USAID, Syria & Bonnie Blue: Rogue Roundtable | Episode 5

Lara, Luke and Keith discuss government corruption via USAID, the ongoing problems in Syria, and the way social media is driving society towards moral decay.

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Episode Transcript

Lara (00:00):
I cannot get my head around a thousand men
in less than 24 hours.
She said in that clip the longest break I
took was three minutes and I think I took
four breaks.

Luke (00:11):
In 24 hours.

Lara (00:12):
In 24 hours.

Luke (00:13):
She's also.

Lara (00:14):
That is not human.

Luke (00:16):
That's not human at all, and she's been
vocal about setting a positive example for
female empowerment.

Lara (00:21):
No, that's not empowerment, that's a lie.
Welcome to Going Rogue with Laura Logan and
my co-host, luke Coffey.

(00:42):
Good to have you, luke.

Luke (00:43):
It's great to be here with you In
Fredericksburg, texas, guys.
We're at our new studio here In flyover
country.
Flyover country, that's right In the
beautiful, in rural America.
Rural America.

Lara (00:54):
I mean, how dare you do a show from rural
America?

Luke (00:58):
I know, it's one of the prettiest parts of
Texas, though, I know, but is it diverse
enough?
I know, I know, right, you know.
Hey, by the way, who's in your lap there?

Lara (01:07):
Wait, oh, this is honey oh this is okay, so
this is, this is our.
This is our weekly version of the View, the.
View right, we're looking for names to send
your suggestions in the comments.
We have not decided yet on how to name the
show.
This is, it is, oh she.

(01:29):
Honey, you don't want to talk today?

Luke (01:30):
You've seen honey in other episodes, but we
haven't introduced her and honey and we got
Keith over there.
Howdy.

Keith (01:39):
Can we see you, Keith?

Lara (01:41):
You got me.
Yeah, Keith, he's the only one doing any
work at this show.

Luke (01:44):
He really does all of it, all of it,
actually, yeah.

Lara (01:47):
In fact, there would be no Going Rogue
without Keith.

Luke (01:49):
No, that's why he's, you know, right under
you, but he's our executive producer, so he
does a lot of wears many hats.

Lara (01:58):
You know, under me sounds weird.
No, that does sound inappropriate,
inappropriate and he's a happily married
man and I am.

Luke (02:03):
And you're a happily married woman?

Lara (02:04):
Yes, I don't know how happy.
No, I'm just kidding.

Luke (02:08):
Okay, I'm kidding it's not fun out here
being single in the single lane.

Lara (02:12):
Well, you chose to move to a small town.

Luke (02:14):
I did, but I'm loving it so far.
Joined the wellness center.
I'm going to lose 30 or 40 pounds.
Maybe Chalk can help with that.
Chalk can help with that.

Lara (02:21):
But uh, Chuck, that's one of our sponsors,
yeah, it is Um, but I'm doing some spin
class.
They're going to help you lose weight.
I don't care about your spin class.
Don't tell me about that no you can join
with me.

Luke (02:31):
You want to join?

Lara (02:32):
No, I just, I just canceled my membership.

Luke (02:34):
I did it's pretty fancy there for
Fredericksburg.

Lara (02:37):
What are you talking?
What do you think?
Treating us like some backwater, what do
you think?
This is, luke.
Okay, so what we have here is we're going
to be taking on a few interesting subjects
every week.
We will be looking for input from you.
We'll take a subject from the audience and

(02:57):
we'll discuss that next time, because we're
not live yet, but in the meantime we have.
So Keith and Luke and I are all putting
forward subjects that we want to discuss
every week and things that are relevant,
obviously, and we're going to start today
with this issue at USAID, which is not the

(03:22):
cutting of the agency and the slash and
burning of foreign aid programs, which
actually turned out not to all be foreign
aid programs, because there was over $200
million to George Soros and his program to
put in prosecutors across the legal system
here.
Oh, did you see that George Soros had lots

(03:42):
of nasty things to say about Trump at the
World Economic Forum?

Luke (03:45):
I did not.

Video (03:45):
Wait, did I say World Economic Forum?
It's not called that.
I meant the World Enslavement Forum, right,
enslavement.

Luke (03:49):
Forum yes, the.

Lara (03:49):
World Enslavement Forum.
Yeah, kind of ironic.

Luke (03:52):
Klaus Schwab.
Klaus Schwab Sounds like a Nazi.
You know when he speaks, springtime for
Hitler in.

Lara (04:00):
Germany, germany, it is.
It actually is springtime, is it, isn't it
what?

Luke (04:04):
are we now Almost.
It's March, it is springtime.
It's springtime for Hitler.
We just sprung forward At the World
Enslavement Forum.
Yes.

Lara (04:11):
Since they love to throw Hitler, around, I
can think of no greater candidate than
Klaus Schwab.

Luke (04:17):
He's falling on his footsteps, for sure.

Lara (04:18):
Yes.
So George Soros had a lot of interesting
things to say about Donald Trump in his
speech at the World Enslavement Forum,
which, by the way, I was proud to see, has
blocked me on X.

Luke (04:29):
That's a big.
We need a round of applause for that.
Congratulations, that's incredible.
That's a big accomplishment.

Lara (04:35):
Yeah, Keith, you can throw that screenshot
in there.
I think I said never been prouder.
Never been prouder To be blocked by the
global cult.

Luke (04:45):
That's going rogue right there.
I've never heard of it.
That's going rogue right there.

Lara (04:49):
And so what did George Soros have to say
about Donald Trump?
He said something about his narcissistic
sort of pathological tendencies, which was
really ironic coming from the ultimate
psychotic pathological.

Luke (05:04):
He's straight out of like a superhero movie.
He's like an evil character.
I would cast him.

Lara (05:11):
I would take issue with the superhero part.

Luke (05:13):
Well, he's not a superhero.
Yeah, I mean a supervillain.
Yeah, supervillain, that's what I mean.
Supervillain, yeah.

Lara (05:20):
You know what's ironic, though you know
that, saying that only the good die young
Like.
Why is it that people like really evil
people, do seem to just live forever?
I mean, he's Saurus, has handed over to his
evil empire to his sons now, oh I know, but
he's still going, he's still alive.

Luke (05:40):
He's like the Ever-Ready.
Bunny.
I know he's still spreading vitriol.
I mean, I will celebrate the day he passes
on.

Lara (05:48):
You're not allowed to say that To the
darkness.
Aren't you supposed to be a good Christian?

Luke (05:51):
No, no, satan can take him soon.
What do you mean?
No, yeah, no, no, satan can.
But he wants, he'll be happy, it's going to
be hot.

Lara (06:04):
Okay, so on this show.
Of course, we are not fans of George Soros.

Luke (06:10):
No we're not.

Lara (06:11):
We're just really not.

Luke (06:12):
Or just a globalist enslavement program at
all.
Yes, that's also not fans of that either.
No.

Lara (06:18):
No, but going back to USAID let's not get
too sidetracked here, Right.
So the topic, the big topic was, of course,
this email.
Politico ran the big story that the acting
director of USAID had sent out this mass
shred and burn email, which was on,

(06:38):
strangely enough, covered by MSNBC, which
always makes me curious.
It's like, wow, okay, we know that if NBC
is covering it, they're not going to do
anything that's going to help the Trump
administration.

Luke (06:50):
Absolutely so it's.
Why are they doing that?
That's the question of the day.
But it's pretty awful if they're covering
it.
So it's.
I mean.
I mean they're burning, they're getting rid
of shredding documents.
That doesn't sound like.
That sounds like they're covering a crime,
doesn't it?

Lara (07:06):
It doesn't sound good it doesn't sound good.
No, in fact it sounds not just like you're
covering a crime, but you're committing a
crime as well.

Luke (07:12):
You're committing crime in general doing
that.

Lara (07:15):
Because the standard has always been, you
know, in terms of government accountability
and record keeping.
Right Now, of course, the White House
spokesperson and one of the spokespeople at
the White House did respond tell Fox News
that this was not a crime at all.
Fake news.
Fake news.
Fake news, hysteria.
Fake news, hysteria and that these

(07:36):
documents were sort of not important, not
relevant documents, not relevant documents.
Everybody handling the shred and burn had
security clearances and that there were
backup copies on servers, on classified
servers, so that you're not really getting.
Technically, they're getting around the

(07:57):
record-keeping part of it by saying that
the records themselves still exist right.
Right.
However, my question would be I'm not a big
fan of digital records.
I got to say that's true.
I'm just not.
I know I'm old-fashioned, I know I'm a
dinosaur.
I am also not a fan of AI.

Luke (08:13):
Those can be deleted too, right Hillary?

Lara (08:15):
Well, they can be altered.

Luke (08:16):
Altered and changed.

Lara (08:17):
And sure you can see that they've been
altered.
But you can also write programs that
conceal that they've been altered.
I don't know.
What does Keith think?

Keith (08:25):
I think you have to have both.

Lara (08:27):
You have to have both.
Yeah, so you can compare.

Keith (08:30):
Yes, and because you know, in order to like
for what Doge is doing.
I mean, I think they're doing a lot of the
work using digital files, I'm sure, in
order to process information, like in mass
amounts quickly.

Lara (08:43):
Yeah.

Keith (08:43):
But then you have to have the paper trail
to support it To compare and especially in
government.
I mean the whole point is.
I mean, they're supposed to be accountable
to the people.

Luke (08:54):
Transparency.

Keith (08:54):
Absolutely.
They should be having you know.
There should be transparency.

Lara (08:58):
Now I would point out that the people do
not have access to either the paper or the
digital records.

Keith (09:05):
That's right.

Lara (09:07):
So how are they really accountable to the
people?
Because we don't have access to any of it,
but in theory—.

Keith (09:13):
They haven't even been accountable to
Congress.

Lara (09:15):
Well, they certainly have not, Although
what does Congress do with that?
Anyway, we've yet to see Congress do
anything with accountability.
I mean, you know and we have.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt,
yeah, because we're what?
50-something days in giving them a chance
to do something about it, but we haven't

(09:38):
seen Congress doing a whole lot.
And really, if you look at the political
calendar, you've got about three months
before it's all about the midterms, that's
true.
And if you think that stolen elections only
apply to presidential elections, come on.
What would be the?

(10:00):
If you're the deep state, what would be the
number one thing that you would do?
You're going to wait out.
Donald Trump, right?
You're going to like a snake, you're going
to just shed your skin.
You're going to take on whatever skin you
need to.
You're going to do whatever you can to slow
down, subvert.
I mean, we've seen it with law fair more
than 100 lawsuits already against the Trump

(10:20):
administration.
So that's slowing down every single thing
that you can do.
You're going to subvert from within.
You're going to block everything you can
and you're going to wait it out.
And then, what are you going to do?
You're going to try to take that slim
majority that they have in the House and
the Senate and then strangle them in

(10:45):
Congress for the rest of his term.
Right, because you already know he can't
run again.

Luke (10:52):
It's wild, I mean.
So this is.
I mean this whole directive, with the
burning and shredding of the documents
which we need to watch the report about it
and read the email.
But this is in response to the Trump
administration reducing USAID operations
83% of its programs abroad and the closure
they closed the Washington offices.

Lara (11:13):
Yeah, well, they're moving all the foreign
assistance into the state department.

Luke (11:16):
Into the state, yeah.

Lara (11:18):
So you know for colloquially, anybody who's
been in the field dealing with USAID,
anybody who's been in the field dealing
with USAID, dealing with the agency.
It's just that everyone has always known
that USAID is a front for the CIA.

Luke (11:33):
You've been saying it for a long time.

Lara (11:35):
I've been saying it forever, for years.

Luke (11:38):
Isn't that kind of nice validation, Laura,
when all these truths that you've been
called a conspiracy theorist I mean, we're
here at the five-year anniversary.

Lara (11:46):
I don't know what that is.
A conspiracy theorist, luke, you're a
conspiracy realist.
I don't know what that is.
That's another CIA talking point.
Right, did we vet this man?

Keith (11:52):
No, we have not.
We have not vetted him.
You were called a conspiracy theorist.

Lara (11:56):
That's a mistake.

Keith (11:59):
That's about him.

Lara (12:01):
It wasn't he involved in J6?.
Are you an insurrectionist?

Keith (12:03):
I am an insurrectionist.

Lara (12:05):
How dare you poke fun at one of the worst
days in the history of the United States of
America?

Luke (12:10):
Yeah, it was the worst day since Pearl
Harbor and 9-11 and Civil War actually.

Lara (12:14):
It was.
I personally feel very threatened by the
fact that you prayed at the Capitol on
January 6th.
I think that's very good.

Luke (12:22):
I mean well speaking of accountability.

Lara (12:23):
That's terrifying.

Luke (12:24):
Speaking of accountability, those that have
been persecuted.
I'm one of 1,600.
We have seen lawfare come after us and we
would like to see now that there's
transparency.
We would like to see accountability for
crimes that have been committed.
Just what's happening.

Lara (12:44):
There's exposures great but if there's not
a follow-up to that, Well, okay, so you
raised two important points there, and one
of those points is that something that is
happening to a lot of January 6th
defendants is that the Justice Department
is, for example, not returning their
possessions.
No Right, Still waiting on mine FBI oh

(13:07):
there you go and also, you know, still
holding January 6th defendants to
post-release provisions Right, and the
pardon, clearly the presidential pardon
from President Donald Trump clearly ends
the entire sentence.
It's done, it's gone.

(13:28):
So you're not supposed to still be held to
these probationary conditions.
Can't do this, can't do that.
I mean it's and there's increasingly.
I mean I've been talking to a number of
different J6ers.
They're still being prevented from really
taking their place in society.

Luke (13:50):
Well, we're still tarnished.
I mean, it's already been and, honestly, if
you Google my name right now, it still
comes up from the DOJ, their press release,
that I was convicted of seven of eight
charges.
So they haven't cleared, they haven't said
well, actually, no, his case has been
dropped, which is what happened with your
case?

Lara (14:11):
Because you had the weirdest, weirdest case
where you actually your case ended.
You went to trial because you didn't want
to bear false witness and plead guilty to
the charges, which were that you were
accused of a variety of things, including
assault with a deadly weapon.

Luke (14:27):
A one-pound crutch assaulting a female DC
Metro cop that three times on the stand
said I'd never touched her and the video
evidence backed that up.

Lara (14:37):
Yet I was still convicted by a judge, yet
somehow you were still convicted.
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luke, what you did is when you were at the
Capitol and you could hear people screaming

(16:02):
you could hear a woman screaming.
Yes.
You went over to where this crush of people
was being pushed out of the west tunnel
entrance by the police.

Keith (16:10):
And you prayed Also being pushed into the
tunnel.

Lara (16:13):
Well, before that, they were being pushed
into the tunnel before and then being
pushed back.

Luke (16:17):
Yeah, provocateurs were pushing from behind
into the tunnel.
So it was this kind of battle that was
going on, but it was yeah.
And so it was this kind of battle that was
going on, but it was yeah, and I had no, I
believed it was.
There was a false flag operation going on.
There was I don't know if I've ever told
you this, but there was a gentleman that
walked.
They're saying the same line there are
people dying inside, we need patriots up

(16:37):
here.
And then there was a commander they called
him the scaffolding commander that was
yelling get your weapons and pull forward.
This guy's never been charged to that day,
to this day, or was never charged.

Lara (16:52):
So even at the time, in the midst of all of
this, you felt like it was a setup.

Luke (16:56):
Oh yes, so I'd been warned by a buddy that
was former Naval Intelligence that could be
a perfect scenario for a false flag
operation, and so I didn't get up there
until about 3.45, 4 o'clock and I was
headed back to my hotel that day and to go
really to take a nap, I charged my
batteries.
I was filming, documenting the day, most of

(17:16):
the time at the Ellipse, jeremy Brown being
the last person I talked to before my
camera died?

Lara (17:21):
Who was a former Green Beret?
Who was just finally released?

Luke (17:24):
Finally released.
So yeah, as I walked back to my hotel in
Pennsylvania, there were three you know
suspicious young guys with brand new Trump
hats you know, make America Great hats that
said there are people dying.
So it was the same line over and over again.
And it was and I've done.

(17:45):
You know I was a commercial director before
all this went down and it changed my life.
But I've done about 300 castings and I know
bad actors, I know I've dealt with them and
so as I was walking up there, it was like
and they were all walking towards, like out,
towards the crowd, and they you know, they
believe 50 to 60,000 were there at around

(18:05):
four o'clock when I was walking up there,
but there was one guy that was just over
the top.
We got to get in there, it was just so over
the top and he had this blood running down
his face.
Just, just, oh just, it looked completely
fake.
And as I got closer it was like that is
stinking stage blood, which I've worked

(18:26):
with.
Yeah, and when I wiped it and I said people,
they're trying to escalate this, I mean it
was so obvious, laura, I mean so-.

Lara (18:30):
You were actually saying that to people
around you.

Luke (18:32):
Yes, yes, and I said, you know, I was
thinking how great it would have been if
just all the true patriots we just got down
on our knees and like, prayed and then
showed, showed who all the fake ones were,
the provocateurs.
But it was just very obvious who was trying
to instigate and escalate and so, but
that's when they gassed the tunnel and
pushed everyone down, that's right.

(18:53):
When I was just got up there and there were
people that were screaming, women and men
that were underneath this pile of three to
four bodies, yeah, in fact Philip Anderson
was one of them, tommy.

Lara (19:06):
Tatum was one of them.
Old people that we know that.
I know well that I've interviewed and I've
known for years now.

Luke (19:14):
Yeah, and a lot of these men that were
around and saw the violence there were
locked up.
I'm in the 1% lower that based on my
charges that wasn't, you know, thrown in
prison for all this whole time.

Lara (19:25):
Yeah, but see the weird thing with you,
though, was you go to trial and the trial
ends.
How long did you wait?

Luke (19:32):
for sentencing Over 350 days before I got a
verdict.

Lara (19:36):
Because before you got a verdict, yes.
Yeah, you were never sentenced, yeah.

Luke (19:40):
No, I was never sentenced, but I got a
verdict right in December.

Lara (19:42):
That's the weirdest part.
Yeah, I was never sentenced, but I got the
verdict right in December.

Luke (19:48):
That's the weirdest part.
I mean almost a year, yeah.
And I will say and this is an echoing of
what other J6ers have said it was the judge
shows a bench trial, so you have a choice
to do bench or jury Jury or a bench trial.
Jury is 100% conviction rate.
So bench I had my judge was Rudolph
Contreras who was on the FISA court.
He let me know this, he didn't.
Let he let me know.

(20:09):
Peter Strzok is his neighbor, he's on the
FISA court and he was on the Flynn.

Lara (20:14):
Peter Strzok, formerly counterintelligence
for the FBI who was heavily involved in the
false persecution of President Trump and
General Michael Flynn over Russia.

Luke (20:24):
Russia collusion that wasn't he was also on
the Flynn case.
So he let me know that multiple times
before, even when we were about to begin
our trial.
But he didn't say that's not gonna prevent
me from giving you a fair trial.
He basically stated that, in fact, that
that could be a reason that I wouldn't get
a fair trial.

(20:44):
So his prejudice over the whole situation.
But this is what I was, echoing what many
other J6ers have said.
It was like he was reading the script from
the prosecution at sentencing.
He wouldn't even look me in the eye.
I did a five day trial with him.
I told my whole story, I told my life story
to him, looked him you know I'm long-winded
so I looked him right in the eye, made him

(21:05):
laugh a couple of times.
Think we had some camaraderie.
But the day he read my verdict it was like
he was handed over.
It was same language of the closing
argument from the prosecution, which you're
not supposed to use, and so it was just.
It was like here's the script, judge, and
that's what did.

Lara (21:24):
And he couldn't look at you.

Luke (21:25):
No, he couldn't look at me.
Wow, yeah, I was trying to make eye contact
with him.

Lara (21:30):
Yeah, and he wasn't having it.
But literally, luke, a five-day trial and
then you waited how many days for him to
deliver his verdict.

Luke (21:38):
I waited 350-plus days.
It was like 352 or something days, I mean.

Lara (21:43):
I still can't get over that.
I mean, we were in touch during that time
and it was like the judge hasn't even given
you a verdict, Right?
I mean, nobody I've ever talked to has
heard of that.

Luke (21:54):
No, I mean, most people waited at most 45,
maybe 60 days.

Lara (22:00):
Yeah.

Luke (22:00):
For a verdict that's crazy.

Lara (22:02):
And then he finds you guilty, but before
you are sentenced you get pardoned by the
president.

Luke (22:08):
I don't know if that was his way of.
It was like he waited till see if Trump got
in before finding me guilty.
So still keeping face, I don't know.
We really thought maybe he's going to go my
way, you know.
But I mean, how can I?
But then I wrote an open letter to Trump
and the gateway pundit published.

(22:29):
That basically was saying this is why it
should be a case for, why there should be
blanket pardons.
I was literally convicted of assaulting a
police officer that I never touched and the
only touching I got was her beating me.

Lara (22:42):
But between beating Roseanne Boylan yeah,
who died, who died, who died.
You know, and it's still just incredible to
me that I see conservatives and you know, I
see people all across the media, um, and
and and not just you know, uh, liberal
left-wing media still saying that Ashley
Babbitt is the only person who died on
January 6th, the only protester who was

(23:02):
killed, and it's like, does Roseanne Boylan
not even exist for these people?

Luke (23:07):
I just don't get it.
And you just think about.
We came out of the Summer of Love, where it
was justified because of George Floyd, st
George Floyd, that it was all you know,
that those riots were a justified political
reason.

Lara (23:19):
That's a different issue.

Luke (23:21):
Right, that's a different issue, luke,
sticking to the point here, no, my point is
if that you know, there was a woman that
was beaten to death by a police officer.

Lara (23:30):
Yeah, so you imagine if, during the George
Floyd riots, if a protest had been beaten
to death?

Luke (23:36):
by police.
Well, and I mean to bring race into it if
it was a black woman beaten by a white
officer, everyone would know her name, but
in this case it was a black woman beaten by
a white officer, everyone would know her
name.

Lara (23:43):
But in this case it was a black officer and
a white woman.
Yeah, Well, we all know about the double
standard and the hypocrisy today.
It's incredible, okay, but what we're
talking about is really the fact that
people who have been pardoned from January
6th or had their sentences commuted, you're
still not allowed to have your VA benefits,

(24:05):
and you know there's all kinds of things I
mean.
People's lives have been shattered.

Luke (24:10):
Completely shattered and you're still
tarnished with.
You know there's people that don't agree
with the partying, and so you know you're
tainted.

Lara (24:19):
I mean I've personally been attacked for
being associated with you.

Luke (24:23):
I'm very sorry.

Lara (24:24):
Well, I know you have and bringing me on as
I think you owe me an apology, liz Well.

Luke (24:28):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Lara (24:31):
That's not going to do it.
You don't have to-.
Do you want me to get on my knees Every
week.

Luke (24:35):
Okay, every week.
I'm sorry that you're associated with me
Every week you're going rogue with me, yeah.
Because we're rogue warriors.
Okay.

Lara (24:47):
So this is, I think that we can agree.
We're going to come back to this subject of
what's happening to January 6th defendants,
because this is actually a real issue that
the Department of Justice maintains your
conviction on its records and it somehow
considers itself exempt from presidential

(25:08):
power.
I know that there are very good attorneys
and criminal justice reform advocates who
are working on this particular issue
actually separate from January 6th, and a
topic that I definitely want to come back
to on this show is criminal justice reform,
because, speaking to a lot of January 6th
defendants, that has get away with with uh

(25:32):
crimes and that prisons should be holiday
camps, but at the same time, um, there is
so much that goes on inside the prison

(25:53):
systems that is just uh, unspeakable.

Luke (25:57):
My, my main guard when I was.
I was locked up for 50 days here in Texas
and I was the only J sixer in my whole
prison, um, and I was locked up with.
You know, it was a holding, federal holding
facility in.
Mahea, texas called Limestone County and,
uh, you know, it was what I saw.
Uh, my, I had.

(26:17):
I was thrown into a cell with seven other.
These guys had all been convicted of felony
crimes and they were just waiting to be
sentenced.
But because it was COVID, all the you know,
the courts were closed, everything was
backed up and they're so.
They were held for months and months
waiting just to be sentenced.
So I was thrown in with these these guys

(26:38):
and the guard was passing drugs to.
They were smoking K2, the guard was passing
drugs to.
They were smoking K2, which is synthetic
marijuana, it's more actually like PCP.
And one of the two fights I almost got into
was they were underneath.

(26:59):
Every night they would hot box which they'd
put sheets down on their bunk and go
underneath and smoke the K2 that the guard
had passed them.

Lara (27:05):
Doesn't K2 make you psycho?
Oh yeah, that's the psycho drug, right it
makes you.

Luke (27:09):
yeah, and yeah, it's very prevalent inside
the prisons.
You can actually make it from cards that
you get.
If it has the paint, you smoke that.
So they outlawed that when I was actually
in there, because people were doing that.
But this, this particularly guard, had,

(27:29):
like you know, what looked like meth mouth
and was just, you know, wow, working with
these, these guys, um, you know, and, and
they had, I heard they have calls that they
yell down, that gives different signals to
pass the drugs and all that I mean.
And so it was just yeah, and there were
other guys that got out with the guards and

(27:50):
would have, you know, relations with the
female guards.
Oh really yeah.

Lara (27:55):
So, I saw Seriously, you saw that.

Luke (27:57):
Yes, so it was incredible because I'd gone
in I shouldn't be shocked, should I?
No, you shouldn't be, but I'd gone in I
shouldn't be shocked, should I?
No, no, you shouldn't be, but I'd gone in.
My dad does prison ministry, so I've gone
in as a guest, you know, for the day, but
it's a little different when you're locked
up for 50 days.
And we couldn't go outside for but six
hours.
We were locked up in this one 15 by 30 cell

(28:18):
with eight other guys.
It was, but you just saw, I mean it was and
this prison was already condemned and but
they kept it open because of COVID.
Our water was brown, the food was, Did you
drink it?
I had to.
I mean I also vomited up.

Lara (28:35):
but Would you?

Luke (28:36):
Yeah, but I have a sensitive, you know, gag
reflex.
Oh, that is true, we have experienced this
ongoing rogue right, keith.

Lara (28:44):
Yes, yes, luke's sensitive gag reflex is
definitely going to be an issue.

Luke (28:47):
Yeah, a recurring issue.
Luky pukey pukes.

Lara (28:50):
Pukes.

Luke (28:51):
Luke, people call me pukes Wow.
Just sensitive Anyway, so yeah nasty.

Lara (28:55):
That is not sexy.

Luke (28:56):
That's not a well.
It's not sexy at all, but it's also Right.
It's also yeah, it's not very conducive for
a nasty prison.
You know where it's pretty dirty in prisons,
by the way, too.

Lara (29:11):
You drank the brown water and you would
throw it up, but what did it taste like?

Luke (29:17):
I mean kind of like mixed between yeah, it
was crappy.

Lara (29:23):
Oh no, it was poop water.
Yeah, kind of poop water.
You drank poop water.
Yeah, it was crappy.
Oh no, it was poop water.
Yeah, kind of poop water.

Luke (29:26):
You drank poop water.
Yeah, it was not good.

Lara (29:28):
I have a feeling you're going to be single
for a lot longer if you keep doing this
show.

Luke (29:35):
They're going to have to love me for who I
am.
I am who I am.
Should I put on a mask?

Lara (29:42):
No, anyway, an insurrectionist who's drunk
poop water.
Yeah, I know.
A failed insurrectionist.
Can I add that?

Luke (29:50):
Yeah, a failed.
But this is what.
I don't know if I've told you the story
before, but I was on TMZ the night I got
checked in and this was God's like hedge of
protection over me.
I was getting, as I was getting checked in,
with the warden.
You know the warden's going through, he's
like gang affiliation.
I said, sir, I've never been arrested in my
life you know, sexual preference.

(30:10):
I was like I like women and uh, but as I
was, you know, it was like this dukey brown,
uh, like your, your prison garb, and you
get crocs um this.
These guys, these two, two guys came up and
said Luke Coffey, luke Coffey, we just saw
you on TMZ, man.

Lara (30:30):
That's because of your acting career, right.

Luke (30:32):
Yeah, well, yeah, or failed acting career.
They called me fledgling actor and
independent producer and fledgling actor,
Luke Coffey was arrested, but so it spread
like wildfire in the prison.
So they either called me the
insurrectionist or Hollywood.
So it gave me that.

Lara (30:50):
Gave you a little bit of a glow Street cred.
It gave me some street cred where I didn't
have to join.

Luke (30:54):
I mean, I know some guys that had to join
the white knights or one of the to survive
in there, which is white supremacist kind
of gang.

Lara (31:04):
And that's not your thing.

Luke (31:05):
No, I said I'm not.
I you know, and these guys were like you
need to pick a tribe in here and I was like
no, I'm just going to roll with me and God
and that's what you said.
Yeah, I was friends with everybody.
I'm the same person I was.
I mean, god did take all the way my fear, I
mean, and I was going to go down down
fighting, you know, if anything.

Lara (31:22):
If anybody got too friendly in the night.

Luke (31:24):
Yes, yes, got too friendly.

Lara (31:25):
Nobody try to climb into your bunk.

Luke (31:27):
No.
No, I did have a bunk mate that had
horrible gas, so that's not so good for
somebody that has a sense of gag reflex.

Lara (31:34):
That can happen on the outside too, though,
in fairness, it can.

Luke (31:37):
Yeah, you can choose a mate that has that,
I guess.
But anyway, so yeah, I saw the inner
workings of a broken prison system for sure,
and just from what my father has
experienced being a prison minister, he's
seen a lot of just yeah it needs to be
reformed.

Lara (31:54):
So those guys who were like coffee you know
there's a lot of these were black guys.

Luke (31:58):
Yeah, I was and this is another funny thing
was one of the brothers we worked out
together.
These black guys and I were.
You know, I learned all this prison thing.
There's prison pizza, which is you
basically put all the stuff you buy.
So, commissary, is the saving grace.
It's all fake, horrible food.

Lara (32:18):
Yeah, that's what keeps you going right.

Luke (32:20):
Well, it's fake foods.
It's horrible foods, it's all like you know
Doritos, but they have jalapenos.
Well, it's fake foods, it's horrible foods,
it's all like you know, doritos, but they
have jalapenos and stuff you can make.
Bring some flavor to it.
The food had no flavor.
So we had, you know, prison pizza is where
you put everything together and then cook
it in the microwave and it's just this
nasty goodness.

(32:41):
And it was actually good, because the other
food doesn't have any taste.
So, but yeah, as I was working out with
these guys, this one it was the Dallas wing
of the prison.
It was about a prison of 2,500 men and
women, but this guy was like you know, it
was like there was a coffee I played
against in Dallas.

(33:03):
I think he went to Highland Park, he was a
running back.
And this guy I'd played against him Dallas.
I think he went to Highland Park, he was a
running back.
And this guy I'd played against him in high
school football.
Yeah, and he remembered me.
I was like bro, that was me.

Keith (33:13):
He was like no way we got a Highland Park
rich boy in here.

Luke (33:16):
I'm not a rich boy, but that's you know, so
that made its way, but Highland Park is a
wealthy area of Dallas.
That's a wealthy community, it's a wealthy
area of Dallas, so anyway, so it was just.
Yeah.
One day I walked for three hours back and
forth, like 15 by 30 cell, just to get some
exercise because we weren't allowed into
the yard because of COVID and stuff like

(33:37):
that.
It was dark but God definitely carried me,
but it was a very and I was writing the
whole time because I've been, I played a
prisoner and I've played an insurrectionist,
I played a domestic terrorist in multiple
shows.

Lara (33:51):
So how was it being a real prisoner and a
real domestic terrorist?
It's not.
It's not, it's more fun.
It wasn't as good as the movies, no, no,
it's more fun when you can take off the
outfit and leave at the end of the day so
would you have played those roles
differently?
Um, after this experience, well now, I mean
now that you have a better understanding-
absolutely.

Luke (34:07):
Yeah, now I could absolutely so it was and
I actually got I'd watched a lot of prison
shows, so that was kind of that's how I
referenced it that I was just gonna say
let's work in the uh, yeah, usa okay wait,
wait.

Lara (34:22):
I had one last thing I wanted to get from
you, luke is you know?
You told me something once that you know
there's all these, there's all these,
obviously, these different gangs and
everything, and it's a lot of it's divided
on racial lines inside a prison, but you
told me something interesting about how the
brothers in prison really reacted to you as

(34:44):
January 6th guys.

Luke (34:47):
Yeah, I mean, they embraced me and they
thought it was a joke.
You know, based on it's like we all
convicted felons, you picked up a crutch
and you know.
So they really did.
Well, obviously, you know, I became more
friends with, I had more of those guys in
my cell.

Lara (35:03):
What did they say about Trump?
What were their feelings on Trump?

Luke (35:07):
They liked Trump.
They thought he was gangster.
So most of them supported Trump and it was
interesting.
And then, of course, the white knights.
They said coffee, we got your back.
And I was like no, no, no, I'm good man,
I'm good, I didn't want to be associated
with it.
They all Nazi tattoos and everything.

(35:29):
Yeah, that's not your thing, Not my deal,
but I was called a white supremacist Of
course, that's why it's so interesting and
a racist and all of that and all those
things, none of which, is true.
It's ridiculous.

Lara (35:42):
So, luke, I want to talk to you about
something that I find very disturbing.
I gotta be honest, bonnie Blue.

Luke (35:53):
Real name, emma Billinger.

Lara (35:56):
Yes, okay.
So this woman I thought it was bad when the
other OnlyFans girl was, you know, talking
about how many Men she slept with In her
record.
I thought it was bad when the other
OnlyFans girl was, you know, talking about
how many men she slept with in her record.
But Bonnie Blue, sort of challenged, was
like a challenger right and was then— she

(36:18):
has the world record.
She has the world record.

Luke (36:21):
Most men in 24 hours, 1,057 men in one day.

Lara (36:27):
Okay, I find that it actually hurts.
Let's take a look at Bonnie Blue talking
about her record.

Video (36:37):
Came down, had a drink.
I think my longest break was three minutes
yesterday and I took four breaks in total.
How many Indian guys?
Quite a specific question that.

Luke (36:56):
We don't really track race, so unsure.

Video (36:59):
I don't, yeah, I don't know.
I had one guy from Turkey.
I remember that because he was asking me to
guess where I was from.

Lara (37:04):
I had one guy from Turkey.

Video (37:10):
I remember that because he was asking me to
guess where I was from.
This is a woman taking questions from
people.

Lara (37:14):
No, I'm just reading your comments.
About sleeping with.
Just remind me, just because I actually
can't get my head around it sleeping with
how many men?

Luke (37:24):
1,057 men in 24 hours.
She said I have had more cocks than John
Wayne's gun.
That's her quote.

Lara (37:33):
Okay, that is painful.
It is, that's painful.
I am just I, just.
So the reason this came up right now is
there's a new video out, which is there's a
new video out Bonnie Blue picking her

(37:54):
custom-made sports car.
Her first supercar, it's a Lamborghini.
So when this came across my X-Feed, I was
just so sad that not only does this woman

(38:19):
do this absolutely horrific thing to
herself and set, but now there's this whole
culture around it where this person is
being elevated for this.

Luke (38:30):
Celebrated.

Lara (38:31):
Celebrated, elevated and rewarded, rewarded,
and the rewards are prolific, right,
because I mean she's having, she's
receiving, a custom made lamborghini.
I mean, how much money does that cost?
That's just an incredible amount.
And then and this is, you know, this is

(38:52):
part of this whole it's almost like a cult
around her, um, and, and it's just feeding
the beast, feeding, feeding the beast,
feeding the beast.
Like I don't even know where this goes from
here.
But let's take a look at this clip.

Video (39:07):
You ready to see your one-of-one custom 458
Liberty Walk?
I am.
I'm ready, fully customized in blue wrap,
carbon carbon everywhere, wide body kit.

Lara (39:19):
yeah as she requested.
So I mean, look at this there.
P4.
P4, p, p4.
P4.

(39:39):
P4.
P4.
P4.
P4.

Video (39:42):
Blue seat belts, blue dashboard blue on the
steering wheel as well.

Lara (39:47):
So off.
I see all the blue playing on her horn.
Name Bonnie Blue.

Luke (39:52):
Bonnie Blue, yeah, okay so that's Ferrari,
right, keith?
Oh yeah, that's.
Oh yes, ferrari.

Lara (39:57):
You don't even know the difference between
a Lamborghini and a Ferrari.
What kind of co-host are you?
Okay, she's.
And then what's the other thing with her,
luke?
Oh yeah, with the spring breakers.

Luke (40:14):
Yeah, so she's made her.
You know she's an OnlyFans creator, right?
Which is this OnlyFans culture is out of
control.
But she's been infamous because she sleeps
with both married men, and then she goes on
these spring breaks.
She's in Cancun right now and she In Mexico.
She's, yes, in Mexico.

(40:35):
And the contest is she wants to find
someone young these are barely legal young
men, she's 25.
And she wants to sleep with, or she wants
to gift, help, pay for college tuition to
the male the young male barely 18-year-old

(40:56):
that gives her her best, oh, orgasm.
So it's a contest, for she's going to I
think she slept with, she went to Fiji and
the Bahamas before and just sleeps with
these young boys.
She wants to teach them how to have sex.

Lara (41:12):
What is wrong with what is I mean?
I don don't understand what is wrong with
us as a society where this is a thing I
mean, let's go back to like, remember we.

Luke (41:25):
We grew up in the 70s, 80s, 80s yeah, I'm
53 yeah how old are you?
I'm 46, almost damn it, I'm a little
younger, but I mean, think about just in
general, we're living in this highly
sexualized culture.
I mean, I remember, keith, what were some
of the 80s movies we watched that had, like

(41:47):
you know, that were a little provocative
Porky's, porky's and stuff like that.
If you look at that on the scale we are,
now, oh my gosh Dirty Dancing.
Dirty Dancing yeah.

Lara (41:55):
Okay, that was positively racy.

Luke (41:57):
Well, right, and I remember this is like
the first time I saw a female breast was an
airplane.
Remember the old slapstick there was one
and we would freeze, frame it when this
girl would just, it was everybody's
freaking out on the plane and she would run
right across frame and shake her breasts
and we'd freeze it as like seventh graders,

(42:18):
like oh, there's boobs.
But now we're living in a time where it's
just, everything is so sexualized.
If you want to be, have your own you know
porn account, you have OnlyFans.
I mean, it's just yeah.
What does that say about a culture that has
fallen that far?

Lara (42:35):
I mean I know I'm, I mean I'm not.
That has fallen that far.
I mean I know I'm, I mean I'm not, I just
I'm speechless.
I literally am speechless, I cannot.

Luke (42:43):
You have, children, you have.

Lara (42:45):
Yeah, I have two daughters and a son, all
teenagers.
I just I can't believe this.
I mean, there's so many aspects to this
right.
I mean, first of all, onlyfans.
How many times have you heard somebody say
oh well, I can just show my feet on
OnlyFans have an.
OnlyFans account for people with a foot

(43:05):
fetish and I can make all kinds of money,
and what's wrong with that?
I mean, is it better for somebody to be
stealing or selling themselves on the
street, having to be a prostitute, or is it
when I can just show photographs of my feet

(43:25):
and people with a foot fetish can send me
money?
So that's the argument that's made, right,
right, but OnlyFans is like a.
I mean, this is literally a doorway to
exploitation.

Luke (43:40):
It is, and you know in general because of
all the research you've done about
trafficking, that pornography is rooted in
trafficking and supporting the industry.

Lara (43:50):
It's even worse than that.
It's even worse than that with child
trafficking.
What I've learned is that pornography is
used as training.
This, literally, is how they train kids in
what's expected of them sexually, so that
they know.
Yes, I mean kids and young girls, young

(44:11):
boys.
Children are literally raised on this
pornography.
Number one it normalizes what they see,
right, and there's many different forms of
pornography, right, it's not just you know
sort of you know what you see in a racy
movie, right?

(44:32):
Right.
It's not some sort of beautiful romantic
sensual scene between two human beings.
There's all forms of pornography.
Yeah.
I mean all kinds of stuff, stuff with
animals, stuff with violence, stuff with

(44:56):
sadistic forms of violence, you know, and
torture, and so I mean kids are literally
trained on this.
It's kind of like a gateway drug, right.
It's like a doorway to a much, much darker
world.

Luke (45:11):
Well, let's talk about the progression,
because it really, if you think about
advertisement and just how magazines became
more and more sexualized I mean, back in
the day it was like you had to go buy a
magazine, oh you mean those kind of
magazines.

Lara (45:28):
Yeah, no, like Playboy.

Luke (45:30):
Well, no, I'm just saying in general.
You've seen just magazines in general have
been more sexualized and then you've always
had you had to go purchase a magazine.

Lara (45:41):
But then the internet was created well, I
grew up in South Africa yeah it was illegal
it was illegal to have any kind of
pornography.
Oh, yeah, those were banned.

Luke (45:50):
Playboy and and hustler, right, those were
banned yeah, it's all bad, but hustler is
another level.

Lara (45:57):
Is it?

Luke (45:58):
Yeah, I think so Because I think there's
acts, sexual acts, in Hustler.

Lara (46:04):
Well, I've never seen a Hustler magazine.
However, the point that you're making is
that it's gone from that to where you
really can access pornography anytime you
want to.
You have a computer in your, in your phone
and now, of course, remember, you're not
allowed to talk about, about um,
prostitutes.
It's got to be sex workers, sex workers

(46:26):
right and and you saw how.
You know how do they refer to her as an
adult, adult content creator?
Yeah, exactly.

Luke (46:33):
I mean, this is she.
Yeah, also made was made famous because she
sleeps with married men, you know.
And there was also.
There was a documentary I watched recently
and that's celebrated.
That's celebrated.
There was a documentary about what was
Keith the?
It was an online where you could sign up to

(46:54):
have affairs.

Lara (46:55):
you know, ashley Madison, oh yes, yeah,
when that list was published there were a
lot of marriages that came apart.

Luke (47:02):
Yeah, but it was almost like it's
celebrated to go.
There were billboards you want looking to
have an affair?
Join Ashley Madison.
So it's just.
I mean, to me this has spiritual roots, you
know it really does that.
You know sex has become.
When you just give yourself away like that,
you're showing your body.
I mean, god created sex.

(47:23):
He did, he created.
It's a beautiful thing.
But when it becomes there, you're giving it
away to everybody or you're making money
from it.
I mean it just that's where you're.
That's exactly what to me.
You know you're falling from what?
Who the person God wanted you to be created
to be.
That your body's exactly what to me.
You're falling from who the person God
wanted you to be, created you to be.
Your body's a temple.
Your body's a temple.

Lara (47:43):
I just think that there's.
I mean that it's dishonest, right, because
I'm always looking for honesty and
integrity in things, and what I tell my
kids is that you're being sold a lie.
They're telling you that you can just, that
there's no price to this, that there's no
cost.
There's no cost physically to you, but also

(48:07):
spiritually and emotionally to your soul,
and they're also teaching you that there is
nothing spiritual or there's no connection
between an intimacy between two human
beings, as if it's, you know, as if you're
just a piece of meat.
Right.
Right, this girl, I mean I cannot get my
head around a thousand men in less than 24

(48:30):
hours.
She said in that clip the longest break I
took was three minutes and I think I took
four breaks.
In 24 hours In 24 hours.

Luke (48:38):
She's also-.

Lara (48:40):
That is not human.

Luke (48:41):
That's not human at all, and she's been
vocal about setting a positive example for
female empowerment.

Lara (48:47):
No, that's not empowerment, that's a lie.
That's a lie and she's selling the lie,
she's bought the lie and she's selling it
to other women and other girls and then
it's presented as if oh, you know, my life
was boring and it was difficult, I was
working an office job and you know, and now
my life is so much better because, look,
I'm getting custom-made Ferraris Right.

(49:09):
I mean, that's just staggering to me.
That's an example that you're setting to
young people.
That that's what you should aspire to be.
But how different is that, luke, from you
know, when you look at at cardi b, and then
you look at uh and doja cat and all these
people in the music industry, and they're

(49:30):
doing these hyper sexualized videos and
songs.
I mean, I just tell my kids where's the
mystery.

Luke (49:36):
Exactly.

Lara (49:37):
What if you?
Where's the, where's the magic?

Keith (49:40):
Yeah, keith, what do you think?
I think that, um, it's so on so many levels.
This is, this is a problem, and it's sort
of this convergence of technology and the
internet and how easy it is to see.
This is what Luke was saying earlier it's
how easy it is to view porn for young boys

(50:02):
who are discovering their own sexuality and
that this culture of spending so much time
on these devices it's damaging.
It's damaging these young boys mostly young
boys, but young girls too to have access to
that, and what happens is you get addicted
to that dopamine hit and you keep coming

(50:23):
back and that, like what you're saying, it
almost has to get more extreme and more
extreme to reach the same, to hit those
same dopamine spots, just like a drug right.

Lara (50:34):
It's a total addiction, like the first
dopamine rush is.
You know, you're always trying to replicate
that, yeah, and trying to get back to that.

Keith (50:40):
And meanwhile these kids are losing touch
with what it is to actually speak to a real
girl in real life and what a real girl is,
and they're just becoming these
dysfunctional these dysfunctional.

Lara (51:01):
And I would argue, if you have a girl
celebrating the fact that she literally lay
there and I, I you know, one man after
another, after another, after another, um,
that it's not just the boys, I mean you.
You have obliterated.
You just obliterated any sense of morality,
any sense of self-worth.

(51:21):
My mother told me.
She told us when we were kids look, if you
want to come cheap, there ain't a boy in
this town who won't take you and you will
always be that girl, even at your funeral.
You'll be that girl.
You'll be the town bicycle for the rest of
your life.
You can go on to win the Nobel Prize and at
your funeral you'll still be that girl.
And I didn't want to be that girl.

(51:43):
You know what I mean.
And she said you put a price on yourself.
You decide what you're worth and other
people will treat you accordingly.
What happened to this person?
What happened to us as a society, that
we're teaching our young people that you're

(52:04):
not worth anything?

Keith (52:05):
It's a godlessness.

Luke (52:07):
It is, it is and the reality of it.
If you look at Hollywood and where culture
is sprung from, is music, movies, media and
the power that has.
And you have one life.
You have live it up, seize the day, like

(52:29):
this Carpe Diem thing, and you don't
realize that, like the other girl spoke
about that, she had traumatic issues.

Lara (52:38):
You're literally opening you're opening
yourself the one before the one before,
Didn't she have?

Luke (52:43):
she spoke about having.

Lara (52:48):
She had 100 men in 14 hours 100 men in 14
hours.

Luke (52:51):
Okay, compared to 1,057.

Lara (52:53):
In 24 hours.
Yeah, it's disgusting Well they have this
incentive.

Keith (52:58):
I mean, look what she's getting now.
She's getting cars, she's famous.
Yeah, and so people have this perverse
incentive for these types of behaviors that
are going to get them clicks.
That are going to get them deals that are
going to make them money and make them
famous, and so we have this perverse.
She has the incentive there and she's
obviously this perverse.

(53:19):
She has the incentive there that you know
and she's obviously she's, in a sense,
selling her soul for it.

Luke (53:23):
And it's the self-love I mean, it's just
like you know, do as thou wilt is what the
satanic Bible says Live as you please.
There's nothing you can't taste, Do, snort.
You know that that's the way you live, Like
that's a fulfilling life, Thinking that
there's nothing greater beyond this life.
But if you look at you know there are soul

(53:45):
ties.
I mean, if you get on a spiritual level,
there's every person you sleep with.
That is a spiritual connection, Like,
whether you knew it or not, and bad things
can come from that, you know.
And doors are open, Just like when you do a
drug.
These are opening spiritual doors
Absolutely For oppression from, let's talk
about it.

(54:05):
But we're living in a society too that it's
idol worship.
We're literally like it's Hedonism, yeah,
hedonism, and we have everybody's looking
to their idols and celebrated themselves.
I want to be famous, I want to be famous, I
want to be.
So it's just, and it's the dopamine from
the clicks and being celebrated and wanting
that fame and fortune, you know, and that

(54:28):
all ends, you know, in a dark path.
I mean, you've seen how many Hollywood
child stars and just just people that have
had had all that and are still not
fulfilled, you know, on a deeper level and
this woman I can.
I can tell you that she's not.
There's no way she could be happy.

Keith (54:48):
She might be happy for a minute there a
minute, but you were saying about how you
know every, every person you sleep with
your your.
There's a soul.
There's also a scientific thing where,
actually, for a woman, every man you sleep
with your DNA is their DNA stays with you.

Luke (55:07):
I've read that.

Keith (55:08):
Seriously yes.

Lara (55:10):
I'm going to have to think about that one.

Keith (55:11):
That's a scary thought.

Lara (55:14):
Well, I just wow.
I mean, obviously, for me it's a little bit
stunning.
Having been a victim of gang rape, I just I
can't help when I think of this.
I can't help think of that.
I can't help think of this, I can't help

(55:37):
think of that, and it's like the
obliteration of someone's mind, body and
soul.
I see this person, who's obviously very
beautiful, casually talking about these
things as if it's nothing, and I'm reminded

(55:57):
of what my mother always said about there's
a price for everything in life.
Honey's very upset by this.
Honey, what do you think?
Yeah, she said no, that's terrible.
I know it's terrible, sweetheart, I'm also
having a hard time with it.

Luke (56:14):
I know, honey, it's pretty rough.

Lara (56:25):
It's rough honey.
It's pretty rough, it's rough honey.
But you know, on a serious note, I just I
you know, with the other woman, lily
Phillips.
I kind of felt for her because she was sort
of emotional in the documentary that was
made about her and you sort of you had a
sense of the cost to her and you had a
sense of the cost to her.
But this woman, bonnie Blue, she doesn't
seem fazed at all, she doesn't seem to care,
she's enjoying the fame, she's enjoying her

(56:53):
lifestyle.
And I actually want to yell at her and I'm
so angry as a mother.
I really am.
I'm so angry as a mother that you would
hold this person up as if they are
something to aspire to, and I'm reminded of
all the people around her.
There's the people filming, there's the

(57:14):
marketing people there's the business
people.
There's the social media people.
There's an entire industry now around her
that's elevating her.
How much money have they made out of
OnlyFans?
I mean, who are the people?
Not to mention the technical side of it.
There's the server companies, there's the

(57:37):
technological infrastructure that supports
this and I look at all of that and you
think about all the people that are making
money out of this and it makes you sick to
your stomach.
It absolutely makes you sick to your
stomach and for me, it raises a very
serious question about technological

(58:01):
infrastructure and what we are supporting.
Because from OnlyFans, how many people on
OnlyFans are being exploited and trafficked?
How many of them are underage?
How many kids I mean?
We know that kids have sued.
There's been lawsuits to have.
People have been put on OnlyFans without
even their permission.

(58:22):
You don't even own your own image online.
What are you pulling up there, Keith?

Luke (58:27):
It says OnlyFans says that they've reached
$6.63 billion, almost $7 billion.

Keith (58:35):
And this was just through November 2023.
Okay, so it's not.
That's just the latest that they've the
latest they have so it's grown
exponentially since then.

Lara (58:44):
It's billions and billions.

Luke (58:45):
They get 20 only only fans gets 20, while
the creators receive 80 of um.
So I mean that's yeah, I think all these
that's a poison chalice.

Lara (58:56):
It is.

Luke (58:57):
And there's, I guess there's girls that
don't.
There's different levels of OnlyFans that
don't show, like you know.
Some just are in bathing suits and being
sexy, and then they have some, you know all
the way down to which you could call
grooming.
Yeah, exactly, or you know training,
Training yeah, preparation.
And I I wonder, do they have a?
Surely they have an age limit they don't
allow.
Can girls underage be in bikinis and stuff

(59:19):
on OnlyFans?
That's what I'm wondering.
I guess not, but yeah, I don't know.

Lara (59:24):
But what I do know is this how would they
even know?

Luke (59:28):
Exactly?
How are they proving?
How would you, how do?

Lara (59:31):
you verify that?
Yeah, and they'll tell you that they do
their best right to verify it.
Yeah, but in this I mean there is a bigger
problem here 18.
With technology that technology is a.
It just connects Right Every bad person on
the planet, anyone who's ever had a bad

(59:52):
thought, you know, or who wants to indulge
in really dark pastimes.
They have the access to it now and they
also have validation, because now every
dark, perverted soul on earth has a
community of dark perverted souls and their
little niche, weird fetish.

Luke (01:00:14):
they can find it because now you can
connect to it.

Lara (01:00:18):
Yeah, and not only that, but now you can
connect to it.
Yeah, and not only that, but now you can
make a lot of money out of it Right,
exactly, and that's what the dark web is
about, and there's an entire genre of
pornography, now called hurtcore, which is
sadistic pornography.
If I were to start explaining to you what
some of these things are, I mean people
will turn off this show.

(01:00:41):
There's literally things like a blood show
where they will cut certain veins in a
child or a baby because they want, when
they rape that person, that individual, to
have the biggest blood show, because
there's people who get off on seeing lots
of blood and so they figured out how to do
this and you can pay to do this.
There's live rapes of I mean men, women,

(01:01:03):
children, babies, where people can
participate in the torture live from all
over the world.
I want to know who are these companies that
are assisting in the transmission of that
data.
Who are the people who own these servers
that are storing this kind of content,

(01:01:27):
right?
I mean we know that, for example, ericsson
owns the National Child, runs the National
Child Exportation Hotlines in over 150
countries, and all the child pornography
that is reported to those hotlines is
stored on the servers that they run.
So how much does Ericsson know about who's
involved in child pornography just by

(01:01:51):
hosting those servers?
What happens to all that child porn?
You run AI, facial recognition software,
voice recognition software?
How many famous people have they found,
exactly, have been involved in that right?
Right, I mean, imagine the power that that
gives you Exactly.
Is that why Erickson can get away with

(01:02:13):
providing geolocation data to jihadis to
kill American soldiers and be called out,
you know, and settle in US courts with the
families of soldiers who've been killed,
pay out millions of dollars and still keep
all the government contracts that they have?
You know, we really have the marriage
between, you know, culture, wars and the

(01:02:36):
hypersexuality of our culture, coinciding
with a godlessness that has really taken
root in in a lot of uh, especially western
culture, and uh and technology, though the
marriage of those three things has created
a very dark age that our children are
growing up in well, and you know that some

(01:02:58):
of this is rooted in Satanism.

Luke (01:03:01):
I mean that they believe that they're
getting by having relations with a young
child that they're getting a power, they're
opening up.
I mean there's spiritual reasons as well
that people are doing this.

Lara (01:03:15):
Yeah, well, look at all the blood
replacement therapy that's going on.
Exactly, and all the people across normal
publications, NBC, USA Today, I mean you
can find it online.
People will tell you the secret to staying
young is young blood.
Okay, what's the extension of that?
Well, you've got Elon Musk's former partner
at PayPal right, who vacates his blood

(01:03:36):
every month and he takes a transfusion from
his son, His son yeah.
And he gives his blood to his father, right,
right.
And then they've got videos.
You can play some of those clips.
They've got videos all over YouTube and all
over online about replacing their blood and
about this quest for eternal youth, and

(01:03:56):
there's a lot of media out there about
reversing aging.
Even Elon Musk has gone on and said that
aging and death will be a thing of the past,
right In the not too distant future.
So you have all of that.
So, basically, this gives rise, when you
have a legitimate, as far as we know,

(01:04:18):
industry of blood replacement therapy Right.
Where does that give rise to?
Of course, illegitimate industries around
it, right, the black market.
YouTube is not going to like this episode.
Well, that's not surprising, no Right.

(01:04:39):
But what does that give rise to?
Exactly and and who asks, okay, when you're
doing I mean it's.
It's all over the media that young blood is
the secret to reversing aging and all the
rest of it.
So that's generally reported, so, um, but
nobody asks where does the blood come from?

Luke (01:04:56):
yeah, right have you ever?
Have you ever thought about all the vampire
movies?
There's maybe some truth behind all that,
truth hidden in fiction.

Lara (01:05:09):
Actually Luke.

Luke (01:05:10):
Yes.

Lara (01:05:11):
I'm glad you mentioned that.
Okay, good, because what is?
cannibalism.
If you look back throughout history, in
societies where there has been cannibalism,
what would they do, what would they believe
in after the battle?
If you drank the blood of your enemy or ate
the heart or ate the body of your enemy, it

(01:05:32):
would give you extraordinary power If you
made human sacrifices.
If you look at ancient societies, they talk
about human sacrifices.
What is that?
It's exactly the same thing.
You're drinking the blood to take that
power that comes from that, from that

(01:05:53):
practice, yeah, of that practice, yep.
And so if you actually start to trace these
things, they're as old as civilizations,
nothing's new under the sun, as it says in
scripture.

Luke (01:06:05):
Nothing's new, it's been going on, it's
just repackaged.
You know, repackaged and sold a different
way.
I mean, and now what the difference is, as
Keith discussed, is we now are aware of so
much more because we're living in this
technological age where stuff is being
exposed because you can go find it if

(01:06:27):
you're looking hard enough or if you want
to, and people are blowing the whistle
about it.
We're having SRA, sexual ritual abuse.
You know victims are coming out and
speaking about these things.
Yes, I know a number of them, you do.

Lara (01:06:41):
In fact, we're going to have some of them
on this podcast.

Luke (01:06:43):
Yeah, so it's.
That's what's I mean.
I think we're seeing the depravity of man
at a level you know.
That's always been going on, but we
understand and people that don't that you
know, don't want to know about it, are
putting their head in the sand.
It's cognitive dissonance because there's
so many people that will just turn it off,
they don't want to hear.

(01:07:04):
What's your response to that?
Like that?
I'd rather not know.
I guess when I woke up, like 10 years ago,
to some of the evil, depravity of our true
world we're living in, it made me sick for
months.
It really did it totally changed.
It was like my shook, my worldview, and

(01:07:25):
that's why I think a lot of people get so
angry.
I had, when I was trying to expose some
Pizzagate stuff years back, I had a friend
who was a Christian.
He would attack me.
I'm just like, bro, if you don't believe it,
that's fine, you know, because it made it
rocked his worldview, that cognitive

(01:07:45):
dissonance.
Not wanting it, he couldn't, he couldn't
comprehend that that was going on, you know.
So what is your yeah, what is your response,
knowing what Laura Logan knows and the
depravity of man, like just what we should
know and shouldn't know?
I mean, what's your opinion on that?

Lara (01:08:01):
I mean I'm somebody who, for all of my life,
I've never been afraid to confront the
truth.
Yeah, you know, I mean I've been like, I'm
like a, I've got like a homing beacon in me.
Yeah.
And I'll just keep going, just keep going.
And what's kind of funny is people ask me
over the years because I've spent so many
years on the battlefield and I've been in
many extreme and violent situations and

(01:08:23):
seen a lot of things that people, the
average person, doesn't live through or
deal with.
And so people ask me all the time are you
traumatized by that?
And honestly I have to tell them I'm not.
It's not that I'm not affected, but I've
always just confronted these things and

(01:08:45):
dealt with them and I've had a very
grounded sense of right and wrong and who I
am and what I believe in.
And I've just was born with an unshakable
belief in the goodness of who we are when
we're at our best.

(01:09:05):
You know, I really do believe that good is
more powerful than evil.
So it's that that's kind of, and everywhere
that I've seen really dark things and
terrible things.
I've seen true greatness as well, and so I
understand that for some people these
things are hard to confront.
I think we're just sort of rapidly going

(01:09:27):
past the point where you can worry about
that, because children are literally being
raised in a world where they have no
privacy.
Technology is completely taking over their
existence.
Um about that because our children are
literally being raised in a world where
they have no privacy.
Technology is completely taking over their
existence.
And you're celebrating uh people who sleep
with a thousand men in less than 24 hours.
I don't even understand what that I mean.

(01:09:48):
I don't even understand that.
And, by the way, you're supposed to, you
know, ridicule uh people who believe in god.
Right, you know?
And and we're all supposed to believe that
everything just created itself and that, by
the way, is a completely sane position to
hold, and anyone who believes in anything
else is insane.

(01:10:08):
And so I feel like there's too much at
stake.
There's too much at stake.
I feel like each one of us is responsible
for ourselves.
It's incumbent upon you to figure out
what's real and what's not real.
It's not up to me to dictate to you how to
live.
It's not up to me to tell you what to think.

(01:10:31):
You've got to make your own decisions.
I was gifted with a purpose from the day I
was born.
I've always known all my life what my role
was.
I was meant to figure out what the truth is,
the best that I can, and to tell as many
people as I could.
That was it.
So, whether it was uncovering the

(01:10:52):
injustices of terrible racial inequality
under apartheid in South Africa when I was
growing up, exposing that, or whatever it
comes to today, the reality of the
industrial-scale rape and murder and
torture of children, which passes under the

(01:11:14):
safety label child trafficking, I mean,
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And speaking of difficult subjects, by the
way, difficult things to look at Syria.

Luke (01:13:11):
Syria.

Lara (01:13:12):
What's happening in Syria at the moment?
It's wild.
Is a whole nother thing.
I think there's been some clips circulating
on social media of what's been happening,
of attacks on Alawites, which is a minority
in Syria, and on attacks on Christians
under the new government in Syria post

(01:13:37):
Bashar al-Assad, who ruled for all those
years.
Let's take a look at some of what's been
going on in the last few days and weeks in
Syria.
This is a clip.

Video (01:13:50):
Come on, come on, come back, come back.
That's it.
That's it.
I don't want to be a soldier.
Yeah, come here, I'm going to take you.

Lara (01:14:03):
Where are you man?
And I'm thinking the one right after this.
If you look at the one right after this,
there is a man that they just throw around
and then execute him.
Where did it go?
Oh, that's another one.

(01:14:37):
Yeah, so this is what's been happening in
Syria over the last few weeks.
So this is like.
Syria is like a big sort of untold story.
Yeah.
Really where it's happening in the
background, but people are not really
paying a whole lot of attention to it.

Luke (01:14:53):
And what's your opinion?
Why is the Western media not like?
Why aren't they caring about what's going
on in Syria, and I mean Christian
persecution is going on in North Korea,
somalia, libya, yemen, pakistan, sudan,
iran.

Lara (01:15:09):
What's happening in Syria is partly about
the Christians, but it's not just about the
Christians.
Yeah.
So I mean, what did you have?
You had Bashar al-Assad ruling, who was a
member of the Alawite minority, who was
ruling over Syria for decades, right, who
was a sort of a mini, a junior partner for

(01:15:31):
the United States.
I mean, egypt was one of our main partners
in fighting Islamic extremism.
United States, I mean, egypt, was one of
our main partners in fighting Islamic
extremism.
And Bashar al-Assad was, you know, someone
else who the US would call on to help us
with a lot of our dirty work.
Quite frankly, right.
And so now was Assad the embodiment of, you

(01:15:51):
know, democracy, freedom, democracy,
freedom, human rights?
And no, he wasn't so.
And there was a terrible incident with a
number of children that were murdered in
Homs in Syria, which really kicked off the
war, sort of an uprising against Bashar
al-Assad in Syria.

(01:16:12):
And the US, of course, was this, through,
the CIA was backing Syrian democratic
forces.
But what quickly developed in Syria and the
US, of course, was this through, the CIA
was backing Syrian democratic forces.
But what quickly developed in Syria was
this narrative that came out of Damascus,
the capital pushed by the Assad's
government, that he was fighting terrorism
and Islamic jihad.
And of course, that was only partly true.

(01:16:34):
I mean, really what he had was a civilian
uprising that was very quickly infiltrated
and taken over by Islamic terrorist groups,
including Al-Qaeda and other spinoffs of
Al-Qaeda and ISIS and various Islamic
groups, and so you had this mixture of

(01:16:57):
people in Syria fighting Assad's regime,
where some of them are backed by the West
and some of them were hardcore Islamists
tied to Ayman al-Zawahiri and al-Qaeda
itself.
And al-Jalani, who is the leader of Syria
today, was an al-Qaeda foot soldier when he

(01:17:18):
was a young man, and in fact so he was
raised in Saudi Arabia, but his family came
from the Golan Heights, which is the
disputed territory between Syria and Israel,
so he went off to Iraq to fight for
Al-Qaeda as a young man.

(01:17:38):
In fact, later he was imprisoned by the US
in Iraq, spent a number of years I think
from 2006 to 2011, in US custody.
But he's a very interesting man because,
you know, at one point the Islamic groups
within the opposition in Syria were
fighting each other for supremacy, so he

(01:18:01):
sort of has had varying relationships with
ISIS in Iraq and with the al-Qaeda command.
More recently, there's been reports that he
separated himself to a degree.
He formed al-Nusra Front al-Jilani did, and
what he did was basically he did something

(01:18:23):
very clever he conquered Idlib province in
Syria and that became really his stronghold.
He brought opposition groups together and
he really established HTS was his
organization, this sort of coalition of
groups, and that allowed him really to
challenge Assad's regime, sort of at the

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end of last year, and defeat Assad, I mean,
which resulted in Assad fleeing the country
and, you know, one of the sort of the
oldest dynasties in Syria crumbling right
in the Middle East, crumbling.
And then Jalani, you know, took over and as

(01:19:07):
the sort of the acting he was appointed.
He didn't run for an election, obviously,
but he was put in there and what he's done
since then has been very interesting
because he's brought various factions of
these opposition groups in syria into the
syrian military right and so, uh, and then
he starts to reach out.

(01:19:28):
He's, you know, he's establishing
diplomatic relations with the russians and
with the chinese and with the european
union.
You know, don't think you can put it all on
Russia and China.
The Europeans are right in there
establishing relations with this, really
this former Al-Qaeda fighter who's been an
Islamic extremist all of his life, and

(01:19:51):
they're beating a path to his door.
And they're beating a path to his door.
But what's really interesting about him is
that he brought in initially you know as an
Islamic extremist the Syrian Democratic
Forces, the SDF, who were backed by the
West.
These are people that he would not
associate with right Anyone who was taking

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money from the CIA or from America and all
the rest of it.
He didn't want to have anything to do with
them because that would be counter to the
ideology that the West is the big evil.
But he has since brought them into the fold
and you could argue that these are the

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realities of ruling.
You could argue that these are the sort of
the realities of ruling right.
Is that now, as a ruler and as a leader,
you don't have the luxury of as a
revolutionary or a resistance fighter or an
Islamic terrorist.
You now have the practical realities of
you're in government and you have to rule
and you're going to make compromises and

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you're going to build relationships in
order to function and survive.

Luke (01:20:58):
Power corrupts Absolute power corrupts
Absolutely right.

Lara (01:21:01):
You know you could take the argument that
it's pragmatic.
Right.
Or you could say it's corruption.
I mean, if you're an ideological follower
of the Islamic ideology that has fueled him
all his life, you would say that he's
betraying that ideology.
Or you could be a pragmatist and say he's
doing what is necessary.

(01:21:22):
Right.
Because he's really now.
If you look at it, the Islamic caliphate is
growing and growing and growing.
Right.
Right, because on 9-11, Al-Qaeda didn't
have any states Right Anywhere in the world.
Now you have an Islamic state in
Afghanistan.
You have an Islamic state now in Syria.

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I mean, the caliphate is growing.

Luke (01:21:47):
And did our CIA take part in training and
establishing that in Syria at all?
I mean Al-Qaeda.

Lara (01:21:55):
Not al-Jilani Not al-Jilani.
I mean because he was actually imprisoned
by the US.

Luke (01:22:01):
Right.

Lara (01:22:03):
But prior to that, you know, the heart and
soul of Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan, right,
right.
And so was the CIA involved there.
And has the CIA been backing other
opposition groups in the Syrian opposition?
Yes.
Right, but I think what I've learned over

(01:22:23):
the years is that these simple lines that
we like to draw between these are the good
guys and these are the bad guys.
I mean it's pretty blurry.
Yes, I mean look at USAID.
I know I mean pretty blurry.
Yes, I mean look at USAID.
Usaid has been taking American taxpayer
dollars and funding Islamic extremist

(01:22:44):
groups or funding organizations that they
knowas, which is still officially a
terrorist organization.
How many laws does that break?
Let alone.
I mean, besides the moral component to it,
right, and I don't mean like I'm not giving

(01:23:05):
al-Jalani in Syria a pass, I'm not taking a
political position or a moral position on
what he's been doing.
It's just very interesting when you look at
this man's trajectory from being a foot
soldier for al-Qaeda, who was radicalized
according to some things he said in the
past, but his path was really born out of

(01:23:27):
the Palestinian uprising, which is not
uncommon.
I've interviewed many jihadis who were
inspired by what happened to the
Palestinians.
It's a rallying cry.
It's something that Osama bin Laden knew
very well.
It's the one thing that unifies Sunni and
Shia, that unifies the Arab street is the

(01:23:48):
Palestinian cry, right.
And so it's very interesting that right now,
when you have all this movement for
Palestine happening all over the world, but
who are loyal to Assad, who are supposedly
fighting the regime in Syria, which is now

(01:24:20):
the opposition, right?
So the government forces in Syria are now
the people who were the opposition, which
is an amalgamation of the Syrian democratic
forces that were funded by the West and the
plethora of Islamic groups that were
aligned under.
Hts was the organization that Jalani ran,

(01:24:40):
and so you have all of these different
groups.
But when you dig down, so across social
media, you see a lot of people will say
well, al-jalani pretends to be a moderate,
he pretends to be that.
He's sort of now is a world leader and he's
stepping back somewhat from his jihadi

(01:25:01):
extremist roots, and yet he's.
If you look across what's happening to
Christians and Alawites across Syria, you
see these horrific videos right.
There's people in Latakia, for example,
where there's just bodies as far as the eye
can see whole villages, latakia, for
example, where there's just bodies.

Luke (01:25:16):
As far as the eye can see, whole villages,
whole villages, and there's crucifixions.

Lara (01:25:19):
Well, have you seen the crucifixions?

Luke (01:25:21):
Well, they're being shot too, I believe
right.

Lara (01:25:23):
I know.
But the only reason I say that is when this
was happening in the north of Iraq and I
investigated this for 60 minutes.
You had to see it to believe it right
Because one of the things that's happening
is we're covering these things from a
distance now.
We're not on the ground anymore because-.

Luke (01:25:42):
And they could be old videos or whatever,
too right?
Well, and I'm not saying that it's not
happening.

Lara (01:25:47):
I'm just saying I always try to be cautious.
So when I dug into some of the violence, I
mean there's no question that there have
been hundreds and hundreds and probably
thousands of civilians who have been killed
in the violence.
There's no question about it.
You can't deny what you're seeing.
And to me, it's disgusting that you see

(01:26:08):
this reporting from New York Times and
other places where they say that there's
been reports of civilian killings and
things and it's like it's not reported.
There's entire videos.
There's such a game that's being played on
so many different levels here.
I called Joe Biden out on this to his face

(01:26:29):
in 2017, in early 2017, when I was at
a—I'll just keep the details.
I'll keep the details slight, but I was at
a dinner with him.
He was opposite me, across the table, and
he and Jeb Bush were taking turns bashing
Trump.
They were going on and on and on.
It was like a ping pong match taking turns,

(01:26:51):
and I wasn't even a Trump fan or anything,
but I just was.
It was on and on about.
It was all the talking points that you know
were so obviously untrue and it was
nauseating.
And eventually he's and then he was going
on about and you know Trump is an
unreliable partner in foreign affairs
because he won't keep his word.

(01:27:12):
And that's when I said to him, I
interrupted and I was like oh, you mean
like when you and Obama didn't keep your
word with the red line in Syria, you know,
I said and and what was his?
response oh, what do you think?
What do you think?
I said when, when you actually opened the
door, um for, uh, the Russians to go balls

(01:27:33):
to the wall, basically, basically, because
they knew that the West wasn't coming to
help the rebels in any meaningful way and
hundreds of thousands of Syrians have died
and been wounded and been driven out of
their country ever since and they're still
suffering right now.
And he said, oh, I don't think that's right,
I don't think that's when that happened.
And I was like, oh no, and I went through

(01:27:55):
it in detail that's right, I don't think
that's when that happened and I was like,
oh no.
And I went through it in detail and he was
absolutely, absolutely apoplectic, livid,
angry, but he couldn't take it out on me
because he had no comeback.
He literally had no comeback because he
literally had no comeback because it was
true and so anyway, he shut you up a few a

(01:28:18):
few minutes later.
A few minutes later he got kind of annoyed
because that sort of opened the door for
other people at the table to start raising
things that were not challenging, but a
little bit, you know, it had been pretty
sycophantic up until that point.
It was kind of like everyone sitting there
listening, you know.
And then people started to say, well, you

(01:28:38):
know, and what about this, and what about
that?
And he got really mad and he said I'm not
going to talk anymore.
And that was the point at which a very nice
man, who I shall not name, said oh no,
please, you know, please, don't like, don't
stop talking, because we really want to
hear.
You're a great talker and we want to hear
what you have to say.

(01:28:58):
And then he threatened to hit him.
Really.
Yeah, he said, let's take this outside,
I'll show you.
And he lost his shit at the table.
Nobody could believe it.
Nobody could believe it.
And afterwards Valerie Jarrett came up and
tried to attack me.
Really.
Yeah, and said by the way, I want to say

(01:29:20):
that what you did to the vice president was
extremely disrespectful.
And I said to her, with all due respect,
ma'am, it's former vice president and I
don't agree, and I don't agree.
That was it.
There you go.
Yeah, so it's just anyway.

(01:29:40):
We're getting off track from the Syria
thing.
But what has happened recently is that the
Syrian opposition has been in.
Well, not Syrian opposition, they're now
the government forces.
Government forces have been in violent
clashes with the reportedly remnants of

(01:30:00):
Assad, his loyalists and, of course, as
always, civilians are just being massacred,
and the videos don't lie.
I mean, you see incredible brutality.
There's videos of men being forced to crawl
on the ground, barking like dogs that were
reportedly executed afterwards.

(01:30:21):
Although you don't see that, I mean, it's a
good chance it happened because there's
plenty of execution videos.
And what has happened is that the leader of
Syria, al-jalani, has actually said that
they're going to take action.
So it remains to be seen.
He said, even those close to us.

(01:30:42):
Now, you might look at that cynically.
I looked at that cynically at first and I
was like, oh yeah, sure, they're going to
take action.
But when you start to drill down on it, the
reporting isolates two factions of the
opposition that are now part of the
government forces that have been behind a
lot of the killings.

(01:31:03):
It is possible that Al-Jalani could these
people could be trying to discredit his
efforts.
No.
You know, by allowing.
Or it could be that they have carte blanche
and he's being a typical hypocrite who's in
power and saying what needs to be said
publicly when they get shamed spreading
terror but then pretending to be sorry

(01:31:24):
about it.
Or it could be that this is an opportunity
for him to cleanse the ranks of his forces
of troublemakers, people that are not
really on his side, that are part of the
opposition forces he brought together.
I mean, we really don't know.
The truth is we don't know because, number
one, enough time hasn't gone by.
But number two, how do you get reliable

(01:31:45):
reporting these days?

Luke (01:31:48):
I mean people are getting the news from X,
you know.
I mean that's the reality.
We're not seeing, we're not hearing about
this on mainstream news.
I mean the killing of least Christians.

Lara (01:31:56):
But do you even watch mainstream news?

Luke (01:31:58):
I don't anymore, but I'm watching it, I'm
seeing what I see and they're not covering
it, they're not putting it out there.

Lara (01:32:06):
Well, there's been very little foreign
coverage of any kind since Donald Trump was
elected the first time, right.

Luke (01:32:11):
That's true.

Lara (01:32:12):
I mean that's really when it dropped off
the map and as a foreign correspondent and
a war correspondent, I mean that was
something I was acutely aware of.
But even for me, someone whose entire life
has been, that I noticed, I mean it was so
consuming.
What was happening in the US was so
consuming because it's so catastrophic.

(01:32:34):
Yeah.
You know, I mean it really is.
It's catastrophic when you have a United
States president being accused of being a
Russian spy and Putin being his handler and
you're watching, basically, I mean a real
insurrection happening, that's true.

Luke (01:32:49):
Exactly.

Lara (01:32:51):
And nobody's doing anything about it.
I mean that starts to be like this is the
seat of power in the United States of
America, the bastion of freedom for the
world.
It's being torn apart from within and
people aren't paying it.
I mean that's catastrophic, right?
Not that what's happening in Syria isn't

(01:33:12):
catastrophic, but it just feels like we've
become so myopic and it's bizarre because,
in theory, X is the eyes of the world,
right, but it's thoughtful.
It's really thoughtful, investigative,
long-term.
It's an investment in reporting that you're
not seeing, and I mean how many independent

(01:33:34):
reporters can afford, like the way cbs
would send me and other reporters all
across the world?
Establish a bureau.
You know to the tune of what I mean
millions of dollars right right to to
maintain a bureau in a war zone.
Uh, for years, that's millions of dollars
right, what independent broadcasters can

(01:33:55):
afford that?
I mean most independent broadcasters are
just trying to survive hell.

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And to close out this week's episode, I do
think it's really important for us to
extend our condolences and to send our love
and prayers to InfoWars, to send our love
and prayers to InfoWars, to Alex Jones and
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(01:35:05):
Really really horrific crime.
I mean still early days.
Early days.
Right now we don't know a whole lot about
it.
I spoke to Alex.
He said he'd been shot in the neck sort of
assassination style, and I know from my own

(01:35:27):
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It's obviously a huge shift in how we get

(01:35:50):
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But I just I don't want it to get lost in
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on a Sunday night and never came in the
next day and was shot and killed in a

(01:36:11):
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