9. AI & Human Potential: A Conversation with Dr. Alison Harris Welcher

Welcome to Kinwise Conversations! In this episode, I’m honored to chat with Dr. Alison Harris Welcher, strategic leader, educator, and executive life coach, about nurturing human potential, leading with authenticity, and integrating AI thoughtfully into our work and lives.

Dive into this inspiring conversation as Alison reveals:

• The thread of human potential that connects her journey from high-school English teacher to principal, Public Impact leader, and Chief Strategy Officer at Chiefs for Change.

• “Slow down to speed up,” her go-to leadership mantra for pausing, reflecting, and finding richer answers.

• Real-world AI use cases—from polishing professional emails with ChatGPT to crafting personalized meal plans—without sacrificing her personal touch.

• How to resist the perfectionism trap and embrace your “rough edges” in high-visibility roles.

• A hopeful five-year vision where AI-informed leaders know when to say “no” to technology and lean into human connection.

Connect with Dr. Alison Harris Welcher

• Chiefs for Change (Official Website): https://chiefsforchange.org/

• THRIVE Life Coaching: https://thrivelifecoaching.co/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drahwelcher/

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Kin Wise Conversations, where we explore what it means to integrate AI into our work and lives with care, clarity, and creativity.
Each episode we talk with everyday leaders navigating these powerful tools, balancing innovation with intention and technology with humanity.
I'm your host, Lydia Kumar. 4 00:00:24,64.318767639 --> 00:00:26,284.318767639 Today I'm truly honored to speak with Dr. 5 00:00:26,284.318767639 --> 00:00:27,514.318767639 Allison Harris Welcher. 6 00:00:27,544.318767639 --> 00:00:32,374.318767639 Allison and I worked together at Public Impact for a few years and we've stayed in touch over time. 7 00:00:32,404.318767639 --> 00:00:41,194.318767639 Allison is a strategic leader and advocate for educational equity and an executive life coach for high achieving women of color through her company Thrive Life. 8 00:00:41,194.318767639 --> 00:00:52,884.318767639 Coaching with a background spanning from classroom teacher and principal to her current role as Chief Strategy Officer at Chief Search Change, Allison's journey is deeply rooted in her belief in human potential. 9 00:00:53,64.318767639 --> 00:01:00,954.318767639 She brings a unique perspective to how we can leverage technology while staying grounded in what truly matters, authentic leadership and human connection. 10 00:01:01,224.318767639 --> 00:01:02,664.318767639 Let's dive into our conversation. 11 00:01:05,607.163184776 --> 00:01:08,427.163184776 Alison, thank you so much for being on the show today. 12 00:01:08,427.163184776 --> 00:01:13,797.163184776 I, am so excited to be able to talk with you because I've admired your leadership. 13 00:01:13,827.163184776 --> 00:01:24,827.163184776 we've worked together before and I've been watching you from a distance as you've gone From working at Public Impact to Chiefs for Change and founding your own company, thrive Life Coaching. 14 00:01:24,827.163184776 --> 00:01:35,467.163184776 And so I'm curious about what ties all, and you've been a principal and a teacher, so you've done a lot of things, and I'm curious about the threads that tie those chapters together for you Yeah. 15 00:01:35,467.163184776 --> 00:01:38,737.163184776 Well Lydia, thank you so much for having me on the show. 16 00:01:38,737.163184776 --> 00:01:40,597.16318478 I'm excited to be here on Ken Wise. 17 00:01:41,77.16318478 --> 00:01:46,837.16318478 Yeah, so, gosh, classroom teacher to now, chief Strategy Officer at Chiefs for Change. 18 00:01:46,917.16318478 --> 00:01:51,117.16318478 definitely was not on my bingo card, was not trying to clearly reach for that. 19 00:01:51,577.16318478 --> 00:02:00,517.16318478 But I truly think the piece that ties all of those experiences, together, is the belief that I have in human potential. 20 00:02:00,827.16318478 --> 00:02:08,507.16318478 the belief that I have, that we all can grow and develop, as well as the belief that we all have a highest and best use. 21 00:02:08,507.16318478 --> 00:02:09,557.16318478 We are all unique. 22 00:02:09,557.16318478 --> 00:02:16,202.16318478 Fully created to do something great, in this world, and impact others in positive ways. 23 00:02:16,202.16318478 --> 00:02:31,2.16318478 And so whether it was a high school English teacher, teaching high school seniors when I, myself was only 22 years old, and, moving beyond just reading Shakespeare with my students, but helping to tap into their, you know. 24 00:02:31,537.16318478 --> 00:02:56,987.16318478 Knowledge and skills and desires as it related to reading and writing and communicating, all the way to being a principal and coaching and developing both teachers and leaders, to the work I was able to do at Public Impact, which really was all about the development of people, and getting great educators in front of, as many students as possible to the work that I do now, at Teach for Change, where while my role is very much internally focused, I. 25 00:02:57,147.16318478 --> 00:03:14,427.16318478 still have an opportunity to lead and develop individuals, which I absolutely love in service of developing and supporting the best and boldest superintendents across the nation who are again, doing that same thing, developing others, developing their leaders, developing students. 26 00:03:14,427.16318478 --> 00:03:18,957.16318478 So I really do think that's the, the thread that ties all of the chapters together. 27 00:03:19,323.34879061 --> 00:03:25,953.34879061 You've told so many stories about how you've been able to coax out that belief in human potential throughout your career. 28 00:03:26,73.34879061 --> 00:03:34,278.34879061 What do you think instilled that belief inside of you, throughout your life that's played out Into who you've become? such a powerful question. 29 00:03:34,608.34879061 --> 00:03:38,888.34879061 I mean, it really does go back to, Things that were poured into me as a child. 30 00:03:38,928.34879061 --> 00:03:47,68.34879061 I honestly grew up, in such, a healthy, supportive environment that made me the confident person that I am. 31 00:03:47,68.34879061 --> 00:03:52,868.34879061 I was always encouraged to try something new, to keep going, see how it works. 32 00:03:52,898.34879061 --> 00:03:56,918.34879061 and that just helped me because that was poured into me. 33 00:03:57,158.34879061 --> 00:03:59,708.34879061 I honestly felt like everyone should have that. 34 00:03:59,738.34879061 --> 00:04:01,658.34879061 everyone should have their own cheerleader. 35 00:04:01,658.34879061 --> 00:04:09,78.34879061 in fact, my dad, whenever we're texting, any, cards for special occasions, it's, I'm your biggest cheerleader. 36 00:04:09,78.34879061 --> 00:04:14,58.34879061 and it's kind of an inside joke because I wasn't fact a cheerleader, for me many years. 