Like, why do I keep on seeing this video?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Because at first it just looked like this hot girl
standing on the beach talking to the camera, and I
was like, well, we see a couple of thousand of
those a day. I'm not particularly interested. So the video
turned out to be by m clarkson. She's a body
confidence content creator. She's also a podcast star, and this
video has now been viewed nine point six million times,
so it's gone mega megaviral.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
She's got four hundred and seventy two thousand followers.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
And the caption of the video said, I'll stop banging
on about this when we can collectively stop having our
self confidence in our self worth destroyed by the time
we are spending online.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Now this is what the video said. Okay, so here I.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Am on the beach right now, except I'm not really
wearing makeup, and my waist is not really that small,
my boobs aren't really that big, my hips aren't read
the shape, and I don't actually have a sometime. Yeah,
but because it's the Internet, I am able to show
up as a version of myself that is completely fabricated,
which in turn may leave you comparing yourself to a
(26:42):
version of me that does not even exist. So yeah,
after all about the thing that I had to show
you as a completely normal human body that is all
too easy to manipulate on the internet.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
If you're watching this on YouTube, then you will have seen.
I mean you've probably or potentially seen this video anyway,
it has actually gotten that viral online. But if you
haven't seen it, So the way it starts off is
she's standing on the beach just hot as hot, this
chick standing on the beach in a bikini with hair
looking beautiful, waist snatched makeup on, looking great, also beautifully tanned.
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And then as she's flicking through and saying like, my
boobs aren't actually this big and I don't actually have
makeup on, it's flicking between the AI version of her
and what she actually looks like, and it's taking away,
you know, each element at a time. So first the
makeup goes, then the boobs go, then the hips go,
then the waist goes, then the tan goes, and what
she actually looks like is there. This is not a
(27:34):
hot take. We've seen lots of face tune over the years.
We've seen like how people manipulate images, like this is
nothing new. What is new though? And what I think
I was like, Oh my god, is how fucking convincing
the AI is. And that's what I think is really
scary is AI is getting so good. It is so seamless.
I think for so long we've all been very familiar
(27:56):
with how easy it is to doctor photos, but now
that has really bled over into how easy it is
to manipulate videos. And I think that that's what this highlights.
It just shows you that everything you're seeing there is
no way of knowing now what's real or not real.
How many times have you okay, and I'm guilty of
this sending a video and someone being like, oh that's
AI and you feel like such a boomer because you're
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like what but I didn't what.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Do you mean it?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And they are real? Okay, guys, I have one for you.
There's this cat video.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Laura was playing this on repeat this morning, being like,
the fuck it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I am going to put this on socials because I
was like laying in bed at eleven thirty at night
on a doom scroll. Matt was downstairs, still working, and
I sent it to him because I think it's the
fucking funniest video I've ever seen in my life. I
know we're getting off piece, but let me tell you anyway.
And I sent it to him and I was like,
watch this, haha, so funny, and he's like, that's Ai.
You know that, right, and you know that feeling when
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you feel so dumb because you shell down, Yeah, you
fell for it. I was like, no, I obviously didn't
know that. The cat just hit the ceilings. Okay, fucking
laugh laugh, God damn it. Wait, I'll just play the
audio because everyone needs to.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Hear them makes the.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Wait for it. Okay, I'm glad we all experienced that together.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm so glad we did too.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's had millions of views as well on They're all mine. Okay, continue.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It turns out, isn't it, like you just said, you
feel like a boomer right? It turns out this is
across the board. The ABC published a report just two
weeks ago, and the report was titled Teenagers struggle to
tell if videos are real or fake as AI flood
social media. Now, they had a video gop of this,
and it had all these teenagers. They were in their
school uniform and they were played a video and they
were asked to determine whether it was AI or whether
it was real. And all of these teenagers are like,
(29:38):
I think that one's AI. This is why, and they
would be like, no, that's actually real. And then they
would say the same thing for the opposite of like,
you know, I think that that one is real, and
you know, everything about it looked so convincing and so realistic,
the timing was right, and they were like, that one's
actually completely fabricated, completely not even manipulated. It's made up,
Like it's just a fake version of reality.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's also why I think it's interesting now because like
I think younger people think that they have really good
self awareness when it comes to what's happening online. I think,
like because like there is a bit of a stereotype
that if you're younger, you're going to be more tech savvy,
you're going to be more social media savvy, and you'll
be able to see through a lot of what has
been created because there's telltale signs. The problem is is
(30:18):
that now AI has gotten so good that those telltale
signs are no longer visible, and they're not visible to
any age demographic, right, And so I think, you know,
for so long we've been having this conversation around like
how inauthentic online is, how it contributes to comparison culture,
how it really distorts people's self perception, but also like
(30:38):
now we're entering this whole new age of it where
what is fake is completely undetectable, and it's like now
we're almost expected that everyone online shows up in the
most perfect version of themselves because if you're not perfect
or you can just change it anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And there's something about that that actually makes me feel
really depressed. I know a lot of this is probably
the very large majority, but I've realized that with my
inability to spot what is real and what is not,
it's actually taken away from the joy I used to
get from seeing.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Things that I found really impressive.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Like if I would see a video and I'd be like,
oh my gosh, that's so amazing. Look at what this
person did, or look at what they made, or you know,
and now I just have this sheath of well, is
it real or not? You know, it's like this awful
feeling of being like, tell me if it's real or not,
because I don't think it's real because everything that I
see now is not real and it's this real, negative,
like aggressive feeling that I now have.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I question whether we're going to engage with social media
in the same way in the future, Like, and I mean, obviously,
there's multiple reasons why people use it. It's very entertaining,
it's very easy to doom scroll. We also use it
to stay up to date with what our friends and
family are doing. Like there's different pillars of why we're
connected with social media. But I do wonder if we're
only looking at it for like an entertainment perspective and
(31:52):
for like looking at you know, celebrity culture or people
on the internet that we don't know, like for that
sort of connection. I wonder if in five or six
years time we will use it in the same way.
Will we use it with the lens that none of
it's real and it's purely just entertainment, in the same
way that when we look at a movie we go, oh, well,
that's it's not real, like we're watching a movie, or
will we look at it with the lens of projection
(32:12):
thinking I want to look like that or I want
to have those things because I think for so long
the lines have been very blurred because they've been so close.
People have like definitely cinched their waist a little bit,
or they've smoothed over their skin a little bit. But
the changes are subtle, which make them feel attainable. And
that's where I think it's a really problematic gray area. Now,
as you can see from that video, the changes are
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immense and they don't have to be subtle, and they
can be completely made up. So will it change the
way that we view social media? Will we start watching it,
like I said, like it's something that's purely for entertainment's sake,
or are we going to continue to have this like
eroded self image and eroded mental health? A teenager is
just going to grow up in this space where it's
going to be completely destructive, or will they grow up
(32:56):
thinking I don't believe anything that's on the Internet.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, and I think that that's probably already happening.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, there was this other article, and I know
that this might feel like a little bit of a
side tangent, but stay with me. I read this other
article that was written by Mary Madigan, and it was
in news dot com and it was titled baffled by
natural breasts, Men have forgotten what real boobs look like.
A viral reaction to some red carpet photos of a
young A list actress have exposed a concerning issue that
proves women really can't win. So this was a photo
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of Milli Bobby Brown, who is twenty one years old.
She was at a red carpet for Stranger Things, you know,
how the new seasons come out. She had this black
plunging dress that came down to kind of like probably
about the bottom rib, and she just had I would
I'm sorry to even assume this, it feels gross. I
would say that she has very normal, probably b cup
(33:44):
twenty one year old boobs.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
They look bloody fantastic.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
She has great but she has fantastic natural boobs, and
they're in a dress and they sit like normal.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I would say, actually quite perky. Mine definitely weren't that
perky when I was twenty one.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
They sit like normal, beautiful twenty one year old boobs
in a beautiful black dress. So some of the comments,
as you would like eye roll expect, that went up
on X. They read things like that her breasts were
extremely saggy, that she looked ten years older than her age,
and someone declared her to be the anti Sydney Sweeney.
So Mary's article went on to say this particular paragraph,
I thought it was really great. She said, men aren't
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just being cruel, they are genuinely baffled by natural breasts.
