Snoop Dogg At The Olympics While An Officer Is Charged With Murder

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Stop touching the mic, Gary. Stop it. Just stop it. Stop touching the microphone. It makes noises.
It's all right. All right, we got our coffee. Dude, I go into our dining room
the other day after one of these big, giant rainstorms. Okay.
And, well, actually, I hear Lauren go, that's not good.
And I'm in the kitchen. I look into the dining room and hear water.

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Somehow, water got into our wall from this rainstorm.
And I had probably like a foot long by like six inch wide piece of paint,
all paint that was bubbled out and filled with water.
Dude, how does that even happen? Well, I think it's flashing because where it's

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at is a bump out window. Okay. And there's flashing.
There's like a roof over top of it and there's flashing. So I think I need to
go up there and reclock it.
Oh, I got behind it. And the storm, the storm was blowing. Like,
it was just crazy. The way it was blowing the rain.
It happens. Always something, you know. It's always something.
Always something. Episode 16 is the something right now.

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Episode 16, Gary. Low expectations.
Music.
That's great, dude. that means you now you have to
like when you open up the thing you got to push see more and there's
like more you know it's not

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just like five it's not just five 16 16
my s's sound funny in my ears well they sound funny in your ears they're real
they're real aggressive i think in our ears but But thanks to our AI and my great editing skills,

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I don't think they're as bad when people are listening to it.
But if it is, if it's bad, if the S's are crushing your eardrums,
people, let us know and we can try to correct that problem.
I think it gets calmed down a little bit during the editing process.
Dude, when you texted me this morning and you're like, Hey, if you see someone
in my mailbox, it's okay. Like something like that.

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And I was like, how is someone in your mailbox? Like people aren't that small.
Like you don't have a giant mailbox and I didn't understand it.
So then you said, don't shoot.
Somebody's going to be putting something in my mailbox. Just don't shoot them.
Like I'm the guy that's going to shoot somebody because they're in your mailbox.
Like I can't shoot somebody just because they're in their, in your mailbox. Yeah.
I don't know. It's a federal crime. Well, I'm sure that would go well.

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No, I... And who wants to shoot somebody just because they went in a mailbox?
I just wanted you to be aware.
And I figured in my short message that you would understand what I'm saying,
just that someone was going to be at my house around the same time you were
arriving and that person was going to be retrieving something out of my mailbox
that I left for that person.

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And it sounds like very suspicious.
It sounds like I'm showing some sort of like drug dealer. Yeah.
Why wouldn't like your friend just, why wouldn't you just give it to them? It's an acquaintance.
It's an acquaintance. They needed an item that I had. And you didn't want to
like interact with them.
Well, I knew you were going to be here. So I didn't know if we would be recording
when they got here. So I said, listen, I'm just going to put this.

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It was a key. They needed a key for something. I was like, I'm just going to
put the key in my mailbox and envelope for you.
Just grab it whenever you get here. Cause I didn't know.
I thought we might be in the middle of recording. Then they get here knocking
on the door, you know, that sort of thing. I see.
So, you know, I, I don't, nobody, literally nobody cares about this.
I just wanted you to know if you arrived at our house, not to confront someone

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at my mailbox and get into something.
Like, is that what you think I am? Like a confronter of people?
I don't know. I mean, anything can happen.
Anything can happen. I mean, if I showed up if someone
was in your mailbox i'd be like yo what's up man and and
then i i'd i'd be like
i guess i probably wouldn't confront oh it depends

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yeah it depends like but you would know what it looks like yeah be someone suspicious
they have the eyes like you know like uh-oh i got caught doing something bad
versus someone doing like a normal thing that's right if i see someone taking
a package out of your mailbox and trying to leave the car wave at you right right they're not going
to run away or whatever i guess if someone runs obviously you got to chase them

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down you know right chase them down i would think that your judgment of the
situation i just didn't want you to be like overly suspicious and confront the
person like yo man what are you doing like you know you know this guy that lives
here yeah because i do i'm willing to kill.
Dude that's so wild oh oh man man there's so much going on right now,

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Dude, it's Olympic season, right? It's Olympic season. It's election season.
It's election season and it's getting crazy. Hey, did you see the body cam,
the newly released body cam from the attempted Trump assassination?
I don't think so. They just released, they just dumped yesterday or Thursday
night or something like that.
They just dumped a whole bunch of body cam video from. Tell me about it.

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So what's interesting is, you know how there was a report from the local police
saying that one of their officers tried to get up on the roof. Yeah.
They have body cam proving that they have, they were trying to figure out how
to get up on this roof because people are yelling, there's a guy on the roof.
There's a guy on the roof.
So one officer boosts a second officer up on the roof. Yeah.
Now the body cam, you know, obviously is like chest level.

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Right. So all you see, you see him start to get up on the roof and you can just
see the roof laid out in front of him on his body cam. Okay. You can't see bad guy.
All of a sudden officer just drops off the roof down, back down to the ground. Okay.
Like they were saying. Yeah. And the officers, you know, on body cam saying,
you know, he swung, he swung on me.
I dropped down. I would, I got close, but, and then shortly after he drops down

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to the ground is when the shots, the shots are.
So he like rushed his plan because he was confronted.
Probably. Yeah. Which, which man, thank goodness. Yeah. May,
may have saved, you know, Trump's life and others probably.
And others, unfortunately, you know, one person still lost their life, but yeah. Yeah.
So, and then later on in the body cam, an officer is saying,

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I told the Secret Service they needed a guy out here on this,
like at this building on this roof. Like I told the Secret Service on.
Well, it was a steep roof, man. I mean, we got to be safe.
Speaking of steep roofs, I thought about the Secret Service the other day. I was on my roof.
Okay. Okay. So storm comes and I realized one of my gutters is clogged during

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the storm. It's just dumping. Yeah.
Washing out all my mulch and everything. So the next day I have to clean out my gutter.
The problem is my ladder. I don't have a ladder long enough to reach up to the gutter.
And at the time I didn't, I didn't know who I could call.
I was also like soaking wet because I was doing it in the rain.
It was a mess. Anyways, I was like, you know what?

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If I get up on the roof and get down right at the edge to the gutter,
I can clean the gutter out. Right.
It was frightening. lightning i was you're a
big heights guy i am not a big heights guy but i got up
on the roof so i jumped up onto our main roof and
shimmy your way down all the way down and
like i'm at the edge because i got to be able to reach in the gutter i'm at

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the edge and i'm like if i fall dude you conquered your fears yeah yeah my my
heart was pumping dude heights are a thing like i i wonder if there are people
who are i guess there's people who aren't scared of heights or aren't fearful
of heights because they've been at high altitudes.
I mean, especially those guys, those men back in the day that built like skyscrapers.

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Oh, there is no way I can do that. Those guys are nuts.
And the pictures of them eating on the I-beam. Yeah, just like hanging out.
Like it's just hanging out. It's just a thing. But either way,
I was up on the roof, which the slope was a lot greater than the roof at this Trump rally.
And I just had to think, my heart went out to the Secret Service.
I got it. Yeah. I get it. I get it. It's scary up there. It's like the sloped roof.

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But yeah, so I thought, I just thought it was incredible that there was a local
police officer on body cam who obviously had been in contact with secret service
and had met with them on the Tuesday before the rally.
The rally was on a Saturday and it said, I told the secret service they needed
someone at this building on this roof on Tuesday and they didn't listen to me.

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It's weird. I mean, yeah, it's weird how like
nowadays we don't believe police unless there's
some type of body cam footage in general most people don't
yeah it's because they say things and nobody believes
anything until well let's see the body cam and then the body cam's out okay
i guess they did tell the truth but you know what's crazy they the body cam
isn't they don't even believe the body cam anymore that's you can watch the

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body cam and people will still you know put forth lies i mean we're going to
talk about a case here uh later in the episode where it's clear on
body cam what happened and some of the lies that are still
being perpetuating about that are are incredible
right i think that's going to be the the battle coming i mean it's already the

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battle but like what is truth related to like incidents or like what can we
believe anymore like with ai and with just being able to manipulate video and
being able to add things to video and And it's seamless.
Right. Like, I think that's going to be scary. Yeah. Well, I think it already is scary.
Right. That's what I'm saying. But I think it's just going to get even better.

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Right. And you never know.
You're going to watch a video and you'll be like, well, I don't even know if
that's real or not. Right. Because they can manipulate someone's voice.
Even now when I get scam calls, if I happen to answer the phone,
usually I won't even say anything.
Because they're... Like, they're telling you, don't even say hello.
Or don't say, you know, if you're asked, is this, you know, Anthony Weaver,

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don't say yes. Like don't say anything.
So, you know, usually I'll just, I'll just pick up if I don't know the number,
but I'm expecting a call and it might be who I'm expecting. I just pick up the
phone. I won't say anything.
I'll let that person talk first. Yeah. And if they say, you know,
is this so-and-so I'd be like, who's this or who's asking or, you know? Yeah.