37 00:04:14,338.34879061 --> 00:04:20,923.34879061 I was actually a competitive cheerleader, and my dad would always kind of joke with me, very much so with some of the cheerleading moves. 38 00:04:20,923.34879061 --> 00:04:24,283.34879061 but my dad truly is my biggest cheerleader. 39 00:04:24,333.34879061 --> 00:04:33,343.34879061 I obviously don't get up and perform anymore and do all the moves, but I do really much enjoy, Cheering other people on and supporting others. 40 00:04:33,398.34879061 --> 00:04:40,68.34879061 and let's be clear, it's whatever individuals see for themselves, right? I think is what's really important. 41 00:04:40,68.34879061 --> 00:04:42,318.34879061 there's no one way to do something. 42 00:04:42,318.34879061 --> 00:04:44,178.34879061 There's no one way for people to be. 43 00:04:44,448.34879061 --> 00:04:51,738.34879061 and sometimes it's about helping folks find their just right fit for them, broadly, but also in whatever season of life that they're in. 44 00:04:52,818.34879061 --> 00:04:53,898.34879061 Mm, I love that. 45 00:04:53,898.34879061 --> 00:04:56,898.34879061 And I can just imagine your dad doing cheerleader moves. 46 00:04:56,898.34879061 --> 00:05:07,225.34879061 Now, Alison a great, right? as a leader to think about how do you help people see the person that, that they can become and kind of pour into that because that's what I'm hearing. 47 00:05:07,225.34879061 --> 00:05:18,475.34879061 Your, your family always gave you this confidence to believe that you could become whoever you needed to become or that that person that existed inside of yourself, and you've been able to do that with students. 48 00:05:19,270.34879061 --> 00:05:22,270.34879061 You've been able to do that with folks you led, like me. 49 00:05:22,270.34879061 --> 00:05:41,200.34879061 When you, when we work together, and I know that you're doing it now with superintendents and in your internal work with Chiefs for Change, as you've led in all of these different areas, what are some of the lessons that have proved timeless to you and the things that you continue to hold and to remember? Yeah, yeah. 50 00:05:41,200.34879061 --> 00:05:42,670.34879061 Gosh, there are so many. 51 00:05:42,920.34879061 --> 00:05:47,500.34879061 and I had to learn very early on, you don't lose, you always learn. 52 00:05:47,500.34879061 --> 00:05:53,400.34879061 So just again, so many lessons, but some that really stick out to me, is slow down to speed up. 53 00:05:54,150.34879061 --> 00:05:57,150.34879061 I by nature, am a problem solver. 54 00:05:57,200.34879061 --> 00:05:59,300.34879061 I by nature like to. 55 00:05:59,605.34879061 --> 00:06:02,935.34879061 Take very complex situations and figure them out. 56 00:06:03,255.34879061 --> 00:06:09,355.34879061 I find that I process, fairly quickly, perhaps more quickly than others. 57 00:06:09,515.34879061 --> 00:06:13,235.34879061 and I can externally verbally process that out loud. 58 00:06:13,595.34879061 --> 00:06:23,685.34879061 And what I've learned over time is that there is a great benefit in slowing down in taking time to just pause. 59 00:06:24,715.34879061 --> 00:06:28,975.34879061 To assess To really think through what's really happening here. 60 00:06:29,155.34879061 --> 00:06:31,765.34879061 Let's consider other perspectives. 61 00:06:32,5.34879061 --> 00:06:34,355.34879061 let's, examine our own perspective. 62 00:06:34,395.34879061 --> 00:06:37,295.34879061 and so that has just really, held true and it. 63 00:06:37,315.34879061 --> 00:06:41,545.34879061 is something I have to remind and coach myself on constantly. 64 00:06:41,795.34879061 --> 00:06:45,155.34879061 I'm a very time sensitive person, so I'm very self-aware. 65 00:06:45,155.34879061 --> 00:06:48,275.34879061 I know efficiency is really important to me. 66 00:06:48,375.34879061 --> 00:06:49,965.34879061 To some extent, certainty. 67 00:06:49,965.34879061 --> 00:07:10,675.34879061 So when is something going to happen? How am I going to schedule my day? how might I expect something to, go well or fall apart? and yet again, this idea of slowing down, Has really proved, to be really meaningful in my leadership because what I have found in slowing down oftentimes, the answers are revealed to you in that space. 68 00:07:10,985.34879061 --> 00:07:22,705.34879061 whereas I could have, started putting pen to paper, trying to figure something out, and it's actually, the answers are in the space, that I create between whatever I'm trying to solve for and where I am right now. 69 00:07:23,500.34879061 --> 00:07:23,800.34879061 Hmm. 70 00:07:24,700.34879061 --> 00:07:33,850.34879061 One thing that I think a lot about when it comes to generative AI is that it allows us to move fast, really fast. 71 00:07:33,850.34879061 --> 00:07:36,790.34879061 Like in your, you have just shared, You process fast. 72 00:07:36,840.34879061 --> 00:07:41,485.34879061 you like goals, you like time bound, things that you can work toward. 73 00:07:41,535.34879061 --> 00:07:47,145.34879061 And now we have this technology that allows fast people to move faster and everyone to move quickly. 74 00:07:47,145.34879061 --> 00:07:49,5.34879061 And so I'm curious for you. 75 00:07:49,840.34879061 --> 00:08:04,210.34879061 how are you navigating that as you've witnessed this tool and how it can help you move faster? How do you balance this knowledge that you have about the importance of slowing down when we have tool that allows everybody to speed up? Yeah. 76 00:08:04,630.34879061 --> 00:08:06,610.34879061 so in many ways it's right. 77 00:08:06,610.34879061 --> 00:08:11,60.34879061 it's a jewel and I haven't quite found that it's a curse for me personally yet. 78 00:08:11,60.34879061 --> 00:08:12,795.34879061 But it has certainly been a blessing. 79 00:08:12,795.34879061 --> 00:08:15,825.34879061 And you know, I'm only about a year. 80 00:08:15,825.34879061 --> 00:08:18,470.34879061 I mean, I guess I don't know how long it's been around. 81 00:08:18,470.34879061 --> 00:08:20,240.34879061 I felt like I was a little late to the game. 82 00:08:20,240.34879061 --> 00:08:22,310.34879061 We're talking about this chat GPT thing. 83 00:08:22,310.34879061 --> 00:08:24,620.34879061 I was like, what are you talking about? This was last year. 84 00:08:24,890.34879061 --> 00:08:26,150.34879061 I'm like, I have no idea. 85 00:08:26,150.34879061 --> 00:08:27,680.34879061 I don't know where to go to get that. 86 00:08:27,680.34879061 --> 00:08:29,840.34879061 Where do I get that? Is this Amazon? Right. 87 00:08:30,505.34879061 --> 00:08:32,935.34879061 Where am I going to get the chat? GPT. 88 00:08:33,215.34879061 --> 00:08:46,165.34879061 I feel like I'm very much a newbie, but, I use it and I try it, and what I try to do in determining, you know, am I gonna use this tool or not, is really. 