If I had just stumbled across the thread of men
claiming that Millie Bowie Brown isn't attractive or that she
is overrated, I would just find it ridiculous. But it
certainly isn't new, interesting or worth dissecting. However, discovering that
men are now being critical just because a woman has
natural breasts and are acting like there must be something
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wrong with her has thoroughly alarmed me.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't agree that men are not familiar with natural
breaths only because I mean, they have mothers and sisters,
probably no girlfriend because they are losers, but they have
seen natural breass. I think we are not familiar with
seeing elite as in like celebrities, the upper eschel. We
don't see that in media because it is so common
now that if you are a celebrity that you have enhancements.
(35:06):
So I think that there is a huge comparison that
these people are making online. But there's this mentality of like, well,
if you don't have perfection, you should fix it because
you can fix it. And you're a celebrity, so why
don't you look perfect? And my expectation of you is
that you look perfect because everyone else does. Like that
is what I think and where it comes from. But
it's this expectation that everyone who is in all public facing,
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who is a celebrity, should fix the things that someone
else deems is not perfect. Is the ridiculous ideation of
this whole thing. And also, like we aren't familiar with
seeing natural breasts because most people have had plastic surgery
who are working in Hollywood. That is just what's become
the norm. Unfortunate as it.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Turns out, also people who are on Instagram and maybe
maybe they haven't even had plastic surgery. Maybe they're using
AI to make it look as though they have. And
this was a real it was a real moment where
I kind of sat back because I've always been really,
really busty, and I think the largest my boobs ever
got was like a double G and they fluctuate a
lot because my weight tends to fluctuate a lot. I've
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got peacos, I lose and put on weight like a
yo yo. Because of that, I have a real insecurity
about the fact that my boobs look like I've breastfed,
but I haven't. I don't like how the skin sits.
And something I've really been thinking about lately is whether
I might want to get an augmentation. And a part
of me has been like, do I do it before
I have children? Do I just wait until afterwards? Like
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what are they gonna look like? I have this fear
of what are they going to look like if I
do breastfeed? You know, that would be horrendous. And I'm
starting to question whether the reason I am thinking about
this more and more is not actually because my boobs
look any different to what they did a year or
two ago. It might be because I'm only seeing a
certain version of boobs online and I just haven't had
a reality check because every single thing that I'm seeing
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is filtered.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I know that the obvious answer to this would be
like we all just need.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
To be accepting of our bodies and blah blah blah,
and like, yeah, that would be great, but genuinely, hand
on my heart I became alarmed this weekend by realizing
just how much this type of thing had infiltrated myself.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I thought that I was so aware of what was
going on in the.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Media, not necessarily about sporting an AI video or not,
but it turns out I can't do that either. More
about like, how much does this impact my own version
of myself?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And I think I'm realizing it impacts it more than
I had realized.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I don't think you're alone there, Cash. I feel as
though you would have to be a pretty like you'd
have to be pretty aliightened, but it would have had
to have touched you in some way for you to
have never ever considered cosmetic enhancements at all. And I
don't want to put everyone on the same bucket. I'm
sure there's people who are listening to this who have
never even remotely thought about it ever, It's so far
from their brain. But I would say for the great
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majority of women, you have at least thought once or twice. God,
you know, I could get a nose job, bro, I
could get my boobs done. You're never going to necessarily
do it, but you've had those thoughts.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And also, no shame on anyone who has chosen to.
Of course, this is such not an end visual thing.
It's like a society thing.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
But like, I have had those thoughts, and like I
have them constantly, especially now that I'm on my third
bout of breastfeeding. You know, I would say the most
recently when we interviewed Indy Clinton and she was talking
about how she'd recently had a breast done, which is
not I mean, she's confirmed it. This is not. I'm
not giving you a sky laugh ever about it. I'm
not adding it. But I was like, we're having this conversation.
(38:24):
I remember looking at her and I was like, oh,
maybe I should get my boobs done because I want
to have boobs that look like that. That would be nice,
wouldn't it. Like it's so easy to self compare. It's
so easy to think like, well, I mean I'm here
and you're there, and you got there by doing this,
and maybe I could do that as well, and it
would be an easy fix. I do think that probably
the more alarming thing is now we don't know. You
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cannot tell what is real and what isn't real. On
the Internet. You have to just go in being so
fucking jaded that nothing is real, and that everything could
be ai, it could be enhanced, whether it's a cat video,
whether it's a pair of boobs, Like, let's just all
assume that it's all fake and we'll probably all have
a lot better mental health off the back of it.
I guess my big thing is where do you go
from here? Because it's not going to go away. It
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is the future, and it's not even the future, it
is the reality now. And I think we talk a
lot about how it affects us as viewers, like how
does it affect us when you can't tell the difference?
But I think it's also worth thinking about, like how
does it affect the person who's putting out those images
of themselves? Like that person who is always doctoring their
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boobs or their skin or their waiste, and they're not
able to post a photo online without changing the way
they look slightly tweaking something about themselves because either they're
so deeply insecure, or they've created a version of themselves
that isn't real that they have to upkeep, or they're
fearful that people the criticism.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, people will come and tell them they've got snaggy boobs.
Is a twenty one year old and that they're the
anti Sydney Sweeney, Like, there is.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
An element where I'm like, are they doing it to
try and protect themselves? But it perpetuates the issue because
then it creates more fakes stuff online that isn't real,
that more people feel the need to and the.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Pressure to upcate.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
It is time for second sweet.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Okay, I'm going to go first because it really has
been a doozy. So last week, guys, my sweet for
the week was that Ellie was on the road to recovery.
Had a really really hard time Like the last eight
weeks with Ellie is Matt's mum. If you're super new
to the podcast, she lives with us. We've been having
really hard time with her being sick.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I went home on Monday after the record and I
could not have jinxed it more because that afternoon I
had to call an ambulance and the paramedics arrived and
Ellie was then back in hospital for another three and
a half days. So she has I think I mentioned it,
but she has this thing called se diff which is
a type of infection. But it took us a really
(40:48):
long time to get that diagnosis and it's been on
and off now for eight weeks, like literally Poppy's entire life.
So she's back home again, but she's definitely not one
hundred percent. So I just I was really excited because
I thought she was better, and I really I really
blewm alone too early on that one. And then I
think the other part of this, it's like getting me
(41:09):
quite anxious, is with Lola having this gastro there is
a potential that she's caught the seedff it's a gastro
intestinal thing, so she needs to go to the doctors
today to get tested. It's really it has just been
a doozy of a time in our household. Really, it's
been a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, and also so scary.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
It was really really awful. I think my sweet for
the week is truly and I know I've mentioned a
little bit, but like this postpartum period has been so
much better than what I expect it to be. Like
I said, I'm on holidays, guys, it's been really healing
that I've been able to do and be in the
way that I have. And I mean that in terms
of like I really was going to take it easy
(41:47):
and going back to work. Going back to work has
not been a struggle. She has been like such a
joy to have and I mean she's slept through ninety
percent of this episode. She's waking up now. So the
joys for me, but also like from a work perspective,
especially with Tony May, we have been kicking some huge
goals this year.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Black Friday's coming out.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, we have Black Friday. It's an explosive everyone black.
We're not one of those brands. I go on Black
Friday at the beginning of the month. How Black Friday
comes next week, But there's so much that goes into
gearing up for that, and yeah, I felt really like
this is our year, and especially in the last week
it's been like everything else at home with sickness and
whatnot going on, that has felt like a real saving grace.
(42:23):
So yes, Tony May, everybody, it's been great.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And I have been thinking about earlier a lot, and
I'm really hoping that things improve a lot for her.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
My suck.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
It feels very frivolous in comparison, But I got done
by a Black Friday sale that went particularly early, and
I decided most of my furniture in the house is
like hand me down some Britain law and I'm not exaggerating,
I like quite literally mean the large majority of furniture
in my house was once yours.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
But I decided that we needed we can't see your coverack,
like literally though take at all. I decided that we
needed a big mirror, and I was thinking that I
was going to put it. As you walk in the
front door, there's like a big corridor and a hall.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I've heard that this is bad functuy. I don't care.
I'm not really aware of that type of thing. But
I wanted a big mirror for that area of the house.
