September 5, 2024 • 33 mins
Welcome to the Force on Force podcast, hosted by Shawn Dalrymple. In this episode, we bring you the latest updates from the Force on Force TOC, including our recent travels and expos. We catch up with the end of Army Hog Hunters Force on Force and introduce the first-ever multi-species champion, Robert Richards, joined by Host, Patrick Appling.
Listen in as Robert shares his experiences and challenges faced during the competition, including shooting with a left-handed perspective and the importance of muscle memory. Patrick and Shawn discuss the intricacies of nighttime hunting and the significance of judging distances accurately.
The episode also highlights the camaraderie and friendly banter among the competitors, emphasizing the principles of safety and marksmanship. As we gear up for the upcoming whitetail season, we delve into the exciting new initiatives for Army Buck Hunters, including the introduction of self-filming hunts for military personnel.
Join us as we celebrate the achievements of our champions and look forward to the thrilling hunting adventures ahead. For more information or to join the organization, visit our website at forceonforcetv.com
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Hey, welcome to the Force on Force podcast. I'm your host, Sean Diver.
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We're here in the Force on Force talk.
We've been off for a couple of weeks. We've had a lot going on. We've been
at a couple expos i've been traveling getting back home
getting ready to start deer season here in kentucky and
been traveling a couple football games but we want to catch
you guys up on the end of army hog hunters force on force and bring on patrick
appling and the first ever army hog hunter force on force champion robert richards
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but not only is he the first ever hog hunter beast but also the first ever champion
who's multi we're going to call species champion How are we going to officially
do this title there, Patrick?
Because he won. He won. He won the bass side in season three.
And now he's Army. What's the official title? What are we going to do with this? Oh, my goodness.
It has to be Species. I mean, it's two different genres there.
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I mean, it had to be Species.
Who's Fins? Who's the Fins? You know, all around champ. There we go. I mean, I will say this.
I'm going to ask Robert this question.
First of all, how are you doing, Robert? I'm doing all right. Have you ever beat me?
I've technically never. Well, I don't know how to phrase that.
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Because he knows I can't go into the details because we're filming a TV show.
He's never beat me on TV. That's all I got to say right there.
I beat your partner, though.
I'm 1-0 against him, so I guess I get, hey, you know, at least two of us are
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champions on this podcast.
Oh, man. We were talking about we got Patrick over there.
I mean, you know, how does it feel to be in such esteemed you know membership right now?
We're not really a member, but just in the presence of two people that are members
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of the presence yeah both y'all won't even yeah both y'all want you to rifle against me but you know,
My kryptonite is no longer my kryptonite, so I'm shooting down with my bow and
my archery, you know, my bow and arrow.
So I should be all right for archery season and come Army Buckhunter's force
on force. So we'll see how that goes.
You know, you got to kind of stay on that archery thing.
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I'll share a picture on Buckhunters about, you know, people getting ready for
archery season to open up here, especially in part pretty tight green.
But I'll tell you this, man, I've shot a couple weeks ago down at the Texas
Tribune and I was all over the place. And a lot of it was just not checking
my zero and things like that.
Things that kind of loosened up on my bow and things like that.
You got to kind of stay on top of that. And it's.
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Me and you, Sean, you know, we got a government bow site and everything.
And, you know, buying in both sites.
And, you know, if you don't pull it out, a good buddy of mine a while ago told
me, you know, you need once you get consistent, you're shooting dimes at 20
yards, you know, dimes at 40 yards and everything.
You know, you're basically you're dialed in. and you need to go out at least you
know every other day and shoot one or two arrows
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previous owner of a certain deer lure
i can't say right now but uh you know he's really big into
archery and stuff i mean he told me i go out every other day fire a couple you
know a couple arrows down range and everything just to keep that you know keep
that that muscle memory and and everything in line and everything well not just
that but we do so much traveling i'll tell you like it that thing loosens up
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a little bit, no matter how hard I try to do it.
So it's just kind of, but what are we going to talk about? We're going to talk
about the final championship and really Robert, how that goes down and,
and how it feels and just the deal.
I mean, you know, Robert comes on as a bass guy on this show and you're kind
of the outcast, aren't you?
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've got, you know, I've got a, I've got a gun I've never shot before. Yeah.
Shirt from rory i've got at least my jeans were brand new or my my my creptech
pants were brand new and you know you had to give me an army hog hat because
there was no marine hog hats and then like you said you got me because i had
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your jersey on on a couple of the shoots.
So robert you had my ocd and my
my nco my army nco with me
just the thing the whole time the whole
time hey like like it like in true marine
fashion what do you always say about you marines you get all the hand-me-downs
from the army robert was truly living that living that
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life out there what's your robbery patrick's talking
about army nco i mean i'm senior to patrick
yeah well you should have
been in the right uniform in the right place with everything you
know right when when we go when when duck
tells me hey you're gonna go up and do this
and oh by the way that I get no information about
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it it's like oh well yeah you know I it's because I don't want to do it I'm
like oh okay but you know I to be honest it was good going in with no expectations
and and believe it or not I went with the flow I didn't knows at times I get
a little you know I get a little over myself sometimes especially on the bass side,
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but I just I didn't say anything you said be here be there be here be there
I just did whatever ever anybody wanted.
And I really had no, I had no expectations going in from that standpoint.
I think that's why I was calm as I was through most of it.
I just didn't have any expectations and I learned a lot and had a lot of fun.
Yeah, I think that's kind of key. I know, Patrick, you guys did a good job kind
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of setting that up and kind of keeping everybody on their toes.
And I know, you know, you saw a lot from different competitors,
but what was your kind of impression from Robert from that perspective?
Robert came, you know, it wasn't nonchalant. He was calm, cool, and collective.
You know, some of the other competitors that have been on the show has competed,
you know, either force on force, army bass angler, force on force, army buck hunter.
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But this is the first ever army buck hunter. hunter and you
know you had you had two past national champs there he had another
guy that competed against me a couple times you know and they all
wanted to win they were hungry you know robert comes in there humble
you know you know slow the smooth moves as fast i kept saying that through the
lanes and he went in there and executed he shot consistent the whole time and
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just progressed throughout the lanes and then at nighttime he knocked down hogs
so he progressed throughout throughout the course hey here's the other thing robert you're left
-handed aren't you i am so talk about how different that is shooting perspective wise.
Especially you know shooting not something that's
your weapons because we use the same weapon paired up with
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that hawk scope to to kind of work give it
a level playing field when we're doing the shooting company now everybody shot
their own weapon when we're shooting that sort of hunting stuff but how does
that like play into it you know i know most people don't most of i'd say a large
percentage of us are right-handed and so we don't ever think about when you're
shooting a round ejected out of a semi-automatic platform how does that affect
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you from when you're in that,
well and just small background i mean i'm right-handed but i'm left eye dominant
and i had a lot of early on when i younger in my life i had i had with my my
retina and it kind of fixed itself was still fairly, I couldn't see real well.