89 00:08:46,485.34879061 --> 00:08:54,135.34879061 Assessing the purpose of, of what is it that I need, right? And what's the, the gravity of what I'm trying to figure out. 90 00:08:54,415.34879061 --> 00:08:56,855.34879061 I am a mother, of two boys. 91 00:08:56,855.34879061 --> 00:08:59,165.34879061 so two little ones, a three and a 5-year-old. 92 00:08:59,165.34879061 --> 00:08:59,975.34879061 I'm a wife. 93 00:09:00,255.34879061 --> 00:09:01,935.34879061 I work a full-time job. 94 00:09:02,115.34879061 --> 00:09:04,35.34879061 I'm the creator of five Life coaching. 95 00:09:04,365.34879061 --> 00:09:06,75.34879061 I have a lot of things on my plate. 96 00:09:06,265.34879061 --> 00:09:10,435.34879061 and so there are oftentimes that I just need some quick answers or I need to. 97 00:09:10,640.34879061 --> 00:09:13,190.34879061 To unpack and process something really quickly. 98 00:09:13,520.34879061 --> 00:09:16,40.34879061 And I have thought about the questions that I have. 99 00:09:16,40.34879061 --> 00:09:18,560.34879061 I haven't quite got to the step of the solution. 100 00:09:18,780.34879061 --> 00:09:31,380.34879061 but again, I kind of wait the grain size of that thing to make sense of, hmm, is this something I want chatty to help me with? Or is this something I just need to, I need to breathe, I need to sit, I need to take a walk. 101 00:09:31,380.34879061 --> 00:09:32,370.34879061 I need to think it through. 102 00:09:32,620.34879061 --> 00:09:35,50.34879061 and quite honestly, Lydia, that happens for me both. 103 00:09:35,60.34879061 --> 00:09:39,60.34879061 Personally and professionally? because I, I use it in both spaces. 104 00:09:39,930.34879061 --> 00:09:40,260.34879061 Mm-hmm. 105 00:09:40,830.34879061 --> 00:09:58,380.34879061 Could you share an example about how, an effective way you've used it personally or an effective way you've used it professionally and how you knew this is like something I wanna use chat GBT for, or, You know, maybe something where you were like, oh, this is, this is not where I would want to use this kind of technology. 106 00:09:59,580.34879061 --> 00:10:01,80.34879061 Absolutely, absolutely. 107 00:10:01,80.34879061 --> 00:10:04,690.34879061 I mean, I am constantly, figuring out, as a. 108 00:10:05,100.34879061 --> 00:10:20,280.34879061 41-year-old woman, what can I do to get more energy, right? Like, what should I be eating? Like what's the right balance for me? And so I will often feed, you know, chat, GPTA lot of information say, yep, I like this food. 109 00:10:20,280.34879061 --> 00:10:21,120.34879061 I don't like this food. 110 00:10:21,120.34879061 --> 00:10:26,300.34879061 Help me make a meal plan, right? something that is gonna make sure I have energy to get through the day. 111 00:10:26,300.34879061 --> 00:10:27,260.34879061 Something that's quick. 112 00:10:27,260.34879061 --> 00:10:31,420.34879061 Personally, I don't provide it a lot of personal information, right. 113 00:10:31,470.34879061 --> 00:10:33,690.34879061 any medical conditions or anything of that nature. 114 00:10:33,690.34879061 --> 00:10:35,220.34879061 it, it's just been a helpful tool. 115 00:10:35,220.34879061 --> 00:10:37,350.34879061 decision fatigue is real. 116 00:10:37,675.34879061 --> 00:10:48,955.34879061 the amount of decisions that I have to make, for my children, for my home, for work, being able to put something as simple in as like, help me come up with a meal plan for the week, this is what I have, makes it super helpful. 117 00:10:49,205.34879061 --> 00:10:53,285.34879061 on a professional side, quite honestly, you know, coming right back. 118 00:10:53,315.34879061 --> 00:10:55,25.34879061 so I was recently on a summer break. 119 00:10:55,275.34879061 --> 00:10:56,265.34879061 the break was wonderful. 120 00:10:56,265.34879061 --> 00:10:58,665.34879061 I completely disconnected, but my brain wasn't. 121 00:10:58,685.34879061 --> 00:11:00,575.34879061 Firing on all cylinders. 122 00:11:00,945.34879061 --> 00:11:04,365.34879061 I had a ton of emails I had to get through and I was typing the emails. 123 00:11:04,365.34879061 --> 00:11:07,455.34879061 They made sense, but they probably weren't my most polished work. 124 00:11:07,675.34879061 --> 00:11:08,605.34879061 I ran them through chat. 125 00:11:08,605.34879061 --> 00:11:11,175.34879061 GPT said, Hey, help me polish this a little bit. 126 00:11:11,175.34879061 --> 00:11:16,625.34879061 Or, help me make this more curious or more direct, to really hit that right tone. 127 00:11:16,655.34879061 --> 00:11:18,185.34879061 as a person who moves quickly. 128 00:11:18,335.34879061 --> 00:11:23,465.34879061 Sometimes I can be so focused on getting the thing done versus getting it done well. 129 00:11:23,655.34879061 --> 00:11:26,345.34879061 chat GPT has been, helpful, in those ways. 130 00:11:26,981.54866596 --> 00:11:27,341.54866596 Right. 131 00:11:27,341.54866596 --> 00:11:30,611.54866596 It can help you evaluate how your message is going to land. 132 00:11:30,791.54866596 --> 00:11:38,401.54866596 I think particularly for email writing, when your purpose is just to communicate something, You're not necessarily trying to be persuasive. 133 00:11:38,401.54866596 --> 00:11:43,981.54866596 You're just like, I need to set up the logistics of this event, and I need to say it in a way that's not. 134 00:11:44,266.54866596 --> 00:11:46,486.54866596 Confusing and we're both on the same page. 135 00:11:46,486.54866596 --> 00:11:51,286.54866596 And I think exactly, found these tools so helpful for that specific task. 136 00:11:51,286.54866596 --> 00:11:51,376.54866596 Mm-hmm. 137 00:11:51,621.54866596 --> 00:11:57,16.54866596 Because you can spend a lot of time thinking about, how do I word this so that we'll both be on the same page. 138 00:11:57,51.54866596 --> 00:12:05,651.54866596 And you don't have to put as much mental energy into that, or you don't have to use your decision making power to decide what meals to cook. 139 00:12:05,651.54866596 --> 00:12:08,981.54866596 You can use that in a way that feels more. 140 00:12:09,201.54866596 --> 00:12:11,1.54866596 You know, more meaningful for you. 141 00:12:11,101.54866596 --> 00:12:11,761.54866596 Absolutely. 142 00:12:11,761.54866596 --> 00:12:12,31.54866596 Yeah. 143 00:12:12,31.54866596 --> 00:12:16,611.54866596 If I can just add to Lydia, my CEO, read a book called Smart Brevity. 144 00:12:16,891.54866596 --> 00:12:19,946.54866596 I think it's Axios, he read the book, he was super fired up. 145 00:12:19,946.54866596 --> 00:12:22,136.54866596 He was like, this is how we all need to be communicating. 146 00:12:22,376.54866596 --> 00:12:24,626.54866596 And so for me, I'm thinking, this is my boss. 147 00:12:25,146.54866596 --> 00:12:28,356.54866596 You're telling me this is how you want people to communicate with you, say less. 148 00:12:28,546.54866596 --> 00:12:34,436.54866596 anytime I'm communicating with him, I'll write the thing mind you, I'm a former English teacher, English major. 149 00:12:34,536.54866596 --> 00:12:37,566.54866596 I can get pretty lengthy with my words and get really detailed. 150 00:12:37,776.54866596 --> 00:12:41,16.54866596 I'm like, but hey, this is how he best receives information. 