So I bought one on Black Friday sales, got a
really good price, excellent. Had to go and pick it
up from this warehouse in Sydney. Now, just by coincidence,
my partner has been working away a lot, but he
was back this weekend and I was like, we've got
to go pick up this mirror. We just decided to
take his car because mine has all of the dogs
(43:25):
stuff in it, which was really fortunate because as we
were driving there, he was like, you've measured this right,
like it's all going to be fine, and I was
I was like, it'll be so fine, like it'll fit
so easy in the back. He's got like a wagon
kind of vibe.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I also feel like there's two types of people. There's
people who measure things and then there's other people who
would just who just get around life with the sheep
vibe it now, the sheer confidence that everything will fit
in their car. Like I'm that person.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I used to have a Hyundai Gets and I was
always like, it'll fit.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And to be prizing it always did.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
It always fit.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Well. We got to the place and I had not
accounted for the fact. First I hadn't measured it anyway,
but secondly I had an accounted for the fact it
would be in a box with paddings. So there was
I fee no way in hell it was fitting in
the car. Luckily, his car has roof racks and he
had all the straps, so I was like, oh, what
a nice serendipitous coincidence. Anyway, we get home and we
(44:16):
unpacked the mirror, and I was just so excited because
I was like, oh, you know, it was pretty. It
was four hundred dollars, and I was like, it's nice
to have nice, you know, bits of furniture.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I'm atting to the house. Anyway, it turns out it
is way too big for the wall. It doesn't fit anywhere.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's also probably non refundable because you bought it in
a Black Friday sale.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I think it's non refundable because I've like ripped the
packaging just shreds with the straps that we had to put.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
On coming on the roof.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Above the bed.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
But I was like.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Shit, and Eternity looked at me, and it was it
was a moment where I was like, oh, you're actually
a bit disgusted in me, Like you're judging me for
this anyway. So that was a big I don't have
to hok that on Facebook marketplace, but that was my
suck my sweet, And this kind of relates to a
sweet I had a couple of weeks ago, and I'm
sorry to almost double up, but like work has been
fucking amazing for us in the last couple of weeks
(45:04):
to months, Like we have really been.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Able to kick some huge goals.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I mean especially in terms of like we've had a
couple of people that we did interviews with that are
really can you guys stop interviewing all of the fucking
big names Whilst I'm trying to have a.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Material it's like, was this done on purpose?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I actually thought about it, and I was like, people
might think that I've done this very selfish.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Man leave, so we're gonna get the biggest guess we've
ever had, Laura, I don't even measure my walls.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I don't just happens.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
I am.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I am so stoked. I am so yeah. I'm genuinely,
so fucking proud of everything that's been Like work in
general across the board has been absolutely slaying well.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
And I don't want this what I'm about to say
to detract from that, because that very much still exists
and I'm still.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Really proud of that and I feel really a lot
of joy from it.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
But I had this moment on the weekend where we
took the dogs, I'd say, the girl, you know, Bonnie
and Delilah to this new beach they'd never been to,
and we were there for like an hour and a half,
and I just had this flush over emotion of like
this is what you work for, Like this is actually
why you work so hard so that you can come
and have a lifestyle like this.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
And it was a really beautiful feeling.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And I don't know that I don't know what the
words are, but it felt so lovely to be like,
while all of these things that are amazing and like,
don't get me wrong, I have fucking great things happening
in my life.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I'm incredibly privileged and very very lucky.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
We're going to concerts, We're going to these amazing things,
We're interviewing spice girls, like, all of that is amazing.
But this small thing of taking the dogs to the
beach with my partner and just having the best time
actually means more.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Of course it does. But don't you think, and maybe
this is too philosophical for the fact that we're trying
to wrap the episode, don't you think that you're only
able to have those moments when the other things are
in place, because otherwise you would be there being stressed,
like this is hard or we don't have you know,
Like I think for me, when everything is humming, that's
(47:05):
when I'm able to have those moments of being like,
I'm really fucking grateful for how great my life is
in terms of like, I love being with my family,
I love being you know, at the beach and feeling
like an unbothered queen because I am an unbothered queen
because all of the other cylinders are functioning in a
way that they should be, whereas like, if works really stressful,
(47:26):
it's really all like just say, you just be made redundant.
It's really hard to then go into the weekend and
be like, God, I just live for these moments with
my dogs, Like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Because it's true, and I have been made redundant, Like you've.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Just being broken up with You're not going to be
like God, these are the moments. It's when you have
those moments where you're like, I'm really grateful for this
to exist.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I don't know if it's stress, because I do, like
we have got a lot on our plate at the moment.
I mean, the end of the year is busy for
absolute every different kinds of stress.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, if you've got really big.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Things going on, it's hard to you know, if you've
got a sick mother in law, it's really hard to
revel in the joy of seeing your dogs splash through water,
do you know what I mean? Like, I know that
it's allerspective, but the realization that I needed that these
really big, amazing things that people would deem to be
these markers of success, are not what makes me feel
the happiest.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
They make me feel proud.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Oh one, they don't make me feel the happiest, And
I think that was a really nice distinction and a
really nice feeling.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
So we also put up the Christmas tree because he's
gotten back away from work.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Hi, Well, firstly, it's very early to put up a
Christmas tree that I'm completely here for it, and I
totally second that, Like, I mean, you know, for all
of the amazing work stuff that happens, the best times
is like being at the beach with the kids. Unfortunately,
that is not my sweet because they all have gastrop
so that's just not my sweet at the moment.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Anyway, So we need to go for lorities to go
to a bathroom.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I also Poppies awake and she's just like now being
a pest, so like, well, she's not, she's actually being beautiful.
But it's very hard to record with a baby on you.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi guys, and.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome back to another episode of Life. I'm cut, I'm Laura,
and I'm Keisha, and Britney is not here because, as
you guys know, if you listened to last week's episode,
she's had gastro. So she's taken some time to herself.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hate that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
No, everyone gets it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My entire house is full of gastro right now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, So unfortunately, Look, my weekend was a real doozy.
It was thirty one degrees in Sydney and I've spent
it inside on a Sunday with Lola wearing a nappy.
Poor girl, she's the only heir. And Ellie they were
both wearing nappies too. Fer Ellie, I love you. That's
my mother in law. They've all had gastro.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's some really bad situation's going on.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So truly being here with Poppy strapped to me is
a joy. It's just a nice to incubate us, unless
and I going to go down like fly shit. Literally, No,
it's been a real doozy. And also, so we record
this episode on a Monday, right, Oh what we are
this week? Normally on a Monday. I've got this sorded.
(01:13):
Now that I have my really good friend who is
a babysitter, she comes, she takes Poppy, and I'm able
to do like our main episode without a baby strap
to me. And I got a message yesterday and she's like, yeah,
so sorry, my own kid has handfoot in mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I was like, what is happening? What is going on?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Why are we all dropping like flies? So unfortunately poppies here.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But last year around Christmas time, I felt like everyone
dropped like flies. We got gastro Like on Christmas Day,
my entire family were like horizontal for nearly seventy two
hours that some of them went to hospital.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But I felt like around it must be this time
of year.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's when everything's like ramping up and everyone's doing too
many social occasions.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We need all need to isolate again. Okay, bring back COVID.
We need to calm the fuck down. That's what we
need to do. Anyway, you speaking of too many social occasions,
you sound like you had a real doozy of a weekend. Kisha,
I came in this morning.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I'm a little bit hyper aware right now that I'm
not sure whether the story is where I'm complaining about minute.
Things that happened in my household are things that you
want to hear about. Because I made a story about
my bin situation a couple of weeks ago, it was
somewhat not well received.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Can I wasn't here for that episode, so if you
guys missed it, Keisha told a story about a bin
and all I have seen is the one comment on
Spotify where someone said it was the worst story.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They said this, this vin stories beyond boring.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
But however, when I joked about it the following week,
that same person commented and said that they laughed when
their comment got brought up.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So I think we're in. I guess we're like we're
back together.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But basically, one of my neighbors stole my bin, and
I'm pretty sure it was this exact same neighbor last night,
I don't have to I think it was the same ones.
At one o'clock in the morning, so it's a Monday morning,
one am, there were like ten ish, maybe nineteen to
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I would assume the age.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Range men out the front of my house with their
fucking line bikes, and I don't know what they were doing.
They were just being incredibly loud, and the conversation that
comes out of nineteen to twenty two year old men.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Would melt you. It is so boring and it is
so useless, and I'm like, what the fuck are you
talking about? Go to bed. We all have to work
on my row. Get a job.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
This isn't even what I was referring to. What was
it you put in the show notes herb garden?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, oh yeah, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I've also I've also got a herb garden now, which
I'm stoked about. I've had to move on from lawn.
I became a lawn girl. I was really into the lawn.
But I've got two dogs at the moment, I've got
both Bonnie and Delilah.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I don't have much lawn. They're peeing on it a lot,
as they should.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
They're doing the right thing. The lawn is not doing well.