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So I think it'd be funny to just start saying like, there's blood everywhere. What should I do?
Or like there's a body in my basement. What should I do? How do I clean this
up? How do I clean this up? Help me. Yeah.
I don't know. It's pretty, it is pretty wild. The AI stuff is, is concerning.
It's pretty pretty uh crazy what

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they can do with it and what they can use it
for right it's again it's another one of
those things like compute like when computers first came out everybody's like oh computers
are evil and they're going to destroy the world and this
and it's just another thing that god has given us that can be used for good
or evil right and man generally chooses evil evil unfortunately laura and i

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were watching a movie just just yesterday last night and And they were talking about this entity,
this like AI entity that was like stealing all the information from the intelligence agencies.
So the intelligence agencies were trying to rapidly record onto paper all their

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information so that they had hard copies of it because this entity was infiltrating
it and changing it and stuff.
So they were like desperately, they showed this big giant room, and this is a movie,
but they showed this big giant room with people at like typewriters typing out
hard copies of all this intel that they had so that they knew what was true
and what wasn't because this entity was disrupting their electronics.

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Their computers and everything.
Thing and lauren lauren was like isn't that crazy that we might get to a point
where written things written and recorded on paper like hard copies will become
like precious right like because it's.
Like you can tell like you can't change something that's printed on right paper

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or it's more difficult or yeah whatever i was like wow that's that's an interesting
thing to think about yeah I
have thought about it in, in the case of like the Bible and the word too,
because I like, as our world continues to drift into this, like what is real
and what isn't real, like what is true, like, and what I'm reading true,
it's, it's comforting to know that we have a book that has been carried thousands

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and thousands of years that has eyewitness accounts.
It has prophecy, you know, it
has truth in it that I can open up and be like, okay, this This is true.
I know this is true. I don't know if anything else around me is true,
but at least this one thing is true, you know?
It's wild. Anyways, yeah, a lot going on.
We had the Olympics and they're still going on, right?

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I think. Yeah. Only a couple more days as of this recording, only a couple more days.
But so, so I was, have you watched much of the Olympics?
Like, I mean, I haven't sat down and just like watch.
Yeah. We'll turn it. We'll turn it on. We'll watch some table tennis and we'll
watch some, some swimming stuff.
Yes. Bad, badminton. They had badminton on. That's why I'm in.

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So Snoop Dogg was doing color commentary for badminton.
Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg. And then he was also old now, isn't he?
He's in his fifties, I think. Okay. I think he's in his fifties and he,
he's, he, he is a, I don't, he's not a commentator, but he's,
he's, what are they called? He's a correspondent.

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Okay. So he's like an NBC correspondent for the, for the Olympics.
Okay. He's not an athlete, right?
No, he's no, he, he's an artist.
This is what got me, got me thinking. I'm like, how is this guy in everything?
Like, think about, think about, and maybe you can't think about what he's in,
but if you think about it, you see Snoop Dogg in so many mainstream things.

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Like Monday night football, the new, the new song for Monday night football, NFL football. Okay.
He's in that. Really? Yeah. Why?
He's just in the song. He's like singing the, singing the song with Chris Stapleton.
They, they do a remix of Phil Collins.
I can feel it in the air or in the air tonight is the name of the song.

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Oh, you know, I can feel it.
Yeah. Coming through the air tonight or whatever. Yeah. So they do the remix
of that song for Monday Night Football.
So you have Chris Stapleton who kills this song in this. Like in a good way.
Yeah. Yeah. In a good way. Just like, I mean, I'm a big Chris Stapleton fan.
And then they have Snoop Dogg doing a guest appearance for the song stuff.

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Like he's in everything.
Does he ruin the song or? I mean, I'm not a Snoop Dogg fan.
I've never, I've never been a fan, but like I looked up his endorsements.
He's an XM Satellite Radio, Chrysler, Hot Pockets, Money Supermarket,
Orange, Overstock.com, Vibe Mobile.
Tweed, Lace Me Up, Scoot, E-Bike, Adidas, King Ice, G-Pen, Norton Antivirus, Adidas.

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Norton Antivirus. it's colt 45 late
landy cognac skull candy nef
pepsi 7-11 serious pimp tom tom
ea sports monster orbit mega upload
t-mobile pony like some of these companies i don't even know but he's in all
this stuff and then he's i see him throughout like we we watched a decent amount

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of the olympics and he is a correspondent throughout the olympics so he just
constantly is on the screen like they're They're constantly like showing, showing him.
Is he talking about the Olympics or he's just there? Yeah, he talks about the
Olympics. He's with Martha Stewart.
They go to the equestrian event and he's meeting horses. Well,
they both went to jail, right? And feeding the horses carrots.
Maybe they met in jail. I think they, yeah.

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And. Did he go to, is he a criminal? Has he gone to jail? Yeah.
So he, he has a, he has a rap sheet. I think he's done some jail time.
Let me go down. So that's interesting. So he's a celebrity because of his music
back in the day. Like, has he released stuff recently?
I mean, I'm not a dude. I don't follow. I guess what I started,
I started wondering, like when I saw, so he's in the Olympics and I'm just like,

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this guy is in everything.
And why, why is he in everything? Because what he, what he's about and he blatantly puts this forward.
He is about the weed smoking lifestyle. I thought he quit smoking weed.
I think he said he quit and then he decided not to quit.
Or he said he quit for one of his endorsements as like for a commercial for

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one of his endorsements. And he's like, ah, just kidding. I didn't quit.
Like, I don't know. I read something about it, but he, no, that's what he,
he, he promotes this all the time and he promotes the gangster lifestyle.
I think he was a crip or, you know, part of a crip set or something like that.
Like back in the day. Back in the day. When he was really young or whatever. you know
and i don't know what his affiliation is right now with the gangster

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lifestyle but he just he he just
released an album here this year and on on that album here let me find the name
of the song do you have the lyrics because i it's really hard for me to listen
well here i just want to tell you the name of the song and then and then see
if you if you can figure out,

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what the song would be about.
This is great radio right here.
So the name of the song is Let the K Spray. What do you think that song's about?
Let the K Spray. Let the K Spray.
Really? He's talking about AK-47. He's guns. So this whole song is him.

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This was just released. Okay. This whole song is about basically mowing down
other gang members. Okay. Like killing people.
He's talking about guns and he's talking about gangbanger stuff.
That's what he's talking about in this song.
So he just released this song in 2024.
He makes no bones about his love of marijuana

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his use of marijuana his use of weed right like
that that's part of his personality that's part of his shtick is
like you know always smoking you know that
sort of thing and so i'm just like how is this guy so mainstream like why why
have we made this guy so mainstream well it's because it sounds like his values

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line up with mankind now you know what i mean i guess Yes.
Yeah. I mean, he was a torchbearer for the Olympics and then he's, he's doing all this.
That's what I'm saying. Like, why, why is this guy like being elevated to such a high level?
I mean, he, his, his agent must be incredible.

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His agent must be incredible. Right. Or these companies are realizing that he's
bringing money to their, to their companies. So they're just jumping on board.
It'll be a fad dude. He'll, he'll fade away. Like everybody else he's been doing
this for years yeah it's interesting i mean he's a defund the police guy he's
he's a he's uh you know like i said his persona is the whole gangster lifestyle,

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crime is that still the case he just made a song about killing people okay and
mowing them down with an ak-47 it is weird how what we choose as a society to like,
I guess, listen to, to celebrate, and to cancel.
You know what I mean? Like, because there's some things that get put out there

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or somebody says something that makes you know you'd never, like they vanish into the darkness.
I'm trying to think of an example, but like- Well, I think we see examples every day.
I know, but I'm trying to think of a specific one where- I got you.
Someone said something and now they're canceled. This guy talks about,
you know, gang violence.
And I'm sure he talks about women in a great way. I'm sure he lifts them up. Right.

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I mean, maybe he does. I don't know this guy from any. No, he doesn't mean anything to me, dude. Right.
I just I just I just find it amusing and interesting that someone like that
like that is is portrayed in such a positive light. Right.
As a hero. And given so many positive opportunities.
Like, why wouldn't we, for a person like that, be like, no, you represent something that is wrong.

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You represent something that we don't want our kids involved in. Yeah.
That we don't want our society to look like the things you're promoting.
The things that you're promoting, those aren't good things. Those aren't righteous things.
So we're not going to use you as front and center for the Olympics.
And it's rumored he was paid $500,000 a day for his correspondence for the Olympics.

