Episode #9: I Went to Dave & Buster’s and All I Got Was Betrayed (The Valley S2 E2 & E3)

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Hi, everybody.
My name is Lindsay, and I'm a bravo holic.
You're preaching to the choir.
Bravo, Bravo, bravo!
Honey, you have to stop saying that.
stupid enough to give it up.
But, Hello,I'm Thomas Norman, and I'm a Bravo holic.

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Thomas, I'm really gladthat you've made weekly meetings now,
specifically for the Valley.
Yeah, I'm really sticking to the program.
Thank you for being my sponsor.
It's really helped.
Yeah.
I mean, it's importantto give back to our community.
And I do think you're a value here.
And the Valley is crazy,so I need somebody to talk to about it.

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My friend from work who loves Vanderpumpisn't even watching The Valley.
And I was like, okay, even I'm doing that.They don't love Vanderpump.
They're liars.
Did you tell them be like, you're a liar?
Posers? I kind of she was like,I don't like Jax.
I was like, okay, get with it.Nobody does.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I watch the Valley,people watch the Valley.
He's so much better in the like. Respect.

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There are people on TikTok and stuffthat are saying,
I don't think Jax should be on TV.
I am not going to watch the showif he's on it.
Like. And that's fine, you can do that.
But I'm going to watch The Valleystill because I think that.
So watch it.

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Even though Jax is horribleand we are giving him a platform,
I do believe that these cameras savedBrittany's life.
Being on the showhas saved her life and that,
it's going to save many more lives
because there's all these womenwatching the show, seeing this happen
and maybe going, wait,that Apple doesn't fall far from my tree.

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Maybe I'm in something toxic to
this was giving straight up interventionsomeone's rock bottom
come to Jesus moment, uncomfortable,life shattering moment.
And I was like, I'm watching this.
So today we're going to cover both episodetwo in episode three.
But let's start with episode two.
I'm callingthis Jax is Intervention episode.

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And I think that's what the editorsand the producers
kind of put together here,because we see Jax.
Jax is storyweaved throughout the entire episode,
and it's almost these bullet pointsof intervention
without doing one big grouphe's visited by many people in his life
that are encouraging him todayto go to this place.

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So Kristen comes over and tells him that
this should be his rock bottombecause he can't see his kid.
Jason and Danny, who I'm calling the Golden Boys of the Valley right now because
they're like
the dads and the ones that aren't complete
pieces of shit and are still in theirrelationships, in their marriages.

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So I'm calling them the Golden Boys.
The Golden Boys come over
and Jax even says is in his own words,is this my intervention?
Jax Facetimes his sister,and Jax gets a call from the mental health
facility, working out the details of himchecking in, and then Brittany comes.

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Yeah, when?
So when Kristen came overand talked to Jax about how,
hey, this is your rock bottom,
I don't understand how you can't thinkthis is not your rock bottom.
And first of all, her dogjust laying on the counter really sent me.
I just think that's kind of gross.
And then when she was.
When she goes,it's really hard on Brittany.

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And he says, well, what about me?
Like, immediately I said, what about me?
And then when she
talked about how he used to,he would call Brittany fat.
And he goes, oh, come on,I love women who look like her.
Okay, well, what about how about her?
About her? Literally. How about that?
Why is there like to be like,

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I love women that look like her implies
that he's like, activelyadmiring other women.
And also instead of saying,I love the way my wife looks, you say,
I love the way people that look likemy wife look what, what?
It's not like I love my wife like,or I love Brittany.
It's none of that.

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So we know, we know that
he's this giant toxic monster, and we knowthat he is literally life endangering.
Like, I'm going to go out on a limb hereand like, make a generalization
because that's what this is all about.
And again, we're I'm only really reviewingwhat these public figures
are putting out into the etherand what they're saying about each other.

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I'm not diagnosing anybody.
But like Jax is really scary.
And if all of his friendsare coming forward and saying
that he talks to Brittany this poor way,and we're seeing it in this episode,
I can't imagine what Jett and this is ata high place for Jax, like starting season
two of the show that he was pushing forfor years after Vanderpump.

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I can't imagine what he was likeat his low
points at home,what the pandemic was like for them
and what she was puttingup with in his behavior.
It's scary.
Every every new
lo I see from him in my currentwatching a Vanderpump

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is is more and more shocking.
And I think about where he is nowand yeah it all lines up.
But it's just every time I was like wow,that's a new
new level of douchebag.
Every right.
And you can tell really embarrassedwhen the guys come over
and like, try to do this scene with himwhere they're talking about

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where he's going and what he has to do.
So he like, kind of cuts them offand takes a phone call.
Okay, that phone call was so fake.
Well, here's the thing, okay?
Everyone on TikTok is sayingthat everyone on TikTok is like, it's I.
The call that Jax got is fake.
He staged it.
And here's what I think really happened.
I think they did plan for himto call the facility before he checked in,

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and the only thingthat wasn't arranged for him
because they don't make these check inprocess is difficult.
They just want to make sureyou can pay for it because they don't
want you to secondguess coming and getting help.
If you're at that point, like, I'msure there's a whole process in procedure
to make sure that they don't spook offthe person that's coming to check in.

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Right?
So I'm sure everythingwas already lined up for Jax because
I was listening to Brittany's podcastand she had Kristen on
and they were talking about,okay, so let's backtrack a little bit.
Jax did an interviewwith Alex Baskin on his podcast.
Alex Baskin is one of the producers
of the showThe Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

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He's a longtime Bravo producer.
He has his hand in all the big propertypots, and he has, as of this year,
a podcast that I believe is postproduced by Bravo.
Because at the end of every episodehe says, go to log in to Bravo TV.com
if you want to seethe rest of this interview,
or if you want to see thingsleft out from this interview.

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So I think he's partnered with them,which is smart,
because he's kind of like establishingwho he is
because that guy bettercome out with a tell all book.
Just like Andy.
Andy better have like 16 volumesand you better start now
before he starts forgetting.
But I want to read the towel.
Or like,preorder them for later or something.
You know what I mean?
But anyway, Jax went on Andy

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Barnes or Alex Baskin's podcastand was talking about
coming out as an addict and getting help,and they released it.
I don't know if it was the same day
as this episode or a couple daysbefore the season started,
when the news came outthat Jax has been struggling
with cocaine addiction and,it was kind of like a safe space

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with a producer that's known him for yearsto help guide the conversation and let
Jax have a platform to say the thingsthat might not be shown on the show,
which I think is also enticingfor some of these egos.
Right.
Like if they're on a reality show,
like I'm not being heard,my side of the story is not being told.
So when that something a Jackson say like,what about my experience?
What about you?
What you've done to me, brought upon me.

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This gives him a platform to do it.
So he went on and he did it.And it's a great listen.
I highly recommend everyone listens to it,but as a result,
Brittany had Kristin on her podcast,announced that it was just hers now
and that Jax was no longer
going to be on that podcastbecause it used to be a couple's podcast.
And then she pointed outshe or she pointed out that she counted

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31 things that he lied aboutin that one hour interview.
And then she stopped counting.
And then she highlighted some of them.
So right now I'm going to play for you
a couple of juxtaposing sound bitesfrom those two podcasts that I think
will paint a really good pictureof what we're missing on the show,

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and more insight into Jackson's narrativeabout getting all this help.
And then Britney's
narrative of what she saysis really happening behind the scenes.
Let's dive in.
Charlie Cruz had a a doctor's appointment,and we had to leave the house
at like 1030.
So I was being nice and I was like,
if you want to come to the doctor'sappointment, be at my house by 1030.

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Blah, blah, blah.
Well, then he started like sending mea bunch of, like, awful messages
and being rude to me the night before,and I said, I can tell you're out.
I can tell you're partying.
Please do not come to my house tomorrow.
Please do not show up.
I can go to this doctor's appointmentby myself.
I just don't feel like it'sgoing to be good for you.
And I.
He shows up anyway the next morning,even though I told him not to.

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And our, doctor is in Beverly Hills.
Like, at certain times a day that cantake you over an hour to get there.
So I'm like, we have to go, we have to go.
We had to be there at a certain time.
And I kept being like, you know, over.
And of course he just lies and deniesand, you know,
just will never admit what he didthe night before, even though I can, like,
see telltale signs on his face,you know, when he's lying.

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I know when he's lying that you know.
Yeah.
So but he still was like, I can.
Yeah, we're.
I'm coming, I'm coming.This is my son. I'm coming.
That was the whole thing.This is my son. I'm coming to you.
Which is also how you know thathe's hung over coming down.
Which which he said on the podcast, too.
Yes. We're not putting words in his mouth,but his lack of patients is like,

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it's awful infinity.
Yeah, it's awful snapping at you.
So we finally get to the carand we're on our way.
And even though I didn't want to,I promise you, I did not want to.
I knew that that was a mistake from theas soon as I got in the car.
So we're in the carand before anything happens, he's just
coming down on me about the bar opening,being like, it's his bar.

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Like just screaming at me
over all kinds of thingsbefore any guy ever text in my phone
because he mentions on, the podcastthat my phone was plugged in to the GPS,
which it was, and a guy texted me,which all that's true,
but he was already in a horrible moodand already fighting with me
and making me crybefore that ever even happened.

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Let me make that clear.
Before a guy ever texted my phone,he was already at my throat.
He was already making me cry, andI was in the car for at least 30 minutes.
At that point.
Okay, like we almost pulled overso I could get out
and call an Uber and put me in cruisein the Uber like it was bad.
So then whenever this guy had textedmy phone,

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his name pops up on,you know, the screen in the car.
He loses it.
He starts trying to grab my phoneand cruises
in the back seat and in his car seat.
That alone is horrible.
So he's reaching over, grabbing my phone,yelling at me, saying all this stuff.
Then he starts saying the most despicablethings you could ever say to your ex.

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Talking about other girls,talking about how they're going.
I mean, I don't want to go intotoo much detail really bad, but it would
imagine, just imagine the worst thingsI could say about being with other girls
in front of the girlthat they were married for ten years
to or in a relationshipwith for ten years.
So he's doing all thisand we finally get to the place.

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I'm bawling, crying, and I'm like,please do not come upstairs.
Please do not come upstairsto the doctor's office.
I already knew that I was calling Uberon the way home, like there was no down
there. I'm never get in the car with thatman again.
I go upstairs,we're in the doctor's office.
Five minutes later, Jack shows upand he walks into our room
yelling at me, screaming at me.

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And then the doctor walks inand he puts on this face like everything's
fine and, you know, doesn't actlike anything's wrong.
And we, you know,we're doing everything for cruise.
I'm even smiling going along with it,because I don't want that.
This doctor, this is embarrassing.
This is our doctor's appointmentevery time the doctor's left.
Why is this guy texting me?
What is going on, blah, blah,blah, like, would not drop.

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It would not dropit would not stop letting me down.
Would not stop.
Like coming on to me.
And I was just like,this is horrible. This is horrible.
Finally, the doctor's office,his visit is over.
I take an Uber home,I come home to my house
and, you know, I'm like,you're not coming in here.
We Uber follow behind, do the drop offwith cruise, lock the doors.

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Cruise is in the house.
Thank God my nanny was here because shewas like cleaning that day or something.
She's like literally the best person ever.
I love her, she's my family.
But she was here that dayand Jax walks around to the back.
I have like a sliding doorand he just lets himself in and I'm like,
you cannot be in here.
It was a really, really,really bad situation. I'm not.

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I'm tryingnot to give too many details with,
but just imaginelike healthy amount of stress. Yes.
And Zoey, who's my nanny,she like comes over
and like stands in front of meand she's like, you have to leave.
So he finally leaves.
And that's also whenever he gotinto that hit and run.
And that was the very same dayafter he left this house.
So there was just so much stuffpiling on top of it.

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Stay the full time.Why leave after 17 days?
I just I felt like I should be honest,I could have left sooner, but
I just felt like the second time aroundI was in there and I'm like, okay, okay.
I justI needed a little bit of a I, I felt
it's like I learned to ride a bike,you know, and I was doing good.
And then I felland I just, I needed a little bit of,

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I needed to
go back just to be like,maybe a little bit of a humble pie,
maybe a little a piece of like,okay, listen, this,
this problem, this addiction is sicknessis bigger than you think it is.
I know you think you're a manand you can control it
all, and you're this, but you can't.
This is why you're back here.
Because this drug is bigger than you are,and you need to take it seriously.
And you need to not half ass it.

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And I was like,you're right, you're right.
And I dug deep and I took over.
Like the groups in therapy.
I tried to be a mentor to some people,and I loved it.
The second time,I was really a little bit more into it
because I was a little bit more like.
And I was just fucking here.It was embarrassing.
But then I used it.
I'm like, I just left this place
literally a month agoand I'm already fucking back.
It's embarrassing.
Yeah, but I use that as a likeeven somebody like me,

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you know, who on paper has it all?
I do. I'm very fortunate.I have a healthy child.
I have a healthy wife.
I had a house, I have everything going, and I still found a way to fuck it up.
And I think that was importantbecause most people that are in rehab,
don't have anything to lose.
I had a lot to lose.
So people were looking up to me.They're like, wow, this guy's got it all.
What the fuck is he doing?

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We don't have anythingand we're doing this. We get it, you know?
So I think people wereliking that a little bit.
I want to focus
to begin with on the second rehab step,and we'll get into the first as well.
What prompted you to get helpthe second time?
You know,I got a lot out of it the first time.
And then when I was out, I was like, okay,I can get this.

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There was an incident, Brittany and I were actually on their way
to a doctor's appointment for our son,and her phone was connected to my car,
and a man's name came upand it just triggered me.
I did slip after the first incident,and I was
I did take substance the night before.

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And the next day's always the worst.
When you're after this,the next day is the worst.
I, I lost it, I went crazy in the car,you know, yelling.
And the worst part about all of thisand is this is why I checked myself
in, is that my son was in the backseat,and that's when I knew.
I'm like, shit, I have,I have a problem. It's still there.
It's still there.
Like, I was very awareI was yelling, and then I turned my head

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and I see my son back there.
I'm just like,this was just utter disgust.
Utter disgust.
So what I did is I called his sister,
my manager, my publicist, and Alex Baskin
and I called all of them, and I was like,this is horrible.
He has not changed.
What's however, he'strying to act like in public that he's

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this like mental health advocate and he'sthis and that and he's so much better.
And he's,you know, giving all these excuses
and doing all these like,victim mentality things.
And I was like, it's not fair.
I was like,
I am being yelled at and being andthis is a struggle on my everyday life.
I was like, something has to be done.
So on the podcast you on the podcast,

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Jack says that he looked in the backseat
and realized that cruise was thereand that's why he had to go.
That's not true, and I don't care.
I'm going to call that out.
Yeah,if I hadn't called all of these people
and Alex Baskin in his jobdemanded like an intervention.
Yeah, an interventionif his job wasn't threatened yet again,

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like it was the first time around,he would not have went bust.
And Britney was like, you need to go back.
And and I didn't even put up a fightlike the first time.
I kind of put up a little bit of a fight.
This one, I was like,I you're right, you're right.
I didn't put up a fight. I'm like,I gotta, I gotta go back.
And then Brittany reached outto a few people, including
Laura, your publicist,Ryan, your manager, and me.
We talked about the incident.

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You agreed to go.
And this was over the holidays, right?
So it was a very dark time for you.
And it made me very upsetthat he tried to act like,
oh, I saw cruise in the back seat.
And I was like, that'swhenever I had to go because a good story.
But the bottom line for you, as Edis your best friend
is he didn't and couldn't.

(18:30):
Sorry.
He could not.
And he did not do it for you or no.
And that's what was a huge like anchor of
like pissing you off, upsetting you,making you heartbroken.
Yeah. It was like,how could you not do it for us?
But you could do it for this. Yeah.
So when you hear that and people are like,oh, he did it for his.
And then you're just like, fuck.
You know, it's like,no, that's absolutely not true.

(18:52):
That's not true.
He did not and did not.
He had a problem.
And even the night before, more try this.
I'm going to spillbecause this was over the holidays.
So I was having a Thanksgiving.
I always hostlike a Friendsgiving on Thanksgiving,
and I was terrifiedthat he was going to show up on an
uninvited to my housebecause he kept saying, that's my house.

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I'll come if I want to.
Stuff like that,even though it's not so he says, you know,
that he was going to show up.
So I was so scared.
So getting everybody involved in himthinking that he might lose his job
and this and this and that.
He decides to check into a actual rehabfacility finally, like starts

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kind of saying different than the first,which is different than the first place.
The first place was more of likea mental health. Yes.
First place was a mental health facility,which I desperately
wanted him to go to too.
You will see that on season twoof The Valley, like how that came along.
But I can only talk about thingsthat are happening recent, but
for the second time we were like,you need to go in

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not only for mental health,but you need to, you know, say something
about how you have an addiction to cocaineand, you know, he thought it.
He thought he thought it.I don't have a problem.
I only do it when I'm drinking.
I don't have a problem.
And this and thisand that never would admit it.
So finally,he gets checked into the first place

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and leaves after one day.
So he leaves.
He checks in for one night,leaves on Thanksgiving morning,
and I'm getting all these callswhile I'm cooking a huge dinner
for like 25 of my friends that he'salready signed out of rehab after one day.
And I was devastated. I'm crying.

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I'm like, oh my gosh, this is the worst.
What's going to happen,what's going to happen?
And ultimately,he goes back to the same place
that he went to for the first30 days, months before then.
He says that he only said for 17 daysthe second time,
failed drug tests at both place places.
Let's make that clear.

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But still left early.
Thought that he had had enough.
So this is why I'm very.
Far. I'm getting ahead of myselfa little bit, but the impression

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I got on the after showwas that he's accepted some, like I have.
The only thing he's taking accountabilityfor is his drug problem.
Yeah, he's like that.I ruined a lot of lives with that.
But then you.
Then he continues
to just pathologically lie, and it's like,oh, so he's not really that different.
What I'm thinking is afterwe talk about the episode,
then we'll do bullets on the after showand what we thought and I have like,

(21:46):
I've prompted questions like,what do you think about Benji? Like things
like that on the aftershow, andthen we'll go into episode three, okay?
Okay. Perfect.
So, so yeah, the Golden Boys call Jax,and then he called
the mental health facility.
And this takes us full circle.
I think everyone on TikTokis saying that this is a fake call,
that Jax faked this call.

(22:07):
Jax doesn't have to do all that.
You guys, this was likely a callthat really was scheduled.
And all that was leftto really talk about was payment.
So Jax did take the call.
But then in post-production,they added fraud, which means
they dubbed voiceover into the episode
to give the audience more contextand try to make it match up.

(22:27):
It wasn't a perfect match, and that's whythe person on the phone sounds weird,
but I think that was probablyjust a producer doing ADR for the episode.
To maintain the privacy of the like.
The mental health facility worker,who they probably weren't going to go
chase down to get, signed offto have their voice on the show.
Yeah, that's what I, that's what I wrotedown, was that it sounded fake.

(22:49):
It sounded like horrible ADR.
Yeah.
And and a check in process wouldn't be.
How depressedare you on a scale of 1 to 10?
Okay, great.
Do you have $35,000?
Perfect. Let's get this going.
That's not how that goes.
It's so true.
It's so funny.
I, you know, it's just.

(23:10):
Who cares?
They're like, people don't care for this.
Let's just.
Let's just get to the juice.
How much is he going tojust put it in the post?
And then how much is he gonna throw away?
Because he's not going to stay like,that's literally what was.
And then so we see that call.
We see he did FaceTime his sister.
Who where is she?
She needs to step up to the plate hereor check out.

(23:31):
I'm sure she's benefited from Jackson'scareer.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm just now got to the point in the show
where his dad just diedand his he's not talking to his mom
and he doesn't really mention his sister,so his family
isn't really there for him, really,or his dad was.
But it sounds like he has a tough familylife.

(23:53):
Yeah,it sounds like his dad was abusive too,
because he talks about how his dadwas in the episode.
My dad?
Yeah, he talks about like, my dad yelledand screamed and threw things.
Sometimes when he got mad,he actually puts a lot of it on his dad.
And then in the conversation withthe Golden Boys, he says something like,
my dad wouldbe rolling over in his grave right now.

(24:14):
And then Danny was like,J. And Danny and Jason are adamant.
They're like, no, he'd be proud of you.
Like you're you're breaking the cycle.
Like you'reyou're doing something about this
and you're going to be betterfor your son.
Your dad would be proud of you.
So it's just likeJax has this internal monologue,
and I don't think it's ever evolved pasthis, like, eight year old self because,

(24:35):
like, since I started therapy,
I learned
what my triggers are and like,what gets an emotional reaction
out of me and like,takes me out of being grounded and
it's really funny once you realize that
when you get triggered and have a reactionor an outburst to something,

(24:56):
it's very childlike, like it's very like,why are you crying?
It's because when you were a child to get,you know, your parents attention,
you would cry and then they'd comepick you up out of the crib or whatever.
Like it's very primitive like that.
So I think it's really interestingto look at Jax stomp his feet
when Brittany shows up and say, what?

(25:18):
This isn't fair.
You do stuff too.
You've done cocaine too.
And then we get this great line.
We get this great linewhere Brittany's like,
I could pass a drug testright now, but could you?
Yes it was.
She was like, oh,let's take a drug test right now.
I could pass because you, you you.

(25:40):
It's great.
So, Jax is intervention.
The guys say that.
Okay, so the boys have to. Jax.
They tell him that you know, his dad.Be good.
And then Brittany shows up with cruise,which I think is supposed to be like Jack
saying goodbye to his son for a minutewhile he goes away, but then it quick.
She has the nanny ready,

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and it quickly turns into a screamingmatch between the two of them.
And my favorite, my favorite thingis the B-roll right before she walks in
of their little plaque, their decorthat says this is our happy place.
That was so shady. Are the editors.
Whoever I really want to, like,

(26:20):
track down his editing the show and, like,see you guys come
talk about I'm sure they're signed an NDAand they're not going to, but
yeah, they did such a good job.
Even the I have notes thethe aftershow editor did a great job.
I have some really amazinglike juxtaposing scenes
that they put right next to each otherthat I think are just poetic, like,

(26:42):
so poetic about what's going onbetween the divorcing couples.
But anyway, so Brittany and Jack starthaving a screaming match, and she's
she's upset and she's begging himto get help to stay in the facility.
And most importantly, her concern isthat he's not going to be honest
with the doctors,that he's going to show up

(27:03):
and he's going to try to charm the doctorsand tell them,
give them the whole Jax dance,you know, and make them fans of him,
but not be honestabout what he's struggling with.
And so she's just tryingto really insist that.
And it gets Jax really pissed offbecause she's asking him
to be accountable and he can't do that.

(27:27):
So he's going to then scream and questionwhy she isn't accountable.
And then
she also asks him about the girlthat he had over last night,
which we have to note mentionedbecause her titties are humongous.
Huge. Good for her.
Wow, those are well, I don't knowif they're good for her, I would.
I feel like that hurt my back, butthey're probably not good for her back.
But they're great for her wallet.

(27:48):
Like she has to be an only fans girlwith some knockers like that.
Like that's the point of the shot.
The photowe saw of her in that yellow monokini,
if you could call it that, is is.
Yeah. It was like Borat's monokini.
Yeah,but canary yellow and jugs, jugs, jugs.

(28:09):
I feel like
she needs to be making a lot of moneyoff of that.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Yeah.
If she's not the only fans, man,she should be one. Oh my gosh.
When she
when he came in and picked up crews andshe was like don't kiss him on the face.
Oh yeah, I didn't evenI didn't even think that like that's okay.
What.
Oh yeah.
That's why she said thatis because she knows he has people over.

(28:34):
But also like crews is nowwe know he's autistic.
And I being a non-verbal childat that age,
if he doesn't, it's not somethingyou could just come up and smother on.
And like a lot of people,a lot of people on TikTok
and like in other spaces were vocalizing

(28:55):
how uncomfortable Cruz lookedwhen Jax came in the door
and how scared he was cowering.
And like, I don't have kids,so I don't know what looks normal or
not normal.
But I also can tell, just likewhen a human doesn't want to be touched.
I think that's
obvious, cuz as an adult to recognizewith jumping doesn't want to be touched.

(29:18):
And I think that Cruzwas exhibiting that behavior.
But I don't think Jax cared.
I think Jax was like,
this is my this is my toy to to,
you know, he's my son and I get to hug himand do what I want.
He's it's I am
this is all really sad.
And the entire timethis is all going down.

(29:38):
He's wearing a Jax Studio City hat.
And I'm just like, this is nota great advertisement for your bar buddy
that I wouldn't be wearing.
I wouldn't be wearing all my best merchwhile I'm having this
life altering moment.
That's not going well.
The entire season.
He's wearing the same merch.

(29:58):
And it's just, I wonder, like if hispartners, you know, they did sell Rocco's.
So Rocco's ownsJax is Rocco's, and Studio City
has this backpatio area that they've redesigned.
Let them redesign.
They're calling Jaxand they put the sign out and everything.
Right. It's owned by Rocco's.

(30:19):
Rocco's sold the bars to a new ownerbefore the season came out.
Okay.
And I'm wondering.
I know the Studio City Rocco's. It's not.
It's not bumpin over there.
The WeHo one is thewe have one could pay the rent.
That place is always busy,but the Studio City one isn't.
And so I thought that by lettingJax come in it would be clever,

(30:43):
but they didn't like upthe cocktail game or anything.
And to be associated with like West WestHollywood bars in that I just I've,
I've said it before and I'll say it again,get real lime juice.
Okay.
I think it's authentic.
To it being Jax has space because he wasalways the worst bartender at Sur.
You're right.

(31:03):
His drinks were covered.
It's so true.
I think it's just studio.
But anyway, they sold itright before the show started,
so maybe that's because Jaxis wearing his merch in every episode.
Or maybe it's genius.
And maybe we need Jax merch.
No, we can't support Jax.

(31:23):
He's a horrible person.
This is my problem.
I become so disgust it that I thinkit's funny if I buy whatever it is.
So for example, Carl from Summer Houseis fundraising for a sober bar
in Brooklyn, aka a coffee shop,and he's he's calling it.
It's called, it's called soft.

(31:46):
It's so stupid.
Like, instead of hard liquor, it's soft.
What drinks?
I don't know, he's also probably makinga play on the whole Lindsay Hubbard.
He had a girlfriend
or a fiancé at one time, and he, like,yelled at her to be softer.
Or he's like, be softer.
Like, hug me, hug me better. Softer.
And so
now he's making it into like a brand,
but he doesn't want to pay for

(32:06):
his own cafe, so he's crowdsourcing itthrough merchandise.
And I'm so grossed out by all of itthat now I want to buy the merch
like it's it's it's gonefull circle in my brain of what's funny.
And now I think it's hilarious.
So I'm probably going to be crucified
for saying that I want a Jax hoodie, butI almost want it before it's shut down.

(32:28):
Like to one day be like, hereI am in my jackass hoodie.

(32:52):
So they get into a screaming match,and literally there's a moment where Jax
is, like, looking at the producer and he'sscreaming at the producer about Britney
and I.
It made me think I was like,what are these
poor producers putting up with?
Like, these people must have,you know, the people had to
then go follow him as he was like,I'm I'm done.
I'm done with this.

(33:12):
And then the cameramen have to follow him
and watch him fall apart,watch this marriage fall apart.
I'm just like,
oh, God, this is so like, all I know,I know, I don't think I could do it.
I don't think I could.I couldn't be part of this.
Can you imagine the cameramangoing home to his wife and saying,
okay,the crazy thing happened at work today.

(33:33):
I watched the marriage fall apart.
Just be like, what's for dinner?
I wonder if the cameraman has, like,the healthiest marriage
out of anyone on the castand crew of the valet
because he is like,watching this every day
and then going home to his familyand maybe appreciates the more.

(33:54):
Probably.
Anyway, that's just some perspective.
Jason arrives to save the dayand he's never looked hotter.
I am alwayssomeone that's willing to admit
when I'm wrongand I will change my mind on a dime.
And even though Jason, the corporate
attorney for worker's Comp, that's right.

(34:15):
He's hurting the little manfrom getting his crappy, crappy paycheck
after he's mauled by a dogin his restaurant.
True story. Right?
I think he's never looked hotter
than coming in in his chariot,
aka SUV to drive Jasonto a mental health facility.
Jason, I forgot they're both named Jasonfor a mental health. It's already

(34:37):
I can't.
I was like, oh my God, this is attractive.
Yeah, I know he's being a good friendand being a good friend of Britney
and yeah,and he looks like that while doing it.
He's being a man.
And then he even talks a little bitabout how he had to come one night
when they were fightingand get Britney a hotel room while
I do wish that Jason was man enough

(34:58):
though to like, say to Jax, like,you get the hotel room.
Jax yeah,
you you go.
Jax like I,I can see the divide in the friends
of where they will stand up to Jax,but then where they won't.
Like like you can see that they're kind ofscared of him and I get it.
Yeah.
But like at the same time I doI would love to see one of them

(35:21):
rise to the occasion. Imagine
in season three
if Jesse, who currently has the audience's
favor on Watch What Happens Live,people were voting in Jesse's favor.
Yeah. Not Michelle's.
A lot of these women are angryat Michelle, which I don't get,
but I'm open to hearing perspective.

(35:42):
They're very pro, Jesse.
And and so I thought to myself,imagine if in season three, Jesse came in
because he's the only one right now
they think has the nutsto stand up to Jax in any regard.
I imagine if it was like
Jesse versus Jax on something,how would that be?
Like?

(36:02):
That'd be like The Avengers versusone of those
big villains that they go up againstin the Marvel movies?
Yeah, I got a really, really that would bea matchup of true like depository.
I justthey're they're both really bad people.
It's still it'd be like two titans of eviland it's like who's

(36:24):
who's on the just sideand who's on the unjust just a little bit.
Where is it going to go?Who was just a little bit less worse?
Not better.
Less worse.
Speaking of worse, I think it's timethat we go into the new way.
We're going to break down these episodes,
at least for the time being,to see if we like it.

(36:44):
And we're going to highlight our favoritemoments of the of the episode.
And then moments that shocked us.
Sure.
In the beginning, Jason and Janetand Jasmine and Britney were debriefing
about the white party, Brittany'swhite party that she arrived late to.
As we discussed last week.
And, and Jasmine talked about,

(37:05):
white people eating breakfast casserole.
And I want to know your thoughts on that.
Do you,if you ever had breakfast casserole?
Because I didn't know what this was,but it looks good.
This will be a PSA.

(37:33):
Thomas, you've cued
a public service announcementas a public service.
This is just a test.
It's important that the public knows.
And that Jasmine knowsthat casserole is not a white person.
Food.
It is a midwest food.
Literally,
as a white person
from Canada is.

(37:55):
I've never had no one makes casserole.
No one gives each other casserole.
But all of my Midwestern friends do cometo American Thanksgiving with casserole.
It is a midwest white person.
Okay, I think it's more like Midwest styleBible Belt style
because all the history of casserolesI heard about is like, did someone died

(38:17):
and someone get a divorce?
You bring them a casserole, right?
You bring yourare they new to the neighborhood?
Bring them a casserole.
She my new to the neighborhood is like pieor cookies.
It's not casserole. Oh,
yeah.
It's like a sweet treat, but I get it.
So the PSA for Jasmine is thisis a midwest thing, not a white thing.

(38:38):
Okay.
I the back to you, Thomas in the studio.
This has been a PSA, a.
Jana is very Midwestern, coming from Ohio,
and I think that this season

(39:01):
she sat down because she's a smart cookie.
She sat down before the season startedand was really trying to strategize
how to get the audienceto be in her favor.
Oh, it worked for, I don't know.
In this next episode, I'll tell you why,but she's gone up in my mind.
I know, I know,I know it did, I know it did.
She had the best.
She had a very authentic birthday partyfor Janet.

(39:23):
We'll talk about that in episode three.
But she I think she really strategizedlike how she could build her fan
base, who she could relate the most to,and she decided to focus on
this, like,
Midwestern mindsetand like that she relates to the fans
and the women that come from these areas,because that's where she comes from.
And I think it's really smart,and I don't think it's inauthentic either.

(39:46):
But I do think she's amplifying itand choices that she makes.
Like in episode two,choosing to have a casserole
because have you seen Jason's body?
Jason is not eating casseroles every day.
I didn't see I mean,I actually don't think Janet's cooking.
I think that they have it, have foodbrought in.

(40:06):
You know what he's eating?
He's eating the ice from her countertopice machine
that I did order from costco.com.
Oh, congratulations.
It only took three episodes of appearancesfor you to do it.
Yeah, I bet the bullet
good.
You really wanted it. You thought of itthis long?
Yeah, and I thought it would be silly and,like it's superfluous.

(40:27):
But ice is really important to me,and I'm going
to be doing a lot of trainingfor this triathlon I'm coming up for.
I'm going to make it my whole personality,especially on this show,
and I need the ice for that.
I love that crunch it into the microwavediary and log your training,
and we can talk about what it's liketo get ready for a training area log.
Oh, diary and log.
Yes, I'll probably have some diarrheato exhibit enough to get a beat up.

(40:53):
But I want
to be that ice cube, baby.
Pump up.
So that's why I think of casserole.
I think it sucks.
I never like people's casseroles.
They're always like two cheesyor two cartuja.
Like, too salty or too dry.
I, I'm some I like food, I like good food.

(41:16):
So no casseroles.
Don't combine it all togetherand cut me a square of it.
Don't do that.
The only square cut
I want is, pizza or lasagna.
Lasagna is probably the only casserolethat I'm down with,
but to me, that is structurally different
because it's layeredthat that that entices me.

(41:37):
Do you think lasagna qualifiesmore as a trifle
than it does a casserole?
Sure, yeah.
A meat and cheese and noodle trifleor or is a trifle
a sweet lasagna?
No, not that.
No, it's not that.
I said it.
It didn't feel right.
Okay, wait.

(41:58):
My favorite moment.
One of my favorite moments.
These aren't in specific order.
Maybe there's chronological.
But my favorite.
One of my favorite momentswas Brittany finally unraveling on Jax.
She said, I'll pass a drug test right now,but will you love that?
That wasthat was like a really great scene.

(42:20):
I think we saw their relationshipon camera for what it exactly was.
I think he was so unhinged and angry
that he was like seeing redand could not control what he was saying.
So we got to see the piece of shitthat he is on camera.
And she finally stood up for real,stood up against his bullshit

(42:41):
in the moment and really well,which like I didn't.
I haven't seen her do that yet.
Yeah, yeah.
And you could tell she's, she's trulyso done with them, which I think is great
because everyone, you know was worriedthat she'd keep going back to them.
There's so much discord to like.
Everyone's like,I don't know, I, I'm so sorry, but like,

(43:04):
I think a lot of these people onlinehaven't
experienced peoplethat are victims of abuse.
And haven't had friendslike going through stuff.
I'm Team Brittany all the way.
This guy is diabolical and the thingshe's probably said to her over the years
to lock her into this relationship.

(43:24):
I'm not judging herfor asking to have more kids with him.
I think in some weird mindset,
she thought that like thatcould make things better for a minute.
Or at least it would give hersomething else to focus on.
Like inthe more she could focus off of Jax
and on the kids, like because she wantsmore than one, the better.
And then ironically, he's reacting.

(43:46):
So I think he's jealousthat she just gives
the kid all the attentionand doesn't do shit for him anymore.
Like he's like,why don't you care about me?
Why don't you check in on me?
Because you're abusive, bro.
You flipped a table and you,
like, blacked out her knee and you'rethrough barstools across the room.
Yeah, me?
No big.
My barstools. Hold on, let me show you my bar stool.
Oh, well, if Jax Taylor

(44:08):
muscled off this bar stool,that's an image you would across the roof.
That's an amazing bar stool.
Where'd you get that?
Thank you.I got Marshalls on Christmas Eve.
I feel like it's the only day
you can get anything good at Marshallsbecause it's gorgeous.
Thank you.
But you know what I'm saying?
I he threw these across the roomwild, and I and I,

(44:31):
I can't imagine the last timehe checked in on
Brittanyto make sure she was feeling well.
Probably never,
probably never asked one time.
And I'm right now I'm in Vanderpumpwhere they just got engaged
and everyone is asking,are you sure you want to do this?
And she just keeps saying,
this is my this is my relationship,and I'm choosing to marry him.
This guy I'm going to marry. Okay?

(44:52):
So just get with it, okay?I know that we was
it was hard in the past,but we are going to be together.
And now it's like sadthat I've seen the fall out of it.
It's kind of amazing that you'rewatching both at the same, the bookends.
I mean, they did start the relationship
earlier, but,you know, the bookends of their marriage.
I should say thatI'm watching the engagement
and they're sort of reconciliation.

(45:13):
After his dad died and then
however many years later,
crumbling.
Not like yeah, like, I don't knowhow many years, nine years later.
So yeah.
So I, I put that in my favorite moment.
I know it's dark,but I do think it's going to save lives.
I do think it's really coolthat I think women are so cutting edge

(45:35):
and ahead of their time
when it comes to talking about stufflike this and like, evolving emotionally.
And I think that this is another exampleof how we're going to evolve.
We've learnedand seen so many things on reality TV
that's like started discussion for usthat I think seeing this behavior
and this toxicity on TVis going to help a ton of people.

(45:57):
It's literally like,I know people go through divorces, right?
And I wrote this
about, Michelle and Jesse later on.
But like I, I've never seen
people go through a real divorce.
And I've seen on Wedding Crashersthe mediating a divorce.

(46:18):
I was like, what's the what's the closestthing to, like, real divorce I've seen.
And it's like depictions in Hollywood.
It's not like a real dark thing.
And to get a divorce from a narcissistthat has cocaine addiction
and is like, totally abusive, like Jax,I think is like incredible television.
It's incredible.Yeah. So it's a real documentary.

(46:39):
My friend is going through a divorceright now and
I yeah,I also haven't really experienced it.
So I'm I'm just trying to be therefor whoever I can, but I don't really know
what to do other than be there to hang outand be an ear.
And it's weird.
It's a it's a weird thing to go through.

(47:01):
Not me.
I'm not me personally.
I mean, like
in a relationship as a as a. Yeah.
And to like, be an observerand to watch it ends.
I mean, I met her prettier.
Like I met her
pretty early on.
I don't know her husband that well now.
Ex or separated.
So it's a little bit easier for me,but it's weird.
It's weird,

(47:22):
it's weird. And I'm.
And I know that there's, like,
so many different reasonspeople get a divorce like that.
They're not all screamingmatches and flipping furniture.
So this is a very extreme case.
But I I'll say it again,I think that because the crew is there
because Brittany had producers to callwhen it got too far for her,

(47:44):
and they stepped in and helpedand they called like Jackson's sister.
And she stepped in and helped and like,because she had those people to go to.
I really do think that filming the showhas saved her life,
and it gave her a space and a channeland income to have the courage to do it.
So like, all these people are like,why didn't you move home

(48:04):
to your family in Kentuckyif it was so bad,
why are you still tryingto be on the show? It's like
the little
minded human she's builta life in, like little minded human.
She's about the life and career now.
Like, that's where she makes money.
So she can't just pack it all up.
I know, and they're trying to saythat she's like, a fame whore for.

(48:25):
And that she deserves.
She deservespart of this because of like that.
She has this career.
I'm like, she came from Hooters.
I'm so like, this is way.
But this is way better than working inrestaurants as a server.
Like Jax also was a serverlike these people are sure
they're taking a joband it comes with fame,
but at the same timeit's like no one deserves abuse.

(48:48):
And and having this stuffaround your children, I'm
pretty convinced that like if, if any
person on the street, any of us
went on a reality showand had had our lives
displayed for a decade, we'dprobably all become Kristen.
Yeah, or just like some.
It's like if we're like,we would be unwell and

(49:11):
either like a fame whoreor emotionally unstable or narcissistic
or like, you just don't live your lifenormally after that.
Yeah. It's tough.
It's it'sliterally like a ten year documentary.
And I think it's I think it's fascinatingand I love it so much
now that I've that's why that's whythat's a favorite moment for mine.

(49:31):
And I know it needed lots of asterisks,but major in the now I've been watching
this show so much Vanderpump, so muchthat these people are not real people.
To me, this is a
12 year longsoap opera and they're just characters.
And I keep forgetting
that they're real people with livesand they're not characters.

(49:53):
Yeah, no, you're right, they aren't.
I mean, in the sense they are characters,because when they step in front
of the camera, they are choosing tothey stand behind what they're doing.
Like Britney's out theredoing happy promo about this season.
And it's kind of dark like she's on WatchWhat Happens Live and she's talking about
how she's just spilling the fucking beans.

(50:13):
She doesn't care. She's like,what do you want to know Andy?
She's basically like, what do you want?
No, she said something like somethingwe all knew that Jax in
this is coming up later.
But like Jackson, Brittany baillike the day of travel to stasis
wedding in Italy.
After they RSVP that they're comingand it's this whole thing,
and they find out that he never gotthe passports, and people are like, oh,

(50:36):
so Brittany's like, yeah, we didn'twe didn't go.
Someone asks, like, have you talked tohas you talked to Stassi since,
you know everything that happened,she's like, no,
I haven't, but we've seen each other
and we've been cordial and sweet,like at events, like we're
we're in the same group and it's all good,but we're not like friends.
And then Andy's like, is the reasonyou guys didn't go to Stacy's wedding.

(50:58):
Start with a letter J andand with an ax and she's like, yes,
there's plenty more to say on that.
And I was like, oh, so everyone's like,running amok going like,
is itbecause he couldn't get cocaine in Italy?
Is it because, you know, like,what's the reason that Jackson
want to go to Stassi and Bo'sItalian wedding?
Is it because it would be betterthan his wedding if she does marry Beau?

(51:20):
I just met Beau, I love him.
You do?
Your face says he does.
Yeah, yeah. She married. Good. Sorry. No.
That's okay.
I feel like I saw somethingmaybe on her Instagram.
Yeah.
Vanderpump Villa season two is.
No. I like getting married in the villa.
Okay. So what's another favorite momentyou have?
My other favorite moment is where we gotto hear the voice of one Sheena Shay.

(51:44):
On on.
Because Michelle let it slip or didn'tlet it slip.
She very. Faheem Lee told Jesse.
Well, you poignantly,you're a girl that you're backing.
It's fucking someone else. How about that?
And then he says, oh yeah, this was alsothis is also a favorite moment of mine.
And I was like,
Michelle and Jesse are fighting aboutthe days are days with their daughter.

(52:07):
Like, Jesse comes, she comes in the house,her old house, and Jesse's like,
I've updated the schedule againbecause you have a problem with travel.
And she's like, well, I haven't traveled,but you've gone on for trips
in the last month
and it's like this.
He's just so patronizing and he's justlooking to get her rattled up.
And it's like, and they're both.

(52:28):
Which what I love about it is how brave.
And I'm going to say this,I love how brave
Michelle and Jesse are being.
It's like they are both a heights.
As much as Michelle seems passiveand like shellshocked right now,
I think like her marriage withJesse has like blown her back a few steps.
I think they are both a types

(52:49):
and they're both like very drivenand ambitious people.
And I do think that there is a
like choicethat when they come into these scenes
with each other,that they are both going to give it 120%
because they both want thisto be like their career now.
Yeah.
And so
they both agree to do these crazy scenesand they have these crazy discussions.

(53:13):
And it's literallythey're triggering each other.
Jesse starts cryingbecause he wants the kid on a holiday,
even though they've agreed that it'sMichelle's year for the holidays.
He starts crying and she starts going,you love to cry.
You're just crying because you want peopleto feel bad for you.
You're just cryingbecause it means like, no,
I'm not like,like literally crocodile cheering.

(53:34):
And then she goes,well, let's talk about something.
How embarrassing your girlfriend isbecause she's sleeping with other people
and he literally just, like, changesgears.
Jesse, I don't think any of his emotion at
the time is realbecause he literally shifts gears.
He's no longer upset, and he calmly goes,he goes, where's it?
Who'sthis friend? I'll call them right now.

(53:56):
And she goes, know?
And then he goes, and then she's like,and he's like, okay, well, let's call her.
And then in the confessional, he's like,I don't really know, Sheena.
We just helped herby her house in the valley,
which is so she is so smart.
She's like, I want to be on the valley.
Is there a realtor on the cast,Jesse and Michelle?
Yeah, I'm gonna hire themto help me buy my house in the valley.

(54:17):
My favorite. She's just seen it.
Yeah. Claws are.
My favorite part was when she said, yeah,some guy from Baywatch.
And my first thought was,
what are we talking about?
The original show.
The movie is you're talking about ZacEfron.
Is she talking about Baywatch? Hawaii?
Is she talking about Jason Momoa?
Who is it?

(54:37):
Well, I know who did you.
Yes. This is why I don't want to tell youto get TikTok,
because it'll take over your life.
And that's like,I can just tell you what's on TikTok.
But I posted a TikTok the moment
I saw this episodeand I said, who's the guy from Baywatch?
Which literally verbatim, same question.
Which one are we talking about?
Are we talking about theare we talking about the movie, the show?

(55:02):
And then I had, someone follow upand tell me who it was.
It's, David Chavi you're going to sayDavid and here I'll send you a screenshot.
Right now,they're gonna say David Hasselhoff.
No, it's not Hoff Efron.
Those guys don't live in Orange County.
But this guy does.
He's in his 50sand he's recently divorced, so

(55:23):
it's actually a perfect storm.
And he looks so hot for his age.
That's him. When he was on Baywatch.The show.
Okay. Yeah.
But now he's just,like, jacked in his 50s. Sure.
Well that's tough.
That's tough to hear.
So if you don't follow me on TikTokand you want to be involved in these
discussions right off the bat, my TikTokand Instagram username is Filmmaker.

(55:43):
Or you can just look up LindsaySaint, Lauren.
But yeah, we I broke that like within.
I love the internet.
Within 24 hours we had we knew who was.
And my favorite quote that he sayswhich just tells you everything
in his mindset of what he thinksit means to be a good father and husband.
He says, I didn't cheat on her.

(56:04):
I didn't lie to her.
Yeah, maybe I was a shitty husband,but I didn't hurt her.
So why is she actively trying to hurt me?
I think being a shitty husbandwould probably ever hurt her.
Jesse. God, these men are idiots.
These guys have.
No, they actually don't care at allabout their partners.
And they're just like.

(56:27):
They just don't give a shit.
And their dog's name is Malibu,which is really upsetting to me.
That's not a good dog name.
What happened to Luke's dog, Jill?
How's Jill doing?

(56:50):
Wait, I want to tell you I was. Hi.
The second time I watched this episode,and I came up with a conspiracy theory.
Okay,
so my conspiracy theoryis that Michelle and Jesse,
because they're such hard workersand they're so ambitious, and they're like
that, neither of them have really workedin real estate for, like, the last year.

(57:10):
Like there's no announcements of themselling homes or anything like that.
Okay?
I believe that they have actually
have come to an agreement to like,respectfully disrespect
each other at all coststo keep the cameras on.

(57:30):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, I firmly believethat they actually both like,
after two weeks didn't give a shitabout being with each other at all.
And they're quite happy, but they're likeextending and choosing to trigger
each other because like, let's be real,why is why why does Jesse go
and invite Michelle and her new boyfriendto this next this upcoming trip?

(57:55):
Like, why does why do they keep showing upfor these scenes
and they're not talkingthrough their attorneys? Why?
Yeah, why?
It's like they're both pursuing.
They're making they'rethey're both pursuing the cash part
of being a professional realitystar professionally.
And they're,they're happy to use each other for it.
And I kind of think that they're fine.

(58:15):
They they actually don't hate each otherthat much. They kind of love it.
Yeah.
No, I buy that.
I think that would be.
That'd be the end of my conspiracy theory.
I think it'd be kind of sickif that was real, but I don't believe it.
I think that they're sick enough to do it.
Like,I feel like they're such business people.
They're like, let's call a spade a spade,and let's just make this some good TV.

(58:39):
Let's make all the money that I lost.
That was me being Jesse.
It was Jesse.
Let's make that call.
Okay. What's another favorite momentyou have?
Oh, my last super moment was,Zach's FaceTime with Benji,
his boyfriend,who I forgot is still married.
And, like,
they FaceTime because he has all thesegreen card issues and and stuff like that.

(59:03):
Or with his
citizenship and, I don't know, I'm
kind of leaning back againtowards his hair being fake because
even if it's not fake,his hair is two different colors.
The top is much darker than the sides,and I just don't.
I just don't get it, and I didn'tI wasn't enjoying the haircut,
so that's all I really took awayfrom that scene.

(59:24):
I'm happy for him, but,it kind of ties in
with my second shocking moment.
I don't knowif you want me to say that too, but
I just I'm really over the gays saying
we met on a dating app with air quoteslike, come on, just say you met on Grindr.
Who cares?

(59:45):
Just say you went to get your rocks offand you were like,
oh wait, this person who got merocks off is kind of interesting and cool.
I just I don'tlike the shame of surrounding Grindr.
Am I on it?
No, but that'sbecause I don't like myself right now.
But the second I dropa little bit of weight, I'm
going to be swallowing the neighborhood.Okay?
You're going to swallow the neighborhood?

(01:00:06):
Not really, but I got my tonsils out.
So that'll be my like opening
line is like, hey,there's a lot more room back there.
Did you do you still have a gag reflex?
I don't I haven't tried it out.
I when I brush my teeth.
Now let's try it right now.Stick your hand in your mouth.
As far as you know.
Let's see what. Have a spoon right here.
Okay. Perfect.
Are we actually doing this?Okay, wait. Hang on.

(01:00:28):
Yes. Spoons. Old.
I just want to see.
We're just going to test it.
Because if you're playing this
all the neighborhoodbecause you are tonsil free,
but you still have a gag reflex andyou have some work to do in the meantime.
I do have a bunch of popsicles.
I could,I could for my leftover from tonsil time.
Maybe I should practice on them.
Let's see the spoon, then. Give it a shot.

(01:00:48):
Okay, well, this spoon is.
It's like hardened.
So let me get a different spoons. You.
Know, one.
Oh my goodness.
Okay,
I don't know.
See, how about a knifethat feels like sword swallower?
That's dangerous.

(01:01:09):
Okay.
I cannot believe I'm doing this for you.
I can, we got to figure out where you're.
You know,you're working towards something.
Okay.
What?
Okay.
Trigger warning for thosewho have a weak gag reflex,
maybe skip ahead 15 seconds.

(01:01:29):
Okay, here we go.
Oh, my God, I went back pretty far.
Okay, can you touch the back here?
I did.
Touch the hanging.
The. Yep.
There it is.
Okay, so now we know your limitations.
I gotI haven't tested this since my surgery.

(01:01:50):
Thank you.
Oh my God. Yeah. My. Wow.
Yeah.
So much more room back toI have a very I can't.
And look at the head of this spoon.
I can't do it
anymore.
My eyes are wandering a little bitbut oh I still want to gag afterwards
when I would, when I would brush my teeth,I would, I would gang on my toothbrush

(01:02:10):
and now I don't.
That's beautiful.
See you. Oh, my God, you're ready.
So anyway, case or gays in this,
just don't worry about using Grindr,okay?
If you meet someoneon Grindr. Don't be ashamed.
Yeah,if you're proud enough to go meet them,
you're proud enoughto just say the name that you're doing.
Maybe he didn't, but you know what?
Maybe he didn't want to promote the appfor free on the show.

(01:02:34):
Oh, okay.
That's fair,
but I know it was brand herebecause that's the one
that we're all ashamed of,because we all feel gross and dirty
when we we don't even say hi or like,learn to the name.
And then you
do some things and then you go home.
Yeah.
And also because I think that they latertalk about how, he showed up to Luke

(01:02:56):
and Kristen's with him like two hoursafter they met for the first time.
And oh my God.
That was my shocking moment.
But I was like,you knew him for two hours
and you just liedand said, you do it for three weeks.
That's kind of shady.You really don't know that person.
That's amazing.
It's just funny that he wouldn'tjust, like, be honest about it.

(01:03:19):
Yeah. Just be like and be like,yeah, we just met. We just.
We just blurted all over each other.
And now I brought him into your home.
Okay, great.
Well, my.
I'll finish my favorite moment,and then I'll go into my shocking moment,
since you're already treaded ininto the territory.
But my favorite moment waswhen Zach came over and Zach

(01:03:40):
brought Brittany flowers and takeout
and was like being there for her and,like, let crews come up and say hi to him.
And then they wentand put their feet in the pool,
even though he just got a spray tan.
Oh, right.That was very big of him to do that. Yeah,
it was really big of him.
Like he's a great friend,even though him and Brittany
haven't been the closest since last yearwith the whole Janet and the,

(01:04:03):
demonic behavior of it allsaying that he wanted, oh, allegedly
saying he wanted her to lose her baby,according to Janet.
I like loved that when Brittanywas still having like a real life
human moment, Zach didn't hesitateand he was there
and they could talk about their issueswith each other.
I think that was when I actuallyand he talked about the grinder thing.

(01:04:24):
But yeah, that was that was really nice.
He's he's a good friend.
I forget that they were bothfrom the small town of Kentucky.
So they have a lot of history.
Yeah.
He moved like four months after her orfour weeks after her or something to LA.
I love that.
Okay,so now we'll move on to our moments.
That shocked us, but I've already I'vealready covered all my shocking moments.

(01:04:47):
My first one was him saying that he likeswomen that look like Brittany.
The second.
The second one was the grinder thing,and the third one was just the entire
intervention breakdown ending.
Yeah, that was that was shocking.
The whole intervention was shocking.
I went a little bit more specific.
And my first oneis that Michelle and Jesse's

(01:05:10):
kid said, I love you to Michelle'snew boyfriend on the phone.
Wait, I missed that. Really?
She was in the backseat of the car,and Michelle, like,
there was a confessionalwith Jesse saying something,
and then the editors were really shady,
and they cut to Michelletalking to someone on the phone who?
Oh, it was like it was.
And it was like we thought it was Jesse.

(01:05:31):
And then she said, I love you.
I love you on the phone.
And then we find out it's Aaron.
Wow. So I thought that was kind ofshocking because, like,
why do you think she hasn't beenthat? You think she's a bitch
just of a little girl?
I'm just joking. Just the little girl?
No. But it just shows that, like,

(01:05:51):
this guy is involved in her life,and they're not even, like, divorced yet.
Giving stepdad.
Yeah,
yeah.
So it's just a little fast for me.
And the second one
I am flaggingas the demonic behavior of the episode.
Apparently just sex.

(01:06:11):
Demonic behavior.
That's demonic behavior.
Demonic demonic.
Demonic demonic demonic.
Okay.

(01:06:32):
Demonic behavior.
I am now creating a segmentwhere every episode of the Valley,
I'm going to highlight Janet'sdemonic behavior.
It's not necessarily Janet,
but it's like what Janet would calldemonic demonic behavior.
And in my shocking moment
that I'm flagging as the demonic behaviorof episode two, season two of The Valley,

(01:06:55):
it was
hearing that Jax puts downBrittany's appearance so much
that all of their friends have witnessedit and have, like,
been a part or presentwhen he's talking about her body
or telling her to be a good mom,
and we get much more into itin the aftershow.

(01:07:15):
But the fact that they're talking about
what Jax says to Brittany about herbody is disgusting
and in my opinion, truedemonic behavior of the devil
and then my third most shocking momentthat I want to address,
which is very shocking, is that

(01:07:36):
Zach's floors are so dirty
that Benjy wears shower
shoes in the houselike he's in a prison shower.
That's yeah, that's pretty bad.
And Zach also has a roommate. Oof!
So now I have lots of questions, like,I want to meet Zach's roommate,
and because he's probably really crazy.

(01:07:57):
Yeah, and how are they goingto cohabitate? The three of them,
they must be.
He must be moving out to a new place,I don't know,
do you want to talkabout the aftershow? Please?
All right, so on the Valley two,after our episode two
aftershow, we got a lot more juice.
These after shows are turning outto be almost more
controversial and juicythan the actual show.

(01:08:20):
And it's a great little update of,like, well, here's the Wire.
That what that situation is now,I love that.
Yeah, yeah.
And but yet still before the reunion.
So it's just going to be a big old mess.
So one of the firstwe start with Thong Gate
and we talk about this thong with a babywipe.
Vile.
Yeah vile I do now what do you Thomas.

(01:08:43):
What do you think?Where did the thong come from?
I don't know, the baby wipe is.
That is what I think is more diabolical.
Because it means someone eithertried to pick it up and left it there.
She, the woman, gave hersuch a such a cushy wipe, which I respect.
Or. No, that's all I can think of.
It's pretty gross.

(01:09:04):
I think it I think it came in.
I tell you what I think this is. Please.
I do think Jax left it there on purpose.
Same. Yeah.
I don't believe thatany woman in her right mind
is leavinga coochie wipe out on the counter.
Yeah,
I do believe thatthere are people out there

(01:09:27):
looking to get ripples of attentionfrom these people.
So there is a worldwhere this person left it there
so that the wife or Brittany,who they know it, they know Jax, his wife,
if they're sleeping with Jax,they know his wife
if they're leaving it thereso that she knows that they were there.
Like there's a world where women are like,I'm leaving a fingernail.

(01:09:47):
I'm leaving a hair tie.
I'm leaving a Bobby pinso that the the a lip
gloss in a drawer,a thong, the know someone was there.
But I my gut, my gut tells me that Jack
set this whole thing up because he thoughtit would be great for TV.
He was trying to provoke her,and he his stupid ego, like he wanted

(01:10:10):
to look like he's getting chicksand he wanted it shown on the show.
But he also wanted to get a reaction
out of Brittanybecause he thinks he's a producer.
Even after getting beat up for the
to Beyonce Caribbean rum.

(01:10:31):
But oh okay.
One thing I have to point out,
I pointed this out on my TikToksif you follow me on TikTok.
Already saw it,
but there's a moment where Jax iswhat I'm calling confessing light lit.
He's confessing light to sayinghorrible things about Brittany
in her appearance, and he's saying, like,everyone says bad things.

(01:10:51):
Everyone gets in fightswith their partners.
It goes two ways. Two people are fighting.
And yeah,sometimes you say things you don't mean,
or sometimes you see bad thingsto each other.
Basically, that's his response to,like you, you're calling your wife fat,
you're criticizing her stretchmarksand stuff after she had your child.
You're crazy. And Schwartz,
one of
the Vanderpump cast members that hasseeped their way into the aftershow

(01:11:15):
along with Brock, Sheenaand Lala is completely disassociating,
so he is looking off offcamera and he's not moving.
He's like frozen.
I don't know if he's frozen cuz
he doesn't want Jax Taylor to see himthere and doesn't want him to pull him
into the conversation, or
if he's just trying not to move a muscleso that there's nothing to give the camera

(01:11:36):
so the camera doesn't cut to him,but they still do.
And he's just sitting there
silent, and I'm like, how can this guy
Schwartz hasit deserves to be blamed as much
as Sandoval and Jax for half of the shit,because he's just such an accomplice.
He's there for all of it,and if you are trying to tell me
that Schwartz wasn't sitting in the roomwhen Jax is criticized, Brittany's body

(01:11:59):
in front of like,
I just don't believe itand didn't and didn't say anything and no.
And of course he did. He did. Exactly.We did in that moment.
Yeah. He just looks off like,oh, I'm not paying attention.
I'm just as watchwhat happens as podcasts.
But everybody listens to,I would say like, oh, I'm a sweet boy.
I don't say anything bad. I'm just a boy.
I'm just a little boy.

(01:12:20):
Yeah, like they do this whole thingwhere Schwartz is just a boy.
So, I will say Shep does the same thingin Southern Charm, but,
when Jax is, you know,giving his bullshit
in his confessing light, he dropsa really, really beautiful phrase.
Which brings usto our segment. Bravo wisdom

(01:12:41):
sama.
Oh, bravo.
Wisdom.
Of men.

(01:13:09):
Great.
And the first and what Jax says is,
you know, sometimes informationgets lost in communication,
and he says, sometimesI think things can be misconstrued.
It some other
misconstrued it, misconstrued it.

(01:13:32):
Yeah, I think that's
a strutted misconstrued it.
The word is misconstrued.
But, you know, he just hehe might not know that.
And then this isI think, oh, he does now he does.
And this is also when Lala says
the narcissist does wonders when he's on
display for any.

(01:13:56):
Oh, you.
Which that was actually kindof oh, piece of wisdom.
That'sa, that's a good piece of bravo wisdom.
Then we and then we take a journey backin time.
As I as I watch Vanderpumpfor the first time, I can drop some
other Bravo wisdom for you.

(01:14:18):
In season season one, episode three, Tom
Sandoval says, what doesn't killyou makes you stronger.
You know, like radiation.
You know,
if you.

(01:14:39):
It's season four, episode 16.
Kristen says through therapy,I've learned to not be so confrontational.
But getting in Ariana's face right nowis going to be really therapeutic.
You know, being.
That should be on a t shirt.

(01:15:00):
Yeah. Right.
And finally,something I think that we should adopt
in our everydaylives, season five, episode 20.
When they're in, I believe it'sit sounds like the Bible.
It really does. Seasonfive episode verse 20.
Season five, verse 20 I think they're inthe Hawaii maybe, or Mexico.
She says,this water is dinging my diamond.

(01:15:23):
This zero.
You know what?
They're in Lake Tahoe.
They're they're, they're too big.
So I want to use that
in my everyday phrase, like,this water is dinging my diamond.
This meeting that we're having,it's dinging my diamond.

(01:15:46):
It's dinging my diamond.
Yeah.
I just want us to to bring thatinto our everyday vernacular.
And that is bravo, wisdom, wisdom,
wisdom, wisdom.
Some,
Oh, bravo.

(01:16:10):
Wisdom.
Them.
Man is you.

(01:16:38):
There was one moment in the aftershowwhere I agreed with Janet,
and I think it's the first timeI've agreed with Gemma.
When was that?
Janet says he still doesn't
have the panic of rock bottom,and I couldn't agree more.
Jax definitely hasn't hit rock bottom.
That is.
That is crazy.
That it's crazy that he that he has itbecause he.

(01:16:58):
How could he he see he's got the house.
He's still in denial.
He's got tons of women coming in andvalidating him and like sleeping with him.
He just opened a bar,just opened a business, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, he'sdefinitely not hit rock bottom.
He doesn't care about his kid or his wife.
Like this whole I'm doing it for cruisething is such bullshit, right?

(01:17:24):
Because you know what I noticed?
There's no B-roll.
They're cutting two of himever playing with his kid.
Every single time we cut to Brittany,she's playing dinosaurs.
She's swimming with with the kid.
Like, all of her B-roll is with Cruz.
And there's no B-roll
of Jax with Cruz ever in episode three.

(01:17:46):
I think when they like,when they have food and they're talking
and he.
Cruz just, like,keeps climbing up onto her.
He just wants to be with her.
And then she starts getting emotionalabout it.
Really sweet.
I noticed something really importantin this episode of the aftershow.
What?
And now I don't know how I noticed itbecause I have only watched this episode

(01:18:06):
once, but I caught it.
Do you remember the
storyline of Jasonthat I'm sure it's coming.
Jason not wearing his wedding ringwhen he's out and about?
Yeah,it was on the preview for the season,
so I think his hand was on his legand they were crossed,
and I sawthat underneath his wedding ring.

(01:18:27):
He has a ring tattoo now
so he can never take off his wedding ring.
Isn't that crazy?
In the aftershowhe does in the aftershow, you have to.
You have to go back and look for it.
You are so observant.
I'm going to go and find video footageand put it on this TikTok right now.
You have to.

(01:18:47):
Yeah. Make. Yeah.
Cut this clip, clip it. Honey.
Amazing.
Yeah I was I was like,oh I can't take that one off.
I bet that was a,
deal breaker.
I think it's really importantthat we talk about if Benji has a job.
Oh, wait, does he have a job?
How would you. Yeah.
Oh, is he coming out for a month and goingback to Canada and coming back again?

(01:19:11):
How is he doing any of that?
Does he have a job?
A lot of people work remote now.
That's true.
Yeah, but I don't know.
Do any of these people have a job?
That's what I'm thinking aboutin Vanderpump season seven
I they have all these little businesses.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
In the episode I just washed,Kristen is relaunching James May.

(01:19:33):
And I thought, wait a second.
In the Valley,she just relaunched James May.
Is this a re relaunch of James May?
And the answer isyeah James May James May never leaves.
It just goes away temporarily. Okay.
And there's nothing worse.
There's nothing better than a rebrand.
And I think Jax and Brittanyafter they got engaged
have decidedthey're going to make mama's beer cheese,

(01:19:55):
which I don't thinkhas seen the light of day either.
Listenif you're going to be a bravolebrity
and you're not already filthy rich,
then you need to becapitalizing on this space
and have some kind of a productor business going because, like,
this thing doesn't last forever, you know,and you want to
be engaging with your audience andyou want them to be able to support you.

(01:20:18):
I think after Katie Maloneyand Ariana like, brought in,
like what, over $120,000 in t shirtsales during Sandoval.
Wow,that helped fund their sandwich shop.
Oh my God, I,I think that, like, you would be an idiot
to not tryto get something off the ground.
Now, where it gets hilariousis the things that these people choose.

(01:20:41):
What do they choose to put onas their thing?
Is it authentic to their brand?
Is it stupid and junky?
Is it like Walter Goggins of The WhiteLotus coming out with like, sunglasses?
Like, what the hell is that?
Like these weird 90s sunglasses
he calls Goggins goggles.
I'm like, I don't, I don't I'm sorry.

(01:21:03):
If anyone listening is a huge WalterGoggins fan.
I know half of these women probably are.My friends are.
I just think it's like, tacky.
Or something elseI want to talk about, though.
Jesse says that Michelle moved inwith her boyfriend and didn't tell him
until afterwards.
And I wanted to ask you, Thomas,if you were divorced or divorcing
Jesse Lolli, would you tell him thatyou were moving in with your new partner?

(01:21:27):
Probably not, I would say.
I would tell him after the factso that he couldn't
try to change my mind,or try to make it stop from happening.
It's shit.
I just of courselike why he's complaining about it
and it does seem a little off.
But like, honestly, I wouldn'ttell him anything about my life.

(01:21:49):
Like no,
he's looking for any way to hurt Michelle.
Possible she can't tell him her livingsituation, but also they have a kid.
So it's like this weird
footing of what do you do?
Yeah, I think you have to tell him, right?
Cause he's the father.
I don't know, I guess because you're doingthis to know where to pick her up.
Yeah,I don't know. It's weird. It's weird.

(01:22:11):
And then finally, before we finish this,
this little debrief of the aftershow,Sheena is labeled the gossip queen.
And what a title.
I want that title.
And if any of these side hustlesdon't work out, we could just
they could just sell their freePR that they get on eBay like Jax does

(01:22:32):
is not to be to be done.
But ready to talk about episode three?
I sure am.
All right,
well, everyone's shocked and doesn'tbelieve that Jax went somewhere for help.
I'm not going to call it a rehab facilitybecause it wasn't.
It was a mental health facility.
The first one he went to.

(01:22:53):
And, but it kind of tells youwhat everyone thinks about him.
Like the fact that Zach is like,
I want to see it, to believe it,that Jasmine's shocked.
They're all shocked.
Yeah. And
and not assuming a perspective
about how the group sees himand what they think about him.
Yeah.

(01:23:15):
Jumping into my favorite,
my first favorite moment of the episode.
I touched on it in the last onea little bit, but
Jason has never been hotter than drivingJax to therapy.
Yeah, and it was great to see the girlsshow up and rally around
Britney and comfort her and feed her.
Yeah, it was really

(01:23:35):
nice and their food looked really good.
Yeah, they've been getting good takeout.
I've been drinking Britneysome good takeout.
Fuck a casserole.
Britney being like, why can't.
She was recently on her podcastand she was like,
why can't I be the type of single girlthat loses all the weight?
And and then I she's talkingto like Michelle and Michelle's like,

(01:23:58):
you're eitheryou're either one or the other.
You either eat your feelingsor you starve them.
And she's like, well, I can't starve them.
Was that so?
Was that British person Michelle?
It was like a robot.
Oh, she was kind of a robot voice,like a devoid empty shell person.

(01:24:21):
Oh, I don't know.
I'll work on the impression. No,it was good.
I like Brittany, so, Yeah, Ithis is better than a casserole.
So I'm down. Better than a casserole?
Yeah. And.
Yeah.
So it's nice to see. It's nice to see thatthey're all coming together.
But Jason Jason's armsdid pop a little bit more
when he got back to the houseafter dropping him off at therapy.

(01:24:45):
Oh, yeah.
It's it's good. It's good stuff.
I think his arms lookbetter than Jesse's in this episode.
You know, I'm gonna have to go back.
You need to go back.
I don't know if it's because he'swearing an olive green shirt
and that that's more of his season.
So, like, he's wearing, like,a really well fitted shirt.
He looks good.
Like, he definitely put thoughtinto the look for the scenes today.

(01:25:06):
And it shows.
Another.
Oh, and something to note then.
This moment toois Michelle tells Brittany to
file tomorrow and don't look back.
Oh yeah, andI thought that was really good advice.
And Brittany should have done that.
She should have filed ithonestly, not just filed for divorce,

(01:25:27):
but filed the restraining whatever.
Yeah, the restraining order against himand full custody because I am worried.
I am worried about where it's going to go.
And I am worried about the off season.
And I am worried because he's
he clearly isn't dealing withlike his anger issues or anything.
He just thinks it's all cocaine addiction.

(01:25:49):
So I'm worried.
I am still worried about her safety.
When they were talking abouthow people have said
that Luke looks like Vincent van Gogh,
and he totally does.
I think he looks like in the promo,in the new promo that we just saw,
because there's new opening titlesthat started on episode two.
I think he looks likehe came off of the show.

(01:26:10):
Farmer wants a wife, farmer wants a wave.
The gay one.
No, see the gay one?
Oh wait, it's not funny momentslike it's like there's a kanika.
There's a Canadian one where, one of them's gay.
Yeah, well, there's three.I haven't seen that one.
But I do think he looks likean Amish person or vendor.
A farmer wants a wifewith this weird beard rounded beard thing.

(01:26:31):
He has no opening credits.
Yeah, I listen, listen,if I was going to get married to Kristen,
I cut off my ear to, oh.
Am I right,
ladies, with the juicethat Kristen's bringing home?
I mean, okay. Another episode.
Another thing I really liked from
the episode is that Jesse has a tea partywith tons of croissants.

(01:26:55):
And I love croissants.
And Kristen offers to help himplan, their trip to Santa Abbey,
aka Santa Barbara.
And Kristen is way too happy to help,and she knows what she's doing.
And this leads me into that.
Was that the one time I, I'm sorry.

(01:27:16):
What was that.
The part where he talked aboutlike all the problems he had with
with Aaron and Michelleand says the pieces of shit and then goes,
so anyway, we're playing trans Tripto Santa Barbara and they are invited.
Yeah, yeah.
Same meeting. Yeah. Okay.
And I love itthat he's inviting them both.
And I just think that alpha maleJesse is just looking for

(01:27:37):
any momentto have a physical fight with this guy.
Oh, yeah.
Like, I think Jesse is inviting him,because if he comes,
he wants to physicallyfight him in a house that he rented. Yes.
And this now leads me into something
I a teachable moment for anyone out therewho wants to be in reality TV.

(01:28:00):
Welcome to class, boys and girls.
Today I'm going to teach youthe three rules of being a reality star.
If you follow these rules,you are sure to succeed in your endeavor
of being a great reality star.
Okay, okay, great.
That's great.That was me being a boys and girls.
First rule is to say how you feeland don't think about it.

(01:28:24):
Just say it.
Oh yeah. Definitely don't.
They don't think about it. Just say it.
Reactivity is key.
In good and bad ways.
Yeah. Be defensive.
You right two.
Oh if you are not the pinnacleof the drama you must pick a side.
And you need to be firm and clearabout what side you are on.

(01:28:47):
And a great example isthis is Kristen going to Jesse's tea party
and even offering to help plan the weekendaway trip
with him,because she's such a great at it.
So is Team Jesse.
There's no clear way to pick a side,and we see it later in the episode
because it gets past through the grapevinethat Kristen's helping Jesse

(01:29:08):
plan the weekend.
Which tells it
she's drawing a line in the sand,which is great, especially because
last season I feel like Kristen feltreally out casted, like she only had Luke.
So it's nice that she can team up withsomeone as despicable as Jesse, you know?
Yeah.
And create this rivalry with Michelleand three the third rule

(01:29:30):
of being a great reality star is forgive
easily, but never forget.
Yeah.
And there is there is a little bitmore nuance to this rule.
It is a little bit morefor a experienced reality star.
But you want to be ableto forgive your cast mates
and you want to go into scenes with them

(01:29:50):
and you want to show that you'retrying to grow and improve, but
you can recall some of that past historyif you want, in a future season.
You know, preferablywhen emotions are high.
Bring up what they did to you years ago
against themand you will see the masters do this.
You'll see a Kyle Richards do this.

(01:30:11):
You'll see a Lisa Vanderpump do this.
You'll see a Stassi do this.
And I think Kristen is goingto easily adapt into doing this later
in the season or next season.
So, these are the three rulesof being a great reality star.
And if you listen to me, a realityTV master, you too can be successful.

(01:30:34):
It's genius of
Christina to do this,and she knows exactly what she's doing.
And her smile, ear to ear,is telling us everything.
Each of them.
And then my final favorite thingfrom the episode
that I really liked is that Luke tellsDanny he's planning a proposal.
Oh yeah.
And it's the first person that he's toldthat he's planning a proposal.
That was sweet.

(01:30:56):
Okay,so before Luke and Danny were talking
and Danny tells Luke about this20 person boys chat, boys group chat,
which to mesounds like an absolute nightmare.
A group chat of 20 people alone.
It sounds like a nightmare, but 20 men
anyway.
So Jesse, Danny tells Luke thatJesse posted on there

(01:31:18):
that Michelle is sleepingwith a billionaire for $1,500 a night,
which yes, she could be getting on my.
This was on my shocking.
Shocking. Yes, I think so.
My favorite momentwas when Luke tells this information
to Kristen and Brittany and Zach,and Brittany says the line,
so while you're Jesse,

(01:31:42):
that's my favorite part,
I swear. Jesse.
So while you're Jesse.
Hello. Hi.
Hi, Thomas, it's Luke.
Oh, wait, wait.
Hello? Is this Thomas?
Hi, Thomas, this is Luke. Hi, Luke.
I was just callingbecause I wanted to tell you

(01:32:06):
that I hate games of telephone,but it's really important
that I share somethingwith Brittany and Michelle and Chris.
Who did he tell a who'sthere at BJ's or Kristen?
Kristen, Brittany and,
Zach. Great.
It's really important that I tell youguys.

(01:32:26):
Hey, telephone. Did I say that? You did.
But I think it's really important thatI tell you guys that I heard from Danny,
that he read in a group chat of 20 menthat,
that primary role is the same as FightClub.
That, that Michelle
is sleeping with a billionaire for $1,500a night.

(01:32:48):
Right.
So I just wanted to tell you,I do hate telephone,
but it was really important for meto tell you guys that Danny told me
that he read in a group chat of 20 guys,
that Jesse said this.
Okay, but you do hate telephone.
That's right.Thank you. I'll talk to you soon. But.

(01:33:10):
Oh my God, Luke, what do you meanyou hate me?
What do you mean, you hate games?
The telephone.
You just.
You just played telephone
as a way.
You're.
And also that.
So that transitions me to my shock.My shirt.
One of my shocking moment,one of my shocking moments is that

(01:33:31):
Danny.
Okay, I think Danny knows what he's doing.
I think Danny going to Luke and sayingthis on camera is intentional because they
they identify that Luke and Jason
both have Android phones,so they're not in the group chat.
Is it time for another PSA?
What's your PSA, dude?

(01:33:52):
Are you saying it? Android phones?
I have a PSA, but it's it's different.
Should we have a do I have a PSA?
I just I just want to say to all the PSA,hey, hey du du
du du du du du dudu du du du du du du du du du du du du du.
This will be a PSA, a.

(01:34:22):
Do I hate it
when a group chat turns greenbecause of one Android user?
Yeah, but I'm not going to,like, shun that person out of my life.
And I'm not going to shame themfor having an android.
Do I sometimes think thatsome Android users
have a superiority complexfor still holding out against Apple? Yes.

(01:34:43):
Do I think that it's a coincidencethat Jason is one of these people?
No, I do not.
So just wanted to put that out there.
You have an android.
Good for you, but don't make ityour prime thing that you leave.
It's a personality trait for them.
Have you noticed, have you noticed?
And I am of the, of the standpointthat if you have one, you're
not in the group chat.

(01:35:04):
It's annoying and it doesn't,and it doesn't work the way it should work
if you're in there.So you're not in there.
Oh yeah.
But because of you and tell you after.
But you're going to missa lot of the good stuff.
Yeah. When the words pop up.So and so like that message.
Oh my god.
Oh my. It's pretty bad.
So it makes sense that he's notthey're not included.
Do I think that they couldeasily get an iPhone.

(01:35:24):
And do I think they have iPads at homeso they could easily be in the chat? Yes.
Do I think that both that both Jasonand Luke are the same type of person
that doesn't want to be involvedin this group chat? Yes.
Yeah.
Especially because Jessie is like you,
we have a rule in this text group and it'syou don't talk about the text group.

(01:35:44):
So, you know, like Jax and Jesse are like
the sheriffs or wardens of the text group.
And when they invite someonein, they tell them the rule, and Danny
is breaking the rule, and Jasonwas just not interested.
I don't think he's going home to aa Microsoft surface.
No, he has an Apple laptop.

(01:36:05):
I think there's just so much going onin that text group from those people
because like that Julian, guys in therelike look at these people
that are in the group so far.
Hey, they're trash.
Yeah, it's trashy shit.
So garbage boysI it makes sense that they're not in it.
And it makes sensethat Danny was a recent addition.
Like probably when they startedthe show, they added him on to it.

(01:36:27):
But Jesse or Danny is not the type of guy
that probably cares about that groupeither.
Hence why he's so shockedwhen he sees something like Jesse saying
that Michelle is getting $1,500 a nightfrom a billionaire to sleep with them,
which is just insane.
That's like,I feel like that's really low.
Not enough money.
Yeah, for a billionaire or whatever.
It's just dumb.
Another shock.

(01:36:48):
Oh, wait,my PSA, I have a PSA two. Did you?
This will be a PSA.

(01:37:09):
Yeah.
My PSA is that people do wear makeupat Runyon.
Lots of people wear makeup at Runyon.
Runyon is in the middle of West Hollywood.
It is a hill.
It is a place to work out.
And there are people working out.
However they are.
I think another podcastI was listening to said
that they're like alreadycarrying 30 pounds of filler.

(01:37:30):
So what's the differenceif they have some concealer and foundation
on, like they're absolutely wearingmakeup, they're taking pictures
and videos on the hill,they're meeting people.
It's like a place to be seeneven though it's working out.
So people are wearing makeup.
Michellewearing makeup to Runyon isn't crazy.

(01:37:52):
This has been a PSA.
Well, that was my shocking momentwhere we learn
the possible investigation into,
how Michelle might have overlappedwith her relationship with Aaron and Jesse
because Jesse's really tryingto build that narrative. Yes.

(01:38:14):
And apparently it's workingaccording to watch.
Watch What Happens live.
And, because she would alwayscome back with some honey
when she was
near Runyon from Aaron's honey business.
Thomas, we need to talk about the honeyinvestigation we did the other night.
A deep dive into the hack. So. Yeah.
So I would call Thomas excitedabout recording today

(01:38:35):
because there's just so muchto talk about.
And I was watching the episode for, like,the third time,
and I caught a major detail that I justdidn't see the scene.
Something happenedlike the other two times
I watched the episode and I didn't.
I heard them talking about it.
I knew it happened,but I didn't see the scene.
So I was like, how did I miss this?
And then we started talkingabout this kilo, honey.

(01:38:56):
And we looked it upand we went to the website
and looked at Kilo Honey and it it's whiteand it looks a little bit like semen.
It's a it has a creamy visage. Yes.
It is a remarkable,
remarkableresemblance in viscosity and viscosity.
Cloudiness.
Yeah.

(01:39:16):
Everything. Yeah. Everything.
And upon further investigationI mean insert clip here of us
discovering itbecause I screen recorded it
because I was so shocked and I was like,oh, I could put this on TikTok.
We discovered that the websitewas marketing it as white and uncut,
and that made us realizethat these are cocaine references.

(01:39:38):
He's. Yeah, he's selling a cocaine. Honey.
And like, yeah.
And like cocaine adjacent advertising
and verbiage and videos of himgoing out on Hollywood
Boulevardwith a suitcase that he's opening up
in a linen suit.

(01:39:59):
And, he is like, feeding it on a little stick
to Michelle,like doing a mouth, doing a bump.
But it's even worse because it'snear her mouth and it looks like.
Com it's it's like a combo of honey.
Yeah.
And and he's,like, shoveling into her mouth,
but it just it's chopping a little bit upfurther north and that's it's coke.

(01:40:22):
Just go to the noseand it looks like Coke.
And it's there's reviews by like
Michelle and Janet that are like,this is the best, honey.
Yeah.
There's like review sectionon the website.
I bought a bottle. We're going to try it.
We're going to try thecome on, do the come cocaine honey, honey
I don't know how they even get the honeyto be that color.
It's bizarre.

(01:40:43):
Well, apparently it's in.
That's in its raw state.
I don't know, we looked up like raw white honey, but
raw is differentthan, like, uncut was a choice.
That word.
He's using the word uncut on the website,and I first thought of circumcision.
And then after five minutes we realized,
God, yeah,we talked about us not being into cocaine.

(01:41:04):
It after like five minutes, we realized,oh wait, they cut cocaine with stuff.
So calling it uncut is
sayingit's because it's a reference to cocaine.
And then we went,oh my God, a kilo of honey.
We kilo honey, I'm pulling it up now.
We have to read.

(01:41:25):
We have to read it.
How much does a kilo of cocaine cost?
That's a lot, right?
Probably. Yeah.
So here's some of the reviews.
Janet got to be our Janet.
Yeah, said the honey of all honeyswith hands up emoji.
Great.
Let's see.

(01:41:46):
Someone said best honey ever.
Eight. Eight.
Three one catering said it's the bestfucking honey we've ever had in our lives.
That's one of the plant daddies saidbest honey in the fucking world.
This is kind of like Aaronwriting fake reviews or like, no,
this are all over and ask them to do it.

(01:42:06):
Yeah, those are some of their partnersthat they partner with.
I read that, here's the product.
Here's the product descriptionnext to the bottle that I purchased
before we started recording this episode.
Kilo company honey, a half
kilo of pure, uncut white honeyin a squeeze bottle that's easy to handle.
The Kilo Company is all about scoring wild

(01:42:27):
and organic goodsfrom the healthiest spots on the planet.
One taste and you'll be hooked.
And then there's the.
There's the little thing of Michelleand her perfect skin eating the honey
on a stick, which literallylooks like a fed it on the fed it.
Yeah.
And then there's like this this there'sthere's all these videos of of Aaron

(01:42:50):
out on the streetin a pink suit with these white
dress shoes and no socks.
And he is like, showing
people and trying to sell his honeyfrom a briefcase.
On, on the Walk of Fame, on the deal
or no Deal suitcasethat would have kilos of it supposed to.
I think he's supposed to be like a cocainedealer, like in a suit with a suitcase.

(01:43:15):
And he's, like, giving.
It's very like Miamiwith a white suitcase in white shoes.
Correct.
Except when he's like, everyone's
talking about his receding hairline,so I'll just throw it in the mix.
Yeah. It does look good on him, though.
I'm not him and Walton.
No it doesn't. No it doesn't.
This pink is not his color.
Oh, I meant the hairline,but yeah. No, the pink.

(01:43:35):
I just also, like,they're drizzling it over
like a plate of fruit and it it justit looks really gross.
It's a squirtbottle, and it's like drippy.
It looks not like honey.
Okay, okay.
I think they would sell more bottlesif they marketed to the gay community.
And, like, kept referencedit more to semen.

(01:43:58):
I think they would sell bottles and put.
But they're going to sell a ton of bottlesnow because I'm putting this on TikTok
and it's going to burst through thediamonds and be like white cocaine, honey.
On the seasonwhere Jax goes to rehab for coke like,
do you think they buriedthat storyline on purpose because of
they didn't want to make it seemlike they were glamorizing cocaine.
All right, we're not gonna talkabout the big white elephant in the room,

(01:44:19):
okay?
Sacks demonic behavior.
Sacks demonic behavior.
Demonic.
Demonic. Demonic.
Demonic. Demonic.

(01:44:46):
Go. Go get daddy a drink.
Hear what Danny says?
Go get daddy a drink.
But, you know,it's like a slightly southern accent.
So he was like, go get daddy a drink.
Something that's kind of slippedunder the rug in this episode,
but definitely alluded to because they'rebuilding this narrative that Danny has
a little bit of a drinking problemis that at an a past event,

(01:45:08):
Danny gets me and he says to Jasmine,go get daddy a drink.
And then at one point,like slaps Janet's girlfriend on the butt,
or I thought he grabbed it.
Either way, is it wrong with methat I would be okay with this behavior?
Is that wrong of me?
Oh, yeah. No. Are you kidding?
I would do whatever he wanted, but that.

(01:45:29):
I'll get daddy a drink. Sorry. Yeah.
Of course daddy got no problem.
And thenI probably, like, present my butt to be.
I literally go get the drink.
Like, I literally be like, And what if I don't?
Daddy, you going to spank me?
Yeah, like it would makeI would like I would it's called.
Yes. And Jasmine.
Okay, okay, I get itthat he did it to like the lesbian couple

(01:45:52):
or the bi couple,but the girl girl relationship couple.
So I obviously totally understandwhy they're angry at this.
Like machismo man telling them to.
I just literally thinkthat Danny is so too.
And I'm not justifying his poor actions.
And he gave a very proper and directapology that they showed on camera too.

(01:46:14):
Right.
But I think he is just so tiredwhen he gets to let loose.
He has one drink too many because he'snot out drinking the way he used to drink
when he before he had kids,
and then he said somethingembarrassing like, go get daddy a drink.
It's like when a guy goes bare meand it's like, oh, okay, that was funny.
Like ten years, 15 years ago. Beer me.

(01:46:34):
But like, it's like Danny's doing that.
My understanding maybe I'm wrong.
Is that he doesn't know that personvery well, so like, that's not great.
I think overallit is gross what he did, but.
Right.
It seemed to be a genuine apologyand it seemed
it seems to be not a problem anymore.
But then it is. I don't know.
Here's my question.

(01:46:56):
And this is a little dark.
Just sometimes I have to sit backand I have to remember that
these people are on a reality showand they're choosing
to live a life where they're on cameras,they're thinking about what they do,
they're reviewing what they do,
they have discussions about their actionsin another episode, etc., etc.

(01:47:16):
and I thought to myself,I said, did they give Danny a hero?
Edit in season one where he was drinking?
Because we did see himdrunk in a couple episodes?
Yeah.
Did they give him a hero at himand near a hero at it in season one?
Because there wasn't many heroesto highlight.
And so the America like liked them.
So they gave them a cleaner editand didn't allude to Danny's

(01:47:39):
drinking issues in season one.
Or are they is this a new development,or is this something a little spicy
about the second season now,because they were favorites in season one,
they want to show thattheir relationship is not picture perfect.
So they're highlighting and buildinga narrative around the drinking thing.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of like, well,we can't have them be

(01:47:59):
the perfect couple the whole time.
We need something here.
And it did do it.
So it should be talked aboutor I don't know if that needs to
be talked about, but it was brought upso the producers probably ran with it.
Okay, let's do it.
Let's stage a meeting foryou guys to meet up and apologize.
Well, yeah, they of course they do that.
Yeah. And then they didn't even really show it.

(01:48:21):
They showed it in a flashbackbecause it was referenced on the show.
Like they almostdidn't even have it in the episode. Right.
Which makes me think that maybeit was something they like a pick up shoot
or like something they filmed later.
Because maybe he just apologized offcamera
and they said,oh no, we need that for the story.
Let's do that in real life.
Let's do it on camera.
That's that's possible too. Yeah, yeah.

(01:48:43):
He was all, leaving,leaving demonic behavior.
But still, on topic of Danny, I will saysomething that didn't make my list,
but that, was kind of a little favoritemode of mine was seeing how scared he was
and how he was really trying to think,Dave and Busters.
Yeah.
If, when Jesse, when he found outthat Jesse was going to find out

(01:49:06):
that he told Lukeand he was in, I saw fear in Danny's eyes.
He was really trying to
think about how he was going to tell
Jesse that this was out,
and he would literally was like.
It was literally like,
so stuff is going down.

(01:49:28):
Yeah.
And just like, what kind of stuff?
He was completely stone facedwhen Brittany confronted him about it.
It was Brittany, Michelle,and I think Nia was there too.
And it could be like,well, honey, it's it's out.
So like, you gotta dress it.
He just was like,
he he's like, sure.
It's like really trying to process.

(01:49:49):
You don't want to move a musclelike think, think, think,
think, think, think, think, think, think.
But like nothing's coming to my head.Oh my God.
And then he had to walk over to Jesseand like, tiptoe into like.
So I told Luke.
Yeah.
He's like once over theretelling the girls, right.
I know he tried to pawn it off on Luke.
What I love about Jesse's choicesis that he then makes it into

(01:50:12):
this whole thing about the morethere's been a mole in the group.
Oh. The mole.
There's a mole in the group, and we'vebeen trying to figure out who the mole is.
And now I think it's you Danny.

(01:50:38):
Out here in the wild,
wild West Valley Trust is a currency rare.
And then a sober Sunday brunchat jackasses.
And someone.
Someone's been spilling the beans.
We're looking for one slipperyson of a texting gun.
The mole.

(01:50:59):
This rattlesnakes been squeal and secretsfrom sacred tournament text thread.
The bro code has been broken.
Group chats have been compromised.
And respectfully, it's given Judas.
Well,
he's been known to emoji reactjust to blend in.

(01:51:21):
But don't be fooled.
One minute he's l-o-l
in at a pic of someone's sunburned nipple,
the next he's forward in receiptto somebody's baby mama.
Or worse, whispering in Luke's
ear, could it be Jason?
And possible he's got an android?

(01:51:43):
The group chat turned greenthe moment he joined.
That man can can't even seereactions, let alone legal
or Danny
freshly added to the chat.
And dad three under three,bored out of his skull
and looking to let the horseout of the barn.

(01:52:06):
Do you like it?
What? The horse.
I love it
if you hook some.
If you or someone you know has informationabout the mole in the group
chat, please contact hillside SheriffJoseph Lally.
Until then, we're outsafe out there, partner,
and keep your eye messages lockedand your group chats tighter than Janet's.

(01:52:29):
Tap mine.
That was good.
You're right. This. This is great.
He great?
But, Hope

(01:52:50):
so. There's a mole in the group, and
Jesse's saying it could be Danny.
I mean, Jesse will do anything to. Like.
I said this on our seasonone review, Jesse and Danny
almost have, like, a big brotherlittle brother thing going on.
We're like, Danny isn't going to really gotoe to toe with Jesse.
I hope it happens in like a season 3 or 4.
Seriously.
But because Danny has told Luke this thing

(01:53:12):
Jesse's not going to let him get awaywith breaking the group chat rules.
And it wouldn't surprise me
if him and Jack's already removeDanny from the group chat.
Wouldn't surprise me, I think.
I think they said in the aftershowthat they did remove him.
My thingthough, is that Jesse is just like he is.
He's not emotionally regulated.
I'm not going to say that,but I think like if anyone was going

(01:53:33):
to make a case for sociopathic behavior,like he's
he's not even threatened thatMichelle heard this lie in the group chat.
Like, he's not, he's not.
And he's comfortable
then just twisting it on Dannyand saying like, oh, you're the mole.
And then going and addressing thethe rumor in the room, or
just being okay with the rumor being therebecause he just created this thing up.

(01:53:57):
And all the women are sayingthis is a group of 20 moles.
They all talk to us about this bullshit.
And it's crazy.
Yeah, literally.And they're all in, though.
It's crazy, though,
as Michelle has this visceral reactionand she's crying about it.
She's really upset about this lie.
And I'm like,why is this lie from Jesse bothering you?
Like, is it just a bad day?

(01:54:19):
Is it like an emotional day?And it's like she's had enough?
Or is it because the whole timeshe's been a David busker, she's been on
high alert waiting for Jesse to comefuck it up, and now he's fucked it up.
So, like, her nervous systemwas waiting for hours for this.
Or is it because there's, like,some kind of weird truth?
Like she's not. Yeah.She has to make money.
So maybe one of her friendsor past clients

(01:54:40):
or like, a friend with benefitsor a hookup buddy is giving her money,
and maybe she is having a little sexwith them too.
Like, whatever.
Like, either way, does it really matter?
Who caresif you're having sex with someone?
They're giving you money and like, hey,this is what this is.
Everyone's doing that.
And he's saying it to his 19 friends.

(01:55:00):
They're not.
Who gives a shit what they think?
Like, aren't
they literally looking at his messagesand going, oh, here goes Jesse again.
Like, can't this divorce, like
so-called rookie of the year,of the first season of the group chat?
Gross. You what do you think that means?
I don't know,
it just means that he was the going to berookie of the year in the group chat.
Like what are you sharing?

(01:55:21):
Right. Exactly.
Just of surprised that he wants to protectthe integrity of the group chat.
If he was rookie of the year.
Yeah.
Yeah. She had likeshe just instantly started crying.
Which led to one of my favorite clips
of the episodewhen Janet says, I feel bad for Michelle.
I've never seen anyone cry.And Dave and Busters ever.
I got to
tell you, this is Janet'sperfect birthday party.

(01:55:45):
This is her perfect birthday party.
She gets to go to Dave and Busters.
She gets to play all the games she wants
and her ugly fanny pack and her,like, weird jumpsuit thing.
And she's.
She gets to be seenas the fun Midwestern girl.
But then also everyone's cryingand fighting at her party.
Like, this is the this is the highlightof her life, I would argue.

(01:56:05):
I think she's dreamt of thissince she watched Vanderpump.
I'm going to be honest,this was my third favorite moment.
She earned a lot of points for mebecause she I don't know,
she just seemed really down
to earth this episode with Steveand what's with her fanny pack?
And then you go. You fall for it.You fell for it.
I did it when she was like,first you get your.
You dress for the party,
you get your fanny pack, you I she's like,I have my four cards loaded with points.

(01:56:29):
Then you go to the prize roomand you check out what the prizes are.
You make a plan, have a goal,and then you go play the game.
So you get the A heavy coin.
Oh, God. It was just.
It was great last time.
The last two times I've been to Daveand Busters was with my ex,
and then I went on a first date there.
And remember when they were like,oh, we're going to the Northridge one.
What about the one in Hollywoodin Highland?

(01:56:49):
I went to that one on my first date.
So it was a while ago, and it was likegoing to go to the Northridge one.
When you come to LA, we're going towe're planning a whole series of events
that are all Bravo based,and we're going to have to go
to the Dave and Bustersin Northridge Buster's.
What is it called? Dave and Busters.

(01:57:09):
Busters? Yeah, I'm like a street busker.
I thought it was busker.Like a street performer.
Honestly, that would probably be better.
But no, it's just two guysnamed Dave and Buster.
Oh my bad.
See, I'm so not American enough.
Okay, you should check it out.
Shocking moment.
One final shockingmoment is when Michelle gets the audacity.

(01:57:29):
Oh, this was monster running around
and collecting votes
that Jesse should have to stay in a hotelon his own trip.
This was my shocking voteby shocking moment two it's like,
that's like going on a playgroundto be like.
So I thought we should go on the swings,
but everyone else has the slide,so let's have a vote.
What do you think? I think swings,

(01:57:51):
it's worse than that.
It's literally going,Thomas is having a birthday party
and he wants to go Chucky Cheese.
But I said we should go to Walley World.
So let's take a vote.
Where should we go, Chuck ECheese or Walley World, I don't think.
And alsoI don't think Thomas should come like.
Yeah, it's literally.

(01:58:12):
Do you think Thomas shouldget to come to his own birthday party?
Like that's what it feels likeand it's hysterical and I know
and what's cool is, isthat we're so far along on these shows
and, like, we've watched so many differentBravo shows that we know
that production, like, kind of giveseverybody, like, their own event.
And here's a little Housewivessomething whoever gets the first event
of the housewives season,that's kind of like an honorary thing.

(01:58:34):
They fight for that.
Like that's somethingthey want to have the first event
of the season to control the playingfield of the season.
So like a veteran, like a Kyle Richardsmight be really contending for that.
Or if they know, like ErikaJayne is going into her divorce
and all the lawsuit stuff
to entice the deal, they might give herthe first event of the season.
So everyone kind of gets their own event,and I'm sure that it's in the production

(01:58:56):
deal that, like the Airbnb
mansion that they're stayingat, is being paid for by the show.
But like Jesse's picking it outand organizing it, it's Jesse
and now Kristen's trip.
And so the audacity Michelle has to,
like, run around and be like,he shouldn't get to come.
We don't want himthere, right, to vote for her.
And like, even then,

(01:59:16):
she goes up to Kristen, asks Kristenif she's going to vote for Hillary. Yes.
Shocker.
Kristen immediately says Jesse,well, he is or he did.
Or he is organizing and I'm helping himand she's like, okay, fine.
And then she looks to Jasmineand Nia, who both are like,
I don't know, I think, you know, thatjust feels wrong.
And then she starts crying again.I was like, oh, that's what got her.

(01:59:37):
It's her.
She's like, oh, so.
So multiple peoplearen't agreeing with me, not just Kristen.
Okay, wait,I have a question then about the editing.
Do you think she started thatwhen she got there?
And then actually the the rumor about her
sleeping for money happened after.
Oh, and then they edited itthe other way around

(01:59:59):
because she seemed pretty positive andbubbly walking around asking for votes.
I find it hard to believeshe was doing that.
She was doing that after she cried
about being called basically a prostitute.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe that breakdown where she goes inthe corner was the actual end of
an event.
Yeah, maybe they they edited itin different order.

(02:00:21):
This stuff is so interesting to meas somebody who like,
you know, makes makes movies in that.
Yeah.
I think it's fascinating how they decideto put these stories together.
But Janet won
another point for me when she was like,Michelle was trying to get a vote.
She was like, you're giving Janeta lot of points this episode.
I yeah, well, it just was funny.She's like, yeah, girl, you're good girl.
Let me get my coins.

(02:00:42):
Whatever you want.
I loved it.
But she's like this, like coin
drop machine, and she's like, overthere, like celebrating.
And then she's like,whatever. Team. Team. Michelle. Yeah.
All right, let me get my coins.
She I don't know, you're supposedbe having fun.
And Dave and Bustersnot crying in the corner.
It's perfect.

(02:01:02):
I think they have to listen.
That's all I had was that he'sbeing a bit of a mess this season.
He justis getting his nose in a lot of stuff.
I mean, I just think he's.
I think I don't think he's bored,but I think he's bored.
Like I think his whole lifenow is like the voiceover work, the kids
and this show.
And so it's hard to not get caught upto have another one.

(02:01:23):
As much as the men like to gossipmore than women half the time, like I,
as much as these guys are pretending
they're betterthan better than their wives
because they're being misogynists,I feel like they love it.
Yeah.
And also, Danny and Nia are peoplesimilar to I.
Honestly, you know whata lot of these friends have in common?

(02:01:45):
Maybe except for, like, a Zach or Kristen,is that they're all really ambitious
and they are all the type of peoplethat are really pushing
to succeed in their career paths.
Like, they want to be seen as successfuland they're uncompromising on it.
So I could see Dannygetting more involved in the mix

(02:02:07):
and the drama this seasonbecause he wants to be successful.
That's why Nia has a good glue goingand encouraging Zach on the season
finale last year to go talk to Janetand these people
about this stufflike they're they're they're like rubber.
They bounce off really quicklyand come back into into their scenes

(02:02:29):
really well.
And I think we're goingto have a great run of this show
because these people are like thisand they all want the same thing.
I have this appwhere I track the TV shows that I watch,
and they have little synopsisof each episode,
and it looks like the Santa Barbara tripis like 3 or 4 episodes.
I'm very excited about that.
Oh my God.
All I know is I saw a clip of Michellethrowing a drink at Jesse and

(02:02:52):
I can't wait.
Oh, we haven't seen a gooddrink throw since Vanderpump.
Oh my god, yes.
Oh yeah.
It's why?
When do you want to hear some really coolbackground story about that scene
where Schwartz dumped a beer on Katie?
Oh, yeah.
Please guess what?
When it was Stacy's birthday, it was it.

(02:03:14):
Season two.
And Schwartz dumped on Katie's head.
I think it was.
They had to redo that scene.
So they went backthe next day, and Katie had to have
another beer dumped on her head
because they didn't get it on camera.
It's a wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
So she just because she's like wastedand they're both wasted in that,

(02:03:37):
isn't that they just so fucked up.
They just pretended to be wasted.
I don't knowif they pretended to be wasted.
I don't know where they picked it up.
I haven't watched it back to analyze it,but Katie Maloney said in, interview,
I don't remember what podcast it was on,but she said that
that scene had is an example of ascene that had to be redone.

(02:04:00):
Wow. So imagine your boyfriend
dumping a beer on your head,and then your job says
it wasn't good enough.
We got to get it again.
And so you're going home and sleepingangry and drunk at that man that night.
And then the next day you're toldyou have to do it again
and pretend like it's the first time.
That is so.

(02:04:21):
That is so horrible.
It's horrible. It's horrible. Wow.
It's no wonder that some of these,like Lisa Vanderpump was on
Alex Baskin's podcast.
Again, I'm talking about their podcastbecause it's so direct
and it's in it's straight to the point.
And he has these established relationshipsthat these people, these bravolebrity,
and he can ask them whatever they wantand they'll they answer.

(02:04:42):
And it's almost like a muscle memory.
And so he's talking to Lisa Vanderpump,who's I think, I don't know
if she's doing reconnaissancesince the James Kennedy stuff came out
or if she's promoting VanderpumpVilla season two.
I think it might be both.
But she does kind of like this interviewwith Alex Baskin talks
about everything you want to hearabout Kyle Richards stuff.
If she'd ever be back on Housewivesof Beverly Hills, what she thinks

(02:05:04):
of the new season of Vanderpumpthat's coming out, it's a great episode.
Again, I recommend you listen to it.
But she is talking abouthow a lot of the kids
that were on Vanderpump Rules,you know, don't all
aren't all appreciativefor the opportunity they were given.
And this is something that I've heard
Katie talk about before, too,where it's like there's always with Lisa.

(02:05:26):
It was never like,we are friends or she's somebody
I can really support on Ellen onand like they she said that
the relationship has changed overthe years, but that at the end of the day,
there's always an heir with Lisathat, like,
you should be grateful for what you have.
And Lisa confirmed that on the podcast.
So when you think about Katiehaving to go back and do a scene,

(02:05:49):
like getting a beer
dumped on your head by your boyfriendat your best friend's birthday,
and you have to repeat that sceneand it leaves and you're on the show.
Then for another ten years,you marry and divorce that man
and have to go through
all these obstacles of womenthrowing themselves at him at bars and Jax
pushing drinks on him to get him to cheaton Katie in Vegas and all this stuff.

(02:06:12):
Like you, you look back at all thatand you're like, feel no fucking wonder
Katie's not kissing, you know, ban
kissing the ringabout being on Vanderpump.
It's like, yeah,I gave her opportunity and paid her bills.
But like,what is she showing for it? What?
What's the James Kennedy stuff?What's that?
I'm not going to tell you.You have to keep watching Vanderpump.
And as life goes on, we'll update you.

(02:06:34):
I don't want to spoil stuffthat's coming out for you,
because I'm so jealousthat you get to go back
and watch Vanderpump Rules,but not knowing anything.
Yeah, it's a gift.
Yeah.
And if I'm on the season, the memoryerasing tool like Eternal Sunshine
of the Spotless Mind,where I could go in and be like,
make me forget everything,Vanderpump Rules
so that I can spend a full monthrewatching it all for the first time.

(02:06:58):
Like I would do it.
Life is so good. It's such a great.
Have you thought about what you're goingto watch after Vanderpump Rules?
Because I have some petitions I want to,you know, I think I have some options.
I would love for you to consider.
Yeah, if it's probably in the samevein, I'd be open to hearing suggestions.
Okay, so there's two directionsyou could go in.

(02:07:18):
One you're familiar with because I knowsomeone I've tried to get you to watch.
Southern charm.
Southern charm. Yeah.
So I think I watched a couple episodesof that with you, and then I was mad
because the guy in the main guynamed Thomas was, like, not a good person.
And that made me upset
for you.
I hope you've grown since then,and you can see
that not all Thomas's.

(02:07:39):
Hey, guys, not all Thomas's.
Okay, here's a.
Just get every Thomas.
And then.
Then summer.
Summer house was introduced to me viathat crossover episode in season five.
I think where it became a Summer Houseepisode. Is that the other one?
You want me to watch? Yes,that actually is the other show.
I feel like in the schemeand there's there's some overlap

(02:08:01):
episodes on Summer House where you seeVanderpump people come through.
It's about it's East Coastpeople partying in the Hamptons.
So and it's I think that could also bea really good pool.
I actually think Summer Housemight be the next best option for you.
And thenand then we bring you to Southern Charm,
because then there's overlap with peopleon Summer House and Southern Charm.

(02:08:25):
Okay.
It's the chain,the dominoes, the chain reaction.
Yeah. It's so good.
Do you want to move inand just watch it all here on my couch?
Because I would love to watch you watch it
when I come visit.
Oh, we'll have to.At least you know what to do.
A marathon one day.
Oh my God. Okay, we'll live stream it.
Okay, great.
Well,
I think that's like literally everythingwe had to cover for the two episodes.

(02:08:45):
Fantastic. Thanks for stopping by.
Thanks for attending your meeting.
The meeting today, Thomas.
You know I never miss it.I'm not allowed to miss it.
I still got my chip.
I am,
you know, fervently watching.
And, we'll get to talk to you
when episode four comesout of the five comes out.
We'll see you again.
I would love that. Meeting adjourned.

(02:09:08):
Yes. Meeting adjourned.
Thank you, addicts, for attending thismeeting of Robert Hollis Anonymous.
And we'll see you next week.

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