June 15, 2025 • 41 mins
What’s it really like growing up in a world of climate crisis, gun violence, ICE raids, and social media chaos? Becky Montes doesn’t hold back. In this real-talk episode, Jesse invites Becky to share the triumphs and the trauma of Gen Z’s experience. They dive deep into humor as a coping tool, the dual identity of immigrant families, and what older generations often get wrong. This isn’t a lecture—it’s a lived perspective that demands to be heard. And in the midst of it all? Hope, humor, and healing. It’s that part where truth becomes clarity—and clarity becomes action.
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And Becky, welcome to the podcast.
It's that part and thereis meaning behind that.
Okay.
It's that part right there.
Now, for those of you which includemyself that haven't met you, how would you
describe yourself outside of the resume?
Because I know because a personcan, you know, say I've done this,
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I'm that, this, that and the other.
You can read it right down there, butwhat's that, Becky, outside of the resume?
That's a good question because I alwaysstruggle with this 'cause like I always
have like my school and educationas part of my identity, which is, it
is true, but also outside of that Ifeel like I'm a very creative person.
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And whether that be like traditionalin like our, but I also can manifest
like I really like baking and cookingand then I love read books and
like I'm really into pop culture.
And it's kind of bad.
I'm very, I'm very chronically online.
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Let's put it like thisor twist it a little bit.
How does the personality that you justdescribed show up in the work that you
do, whether it's at Brown or back herein the LA area, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
I. Also, I'm a very empathetic personand I feel like that kind of manifests
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itself with my art and what I studyat Brown, at political science.
And it kind of like manifestsitself with like the intersection
of both of them, like politic
because I. I firsthand with my parents.
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And their struggle as being likeimmigrants here and then, obtaining
their citizenship and I saw all thehardship that they were, going through.
And so I decided that I wantedto kind of be later in my career,
help people like my parents.
And also I had like interest inpolitics, but most importantly I had
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interest in like, I was very into theconstitution and like I was very nerdy
and I would have a pocket constitutionand I would just love looking at
I love that.
Looking all of the Bill of Rights.
Yeah.
And then I feel like theintersection with art too.
I. Initially I thought they were twodifferent things and I was like, there's
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no way that they can like coincide.
Until the summer of my junior yearwhere I had an internship at the
UCLA Hammer Museum and it was acombination of a workshop where also
we collaborated with a nonprofitorganization called and do a campaign.
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Helped K through 12 education havearts education, and within that we were
instructed to make like posters andcreate artwork for the proposition.
And so that was kind of like adeliverable at the end of the internship.
And then after that I decided thatI was very passionate about that.
So I continued to pursue that with,youth for pop the number it was.
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And, we kind of made like a socialmedia about it and at the end we
kind of did like a panel and apresentation to like future and
prospective voters for the proposition.
And in the end, the proposition passed.
So I feel like we were able to, you know,the hour of her and see how it like.
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Flourished.
Right.
You had mentioned, both of your majorsthere, and I'm glad you went down that
direction as a political scientist,if you would or as it relates to
political science and the visualarts, what does that combination of
intellect and creativity allow you toexplore that many others might miss?
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Having, like having a political outlookon art is helpful in that, like, when
you're creating art, I feel like youthink more ethically and you kind of,
like, for example, if you're taking,if you're doing photography, you would
kind of want to be like, okay, so youknow, the ethical side and the moral
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side of what pictures not to take andwhat pictures are appropriate to take.
Or you could also use that in mind of ifthere's protests and you want, to take a
photo of into protests that are happening.
Also take in mind that you don'tnecessarily want these people's
faces in the photos because youknow that they can be identifiable.
And then so kind of moreconscious how you are.
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The people who are looking at your art andkind of how it impacts those people in it.
And then I guess for the artistcreative mindset in politics, I feel
like it kind of goes through likeempathy and also seeing the beauty
in any political issue or topic.
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I feel like having acreative perspective on.
Any political issue, I feel like itkind of gives me a more expansive
view and just kind of taking moreviewpoints of other people because I
feel like art and art making, you'regetting a lot of criticism and like
different takes from different people.
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And I feel like that canmanifest itself in politics.
You can hear, uh, different sidesand then I feel like I am more
geared to taking all those, youknow, viewpoints and kind of like.
Thinking about it to myself and then likepicking up what I think goes together
and what makes sense for me, and thenforming my own opinion on something.
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Well, as far as those two,do you ever find yourself
choosing one or or the other?
Or are they in constantdialogue with one another?
I feel like in college I always say thatart, I decided on visual arts because.
I took one class and then I realized howmuch I needed one art class in my semester
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or else I would very much go in depressivemode and very like academic, like focus.
It was therapeutic.
Yeah, it was a therapeutic thingand I was like, that's, I would say
to my friends, that would keep mesane, so I always had the art and
so I was like, okay, might as well.
If I'm going to take an art classevery semester, I think I can think
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about, majoring in it and alsowould probably wanna pursue also
something in the creative field.
So I feel like sometimes yes, they're incommon or fighting against each other.
But I feel like realistically the endpoint, I am thinking like, oh, law school,
which is more directly for, the politicalscience side, but I. While I'm actually in
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college, I feel like a lot of my side gigsand hobbies go towards the creative side.
You mentioned law school, theprevious guest that I was alluding
to earlier, I don't know if I'vementioned it or not, but, one of them
being, a former Superior court judgehad indicated that back in the day.
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If you are thinking about going tolaw school, actually political science
was considered pre-law at the time.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
It was actually pre-law, you know?
Uh, if you didn't do that thenyou weren't really serious.
No.
Yeah.
But I feel like nowadays, like everyoneknows that law school, like any major
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can get you into law school now.
So like it's very universal nowadays.
Even sometimes people who study politicalscience or government or something that is
very like law related can be like a littledull or a lot of people go this route and
that's why like sub pat is law schoolswanna find other people and other majors
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'cause they feel like it gives a fresh.
Also like my mom always says like,why visual arts as your second one?
Like is that's not reallyhelping you with like law school.
And I feel like, I actuallythink it's the opposite.
Yes, political science, ithelps me understand the actual
law part and policy side.
Right.
But I feel the art perspectivegives a different perspective.
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Sure.
The combination of both is likean interesting combo, and I feel
like it's kind of refreshing.
And then
you're almost settingup your niche, you know?
Yeah.
On the other side, becausethere's so many niches mm-hmm.
In the law, you know, I mean, there'sa, there's a lawyer for everything.
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Yeah.
And like, that's also another thingI, I'm also really interested in
entertainment, law, and like that's Yeah.
And entertainment.
Now what does being GenerationZ and I believe your generation
is also referred to as Zoomers.
Yeah.
I did not know.
Yeah.
Yes.
That's I guess a catchall phrase there.
Zoomer 'cause I'm a part of the boomers.
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And, so with the Z there, theZoomers, but what does being
a generation z, mean to you?
And and not just demographically,but culturally, politically and
even spiritually if you're there?
I feel like, especially in this time,we're kind of all, like, at first I
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thought, like at first, in the beginning,we were kind of all together in this.
I was like.
We're like, during COVID, we obviously,we've gone through a lot, we've
seen a lot of political changes,especially with the election and
then now, and then obviously COVID.
And I feel like since the beginningwe all, a lot of, at least like older
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generations, were like, oh, gen Z is veryprogressive and very like, out there.
And I genuinely do feel that way.
However, actually I think now.
With all the Joe Rogans and all the likeAndrew Tate, I feel like there's starting
to become a more like divide in betweenlike the progressives and then now there's
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gonna more conservative demographic.
So I feel like there, there's kind of beena little bit more of a, rift, but I feel
like our generation right now is able to.
Learn from our experiences that we'vegone through and genuinely make a change.
I know right now it's very hard, butI feel like we're very underestimated.
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But I feel like we're also, wehave the ability to make a change.
I feel like we're very vocaland if we like form communities,
were able to kind of like.
It, you know, in the words of,a, politician that you might be
familiar with, there was a phrasethat was used Hard work is good work.
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Yes.
I dunno who,
Well let's just say she'snot president right now.
Yes.
But that's a phrase she
used all her, I'm so sad.
But we, her, we.
We tried our best.
Yeah.
Well, you know, and she wouldbe the first to say, don't stop.
Yeah.
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Don't stop.
Yeah.
I feel like her message, like whenshe lost, she was like, don't stop
and keep going because I feel likebetter days are forward and they are.
It's just more hard, hard workto get that done, but if will
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that as happened in history.
You know, some people knock on thedoor, some people get the door jarred,
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some people have kicked the door, openthere so that others coming behind them.
Yeah.
Can get in and do their thing.
Exactly
whatever it is now, what do youthink older generations, speaking
of older generations, what doyou think older generations get
wrong or overlook about Gen Z?
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I think maybe think that we'renaive in thinking that, for
example, like the environmentand they're like, oh, it's a ho.
Why even try, it'sirreversible, but I feel like.
If you really look into it, gen Z is morepowerful than you think and more educated.
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I feel like they underestimate howeducated we are and how we can understand
that educating ourselves is very much agood step towards progression, because
once we educate ourselves on eitherpolicies or any other any other issue?
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I feel like people can band togetherand understand, okay, we need
to do this and this to progress.
And I feel like the old generationeither don't listen to us because
they already think, oh, they're naive,they don't know what they're talking
about, or they just don't believeus and don't think that we have
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point of information.
I'm definitely, I might be of the oldergeneration, I guess, compared to, but I
don't believe any of that, of what theybelieve, if that's what they believe.
I'm not a part of their camp.
I am.
I'm progressive all the way.
I'd say go.
Uh, and
all like, you also arealso helping us like our
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pause.
Yes.
I'm all about that.
And giving, like for example, rightnow, you're giving me a platform
or younger generations of platforms
Yes.
Be to younger, other, younger generations.
And
it's important.
Yeah.
It's important.
And you are a part of a generation thatgrew up during climate change, school
shootings and the rise of social media.
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I. How do you carry all of that?
Very, very hard.
I feel like honestly, gen Z,especially how we carry that is humor.
I feel like that's a huge thing.
Like we cope with a lot of thosethings by just joking about it.
But it is really hard for, like, whenyou said school shooting, there's
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also, there was like a thing at myschool, like a violence on campus
because there was like a stabbing likeoutside of our school and we protested
during school time and we protested formore school safety, but also meaning
that there was less police presence.
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And I, what I found most special aboutmy experience at that school was that
one of our government teachers gave usa platform to talk about school safety.
One of our requirements for graduationis to have this like class projects.
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About an issue that you'relike very passionate about.
And it was supposed to be individual,but she was like, do you guys want to do
a whole class project on school safety?
So then we interviewed a bunchof teachers and a bunch of
students on like safety on campus.
And then at the end we had a meetingwith our principal and the superintendent
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to talk about school safety on campus.
So I really appreciated her givingus like, you know, an outlet and
especially her as a teacher beinga person of authority to, you know,
back up our thoughts and, yeah.
And I feel like that was very impactful.
That's key.
That's key.
Because more than likelywhy, I don't know.
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But there may have been a chance thatparticular teacher experienced similar
things when they were coming up.
And so it's all about giving back.
Yeah.
Giving back and paying forward.
Exactly.
Because if this is happening now,something else will be happening down
the road, something unforeseen, you know?
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Yeah.
And I, and I imagine we canall just scratch our head
like, is all this really real?
Is this happening?
My goodness.
So what gives yourgeneration hope right now?
And if it is hope or, well,I'll just leave it there.
What gives your generation hope?
I think the activism that I seefrom my friends, at least, like
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at Brown, I know a lot of people.
Are involved in like clubs, andthere's a lot of protests at my school
like for example, like the Palestineprotests and then also the ice raids.
So it's really surprising and verynice to see that whenever I go outside
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there's these huge rallies and they'reall young people and they're out there
like, Lisa Brown, like on the news.
The police came on campus and thenthere were students who were getting
arrested and people putting, theireducation on the line as well.
And I just I find very,a lot of hope in that.
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Okay.
, Just like my own community and how much we're willing to risk ourselves
and the people with privilege,especially, I see a lot of like.
For the Palestine protests, like a lot ofwhite people with privilege they're the
ones that like, oh yes, we're the oneswho need to be on the lines and, help
the people who can't necessarily do that.
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And I find that reallyencouraging and helpful.
And you'll find that has beenthe case throughout history with.
The civil rights movements and everything.
Yeah.
Always that element there.
Now you're involved with, LA Za.
Is that, did I pronounce that correct?
Yeah.
What's the energy like that, what'sthe energy like in that space?
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So first, I was very hesitant withjoining any affinity clubs because I
know that they can be a little cliqueysometimes, and I'm very scared of
dipping my toes in that, but it wasessentially a very small club in the
beginning, and so I was, I felt very like.
Comfortable joining that space becauseI knew one person on the club, so I
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was like, oh, okay, let me try it.
And it's also like pre-law,something that I am interested in.
And yeah, it was just a small group ofpeople and we give resources to Latino
students to specifically on campus
for pre-law or pre policy becausethere's not a lot of us on campus.
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Yeah, there's not a lot, there'sa lot of, pre-med stem, but
pre-law we don't see that much.
And so we just wanted to create a spacethat was for, Latinos that are even
thinking about like pre-law or pre policy.
Well, what's one conversationhappening there that the wider
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public should really be listening to?
I'd say.
Our club is mostly like giving out,like doing events, and so I feel
like it's one conversation is thatit's more attainable than you think.
So for example, like a lot of peoplethink, oh, the LSAT and all this prep
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and law school is very expensive, butthere's actually a lot of resources
out there to help people like us getto those places, whether that be money.
There's a bunch of like alumni networksor websites that help Latino students, get
the platform that they need to do that.
Like one of our events last semester waswe collaborated with Yale, Latinas, and
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there another affinity group at Yale LawSchool of women in, in their law school.
And we actually got a tour from them.
We went on a train to Yale.
And so we got a tour from them andthen we were able to ask them questions
and the conversation was very honest.
And that's what I really appreciatedbecause in that space we were able to
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ask, how did you afford to pay for this?
We were able to ask hard questions.
How were you able to navigateall this stuff with the Trump?
Like budget cuts.
And yeah, it was just a safe space forLatino students to kind of understand
our own perspectives because we comefrom a specific perspective and bond
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over that and see how people like usfrom first gen immigrant families can
get to such huge, accomplishments ofgoing to law school and it's possible.
Yes.
I bet that sounds like an excellentorganization and one I would
definitely support for sure.
Definitely.
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Now with everything going on in theworld, immigration, you mentioned Gaza
shooting debt, you mentioned that.
Race relations.
What issue is personal to you right now?
Definitely immigration.
Especially now with , the ice raidsthat are happening as we speak right
now, as we speak in downtown la
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and like in the podcast episode thatI did for Brown, we're specifically
where my segment was talkingabout immigration in Rhode Island.
Because there is like a section, RhodeIsland that is from predominantly Latino
ice is targeting those places and likegoing to establishments and deporting
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individuals and it hits so close to homebecause my parents are immigrants and I
saw them through the whole process like.
I know how it feels to have to everysecond of the day, be scared that, oh well
my parents get deported or, and even nowin the circumstance that they're in, now
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that they're citizens, I'm still havingthat concern and that's still very scary.
So I think that I, and immigrationpolicies definitely like a huge thing.
I think the biggest part of that totake away is to use your resources.
And pass them along to, for example,like if an ice agent comes to, you
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know, tell your parents who don'tnecessarily know English because they
usually fall victim to, complying withthe police and say, okay, these are the
words that you need to say in order to,push them away and not open the doors.
'Cause these are your rightsand you must know your rights.
So I think the most thing istelling everyone, you know.
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These are your rights, say this exactscript, to not fall victim to that.
That's, excellent.
Being prepared.
That's half the battle.
Yeah.
But as you alluded to, these are just somevery interesting times there that, thank
God we got Brother Garcia back, but there.
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Things are just wild.
I mean, even if you're prepared, there'svery hairy situations that you're involved
with, but at least you're prepared.
Exactly.
In fact, if not just in fact, but at leastmentally, I. Ready, because it could go
in a number of different directions there.
Now you mentioned your podcast and I hadthe opportunity of, I listened to maybe
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a couple of them and I enjoyed them.
I definitely did.
I just smiled.
I was just teasing all the waythrough, like, oh, this is great.
This is great.
Your podcast.
Your podcast host.
And the editor over there at Brownis for the Brown political review.
Is that what that is?
Yes.
Okay.
How did you get into that spaceand what do you love most about it?
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It's actually, it was a very,like random and like moment for
me because I just saw that on.
Their creative applications open.
And it was like the multimedia board,the business board, and then the,
well, I'm part of the multimediaboard and so when I applied,
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and I am subscribed to itby the way, but go ahead.
Oh yeah.
And when I applied there was like, what?
Are you interested inphotography, podcasts, video.
And of course I did all of thembecause I love trying new things.
And I was put on the podcastteam and that was the one where
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I was the most unfamiliar, likeout of photography and video.
I knew kind of like most of that, thepodcast I was unfamiliar, but I also
wanted to kind of dip my toe into podcastbecause I feel like that'd be very fun.
And it's also kind of like acombination of reporting and also.
The creative side of likesound, music, editing.
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So I was really excited.
And it kind of works in that there's twoco or there's two co-hosts a week, and
we decide like what segments we want.
We work with other people onthe podcast team and they pitch
ideas and they're like, okay.
We would have segments, forexample, a day in office, which
one person would be assigned to.
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What is Trump doing today in office?
And then we would have like passport,which is like news that would be
happening in a different country.
So we would have reoccurring sesegments, but also, reporting on,
, issues that are happening as we speak.
So I think my favorite part of thisis like researching and then kind
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of doing like a news article beingout loud, give my own opinion.
It been really fun.
There was the GBQ rights episode and I wastalking about the executive order of Trump
putting an ex on transgender passports.
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I actually read that helped me.
I actually read the whole executiveorder and it was really fun for me.
I was like nitpicking at stuff and I was,and it coincided with my love for the
constitution because I understood likewhat constitutional rights technically
we're violated in this executive order.
And it was really fun to thinkabout and dissect and, yeah.
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And it was fun for you.
But it was very informative for everybodythat's listening to that and encouraging
and provided direction and everythingthat hey, at least someone knows what's
going on or someone else gets it there.
So along those lines there, what doyou think makes a powerful episode?
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I think not onlyreporting on it, but also.
Getting anecdotes fromthe, from real life.
For example, like with that passportthing, I feel like it was more powerful
that I showed an example that washappening in real life, for example,
in that, because I was talking aboutan actress that was talking about that
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executive order, hunter Schafer, she like.
Felt it firsthand, and I feel like,especially for Gen Z, because I feel
like it reaches a wider audience.
When you talk about someone sointo pop culture and you're kind of
relating to that and be like, oh wow.
Even celebrities, people that we know areactually like being affected by politics.
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I feel like that is the biggest thingand the biggest thing that I feel like
young people need to understand is that.
To get involved in politics because Ifeel like that's, everyone's like you're
living in a very political world like you.
You must be political in a way to feelempathy, sympathy for other people.
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I feel like an anecdote is verypowerful when reporting news
because you can put a story or.
A specific issue.
Right.
That's also known inbiblical terms as a parable.
Yes.
That was used to teach a whole lot, yeah.
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You're at Brown, Rhode Island,moved there from the LA area.
Yeah.
What's it like navigating both of thoseworlds or may, maybe it's best put, what
do you miss most about home and what haveyou gained from being away from home?
Yeah, I think a big part of, 'causeprior to going to college, I actually
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never really went to another state.
I was always in California, and eitherway, when I was in my college search
process, I was always determined.
I was like, I wanna go to a good school.
And I never really thought aboutthe actual leaving my state.
I was just like, oh yeah, Ineed to go to good school.
I didn't actually thinkabout like, wait, I need to.
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Be thousands of miles away from my family.
Right.
I thought it was gonna be like,once I actually got closer to
move-in day, I was like, wow, Ididn't actually think about this.
And I was very scared.
But I also have to understand that it'snecessary for you to grow as a person.
And I definitely, and the change wasdefinitely easier than I thought actually.
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Because also I feel like now we canFaceTime my family and there's more
contact and connect between that.
So I feel like that was pretty easy.
But I guess the hardest part isobviously not seeing or hugging
your family members in person, likeonce you are having, a tough time.
But also I feel like I was ableto learn with that experience.
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Making friends at college whoreally, I guess, are in place of
your family and who really supportyou and you know are there for you.
So I think dealing with the familybeing a way, you just kind of
have to make up for it by formingyour own community at college.
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Yeah, and I feel like also alot of times the hardest part
is also imposter syndrome.
Which is being away from a tinyhigh school to now this plethora
of great students who are, youfeel inferior and you're like, wow.
But then you also have to thinkin retrospect that you're like,
oh, you're here for a reason.
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You are picked because youhave a different perspective
than other people here.
Hey, you belong.
Yeah.
You belong.
Just like them, you know?
Exactly.
They came from somewhere too.
You know what what I I've ascertainedjust from this conversation.
Mm-hmm.
And from and from your father,you have a very powerful voice
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and you clearly have a lot to say.
Yeah.
Where did that confidence come from?
That's a great question.
I feel like I don't,
or are you still building it?
Oh, yes.
I feel like that's a thingthat, that's a lifelong thing.
You can't really attain full confidenceever, but I feel like definitely it's
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like you work your way through that.
And I feel like a reason for thatis also is partly my parents.
They allow me to speak, they allow me.
To speak my mind.
And that's also one of the reasons whyI was like, oh, maybe I should be a
lawyer because I'm really good at arguingand I'm really good at like my parents
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allow me to do a little repartee withthem, even if it's like a little mean.
But like I feel like, yeah, myparents allow me to speak my
mind and say what I wanna say.
So I feel like confidence is also.
Just help me
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with what I wanna say.
And also being a politician, youhave to say everything, but I
don't really wanna be a politician.
I wanna be a lawyer.
But you still have to have a strongvoice in the courtroom for that.
Yes, you do.
Now as, as far as thatgoes, prosecutor or defense?
I think defense.
Okay.
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Yeah.
I want, I definitely wanna defendthe little guy, or at least
you know, you have to defend.
Yeah.
I guess like later in my career, Ido wanna defend the little guy, but
I also need to build up a littlebit of money first in my career, and
then I can defend the little guy.
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It comes.
Actually, now looking forward,do you see yourself heading.
Definitely towards law and lawschool or the media or public
policy, or are you still exploring?
Exploring?
I think more and more in collegeI decide that I don't wanna be a
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politician and I wanna do more solike actual what lawyers do because.
Nitpicking and like lookingat, laws and finding loopholes.
And I just really like, presenting acase, making like all these connections
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and then like defending aside, Ifeel like I'm, yeah, guided more
toward, towards lawyer, but then also.
I am also a very open for that.
Like anything that presents in that route,I'm just very open to whatever opportunity
that comes to me and whatever, I thinkI will learn from the most, I'll take
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it, especially being like pretty young.
I have time to decide what I wanna do.
And also there's hobbies and sometimeshobbies can turn into, a job, a career.
So I think just like, funny enough, lawyer
is the plan right now.
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And if my creative career takesoff, then I can go that way or I
could find a way that it intersects.
Well, speaking of time, and thismight be a tough question here.
If you can't.
Here 10 years, what kind of worldwould you like to be helping build?
And what role would youlike to be playing in it?
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The building?
You've already touchedon a few things there.
I mean, you're part ofan organization as well.
What do you think?
I think a more, I think community,definitely a more collaborative world
also a more creative world, I also,I really am for people being more
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creative in their lives because I feellike it would be beneficial to them.
Yeah.
And then what I see myself playingthat role, I don't know, kind
of being a super guide for that.
I didn't know what role that willtake either, being advocates.
Or activist and, sharing my knowledge
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or, yeah.
I don't know.
That's a start right there.
That's a start.
Many started right there.
Yeah.
And it just evolves intosomething beautiful and I
have no doubt that it will.
Final question, if theentire country's youth.
By the way, this podcast, as you know,most podcasts are widely distributed.
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So it's gonna be, youknow all over the world.
But if the entire country's youthwill focus on this country for the
sake of, the conversation, youth weretuned in right now listening on the,
the rebroadcast on the replay, andyou had 60 seconds to speak to them.
What would you say?
Wow,
60 seconds or less.
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I would say embrace change and berid of this opportunity, because I
feel like a lot like the saying goes,you miss a hundred percent of the
opportunities that you don't take.
And I genuinely think that's, Ithink that's how the saying goes.
I definitely think that's a reallya good way to look at things if
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you're like hesitant about something.
But you know that in the long run it will.
Benefit you in some way.
You'll learn at least one thing.
I think go for it.
Because the worst thing that canhappen is that you don't like it.
Okay, let's go back.
But the best thing that canhappen is something unimaginable
that you can imagine.
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So I feel like take comfort in beinguncomfortable a little bit because
you never know what will happen and I.
Taking risks.
Taking risks and creative.
Ah, yes, yes.
Now that's speaking directly to the youth.
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Now, if the elders were like, over theshoulder, they were like listening,
like what is she listening to?
What is he listening to?
What would you like them tooverhear in the message there?
I say be active listeners and be enablers.
Be enablers to
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yes, be enablers to your sons,daughters, family members, young
people, and yeah, be enablers.
I think that's excellentand great punctuation there.
Becky.
Thank you so, so very much fortaking the time out to have
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this conversation with me.
And it's that part.
See that's where the phrase come from.
It's that part right there that matters.
And to you and everyone at Brown,putting in the work right now.
Keep going, keep doing and keep being.
Thank you so much.
You are very welcome there.
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God bless you.
And Becky, welcome to the podcast.
It's that part and thereis meaning behind that.
Okay.
It's that part right there.
Now, for those of you which includemyself that haven't met you, how would you
describe yourself outside of the resume?
Because I know because a personcan, you know, say I've done this,
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I'm that, this, that and the other.
You can read it right down there, butwhat's that, Becky, outside of the resume?
That's a good question because I alwaysstruggle with this 'cause like I always
have like my school and educationas part of my identity, which is, it
is true, but also outside of that Ifeel like I'm a very creative person.
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And whether that be like traditionalin like our, but I also can manifest
like I really like baking and cookingand then I love read books and
like I'm really into pop culture.
And it's kind of bad.
I'm very, I'm very chronically online.
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Let's put it like thisor twist it a little bit.
How does the personality that you justdescribed show up in the work that you
do, whether it's at Brown or back herein the LA area, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
I. Also, I'm a very empathetic personand I feel like that kind of manifests
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itself with my art and what I studyat Brown, at political science.
And it kind of like manifestsitself with like the intersection
of both of them, like politic
because I. I firsthand with my parents.
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And their struggle as being likeimmigrants here and then, obtaining
their citizenship and I saw all thehardship that they were, going through.
And so I decided that I wantedto kind of be later in my career,
help people like my parents.
And also I had like interest inpolitics, but most importantly I had
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interest in like, I was very into theconstitution and like I was very nerdy
and I would have a pocket constitutionand I would just love looking at
I love that.
Looking all of the Bill of Rights.
Yeah.
And then I feel like theintersection with art too.
I. Initially I thought they were twodifferent things and I was like, there's
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no way that they can like coincide.
Until the summer of my junior yearwhere I had an internship at the
UCLA Hammer Museum and it was acombination of a workshop where also
we collaborated with a nonprofitorganization called and do a campaign.
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Helped K through 12 education havearts education, and within that we were
instructed to make like posters andcreate artwork for the proposition.
And so that was kind of like adeliverable at the end of the internship.
And then after that I decided thatI was very passionate about that.
So I continued to pursue that with,youth for pop the number it was.
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And, we kind of made like a socialmedia about it and at the end we
kind of did like a panel and apresentation to like future and
prospective voters for the proposition.
And in the end, the proposition passed.
So I feel like we were able to, you know,the hour of her and see how it like.
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Flourished.
Right.
You had mentioned, both of your majorsthere, and I'm glad you went down that
direction as a political scientist,if you would or as it relates to
political science and the visualarts, what does that combination of
intellect and creativity allow you toexplore that many others might miss?
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Having, like having a political outlookon art is helpful in that, like, when
you're creating art, I feel like youthink more ethically and you kind of,
like, for example, if you're taking,if you're doing photography, you would
kind of want to be like, okay, so youknow, the ethical side and the moral
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side of what pictures not to take andwhat pictures are appropriate to take.
Or you could also use that in mind of ifthere's protests and you want, to take a
photo of into protests that are happening.
Also take in mind that you don'tnecessarily want these people's
faces in the photos because youknow that they can be identifiable.
And then so kind of moreconscious how you are.
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The people who are looking at your art andkind of how it impacts those people in it.
And then I guess for the artistcreative mindset in politics, I feel
like it kind of goes through likeempathy and also seeing the beauty
in any political issue or topic.
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I feel like having acreative perspective on.
Any political issue, I feel like itkind of gives me a more expansive
view and just kind of taking moreviewpoints of other people because I
feel like art and art making, you'regetting a lot of criticism and like
different takes from different people.
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And I feel like that canmanifest itself in politics.
You can hear, uh, different sidesand then I feel like I am more
geared to taking all those, youknow, viewpoints and kind of like.
Thinking about it to myself and then likepicking up what I think goes together
and what makes sense for me, and thenforming my own opinion on something.
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Well, as far as those two,do you ever find yourself
choosing one or or the other?
Or are they in constantdialogue with one another?
I feel like in college I always say thatart, I decided on visual arts because.
I took one class and then I realized howmuch I needed one art class in my semester
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or else I would very much go in depressivemode and very like academic, like focus.
It was therapeutic.
Yeah, it was a therapeutic thingand I was like, that's, I would say
to my friends, that would keep mesane, so I always had the art and
so I was like, okay, might as well.
If I'm going to take an art classevery semester, I think I can think
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about, majoring in it and alsowould probably wanna pursue also
something in the creative field.
So I feel like sometimes yes, they're incommon or fighting against each other.
But I feel like realistically the endpoint, I am thinking like, oh, law school,
which is more directly for, the politicalscience side, but I. While I'm actually in
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college, I feel like a lot of my side gigsand hobbies go towards the creative side.
You mentioned law school, theprevious guest that I was alluding
to earlier, I don't know if I'vementioned it or not, but, one of them
being, a former Superior court judgehad indicated that back in the day.
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If you are thinking about going tolaw school, actually political science
was considered pre-law at the time.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
It was actually pre-law, you know?
Uh, if you didn't do that thenyou weren't really serious.
No.
Yeah.
But I feel like nowadays, like everyoneknows that law school, like any major
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can get you into law school now.
So like it's very universal nowadays.
Even sometimes people who study politicalscience or government or something that is
very like law related can be like a littledull or a lot of people go this route and
that's why like sub pat is law schoolswanna find other people and other majors
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'cause they feel like it gives a fresh.
Also like my mom always says like,why visual arts as your second one?
Like is that's not reallyhelping you with like law school.
And I feel like, I actuallythink it's the opposite.
Yes, political science, ithelps me understand the actual
law part and policy side.
Right.
But I feel the art perspectivegives a different perspective.
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Sure.
The combination of both is likean interesting combo, and I feel
like it's kind of refreshing.
And then
you're almost settingup your niche, you know?
Yeah.
On the other side, becausethere's so many niches mm-hmm.
In the law, you know, I mean, there'sa, there's a lawyer for everything.
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Yeah.
And like, that's also another thingI, I'm also really interested in
entertainment, law, and like that's Yeah.
And entertainment.
Now what does being GenerationZ and I believe your generation
is also referred to as Zoomers.
Yeah.
I did not know.
Yeah.
Yes.
That's I guess a catchall phrase there.
Zoomer 'cause I'm a part of the boomers.
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And, so with the Z there, theZoomers, but what does being
a generation z, mean to you?
And and not just demographically,but culturally, politically and
even spiritually if you're there?
I feel like, especially in this time,we're kind of all, like, at first I
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thought, like at first, in the beginning,we were kind of all together in this.
I was like.
We're like, during COVID, we obviously,we've gone through a lot, we've
seen a lot of political changes,especially with the election and
then now, and then obviously COVID.
And I feel like since the beginningwe all, a lot of, at least like older
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generations, were like, oh, gen Z is veryprogressive and very like, out there.
And I genuinely do feel that way.
However, actually I think now.
With all the Joe Rogans and all the likeAndrew Tate, I feel like there's starting
to become a more like divide in betweenlike the progressives and then now there's
(10:25):
gonna more conservative demographic.
So I feel like there, there's kind of beena little bit more of a, rift, but I feel
like our generation right now is able to.
Learn from our experiences that we'vegone through and genuinely make a change.
I know right now it's very hard, butI feel like we're very underestimated.
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But I feel like we're also, wehave the ability to make a change.
I feel like we're very vocaland if we like form communities,
were able to kind of like.
It, you know, in the words of,a, politician that you might be
familiar with, there was a phrasethat was used Hard work is good work.
(11:12):
Yes.
I dunno who,
Well let's just say she'snot president right now.
Yes.
But that's a phrase she
used all her, I'm so sad.
But we, her, we.
We tried our best.
Yeah.
Well, you know, and she wouldbe the first to say, don't stop.
Yeah.
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Don't stop.
Yeah.
I feel like her message, like whenshe lost, she was like, don't stop
and keep going because I feel likebetter days are forward and they are.
It's just more hard, hard workto get that done, but if will
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that as happened in history.
You know, some people knock on thedoor, some people get the door jarred,
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some people have kicked the door, openthere so that others coming behind them.
Yeah.
Can get in and do their thing.
Exactly
whatever it is now, what do youthink older generations, speaking
of older generations, what doyou think older generations get
wrong or overlook about Gen Z?
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I think maybe think that we'renaive in thinking that, for
example, like the environmentand they're like, oh, it's a ho.
Why even try, it'sirreversible, but I feel like.
If you really look into it, gen Z is morepowerful than you think and more educated.
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I feel like they underestimate howeducated we are and how we can understand
that educating ourselves is very much agood step towards progression, because
once we educate ourselves on eitherpolicies or any other any other issue?
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I feel like people can band togetherand understand, okay, we need
to do this and this to progress.
And I feel like the old generationeither don't listen to us because
they already think, oh, they're naive,they don't know what they're talking
about, or they just don't believeus and don't think that we have
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point of information.
I'm definitely, I might be of the oldergeneration, I guess, compared to, but I
don't believe any of that, of what theybelieve, if that's what they believe.
I'm not a part of their camp.
I am.
I'm progressive all the way.
I'd say go.
Uh, and
all like, you also arealso helping us like our
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pause.
Yes.
I'm all about that.
And giving, like for example, rightnow, you're giving me a platform
or younger generations of platforms
Yes.
Be to younger, other, younger generations.
And
it's important.
Yeah.
It's important.
And you are a part of a generation thatgrew up during climate change, school
shootings and the rise of social media.
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I. How do you carry all of that?
Very, very hard.
I feel like honestly, gen Z,especially how we carry that is humor.
I feel like that's a huge thing.
Like we cope with a lot of thosethings by just joking about it.
But it is really hard for, like, whenyou said school shooting, there's
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also, there was like a thing at myschool, like a violence on campus
because there was like a stabbing likeoutside of our school and we protested
during school time and we protested formore school safety, but also meaning
that there was less police presence.
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And I, what I found most special aboutmy experience at that school was that
one of our government teachers gave usa platform to talk about school safety.
One of our requirements for graduationis to have this like class projects.
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About an issue that you'relike very passionate about.
And it was supposed to be individual,but she was like, do you guys want to do
a whole class project on school safety?
So then we interviewed a bunchof teachers and a bunch of
students on like safety on campus.
And then at the end we had a meetingwith our principal and the superintendent
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to talk about school safety on campus.
So I really appreciated her givingus like, you know, an outlet and
especially her as a teacher beinga person of authority to, you know,
back up our thoughts and, yeah.
And I feel like that was very impactful.
That's key.
That's key.
Because more than likelywhy, I don't know.
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But there may have been a chance thatparticular teacher experienced similar
things when they were coming up.
And so it's all about giving back.
Yeah.
Giving back and paying forward.
Exactly.
Because if this is happening now,something else will be happening down
the road, something unforeseen, you know?
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Yeah.
And I, and I imagine we canall just scratch our head
like, is all this really real?
Is this happening?
My goodness.
So what gives yourgeneration hope right now?
And if it is hope or, well,I'll just leave it there.
What gives your generation hope?
I think the activism that I seefrom my friends, at least, like
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at Brown, I know a lot of people.
Are involved in like clubs, andthere's a lot of protests at my school
like for example, like the Palestineprotests and then also the ice raids.
So it's really surprising and verynice to see that whenever I go outside
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there's these huge rallies and they'reall young people and they're out there
like, Lisa Brown, like on the news.
The police came on campus and thenthere were students who were getting
arrested and people putting, theireducation on the line as well.
And I just I find very,a lot of hope in that.
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Okay.
, Just like my own community and how much we're willing to risk ourselves
and the people with privilege,especially, I see a lot of like.
For the Palestine protests, like a lot ofwhite people with privilege they're the
ones that like, oh yes, we're the oneswho need to be on the lines and, help
the people who can't necessarily do that.
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And I find that reallyencouraging and helpful.
And you'll find that has beenthe case throughout history with.
The civil rights movements and everything.
Yeah.
Always that element there.
Now you're involved with, LA Za.
Is that, did I pronounce that correct?
Yeah.
What's the energy like that, what'sthe energy like in that space?
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So first, I was very hesitant withjoining any affinity clubs because I
know that they can be a little cliqueysometimes, and I'm very scared of
dipping my toes in that, but it wasessentially a very small club in the
beginning, and so I was, I felt very like.
Comfortable joining that space becauseI knew one person on the club, so I
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was like, oh, okay, let me try it.
And it's also like pre-law,something that I am interested in.
And yeah, it was just a small group ofpeople and we give resources to Latino
students to specifically on campus
for pre-law or pre policy becausethere's not a lot of us on campus.
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Yeah, there's not a lot, there'sa lot of, pre-med stem, but
pre-law we don't see that much.
And so we just wanted to create a spacethat was for, Latinos that are even
thinking about like pre-law or pre policy.
Well, what's one conversationhappening there that the wider
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public should really be listening to?
I'd say.
Our club is mostly like giving out,like doing events, and so I feel
like it's one conversation is thatit's more attainable than you think.
So for example, like a lot of peoplethink, oh, the LSAT and all this prep
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and law school is very expensive, butthere's actually a lot of resources
out there to help people like us getto those places, whether that be money.
There's a bunch of like alumni networksor websites that help Latino students, get
the platform that they need to do that.
Like one of our events last semester waswe collaborated with Yale, Latinas, and
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there another affinity group at Yale LawSchool of women in, in their law school.
And we actually got a tour from them.
We went on a train to Yale.
And so we got a tour from them andthen we were able to ask them questions
and the conversation was very honest.
And that's what I really appreciatedbecause in that space we were able to
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ask, how did you afford to pay for this?
We were able to ask hard questions.
How were you able to navigateall this stuff with the Trump?
Like budget cuts.
And yeah, it was just a safe space forLatino students to kind of understand
our own perspectives because we comefrom a specific perspective and bond
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over that and see how people like usfrom first gen immigrant families can
get to such huge, accomplishments ofgoing to law school and it's possible.
Yes.
I bet that sounds like an excellentorganization and one I would
definitely support for sure.
Definitely.
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Now with everything going on in theworld, immigration, you mentioned Gaza
shooting debt, you mentioned that.
Race relations.
What issue is personal to you right now?
Definitely immigration.
Especially now with , the ice raidsthat are happening as we speak right
now, as we speak in downtown la
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and like in the podcast episode thatI did for Brown, we're specifically
where my segment was talkingabout immigration in Rhode Island.
Because there is like a section, RhodeIsland that is from predominantly Latino
ice is targeting those places and likegoing to establishments and deporting
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individuals and it hits so close to homebecause my parents are immigrants and I
saw them through the whole process like.
I know how it feels to have to everysecond of the day, be scared that, oh well
my parents get deported or, and even nowin the circumstance that they're in, now
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that they're citizens, I'm still havingthat concern and that's still very scary.
So I think that I, and immigrationpolicies definitely like a huge thing.
I think the biggest part of that totake away is to use your resources.
And pass them along to, for example,like if an ice agent comes to, you
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know, tell your parents who don'tnecessarily know English because they
usually fall victim to, complying withthe police and say, okay, these are the
words that you need to say in order to,push them away and not open the doors.
'Cause these are your rightsand you must know your rights.
So I think the most thing istelling everyone, you know.
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These are your rights, say this exactscript, to not fall victim to that.
That's, excellent.
Being prepared.
That's half the battle.
Yeah.
But as you alluded to, these are just somevery interesting times there that, thank
God we got Brother Garcia back, but there.
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Things are just wild.
I mean, even if you're prepared, there'svery hairy situations that you're involved
with, but at least you're prepared.
Exactly.
In fact, if not just in fact, but at leastmentally, I. Ready, because it could go
in a number of different directions there.
Now you mentioned your podcast and I hadthe opportunity of, I listened to maybe
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a couple of them and I enjoyed them.
I definitely did.
I just smiled.
I was just teasing all the waythrough, like, oh, this is great.
This is great.
Your podcast.
Your podcast host.
And the editor over there at Brownis for the Brown political review.
Is that what that is?
Yes.
Okay.
How did you get into that spaceand what do you love most about it?
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It's actually, it was a very,like random and like moment for
me because I just saw that on.
Their creative applications open.
And it was like the multimedia board,the business board, and then the,
well, I'm part of the multimediaboard and so when I applied,
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and I am subscribed to itby the way, but go ahead.
Oh yeah.
And when I applied there was like, what?
Are you interested inphotography, podcasts, video.
And of course I did all of thembecause I love trying new things.
And I was put on the podcastteam and that was the one where
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I was the most unfamiliar, likeout of photography and video.
I knew kind of like most of that, thepodcast I was unfamiliar, but I also
wanted to kind of dip my toe into podcastbecause I feel like that'd be very fun.
And it's also kind of like acombination of reporting and also.
The creative side of likesound, music, editing.
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So I was really excited.
And it kind of works in that there's twoco or there's two co-hosts a week, and
we decide like what segments we want.
We work with other people onthe podcast team and they pitch
ideas and they're like, okay.
We would have segments, forexample, a day in office, which
one person would be assigned to.
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What is Trump doing today in office?
And then we would have like passport,which is like news that would be
happening in a different country.
So we would have reoccurring sesegments, but also, reporting on,
, issues that are happening as we speak.
So I think my favorite part of thisis like researching and then kind
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of doing like a news article beingout loud, give my own opinion.
It been really fun.
There was the GBQ rights episode and I wastalking about the executive order of Trump
putting an ex on transgender passports.
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I actually read that helped me.
I actually read the whole executiveorder and it was really fun for me.
I was like nitpicking at stuff and I was,and it coincided with my love for the
constitution because I understood likewhat constitutional rights technically
we're violated in this executive order.
And it was really fun to thinkabout and dissect and, yeah.
(26:47):
And it was fun for you.
But it was very informative for everybodythat's listening to that and encouraging
and provided direction and everythingthat hey, at least someone knows what's
going on or someone else gets it there.
So along those lines there, what doyou think makes a powerful episode?
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I think not onlyreporting on it, but also.
Getting anecdotes fromthe, from real life.
For example, like with that passportthing, I feel like it was more powerful
that I showed an example that washappening in real life, for example,
in that, because I was talking aboutan actress that was talking about that
(27:32):
executive order, hunter Schafer, she like.
Felt it firsthand, and I feel like,especially for Gen Z, because I feel
like it reaches a wider audience.
When you talk about someone sointo pop culture and you're kind of
relating to that and be like, oh wow.
Even celebrities, people that we know areactually like being affected by politics.
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I feel like that is the biggest thingand the biggest thing that I feel like
young people need to understand is that.
To get involved in politics because Ifeel like that's, everyone's like you're
living in a very political world like you.
You must be political in a way to feelempathy, sympathy for other people.
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I feel like an anecdote is verypowerful when reporting news
because you can put a story or.
A specific issue.
Right.
That's also known inbiblical terms as a parable.
Yes.
That was used to teach a whole lot, yeah.
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You're at Brown, Rhode Island,moved there from the LA area.
Yeah.
What's it like navigating both of thoseworlds or may, maybe it's best put, what
do you miss most about home and what haveyou gained from being away from home?
Yeah, I think a big part of, 'causeprior to going to college, I actually
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never really went to another state.
I was always in California, and eitherway, when I was in my college search
process, I was always determined.
I was like, I wanna go to a good school.
And I never really thought aboutthe actual leaving my state.
I was just like, oh yeah, Ineed to go to good school.
I didn't actually thinkabout like, wait, I need to.
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Be thousands of miles away from my family.
Right.
I thought it was gonna be like,once I actually got closer to
move-in day, I was like, wow, Ididn't actually think about this.
And I was very scared.
But I also have to understand that it'snecessary for you to grow as a person.
And I definitely, and the change wasdefinitely easier than I thought actually.
(29:51):
Because also I feel like now we canFaceTime my family and there's more
contact and connect between that.
So I feel like that was pretty easy.
But I guess the hardest part isobviously not seeing or hugging
your family members in person, likeonce you are having, a tough time.
But also I feel like I was ableto learn with that experience.
(30:16):
Making friends at college whoreally, I guess, are in place of
your family and who really supportyou and you know are there for you.
So I think dealing with the familybeing a way, you just kind of
have to make up for it by formingyour own community at college.
(30:37):
Yeah, and I feel like also alot of times the hardest part
is also imposter syndrome.
Which is being away from a tinyhigh school to now this plethora
of great students who are, youfeel inferior and you're like, wow.
But then you also have to thinkin retrospect that you're like,
oh, you're here for a reason.
(30:59):
You are picked because youhave a different perspective
than other people here.
Hey, you belong.
Yeah.
You belong.
Just like them, you know?
Exactly.
They came from somewhere too.
You know what what I I've ascertainedjust from this conversation.
Mm-hmm.
And from and from your father,you have a very powerful voice
(31:20):
and you clearly have a lot to say.
Yeah.
Where did that confidence come from?
That's a great question.
I feel like I don't,
or are you still building it?
Oh, yes.
I feel like that's a thingthat, that's a lifelong thing.
You can't really attain full confidenceever, but I feel like definitely it's
(31:43):
like you work your way through that.
And I feel like a reason for thatis also is partly my parents.
They allow me to speak, they allow me.
To speak my mind.
And that's also one of the reasons whyI was like, oh, maybe I should be a
lawyer because I'm really good at arguingand I'm really good at like my parents
(32:04):
allow me to do a little repartee withthem, even if it's like a little mean.
But like I feel like, yeah, myparents allow me to speak my
mind and say what I wanna say.
So I feel like confidence is also.
Just help me
(32:25):
with what I wanna say.
And also being a politician, youhave to say everything, but I
don't really wanna be a politician.
I wanna be a lawyer.
But you still have to have a strongvoice in the courtroom for that.
Yes, you do.
Now as, as far as thatgoes, prosecutor or defense?
I think defense.
Okay.
(32:46):
Yeah.
I want, I definitely wanna defendthe little guy, or at least
you know, you have to defend.
Yeah.
I guess like later in my career, Ido wanna defend the little guy, but
I also need to build up a littlebit of money first in my career, and
then I can defend the little guy.
(33:07):
It comes.
Actually, now looking forward,do you see yourself heading.
Definitely towards law and lawschool or the media or public
policy, or are you still exploring?
Exploring?
I think more and more in collegeI decide that I don't wanna be a
(33:28):
politician and I wanna do more solike actual what lawyers do because.
Nitpicking and like lookingat, laws and finding loopholes.
And I just really like, presenting acase, making like all these connections
(33:48):
and then like defending aside, Ifeel like I'm, yeah, guided more
toward, towards lawyer, but then also.
I am also a very open for that.
Like anything that presents in that route,I'm just very open to whatever opportunity
that comes to me and whatever, I thinkI will learn from the most, I'll take
(34:11):
it, especially being like pretty young.
I have time to decide what I wanna do.
And also there's hobbies and sometimeshobbies can turn into, a job, a career.
So I think just like, funny enough, lawyer
is the plan right now.
(34:32):
And if my creative career takesoff, then I can go that way or I
could find a way that it intersects.
Well, speaking of time, and thismight be a tough question here.
If you can't.
Here 10 years, what kind of worldwould you like to be helping build?
And what role would youlike to be playing in it?
(34:57):
The building?
You've already touchedon a few things there.
I mean, you're part ofan organization as well.
What do you think?
I think a more, I think community,definitely a more collaborative world
also a more creative world, I also,I really am for people being more
(35:21):
creative in their lives because I feellike it would be beneficial to them.
Yeah.
And then what I see myself playingthat role, I don't know, kind
of being a super guide for that.
I didn't know what role that willtake either, being advocates.
Or activist and, sharing my knowledge
(35:46):
or, yeah.
I don't know.
That's a start right there.
That's a start.
Many started right there.
Yeah.
And it just evolves intosomething beautiful and I
have no doubt that it will.
Final question, if theentire country's youth.
By the way, this podcast, as you know,most podcasts are widely distributed.
(36:09):
So it's gonna be, youknow all over the world.
But if the entire country's youthwill focus on this country for the
sake of, the conversation, youth weretuned in right now listening on the,
the rebroadcast on the replay, andyou had 60 seconds to speak to them.
What would you say?
Wow,
60 seconds or less.
(36:30):
I would say embrace change and berid of this opportunity, because I
feel like a lot like the saying goes,you miss a hundred percent of the
opportunities that you don't take.
And I genuinely think that's, Ithink that's how the saying goes.
I definitely think that's a reallya good way to look at things if
(36:53):
you're like hesitant about something.
But you know that in the long run it will.
Benefit you in some way.
You'll learn at least one thing.
I think go for it.
Because the worst thing that canhappen is that you don't like it.
Okay, let's go back.
But the best thing that canhappen is something unimaginable
that you can imagine.
(37:14):
So I feel like take comfort in beinguncomfortable a little bit because
you never know what will happen and I.
Taking risks.
Taking risks and creative.
Ah, yes, yes.
Now that's speaking directly to the youth.
(37:35):
Now, if the elders were like, over theshoulder, they were like listening,
like what is she listening to?
What is he listening to?
What would you like them tooverhear in the message there?
I say be active listeners and be enablers.
Be enablers to
(37:57):
yes, be enablers to your sons,daughters, family members, young
people, and yeah, be enablers.
I think that's excellentand great punctuation there.
Becky.
Thank you so, so very much fortaking the time out to have
(38:17):
this conversation with me.
And it's that part.
See that's where the phrase come from.
It's that part right there that matters.
And to you and everyone at Brown,putting in the work right now.
Keep going, keep doing and keep being.
Thank you so much.
You are very welcome there.
(38:39):
God bless you.
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