And my dad was always giving me a hard time when I was shooting because he's
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like, why are you leaning your head over the rifle? And I'm like,
I can't see out of my right eye.
For years and would not let me switch well fast forward
i go to my stepdad and my stepdad does the old diamond trick
you know where he says hey put a diamond up on a target close your eye
can you see anything no he switched me over left-handed and ever since then
as a kid i mean it was it was pretty natural but transition in the military
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i'm like you said i'm using a right-handed rifle on a firing line i'm catching
brass and the you know we're in the marine corps we shoot We don't shoot known
distance. We don't shoot a lot of combat courses.
It's marksmanship training. And I can't tell you how many times I had to wait
a good minute or two to see where the other brass was going before I ever sat
down in my placement, you know, into whatever shooting position I was in.
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I don't know what if you have a properly sighted rifle
I think with a scope I think anyone should be able to pretty
much pick it up and be able to at least you know
hit the target and the I shot really well the first round no and all I did was
adjust the focus I just tried to you know you just kind of tried to adjust a
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lot of time to think so it was can I see through it see the target and And then just remember my,
you know, remember the principles of shooting. That's all I tried to do.
I messed up. When they said use shooting sticks, I didn't use my sticks till the last round.
And just not practicing like you guys were just talking earlier about a bow.
I hadn't really shot a lot in the last 20 years, or I should say the last 12 since I retired.
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And, you know, it just took, believe it or not, almost till that last round
for my muscle memory to actually start, begin to come back.
And that was the biggest key. I mean, your rifle shot, fine, Sean.
I mean, like I said, I did good in the first round. And then I just don't know
if I, you know, I don't know what happened, but I did a lot of,
I just did a lot of focusing on that last round. I knew it was coming down really tight.
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I saw all those red hearts go down, by the way, Patrick, you didn't count them
on the show, but all those red hearts got shot.
I physically watched each of them in my, in the scope go move, go like flip.
So I think it was a couple of points, It was a splash. It was a splash. That's what it was.
Okay. But that's the big thing is I don't think it really matters right-handed
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or left-handed unless you're shooting around multiple people.
And on my nights, I did make sure my partners, you know, when we positioned
shooting, we positioned my shooting two lanes.
I had everything from straight ahead.
They had everything from straight ahead back to the left. So that way we kept
our fields of fire and we didn't interlock and we didn't, you know, we didn't do any of that.
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Safety was, was paramount when we were out there.
So Robert, you were talking about, you know, we, we, it was Sean's rifle and everything.
And, you know, Sean has stuff zeroed, his hawk scope zeroed to him.
Was you worried about, you know, his optic being zeroed to somebody else or
did that play a part? Yeah.
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It concerned me was my Wiley X sunglasses are also prescription.
So I was looking through prescription glasses through a scope.
That was that joint. And I was worried about getting some refraction out of
my scope or not my scope out of my sunglasses because they're,
you know, even though they're, you know, they're prescription,
they're still have a slight curve to them.
So you have some, what's that called in there? You have some distortion.
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Yeah. That was the only thing that concerned me is I didn't have this.
But, I mean, I had to put it in perspective.
You know, there was a lot of talk about shooting your own gun, doing this, doing that.
Shooting one gun, everyone had the same, I don't want to call it constraints,
but we all had the same, you know, the same set of rules. So there was...
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It was through one standard and everything. Well, you had one weapon system and everything.
But you know one thing that that I learned in the military, you know If they
me and Sean was out there and and he was to go down I'm able to pick up his
weapon and still be able to get rounds on target You sort of say,
you know, if it's zeroed, especially in a scope,
you know Millimeters is going to be off.
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It's not it's not a big big big deal So we kind of want to put level of playing
field, you know, we've done, you know I can't really go into the details details of it.
But some Some operations that I did as a dog handler and stuff, we trained for that.
If a person goes down and their weapon goes down and you're out of ammo,
I'm going to grab Sean's weapon and still be able to fire down range.
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It's kind of the same concept that lane.
It's one weapon system. You have an equal platform throughout for every competitor.
So, I mean, everybody had the same standard and able to fire down range.
I didn't know that played into your concept of thinking and trying to compete
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against other competitors.
In the Marine Corps, battle site zero, the BZ is 300 yards. That's what we set
our rifles to is 300 yards.
But, yeah, no, believe it or not, I didn't nervous.
Well, Jeremy took the lead and went into the final shooting.
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And I don't think that I got nervous till I was walking up there to shoot.
Because I had had no pressure. I mean, yeah, I had to lead most of the time.
And, you know, the points were what they were, you know, and that's how they fell.
But like Sean said, you guys could see on the drone, there were a lot of hogs
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around a lot of people that they never even got close to.
So, the potential in some of those zones, they could have blew out of the water.
You know, I mean, really, I mean.
Let me tell you robert you know when y'all all the competitors left
me and sean went out walking around that the
next night me and
sean put 14 hogs on the ground and you
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know y'all talked like you know me and i thought sean's name
out there he was very good and her first time i've seen him hog hunting stuff
a lot of people didn't plan on the hunt you know here in south texas and especially
you know this is a hog cabin down here spot and stop spot move move move you
know a spot bite on top of hill you're gonna spot and stop you walk towards
them you're gonna put hogs down
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and then you go glass some more and move to spot and stop
me and sean dropped 14 hogs and we won't talk about his 300 yard shot i'll get
to that probably later luckiest shot i've ever seen in my life lucky lucky lucky
but i think you know coming in people had time to game plan so again this is
a learning event a lot of y'all didn't have a lot of experience hog hunting but like Like you said,
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you know, me and Sean sitting there watching the drone, you know,
and recon and surveying, there's hogs everywhere.
They just got to glass in that thermal and moved down a little bit.
Glass in that thermal, moved down a minute.
Put boots on ground and walked, man, y'all could have dropped 14,
15, 20 hogs a night. There were hogs all over the place.
I think here you bring an interesting point, Patrick, and I'll throw this out
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to Robert and to Patrick.
We all know this from our time in the military and i think this is kind of a
point to bring home you kind of alluded to a little bit how much do you tend
to misjudge distance at night,
versus the daytime i think that's that's a kind of a key takeaway oh yeah there's yeah that,
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i didn't realize and you guys had the drone overhead i
didn't realize that that one hog we shot
we were laying down the prone i didn't realize it was only that when
we laid there and it walked up i didn't realize it was only 25 yards from us
right i had no idea that it was actually that close you know right you know
you're you're seeing them out there on your thermal and you know i made a couple
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longer shots i wasn't even close to them because they were only like,
60 yards from me but they were like 150 from me you know and yeah it and it,
It was a big challenge. It was better to spot, stalk, and then they were heading
toward you. Just lay down and wait for them to come in at that point.
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I think that was the better choice.
I think a key takeaway with that, and Ray, I'll kind of tell it to the listeners out there.
So I'll take it to land nav, and so you can kind of – so the listeners can understand.
