May 8, 2025 • 44 mins
After joining forces with MAFS Funny, today Lachlan Guertin and Tahlia Pritchard, hosts of Confessions Of A Reality Star, discussed all things "villain" with Bryce and Melissa. Although they were once of the show's most controversial couples, they've since become one of the most successful ones... and wanted to share some things they weren't able to, until now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to the Maths Funny podcast with
me Joshua Fox. As you guys know, I recently welcomed
Lachlan Gerton and Tylie Pritchard from the Confessions of a
Reality Start podcast into the Mass Funny Family and onto
my podcast feed here, and they did a great chat
with Tory all about her recent split from Jack, which
(00:20):
you guys all listened to, and after I listened to that,
I was kind of fascinated with this part of what
is it actually like for the villain couples that do
stay together once to show ends, because like, how much
does that noise from viewers and their co stars and
even the experts who are all slating their relationship and
wanting them to fail, how much does it actually impact them?
(00:42):
So on this this week, Lachlan and Tylie are sat
down with Bryce and Melissa to talk about well this
and what it's been like for them because obviously, during
their season in twenty twenty one, they became arguably one
of the most disliked pairings of all time. But since
then they've kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Proved everybody wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
They've married for real.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They've got two beautiful children who you can hear playing
around them during this interview, and some of the things
they said during this interview even I was surprised about,
including the phone call that Bryce received from expert mel
Shilling long after filming wrapped, which I'm not sure she's
gonna want people to know about, but Bryce said it,
(01:23):
and now you guys can hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hello, Bryce and Melissa, thanks for coming on Confessions of
a Reality Star.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Oh, thank you for having us.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
So it's been four years since you guys are on
our TV screens. You're quite a controversial couple. People to
this day still have like a lot of commentary, a
lot of judgment about your relationship. How does it feel
like four years on you have become a success story,
but to still have people feeling like they know you
and that they have the right to comment on you
(01:56):
guys and where you're at.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Honestly, we were on a reality TV show, so we've
left ourselves open to have our relationship assessed and judged
by everybody. So it just it just comes with it.
So long as we know our own relationship, that's perfectly fine.
But honestly, it doesn't. It doesn't. It used to really
upset me because now I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, look, I think twelve months post show it probably
affected us more, and more so me because I was
probably the brund of it and probably caused that controversial tank.
But honestly, now our foye is online, it's like a
dropped off. To be fair, probably when we got married
for real, I reckon that we kind of just went night.
(02:38):
I might be completely wrong with my judgment, but the
way that I see now is we're kind of lost
it and it's just all love and support. Which it's
a nice feeling because it kind of would be good
to have that feeling four years ago when we're doing
the show.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Absolutely, and I guess there's been so many other people
now that have gone through the show experience and can
kind of.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Take the label right. Each year there's a different villain.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's so funny. I did an interview a couple of
months ago and Matt started this season like we've heard
this and that about certain people, and I was like, yeah,
you never know until you see come out. But honestly,
some of these blokes made me look like an absolute state.
Like I was like base level, Like these guys are
common ever, so they they hit the top like I
don't know how they're going to get any worse than
some of these guys. I hate judging them saying that
(03:21):
they're worse than ready because everyone is kind of under
the same lebel end of the day's a villain or whatnot,
or controversial, but people do other things like that are
a bit more controversial than myself, like unin punchable, but
I gave a chickah that I should not and really
get doing. So there's different worlds, but I probably don't
(03:42):
think they were a bit more controversial than me.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's interesting thinking back, like so much has obviously happened
in the four years since you're on the show. You've
had your twins, you've gotten married in real life, so
it's easy to almost forget about the mass experience. I'm
sure you've tried to many times. But in preparing for
this interview, we kind of went back that headspace of
the twenty twenty one news cycle. We found a few
headlines just to kind of bring back the I guess
(04:08):
the fact that you were in the headlines pretty much
every day every week, especially you bryce. These are some
of the headlines that stood out. The man who made
me turn off married at first sight for good heavy,
it's us against the world. Married at First Sights Melissa
and Bryce forcefully deny claims their relationship is toxic. Yeah,
(04:28):
there were investigations. Married at First Sight has been cleared
by a media watchdog overclaims of gas lighting. In its
latest eighth season, Bryce and Melissa's season of Married at
First Site cleared of breach over abuse complaints. And then
it wasn't even just the news cycle. There were also
lawyers weighing in is Bryce from Married at First Sight
(04:49):
committing family violence?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, I do remember that one.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I actually hear that one of you.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Actually, that was one of the only ones that I
did see us our screenshot is that Actually that was yeah, very.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Oh you're surprised them the last one. I didn't have
the last one. The other ones I've heard of because
I don't read some repeat But look, I guess similar
to like the previous seasons the last couple of years,
Like there's a narrative and the media help drive it
and not say singling you two for example. But there's
like people that are in space that you guys are too,
like whether it's podcasts like your news outlets, they do
(05:27):
drive a narrative that's given to them from the lie
or in the mole, and like it's just it comes out.