151 00:12:41,16.54866596 --> 00:12:45,726.54866596 And so oftentimes when I'm communicating any communication that has him included. 152 00:12:45,951.54866596 --> 00:12:50,31.54866596 I will run it through chat GPT to say, Hey, put this in the smart brevity format. 153 00:12:50,281.54866596 --> 00:12:52,681.54866596 and it just helps me to quickly get what's needed. 154 00:12:52,681.54866596 --> 00:13:00,181.54866596 And again, I'm achieving the goal of me getting the information to him and him receiving it in a way that he knows exactly what to do with it. 155 00:13:00,751.54866596 --> 00:13:01,51.54866596 Yeah. 156 00:13:01,51.54866596 --> 00:13:02,101.54866596 That makes so much sense. 157 00:13:02,341.54866596 --> 00:13:07,46.54866596 And Andrea, you're able to check those things off a list and spend your time in other ways. 158 00:13:07,331.54866596 --> 00:13:07,821.54866596 Exactly. 159 00:13:08,21.54866596 --> 00:13:08,141.54866596 I. 160 00:13:08,691.54866596 --> 00:13:14,61.54866596 Kind of flip to the, you know, that's a very positive use of these tools. 161 00:13:14,111.54866596 --> 00:13:18,551.54866596 But I'm curious at, you are a leader and you're a leader who leads leaders. 162 00:13:19,121.54866596 --> 00:13:28,431.54866596 And as a leader, you have to navigate moments where you're vulnerable, you show up fully as yourself, and then there's moments where you have to make hard calls. 163 00:13:28,851.54866596 --> 00:13:51,121.54866596 CH chat, GBT is a great tool and I think there is a risk of leaders sounding overly robotic I think sometimes people can tell when you've used AI to write something and I don't think it matters if you're planning logistics, but if you're talking about a crisis or something that's very stressful or mm-hmm complicated, it, it might not come off. 164 00:13:51,451.54866596 --> 00:13:51,871.54866596 Great. 165 00:13:51,931.54866596 --> 00:13:55,81.54866596 So how do you, how do you make those choices? When do you know, yeah. 166 00:13:55,81.54866596 --> 00:13:59,441.54866596 How do you, how do you navigate that risk? Yeah, it's sometimes really hard. 167 00:13:59,441.54866596 --> 00:14:02,531.54866596 especially a person who wants to move fast, I wanna work through the thing. 168 00:14:02,811.54866596 --> 00:14:20,481.54866596 and so, you know, it's first kind of working through like, is this a technical or an adaptive challenge, right? Is this something that we need to address, check off and, move forward? Or is this something that really needs to, You know, it's not one answer, right? There's no simple way to work through this. 169 00:14:20,511.54866596 --> 00:14:22,851.54866596 and you know, I'll start by actually sharing. 170 00:14:23,181.54866596 --> 00:14:31,521.54866596 I have had, cases, I don't think it's a curse per se, but I've had cases where I've used chat GPT, and I've gotten feedback to help me with. 171 00:14:31,541.54866596 --> 00:14:37,931.54866596 You know, leading a meeting or delivering some information and folks have said like, Hey, that came off really robotic. 172 00:14:38,201.54866596 --> 00:14:44,21.54866596 And that was both right? The words in which I chose to use from chat GPT, but also my affect as well. 173 00:14:44,271.54866596 --> 00:14:47,781.54866596 and so I say that to say, you know, even when using the tool. 174 00:14:47,996.54866596 --> 00:14:51,986.54866596 You still have to show up as human, right? you still have to show up as yourself. 175 00:14:52,216.54866596 --> 00:15:14,416.54866596 but I think in making the choice when to even, you know, invoke the use of chat GPT, I think it really has to come down to what is it that you're seeking to address? What is it that you're seeking to discover, through that conversation, if you're using it for a conversation or information, and recognizing that it's a tool. 176 00:15:15,96.54866596 --> 00:15:16,386.54866596 It's meant to support. 177 00:15:16,386.54866596 --> 00:15:18,786.54866596 It's not meant to be the end all, be all. 178 00:15:18,976.54866596 --> 00:15:29,616.54866596 and so you have to get really centered and clear with yourself, and remember the human element and the authenticity of every single moment, that you're engaging with people. 179 00:15:29,766.54866596 --> 00:15:35,556.54866596 Because here's the thing, people are not widgets, right? Everyone is not going to respond to you. 180 00:15:35,716.54866596 --> 00:15:43,256.54866596 In the same way and what you choose to say, it's better to say really what's in your heart, because that's what you can stand by. 181 00:15:43,306.54866596 --> 00:15:47,536.54866596 I can't really stand by per se and defend words of chat GPT. 182 00:15:47,636.54866596 --> 00:15:47,906.54866596 Right. 183 00:15:47,966.54866596 --> 00:15:51,946.54866596 But I can stand by what's in my heart and what I feel, I don't have the answer. 184 00:15:52,96.54866596 --> 00:15:52,516.54866596 Right. 185 00:15:52,676.54866596 --> 00:15:56,446.54866595 which for me as a leader, can be really challenging right. 186 00:15:56,496.54866595 --> 00:15:58,536.54866595 to just say, I don't know. 187 00:15:58,766.54866595 --> 00:15:59,96.54866596 right. 188 00:15:59,96.54866596 --> 00:15:59,456.54866595 And chat. 189 00:15:59,456.54866595 --> 00:16:07,616.54866596 GPT isn't gonna say that chat, GPT is always gonna give an answer, but part of being a leader is being open and vulnerable. 190 00:16:07,616.54866596 --> 00:16:11,396.54866596 And if we go back to some of my comments earlier, highest and best use. 191 00:16:11,686.54866596 --> 00:16:19,496.54866595 Right, knowing what your strengths are, knowing where you are uniquely positioned, to lead and knowledge that you have. 192 00:16:19,796.54866595 --> 00:16:27,116.54866595 Just because an individual doesn't know a certain thing or they're not an expert in another thing, doesn't mean they're not a great leader. 193 00:16:27,146.54866595 --> 00:16:28,856.54866595 It just simply means they don't know that thing. 194 00:16:29,196.54866595 --> 00:16:29,586.54866595 Right. 195 00:16:29,616.54866595 --> 00:16:42,246.548666 and so being able to be really authentic with oneself, and self-aware and being able to reveal that to others is hugely important when making a decision around how do you chat GPT, and when. 196 00:16:43,401.548666 --> 00:17:00,851.548666 That resonates so strongly with me, Allison, because I could see especially young leaders who are stepping into a leadership position for the first time, or maybe you're wrestling with imposter syndrome and you have this tool that sounds so confident when you have a question, can make everything sound so good on paper. 197 00:17:01,121.548666 --> 00:17:04,571.548666 And you can read that and show up and have an answer. 198 00:17:04,621.548666 --> 00:17:15,811.548666 But you can risk being seen as robotic or not having authenticity or even saying something that's not right because Chad GBT says things very confidently, but it's not always right. 