So I've just moved my hyperfixation into a different part
of gardening.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I reckon it has nothing to do with body, and
it has nothing to do with Delilah. You just this
is what happens. You just got over the lawn and
you're onto the next thing. We all remember, maybe by
a ye year ago now, when I went through my
propagation era, and every time I.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Happened to those plants, they were right.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I look back on reels from a year ago, and
my house was like a beautiful jungle. They are all dead.
I have one left, and it's the monsterra and it's
hanging on for deer life. It looks like a weed
in the corner. I just got over them. I learned
that I was able to do it, and then I
stopped caring. Then that was iteah, and then now I
just have a graveyard of deadpots all around the house.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I feel like, if you've been able to document the success,
it's ticked off.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Done.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I amn't maintain it.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Why would I want to? Like, why do I need to? Who?
What am I trying to prove to anyone?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I've got a streak on Juolingo. I don't need one
in the garden. That's done anyway. I've got these new
herbs I'm trying to grow ten. I will let you
know in.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Two weeks time if I'm over it yet.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
But I think the herb thing because also I'm a tighter,
So I like the fact that.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I won't have to go to the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You know, when you go and buy herbs and you
spend like three dollars fifty or four dollars whatever the
packet is, and you use like the tiniest amount of
it and then it just wilts away in the fridge.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Can I what was the bin? Per person's name who
commented right, Rache is hanging on the edge of a
sea for that update two weeks time, Rach, you make
sure you're listening to the Wednesday episode. God damn it,
Oh my god. Can I say, though, Keith, You've been
feeling in for me whilst I've been having some half
assed maternity leave, and you have done a fucking amazing job.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You are so I.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Mean, obviously you're in every episode anyway, It's not like
it's not like this is a foreign thing, but you
have done so so well.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I appreciate you saying that, and I think, like, also,
because I come from a broadcasting background, so I know
that whenever the normal person, the reason that you sign
up to a show, whether that be radio or podcasting
is because of the hosts, right, And so whenever one
of them or sometimes multiple are away, there is that
natural feeling of being like I really missed the original
and like sometimes you can just sometimes you can be
(05:50):
a little.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Bit more critical of the person who's feeling in just
because you miss what you know you signed up for.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And so I was kind of expecting a little bit
of just a little bit of heat, like a little.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Bit of spicy, and there's a little bit sas of like,
oh when is lurk?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But everyone's so far has been really lovely and please
don't change that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know and my ego can't take it.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You've done such a good job that now Britta and
I are just alternating taking days off so that we
don't have aw to work roughly again. No, but I
mean it's a funny thing because I think a lot
of people just think that you rock up to a
podcast and just talk shit, which sometimes, to be fair,
sometimes we do. But normally there is a lot of
preparation that goes into these episodes, and you were the
one that does so much that prep and I've listened
(06:30):
to every episode that you guys have done since I've
been on my maternity leave. Not to be confused with
a holiday, and I just think you've been brilliant, So
thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Thank you, but also not to be confused with the holiday.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Who thinks that's a holiday. Who thinks having a newborn's
a holiday?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't know. Sometimes I thought it felt like a
holiday in comparison to the amount of work that I've
got to do normally. But now I'm just doing the
work with a baby strap to me. So I think
that that's why not working with the baby felt like
a bit of time off. I think I have problems.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
We need you to see the You're a bit addicted
to work.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
If you think having a newborn news a holiday from
your usual experiences.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And to be fair, I've just there's been another job
thing that's come up for next year, and Matt and
I have had a big fight about it. So that's
where we're at in life.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I kind of feel like I'll probably be on that site.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's a three year wedding anniversary. Don't add more speaking
about Okay, So it was mine and Matt's three year
wedding anniversary last week. Calculations, thank you like three years
though it's not that long, is it.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But I feel like a really different person in that
three year period.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not to make it about myself. It is about you.
It is about your marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
No, because we were like we were putting together on
Instagram post and so like I was going back through
our wedding photos, I saw that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Included the one with the toe.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, the shoe.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, that's iconic, that always has to be included.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it was a toe violation, but it was a
truly like a big part of the wedding because I
do remember for the entire time my toe was hanging
out and I remember feeling it but being like, oh,
the skirt will cover it. Didn't. It's in every photo
just my toe like this, both of them just escaping
my shoes. No, we were sitting on the couch and
we were like putting together on Instagram posts. It was
actually our wedding anniversary last Wednesday. We went out for
(08:08):
a cute dinner and stuff. But we've been so busy
with the kids and with work and everything, my seventeen
thousand jobs, that we didn't post anything until last night
and Matt we're trying to think of caption. He was like,
three years, we've made it this far, and I was like,
I don't think you can write that, because I do
think the expectation is that you make it a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So three years is pretty short in better or worse
sickness and health elation.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But it was like a kind of serendipitous evening because
we were also watching the finale of The Golden Bachelor
at the same time, bringing up the Men's Like, I
think we watched a little bit of the very first
when everyone was coming out, and then we watched the
finale play out. Have you seen any of it at all?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I haven't, and I looked at the thing is is
that I actually was excited for it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I just feel like I got too into the Traders
and I couldn't do two reality TV shows at the
same time that have to wat chats, you know, I
can only commit to one, Okay. But I don't know
if we ever spoke about this on the podcast, because
I edited the episode that Matt and Britt do of
the pickup that goes into life on card On a Saturday,
they interviewed Bear.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, so the main guy, the lead the Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He said some pretty rowdy things about if he had
an additional rose, he would give it to Sam Armitage
and I was listening to it and I was like,
that was such an easy time for you to shut
down the rumors and Instead, you doubled down on the
rumors and added fuel to a.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Vile I was very surprised that didn't get picked up
in media because that was at the time, so for
anyone for contacts. A couple of weeks ago, there were
lots of rumors around Bear the main guy, having a
crush on Sam Armitage, who was the host.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Of the show.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm actually going to clip in what he said, because
I think if I were to just say this, you
would think that I was doing exactly what the media
does and handing it up.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But this is what he said.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Is there any truth at all to the chemistry between
yourself and Sam Hermitage?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
If I had an extra rowse, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I saw it. I saw at Night one. There was
there was chemistry there.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
She's beautiful. She's absolutely beautiful. There.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I imagine if that was the plot twist, It's happened before.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's happened before in the German bachelott Yeah. On the finale,
he gave it to the director.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Shut up. Sorry, that was aggressive.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean really, I'm like, is that true? Anyway? That
is not what I wanted to talk about. But we
took a detour, But no, don't say sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
It should have gone the people out the front of
my house. It should have gotten more airtime.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And I'm glad we played it again. Daily Mail picked
that up. No, what I wanted to say is and
it was a realization that happened last night. And also
off the back of all of the articles that have
been printed today, So news dot Com, Daily Mail, there's
been a lot of articles that have come out around
the woman who came second, Jeanette Janet Jan Jan. We'll
go jan So Jan came second. She is a plantis instructor.
(10:50):
She's sixty one years old. They're in South Africa. It's
very windy. They're about to take off to the moon
because it's so windy, very distracting the wind. And she
gets out of the car and she walks up and
Bear obviously is not choosing her right. Like we all know,
it's a tried and tested formula, the person who gets
out of the car first. So sorry, it's not you heartbroken,
cry blah. But something that I think was quite interesting
(11:12):
about last night's episodes. So, the way in which if
you were number two, the way in which you're supposed
to behave is you're supposed to be devastated. You're supposed
to be gracious and like you're supposed to take the
disappointment with like a true sort of acceptance in grace
and wishing him well in his quest for love. Right,
It's almost like you know what you signed up for,
so you need to be kind and ladylike about the
(11:33):
whole thing. And I remember when I didn't think it
was me, and I thought Matt had chosen Lease and
blah blah blah. The producer told me to accept it
with grace and kindness because the Australian public don't want
to see you be angry. They want to see you
be sad, but they don't want to see you have
a backbone and be like, hey, you know what, that
was fucked up. I'm out of here. So Janet, I
think it's very different when it is someone who is
(11:54):
like a sixty one year old versus a twenty two
year old who's like getting their heart broken. She walks
up Bear.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know, he's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Telling her all these nice things, but ultimately he's saying
he doesn't want to be with her, and she shuts
him down. She didn't do it in a rude way,
she wasn't overly angry as everyone's reporting. She was just like,
you know what, I don't need to hear it. If
you're sorry, stop saying it. We don't need to talk
about this. And then he went to say this one thing.