So if you do – every soldier, Marine, you taught basic land nav skills,
and you have what's called a pace count.
Your pace count is the number of steps that
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you take that equal 100 meters we have what's
called a daytime pace count you have a nighttime pace
count because you typically don't take as long as steps
at night and so you half step at night
and you don't realize you you get to misjudging distance at
night you think you're actually you know going farther than
you are and distance at night becomes such a
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you know those little things you do right i know
that that that's kind of the to take away patrick alluded to
that shot that i made but what he's not the
real behind the scene story is we tried to shoot a group
of four earlier tonight that we totally jacked
up i mean all honestly because we did misjudge the distance on him right and
patrick and i walked the distance and now i would tell you the only reason i
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shot that one later in the night is because we missed the first ones of that
first group that night and we realized really quick that it was like Like what
we think distance is, it's not what the distance is.
And we got to, we got to be like, we, we adjusted really quick.
And I think that's, you know, that's kind of what plays into it that night.
That distance deal is like, so, so dear. See, when you're shooting daytime,
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anybody can look out there and be like, oh, that's 50, 60 yards. That's a hundred yards.
That's that. But at night it kind of changes the perspective of it, you know?
And so that's, that was kind of cool to see that kind of replicated at there,
because I think that was, you say you had no stress walking up,
but any, any of those guys, if they had figured that out, could have really
brought, had killed a lot of hogs out there because there was ample,
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ample opportunity to do that.
It was just incredible to see a lot of that going on.
What'd they call our area? The pipeline, I think is what they called it. Yeah.
The pipeline. And you, and you know, that, that last, that one
feeder out in the middle and I I'm watching footage
you know from you guys from you know what you guys were
looking at and to the right of that feeder behind those
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that grove of trees was like 50 or 60 hogs
just sitting back over there you know that wasn't that wasn't
more than 75 yards from where we were at no yeah
man yeah it was kind
of kind of kind of neat to see how that come on
play and that's really how that drone kind of plays into it to
be able to see that bigger picture and to see what see how
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it goes from that but so so you
did you did shoot and you know you won
the championship and i know you said you weren't stressed until you walked up
there and you still didn't know till we got back to the talk i mean after you
shot how did you kind of feel like what was you know what was your thoughts
after after the shooting well i i knew i should i knew i shot smooth better
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and i swore and patrick's like.
Damn it now we can't use that you know it's like right because
i was like man i shot that you know you know what out of that yeah you
know and um and walking back you know walking back
they're saying not saying anything commanders are like you know got thomas
saying how you did and justin's like dude that sounded really smooth he goes
there wasn't like much hiccups at all and and i was like yeah i said i think
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i did pretty good but you know a couple you know a couple and they could tell
that i you know that i had shot pretty good because i hadn't you know taught crap real hard.
And, you know, but, and Justin knows me and a few of them know me and I was real quiet.
So they, I think they knew when I was quiet that I, that I had done pretty good
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because yeah, I, like I said, I didn't get nervous till shoot that final, that final range.
I didn't get nervous at all. And then I, then I started, then I had some nerves
gone and I was like, man, I could actually probably win this thing.
And i mean i went in thinking i'm gonna
finish last don't show you know i'm gonna show i'm gonna
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you know show that marines can't shoot i mean i'm gonna i've got
all these things running through my head but yeah
yeah i think that's that's i think one
thing we did was we brought over from typically
from the buck side they everybody had kind of known
how everybody's kind of shot i mean but i
think was was kind of cool was we brought over something from the
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bass side of the house where you don't really
know which you kind of alluded to nobody we didn't
let we didn't let each of you watch how each of
you shot even after the other person other groups
of shots so everybody's shooting was completely isolated from
everybody so it was almost like that thing from
similar to the bass side of the house you don't
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know until you get back to that talk of
them like did you kind of feel that same thing that you felt in
season three kind of deal that same familiar feeling
of i don't i think i got it but i don't know i uh
i i knew how i knew.
How well he was shooting yeah and you know and i didn't know and then you know
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patrick says jeremy and you shot the lights out you know you did all this and
you're and then they say you're the top shooter and i'm like well crap i lost
you know and i kind of had a little deflation because at first i had Like I said,
never entered my mind until the last round. And then I was to play, and I was like, man.
Then I was kind of disappointed because I thought I didn't win.
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And that's when I knew it was kind of real. When I thought I didn't win,
I'm like, man, I got that close.
What if I had gone out? And things through my head is, what if I had actually
went out and shot some more? What if I had done this? What if I had done that?
Would that have made a difference? You know, what if I'd shot one more hog or,
you know, all those what ifs go in, it's like, but it cleared. So it was.
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That was the real emotion part of it that, you know, that I didn't try to,
you know, that I didn't show or you guys didn't know.
But I actually was a little upset when I thought I didn't win because then I
was like, man, what? You know, I just came and had fun.
But what would happen if I actually were to put a little effort together,
you know, a little more effort, you know, going in.
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Right. I mean, I'll tell you, the average Marine, believe it or not,
shoots pretty well, especially known distance.
They all do. by the time they come out of boot camp and do everything
else they they shoot really well i shot
all my life but shooting our
weapons that we shoot is a completely different thing than a lot
of our you know a lot of our regular long gun you
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know bold action rifles but the principles of
shooting are the same but there are some differences but yeah
i was a little disappointed when i thought i lost i
mean that's kind of fun i mean i know patrick enjoyed
kind of messing how much fun is the host at
patrick how much fun is it to get to mess with the guys when that happens
it's pretty fun it's pretty fun messing with
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them you know i know those lanes were pretty challenging we try
to try to set it up to resemble you know the the aspect
of hog hunting and stuff like that and you know
one of the things is you know i got my hats off to robert he
paid attention to detail and followed instructions and
everything you know there was a time it's my first time i'm
hosting so i didn't know if all my instructions were was you know
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to the point and everybody understood i was making sure hey do
you understand do you understand you know and robert hey
man my hat's off to you man i told you the lane of fire you went
down there and and you like you said that
last lane you shot you shot you shot very well you know
so you know he kind
of you know he did show up on that last lane but yet you
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know he he shot out of the you know safety is
paramount that we may we have to make sure you know
safety is always uppermost my mind be it you know for the.
Tv show or even hunting you know know your your
what you're shooting at and what's behind it you know that's one of
the principles of safety of the shooting so you know he actually you know shot
outside the lane so it is what it is you know y'all two were right there neck
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and neck y'all was chasing each other's coattails the whole time so and i think
it's paramount to mention that he actually and i thought was pretty admirable
on his part he was the one who said hey i messed up.
We didn't even say it wasn't even it was jeremy who just stepped up and said
hey you know i messed up and it was i mean his integrity is a beyond reproach
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when it came to that and i think it it just says a lot so i you know it was
just when the when yeah when he did it so when he did i was right there next to him.
You know, he knew what he did, and he even took that sigh of breath,
like, ugh, I should have found a lane. I was like, yeah, you did.
So, you know, that's when me and, you know, Tim talked to the host,
and we gave him the decision, you know.
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You know, we couldn't just take, you know, take away one round or two rounds.
You know, it was two or four rounds, so, you know, we couldn't,
you know, gauge or score those targets because we didn't know if he hit or not.
You know, he was outside the lane, didn't follow instructions, so it is what it is.
You know, the Duralyns were going, you're rushing that lane,
that hog's moving down that line and everything, and you're just trying to dump
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those rounds down there, and he shot outside the lane, so it is what it is.
Yeah, so, you know, it was good to see this season.
You know, we're re-airing some of the best parts of this season.
And they're still going on on the Sportsman's Channel.
And it's a lot of cool content that we gathered from there and just to see how
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it kind of, to see the hog and the war on hogs out there is kind of cool.
And they'll kind of get Robert to kind of tell that story.
I think it really gets back to what we do, everybody does from a military perspective. We all train.
It all goes back to basement rifle marksmanship and those little things that
we learn in initial stages and what they kind of mean.
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And and you kind of revert back to those and just to kind of see them kind of
play out was fun to watch and i know we're getting ready patrick to to start
hunting you know get in the whitetail gets ready to kick off here in kentucky
my bow season starts here in like two days,
lucky lucky i gotta wait actually it's on yeah you know saturday we start we
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start bow hunting here saturday got a lot of a lot of deer on trail camera coming
in the wise eyes um trail cameras cameras. We're tracking a lot of stuff.
I've got some stuff I'm looking at down in on.
Here's where it's really cool, Patrick, to talk is the Wise Eye trail camera system.
I have them on our lease in Texas. I got them here on the farm here in Kentucky
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and then the farm down in Alabama.
So being able to see all that stuff and track data to everything is good.
It's going to be really cool.
I killed a monster six point buck that almost a 22 inch spread.
And when we say monster, I mean, it was like, you don't get a chance to kill
a big six pointer that's that wide last year.
And it's all because of that Wise App trail camera that kind of gave us a,
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that, that he was coming in down on the property in Alabama.
But, um, that, that's, Helen will actually be on this season of Army Buck Hunters.
So a lot of cool, you know, as we get ready to open up the buck side of the house,
you know, honey's going to kick off and we're doing something new this year,
aren't we Patrick with with what we're going to do for buck
hunters we kind of today we released on the
website and on social media we're gonna we're putting a feelers out there for
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people military past president they want to do you be part of us and do some
self-filming hunts to have a try to get their stuff on tv and so that's going
to be really something cool for this season season seven as we kind of change
it up on the buck side how excited are you to they can kind of see how that Because that,
you know, we've seen it a little bit before.
We've been, you know, me and Jared, our producer, Deep Port Productions and
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everything, we've been, you know, me and him have been friends over 20 years now.
We started way back when with another Marine buddy of mine back in Logan County, Kentucky.
And we all self-filmed and everything. And, you know, this day and age,
everybody takes out a video camera. Everybody does.
And, you know, they get filming and everything out there. Now we're just opening
up to the military, you know, community, you know, like you said,
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veterans, active duty, whatever, to send their footage in and have it have it shown.
You know, that speaks a part and gives their, you know, gives their face out
there, gives the military community out there, you know, shows the outdoor aspect
of it, you know, and, you know, gives us a face out there.
It's awesome. You know, I got buddies right there in Logan County,
Kentucky, you know, on my farm, you know, looking at my dad showing everybody
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a wise eye game count fix of our big 10 point down there. I'm comparing his
10-point to my 10-point here that I'm coming in. It's called Y-Boy.
So Y's eyes plays a big part in it and analytics and everything else.
So adding that in, adding the military aspect, people submitting their videos,
everything, I highly encourage everybody to just – I don't care if you're just
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first time ever filming, send it in.
Send it in. We can piece it together. We can make it work.
If it's good quality footage and safe and ethical, send it in.
Because we want to catch the raw emotion, those things that get as many,
whether it ends up on a TV show, on social media, or on a YouTube channel.
We want to be able to capture that and kind of tell the story.
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I know Robert's got this bug.
It's kind of back to Robert's kind of get this bug with hunting and everything now.
And we want to kind of share that story with everybody else out there.
And I think that's going to be kind of cool as we move forward this coming deer
season to do some stuff and kind of deal.
Deal i mean i'm super excited we got some
cool stuff happening we're actually headed next week to woodward oklahoma
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to to a expo we'll be in there with the fish tank we'll be doing some cool stuff
and then the following week we'll be at fort cavaso lake belton area for our
annual fishing for freedom event we still need boaters out there guys it's a
big deal for us we need boaters to take all the veterans fishing it's the annual
event that we do to have say thanks to
all the soldiers and retirees and things for all the hard work.
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And we appreciate everybody that gets involved with that.
I know we'll all be there, me and Patrick, and we get to be a part and put that event on.
I'll tell you, it means so much to me. I'm taking a Friday night off from going
to my high school son's football game to be down there.
So you guys, you all know how much in trouble I am. So I'm making a sacrifice
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to come and be a part of that.
Everybody else can sacrifice a little bit of time. We do have Lowrance has come
on board and has donated a HDS 10 Pro to all the boaters that register will
be entered into a drawing to win that HDS 10 Pro.
And so that'll be a really cool deal that we have out there.
And so I think, you know, we were doing some some really cool things.
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I can't wait to see what's going to happen on the hunting side this fall.
You know, got some cool builds that are about to take place on some guns and
put some Hawk optics on them. And, you know, we're good.
You know, I appreciate all the hard work you do, Patrick. And I appreciate Robert
for sharing your time with us and kind of sharing your experience there on the TV show.
And, you know, maybe one day we'll get Patrick with a ring, a belt buckle or
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something, you know. We can bring him on board and maybe he can be part of the game.
Well, you know, Sean, if you want to give everybody a chance,
I mean, you know, invite me onto the Buck Show. and we'll see if I can shoot
a right-handed bow left-handed.
Hey, I want to go against Robert, opening round, you know, first round.
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I'm going to have to cut that. I'm going to have to go back and cut that scene.
We're going to have to post that video from you from, like, season three or
whatever it was when you just, like, almost hyperventilated on the rifle range.
Oh, it was hot. It was hot. It was hot.
We're going to have to post that out there. I think that'll be great content
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for everybody to go back and like, Hey, this is what happens.
You know, when you talk a lot of smack, you know, you have to kind of like,
you got like, uh, whatever.
Cause we, we, I still, I still, I was shot.
Justin, I still, I shot him. That Joker just outshot me with a pistol. That's all it was.
Well, it was really, what was it like 39 to 40 or something like that?
It was like, it was, uh, I was 40 and he, no, I was 39. He was 36 and he came
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back and beat me with a pistol.
And then in season five is when I shot, lights out. Hey, Robert,
38 bullseyes out of 40. Watch out.
40 out of 40 with 38 bullseyes. With what?
AR-15. Oh, I thought you were going to say like a pistol or something.
I said we're 5 for 5 out of pistol at 30 meters. Come on now.
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We started 30 meters with a pistol in the Marine Corps. Oh, that's cute. That's cute.
Hey, deal with a mile wall. Deal with a buzzer mile wall next to the side. Let's see that happen.
Yeah. But those little bitty dogs, they only weigh 45 pounds.
Oh my Lord. So, Hey, we appreciate everybody listening. We hope you guys check
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Coming to you from the Force on Force talk.
Hey, welcome to the Force on Force podcast. I'm your host, Sean Diver.
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We're here in the Force on Force talk.
We've been off for a couple of weeks. We've had a lot going on. We've been
at a couple expos i've been traveling getting back home
getting ready to start deer season here in kentucky and
been traveling a couple football games but we want to catch
you guys up on the end of army hog hunters force on force and bring on patrick
appling and the first ever army hog hunter force on force champion robert richards
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but not only is he the first ever hog hunter beast but also the first ever champion
who's multi we're going to call species champion How are we going to officially
do this title there, Patrick?
Because he won. He won. He won the bass side in season three.
And now he's Army. What's the official title? What are we going to do with this? Oh, my goodness.
It has to be Species. I mean, it's two different genres there.
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I mean, it had to be Species.
Who's Fins? Who's the Fins? You know, all around champ. There we go. I mean, I will say this.
I'm going to ask Robert this question.
First of all, how are you doing, Robert? I'm doing all right. Have you ever beat me?
I've technically never. Well, I don't know how to phrase that.
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Because he knows I can't go into the details because we're filming a TV show.
He's never beat me on TV. That's all I got to say right there.
I beat your partner, though.
I'm 1-0 against him, so I guess I get, hey, you know, at least two of us are
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champions on this podcast.
Oh, man. We were talking about we got Patrick over there.
I mean, you know, how does it feel to be in such esteemed you know membership right now?
We're not really a member, but just in the presence of two people that are members
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of the presence yeah both y'all won't even yeah both y'all want you to rifle against me but you know,
My kryptonite is no longer my kryptonite, so I'm shooting down with my bow and
my archery, you know, my bow and arrow.
So I should be all right for archery season and come Army Buckhunter's force
on force. So we'll see how that goes.
You know, you got to kind of stay on that archery thing.
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I'll share a picture on Buckhunters about, you know, people getting ready for
archery season to open up here, especially in part pretty tight green.
But I'll tell you this, man, I've shot a couple weeks ago down at the Texas
Tribune and I was all over the place. And a lot of it was just not checking
my zero and things like that.
Things that kind of loosened up on my bow and things like that.
You got to kind of stay on top of that. And it's.
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Me and you, Sean, you know, we got a government bow site and everything.
And, you know, buying in both sites.
And, you know, if you don't pull it out, a good buddy of mine a while ago told
me, you know, you need once you get consistent, you're shooting dimes at 20
yards, you know, dimes at 40 yards and everything.
You know, you're basically you're dialed in. and you need to go out at least you
know every other day and shoot one or two arrows
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previous owner of a certain deer lure
i can't say right now but uh you know he's really big into
archery and stuff i mean he told me i go out every other day fire a couple you
know a couple arrows down range and everything just to keep that you know keep
that that muscle memory and and everything in line and everything well not just
that but we do so much traveling i'll tell you like it that thing loosens up
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a little bit, no matter how hard I try to do it.
So it's just kind of, but what are we going to talk about? We're going to talk
about the final championship and really Robert, how that goes down and,
and how it feels and just the deal.
I mean, you know, Robert comes on as a bass guy on this show and you're kind
of the outcast, aren't you?
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've got, you know, I've got a, I've got a gun I've never shot before. Yeah.
Shirt from rory i've got at least my jeans were brand new or my my my creptech
pants were brand new and you know you had to give me an army hog hat because
there was no marine hog hats and then like you said you got me because i had
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your jersey on on a couple of the shoots.
So robert you had my ocd and my
my nco my army nco with me
just the thing the whole time the whole
time hey like like it like in true marine
fashion what do you always say about you marines you get all the hand-me-downs
from the army robert was truly living that living that
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life out there what's your robbery patrick's talking
about army nco i mean i'm senior to patrick
yeah well you should have
been in the right uniform in the right place with everything you
know right when when we go when when duck
tells me hey you're gonna go up and do this
and oh by the way that I get no information about
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it it's like oh well yeah you know I it's because I don't want to do it I'm
like oh okay but you know I to be honest it was good going in with no expectations
and and believe it or not I went with the flow I didn't knows at times I get
a little you know I get a little over myself sometimes especially on the bass side,
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but I just I didn't say anything you said be here be there be here be there
I just did whatever ever anybody wanted.
And I really had no, I had no expectations going in from that standpoint.
I think that's why I was calm as I was through most of it.
I just didn't have any expectations and I learned a lot and had a lot of fun.
Yeah, I think that's kind of key. I know, Patrick, you guys did a good job kind
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of setting that up and kind of keeping everybody on their toes.
And I know, you know, you saw a lot from different competitors,
but what was your kind of impression from Robert from that perspective?
Robert came, you know, it wasn't nonchalant. He was calm, cool, and collective.
You know, some of the other competitors that have been on the show has competed,
you know, either force on force, army bass angler, force on force, army buck hunter.
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But this is the first ever army buck hunter. hunter and you
know you had you had two past national champs there he had another
guy that competed against me a couple times you know and they all
wanted to win they were hungry you know robert comes in there humble
you know you know slow the smooth moves as fast i kept saying that through the
lanes and he went in there and executed he shot consistent the whole time and
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just progressed throughout the lanes and then at nighttime he knocked down hogs
so he progressed throughout throughout the course hey here's the other thing robert you're left
-handed aren't you i am so talk about how different that is shooting perspective wise.
Especially you know shooting not something that's
your weapons because we use the same weapon paired up with
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that hawk scope to to kind of work give it
a level playing field when we're doing the shooting company now everybody shot
their own weapon when we're shooting that sort of hunting stuff but how does
that like play into it you know i know most people don't most of i'd say a large
percentage of us are right-handed and so we don't ever think about when you're
shooting a round ejected out of a semi-automatic platform how does that affect
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you from when you're in that,
well and just small background i mean i'm right-handed but i'm left eye dominant
and i had a lot of early on when i younger in my life i had i had with my my
retina and it kind of fixed itself was still fairly, I couldn't see real well.
And my dad was always giving me a hard time when I was shooting because he's
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like, why are you leaning your head over the rifle? And I'm like,
I can't see out of my right eye.
For years and would not let me switch well fast forward
i go to my stepdad and my stepdad does the old diamond trick
you know where he says hey put a diamond up on a target close your eye
can you see anything no he switched me over left-handed and ever since then
as a kid i mean it was it was pretty natural but transition in the military
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i'm like you said i'm using a right-handed rifle on a firing line i'm catching
brass and the you know we're in the marine corps we shoot We don't shoot known
distance. We don't shoot a lot of combat courses.