199 00:17:15,811.548666 --> 00:17:18,531.548666 And so I think we have to resist this temptation to. 200 00:17:20,271.548666 --> 00:17:28,476.548666 To, what am I trying to say? Like, sometimes I think hard things show up that you don't wanna deal with, or you don't wanna figure out how to say yourself and mm-hmm. 201 00:17:28,761.548666 --> 00:17:31,811.548666 You can put that into an AI tool and get an answer, Mm-hmm. 202 00:17:32,1.548666 --> 00:17:37,311.548666 might be a helpful place for you to, you know, challenge your own thinking, but you have to still, yeah. 203 00:17:37,761.548666 --> 00:17:39,951.548666 Be present with the discomfort. 204 00:17:39,951.548666 --> 00:17:40,41.548666 Mm-hmm. 205 00:17:40,281.548666 --> 00:17:42,681.548666 you can't delegate your discomfort to Chad GBT. 206 00:17:42,776.548666 --> 00:17:43,996.548666 Oh, so good. 207 00:17:44,541.548666 --> 00:17:44,991.548666 So good. 208 00:17:44,991.548666 --> 00:17:45,321.548666 Yes. 209 00:17:45,411.548666 --> 00:17:47,541.548666 You cannot delegate your discomfort. 210 00:17:47,931.548666 --> 00:17:48,651.548666 I love that. 211 00:17:49,461.548666 --> 00:17:49,881.548666 Yeah. 212 00:17:50,31.548666 --> 00:17:53,901.548666 And so I, it, that really feels present for you and what you're sharing. 213 00:17:54,561.548666 --> 00:17:54,771.548666 Yeah. 214 00:17:54,771.548666 --> 00:18:04,571.548666 I think chat, GBT can make you look really good, but what does it look like to show up, not be perfect in a high visibility space and, and make that choice intentionally? Yeah. 215 00:18:04,991.548666 --> 00:18:13,446.548666 You know, I really think it looks like, you know, as I mentioned before, being able to acknowledge where you don't have the answers, right. 216 00:18:13,496.548666 --> 00:18:18,26.548666 where, you know, you name, I'm working through this, I'm trying to figure it out. 217 00:18:18,246.548666 --> 00:18:26,276.548666 it also comes honestly sometimes with the unpolished, solution, right? It, it's coming with, this is as far as I got. 218 00:18:26,291.548666 --> 00:18:28,781.548666 Right, and thinking about this, this is really hard. 219 00:18:29,41.548666 --> 00:18:38,821.548666 it means showing up and allowing your emotions to show, right? it means showing up and plans not going the way that you had intended. 220 00:18:39,91.548666 --> 00:18:42,361.548666 Quite honestly, I had a presentation with my team today. 221 00:18:42,661.548666 --> 00:18:50,491.548666 Created, you know, beautiful PowerPoint, use chatty a little bit for the activities, and they wanted to have more discussion. 222 00:18:50,491.548666 --> 00:18:52,891.548666 And you know what? I could not have been more happy. 223 00:18:52,896.548666 --> 00:18:55,36.548666 I think I was grinning so much. 224 00:18:55,36.548666 --> 00:19:07,486.548666 They were like, why is she so happy talking about development and finance right now? And it was because I had created like a great plan, right? Using chat GBT and these wonderful like, Hey, I need this activity for five minutes. 225 00:19:07,486.548666 --> 00:19:08,506.548666 I need this for 10 minutes. 226 00:19:08,776.548666 --> 00:19:10,516.548666 And they're like, no, we just wanna talk. 227 00:19:10,831.548666 --> 00:19:12,121.548666 I'm like, that is true. 228 00:19:12,121.548666 --> 00:19:13,21.548666 Deep engagement. 229 00:19:13,231.548666 --> 00:19:14,251.548666 Let's just talk. 230 00:19:14,251.548666 --> 00:19:16,781.548666 Right? I said, we don't need the rest of you have the PowerPoint. 231 00:19:16,781.548666 --> 00:19:20,501.548666 If you wanna reference it, you are welcome to go back to it, but let's just talk. 232 00:19:20,811.548666 --> 00:19:24,171.548666 and so to me that is what, you know, showing up. 233 00:19:24,391.548666 --> 00:19:34,981.548666 in some ways, with the rough edges, that even your best laid plan, you have to be willing to release that, no matter what you put into it, just being present and being in the moment. 234 00:19:35,826.548666 --> 00:19:38,256.548666 There's so much wisdom there, Allison And mm-hmm. 235 00:19:38,856.548666 --> 00:19:40,626.548666 I wanna move us to your Yeah. 236 00:19:40,656.548666 --> 00:19:46,626.548666 Coaching business and thrive where you're working with these high achieving women who are seeking support. 237 00:19:46,696.548666 --> 00:19:52,546.548666 so I wanna give you a chance to kind of talk a little bit about Thrive as we move in here, so you can share, whatever you want to. 238 00:19:52,596.548666 --> 00:19:57,236.548666 But then I wanna hear about how you help women resist perfectionism while driving results. 239 00:19:57,586.548666 --> 00:20:04,416.548666 how do you develop That knowledge inside of you to know this plan may have looked perfect on paper, but it's not what's needed in the moment. 240 00:20:04,416.548666 --> 00:20:13,36.548666 And being willing to have that humility, that self-awareness, that ability to let go of your perfect plan, and step into the messiness of what's needed in the moment. 241 00:20:13,651.548666 --> 00:20:15,61.548666 Yeah, absolutely. 242 00:20:15,61.548666 --> 00:20:21,491.548666 thrive Life Coaching was, developed at a time, when I felt like I needed something like this. 243 00:20:21,491.548666 --> 00:20:26,451.548666 specifically Thrive Life Coaching seeks to support, black and brown women. 244 00:20:26,626.548666 --> 00:20:29,356.548666 navigating womanhood, motherhood, and career. 245 00:20:29,606.548666 --> 00:20:36,16.548666 I found myself in a very unique position after I had my, first son, in 2020. 246 00:20:36,16.548666 --> 00:20:39,316.548666 just two months before the pandemic and really trying to. 247 00:20:39,446.548666 --> 00:20:41,6.548666 Figure it all out. 248 00:20:41,56.548666 --> 00:20:46,416.548666 I had been a high achieving professional, for, the duration of my career. 249 00:20:46,606.548666 --> 00:20:49,541.548666 then throw in a newborn to throw in a pandemic. 250 00:20:50,281.548666 --> 00:20:58,601.548666 and I think the moment that I was like, whoa, I need something was while at Public Impact, nursing my son. 251 00:20:58,671.548666 --> 00:21:01,251.548666 While still like engaging in a meeting. 252 00:21:01,541.548666 --> 00:21:05,801.548666 and in that moment it just all got to be a bit too much. 253 00:21:06,71.548666 --> 00:21:14,501.548666 And I think what I had observed, through, you know, other women is this kind of idea of you can have it all. 254 00:21:14,841.548666 --> 00:21:15,261.548666 Right. 255 00:21:15,501.548666 --> 00:21:19,701.548666 You can be the great mom, you can have the great career, you can do all the things. 256 00:21:19,701.548666 --> 00:21:21,111.548666 And I was like, whoa. 257 00:21:21,581.548666 --> 00:21:26,201.548666 I'm not really sure that that is what I want or if I can do that. 258 00:21:26,231.548666 --> 00:21:39,641.548666 and I know that's one particular narrative, but what I would also add to that is what I didn't feel like I heard being talked about enough is how do you just navigate that? and so I'm a huge advocate for therapy and I did. 259 00:21:39,846.548666 --> 00:21:44,766.548666 You know, have a therapist during that time and there was something different that I needed. 