He went to say, you know, I still really have
(12:22):
feelings for you, or I still really care about you,
something of that extent, and what she had to say
was so iconic. She turned around and she just said
to him, do not disrespect Sonny by saying this, And
what she meant by that is, do not disrespect the
woman that you've chosen by telling me that you have
any feelings for me at this point or that you
care about me in any capacity at this point. And
(12:42):
I think for anyone who's sixty one years old who's
been dragged along for six weeks, been made to feel
like someone has feelings for them, only to be dumped
and humiliated in South Africa, you would suffer so little
bullshit at that age and be like, I'm not putting
off at this No, do you.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Think it's a confidence thing like that you would get
naturally from age where you just do tend to careless
of what people think about you or do you think.
I mean, you've been in the situation, so were you
kind of preparing yourself to be Like, I don't know
if I'm asking this in the right way. What I
mean to say is, were you cognizant of the fact
that if Matt were to dump you at that time,
the public would have an opinion on you, and so
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you had to act in a certain way that would
make them not hate you.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, I think that that plays a little bit of
a part. I think you do know that there is
kind of a way in which to behave But at
the same time, I think that the people pleasing goes
out of you. Like I really do think that she's like, actually,
you know what, this is fucked, And it really is
because even though you sign up for it and you
know that there's a possibility that you're going to be
number two and they're not going to fall in love you,
blah blah blah, they do so much on the dates
(13:40):
to make you think it's use so that you will
stay and stick it through to the end, Like he
probably went above and beyond. You know, it's a day
before that he's still making out with both of them,
So like you do feel betrayed. You're like, well, why
did you have to do X y Z If you
knew it wasn't going to be me, And if you
thought it was going to be me up until last night,
then you can't be in love with the other person.
It's the lack of time in between. But I really
(14:02):
did think that there was something quite powerful in her saying,
don't disrespect the other woman that you've chosen by standing
here and telling me all these nice things about the
time that we had together.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Too, But I'm also interested in what you just said about, like,
you can't be in love with someone else if you
have feelings for me. And I don't know if I
agree with that. I feel like you can have feelings
for multiple people at the one time and one be love.
I think that in that situation, it actually would be
very likely that they would have quite strong feelings for
more than one person, but they potentially might see their
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life fitting in better with one.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And I also think that you have to play the
game up until a certain point, otherwise there's no TV show. Yeah,
and what I don't think is possible is I don't
think that you can go and meet the family, which
happens just literally the day before and be all like,
I don't know who I'm going to choose. I have
such strong feelings for both, and then wake up the
next day with absolute conviction, Oh it's not number two
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and I am in love with number one. Like, I
don't think that happens in a twelve hour period.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I really don't. And I think that that's the production
value of it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I also really liked it in that moment, her saying
that it just implies that there's no animosity between the
women and there's no anger between the women either.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's kind of like, no, she's funneling that all to
him where it belongs exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Which is exactly what we should have done for all
of that twenties.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
But I think that the one thing I got hung
up on, and probably the point I'm trying to make here,
is that we have been conditioned to think that the
person who is broken up with or broken hearted should
be graceful and should be accepting, and should be sad
but not be angry, and shouldn't show any sort of
like harsh or abrasive emotions. But I really liked that
she was like actually, you know what, fuck you. There
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was something powerful in being a woman standing there and
not going Okay, I'm so heartbroken. I'm so sad, but
I wish you well. You don't have to wish everyone well.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I hope you're happy in your relationship, but I actually
really hate you for what you did to me. That's it.
Move on with life, all right. Well, speaking about being
potentially in love with two people at the same time,
I have a question for you guys. Do you think
if you were a boss, would you fire someone or
want to fire someone if you found out that they
were having an affair in their personal life. Now, the
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reason why we're talking about this is because it's a
pretty controversial take. CEO of Cardon Ventures her name is
Natalie Dawson. She has just gone on to the Diary
of the CEO and this is a take that she
had recently that blew up on social media and they
unpacked it on there. But basically, as a CEO, she's
come out and said this.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
One of the things I've gotten so much criticism of
online was when I publicly shared a TikTok about firing
somebody because I found out that she was cheating on
her significant other. And the other person also had a
significant other, and as soon as I found out about it,
it terminated both of them immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Wait, someone was cheating with someone in the company.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, and they both had partners.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Both had partners outside of the company. As soon as
I caught wind of it, it wasn't even like a
split second decision. I can't have this in my environment,
especially somebody close around me. People trust me and should
trust any leader to help them mate their success easy.
If they're going to cheat on the person they're supposed
to spend the rest of their life with, do you
think that they're cheating on their work? That person is
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a liability to the environment. If somebody has a problem
in their personal life, they're the same person that shows
up to work. I can't bifurcate and put in two
separate buckets where somebody is doing at home and think
that what they're doing at home and the confusion and
the distraction isn't going to bleed over into our environment.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Bifurkate. I don't even know what that word means, So
I don't know what articulate. I don't know whether the
right people to be impatting.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It should be firing me because I didn't know what
the words were.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
In Australia, I don't think that you can fire someone
and I think it would come unto unfair dismissal. The
only part of this that I sit with and I'm like,
maybe there is some validity to it is the fact
that the affair was happening between people who work within
the company, and so I don't know if this is
still a thing. It's been a long time since I
worked in an office environment, but I remember when I
worked for a medical company and part of our contracts
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was that you couldn't be in a relationship or have
relationships with people from work interesting and that was fifteen
years ago. So I don't know if that's still a thing,
if it's legal to stop someone from having a relationship.
But maybe if that is something that's in their contract,
then that is where the grounds for firing and for
dismissal comes from. But it's an interesting one to think
that someone's personal life is and their way in which
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they treat people in their personal life is a clear
and direct indication of how they behave at work.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
When I initially heard this, I was kind of a
bit like, well, that feels like you're involving yourself way
too much in their personal life, Like that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Really doesn't have too much to do with you have
an unhealthy attachment style.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But then when she said.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The thing about like, if they're going to cheat on
the person that they're expected to love the most, like
their significant other, what do you think that means for
your work environment? And that was where I actually kind
of started to flip a little bit. I guess it
just made me question that if someone was able to
have an advair for potentially an extended period of time,
what does that say about their ability to mislead you?
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What does that say about their integrity? And it would
be more for me about the fact that if someone's
able to hide that in their work environment from the
people that they work really closely with, it does make
me kind of go, I don't know what else you'd
be capable of doing, and I would have no idea
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sorry, guys, Poppy is not enjoying this conversation. Listen to her.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
She's like, you should have fire in those cheating bastards.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Lag is so hard being a baby. No, I understand
the sentiment of this like I understand twofold one the
integrity that it brings, and also to the distraction if
someone is having an affair with someone from work, even
if someone's starting a relationship with someone at work, you
can guarantee that their focus is therefore not on work,
and it's going to be on all of the energy
that they're putting into this, the flirting, the courtship, the romance.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Like maybe they'll be wanting to be in the office
more so, but like your your.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Work capacity would be so distracted because you'd be thinking
the entire time, like when are they going to walk
into the room? Can I send them another email? Like
the focus is there not on work. So I think
it's a twofold conversation. But do I think that an
employer should be able to hold up what is like
the moral compass for their employees. I think what people
do in their personal life isn't something that an employer
is able to or should be able to impact their
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own belief systems over. The reason why it's an interesting
one and it's a gray area is because it is
completely dependent on the job and also on whether there
is a requirement for leadership or a requirement for morality
to come into what you do as an occupation. If
you're a politician, I mean, we all saw what happened
with Barnaby Joyce, Like that is a.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Bonking be trouth.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, like that's so people.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Called him, Yeah his nickname because that's really red.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Do you remember when he had some pad at all
and ended up in a garden?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I hate that that made him more likable. I hate
that made it more likable.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
No, but this this is what I'm mean, right, Like,
there's definitely different occupations where it matters. More like if
you're a politician and you're cheating on your wife, I
think it signifies a character and a personality character in
that whereas like if your job you're showing up, you're
doing a night shift, your personal life has absolutely no
impact on your ability to do that job. Maybe you
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work on a mind sit for example, like I would
say they're gray, is far greater in those circumstances, and
that there is far more allowance if you're working in broadcast.
In broadcast, whether it's on radio or in podcasting, like
you're a trusted voice, you're a trust less your some people,
but you're meant.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
To be a trusted voice right now are some jobs
that have more morality attached to them, Teachers, police officers, doctors,
like there are certain jobs that, whether it's right or wrong,
we do attach a higher sense of morality to the
occupation than a bartender, than a musician, than a podcast which, well,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I think that kind of come into it as well.