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Interesting. For like little, like 30 second, five minute spots of him doing
stuff all over the Olympics, looking ridiculous, doing his dances,
acting like he's smoking weed.
You know, I'm just like, I don't, I don't understand why we are glorifying this
guy and lifting him up as an example, as someone that we should emulate, you know?
Well, what was that swimmer, the swimmer that won, the male swimmer that won

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like the last like four Olympics, he won everything. Yeah.
Big huge guy like you see him every once in a while but remember remember he started smoking
weed like right after or he smoked weed like one or two times he
got smoke caught smoking weed and he he
was basically like everybody like was like this guy
he's not a role model for our kids like they blasted this
guy i mean i've seen him at the olympics this

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time michael phelps phelps yeah yeah that's what you're talking about thank you
yeah michael phelps right like yeah he won all these like medals and
he was like the greatest swimmer ever and then next you know
he smoked weed read one time and everybody's like oh this guy can't be
a role model for our kids and like society blasted him
and then now you're putting snoop dogg yeah that that's what
i don't understand weird yeah it's it's just odd to me i
guess it depends on who you are or what kind of money

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you bring to your to your platform right because
initially i was like i was like you know i started thinking about him
and i was like why is this guy representing you
know american culture and american culture for
all the everyone who's watching olympics all these kids
that are watching olympics right oh who's that that's snoop dogg oh let
me go down listen let me go down let it load his music oh cool

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he has a song about having guns and like shooting people that
he doesn't like i mean oh and smoking weed and yeah i'm like i don't understand
why we put that guy front center it's art and then like you said it's art michael
phelps yeah it's art yeah and so then i was like well maybe maybe he's reformed
maybe he's reformed maybe he's
different but then And that's when I came across this brand new album,

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but he has all the same garbage in.
And because his background, his criminal background is older,
but it's quite a criminal background.
In 89 to 90, felony possession of drugs.
He did a three-year prison sentence for that. Oh, really? Now,
this is according to Wikipedia, which I believe. I believe everything Wikipedia tells me.
But he does have a mugshot out there.

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Which gives him more cred. He has traffic violations, gun possessions that he pled guilty to.
He was actually part of a murder trial and he got acquitted.
That was back in the mid-90s. He was a defendant in a murder trial.
Marijuana charges. He's been arrested at airports and convicted for drug stuff.

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Arrested in Sweden for illegal drug possession. He's been sued for assaults, sexual harassments.
He's gone through periods where he's been banished from other countries.
Like he was banished from the United Kingdom from 2006 to 2010.
The Brits said no. Yeah.
And I think a lot of that was for like arrests or vandalism.

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This looks like vandalism charges, drug charges.
He was, he was kicked out of and banished from Australia in 2007 to 2008.
The Aussies. Banished from Norway, 2012 to 2014. And.
I'm just like, why, why is this guy, why in our culture right now,
do we lift people up like this? Yeah.

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Celebrate. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. It's a, it's an, it's an odd,
odd thing to me. Yeah. We choose the wrong, the wrong people.
But Snoop Dogg, he's in everything. It reminded me of that bit.
Brian Regan, the comedian does on a, you introduced me to him like a long time.
Oh yeah. Years and years ago.
He does this, he does this bit on cranberries and he's like in the juice aisle

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and he's like, you know, what's up with the cranberry guy?
He's in everything you know you got cranberry apple cranberry
like cran everything he's like
you know back off cranberry man so i
i just it made me think of that like whoever snoop dog's
agent is good on him i mean he somehow has
taken this guy who gained notoriety and

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fame from rapping about gangster
lifestyle and gangster things and made him mainstream right i don't know yeah
so it's a it's a wild thing yeah i wish it wasn't like that anthony but it is
dude you got to get some energy you are am i bringing us down yeah you're really yep that's how it is.

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Well i know that's how it is i'm trying to have a conversation about and we're
literally talking about we've been talking about for the last 20 minutes like
i agree with you like what do you want to talk about give me give me one of
your gary low isms oh man so let me ask you this i You didn't come in with a,
let me ask you this moment?
Dude, I told you I had a rough time this morning. Why did you have such a rough
time? I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. Did you go to bed late? No, no.
Okay. I don't know. Did you sleep? I slept well, yeah. I got a kink in my neck,
man. I wonder if that's what it is.
I think it's sympathetic because my bride, she was not well the last two days, like her neck.
Oh, really? So I think it's sympathetic to that, but.
Sympathetic like a sympathetic like pain dude

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you got to find that knot i know we got one of those
like those athlete like beater things
what do you call those things i don't know like thumps your back oh like that
thumper yeah yeah we got one of those things a couple years ago and that thing's
great so she's been using that pulling her neck a little bit but i feel like
this morning i woke up and i was driving over here to the studio and i was feeling

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it a little pain so i wonder what
if that's what it is find that knot and then
you need a bony elbow right into
that knot maybe i'll use your boy later on he just beat on me
i usually get you know lauren or my
daughter yeah that stand behind me and
just like with all their might elbows down on the knots yeah it hurts like the

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dickens but man like the dickens it releases i don't know are you allowed to
say that i don't even know what that means i've heard that is that something
offensive now that i fend people yeah you probably would be yeah yeah you won't
be getting endorsements or anything.
The guy will never be on the olympics yeah i
i wish they would like i like when they put old athletes

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on like they talk about this stuff like i think that's interesting like i could
care less like i i just don't care what he says i don't even know the guy like
i don't know his music i don't know anything about him other than he likes weed
yeah and like i guess i i did know that he He was like a gangster guy.
Maybe he still is a gangster guy, but yeah.
I think once you come to like, he's probably not a gangster guy now.

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He just like celebrates it and wants others to, he makes money off. Right.
In reality, he makes money off the week. Yeah. In reality.
And I think in his early stuff, he would fly the flag, you know,
for, for these like sets, these gang sets and stuff like in his music videos
and stuff. So they would buy his stuff. Yeah. I don't cred.
Yeah. Right. I don't know if he still does that or not, but he's definitely

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still making music that glorifies that type of thing.
Yeah. Which is terrible. I really get upset. I don't like the gangster stuff
and objectifying women and just the sex lifestyle.
That stuff just drives me absolutely insane.
It's terrible. Yeah. I saw there's this clip out there, a comedian who was talking about.

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So was it this past Christmas or a couple of Christmas ago, they,
they tried to cancel baby. It's cold outside the song baby cold outside.
And so he's, he does this bit on, you know, he's like, so we've, we've canceled a baby.
It's cold outside, but, but we are, are all about this song.
I can't remember the name of this, the female rapper, hip hop artist,

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whatever, who has a song.
Is it cardio B? Yeah. Is that her name? WAP, you know, her song,
which stands for something.
And so he reads, he's like, so this is the song we've canceled.
And he reads down over like the lyrics of the song. He's like,
okay, that's canceled. Now I'm going to read the lyrics from, and it's insane.

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He's like, this song is like top in charts and people are asking her to do this
and do that and come here.
And I'm just like, this is, I mean, it's funny.
Like I'm laughing at it, but it's so ridiculous. right
it's it's funny because it's so sad right
i think i mean i think it's just it's absolutely insane it's
absurd funny absurd funny absurd funny like that we that we would be like oh

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we got to cancel that song but is that like women power so they can do what
they want like it's celebrating that like we're not being like so this is like
the traditional like man women this is how How we're empowering women,
a song about a body part on a woman. Right.
I mean, it's wild, dude. It's like, it's like, how, how is that helping?

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Yeah. Like our situation.
Did you hear the new version of that? A baby is cold outside.
No, it's, I forget. I mean, I wish I found the lyrics for it,
but like, it's basically like, you know, if you'd like me to stay,
like, would you invite me?
Like, it's like that kind of thing. It's like so ridiculous.
Oh man. Whatever. I don't know. When he's Snoop Dogg, dude, he's doing it. He's making money.

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He's making money. Yeah, not changing the world. Hand over fist. For good.
Hand over fist, making the money. So-
I guess, yeah. I don't know. There's not much more to say about it.
There's probably a lot more to say. Not much more to say about it.
So, I mean, I don't even know how to transition into what we're going to talk about.

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Give me a good transition, Gary. I guess, I mean, we're trying to move on.
But what do you say to people as old men sit behind mics with some listeners?
Like, don't buy his stuff. Don't listen to his music.
Don't let your kids listen to his music yeah like you know like yeah
do like stay like celebrate other things right you know i think i think the

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the cancel culture one thing that's interesting to me about the cancel culture
is like you know during pride i don't know if it was pride month this year or
last year target had a whole bunch of stuff out and yeah people were like you
know Don't shop at Target.
And I think it's different if you can say like, okay, Snoop Dogg makes music that I don't approve of.

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I'm not going to buy his album and I'm not going to allow my kids to listen to it or whatever.
Sure. But these companies, these huge companies that are run by people who are, you know.
Not followers of God who don't, all they care about is making money.
They all support things that you don't support.
So I see like these blogs and these Christian leaders, like we need to like,

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you know, not shop at Target and not shop at Walmart.
And I'm like, okay, so where are we going to shop at? Like, you know,
like we should not be surprised that a company who does not profess conservative values,
Christian values, embraces and supports and celebrates things that we don't want to agree with.

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And that is the majority of companies.
You do a deep dive into all the major companies in our country.
Most of them are supporting, celebrating, endorsing things that we as believers
or just Just people as conservatives, conservative people would not endorse,

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would not celebrate, would not be in favor of. Right.
But we should expect that. Which is why we're so polarized at this point as a society. Yeah. Right?
Maybe. I mean, I think that's one of the reasons. I think what I'm saying is
believers are like, we need to completely abandon these companies.

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I'm like, to go to another company that believes something else you don't believe?
Right. They just don't have the funds to get Snoop Dogg. Right. Right.
Like in reality, they just don't have like, they have the same belief system
as this big giant company who can afford Snoop Dogg.
They have the same values. They just don't have the funds to buy a guy like that.
Or even, even just be me, like every day you engage with people and use the

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businesses of people who have values and beliefs that you don't have.
Yeah. It's you're in, it's impossible for For you to go through life and only
go to businesses and engage in the buying and selling of goods with only people
that think the way you think.
Like, that's impossible. That doesn't exist.

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And it's exhausting to me when people are like, oh, Walmart supports this.
Don't shop at Walmart. Target supports this. Don't shop at Target.
I'm like, okay, this is exhausting to me.
So now I have to go around and try to figure out what all these companies agree
with and endorse and then just not shop at them.
This is what I would expect from the world. This is what I expect from the world.

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Now, I think it's a little different for someone like a person who has music.
I can very easily say, well, I'm not going to support that person.
I'm not going to buy their music.
Or I'm not going to watch that movie because it has A, B, and C in it.
Or I'm not going to, whatever it may be, there's specific times where I think we have to do that.

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And I think doing it at times sends a message because money talks.
Money speaks. weeks so and i
appreciate these people that are out like trying to like open
a door and shed light on these really
woke policies that some of these um companies have like
there's a guy who's going after harley davidson right now really

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yeah and rocking harley rocking harley davidson because
at the high levels of harley it's just complete woke craziness
okay and and so he's like rocking in
them farmer supply he outed farmer supply for
their farmer supply farmer supply for all
kinds of woke stuff they have they have in their bylaws
and that they're supporting as a company and and and cause caused farmer supply

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to back back off and like that's change things and good you know yeah so i don't
think it's a bad thing i just don't think we should be surprised by it yeah
i'm not surprised yeah not surprised by it so so we got a doozy here to talk
about man yeah this alabama thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Decatur. And this is pretty new, right? Yeah. So, yeah.

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So we want to talk about this officer involved shooting and break this down.
And this officer has now been charged with murder.
And yeah, we just want to talk about the case and, and bring,
you know, we don't have a, a huge following, but I don't think most people know about this.
I didn't know about this case until several months ago.

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There's a Facebook page supporting this officer, officer Marquette and,
and what he's going through.
I believe he's married to what him and his wife are going through.
And this Facebook page started following the podcast page.
Okay so that's how i became aware of it i started like
i'm like what is this backup i think it's

(36:13):
called backup mac and so i
started like looking at the website and stuff and we'll put it in the show notes
yeah like the website for it yes we will and started diving into this case so
so this is what happened this is back in september of 23 okay so hey when you
sent me this i read it and i was like i read the yeah the thing and i was like
there's got to be more to this there's got

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to be more to what happened here right and
then i watched these videos and i was just like what is
happening yeah is it like is so you
said it happened in alabama but what was the what was
the the city decatur is it a big
city is it a small city do you know anything about the i don't
know the size of decatur okay um i think it's a larger agency

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but i don't know how like hundreds of cops or like
i i don't know okay i'm not sure i'm not sure
how big of a department it is okay but it
doesn't happen inner city like the the incident happens like
kind of in a neighborhood it looks like it's in a real nice real nice neighborhood
yeah you know based on the pictures of the house and and the neighborhood around
the house that i it looks like a typical like neighborhood yeah you have like

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a neighborhood i live in yeah exactly right right so it yeah so this this this happened i mean.
Yeah. September of 23. So September 29th of, of 2023.
So just under a year ago, the officer involved is Bailey Mack Marquette.
They call him Mack. Okay. Officer Marquette.
And he's with Decatur PD in Alabama where he was, he's since been fired, um, or terminated.

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So this is, this is what happens. I'll, I'll break it down and we'll talk about
it. So a repo tow operator attempted to repo a truck at the house of the suspect.
He is approached by a male, the
male suspect, who we later found out is actually the owner of the truck.
This male suspect brandishes a firearm at the tow operator as he's trying to

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repo this truck. So repo man leaves.
He calls the police to make a report and request their assistance to attempt
the repo again. So the initial officer doesn't go immediately to the house.
He actually goes to the tow yard to take the report.
And I don't know how much time passes between the report being made and them going back to the house.

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But ultimately, they develop this plan like, hey, four officers are going to
go back to the residence with the tow truck driver to offer protection and,
I imagine, try to make contact with this male and get this sorted out.
So keep that in mind. We already have a suspect who brandished a firearm at a tow truck driver.

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Now the tow truck driver is asking for assistance to go back to this address.
So the officers get there.
Their plan was, it looks like they kind of hid their cars.
One officer went across the street.
Hit across the street. This is early morning hours, so it's dark out.
Another officer is further down the street.

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And then two officers, one of them being Officer Marquette, take up a position
on the left side of the suspect house, if you're facing the house on the left side of this house.
They're set up. You see the tow truck operator pull in and start hooking this truck.
And the truck is in the driveway. Truck is in the driveway.
It's backed in, I think. Yeah. So tow truck driver pulls in,

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starts hooking the truck.
Boom. Once again, suspect comes out of the house, points a gun at the tow truck
driver, officer Marquette and the other officer come around the corner of the
house and you hear officer Marquette engage immediately with the suspect.
He says, hey, police, get on the ground.
And then boom, it's immediately fired. immediate shots

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are fired by officer marquette towards a suspect so
there's multiple body cam angles and
body cam was not released on this it was leaked so that's how we have body cam
someone leaked it okay okay and right now because of this trial that's coming
up there's a gag order because they're trying to figure out who leaked the body

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cam oh because that's the big deal right Right. Because that's the big deal.
And the question is, and no one seems to know the answer to this,
why wasn't the body cam put out?
What's the point of withholding the body cam from the public?
The only thing that was released was some video camera surveillance from houses
in the area, which is super grainy and you can't really tell what's going on too much.

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And because the body cam wasn't released, right away, the rumors started coming out.
The family started putting out the family of the suspect who ultimately dies.
It starts putting out that their family member was unarmed.
He was ambushed. He was killed without reason. He only had a flashlight.
All these lies start getting out. And there's body cam that proves that that

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isn't true, but it's not released. It's leaked.
And so now everyone's up in arms because this body cam was leaked and they don't
know who leaked it. So there's gag orders and all kinds of stuff.
Yeah. Good on whoever leaked it.
I mean here in reality in reality truth come out in reality I think departments
need to start playing hardball yeah you know the the the press and our politicians

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they want to push a certain agenda agenda a certain narrative of what happens and oftentimes.
Like deafening silence from the police department, like get out ahead of it.
Yeah. Put the stuff out there. If it's good or bad.
If it's good or bad, do it, do it, do it in all.
And I get it. Like there's investigations and sometimes you have to wait and

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you can't release something immediately because you need to like verify or check
or clarify something before you release it.
And you, or, or you need to have conversations with suspects and you don't want
them to have the ability of seeing something before you interview them.
There's reasons to not release.
But in a situation like this, where you have an officer involved shooting,

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the suspect is deceased, you know, because it's, again, it's a white officer
and it's a black suspect.
That's the narrative. That's the pushing point.
That's the thing that, you know, caused an uproar in Decatur,
you know, because of this, that it's being, well, it's being pushed.
That was Anthony. Yeah, that was me. it's being pushed low expectations yo ai

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i'll fix that for those things no one.
Ai isn't that good but it's being pushed you
know this narrative is being pushed you know the racial aspect unarmed black
man you know this narrative these lies are being pushed why not put the body
cam out right why not get it out there and be like no he absolutely did have
a gun and he absolutely did point it at especially a year like i like even a

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week there's not much to do this investigation is not much to do.
There's a tow truck driver, there's police officers, there's a suspect.
So there's no witnesses.
There's no reason to not release this video. Yeah.
And the video shows, so I'll just get into the body cam a little bit.
The body cam and the video from the houses nearby definitely show the suspect

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pointing a handgun that's equipped with a light.
Which makes it easier to see that he's pointing. Right. Because the light on
his handgun is on. It's activated.
Yep. And he, he, you can see in the videos, he points it in the direction of the, of the tow truck.
Which is a crime. Which is a crime. There's someone in the tow truck, the tow truck operator.

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He points in the direction of the tow truck and you can see the light sweep to the tow truck.
When Officer Marquette and the other officer come around the corner,
you can see him swing and they announce police get on the ground.
He swings the gun at Officer Marquette. Right.
And that light, they have body cam that shows that light literally lighting

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up Officer Marquette. That light's right on him.
It's obvious that he swung the gun.
There's body cam immediately after the shooting with the gun on the ground at
the feet of the suspect. The light's still on.
And we still don't know if the suspect fired any shots that I,
that hasn't even come out yet.

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If the suspect was able to fire any shots at, at, at the officer and the officer
fires, I think it's 18 rounds.
He, he unloads his, his, his magazine at the suspect.
Ultimately suspect dies like they offer aid
i think they handcuff him handcuff him and then
they start they ask for an ambulance right away uh one

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guy get us an ambulance right away i think is what it says asap or
something like that one one officer runs down the street to his car to get a
first aid kit like they're like let's put pressure on this and they and again
like the these officers i didn't i didn't see anything on body cam that was
unprofessional i didn't see officers calling him names. I didn't see officers cursing at him.

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And I just- And that doesn't really matter.
Anyway- That's a peripheral matter. Correct. Right. But it helps with the mindset of these officers.
Like, hey, they're remaining professional in a very volatile situation.
And when I see that, I guess I want people to appreciate that.
You were just in a situation where you believed you were going to- Be killed.

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Be killed. Or shot at or whatever. shot killed you did
what you had to do your your emotions and
are so high i cannot express
how hard it is to keep those emotions in check with what you say it is extremely
hard and it actually shows the i guess the the raw nature of the individual

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you know what i mean like it kind of comes out in a stressful situation.
Which is embarrassing to me because I watch an officer in a situation like that.
I, I watch officer Marquette operate and I'm like, this guy,
I don't know that I would have been as professional as him.
Yeah. Like he stays under control. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't like,
like, I think, you know, if someone tries to kill me,

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like to, to not react in a certain way after,
After you survive the euphoria of surviving and the anger of someone trying
to take your life to not say anything that is...
Considered mean or derogatory or derogatory not

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calling him a name you know not cursing
and i'm not you know like just
calling him a a-hole or you know nothing officer
marquette has no yeah no unprofessional language
in in his in his response to this
which we've talked about in other videos right like we've talked about that

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a lot of times it's not a great it's not great it's not
to to explode like that emotionally right
it's it's hard to it's hard to control that to begin with
but like i think it does show a little bit of
his it shows a level meaner it shows a level of professionalism
ability to operate under fire confidence confidence
he knows what he's doing he he he's able to control himself it shows a level

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of self-control and for me watching him like knowing my personality like i i'm
in awe of that because i i have been in situations where I've been in intense
situations and the words that come out of my mouth afterwards are,
are not professional, have not been professional.
And, and so I, I, it's very, very hard to have that level of self-control in

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a situation that's out of control.
And, and so I, I think it's important to try to help people to understand like how controlled he was.
He did, He did what he knew he had to do to protect himself.
To protect the tow truck driver, to protect the other officers there,
and then continued to operate in a professional way, seek help for the suspect.

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Look at getting him first aid and everything.
So what happens after that is…,
This case, as all cases in Alabama go, as all officer-involved shootings in
Alabama go to the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, or ALEA, and they investigate
all officer-involved shootings in the state.

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So that's turned over to ALEA. They investigated it. So they're a government agency.
They're a government agency within
Alabama that investigates all officer-involved shootings in the state.
Are they state police or it's just a state government entity?
They're called Alabama Law Enforcement Agency. So I think it's like a state
kind of maybe like maybe like the attorney general's office here in Pennsylvania,

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you know, some sort of state agency that investigates these.
I don't know a lot about Aaliyah, but they investigate every officer involved shooting.
And my understanding is they generally don't give recommendations on whether
charges should be brought or not.
They just do their investigation and then they turn that investigation over
to the district attorney's office in that area and give them a brief.

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So they're not even the charging agency. Correct.
They do the investigation and give it over. It's just an outside agency that
investigates it to try to keep. I actually like that. Yeah.
Try to keep, you know, show that there's no bias in the investigation, that sort of thing.
So they hand it over to Morgan County District Attorney's Office.
The DA there is Scott Anderson.

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And they hand it over. They hand their investigation over to him and that office
on December 26, 23. Okay.
D.A. Anderson puts the case in front of a grand jury.
So my understanding is all of the district attorney's office is in Alabama for all felonies.
All felonies are put before grand juries.

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So it's not weird that he did that.
He wouldn't have had to put it before a grand jury, but he made the decision
based on the investigation to put it before a grand jury.
Personally, I think the reason that was done is because there was mounting political
pressure and racial tension pressure in the city towards the police department,

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towards the DA's office, and I think they folded.
And instead of saying, this was a completely justified shooting.
We are not putting it before a grand jury, based on the findings of Aaliyah,
based on the investigation done, the department also did an internal investigation on it.
We are not, we're not pursuing charges.

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It's a justified shooting. So he could have done that and he could have gone to a grand jury.
Those are his two options, right? Yes. Okay. Based on my understanding of how,
how the criminal justice and a grand jury, generally a grand jury basically
hears like, here's the investigation.
So it's a group of people who hear the investigation.
Generally they hear a lot more than what would be allowed in a trial, right?

(51:08):
So they, the grand jury hears and there's not like it's a grand jury my understanding
of a grand jury it might be different in alabama is that there's no there's
no defense like there's no there's not correct there's not a back and forth it's the prosecutor.
The prosecuting office asking questions or actually giving information to the

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grand jury, the grand jury can ask questions to the attorneys in the prosecuting
office and they can give them answers.
So it's very open. It's not like a trial.
It's not like you would hear in a trial where you see it on TV,
where there's a defense attorney and the accused is in there. That's not Not the case.

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Yes. It's, there's no defense presented. Correct.
So basically only the prosecutor's office, the district attorney's office presents
the evidence and can answer questions of the people on the grand jury.
Correct. I think in Alabama, the grand jury is made up of 18 people.
I think to return an indictment, they need 12 people.
Okay. If I remember from reading their, the way their law works.

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And in indictment means, Hey, we think there's enough to charge.
Correct. We believe that the
person or persons involved in this should be charged with these crimes.
Right. And the prosecutor's office lays out the presentment.
You know what I mean? So they ask the questions and then the prosecuting attorney
has a presentment that they give to them and they vote on it.

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Right. Whether or not they want to indict whoever it is.
Right. So it's not a finding of guilt or innocence. Correct.
It's a finding that we have enough probable cause.
We have enough reason to send this to a trial. We believe this should be charged.
Yes. That's what a grand jury says. Exactly.
So I think you did a good job explaining what a grand jury is and helping people
understand that just because a grand jury returns an indictment,

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it's just that we believe this person should be charged with this crime and
it should be presented to a judge or a jury.
And it's interesting because a grand jury is a group of people from the community.
Where, whereas like you or I could just bring criminal charges.
Correct. You know what I mean? If we, if we believe we have probable cause and

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sometimes you have to get approval from a district attorney,
but like, Hey, this is what I have, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I got all these facts.
These, these are all the witnesses. We look at video together,
me and a prosecuting attorney.
And then we say, yep, let's bring charges. And I, and you type up charges and
you charge a guy right. Or girl.
Now, can you talk at all about the grand jury and in PA, how grand juries are used in PA?

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I think I just described it. Okay. All right. But isn't it, it's a little different
in, like in Alabama, every felony case is put before a grand jury.
That's not how it works in Pennsylvania. That is not the case in Pennsylvania. Right. Yep.
So a lot of times if you have a case where, you know, I mean,
maybe this is wrong to say, but in Pennsylvania, sometimes aren't grand juries
used as more of like an investigative tool.

(54:03):
Like you're presenting, you want to charge someone, but you also need to get
statements from people and you propel people to give statements yeah so a lot
of time grand juries are used for like corrupt organizations.
Right because people don't want to talk because they don't want to get killed
or they don't want like they were used in new york in new york city with all
the gangs all the mafia stuff sure you would coerce people to give you information

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like banks you can coerce banks to give information,
you can coerce businesses to give information or records or whatever you can
compel people to talk now they still have some rights as far as what they what
they can and can't or what they don't want to say, like you can have an attorney
there and it turns like we're not answering that.
And then it goes before the judge of the grand jury and the judge says yes or
no, based on what they're saying in that small room.

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Then the grand jury either hears or doesn't hear what they were asked.
You know what I mean? So there's some checks and balances there,
but basically you can compel people with a grand jury.
To talk to you. Right. Yeah. And, and again, each state is a little different and stuff.
So we've explained how Alabama uses it. And so, yeah, I, I don't know why I

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think the DA put it before a grand jury because of political pressure.
And, and that to me is disgusting. I mean, I don't know that for a fact,
but when you watch the video of this, this officer involved shooting,
I don't know how you can draw any other conclusion.
It's, it's, it's so clear cut that he was
in fear of a reasonable fear

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of of serious bodily harm or death
like there's no other way to you have
a guy pointing a gun at you right i i wonder so i i'm i guess i'm trying to
think if i don't hate i mean i don't think i would do that as in as the top
law enforcement officer of a community right which is the the da or the da yeah

(55:52):
which is the district attorney of that County.
Like, I don't, I don't necessarily hate the fact that he put it through a grand
jury because then he can be like, look, I gave it to the grand jury.
Maybe he thought that the grand jury was not going to indict.
I don't know. I think if I'm the top law enforcement officer, I don't have to do that.
Like if I don't have to put it to a grand jury, maybe he had to,
right. But if he doesn't have to, I'm not putting that through. Yeah.

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I think it's just weak. Yeah. It looks weak.
It looks like, hey, I'm going to bow to all the rumors and innuendos and false
stuff being put out there.
I'm going to bow to the mob in order to appease them.
I agree with that. I do. And again, I don't know.
But what I'm saying is it's not a moral – like it's a strength type thing.

(56:40):
You know what I mean? Your confidence level as a DA. Like you said, weak.
Yeah. You know what I mean? So like – but if he has – like you can – As the
DA, he can do that, right?
If it's not a cop, it's a felony to shoot somebody, right? It's a crime to murder
somebody, but he's a police officer.
So you could put it to a grand jury. I get that.
And even if a grand jury says, yes, we're going to charge, I don't think he has to bring charges.

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Does that make sense? I don't think that's the case. I don't know how that works.
I don't know how you could, could not then.
Yeah. If you're going to put it before a grand jury and then they're going to
indict and then you're going to be like, no, we're not bringing a charge.
I mean, that's, that's not going to work out well for you. So it goes to grand jury.
Like I want to talk about whether, whether or not you think there's anything,

(57:25):
like you said, this is, this is clear cut.
Right. Right. That's what you said. Is there any negative things about that?
Like, do you want it you want to like where are we at now like so we went to
grand jury in december right or it was given the,
It was given to the DA's office in December. It went to grand jury.

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It went to grand jury. They indicted and trial was scheduled for,
I think, October or November.
Yep. So they charged him criminally. They charged him with murder.
With murder. Okay. Yeah. He's charged with murder and the trial.
Was anybody else charged?
No. The other three officers were not charged criminally. They,
I mean, they, none of them shot. But they were there, Anthony. Yeah.

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I mean, there's, there's calls
from the community. They're saying all the officers should be charged.
Charged with what? I don't know. There was a civil case brought by the suspect's
family against the officers.
That took a huge blow just a day or two ago because a federal judge dropped

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the lawsuit against the three other officers.
And basically, the judge said, listen, if you're saying that your family member
was ambushed and had no time to react to the police,
then qualified immunity comes into play for the other three officers involved
because they didn't have time to react or stop this action.
They didn't act in a malicious or criminal way.

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If your family member didn't have time to react, then qualified immunity comes
into play for these three officers because they didn't have time to react.
Cause you're claiming that your, your family, like he didn't have,
he didn't have time to drop the gun. Correct.
Cause he says, Hey, police dropped the gun. And they're, they're saying that
the officer didn't give the deceased an opportunity.

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That's one of the narratives that's being pushed is that our,
this suspect was ambushed. The family is saying he was ambushed.
Does a police officer have to give a command and give them an opportunity to drop a gun? No.
And that's- Explain that, Anthony. Why?
Because a deadly force situation, there's nothing in the law that requires an

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officer to give a command and wait for that command to be followed before they
can engage in a deadly force against a suspect.
In other words, had Officer Marquette come around the corner and literally just
laid into the suspect without giving any commands,
it would still be a justified shooting because Because that suspect was pointing
a deadly weapon towards another person and then towards Officer Marquette.

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Officer Marquette actually did something to pull that gun away from a civilian towards himself.
Right. Which he didn't have to do. Everybody should hear that.
He did not have to do that.
He didn't have to say one word. He could have just stepped out of the shadows
and put a bullet into the suspect. So take a hostage situation,
right? Like you see all these videos with like a bank suspect holds a teller, right?

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He's got a gun to their head, right? Correct.
What happens? Generally, like in a good shoot, what happens?
A sniper takes that dude's head off, right? With no. With no,
there's no warning. No warning.
Nothing. So this is a similar situation in that.
Deceased is pointing a gun at a person
a civilian right and the officer actually

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goes above and beyond what he has to do and says hey police he takes his gun
and moves it toward the police officer which happened in my shooting and and
and the officer shot him right right he defended himself yeah and stopped the
the deadly force encounter which would have been toward the
tow truck driver correct he already confronted him right

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with a gun correct and the tow truck driver left
he didn't have to leave he left to
save his own life right right and and i think that i think that's key here i
mean i i what's crazy to me is what how quickly we lose the the personal responsibility
of the suspect in these cases which we talk about all the time we talk We talk

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about it a lot of time, but how quickly we focus on,
did the police act in the proper way?
There's literally no pressure on this. Did the suspect act in the proper way?
No. He made a decision to come out of his house, brandish a firearm at a tow truck driver.
That's a crime. Right. That's already a crime. You can't do that.

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And then they go back and he does the same thing again.
He makes a decision to come back out of his house with a gun and brandish it
towards the tow truck driver.
So the idea that the family is saying, well, he was ambushed,
the police hid their police cars, and then they hid in the shadows.
And then when he came out with a gun, they ambushed him.

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We literally have no idea what happened between the time the officer went to
the call to take the report from the tow truck driver and the plan they developed
and why they developed that plan.
We have no idea this suspect. I haven't, I don't know anything about him.
There's not, maybe he doesn't have a criminal record. I don't, I don't know.
Nothing's come out about who he is. Nothing's come out up to,

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did these officers already know who he is? Has he already been a problem?
Did they know that, hey, if we go over and we knock on the door,
he's not going to answer the door.
So we want to see if we can get him outside his house and take him into custody
for the earlier assault.
You know, we don't know, like, what the conversation that went into their plan.

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And we can sit back here and say, well, their plan wasn't that good.
They shouldn't have hid their police cars. They shouldn't have hid in the shadows.
But that is peripheral to the situation.
The question at hand is, in that moment, was the force used justified?
And the answer is an overwhelming yes.
Yeah. Like, another question is, are the police allowed to be there?

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Like, this is a civil issue.
Right? And I think there should be reforms on this, right? Like the tow truck
company can go to the court and get a, like,
I don't know if they had, if, if, if they have to, like, in order to repossess
it, if they have to get a court order, like, I don't understand how that works,
but like, I think that should be like, there should be some reforms that way
maybe, but like, it doesn't, it doesn't change what happened.

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Well, I think you can, you can, you can make that statement,
but I think once the repo company went and a gun was pointed at him,
you now have a crime, right?
So the crime was committed an hour before 30, whatever it was at whatever the
time it was, that was a crime.
Even if someone's on your property and you brandish a gun and pointed at him,
like that's still potentially something that the police should investigate, investigate, right?

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It doesn't mean it's a crime. It might not be a crime, but like we should,
the police are by duty to, they should, they should be able to investigate that.
And there's also a difference between stepping out of your house and when he
brandished the gun at the tow operator the first time, we don't know what that means.
Right. Did he point it at him or did he just have it? Did he just have it at his side?

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There's a difference between stepping out onto your property and having the
gun at your side and asking someone, what are you doing?
Or pointing the gun at someone. Huge difference.
From the moment you have your arm to your side, to you lift it,
that could be the crime right That's right.
You know, and so these are questions we don't know.
Right. But, you know, they're peripheral questions.

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The other, you know, you talked about the tow truck driver and everything.
That's another lie the family has continually put out is that the tow truck
driver had no right to repo the car.
Okay. It wasn't supposed to be repoed. It appears, everything I've read,
it appears that absolutely were at the right house, had the right vehicle,

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was definitely supposed to be repoed. That's right.
Like, but the families, you know, put out that, no, the tow truck driver was at the wrong place.
Shouldn't even been repo in the car, that sort of thing.
And those kinds of things we might not know, like those are important things for trial. Right.
But even here's the thing, even I think what what I'm trying to get across is

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even if the officers, even if the tow truck driver was at the wrong house,
even if he went to the wrong house, was repoing the wrong car,
had bad information on what he was supposed to repo,
even if he had the paperwork and and and it was bad paperwork.
Work, the officers are doing what they believe is the right thing to do in that

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situation, which is provide protection for a civilian and investigate an earlier crime.
Okay. So they're acting in good faith to go to that house.
That's that argument or that problem with the case.
If it is even a problem with the case, it appears that it isn't.
It appears that the repo was correct. But even if the repo wasn't correct,

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even if that information was wrong, that is a peripheral thing to this case.
It has no bearing on whether or not Officer Marquette used the appropriate level of force or not.
In the moment, a reasonable officer having a gun pointed at a civilian in his
presence or at him is going to use deadly force. Yeah.

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The, all, all these other things, the circumstances at the moment,
like we're looking back on it.
So it's easy for us to nitpick what they did, how they did it.
You know, should have they even like, why would the tow truck driver,
like, there's lots of questions as to what could have happened differently, but that's not the law.
Right. The law is totality of the circumstances, totality of circumstances at

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the time of, of the shooting by a reasonable officer.
Right. And so all these other things that the family wants to bring into it.
The family of the deceased.
I want to bring that in. I think it could have gone differently.
Sure. You can always look at these situations and talk about tactics used,

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things that could have been done differently to prevent what happened.
But that doesn't mean that what happened was illegal or criminal or even unreasonable.
Right. And so that's why I'm just flabbergasted in this case that this officer
has been charged with murder.

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Right. It's like murder is like an intentional act.
Like you you are like he set himself up in that situation, knowing that this
guy was going to come out with a gun in order to so that he could shoot him.
Like, that's literally what we're saying.
That's what the right the charge is going to say.
You know, and the lie that the suspect was unarmed and only had a flashlight.

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Absolute false. Absolutely false.
And the other thing that I've, you know, the other thing that,
you know, might be brought up is, you know, he emptied his whole magazine on
the guy again. Another peripheral thing.
It's a peripheral thing because you, I think we, we go into very dangerous territory
when we, when we tell the police, Hey, listen, you have the right to defend

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the life of other people and yourself,
but we decide how many rounds and how many bullets that takes that.
That's super dangerous.
And it's not like there's a law and law in it.
Like he, he unloads, he unloads, but it takes him probably a second. And I mean, it is fast.
It's fast. And immediately afterwards, when they're moving up,

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he, he, one of the officers says, drop the gun or something because when suspect
initially falls, his hands are underneath him. Yeah.
And so, you know, in watching the video several times, I believe they thought
he still had that gun underneath him and was still holding the gun.

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Whether that was true or not, the picture of the gun that I saw was in the yard, like by his feet.
It looks like it's by his feet when they move up. But the officers involved
when he fell and had his arms underneath him, because as soon as they get up
to him, one of the officers, I don't know if it's officer Marquette or another
officer says, drop the gun, drop the gun or something to that effect.
They still think he has the gun even when he's on the ground.
But that's also another thing, like training wise, you're told-

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Say the things you don't mean it's like like say
the say the things right but i think at that point it
also shows that they they believed he still
had the gun right or they're just giving him commands right
they want him to drop the gun right so like whether or not he has the gun anymore
it's it doesn't matter right had the gun they're saying drop the gun drop the
gun drop the gun like that makes sense yeah yeah it's it to to me like the the

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number of shots fired you know has no bearing on this case, the,
the weather they, you know, the tactics used all peripheral.
It comes down to that one moment, that one moment where the suspect pointed
his gun. Well, it's two moments.
Yeah. Two moments. The moment he points at the tow truck driver,
police officer confronts him. And he points at a police officer.

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And he points at a police officer.
That's not murder. That's not murder. That is a, a, a reasonable level of force.
So I guess they would be saying, how would he know he's a police officer?
Right? Right. So the ambush is somebody like the tow truck driver brought somebody
with him. And this guy just says, hey, police.
And he turns off like, I guess that's but he's not alive to say what he what
he's thinking. And that's not.

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And the police can't operate in that way. You can't. You can't.
You can't be like, I'm just going to wait and see what happens here.
I think that's the other the other thing right now that a lot of people believe
is that the police are reacting to something. And they don't need to wait till
it gets more dangerous before they react in a type of situation.

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We're supposed to deescalate the situation, deescalate it, stop it.
Right. Right. That's what it means. Yes. He deescalated the situation.
That's what he did. Right. And he doesn't need to wait to take a round in his
direction to do that. No. He's faced with a deadly threat.
And again, let's remember, deceased, came out of the house with a gun. Right.

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Pointing at a tow truck driver. to truck driver like that's what
happened right like i mean that's that's what
happened it's not just some random guy walking down the street and
trying to be a good like and it got confusing it
wasn't confusing no this is a the the
guy came out to confront a tow truck driver so he would leave like he left before
right and this time it didn't happen yeah yeah and and yeah it's a completely

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i mean watching a body cam is just completely justified shooting and i just
cannot not believe that they're charging him with murder. It's crazy.
I mean, like in reality, I think tow truck drivers, like repo guys,
like, I think it should be hard to take someone's car.
And I think it is hard to take someone's car, but like, you should like,
it's, it's hard to take someone's car, but like, you can.

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So what changed this scenario? So like, if I put myself in the shoes of officers,
if, if a repo guy called me as a police officer and said, Hey,
I want you to go along with me to repo this car.
There's been rumors about this guy that he's violent, that he gets upset because
we've repoed a car of his before. Whatever. Sure.

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I'm not, my response as a police officer in Pennsylvania is like, this is a civil matter.
I'm not, we don't provide protection for repo companies. That's not what we do.
If you get there and you have a problem, call us. Right. And if it rises to
a criminal level, then we will come out.
This situation is different though. You have a repo guy reporting a crime.

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Yep. Okay. And now the officers have to, A, investigate that crime,
and B, now that a crime's been committed against a tow truck driver,
it's very likely a crime's going to be committed against them again.
So I personally don't have a problem with then going to that residence.
And again, you can talk about the tactics and talk about could have it been done differently.

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Peripheral. They came up with a plan, and that plan was lawful,
and it was driven by the suspect.
What happened after that plan
went into action? The actions that happened were driven by the suspect.
If the suspect would have came out of the house without a gun,
he wouldn't have been shot.
Right. If the suspect would have came out of the house, dropped the gun right

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away, probably wouldn't have been shot. Like, these are the suspect in these
situations. Like, he caused...
This action against him to be carried out by law enforcement officers who are
acting in a in a in a righteous legal way.
So one of the questions that might be asked, Anthony, is, is the officer allowed

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to be on this person's property?
Is the officer by law allowed to be on the deceased property?
Yeah. No, I mean, they could ask that question all you want.
So I get a report of a crime. Am I allowed to walk up to the door and knock on the door? You are.
Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I don't need a search warrant to get onto the property

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and knock on someone's door when I'm investigating a crime.
In certain situations, I need a search warrant to go into that property.
But in this case, these officers, you know, are engaged in an active criminal
investigation and, you know, they could have gone to the house,
knocked on the door and talked to this guy and possibly the same thing would have happened. Right.

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Or maybe it wouldn't have happened.
Again, you can. What if the situation to death and you cannot like the outcome of the situation,
but it comes down to did the officer act in a reasonable way under the policy
and the law of the state and general use of force policy and law in other states?

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100% yes yeah 100% and
and to charge this officer with murder i mean it's almost like they did a surveillance
it's kind of what they did yeah they basically like set up so they could watch
to make sure this guy was safe and to see if if the suspect the deceased right
was going to do something right that's basically what they did a surveillance.

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And, and it went, it went South and, and because of what the deceased did. Yeah.
Because of what he did. Yeah. The officers did not, the officers did not have
their guns out initially from what I can tell.
Yeah. I don't, I don't, you know, it didn't look like any of the officers had
their guns out initially that it looked like they were, you know,

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he came out gun pointed. Even if they did have their guns out, it doesn't matter.
The guy had already come out with a gun. Right. At least that's what they were told.
Yeah. I'd rather have my gun out than in my holster. Right. It's easier to keep
myself safe and others safe. Yeah.
And the department completely didn't back up their guys.
So three of the officers, including Officer Marquette, were terminated.