You hear people say how they're showing and what loo
it's it is true, Like it's not great to hear
test's going out and say, hey, look it's the ed.
But you've got to think what you've seen is clearly
there and was part of myself, asks people doing the experiment,
(05:49):
but what wasn't shown as well because you can't fit
everything in. So there's obviously more to someone than what
you see on that show, which is I guess why
people and you say to me more than anyone, Like
I said, to gravitate towards people who get the villain label,
and I don't know whether it's the empathy that I've
been their shoes and they reach out and say, hey,
how is it? How do you hear look like you
(06:10):
navigate this craziness. But to be honest with the pop
I get the villain at it. On these shows, a
number of the genuinely nice people away from the show,
the ones that get the great label and look like
angels and get the good at it, are onto the
ones with the biggest egos. They're very much so self
absorbed and they're not nice people. So it's yeah, it's
(06:33):
so funny how this show creates characters and then you
get headlines like that, which I'll create a character as
well in the public space.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Why do you think that is too with the people
that kind of go on to maybe get the good
edit so to speak. Do you think production or the
network sees something in them to propel them into like
a more celebrity status or whatever it is?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Bitty yes, and though to me, I purely put it
down to heavy to be a producer puppet, like you're
happy to be the one that goes and starts a
drama like this year we saw Jamie on that, so
like I've never met Jamie, that was spokano, but you
can clearly tell her she was in there being told
if Nation from produced sty you go and did a party?
(07:15):
If you say this you so that bring it up
like she's only been shown that context of creating conversations
amongst the dinner table or in a group setting. So
that is such an obvious sign that the producers loved her.
And yeah, people like people didn't enjoy it. I've got
nixed feelings on how I felt towards up sound good
so bad? Yeah, I don't know if just to me,
(07:37):
that's a prime example this year with Jamie. She was
clearly producing puppet and they're trying to hate a picture
up Now. I might be wrong, she might be lovely, and.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Hopefully she is Melissa for you. Obviously Bryce did get
the villain at it. You had a lot of people
weighing in, whether it was media, whether it was fans
of the show, whether it was people on the show.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
How was that experience for you?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Because correct me, if i we're onto Bryce, I think
in once at any interview, maybe that you know, Melissa
did speak up for herself. You guys had all these
chats and whatever, and it just was never shown.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It was quite a disappointing experience looking back on it
now considering what we lived through and what actually happened
during our time filming, but then to see what was
shown it was it was just so just so starkly
different to what I'd lived and having people weigh in
(08:34):
on our relationship. I clearly wasn't in a very I
wasn't an experienced personal relationship, so I was hearing all
these difference in opinion from people from all over the
world about how my relationship should be. And look, the
relationship was ever perfect, one perfect from the beginning. We
never that wasn't ever something that we were trying to promote.
(08:57):
But we were happy with our relationship and we were
building on it, and we were complete strangers when we
first met, so of course it was never going to
be perfect. But having everybody have their say, people are
obviously providing their own real life examples and situations, and
looking back, it wasn't great at the time, but now
(09:18):
I see it as an opportunity that the show has,
mainly from our season, opened the door to discussions about narcissism,
gas lighting, coercive control, all of those horrible relationship you know,
incidents that happened that many people have gone through, and
(09:39):
what may have been perceived as what happened with us,
I think isn't true. It is edited, The whole series
is edited. But I think it was a good opportunity
for that conversation to open that door for those conversations,
and here we are now. I think that would be
highlighted as one of the top words gas lighting, narcissism.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, we probably put it in a mass dictionary, So
I think it's.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
A good thing.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
No fact, when you both watched the show, and even
now when you look back after four years, what would
you each say was your biggest regret from the whole experience.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
For biggest regrets, I definitely have to put up there,
don't that's the biggest. But the biggest I would be
being so gullible to retreat experience. Obviously it didn't look
good and I haven't said that on the show. It
didn't reflect Whine as a person, that whole interaction with
(10:39):
back I kind of would have just stuck to my
guns all that night and just separated myself from everyone,
Like you can go back and see it. UK was
like clearly away from everyone else, like at the very
edge of around chair, Like it's we couldn't have tried
to yeah situation anymore if we try. But I think
that's what we might be to regret, because just what
(11:00):
followed in the show added. But I agree with everything
that was being written because it did all that way.
Like for me, it's an outside I didn't look anything
else but that it's just being completely stupid, so I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
There's nothing I really regret that maybe just I was.
I was so open and honest, but it just sort
what edits without? Like you know, people go, you didn't
stand up for yourself. You're a doormat and you only
see an hour an hour's worth of footage while we're filming,
(11:34):
as everybody says, twelve fourteen, sixteen hours a day.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So it's.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Just it was It's funny, like how was just said
about being open and honest? Like people probably think that
my biggest regrett is put in with fourth in that
I must forget off forgot that one. That's obviously regret
because of what hindsight's a wonderful thing. But at the
same time too, being honest in those early stages kind
of built the foundation for our stories today. Like there's
(12:03):
obviously context missing at conversations like at that I put
in the retreat, but I said, look, would I go
up to you? Are probably not the rest of that
conversation went to But that's why I've come to it's
a mass the experiment to change my way to go
other that sort of real niche target. I was looking
for a female so but again that didn't make for
(12:23):
interesting TV. So it's like, oh, would I go up
to the bar. Probably not slice sites cut it out
so it's you can see what but that whole conversation
yourself looks negative on screen, but actually there at the
time was good care.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, man, what was that experience?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
When the show starts airing on TV? You're kind of
reliving the lowest of lows in your relationships and the
moments of the fights and when you're not talking to
each other, and then you find out that you are pregnant,
which is arguably one of the highest of highs in
a relationship. How did you navigate that experience?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It was difficult. Thankfully we had a good support network
around us in terms of our family and friends. Yeah,
it was. It was tricky, but I basically just shut
myself off from the show it being filmed, it aired,
there was nothing we could do about it except about
living our lives. And probably more fortunate for us that
we didn't want because we weren't, because we weren't a
(13:22):
couple that were considered successful. Even though we were, you
didn't see us all of the billboards and at the
lots of Grammy's getting invited that like we we obviously weren't.
We weren't put up in spotlights, which you know, it
was sad at the time and still is because you
(13:44):
want to be you want to you want your relationship
to be, to be you know, loved and appreciated and
shown as being successful. But it's what made us quite humble.
And we've just gone back to our lives. We still
do things with social media and you know, go to
the odd event here, and then you know, we've got jobs, family,
(14:05):
you know, we still struggle to make ends meet with finances.
We're just like everybody else at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
It is interesting you bring that up too, because I
think it was like, obviously the twenty nineteen season, the
Jewels and cam love story was so promoted and whatever,
and then you guys are like the most successful couple
from your season, and what were you just like dropped?
Did you feel like dropped by the network? Not supported
by the network?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I looked to me, there was ever that Camon Jewels
Love network anyway, So you can't be if you don't
have it. I really languish that we've.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Had just the support even to even today. Deright that
for me, like you watch Max still, you know, yeah,
I watched it this season and I haven't watched it
since our season. And you know, psychology and psychiatrists are expensive.
You know that's that's older is still there that I
(15:01):
still have to pay for myself now, So even just
a little bit of support, you know, he and go,
here's a lifetime psychiatrist for you would have been great,
but left to our own devices, now we're on our own.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There have only been a handful of couples that are
still together after being matched by the experts. So it
is a bit wild to think that you guys, being
one of that small group that you're not celebrated by
a Channel nine. Is not this recognition from fans that wow,
they are the ones that made it. Have you had
those sort of discussions or any discussions with other success
(15:38):
couples about what it's like or is there a private
group chat of all the math success stories. Is there
anything like that.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
For a chat and saying good she might to others
but not us on a level. But yeah, no, there's not.
I remember when Jack and Tory last year we caught
up with them and had a bit of a chat,
like just about general life and whatnot. Obviously no longer
to get up, but that like I suppose like that
(16:09):
was still keen to sort of have a chat and whatnot,
like heard nothing from Ree and Jeff Jack and like
people reach out to us have to have a conversation,
like I'll never go and reach out to them that way.
It's like if people want to touch base us and say, hey,
how do you navigate this crypt et cetera, I'm having
(16:30):
answer afraid or have a chat or like respond to
a message like I'm not going to be rare and
just ignore it because I would have appreciated that support
when we did it. So that's why I look at it.
But no, it's just I don't know, like in terms
of the whole thing. Celebrated the news like and having
that connection, it's like it is what it is. Like
remember last year we were in Sydney and we had
(16:52):
someone from Channel nine was a digital team, was something
to us about they were asking those dinner party things
they do on the website. If we were ask if
we were interested in doing it, because I said that
are really keen to do it. Anytime that something goes
up about us, it's their biggest hits on their website,
so they want to try and make something of it.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Was it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, we have a conversation you want, never had the conversation,
never came Duncan and never learned doing it. So it's
like stuff like that. And honestly, dugd is a great blake.
Don't know much about Evelyn, but Dublan's cool. But I'm
just like, that's a prime example, like they test the waters,
something must happen, and then never ranged bacs. It's like,
you probably probably do it because we'll give people a
(17:32):
different perspective on us as actual novel people speaking to
you now. So I think maybe it's a case that
Channel and Iron just doesn't want to admit that they
will roll with us. Maybe that's the case. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean that specific example is interesting because Duncan and Evelyn,
I mean, I've always had great interactions with them. I
like them as a couple, but they weren't a couple
matched by the experts. They're not a success story. And
when nine has this small group of success stories to
choose from, that instead championning this other mismatched couple. So
it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
It wouldn't been.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Nice just to even you know, they said, you know,
after after filming, you know, you just don't hear from production. Ever, again,
you don't hear from the psychologist that you spoke to
and you know, gave everything to everything about your life
too for months, and it's yeah, it's just it's just silence.
And it just wouldn't been nice even if they were,
(18:26):
you know, they someone that EPs had quite a bit
to say about us after the show, and it just
would have been nice eating to get in the room
and sit down and actually say hey, like you know,
clear the air maybe, or or go okay, well, this
is why you know, you were purely there for entertainment.
It just it just kind of was like crickets.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So I will bring up one situation that did happen
poshow that surprised me when we announced that we're engaged
and expecting the boys. I remember I put a post
up at the time and might even been a story,
and someone read it was like a Q box and
someone put on there had the experts and have reached
out to checking and see how you're going. And I
(19:06):
put somebody like, you're kidding yourself, right, like you saw
how I treated this. To her credit, I'll give her
a slight bit of credit. Mel Shirling actually reached out
ya Instagram and said, hey, Bryce, don't give you a call.
So I remember, we're in a car driving from Mornington
up to Norwourn in the city, which is about for
those who don't know, gift to me as the car,
(19:26):
and she calls when we're driving up there, and that
conversation was a bit. It was interesting because she's like,
you know that, like technical, we're not allowed to do this.
We can't follow participants, we're not supposed to speak to them,
contracting all sort of stuff like even doing this now,
I'm breaking my contractual agreemance with Trail Run. At end
of myle and I said, I was very polite, so off,
but in my mind, we're getting your full shit because
(19:48):
you follow ex participant. You always commentated on me, so
I've seen you responding on place and I'm like again,
it's like it's that, it's one thing I can't say.
It was like fake your us and like respect to
mel don't know she's gone through some personal stuff and
to help them, I hope to go well. Same time
to him, like it's that fake. Nice to be fair
(20:09):
of John, Like if John ever called me, I'd tell
him to go jump, because he to me, was probably
the most fake out of all of them. Off camera,
you'd go through the hallways at that warehouse, like Bryce
mate in the last side. Always loved it on the couch,
so Bryce told me while we were Dickhead, and then
at the end of the expa me. He's like, Bryce,
(20:30):
I made it. Loved watching you. I can't wait to
watch a back Australia and I love watching you. They're
all of a sudden, