July 31, 2025 • 17 mins
Strength isn't pretending everything's fine—it’s having the courage to be real about what’s hard.
On Episode 64 of BeTempered, hosts Dan Schmidt and Ben Spahr open up about how this podcast has become a journey of transformation through vulnerability—for themselves and for the community it’s building.
From a young age, especially as men, we’re taught to suppress emotion, to “man up,” and to keep going no matter what. But that kind of emotional isolation can be a heavy burden. In this episode, we challenge that narrative head-on—because the truth is, vulnerability isn’t weakness; it’s a doorway to healing, connection, and real strength.
We dig into powerful biblical truths like Galatians 6:2 ("carry each other’s burdens") and 2 Corinthians 12:9-10 ("when I am weak, then I am strong"), and we share stories that prove how honesty changes lives—from Kevin Love’s mental health advocacy to a recent men’s rite of passage event where Dan witnessed how 18 men sharing their stories led one man to seek help and enter rehab.
If you’ve ever felt unsure about opening up—or wondered if your story matters—this conversation is for you. Your vulnerability might just be the permission someone else needs to begin their own healing journey.
Learn more at www.betempered.com
Let’s keep choosing courage over comfort—together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, my name is Allie Schmidt.
This is my dad, Dan.
He owns Catron's Glass.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thanks, allie.
Things like doors and windowsgo into making a house, but when
it's your home you expect morelike the great service and
selection you'll get fromCatron's Glass Final replacement
.
Windows from Catron's come witha lifetime warranty, including
accidental glass breakagereplacement.
Also ask for custom showerdoors and many other products
and services.
Call 962-1636.
Locally owned, with localemployees for nearly 30 years.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Kitchen's best.
The clear choice.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to the Be Tempered Podcast, where we
explore the art of findingbalance in a chaotic world.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Join us as we delve into insightful conversations,
practical tips and inspiringstories to help you navigate
life's ups and downs with graceand resilience.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're your hosts, Dan Schmidt and Ben Spahr.
Let's embark on a journey tolive our best lives.
This is Be.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Tempered.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's up everybody?
Welcome to the Be Temperedpodcast, Episode number 64.
64.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, that is hard to believe.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I don't know.
I just thought that we're overhalfway to 100.
Now we're getting there.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We were over over halfway to 100.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm saying, I'm just now thinking that we're halfway
to 100.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't know just that triple digits so ben went
to dixie high school yeah, yepyep, now it is hard to believe.
To be honest, honest with youAll the stuff we purchased for
when we started the podcast I'vegot in a bag and it's sitting
at the house and I hadn't seenit in a while.
I saw it sitting there and Iwas like man, that seems like an
(01:33):
eternity ago.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You know that we were recording in the basement and
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Like just man hard to believe, scared to death to put
it out there.
Yeah, everybody listen.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, now we don't shut up, yeah, which leads right
into today's podcast episode.
So welcome back.
Today, ben and I are going tohave a real, unfiltered
conversation about somethingthat's often avoided, especially
with men vulnerability.
We're not just talking about it, we're living it.
Every time we sit down behindthese microphones and we share
(02:04):
our stories, we're choosing tobe vulnerable.
Whether it's the struggleswe've faced, the failures we've
had to own, or the moments likemy recent experience going
through the rite of passage, the24 hours on my feet, mentally
broken down, emotionallystretched.
We're learning that strengthisn't found in pretending
everything's fine.
It's found in being honestabout the hard stuff.
(02:27):
This episode's about opening up, letting people in and
realizing that sharing yourstory doesn't make you weak, it
makes you relatable, it makesyou stronger and it can help
someone else find freedom too.
So, ben, with that, why do youthink it's so hard for men,
especially, to open up and sharetheir struggles?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Well, I feel like the word vulnerability is mixed up
a lot of time with being weak.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I feel like that's one of the big things you know
whenever you're vulnerable.
Maybe people think that you'recomplaining or something like
that.
Maybe people think that you'recomplaining or something like
that and I feel like, um,growing up, you're always taught
be strong, you know especiallyas a young man right, or
whenever you talk about aproblem that you had, or or
somebody explains it and you'relike how'd you get through it?
(03:18):
pushed it down deep, you know.
I mean, that's just what you'retaught to do.
So I feel like that wordvulnerability is often misused
as weakness and misviewed asweakness, and I think that's one
of the big reasons.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I agree, I think you know I was raised on a
farm where it doesn't matterwhat the weather is, it doesn't
matter what's going on, you know, outside of your life or with
your friend group.
I mean there's, there's thingsthat have to get done and so,
you know, as a young man, youlearn to kind of push those,
(03:56):
maybe those, those feelings ofuncertainty, um, whatever it
might be, that you push themdown right and you just, you
just focus on the task at handand you push through those
things.
And I think you know what I'velearned to realize about being
vulnerable over the past yearand a half or so, since we've
been doing this podcast, is whatit does for me, how it makes me
feel to talk some of thesethings out.
I mean, the things that we dealwith at work, the things that
(04:17):
we deal with at home, um, youknow the stories that we hear
sitting here at this table fromother people and the challenges
and the adversities that a lotof of our guests have face, um,
it really opens you up and bysharing those stories, I think
it helps so many and I you knowfor me and I know I know for you
(04:38):
as well.
You know when we get messagesfrom people who are like man.
You know the story that Suetold last week.
You know I could relate so wellbecause I know someone who's
dealing with a pornographyaddiction, or young lady may
have been battling anorexia.
You know all these things thatthat she went through and, again
(05:01):
, the different things that allof our guests went through
divorce of a family right, youknow that that would happen in
your life, right?
And, um, you know how oftenhave you talked about it?
Right, you know and shared it,shared how you felt as a young,
as a young man and, and thosethings, and, and I think by
talking about it, that's, that'stherapy, and it's important for
us as, as men and and as and aswomen, to share those stories,
(05:25):
whether it's with a group ofpeople, whether it's with a good
friend, a pastor, a counselor,whatever it might be.
I think it's important to sharethat and to not hold that in.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Right, and that's why I feel like it's therapeutic
for sure, and it also buildsrelationships, and I feel like
that's one of the other issueswith men, and really it's men
with vulnerability.
Susan, she was just talkingabout walking out here like,
well, that's easy for women tobe vulnerable, but for men it's
hard and it's like we weren'tcreated by God to be that way.
You know, and later we'll talkabout some Bible verses where
(05:55):
God talks about it, that you'resupposed to share your burdens
and stuff like that, and it'sjust, um, I feel like a lot of
times that that's wherevulnerability stops, is where we
don't feel comfortable enoughbuilding those relationships.
Or you know what will Dan thinkif I'm?
I'm vulnerable and I let himknow some of the battles I'm
chasing or facing and you knowif, if we as men got rid of that
(06:17):
and we actually opened up, Imight realize that you might be
dealing or dealt with the samebattles that I was facing and
you can tell me how you gotthrough it or give me advice or
be praying for me and just feellike it's something we really
got to do a better job as men.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I agree.
Well, you know, when I was onthe uh, the rite of passage on
that 24 hour trek and all thosemen that I was with that were on
our on our team, you know, andwe did a lot of time talking and
you could hear other guyshaving conversations and those
guys sharing stories and I couldtell in a lot of their
instances they hadn't told a lotof people those stories and
(06:54):
these were pretty, pretty deep,so in some cases, some dark
things that those men had dealtwith and and this was their time
where they felt comfortableenough to share it with the guy
next to him, knowing that, youknow, these 18 other men were
going to hear their story.
And then, from that, you know,we've got a text group and and
(07:15):
it's been amazing to read someof these texts where these guys
are like you know, hey, Ibattled addiction.
You know, one of our guys thatwas in our group the following
Monday, from the event, a weeklater, you know, he checked
himself into rehab and he talkedabout that in our group text.
(07:35):
From coming out of that, that 24hour experience and and the,
the stories that he heard fromother guys being vulnerable,
that it made it, you know, madethat switch in his head where he
thought you know, I know I needhelp and, uh, I know I'm not
the only one going through it,cause I just, you know, I just
went through this, this um, thischallenge in my life with these
other men and they were open tothe things that they have went
(07:57):
through and the challenges theyhad faced and it's time for me
to get my life straight.
But right, there is a perfectexample of how, you know, 18 men
were vulnerable with theirstories and from that, one guy
checks himself into rehab tobetter himself and his family.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, so I think it's .
It's powerful, and you know youalways talk about the Galatians
six verse to carry each other'sburdens.
And you know you always talkabout the Galatians 6, verse 2,
carry each other's burdens andin this way you'll fulfill the
law of Christ.
I mean, it's right there in thebook.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right, right, and that's what I feel.
Like the Bible, you know, forme personally, that's what I try
to when I'm in the Word, that'swhy I feel like I'm on fire
with life.
And the other one is the 2Corinthians 12, 9 and 10.
But he says to me my grace issufficient for you.
My power is made perfect inweakness.
Therefore, I will boast allmore gladly of my weakness so
(08:49):
that the power of Christ mayrest upon me.
For the sake of Christ, then, Iam content with my weakness
insults, hardships, persecution,calamities for when I am weak,
then I am strong and I just um.
There's sometimes in the podcastwhere we talk about, uh, not
dumping stuff on our wife andstuff like that, um, and I agree
(09:13):
a thousand percent with it.
But I feel like when I amvulnerable with my wife you know
what I mean Like those momentsthat builds on our relationship
and uh, you know, lisa and I wehave conversations about that
all the time that you know, thevulnerability part is what makes
her feel safe in ourrelationship.
(09:33):
We last, um, last episode wetalked about she was having
problems feeling safe in herrelationship and uh, so it's one
of those things that wheneverwe talk about it on the podcast
about not dumping on your wife.
It's like I agree a hundredpercent like not every day going
home and dump stuff on yourwife, but in the same thing you
need to be very vulnerable withyour wife, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, and share, you know, share some of the
struggles that you may havefaced during that day of work or
whatever it might be.
Um, it's important to have havethose conversations, you're
right, um.
Another one is Ecclesiastesfour, verse nine through 10, two
are better than one.
If either of them falls down,one can help the other up.
You know again, maybe that'syour wife that you have that
(10:17):
conversation with, maybe it'syour, maybe it's your friend,
maybe it's your mentor, maybeit's your counselor, but there's
, there's someone out there, um,that you should be able to
confine in, to have thosedifficult conversations.
Or or maybe addictions thatyou're facing, or, or, you know,
maybe you've lost a loved one.
You know, and you just don'tknow how to deal with that, how
(10:37):
to, how to move past.
You know, past the pain and thestruggle of losing that person,
but there's someone out therethat can be those ears and that
can listen.
And it's important to bevulnerable and to share that
story, because you're not theonly one dealing with that.
A lot of people are Anotherone's James 5 or 16.
Therefore, confess your sins toeach other and pray for each
(11:00):
other so that you may be healed.
There it is Proverbs 27, verse17 is iron sharpens iron, so one
person sharpens another.
We talk about that a lot and itall goes back to just being
open and being honest andfinding those people.
And again to that ROP Team 12,all my brothers out there, you
(11:26):
know, like I said, I think insome instances that was maybe
the first or second time they'vetold some of those stories, but
to see what's come from that,and all these guys are going to
be on the podcast, or a lot ofthem are going to share their
story, and so I'm excited forthat because, um, boys are some
powerful ones you know of theseguys, so um, it's important.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And I feel like you know, you and I, in our weight
loss journeys and our training,life transformation journeys, we
I feel like um, at least I'm Ishouldn't speak on your behalf,
but you know we looked atpodcasts for inspiration right
To find you know what otherpeople are doing to better
themselves, or you knowmotivational speakers.