But I think that they're the instances where I would
understand why someone would take the extreme of if this
is happening in your personal life, then I don't want
you in the work environment. But I don't think it
can be a blanket statement for all, And I understand
why some people would say, yeah, I would never want
them in my company, and why other people would say, well,
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if it doesn't impact the work, if they're leaving their
shit at the door and they're coming in and doing
a good job, then I'm not going to I'm not
going to get down in the trenches of their personal life.
If that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, it definitely makes sense, and it's kind of I
guess more of a modern conversation is that I think
a lot of our jobs have become a part of
our identity more than what they would have been a
couple of generations ago. It does actually make me question, like, obviously,
if you are found out to be a cheater, that
is going to erode your own personal reputation, But how
much could that impact your workplace?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like, for example, I'm going to use myself as an example.
If you found out.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
That I was having an affair and I was cheating
on my partner, that really could affect the integrity of
your business being life un cut, Like, we talk about
cheating all the time, and people would have a really
strong opinion on me if they found out that I
was cheating on my partner. So in that type of dynamic,
if the person is quite front facing in the company,
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I actually can understand it more why you'd be like, No,
I want to protect the integrity of my company and
the brand that I have, and I want people to
think that they can trust us. And if you're doing
the wrong thing in your personal life and that could
damage the reputation of my business, I don't want you here.
I would actually understand it.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I also question, like, is all cheating built the same? Like,
is all cheating all affairs? Doesn't matter what the circumstances are,
doesn't matter how it's transpired. I think that if we're
brushing everything with the same stroke of like, all cheating
is bad, you've done it, therefore you should be fired.
I just think that it simplifies a very very complex issue.
And I also don't think that bosses should have that
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ability to control what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I agree very much when it comes to cheating with that,
But if part of me actually does think that, there
would be a set of moral things that I object to.
We all view things that are either illegal or immoral
on a different set of scales, you know, Like I
have a much harsher judgment of someone who would be
violent to their partner than if they were to take
drugs on the weekend. That's my own personal set of values.
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If I were a boss and I found out that
one of my employees was drink driving, that one of
my employees was beating their partner at home, a pardon
me would be like, I don't want you in a
part of my business because you are going to rot
the inside of my company from the court out, and
so like, there is this kind of seesaw that I'm
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on where I'm like, it depends on what the moral
judgment is for even though you're not really allowed to
fire people for that either in Australia.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was
a really interesting conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'm not exactly sure where on the scale I sit,
and I think it changes depending on what immoral thing
the person has done.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, let's put it to you, guys, the brains trust.
Let's do a poll on this, because if you were
a boss, put yourself in a situation. If you were
a boss and you found out that two of your
employees were having an affair, would you fire them if
you could, hypothetically purely because they lack integrity? Would you
fire them? Would you turn a blind eye and want
nothing to do with it? Yeah? Like, what would be
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your outcome to this?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Something I want to ask you is whether we are
getting so used to seeing fake people online that were
actually unable to spot or recognize what real people look
like anymore. And the reason that this is so at
the front of my mind at the moment is because
last week I saw a particular video go on Instagram.
I think it was probably the third or fourth time
that it came up on my screen that I actually
(25:39):
clicked on it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And listened to it. You know how you kind of
like watch the first few seconds, and this so viral.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I guess I'll okay, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Like, why do I keep on seeing this video?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Because at first it just looked like this hot girl
standing on the beach talking to the camera, and I
was like, well, we see a couple of thousand of
those a day. I'm not particularly interested. So the video
turned out to be by m clarkson. She's a body
confidence content creator. She's also a podcast star, and this
video has now been viewed nine point six million times,
so it's gone mega megaviral.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
She's got four hundred and seventy two thousand followers.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
And the caption of the video said, I'll stop banging
on about this when we can collectively stop having our
self confidence in our self worth destroyed by the time
we are spending online.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Now this is what the video said. Okay, so here I.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Am on the beach right now, except I'm not really
wearing makeup, and my waist is not really that small,
my boobs aren't really that big, my hips aren't read
the shape, and I don't actually have a sometime. Yeah,
but because it's the Internet, I am able to show
up as a version of myself that is completely fabricated,
which in turn may leave you comparing yourself to a
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version of me that does not even exist. So yeah,
after all about the thing that I had to show
you as a completely normal human body that is all
too easy to manipulate on the internet.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
If you're watching this on YouTube, then you will have seen.
I mean you've probably or potentially seen this video anyway,
it has actually gotten that viral online. But if you
haven't seen it, So the way it starts off is
she's standing on the beach just hot as hot, this
chick standing on the beach in a bikini with hair
looking beautiful, waist snatched makeup on, looking great, also beautifully tanned.
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And then as she's flicking through and saying like, my
boobs aren't actually this big and I don't actually have
makeup on, it's flicking between the AI version of her
and what she actually looks like, and it's taking away,
you know, each element at a time. So first the
makeup goes, then the boobs go, then the hips go,
then the waist goes, then the tan goes, and what
she actually looks like is there. This is not a
(27:34):
hot take. We've seen lots of face tune over the years.
We've seen like how people manipulate images, like this is
nothing new. What is new though? And what I think
I was like, Oh my god, is how fucking convincing
the AI is. And that's what I think is really
scary is AI is getting so good. It is so seamless.
I think for so long we've all been very familiar
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with how easy it is to doctor photos, but now
that has really bled over into how easy it is
to manipulate videos. And I think that that's what this highlights.
It just shows you that everything you're seeing there is
no way of knowing now what's real or not real.
How many times have you okay, and I'm guilty of
this sending a video and someone being like, oh that's
AI and you feel like such a boomer because you're
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like what but I didn't what.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Do you mean it?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And they are real? Okay, guys, I have one for you.
There's this cat video.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Laura was playing this on repeat this morning, being like,
the fuck it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I am going to put this on socials because I
was like laying in bed at eleven thirty at night
on a doom scroll. Matt was downstairs, still working, and
I sent it to him because I think it's the
fucking funniest video I've ever seen in my life. I
know we're getting off piece, but let me tell you anyway.
And I sent it to him and I was like,
watch this, haha, so funny, and he's like, that's Ai.
You know that, right, and you know that feeling when
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you feel so dumb because you shell down, Yeah, you
fell for it. I was like, no, I obviously didn't
know that. The cat just hit the ceilings. Okay, fucking
laugh laugh, God damn it. Wait, I'll just play the
audio because everyone needs to.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Hear them makes the.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Wait for it. Okay, I'm glad we all experienced that together.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm so glad we did too.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's had millions of views as well on They're all mine. Okay, continue.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It turns out, isn't it, like you just said, you
feel like a boomer right? It turns out this is
across the board. The ABC published a report just two
weeks ago, and the report was titled Teenagers struggle to
tell if videos are real or fake as AI flood
social media. Now, they had a video gop of this,
and it had all these teenagers. They were in their
school uniform and they were played a video and they
were asked to determine whether it was AI or whether
it was real. And all of these teenagers are like,
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I think that one's AI. This is why, and they
would be like, no, that's actually real. And then they
would say the same thing for the opposite of like,
you know, I think that that one is real, and
you know, everything about it looked so convincing and so realistic,
the timing was right, and they were like, that one's
actually completely fabricated, completely not even manipulated. It's made up,
Like it's just a fake version of reality.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
That's also why I think it's interesting now because like
I think younger people think that they have really good
self awareness when it comes to what's happening online. I think,
like because like there is a bit of a stereotype
that if you're younger, you're going to be more tech savvy,
you're going to be more social media savvy, and you'll
be able to see through a lot of what has
been created because there's telltale signs. The problem is is
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that now AI has gotten so good that those telltale
signs are no longer visible, and they're not visible to
any age demographic, right, And so I think, you know,
for so long we've been having this conversation around like
how inauthentic online is, how it contributes to comparison culture,
how it really distorts people's self perception, but also like
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now we're entering this whole new age of it where
what is fake is completely undetectable, and it's like now
we're almost expected that everyone online shows up in the
most perfect version of themselves because if you're not perfect
or you can just change it anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And there's something about that that actually makes me feel
really depressed. I know a lot of this is probably
the very large majority, but I've realized that with my
inability to spot what is real and what is not,
it's actually taken away from the joy I used to
get from seeing.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Things that I found really impressive.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Like if I would see a video and I'd be like,
oh my gosh, that's so amazing. Look at what this
person did, or look at what they made, or you know,
and now I just have this sheath of well, is
it real or not? You know, it's like this awful
feeling of being like, tell me if it's real or not,
because I don't think it's real because everything that I
see now is not real and it's this real, negative,
like aggressive feeling that I now have.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I question whether we're going to engage with social media
in the same way in the future, Like, and I mean, obviously,
there's multiple reasons why people use it. It's very entertaining,
it's very easy to doom scroll. We also use it
to stay up to date with what our friends and
family are doing. Like there's different pillars of why we're
connected with social media. But I do wonder if we're
only looking at it for like an entertainment perspective and
(31:52):
for like looking at you know, celebrity culture or people
on the internet that we don't know, like for that
sort of connection. I wonder if in five or six
years time we will use it in the same way.