260 00:21:44,766.548666 --> 00:21:52,596.548666 I needed to really have a thought partner and someone to help me think through what are the various ways that this could look. 261 00:21:52,916.548666 --> 00:21:57,476.548666 and anyone who is a mother knows that there are different seasons of motherhood. 262 00:21:57,866.548666 --> 00:22:01,46.548666 So how this looks, it looks very differently. 263 00:22:01,281.548666 --> 00:22:06,171.548666 Depending if your child is a newborn, if they're an infant, when they're a toddler, when they're school age. 264 00:22:06,471.548666 --> 00:22:09,791.548666 And so that's what really prompted me to develop, thrive Life Coaching. 265 00:22:09,791.548666 --> 00:22:19,721.548666 So when thinking about, how I go about coaching, high achieving women to really resist this idea of perfectionism, I really think about, helping them think through. 266 00:22:20,511.548666 --> 00:22:21,981.548666 Thrive as a framework. 267 00:22:21,981.548666 --> 00:22:39,801.548666 So t being transformation, right? What is it that you really see for yourself, right? What is the vision that you have for yourself? H being healthy habits, what are the healthy habits for you? For some people that is eating really healthy, for others, it is really making sure that they're running every day. 268 00:22:39,801.548666 --> 00:22:44,151.548666 But what, what do those healthy habits look like for you? R is rest. 269 00:22:44,451.548666 --> 00:22:47,391.548666 This idea that rest is not something you have to earn. 270 00:22:47,751.548666 --> 00:22:49,941.548666 Rest is something that your body needs. 271 00:22:49,941.548666 --> 00:22:52,791.548666 Rest is a rejuvenating, you know, key. 272 00:22:53,131.548666 --> 00:22:56,771.548666 really thinking about, you identifying your core values. 273 00:22:56,891.548666 --> 00:23:15,81.548666 So what matters most to you? A lot of folks will tell you what else matters to them, but you've gotta get really clear what matters to you, in this season, because core values, I believe, do change, depending on the season V is visualizing victory, right? So really seeing yourself, achieve whatever it is, and the life. 274 00:23:15,86.548666 --> 00:23:16,946.548666 That you wanna have and e is enjoy. 275 00:23:17,186.548666 --> 00:23:18,896.548666 You gotta have some fun along the way. 276 00:23:18,896.548666 --> 00:23:28,446.548666 And so, I really try to help break down that perfectionism by really unpacking it and saying, there's a lot of dynamics, right? There's a lot of pieces to this. 277 00:23:28,566.548666 --> 00:23:31,816.548666 And depending on where you are in life, it's gonna look different. 278 00:23:31,816.548666 --> 00:23:42,516.548666 So let's just really assess, and take a, take a beat, right? As I say, slow down the speed up, and really figure out what, what would make most sense for you in this moment to thrive and not just survive. 279 00:23:43,856.548666 --> 00:23:54,806.548666 I love that, Allison, and it makes me think about how when you move to a different stage of life, when you go from not being a mother to being a mother, the environment you're in changes. 280 00:23:54,806.548666 --> 00:24:03,451.548666 So one day you were able to do one set of things and now you're able to do some of those things because you have a whole Huge other responsibility on your plate. 281 00:24:03,651.548666 --> 00:24:12,521.548666 So when I think about resisting perfectionism or just being able to show up as a human, part of that is like Knowing what you said, like you can't do it all. 282 00:24:12,521.548666 --> 00:24:13,781.548666 part of it is you can't do it all. 283 00:24:13,781.548666 --> 00:24:15,561.548666 So you have to be really clear with yourself. 284 00:24:15,611.548666 --> 00:24:22,661.548666 what can you do, what can you do and what can you do? And I'll add not just what can you do, 'cause I'm sure you can do it. 285 00:24:22,751.548666 --> 00:24:25,961.548666 What do you wanna do? And what matters most to do right now. 286 00:24:26,241.548666 --> 00:24:40,271.548666 and that is really an internal for a lot of folks in internal conflicts like, yeah, I can do this, but do I wanna do that? And what's more important right now? there have been things, I've gotten so good at saying no, lately. 287 00:24:40,711.548666 --> 00:25:00,611.548666 and because I've gotten really clear around what matters most to me right now, I read somewhere and I hate that I'm not able to attribute it, but you know, saying no allows you to basically remove a thousand decisions off of your plate because saying one yes oftentimes leads you to doing a whole host of things. 288 00:25:01,811.548666 --> 00:25:02,981.548666 Absolutely. 289 00:25:03,71.548666 --> 00:25:04,1.548666 That's so smart. 290 00:25:04,611.548666 --> 00:25:15,886.548666 I think to loop us back to AI is with this technology, I think it's easy to tell yourself you can do so much more than you've ever done before, but the internal work takes the same amount of time. 291 00:25:16,456.548666 --> 00:25:17,416.548666 Oh, yes. 292 00:25:17,416.548666 --> 00:25:18,166.548666 Oh my goodness. 293 00:25:18,166.548666 --> 00:25:18,466.548666 Yeah. 294 00:25:18,466.548666 --> 00:25:23,176.548666 I mean, the internal work, is that mental gymnastics, right? it is just. 295 00:25:23,176.548666 --> 00:25:26,681.548666 So it can, it can really leave you in a whirlwind. 296 00:25:26,951.548666 --> 00:25:33,321.548666 And so it's just so important just to, to be able to make sense of your own thoughts, and chat. 297 00:25:33,321.548666 --> 00:25:48,941.548666 GBTI think really can like cloud that a little bit, right? You, you just kind of need to sit with yourself as a human and be able to, be with oneself, right? And still have that ability to self-reflect on your own, to truly know what you think to truly just like write. 298 00:25:49,111.548666 --> 00:25:50,281.548666 Pen to paper. 299 00:25:50,501.548666 --> 00:26:00,281.548666 there's a saying I write, because it helps me to know what I'm thinking, and really engage in that and, and in this world and age of technology that we have, right? We can constantly be. 300 00:26:00,686.548666 --> 00:26:05,36.548666 You know, putting things down that allows other people to get feedback on it. 301 00:26:05,86.548666 --> 00:26:06,586.548666 You just need to sit with it yourself. 302 00:26:07,906.548666 --> 00:26:08,686.548666 I love that. 303 00:26:08,716.548666 --> 00:26:11,56.548666 it makes me think of two things I've been reflecting on personally. 304 00:26:11,56.548666 --> 00:26:12,406.548666 One is the writing piece. 305 00:26:12,406.548666 --> 00:26:25,286.548666 I use chat, GPT and Gemini and all these tools all the time, For a while I was feeling like the written word didn't have as much value because it was so easy to generate and I got a little bit lazy. 306 00:26:25,536.548666 --> 00:26:35,216.548666 so recently I have been picking up pen to paper because I think writing to know what I think and why I show up helps me articulate my thoughts more clearly. 