It's marksmanship training. And I can't tell you how many times I had to wait
a good minute or two to see where the other brass was going before I ever sat
down in my placement, you know, into whatever shooting position I was in.
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I don't know what if you have a properly sighted rifle
I think with a scope I think anyone should be able to pretty
much pick it up and be able to at least you know
hit the target and the I shot really well the first round no and all I did was
adjust the focus I just tried to you know you just kind of tried to adjust a
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lot of time to think so it was can I see through it see the target and And then just remember my,
you know, remember the principles of shooting. That's all I tried to do.
I messed up. When they said use shooting sticks, I didn't use my sticks till the last round.
And just not practicing like you guys were just talking earlier about a bow.
I hadn't really shot a lot in the last 20 years, or I should say the last 12 since I retired.
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And, you know, it just took, believe it or not, almost till that last round
for my muscle memory to actually start, begin to come back.
And that was the biggest key. I mean, your rifle shot, fine, Sean.
I mean, like I said, I did good in the first round. And then I just don't know
if I, you know, I don't know what happened, but I did a lot of,
I just did a lot of focusing on that last round. I knew it was coming down really tight.
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I saw all those red hearts go down, by the way, Patrick, you didn't count them
on the show, but all those red hearts got shot.
I physically watched each of them in my, in the scope go move, go like flip.
So I think it was a couple of points, It was a splash. It was a splash. That's what it was.
Okay. But that's the big thing is I don't think it really matters right-handed
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or left-handed unless you're shooting around multiple people.
And on my nights, I did make sure my partners, you know, when we positioned
shooting, we positioned my shooting two lanes.
I had everything from straight ahead.
They had everything from straight ahead back to the left. So that way we kept
our fields of fire and we didn't interlock and we didn't, you know, we didn't do any of that.
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Safety was, was paramount when we were out there.
So Robert, you were talking about, you know, we, we, it was Sean's rifle and everything.
And, you know, Sean has stuff zeroed, his hawk scope zeroed to him.
Was you worried about, you know, his optic being zeroed to somebody else or
did that play a part? Yeah.
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It concerned me was my Wiley X sunglasses are also prescription.
So I was looking through prescription glasses through a scope.
That was that joint. And I was worried about getting some refraction out of
my scope or not my scope out of my sunglasses because they're,
you know, even though they're, you know, they're prescription,
they're still have a slight curve to them.
So you have some, what's that called in there? You have some distortion.
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Yeah. That was the only thing that concerned me is I didn't have this.
But, I mean, I had to put it in perspective.
You know, there was a lot of talk about shooting your own gun, doing this, doing that.
Shooting one gun, everyone had the same, I don't want to call it constraints,
but we all had the same, you know, the same set of rules. So there was...
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It was through one standard and everything. Well, you had one weapon system and everything.
But you know one thing that that I learned in the military, you know If they
me and Sean was out there and and he was to go down I'm able to pick up his
weapon and still be able to get rounds on target You sort of say,
you know, if it's zeroed, especially in a scope,
you know Millimeters is going to be off.
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It's not it's not a big big big deal So we kind of want to put level of playing
field, you know, we've done, you know I can't really go into the details details of it.
But some Some operations that I did as a dog handler and stuff, we trained for that.
If a person goes down and their weapon goes down and you're out of ammo,
I'm going to grab Sean's weapon and still be able to fire down range.
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It's kind of the same concept that lane.
It's one weapon system. You have an equal platform throughout for every competitor.
So, I mean, everybody had the same standard and able to fire down range.
I didn't know that played into your concept of thinking and trying to compete
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against other competitors.
In the Marine Corps, battle site zero, the BZ is 300 yards. That's what we set
our rifles to is 300 yards.
But, yeah, no, believe it or not, I didn't nervous.
Well, Jeremy took the lead and went into the final shooting.
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And I don't think that I got nervous till I was walking up there to shoot.
Because I had had no pressure. I mean, yeah, I had to lead most of the time.
And, you know, the points were what they were, you know, and that's how they fell.
But like Sean said, you guys could see on the drone, there were a lot of hogs
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around a lot of people that they never even got close to.
So, the potential in some of those zones, they could have blew out of the water.
You know, I mean, really, I mean.
Let me tell you robert you know when y'all all the competitors left
me and sean went out walking around that the
next night me and
sean put 14 hogs on the ground and you
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know y'all talked like you know me and i thought sean's name
out there he was very good and her first time i've seen him hog hunting stuff
a lot of people didn't plan on the hunt you know here in south texas and especially
you know this is a hog cabin down here spot and stop spot move move move you
know a spot bite on top of hill you're gonna spot and stop you walk towards
them you're gonna put hogs down
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and then you go glass some more and move to spot and stop
me and sean dropped 14 hogs and we won't talk about his 300 yard shot i'll get
to that probably later luckiest shot i've ever seen in my life lucky lucky lucky
but i think you know coming in people had time to game plan so again this is
a learning event a lot of y'all didn't have a lot of experience hog hunting but like Like you said,
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you know, me and Sean sitting there watching the drone, you know,
and recon and surveying, there's hogs everywhere.
They just got to glass in that thermal and moved down a little bit.
Glass in that thermal, moved down a minute.
Put boots on ground and walked, man, y'all could have dropped 14,
15, 20 hogs a night. There were hogs all over the place.
I think here you bring an interesting point, Patrick, and I'll throw this out
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to Robert and to Patrick.
We all know this from our time in the military and i think this is kind of a
point to bring home you kind of alluded to a little bit how much do you tend
to misjudge distance at night,
versus the daytime i think that's that's a kind of a key takeaway oh yeah there's yeah that,
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i didn't realize and you guys had the drone overhead i
didn't realize that that one hog we shot
we were laying down the prone i didn't realize it was only that when
we laid there and it walked up i didn't realize it was only 25 yards from us
right i had no idea that it was actually that close you know right you know
you're you're seeing them out there on your thermal and you know i made a couple
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longer shots i wasn't even close to them because they were only like,
60 yards from me but they were like 150 from me you know and yeah it and it,
It was a big challenge. It was better to spot, stalk, and then they were heading
toward you. Just lay down and wait for them to come in at that point.
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I think that was the better choice.
I think a key takeaway with that, and Ray, I'll kind of tell it to the listeners out there.
So I'll take it to land nav, and so you can kind of – so the listeners can understand.
So if you do – every soldier, Marine, you taught basic land nav skills,
and you have what's called a pace count.
Your pace count is the number of steps that
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you take that equal 100 meters we have what's
called a daytime pace count you have a nighttime pace
count because you typically don't take as long as steps
at night and so you half step at night
and you don't realize you you get to misjudging distance at
night you think you're actually you know going farther than
you are and distance at night becomes such a
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you know those little things you do right i know
that that that's kind of the to take away patrick alluded to
that shot that i made but what he's not the
real behind the scene story is we tried to shoot a group
of four earlier tonight that we totally jacked
up i mean all honestly because we did misjudge the distance on him right and
patrick and i walked the distance and now i would tell you the only reason i
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shot that one later in the night is because we missed the first ones of that
first group that night and we realized really quick that it was like Like what
we think distance is, it's not what the distance is.
And we got to, we got to be like, we, we adjusted really quick.
And I think that's, you know, that's kind of what plays into it that night.
That distance deal is like, so, so dear. See, when you're shooting daytime,
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anybody can look out there and be like, oh, that's 50, 60 yards. That's a hundred yards.
That's that. But at night it kind of changes the perspective of it, you know?
And so that's, that was kind of cool to see that kind of replicated at there,
because I think that was, you say you had no stress walking up,
but any, any of those guys, if they had figured that out, could have really
brought, had killed a lot of hogs out there because there was ample,
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ample opportunity to do that.
It was just incredible to see a lot of that going on.
What'd they call our area? The pipeline, I think is what they called it. Yeah.
The pipeline. And you, and you know, that, that last, that one
feeder out in the middle and I I'm watching footage
you know from you guys from you know what you guys were
looking at and to the right of that feeder behind those
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that grove of trees was like 50 or 60 hogs
just sitting back over there you know that wasn't that wasn't
more than 75 yards from where we were at no yeah
man yeah it was kind
of kind of kind of neat to see how that come on
play and that's really how that drone kind of plays into it to
be able to see that bigger picture and to see what see how
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it goes from that but so so you
did you did shoot and you know you won
the championship and i know you said you weren't stressed until you walked up
there and you still didn't know till we got back to the talk i mean after you
shot how did you kind of feel like what was you know what was your thoughts
after after the shooting well i i knew i should i knew i shot smooth better
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and i swore and patrick's like.
Damn it now we can't use that you know it's like right because
i was like man i shot that you know you know what out of that yeah you
know and um and walking back you know walking back
they're saying not saying anything commanders are like you know got thomas
saying how you did and justin's like dude that sounded really smooth he goes
there wasn't like much hiccups at all and and i was like yeah i said i think
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i did pretty good but you know a couple you know a couple and they could tell
that i you know that i had shot pretty good because i hadn't you know taught crap real hard.
And, you know, but, and Justin knows me and a few of them know me and I was real quiet.
So they, I think they knew when I was quiet that I, that I had done pretty good
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because yeah, I, like I said, I didn't get nervous till shoot that final, that final range.
I didn't get nervous at all. And then I, then I started, then I had some nerves
gone and I was like, man, I could actually probably win this thing.
And i mean i went in thinking i'm gonna
finish last don't show you know i'm gonna show i'm gonna
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you know show that marines can't shoot i mean i'm gonna i've got
all these things running through my head but yeah
yeah i think that's that's i think one
thing we did was we brought over from typically
from the buck side they everybody had kind of known
how everybody's kind of shot i mean but i
think was was kind of cool was we brought over something from the
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bass side of the house where you don't really
know which you kind of alluded to nobody we didn't
let we didn't let each of you watch how each of
you shot even after the other person other groups
of shots so everybody's shooting was completely isolated from
everybody so it was almost like that thing from
similar to the bass side of the house you don't
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know until you get back to that talk of
them like did you kind of feel that same thing that you felt in
season three kind of deal that same familiar feeling
of i don't i think i got it but i don't know i uh
i i knew how i knew.
How well he was shooting yeah and you know and i didn't know and then you know
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patrick says jeremy and you shot the lights out you know you did all this and
you're and then they say you're the top shooter and i'm like well crap i lost
you know and i kind of had a little deflation because at first i had Like I said,
never entered my mind until the last round. And then I was to play, and I was like, man.
Then I was kind of disappointed because I thought I didn't win.
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And that's when I knew it was kind of real. When I thought I didn't win,
I'm like, man, I got that close.
What if I had gone out? And things through my head is, what if I had actually
went out and shot some more? What if I had done this? What if I had done that?
Would that have made a difference? You know, what if I'd shot one more hog or,
you know, all those what ifs go in, it's like, but it cleared. So it was.
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That was the real emotion part of it that, you know, that I didn't try to,
you know, that I didn't show or you guys didn't know.
But I actually was a little upset when I thought I didn't win because then I
was like, man, what? You know, I just came and had fun.
But what would happen if I actually were to put a little effort together,
you know, a little more effort, you know, going in.
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Right. I mean, I'll tell you, the average Marine, believe it or not,
shoots pretty well, especially known distance.
They all do. by the time they come out of boot camp and do everything
else they they shoot really well i shot
all my life but shooting our
weapons that we shoot is a completely different thing than a lot
of our you know a lot of our regular long gun you
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know bold action rifles but the principles of
shooting are the same but there are some differences but yeah
i was a little disappointed when i thought i lost i
mean that's kind of fun i mean i know patrick enjoyed
kind of messing how much fun is the host at
patrick how much fun is it to get to mess with the guys when that happens
it's pretty fun it's pretty fun messing with
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them you know i know those lanes were pretty challenging we try
to try to set it up to resemble you know the the aspect
of hog hunting and stuff like that and you know
one of the things is you know i got my hats off to robert he
paid attention to detail and followed instructions and
everything you know there was a time it's my first time i'm
hosting so i didn't know if all my instructions were was you know
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to the point and everybody understood i was making sure hey do
you understand do you understand you know and robert hey
man my hat's off to you man i told you the lane of fire you went
down there and and you like you said that
last lane you shot you shot you shot very well you know
so you know he kind
of you know he did show up on that last lane but yet you
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know he he shot out of the you know safety is
paramount that we may we have to make sure you know
safety is always uppermost my mind be it you know for the.
Tv show or even hunting you know know your your
what you're shooting at and what's behind it you know that's one of
the principles of safety of the shooting so you know he actually you know shot
outside the lane so it is what it is you know y'all two were right there neck
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and neck y'all was chasing each other's coattails the whole time so and i think
it's paramount to mention that he actually and i thought was pretty admirable
on his part he was the one who said hey i messed up.
We didn't even say it wasn't even it was jeremy who just stepped up and said
hey you know i messed up and it was i mean his integrity is a beyond reproach
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when it came to that and i think it it just says a lot so i you know it was
just when the when yeah when he did it so when he did i was right there next to him.
You know, he knew what he did, and he even took that sigh of breath,
like, ugh, I should have found a lane. I was like, yeah, you did.
So, you know, that's when me and, you know, Tim talked to the host,
and we gave him the decision, you know.
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You know, we couldn't just take, you know, take away one round or two rounds.
You know, it was two or four rounds, so, you know, we couldn't,
you know, gauge or score those targets because we didn't know if he hit or not.
You know, he was outside the lane, didn't follow instructions, so it is what it is.
You know, the Duralyns were going, you're rushing that lane,
that hog's moving down that line and everything, and you're just trying to dump
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those rounds down there, and he shot outside the lane, so it is what it is.