(12:04):
Like you have a whole list ofpodcasts that you listen to to
help you get through it, and Ifeel like a lot of times it
almost podcast almost used tofill a gap where that was where
the maybe the relationshipsaren't built, where you're able
to be vulnerable.
But hey, I can relate to thisguy and what he's dealing with,
how he got through it.
so we go back and we watch andyou know that was one of the big
things for our podcast was, youknow, we want to help one
(12:25):
person yeah and that was one ofthe big things why we started
doing the interviews and stufflike that is because you have
people coming in here that'sbrave and laying it out there,
being vulnerable about differentthings that they're going
through and know.
We've known from messages thatpeople are gaining stuff from
that, from them being vulnerable.
They're, you know, dealing withthe same things.
(12:46):
Now they realize there's lightat the end of the tunnel and
stuff like that.
So, yeah, I feel likevulnerability is a big part of
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
It's powerful and so you know,you know somebody that that
there's a, there's a story outthere, a former nba player, he
may still play kevin love yeah,does he still play?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
he just got cut, but yeah, he's going to sign
somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, he got traded then got cut, but yes but that
was kind of a big story back inthe day, um, you know, five or
six years ago, where he had apanic attack during a game.
You know, here's this guy, Idon't know, he's 6'10" big guy,
you know, very successful, andhe had a panic attack in the
game and he opened up through anarticle that he wrote called
(13:32):
Everyone is Going ThroughSomething, and that response
that he received from that wasoverwhelming because many said
that his honesty saved lives andchanged conversations about
mental health and professionalsports and it shows how
vulnerability can, from fromleaders, can have a ripple
effect, you know.
And so you take someone who?
You take these professionalathletes who you know everybody
(13:55):
puts on this pedestal like theylive this perfect life, they're
making all this money, they'rethere, all this talent, They've
always been told how great theyare, but they're still human,
they still have facedadversities in their life, maybe
from their childhood or, um,you know all these different
things.
And for him to come out and toum, own it and say, you know,
(14:16):
yeah, I had a panic attack andthis is why, because I'm
battling some demons, I'mbattling depression, and you
know that that was a big stepfor someone like him to to do
that.
So you know, powerful from aprofessional athlete.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, we had the same story in in our church, our
pastor.
He actually took a sabbaticalbecause he had a panic attack
and anxiety attack and you know,when he came back, well, before
he left, he actually had aconversation about what he's
dealing with and you know, whenhe came back, he explained why
he was having that.
You know he was feeling like.
You know we're all saved byJesus, by the grace of God and
(14:52):
everything.
He said that he was still, evenas a pastor and understanding
what he was, you know, dealingwith every day, but he still
felt like he had to achievesomething to get that.
You know what I mean.
Even though he's a pastor, heunderstands the story, he
understands that Jesus died forall of us and our sins and he
(15:13):
still battles, trying to feellike, every day you're trying to
earn the grace, when the graceis just there for you to take.
I know hearing that it set ourchurch on fire.
I mean everybody was startingto be very vulnerable.
Why were you able to bevulnerable?
Cause the leader of the churchwas like hey, I'm battling this.
You know, I know the word.
I went to school, studied theword and you would never doubt
for a minute that man's aChristian.
I mean, he was just amazing manon fire.
(15:35):
But the fact that he wasvulnerable, he's dealing with
the same thing that I deal with.
That a lot of people deal withthat.
You just try to do enough, likeyou just try to well, that's
not good enough.
I got to do better.
I got to do better to earn thegrace.
And yeah, it's at our church onfire when that happened.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, that's pretty awesome.
Vulnerability is not weakness,it's bravery.
When we share what's reallygoing on, we give others
permission to be real too.
We break chains of shame,isolation and pride.
If you're listening, today, wechallenge you to open up to
(16:10):
someone you trust.
Reach out, speak up andremember your story could be the
key to someone else'sbreakthrough.
None of us are meant to carrylife alone.
We were designed to walktogether, to sharpen each other
and to lift one another up.
So, from Ben and I today, goout and be vulnerable, go out
(16:31):
and talk to someone, go out andshare your story and go out and
be tempered.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Hi, my name is Allie Schmidt.
This is my dad, Dan.
He owns Catron's Glass.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Thanks, allie.
Things like doors and windowsgo into making a house, but when
it's your home you expect morelike the great service and
selection you'll get fromCatron's Glass Final replacement
.
Windows from Catron's come witha lifetime warranty, including
accidental glass breakagereplacement.
Also ask for custom showerdoors and many other products
and services.
Call 962-1636.
Locally owned, with localemployees for nearly 30 years.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Kitchens Glass the Clear Choice.
Hi, my name is Allie Schmidt.
This is my dad, Dan.
He owns Catron's Glass.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thanks, allie.
Things like doors and windowsgo into making a house, but when
it's your home you expect morelike the great service and
selection you'll get fromCatron's Glass Final replacement
.
Windows from Catron's come witha lifetime warranty, including
accidental glass breakagereplacement.
Also ask for custom showerdoors and many other products
and services.
Call 962-1636.
Locally owned, with localemployees for nearly 30 years.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Kitchen's best.
The clear choice.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to the Be Tempered Podcast, where we
explore the art of findingbalance in a chaotic world.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Join us as we delve into insightful conversations,
practical tips and inspiringstories to help you navigate
life's ups and downs with graceand resilience.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We're your hosts, Dan Schmidt and Ben Spahr.
Let's embark on a journey tolive our best lives.
This is Be.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Tempered.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's up everybody?
Welcome to the Be Temperedpodcast, Episode number 64.
64.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, that is hard to believe.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I don't know.
I just thought that we're overhalfway to 100.
Now we're getting there.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We were over over halfway to 100.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I'm saying, I'm just now thinking that we're halfway
to 100.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't know just that triple digits so ben went
to dixie high school yeah, yepyep, now it is hard to believe.
To be honest, honest with youAll the stuff we purchased for
when we started the podcast I'vegot in a bag and it's sitting
at the house and I hadn't seenit in a while.
I saw it sitting there and Iwas like man, that seems like an
(01:33):
eternity ago.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You know that we were recording in the basement and
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Like just man hard to believe, scared to death to put
it out there.
Yeah, everybody listen.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, now we don't shut up, yeah, which leads right
into today's podcast episode.
So welcome back.
Today, ben and I are going tohave a real, unfiltered
conversation about somethingthat's often avoided, especially
with men vulnerability.
We're not just talking about it, we're living it.
Every time we sit down behindthese microphones and we share
(02:04):
our stories, we're choosing tobe vulnerable.
Whether it's the struggleswe've faced, the failures we've
had to own, or the moments likemy recent experience going
through the rite of passage, the24 hours on my feet, mentally
broken down, emotionallystretched.
We're learning that strengthisn't found in pretending
everything's fine.
It's found in being honestabout the hard stuff.
(02:27):
This episode's about opening up, letting people in and
realizing that sharing yourstory doesn't make you weak, it
makes you relatable, it makesyou stronger and it can help
someone else find freedom too.
So, ben, with that, why do youthink it's so hard for men,
especially, to open up and sharetheir struggles?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Well, I feel like the word vulnerability is mixed up
a lot of time with being weak.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I feel like that's one of the big things you know
whenever you're vulnerable.
Maybe people think that you'recomplaining or something like
that.
Maybe people think that you'recomplaining or something like
that and I feel like, um,growing up, you're always taught
be strong, you know especiallyas a young man right, or
whenever you talk about aproblem that you had, or or
somebody explains it and you'relike how'd you get through it?
(03:18):
pushed it down deep, you know.
I mean, that's just what you'retaught to do.
So I feel like that wordvulnerability is often misused
as weakness and misviewed asweakness, and I think that's one
of the big reasons.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, I agree, I think you know I was raised on a
farm where it doesn't matterwhat the weather is, it doesn't
matter what's going on, you know, outside of your life or with
your friend group.
I mean there's, there's thingsthat have to get done and so,
you know, as a young man, youlearn to kind of push those,
(03:56):
maybe those, those feelings ofuncertainty, um, whatever it
might be, that you push themdown right and you just, you
just focus on the task at handand you push through those
things.
And I think you know what I'velearned to realize about being
vulnerable over the past yearand a half or so, since we've
been doing this podcast, is whatit does for me, how it makes me
feel to talk some of thesethings out.
I mean, the things that we dealwith at work, the things that
(04:17):
we deal with at home, um, youknow the stories that we hear
sitting here at this table fromother people and the challenges
and the adversities that a lotof of our guests have face, um,
it really opens you up and bysharing those stories, I think
it helps so many and I you knowfor me and I know I know for you
(04:38):
as well.
You know when we get messagesfrom people who are like man.
You know the story that Suetold last week.
You know I could relate so wellbecause I know someone who's
dealing with a pornographyaddiction, or young lady may
have been battling anorexia.
You know all these things thatthat she went through and, again
(05:01):
, the different things that allof our guests went through
divorce of a family right, youknow that that would happen in
your life, right?
And, um, you know how oftenhave you talked about it?
Right, you know and shared it,shared how you felt as a young,
as a young man and, and thosethings, and, and I think by
talking about it, that's, that'stherapy, and it's important for
us as, as men and and as and aswomen, to share those stories,
(05:25):
whether it's with a group ofpeople, whether it's with a good
friend, a pastor, a counselor,whatever it might be.
I think it's important to sharethat and to not hold that in.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Right, and that's why I feel like it's therapeutic
for sure, and it also buildsrelationships, and I feel like
that's one of the other issueswith men, and really it's men
with vulnerability.
Susan, she was just talkingabout walking out here like,
well, that's easy for women tobe vulnerable, but for men it's
hard and it's like we weren'tcreated by God to be that way.
You know, and later we'll talkabout some Bible verses where
(05:55):
God talks about it, that you'resupposed to share your burdens
and stuff like that, and it'sjust, um, I feel like a lot of
times that that's wherevulnerability stops, is where we
don't feel comfortable enoughbuilding those relationships.
Or you know what will Dan thinkif I'm?
I'm vulnerable and I let himknow some of the battles I'm
chasing or facing and you knowif, if we as men got rid of that
(06:17):
and we actually opened up, Imight realize that you might be
dealing or dealt with the samebattles that I was facing and
you can tell me how you gotthrough it or give me advice or
be praying for me and just feellike it's something we really
got to do a better job as men.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I agree.
Well, you know, when I was onthe uh, the rite of passage on
that 24 hour trek and all thosemen that I was with that were on
our on our team, you know, andwe did a lot of time talking and
you could hear other guyshaving conversations and those
guys sharing stories and I couldtell in a lot of their
instances they hadn't told a lotof people those stories and
(06:54):
these were pretty, pretty deep,so in some cases, some dark
things that those men had dealtwith and and this was their time
where they felt comfortableenough to share it with the guy
next to him, knowing that, youknow, these 18 other men were
going to hear their story.
And then, from that, you know,we've got a text group and and
(07:15):
it's been amazing to read someof these texts where these guys
are like you know, hey, Ibattled addiction.
You know, one of our guys thatwas in our group the following
Monday, from the event, a weeklater, you know, he checked
himself into rehab and he talkedabout that in our group text.
(07:35):
From coming out of that, that 24hour experience and and the,
the stories that he heard fromother guys being vulnerable,
that it made it, you know, madethat switch in his head where he
thought you know, I know I needhelp and, uh, I know I'm not
the only one going through it,cause I just, you know, I just
went through this, this um, thischallenge in my life with these
other men and they were open tothe things that they have went
(07:57):
through and the challenges theyhad faced and it's time for me
to get my life straight.
