Do Human Work
Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.
Episodes
Most cybersecurity conversations obsess over tools, threats, and tech. But what if the real evolution is happening in the human layer, a shift most in the industry aren’t used to seeing?
In this episode, BISO and industry voice Olivia Phillips join Nate and Lior to redefine what effective security leadership looks like in the age of AI. Olivia shares insights from behavioral science, organizational psychology, and decades of cyber ...
How is AI reshaping the cybersecurity landscape, and what does this mean for the future of cyber professionals? In this episode, Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Ron Eddings, a gen AI security researcher and co-founder and CEO of Hacker Valley Media, to explore these pressing questions. Ron discusses his journey from a traditional cybersecurity role to becoming a thought leader and content creator focused on the confluence of ...
In this episode of Do Human Work, Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Dirce Hernandez, Sr. Cybersecurity GRC Manager and adjunct professor, to demystify AI governance beyond the buzzwords. From defining governance in plain language to setting practical guardrails like policies, steering groups, and human-in-the-loop reviews, Dirce shares how organizations can innovate without risking shadow AI, data leakage, or checkbox complianc...
In this episode of Do Human Work, Nate Burke and Lior Div welcome Wayman Cummings, the Chief Information Security Officer at Ochsner Health Systems, to discuss the revolutionary role of AI in cybersecurity. From pioneering the use of robots at the Super Bowl to insights on mentoring diverse teams, Wayman shares his vision for AI as an enabler of human potential. The episode explores how he integrates AI into cybersecurity practices...
What insights from past IT revolutions should today's CISOs understand, and how can AI transform cybersecurity in healthcare?
Bill Brown, Chief Information Security Officer and Chief Information Officer at Abacus Insights, joins hosts Nate Burke and guest host, Yonatan Striem-Amit, for an engaging discussion on AI's role in securing sensitive healthcare data. Brown shares his journey from IT in the early days to leading security at...
What happens when a law firm becomes an early adopter of AI? Hosts Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Jason Thomas, CIO of Cole, Scott & Kissane, Florida’s largest civil defense law firm, to explore how AI is changing up the legal and cybersecurity landscape. From pioneering AI in finance operations nearly a decade ago to empowering teams with cutting-edge automation, Jason shares how his firm challenges the stereotype of la...
What happens when cybersecurity leaders stop just managing risk and start driving innovation? Hosts Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Kyle Kurdziolek, VP of Security at BigID, to introduce the bold idea of the Chief Innovation Security Officer. In an era where AI is reshaping both defense strategies and attacker playbooks, Kyle reveals how forward-thinking leaders can harness AI to scale their teams, cut through alert fatigue, ...
How do you secure a company with over 130,000 employees against evolving cyber threats using AI? Michael Baker, Vice President and Global CISO at DXC Technology, joins hosts Nate Burke and Lior Div to explore the future of cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of staying ahead in the AI era. In this episode, they cover Michael’s journey into cybersecurity leadership, the evolving role of CISOs, and how AI is reshaping cybersecu...
Most CISOs are stuck in a cycle of reaction, chasing threats, plugging holes, and hoping to keep up. Mignona Coté is done with that.
In this episode, Nate and Lior travel to Dallas, TX to sit down with Mignona, SVP CISO at Infor. Together, they talk about how AI is shifting the cybersecurity landscape from constant triage to strategic advantage. Mignona shares how she’s seen security evolve across industries like healthcare, financ...
What if AI could eliminate burnout instead of just speeding things up? Gavin Grisamore, CISO at Lead Bank, joins Nate Burke and Lior Div to reimagine the future of cybersecurity, one where AI agents reduce toil, reshape SOC structures, and elevate human creativity.
In this episode, Gavin shares what it really means to manage risk in an AI-driven environment. From rethinking alert fatigue and L1/L2 roles to challenging sunk cost fal...
From Sleep to Strategy: Cyber’s Human Future featuring John Koester
Summary:In this episode, Nate and Lior travel to Atlanta to sit down with John Koester, CISO of Graphic Packaging International, to explore what AI means for the human side of cybersecurity. From reimagining compliance and detection workflows to prioritizing creativity and employee development, John offers a grounded vision for how AI can return time to t...
What happens when a Marine-turned-CISO stops accepting the status quo in cybersecurity?
Benjamin Delieu, Chief Security Officer at Duck Creek Technologies, joins Nate Burke and Lior Div to explore how AI agents—not centralized systems—are reshaping the future of security operations. From overburdened SOC teams to the hidden costs of legacy infrastructure, Benjamin shares his perspectives from the frontline of transformation. He re...
What would you do with 25% more time?
Travis Farral, VP and CISO at Archaea Energy, joins hosts Nate Burke and Lior Div to explore how AI can reclaim our time from cybersecurity’s tedious tasks—and what we’d do with that time instead. From data sifting and incident response to managing swarms of AI agents, the conversation dives into how the nature of human work is evolving and what defenders should expect next.
This episode kicks...
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