Yeah, so, you know, it was good to see this season.
You know, we're re-airing some of the best parts of this season.
And they're still going on on the Sportsman's Channel.
And it's a lot of cool content that we gathered from there and just to see how
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it kind of, to see the hog and the war on hogs out there is kind of cool.
And they'll kind of get Robert to kind of tell that story.
I think it really gets back to what we do, everybody does from a military perspective. We all train.
It all goes back to basement rifle marksmanship and those little things that
we learn in initial stages and what they kind of mean.
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And and you kind of revert back to those and just to kind of see them kind of
play out was fun to watch and i know we're getting ready patrick to to start
hunting you know get in the whitetail gets ready to kick off here in kentucky
my bow season starts here in like two days,
lucky lucky i gotta wait actually it's on yeah you know saturday we start we
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start bow hunting here saturday got a lot of a lot of deer on trail camera coming
in the wise eyes um trail cameras cameras. We're tracking a lot of stuff.
I've got some stuff I'm looking at down in on.
Here's where it's really cool, Patrick, to talk is the Wise Eye trail camera system.
I have them on our lease in Texas. I got them here on the farm here in Kentucky
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and then the farm down in Alabama.
So being able to see all that stuff and track data to everything is good.
It's going to be really cool.
I killed a monster six point buck that almost a 22 inch spread.
And when we say monster, I mean, it was like, you don't get a chance to kill
a big six pointer that's that wide last year.
And it's all because of that Wise App trail camera that kind of gave us a,
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that, that he was coming in down on the property in Alabama.
But, um, that, that's, Helen will actually be on this season of Army Buck Hunters.
So a lot of cool, you know, as we get ready to open up the buck side of the house,
you know, honey's going to kick off and we're doing something new this year,
aren't we Patrick with with what we're going to do for buck
hunters we kind of today we released on the
website and on social media we're gonna we're putting a feelers out there for
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people military past president they want to do you be part of us and do some
self-filming hunts to have a try to get their stuff on tv and so that's going
to be really something cool for this season season seven as we kind of change
it up on the buck side how excited are you to they can kind of see how that Because that,
you know, we've seen it a little bit before.
We've been, you know, me and Jared, our producer, Deep Port Productions and
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everything, we've been, you know, me and him have been friends over 20 years now.
We started way back when with another Marine buddy of mine back in Logan County, Kentucky.
And we all self-filmed and everything. And, you know, this day and age,
everybody takes out a video camera. Everybody does.
And, you know, they get filming and everything out there. Now we're just opening
up to the military, you know, community, you know, like you said,
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veterans, active duty, whatever, to send their footage in and have it have it shown.
You know, that speaks a part and gives their, you know, gives their face out
there, gives the military community out there, you know, shows the outdoor aspect
of it, you know, and, you know, gives us a face out there.
It's awesome. You know, I got buddies right there in Logan County,
Kentucky, you know, on my farm, you know, looking at my dad showing everybody
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a wise eye game count fix of our big 10 point down there. I'm comparing his
10-point to my 10-point here that I'm coming in. It's called Y-Boy.
So Y's eyes plays a big part in it and analytics and everything else.
So adding that in, adding the military aspect, people submitting their videos,
everything, I highly encourage everybody to just – I don't care if you're just
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first time ever filming, send it in.
Send it in. We can piece it together. We can make it work.
If it's good quality footage and safe and ethical, send it in.
Because we want to catch the raw emotion, those things that get as many,
whether it ends up on a TV show, on social media, or on a YouTube channel.
We want to be able to capture that and kind of tell the story.
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I know Robert's got this bug.
It's kind of back to Robert's kind of get this bug with hunting and everything now.
And we want to kind of share that story with everybody else out there.
And I think that's going to be kind of cool as we move forward this coming deer
season to do some stuff and kind of deal.
Deal i mean i'm super excited we got some
cool stuff happening we're actually headed next week to woodward oklahoma
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to to a expo we'll be in there with the fish tank we'll be doing some cool stuff
and then the following week we'll be at fort cavaso lake belton area for our
annual fishing for freedom event we still need boaters out there guys it's a
big deal for us we need boaters to take all the veterans fishing it's the annual
event that we do to have say thanks to
all the soldiers and retirees and things for all the hard work.
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And we appreciate everybody that gets involved with that.
I know we'll all be there, me and Patrick, and we get to be a part and put that event on.
I'll tell you, it means so much to me. I'm taking a Friday night off from going
to my high school son's football game to be down there.
So you guys, you all know how much in trouble I am. So I'm making a sacrifice
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to come and be a part of that.
Everybody else can sacrifice a little bit of time. We do have Lowrance has come
on board and has donated a HDS 10 Pro to all the boaters that register will
be entered into a drawing to win that HDS 10 Pro.
And so that'll be a really cool deal that we have out there.
And so I think, you know, we were doing some some really cool things.
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I can't wait to see what's going to happen on the hunting side this fall.
You know, got some cool builds that are about to take place on some guns and
put some Hawk optics on them. And, you know, we're good.
You know, I appreciate all the hard work you do, Patrick. And I appreciate Robert
for sharing your time with us and kind of sharing your experience there on the TV show.
And, you know, maybe one day we'll get Patrick with a ring, a belt buckle or
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something, you know. We can bring him on board and maybe he can be part of the game.
Well, you know, Sean, if you want to give everybody a chance,
I mean, you know, invite me onto the Buck Show. and we'll see if I can shoot
a right-handed bow left-handed.
Hey, I want to go against Robert, opening round, you know, first round.
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I'm going to have to cut that. I'm going to have to go back and cut that scene.
We're going to have to post that video from you from, like, season three or
whatever it was when you just, like, almost hyperventilated on the rifle range.
Oh, it was hot. It was hot. It was hot.
We're going to have to post that out there. I think that'll be great content
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for everybody to go back and like, Hey, this is what happens.
You know, when you talk a lot of smack, you know, you have to kind of like,
you got like, uh, whatever.
Cause we, we, I still, I still, I was shot.
Justin, I still, I shot him. That Joker just outshot me with a pistol. That's all it was.
Well, it was really, what was it like 39 to 40 or something like that?
It was like, it was, uh, I was 40 and he, no, I was 39. He was 36 and he came
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back and beat me with a pistol.
And then in season five is when I shot, lights out. Hey, Robert,
38 bullseyes out of 40. Watch out.
40 out of 40 with 38 bullseyes. With what?
AR-15. Oh, I thought you were going to say like a pistol or something.
I said we're 5 for 5 out of pistol at 30 meters. Come on now.
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We started 30 meters with a pistol in the Marine Corps. Oh, that's cute. That's cute.
Hey, deal with a mile wall. Deal with a buzzer mile wall next to the side. Let's see that happen.
Yeah. But those little bitty dogs, they only weigh 45 pounds.
Oh my Lord. So, Hey, we appreciate everybody listening. We hope you guys check
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