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One officer was suspended.
You got the civil litigation. What were they terminated for?
I mean, I understand. So they were terminated. The chief came out and said they violated policy.
Did he say which ones? No.
I looked and looked and looked. Look, I cannot find anything that explains what
policy they violated, just that they violated policy and they were terminated.

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So, you know, I guess the department completely threw these guys under the bus.
Which is what we're seeing more and more. We're seeing it more and more.
It's rare. I did just see one case.
I just posted some stuff on social media about it yesterday is a case out of,
I think it's Colorado Springs Police Department.
Okay. A suspect is in a stolen vehicle.

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They get in a pursuit with him. He rams a police car. Okay.
Pursuits terminated, called off. They then come across this guy.
They're tracking him. They come across him at a corner store or whatever.
Guy sees a police, runs from the police. They tase him.
He falls on like cement sidewalk, sustains an injury that paralyzed him. Okay. Okay.

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He sues the department for a hundred thousand dollars.
That department completely backed up their officer and says,
no, we're not, we're not playing that game.
We're not playing this game. This officer did acted properly within policy. And here's the thing.
You're, you're in a stolen car felony. You ram a police car felony.
Then you run from the police.

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I, you can get tased. You're a fleeing felon. Okay. I, I'm sorry.
You chose to flee on a sidewalk. Right.
After ramming a police car. You know, that's what police, like,
I don't understand why more police departments don't do that.
Oh, I know. You know exactly why. It's leadership. It's pressure. It's poor leadership.
It's pressure from, you know, all the- It's cowardice.

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It is cowardice. It is cowardice. And this guy, this suspect made,
he said, I would have rather been in prison than be paralyzed.
Sure. I'm like, well, no kidding. Yeah, of course you would.
No kidding. And maybe you should have-
Doesn't make it what the officer did wrong. Yeah, you chose what happened that day.
So he's having this big giant pity party. There are consequences for your actions. Right.

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He's having this big giant pity party press conference, and he's talking about
how he would have rather been in prison.
I'm like, well, if that's the case, then maybe you should have just stopped the car.
Yeah. So why not a reporter say, hey, aren't there consequences for your actions?
Right. That's what should have been asked. Or a reporter go- But that wasn't asked, I'm sure.
Wait a minute. Didn't you ram a police car? Right. Didn't you flee from the

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police and then ran to a police car? Then you ran?
Like no pressure. No pressure on these guys at all. Or a reporter go- Did you
ever have any consequences when you were a child?
Did your father ever do anything to you?
There are consequences for your actions. If you're a parent,
make consequences for your kids when they act out of line. Give them consequences.
Or a reporter should have asked, if you just wanted to go to prison rather than

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be paralyzed, why don't you just stop? Yeah.
Right, right, right. Because that's what would have happened.
You would have went to prison and now you wouldn't be paralyzed.
So I saw that department. And there are some out there.
Dude, that dude in Florida. Those guys are awesome, man. Some of those sheriffs,
those county sheriffs, man, those guys are wild.
I love them. And they back their guys up. Could you imagine working for a department

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like that? It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing.
And there's been times where I have worked for departments like that.
That i'd like to believe i work for a department like that
now yeah and i think i do but the
there there are departments out there that yeah they they like any type of political

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pressure any type of pushback boom that would just chuck you right under the
yeah the bus one guy i'm really into right now that i'm listening to him he's
on the sean ryan podcast i think sean ryan used to be a at Navy seal,
maybe he has a podcast, pretty popular podcast.
And he had sheriff lamb, Mark, I think it's at Mark lamb.
Sheriff Lamb, Pinal County, Arizona. This guy's awesome.

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And he's like old school, man. He's like, you know, we're going to,
you know, you have an arrest and you rough someone up because they wanted to resist.
Okay. Come work for us. If that's the type of work you want to do,
come work for us. Come do actual police work.
We'll back you up. We'll have your back. We're okay with criminals getting roughed up out here.
Basically what he says. Like we're okay with criminals getting roughed up out

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here. You know what? But I bet they don't have a problem recruiting people.
I don't think they do. I bet their department is fully loaded.
And he talks about that a little bit in this podcast.
So if you go on their social media, what's interesting too is they have like
the fluff pieces that you have to have nowadays, hug, hug, kiss,
kiss, you know, all that craziness. That you hate.

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Listen, I don't hate it, but if you're going to put the fluff pieces on,
that should be like a quarter of what's on
your social media yeah three quarters of it should be
bad guys you arrested yeah we're crushing that we're crushing the criminal
element we're crushing evildoers out here that's what
we're doing and it's so he you know he you
know i saw one video he had like you know we were great homeland security reached

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out to us and said there was a guy in our jurisdiction who was downloading child
porn we went to arrest him he he shows this guy being taken out of the the back
of a police car and walked into the police station on the video that he's recording.
I'm like, so what he's doing automatically is infusing confidence from the public

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into his police department.
He's saying to the public, listen, we're out here doing our job.
Yeah. We're keeping our community safe.
We're doing our job to keep the community safe. As best we can.
As best we can. Yeah. And that...
The public's confidence in the police department just increases.
And he talks about it. He's like, it's a bank account. And you fill that bank

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account, you know, with, hey, you know, that confidence from the public.
And then he's like, if you do have an idiot officer, do something stupid or do something criminal.
You have this huge bank account that you've created of, hey,
this is all the good stuff we've done.
These are all the bad guys we've taken off the street. now we're
dealing with this guy and we'll take care of them and he's going to go to

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jail like every other bad guy because he shouldn't have been a cop or a
sheriff in the first place he's like so he's like you don't deplete that bank
account but if all you have on is like hey this dog got lost and hey we did
coffee with the cop and blah blah yeah well have you actually arrested anyone
have you actually affected crime in my neighborhood you know what look at you
get me get me all fired I love it,

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dude. It's easy to get you fired up, man.
But either way we'll put in the, in the show, in the episode comments,
I'll put a link to the officer, this officer Marquette's website.
Cause you know, if there's someone out there who wants to support him or someone
who listens to us, that has a platform that wants to get the story out about this guy.
Like I said, his trials coming up, I think in October, maybe November,

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member and he's being charged with murder and he could be any one of us,
any, any officer who works for
an agency that would fold to pressure based purely on skin color aspect,
you know, lies that are told outcry outcry.
It's just, it's, it's so disheartening to me that this officer who's young,

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I think he's in his mid twenties.
Married, hasn't been on the job long, only been on the job maybe two,
three years and made a legal decision and now is facing murder charges and will never,
probably ever do the job again and is going to face huge financial hurdles with

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the civil stuff and his department terminating him and everything like that.
So yeah, Officer Mac Marquette, if you want to support him,
we'll put links to the story in his website videos like
links to the videos i'll put a link to the article
that has the uh the leaked body cam video i love
that somebody leaked yeah you know it's a cop oh i'm sure it's someone that

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said hey no no i'm we're not gonna let the lies lies lies lies let's put let's
just put this out here and shame on that the police department for not doing
it yeah for not doing it put the videos out there right like there there are times you can't put
it out right away, but you can, you can sanitize it.
You can put it out right away or pretty quickly.

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Yeah. And if you're doing that as a law enforcement agency, great job. Yeah.
Back your guys up. Support your people, man. They're out there.
Fill that bank up with police officers doing the work of a police officer.
You know what would be great?
You know what would be great? You plan a coffee with a cop event.

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Okay. And you somehow invite criminals to it and you arrest them.
Oh, like a... Yeah, like a reverse sting. Yeah, like a warrant. Yeah.
It's like coffee with a cop. And then, you know, invite people and say,
you know, we're having this coffee with a cop. You've won something.
As I give back to the community, we're giving out gifts and you have won a PlayStation.

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Yeah. And by the way, or Snoop Dogg album. A Snoop Dogg album.
And then you get arrested for your warrants. Yeah.
And then put that up. up that'd be awesome
put that up coffee with a cop ends in arrest that's funny
all right dude we did it man episode 16
that's a wrap as they say it's a wrap that's what we

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say in the business i hate when you say
stuff like that it's so dorky your face literally like
it's so dumb that's what
they say in the business that's not how i said it first of
all you need to that's what
they say in the the business and uh hey let me ask
you this yo you say those two things immediately i

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get annoyed i'm like i just want to shut it down and the fact that we're
media moguls that too that's the third thing you say that i can't stand it's
like token lines that you have find a different token line gary are you gonna
mow your yard today i'm gonna mow it like a champ yeah my kid's gonna mow the
yard mine aren't old enough yet yeah not yet so all right man all right dude hey good stuff.

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