307 00:26:35,216.548666 --> 00:26:37,406.548666 It helps me to show up in a more centered and. 308 00:26:37,996.548666 --> 00:26:44,266.548666 authentic way, but it is so easy to disregard that when you can write a nice vision. 309 00:26:44,446.548666 --> 00:26:48,851.548666 I mean, you could write a vision statement, you could get all these things on paper, but it doesn't. 310 00:26:49,1.548666 --> 00:26:55,931.548666 the time it takes to internalize when you're writing and rewriting and wrestling I think is really, really important. 311 00:26:56,471.548666 --> 00:27:03,171.548666 Yeah, for sure, The other thing you're not as attached to your ideas when chat GBT writes them. 312 00:27:03,171.548666 --> 00:27:07,431.548666 So we're more likely to just disregard things that are generated for us. 313 00:27:07,431.548666 --> 00:27:20,231.548666 And so you might come up with alongside Chat, GBT or a tool, you know, a hundred great ideas a day, but because you came up with a hundred great ideas, you didn't do anything with any of them because You're just, you know, moving. 314 00:27:20,321.548666 --> 00:27:22,901.548666 You're just like, oh, I can, you know, come up with another idea. 315 00:27:22,901.548666 --> 00:27:33,451.548666 So just that awareness too, when it's easy to come up with ideas, when it's easy to write things down, it can reduce the value and that reduced value can make it more difficult To make real progress. 316 00:27:33,961.548666 --> 00:27:35,11.548666 Yeah, absolutely. 317 00:27:35,11.548666 --> 00:27:38,781.548666 And having a commitment to whatever it is that, you know, it's pumping out. 318 00:27:38,781.548666 --> 00:27:41,571.548666 it's this conversation with yourself like it's not removed. 319 00:27:41,571.548666 --> 00:27:56,586.548666 It's like, do I agree with that, is that a aligned to who I am? it looks good, but is that something I really wanna say, is that really how I wanna move, based on this advice and these words that CH GPT is giving me? Absolutely. 320 00:27:56,666.548666 --> 00:27:59,166.548666 it's really important to have that internal piece. 321 00:27:59,166.548666 --> 00:28:07,226.548666 And so it's cool that what you're doing with Thrive Coaching gives people the opportunity to think about who they wanna be as a leader and how you take care of yourself. 322 00:28:07,466.548666 --> 00:28:16,736.548666 I recently read that busyness calls us cognitive decline, so just being really busy isn't necessarily who you want to be either, right. 323 00:28:18,626.548666 --> 00:28:22,46.548666 I am gonna move us to thinking about the future. 324 00:28:22,106.548666 --> 00:28:27,476.548666 And so I know you said you've been using chat GBT and AI for about a year now. 325 00:28:27,526.548666 --> 00:28:30,51.548666 So when you think about. 326 00:28:31,471.548666 --> 00:28:36,241.548666 The future, like five years ahead from now based on what you see right now. 327 00:28:36,256.548666 --> 00:28:49,156.548666 how do you think AI leaders can use AI while keeping humanity at the center? What are the things that we should consider because we can predict this technology will become even more advanced and central to how we work. 328 00:28:49,846.548666 --> 00:28:57,386.548666 I think my prediction, you know, I haven't lived a long time, but I tend to see, you know, things kind of swing right. 329 00:28:57,386.548666 --> 00:29:13,336.548666 The pendulum swings and my hope is that five years from now, the best and strongest leaders will be even more self-aware and reflective, and really have a clear sense of when and how to best use. 330 00:29:13,636.548666 --> 00:29:16,586.548666 AI and won't be using it, all the time. 331 00:29:16,586.548666 --> 00:29:19,46.548666 You know, one might imagine five years from now. 332 00:29:19,721.548666 --> 00:29:22,421.548666 AI might be integrated into everything we do. 333 00:29:22,481.548666 --> 00:29:42,41.548666 Um, and I'm gonna, again, totally, everyone knows my age now, but age myself, right? Like there was a time like I was on dial up internet and so like, you know, like you weren't getting on the internet just anytime, right? It was like, do I really need to get it? 'cause you're gonna hear that like noise and it's gonna dial up now, you know, internet is like. 334 00:29:42,896.548666 --> 00:29:49,676.548666 You've gotta be super intentional about not getting on the internet right, via your phone or your, your laptop or whatever. 335 00:29:49,926.548666 --> 00:29:55,866.548666 and so one could assume that AI is gonna be that way, that it's just going to be ever present. 336 00:29:56,256.548666 --> 00:30:05,766.548666 But my hope and prediction is that five years ahead, the strongest AI informed leaders are actually going to be individuals who say. 337 00:30:06,306.548666 --> 00:30:10,266.548666 No, I don't need AI for that, and here's why. 338 00:30:10,556.548666 --> 00:30:11,396.548666 so that's my hope. 339 00:30:12,386.548666 --> 00:30:13,16.548666 I love that. 340 00:30:13,256.548666 --> 00:30:22,106.548666 Okay, so thinking about moving, I want to invite you to give our leaders, our listeners a call to action. 341 00:30:22,286.548666 --> 00:30:29,846.548666 So what's a practical step folks can take tomorrow to lead more authentically? a practical step to lead more authentically. 342 00:30:30,716.548666 --> 00:30:43,616.548666 I'm going to say, get out of your head, get into your heart, and the strategy I suggest for ones to do that is to step away from your computer. 343 00:30:44,6.548666 --> 00:30:49,106.548666 Get outside, get some fresh air, get some sunshine. 344 00:30:49,406.548666 --> 00:30:53,36.548666 it is something that I try to do every single day. 345 00:30:53,256.548666 --> 00:31:05,61.548666 so any listener who is, tasked with making decisions, after decision, after decision who? Is working to solve really, really hard problems. 346 00:31:05,341.548666 --> 00:31:09,811.548666 I encourage you to step away, get out of your head, get out of your seats. 347 00:31:09,811.548666 --> 00:31:12,781.548666 Get from in front of the screen, get outside. 348 00:31:12,831.548666 --> 00:31:14,781.548666 take a walk, get some fresh air. 349 00:31:14,781.548666 --> 00:31:15,621.548666 Get some sunshine. 350 00:31:16,401.548666 --> 00:31:17,991.548666 I love that making space. 351 00:31:17,991.548666 --> 00:31:27,471.548666 And yes, and who knows what will happen when your brain has time to kind of unct and unfurl and yes, things can bump into each other when there's, when there's space. 352 00:31:28,371.548666 --> 00:31:28,701.548666 Yeah. 353 00:31:30,356.548666 --> 00:31:31,376.548666 Okay, my close. 354 00:31:31,376.548666 --> 00:31:35,541.548666 I love to close on this question, because I think AI. 355 00:31:36,931.548666 --> 00:31:40,951.548666 is a big topic that people can be excited about or concerned about. 356 00:31:40,951.548666 --> 00:31:42,931.548666 And so I wanna close with this. 357 00:31:42,981.548666 --> 00:31:52,11.548666 What question or idea about AI is keeping you up at night or driving your curiosity or making you feel hopeful? Yeah, absolutely. 