Will we use it with the lens that none of
it's real and it's purely just entertainment, in the same
way that when we look at a movie we go, oh, well,
that's it's not real, like we're watching a movie, or
will we look at it with the lens of projection
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thinking I want to look like that or I want
to have those things because I think for so long
the lines have been very blurred because they've been so close.
People have like definitely cinched their waist a little bit,
or they've smoothed over their skin a little bit. But
the changes are subtle, which make them feel attainable. And
that's where I think it's a really problematic gray area. Now,
as you can see from that video, the changes are
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immense and they don't have to be subtle, and they
can be completely made up. So will it change the
way that we view social media? Will we start watching it,
like I said, like it's something that's purely for entertainment's sake,
or are we going to continue to have this like
eroded self image and eroded mental health? A teenager is
just going to grow up in this space where it's
going to be completely destructive, or will they grow up
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thinking I don't believe anything that's on the Internet.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, and I think that that's probably already happening.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, there was this other article, and I know
that this might feel like a little bit of a
side tangent, but stay with me. I read this other
article that was written by Mary Madigan, and it was
in news dot com and it was titled baffled by
natural breasts, Men have forgotten what real boobs look like.
A viral reaction to some red carpet photos of a
young A list actress have exposed a concerning issue that
proves women really can't win. So this was a photo
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of Milli Bobby Brown, who is twenty one years old.
She was at a red carpet for Stranger Things, you know,
how the new seasons come out. She had this black
plunging dress that came down to kind of like probably
about the bottom rib, and she just had I would
I'm sorry to even assume this, it feels gross. I
would say that she has very normal, probably b cup
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twenty one year old boobs.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
They look bloody fantastic.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
She has great but she has fantastic natural boobs, and
they're in a dress and they sit like normal.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I would say, actually quite perky. Mine definitely weren't that
perky when I was twenty one.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
They sit like normal, beautiful twenty one year old boobs
in a beautiful black dress. So some of the comments,
as you would like eye roll expect, that went up
on X. They read things like that her breasts were
extremely saggy, that she looked ten years older than her age,
and someone declared her to be the anti Sydney Sweeney.
So Mary's article went on to say this particular paragraph,
I thought it was really great. She said, men aren't
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just being cruel, they are genuinely baffled by natural breasts.
If I had just stumbled across the thread of men
claiming that Millie Bowie Brown isn't attractive or that she
is overrated, I would just find it ridiculous. But it
certainly isn't new, interesting or worth dissecting. However, discovering that
men are now being critical just because a woman has
natural breasts and are acting like there must be something
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wrong with her has thoroughly alarmed me.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't agree that men are not familiar with natural
breaths only because I mean, they have mothers and sisters,
probably no girlfriend because they are losers, but they have
seen natural breass. I think we are not familiar with
seeing elite as in like celebrities, the upper eschel. We
don't see that in media because it is so common
now that if you are a celebrity that you have enhancements.
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So I think that there is a huge comparison that
these people are making online. But there's this mentality of like, well,
if you don't have perfection, you should fix it because
you can fix it. And you're a celebrity, so why
don't you look perfect? And my expectation of you is
that you look perfect because everyone else does. Like that
is what I think and where it comes from. But
it's this expectation that everyone who is in all public facing,
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who is a celebrity, should fix the things that someone
else deems is not perfect. Is the ridiculous ideation of
this whole thing. And also, like we aren't familiar with
seeing natural breasts because most people have had plastic surgery
who are working in Hollywood. That is just what's become
the norm. Unfortunate as it.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Turns out, also people who are on Instagram and maybe
maybe they haven't even had plastic surgery. Maybe they're using
AI to make it look as though they have. And
this was a real it was a real moment where
I kind of sat back because I've always been really,
really busty, and I think the largest my boobs ever
got was like a double G and they fluctuate a
lot because my weight tends to fluctuate a lot. I've
(36:10):
got peacos, I lose and put on weight like a
yo yo. Because of that, I have a real insecurity
about the fact that my boobs look like I've breastfed,
but I haven't. I don't like how the skin sits.
And something I've really been thinking about lately is whether
I might want to get an augmentation. And a part
of me has been like, do I do it before
I have children? Do I just wait until afterwards? Like
(36:31):
what are they gonna look like? I have this fear
of what are they going to look like if I
do breastfeed? You know, that would be horrendous. And I'm
starting to question whether the reason I am thinking about
this more and more is not actually because my boobs
look any different to what they did a year or
two ago. It might be because I'm only seeing a
certain version of boobs online and I just haven't had
a reality check because every single thing that I'm seeing
(36:53):
is filtered.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I know that the obvious answer to this would be
like we all just need.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
To be accepting of our bodies and blah blah blah,
and like, yeah, that would be great, but genuinely, hand
on my heart I became alarmed this weekend by realizing
just how much this type of thing had infiltrated myself.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I thought that I was so aware of what was
going on in the.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Media, not necessarily about sporting an AI video or not,
but it turns out I can't do that either. More
about like, how much does this impact my own version
of myself?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And I think I'm realizing it impacts it more than
I had realized.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I don't think you're alone there, Cash. I feel as
though you would have to be a pretty like you'd
have to be pretty aliightened, but it would have had
to have touched you in some way for you to
have never ever considered cosmetic enhancements at all. And I
don't want to put everyone on the same bucket. I'm
sure there's people who are listening to this who have
never even remotely thought about it ever, It's so far
from their brain. But I would say for the great
(37:46):
majority of women, you have at least thought once or twice. God,
you know, I could get a nose job, bro, I
could get my boobs done. You're never going to necessarily
do it, but you've had those thoughts.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
And also, no shame on anyone who has chosen to.
Of course, this is such not an end visual thing.
It's like a society thing.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
But like, I have had those thoughts, and like I
have them constantly, especially now that I'm on my third
bout of breastfeeding. You know, I would say the most
recently when we interviewed Indy Clinton and she was talking
about how she'd recently had a breast done, which is
not I mean, she's confirmed it. This is not. I'm
not giving you a sky laugh ever about it. I'm
not adding it. But I was like, we're having this conversation.
(38:24):
I remember looking at her and I was like, oh,
maybe I should get my boobs done because I want
to have boobs that look like that. That would be nice,
wouldn't it. Like it's so easy to self compare. It's
so easy to think like, well, I mean I'm here
and you're there, and you got there by doing this,
and maybe I could do that as well, and it
would be an easy fix. I do think that probably
the more alarming thing is now we don't know. You
(38:46):
cannot tell what is real and what isn't real. On
the Internet. You have to just go in being so
fucking jaded that nothing is real, and that everything could
be ai, it could be enhanced, whether it's a cat video,
whether it's a pair of boobs, Like, let's just all
assume that it's all fake and we'll probably all have
a lot better mental health off the back of it.
I guess my big thing is where do you go
from here? Because it's not going to go away. It
(39:09):
is the future, and it's not even the future, it
is the reality now. And I think we talk a
lot about how it affects us as viewers, like how
does it affect us when you can't tell the difference?
But I think it's also worth thinking about, like how
does it affect the person who's putting out those images
of themselves? Like that person who is always doctoring their
(39:29):
boobs or their skin or their waiste, and they're not
able to post a photo online without changing the way
they look slightly tweaking something about themselves because either they're
so deeply insecure, or they've created a version of themselves
that isn't real that they have to upkeep, or they're
fearful that people the criticism.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, people will come and tell them they've got snaggy boobs.
Is a twenty one year old and that they're the
anti Sydney Sweeney, Like, there is.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
An element where I'm like, are they doing it to
try and protect themselves? But it perpetuates the issue because
then it creates more fakes stuff online that isn't real,
that more people feel the need to and the.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Pressure to upcate.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
It is time for second sweet.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Okay, I'm going to go first because it really has
been a doozy. So last week, guys, my sweet for
the week was that Ellie was on the road to recovery.
Had a really really hard time Like the last eight
weeks with Ellie is Matt's mum. If you're super new
to the podcast, she lives with us. We've been having
really hard time with her being sick.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Well.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I went home on Monday after the record and I
could not have jinxed it more because that afternoon I
had to call an ambulance and the paramedics arrived and
Ellie was then back in hospital for another three and
a half days. So she has I think I mentioned it,
but she has this thing called se diff which is
a type of infection. But it took us a really
(40:48):
long time to get that diagnosis and it's been on
and off now for eight weeks, like literally Poppy's entire life.
So she's back home again, but she's definitely not one
hundred percent. So I just I was really excited because
I thought she was better, and I really I really
blewm alone too early on that one. And then I
think the other part of this, it's like getting me
(41:09):
quite anxious, is with Lola having this gastro there is
a potential that she's caught the seedff it's a gastro
intestinal thing, so she needs to go to the doctors
today to get tested. It's really it has just been
a doozy of a time in our household. Really, it's
been a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, and also so scary.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
It was really really awful. I think my sweet for
the week is truly and I know I've mentioned a
little bit, but like this postpartum period has been so
much better than what I expect it to be. Like
I said, I'm on holidays, guys, it's been really healing
that I've been able to do and be in the
way that I have. And I mean that in terms
of like I really was going to take it easy
(41:47):
and going back to work. Going back to work has
not been a struggle. She has been like such a
joy to have and I mean she's slept through ninety
percent of this episode. She's waking up now. So the
joys for me, but also like from a work perspective,
especially with Tony May, we have been kicking some huge
goals this year.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Black Friday's coming out.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, we have Black Friday. It's an explosive everyone black.
We're not one of those brands. I go on Black
Friday at the beginning of the month. How Black Friday
comes next week, But there's so much that goes into
gearing up for that, and yeah, I felt really like
this is our year, and especially in the last week
it's been like everything else at home with sickness and
whatnot going on, that has felt like a real saving grace.
(42:23):
So yes, Tony May, everybody, it's been great.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And I have been thinking about earlier a lot, and
I'm really hoping that things improve a lot for her.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
My suck.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
It feels very frivolous in comparison, But I got done
by a Black Friday sale that went particularly early, and
I decided most of my furniture in the house is
like hand me down some Britain law and I'm not exaggerating,
I like quite literally mean the large majority of furniture
in my house was once yours.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
But I decided that we needed we can't see your coverack,
like literally though take at all. I decided that we
needed a big mirror, and I was thinking that I
was going to put it. As you walk in the
front door, there's like a big corridor and a hall.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I've heard that this is bad functuy. I don't care.
I'm not really aware of that type of thing. But
I wanted a big mirror for that area of the house.
So I bought one on Black Friday sales, got a
really good price, excellent. Had to go and pick it
up from this warehouse in Sydney. Now, just by coincidence,
my partner has been working away a lot, but he
was back this weekend and I was like, we've got
to go pick up this mirror. We just decided to
take his car because mine has all of the dogs
(43:25):
stuff in it, which was really fortunate because as we
were driving there, he was like, you've measured this right,
like it's all going to be fine, and I was
I was like, it'll be so fine, like it'll fit
so easy in the back. He's got like a wagon
kind of vibe.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I also feel like there's two types of people. There's
people who measure things and then there's other people who
would just who just get around life with the sheep
vibe it now, the sheer confidence that everything will fit
in their car. Like I'm that person.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I used to have a Hyundai Gets and I was
always like, it'll fit.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And to be prizing it always did.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
It always fit.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Well. We got to the place and I had not
accounted for the fact. First I hadn't measured it anyway,
but secondly I had an accounted for the fact it
would be in a box with paddings. So there was
I fee no way in hell it was fitting in
the car. Luckily, his car has roof racks and he
had all the straps, so I was like, oh, what
a nice serendipitous coincidence. Anyway, we get home and we
(44:16):
unpacked the mirror, and I was just so excited because
I was like, oh, you know, it was pretty. It
was four hundred dollars, and I was like, it's nice
to have nice, you know, bits of furniture.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I'm atting to the house. Anyway, it turns out it
is way too big for the wall. It doesn't fit anywhere.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's also probably non refundable because you bought it in
a Black Friday sale.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I think it's non refundable because I've like ripped the
packaging just shreds with the straps that we had to put.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
On coming on the roof.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Above the bed.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
But I was like.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Shit, and Eternity looked at me, and it was it
was a moment where I was like, oh, you're actually
a bit disgusted in me, Like you're judging me for
this anyway. So that was a big I don't have
to hok that on Facebook marketplace, but that was my
suck my sweet, And this kind of relates to a
sweet I had a couple of weeks ago, and I'm
sorry to almost double up, but like work has been
fucking amazing for us in the last couple of weeks
(45:04):
to months, Like we have really been.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Able to kick some huge goals.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I mean especially in terms of like we've had a
couple of people that we did interviews with that are
really can you guys stop interviewing all of the fucking
big names Whilst I'm trying to have a.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Material it's like, was this done on purpose?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I actually thought about it, and I was like, people
might think that I've done this very selfish.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Man leave, so we're gonna get the biggest guess we've
ever had, Laura, I don't even measure my walls.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I don't just happens.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
I am.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I am so stoked. I am so yeah. I'm genuinely,
so fucking proud of everything that's been Like work in
general across the board has been absolutely slaying well.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
And I don't want this what I'm about to say
to detract from that, because that very much still exists
and I'm still.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Really proud of that and I feel really a lot
of joy from it.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
But I had this moment on the weekend where we
took the dogs, I'd say, the girl, you know, Bonnie
and Delilah to this new beach they'd never been to,
and we were there for like an hour and a half,
and I just had this flush over emotion of like
this is what you work for, Like this is actually
why you work so hard so that you can come
and have a lifestyle like this.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
And it was a really beautiful feeling.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
And I don't know that I don't know what the
words are, but it felt so lovely to be like,
while all of these things that are amazing and like,
don't get me wrong, I have fucking great things happening
in my life.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I'm incredibly privileged and very very lucky.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
We're going to concerts, We're going to these amazing things,
We're interviewing spice girls, like, all of that is amazing.
But this small thing of taking the dogs to the
beach with my partner and just having the best time
actually means more.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Of course it does. But don't you think, and maybe
this is too philosophical for the fact that we're trying
to wrap the episode, don't you think that you're only
able to have those moments when the other things are
in place, because otherwise you would be there being stressed,
like this is hard or we don't have you know,
Like I think for me, when everything is humming, that's
(47:05):
when I'm able to have those moments of being like,
I'm really fucking grateful for how great my life is
in terms of like, I love being with my family,
I love being you know, at the beach and feeling
like an unbothered queen because I am an unbothered queen
because all of the other cylinders are functioning in a
way that they should be, whereas like, if works really stressful,
(47:26):
it's really all like just say, you just be made redundant.
It's really hard to then go into the weekend and
be like, God, I just live for these moments with
my dogs, Like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Because it's true, and I have been made redundant, Like you've.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Just being broken up with You're not going to be
like God, these are the moments. It's when you have
those moments where you're like, I'm really grateful for this
to exist.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
I don't know if it's stress, because I do, like
we have got a lot on our plate at the moment.
I mean, the end of the year is busy for
absolute every different kinds of stress.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, if you've got really big.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Things going on, it's hard to you know, if you've
got a sick mother in law, it's really hard to
revel in the joy of seeing your dogs splash through water,
do you know what I mean? Like, I know that
it's allerspective, but the realization that I needed that these
really big, amazing things that people would deem to be
these markers of success, are not what makes me feel
the happiest.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
They make me feel proud.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Oh one, they don't make me feel the happiest, And
I think that was a really nice distinction and a
really nice feeling.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
So we also put up the Christmas tree because he's
gotten back away from work.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Hi, Well, firstly, it's very early to put up a
Christmas tree that I'm completely here for it, and I
totally second that, Like, I mean, you know, for all
of the amazing work stuff that happens, the best times
is like being at the beach with the kids. Unfortunately,
that is not my sweet because they all have gastrop
so that's just not my sweet at the moment.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Anyway, So we need to go for lorities to go
to a bathroom.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I also Poppies awake and she's just like now being
a pest, so like, well, she's not, she's actually being beautiful.
But it's very hard to record with a baby on you.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Anyway, guys, that is it from us. We hope you
love the episode. You can leave your comments on Spotify.
You can leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Go and
watch it on YouTube and join the comment section. How
do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (49:00):
And you know how to drill, tell you, tell you
dog to any friends, and share love because we love
love
Speaker 7 (49:12):
M HM.
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