But right, there is a perfectexample of how, you know, 18 men
were vulnerable with theirstories and from that, one guy
checks himself into rehab tobetter himself and his family.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, so I think it's .
It's powerful, and you know youalways talk about the Galatians
six verse to carry each other'sburdens.
And you know you always talkabout the Galatians 6, verse 2,
carry each other's burdens andin this way you'll fulfill the
law of Christ.
I mean, it's right there in thebook.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right, right, and that's what I feel.
Like the Bible, you know, forme personally, that's what I try
to when I'm in the Word, that'swhy I feel like I'm on fire
with life.
And the other one is the 2Corinthians 12, 9 and 10.
But he says to me my grace issufficient for you.
My power is made perfect inweakness.
Therefore, I will boast allmore gladly of my weakness so
(08:49):
that the power of Christ mayrest upon me.
For the sake of Christ, then, Iam content with my weakness
insults, hardships, persecution,calamities for when I am weak,
then I am strong and I just um.
There's sometimes in the podcastwhere we talk about, uh, not
dumping stuff on our wife andstuff like that, um, and I agree
(09:13):
a thousand percent with it.
But I feel like when I amvulnerable with my wife you know
what I mean Like those momentsthat builds on our relationship
and uh, you know, lisa and I wehave conversations about that
all the time that you know, thevulnerability part is what makes
her feel safe in ourrelationship.
(09:33):
We last, um, last episode wetalked about she was having
problems feeling safe in herrelationship and uh, so it's one
of those things that wheneverwe talk about it on the podcast
about not dumping on your wife.
It's like I agree a hundredpercent like not every day going
home and dump stuff on yourwife, but in the same thing you
need to be very vulnerable withyour wife, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, and share, you know, share some of the
struggles that you may havefaced during that day of work or
whatever it might be.
Um, it's important to have havethose conversations, you're
right, um.
Another one is Ecclesiastesfour, verse nine through 10, two
are better than one.
If either of them falls down,one can help the other up.
You know again, maybe that'syour wife that you have that
(10:17):
conversation with, maybe it'syour, maybe it's your friend,
maybe it's your mentor, maybeit's your counselor, but there's
, there's someone out there, um,that you should be able to
confine in, to have thosedifficult conversations.
Or or maybe addictions thatyou're facing, or, or, you know,
maybe you've lost a loved one.
You know, and you just don'tknow how to deal with that, how
(10:37):
to, how to move past.
You know, past the pain and thestruggle of losing that person,
but there's someone out therethat can be those ears and that
can listen.
And it's important to bevulnerable and to share that
story, because you're not theonly one dealing with that.
A lot of people are Anotherone's James 5 or 16.
Therefore, confess your sins toeach other and pray for each
(11:00):
other so that you may be healed.
There it is Proverbs 27, verse17 is iron sharpens iron, so one
person sharpens another.
We talk about that a lot and itall goes back to just being
open and being honest andfinding those people.
And again to that ROP Team 12,all my brothers out there, you
(11:26):
know, like I said, I think insome instances that was maybe
the first or second time they'vetold some of those stories, but
to see what's come from that,and all these guys are going to
be on the podcast, or a lot ofthem are going to share their
story, and so I'm excited forthat because, um, boys are some
powerful ones you know of theseguys, so um, it's important.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
And I feel like you know, you and I, in our weight
loss journeys and our training,life transformation journeys, we
I feel like um, at least I'm Ishouldn't speak on your behalf,
but you know we looked atpodcasts for inspiration right
To find you know what otherpeople are doing to better
themselves, or you knowmotivational speakers.
(12:04):
Like you have a whole list ofpodcasts that you listen to to
help you get through it, and Ifeel like a lot of times it
almost podcast almost used tofill a gap where that was where
the maybe the relationshipsaren't built, where you're able
to be vulnerable.
But hey, I can relate to thisguy and what he's dealing with,
how he got through it.
so we go back and we watch andyou know that was one of the big
things for our podcast was, youknow, we want to help one
(12:25):
person yeah and that was one ofthe big things why we started
doing the interviews and stufflike that is because you have
people coming in here that'sbrave and laying it out there,
being vulnerable about differentthings that they're going
through and know.
We've known from messages thatpeople are gaining stuff from
that, from them being vulnerable.
They're, you know, dealing withthe same things.
(12:46):
Now they realize there's lightat the end of the tunnel and
stuff like that.
So, yeah, I feel likevulnerability is a big part of
this podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, I agree a hundred percent.
It's powerful and so you know,you know somebody that that
there's a, there's a story outthere, a former nba player, he
may still play kevin love yeah,does he still play?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
he just got cut, but yeah, he's going to sign
somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, he got traded then got cut, but yes but that
was kind of a big story back inthe day, um, you know, five or
six years ago, where he had apanic attack during a game.
You know, here's this guy, Idon't know, he's 6'10" big guy,
you know, very successful, andhe had a panic attack in the
game and he opened up through anarticle that he wrote called
(13:32):
Everyone is Going ThroughSomething, and that response
that he received from that wasoverwhelming because many said
that his honesty saved lives andchanged conversations about
mental health and professionalsports and it shows how
vulnerability can, from fromleaders, can have a ripple
effect, you know.
And so you take someone who?
You take these professionalathletes who you know everybody
(13:55):
puts on this pedestal like theylive this perfect life, they're
making all this money, they'rethere, all this talent, They've
always been told how great theyare, but they're still human,
they still have facedadversities in their life, maybe
from their childhood or, um,you know all these different
things.
And for him to come out and toum, own it and say, you know,
(14:16):
yeah, I had a panic attack andthis is why, because I'm
battling some demons, I'mbattling depression, and you
know that that was a big stepfor someone like him to to do
that.
So you know, powerful from aprofessional athlete.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, we had the same story in in our church, our
pastor.
He actually took a sabbaticalbecause he had a panic attack
and anxiety attack and you know,when he came back, well, before
he left, he actually had aconversation about what he's
dealing with and you know, whenhe came back, he explained why
he was having that.
You know he was feeling like.
You know we're all saved byJesus, by the grace of God and
(14:52):
everything.
He said that he was still, evenas a pastor and understanding
what he was, you know, dealingwith every day, but he still
felt like he had to achievesomething to get that.
You know what I mean.
Even though he's a pastor, heunderstands the story, he
understands that Jesus died forall of us and our sins and he
(15:13):
still battles, trying to feellike, every day you're trying to
earn the grace, when the graceis just there for you to take.
I know hearing that it set ourchurch on fire.
I mean everybody was startingto be very vulnerable.
Why were you able to bevulnerable?
Cause the leader of the churchwas like hey, I'm battling this.
You know, I know the word.
I went to school, studied theword and you would never doubt
for a minute that man's aChristian.
I mean, he was just amazing manon fire.
(15:35):
But the fact that he wasvulnerable, he's dealing with
the same thing that I deal with.
That a lot of people deal withthat.
You just try to do enough, likeyou just try to well, that's
not good enough.
I got to do better.
I got to do better to earn thegrace.
And yeah, it's at our church onfire when that happened.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, that's pretty awesome.
Vulnerability is not weakness,it's bravery.
When we share what's reallygoing on, we give others
permission to be real too.
We break chains of shame,isolation and pride.
If you're listening, today, wechallenge you to open up to
(16:10):
someone you trust.
Reach out, speak up andremember your story could be the
key to someone else'sbreakthrough.
None of us are meant to carrylife alone.
We were designed to walktogether, to sharpen each other
and to lift one another up.
So, from Ben and I today, goout and be vulnerable, go out
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