358 00:31:52,521.548666 --> 00:31:55,161.548666 So I am an educator through and through. 359 00:31:55,211.548666 --> 00:32:04,786.548666 while I have not been in a classroom for many, many years, and not been a principal now for almost 10 years, I often think about How children learn. 360 00:32:05,6.548666 --> 00:32:16,326.548666 and now more, you know, recently how my own children are learning, and daycare, but as they begin to enter into the K 12 system. 361 00:32:16,686.548666 --> 00:32:23,706.548666 And so what keeps me up at night, and I'm so curious about is, gosh, so many things. 362 00:32:23,736.548666 --> 00:32:26,376.548666 but how are we. 363 00:32:26,796.548666 --> 00:32:43,446.548666 Preparing our teachers and principals and educators to teach children who are going to have this at their fingertips and do the standards that we have are, are they, are they best suited for. 364 00:32:44,16.548666 --> 00:32:46,596.548666 What we are hoping to develop our children for. 365 00:32:46,926.548666 --> 00:32:56,566.548666 And even as I asked that question, I quite honestly feel like I'm giving so much power to school systems, and so much power to those who create the standards. 366 00:32:56,566.548666 --> 00:33:09,286.548666 And so I put the question back on myself, right? How do I help orient my children to ai, right? And what it is and how it can be a useful tool. 367 00:33:09,586.548666 --> 00:33:11,596.548666 Perhaps we should not use AI for. 368 00:33:11,846.548666 --> 00:33:13,526.548666 those are the things I'm thinking about. 369 00:33:13,526.548666 --> 00:33:15,236.548666 my children are three and five. 370 00:33:15,536.548666 --> 00:33:20,276.548666 I didn't really know what the internet was until I was maybe like 13. 371 00:33:20,596.548666 --> 00:33:25,756.548666 and so just like how do we make it make sense for little minds? Right. 372 00:33:25,786.548666 --> 00:33:41,176.548666 and what is it, how should they be learning about this in an age appropriate way that's going to be developmentally, appropriate, but build and scaffold for them as they grow, through their educational journey? I love that. 373 00:33:41,176.548666 --> 00:33:45,491.548666 I think about the, almost the soft skills that we need, the grit to. 374 00:33:46,271.548666 --> 00:33:48,221.548666 Make the choice to do the hard thing. 375 00:33:48,221.548666 --> 00:33:48,941.548666 Learning is hard. 376 00:33:48,941.548666 --> 00:33:50,81.548666 Learning is uncomfortable. 377 00:33:50,81.548666 --> 00:33:50,141.548666 Yeah. 378 00:33:50,141.548666 --> 00:33:58,551.548666 And so when you have this tool that can produce the thing without the learning, what does that mean? And how do we, this is a tool that I think can be used to help your thinking. 379 00:33:58,551.548666 --> 00:34:02,881.548666 there's studies that show, if you use it in some ways, you can think critically, you can grow. 380 00:34:02,881.548666 --> 00:34:07,961.548666 And if you use it in these other ways, you're really just putting your brain on a shelf and not gonna learn what you need to learn. 381 00:34:07,961.548666 --> 00:34:11,331.548666 So those are big questions and I really appreciate you surfacing those. 382 00:34:11,331.548666 --> 00:34:13,161.548666 Allison, you are welcome. 383 00:34:13,266.548666 --> 00:34:13,296.548666 Okay. 384 00:34:14,616.548666 --> 00:34:16,866.548666 Well that is, that's my last question. 385 00:34:16,866.548666 --> 00:34:25,116.548666 Is there any last thought that you wanna leave on or anything you're, you're dying to say or share? I've just really enjoyed this conversation. 386 00:34:25,146.548666 --> 00:34:29,526.548666 I appreciate you, just creating space for me to bring all parts of me. 387 00:34:29,716.548666 --> 00:34:33,106.548666 and so even in how you have, framed this conversation, Lydia. 388 00:34:33,226.548666 --> 00:34:42,746.548666 I just truly appreciate, you being, allowing me to bring my authentic self and always as a mother, as a career woman, with my hopes and fears and rough edges. 389 00:34:42,746.548666 --> 00:34:43,376.548666 So thank you. 390 00:34:47,789.2929404 --> 00:34:50,189.2929404 That was such an insightful conversation with Dr. 391 00:34:50,189.2929404 --> 00:34:50,759.2929404 Allison Harris. 392 00:34:50,809.2929404 --> 00:34:56,89.2929404 A huge thank you to her for sharing her journey and her thoughtful approach to leadership in the age of ai. 393 00:34:56,479.2929404 --> 00:35:16,719.2929404 I was particularly struck by her wisdom on slowing down to speed up, the crucial balance between efficiency and authenticity when using AI, and her hopeful vision for future, where leaders leverage technology with greater self-awareness and intention, Join me next time on Ken Weiss, conversations for a Chat with Jim Cobb, founder and CEO of the Bloodhound Branding Group. 394 00:35:16,959.2929404 --> 00:35:24,749.2929404 Jim is a proven brand and marketing leader with over 40 years of experience Applying neuroscience to brand meaning and customer emotional engagement. 395 00:35:24,929.2929404 --> 00:35:29,789.2929404 You won't wanna miss his insight on how AI is reshaping brand strategy and consumer experience. 396 00:35:30,209.2929404 --> 00:35:34,289.2929404 To dive deeper into today's topics with Allison, I put everything for you in one place. 397 00:35:34,349.2929404 --> 00:35:38,369.2929404 Just head over to the resource page for this episode at kin wise.org/podcast. 398 00:35:38,609.2929404 --> 00:35:54,89.2929404 There you'll find the full transcript more about Allison's work with Chiefs for Change and Thrive Life coaching, and a list of prompts and resources inspired by our conversation If Allison's insights have you thinking about how to build a real AI strategy for your own work, I invite you to learn more about the Kin Wise Pilot program. 399 00:35:54,269.2929404 --> 00:36:01,669.2929404 We partner with organizations to create practical, human-centered professional development and policies that empower your team to use these tools with confidence and care. 400 00:36:01,879.2929404 --> 00:36:04,219.2929404 You can learn more at kin wise.org/pilot. 401 00:36:08,140.7171043 --> 00:36:12,520.7171043 I hope this discussion has encouraged you wherever you are on your own AI path. 402 00:36:13,0.7171043 --> 00:36:17,260.7171043 If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe and consider leaving a review. 403 00:36:17,260.7171043 --> 00:36:20,740.7171043 It truly helps other thoughtful listeners find us. 404 00:36:20,830.7171043 --> 00:36:28,905.7171043 You can learn more about how to approach AI with intention, explore resources, and join the Kin Wise collective by visiting kin wise.org. 405 00:36:29,140.7171043 --> 00:36:36,850.7171043 And if you or someone you know is doing interesting work at the intersection of AI and humanity and has a story to share, we'd love to hear from you. 406 00:36:37,840.7171043 --> 00:36:42,40.7171043 Until next time, stay curious, stay grounded, and stay kin wise.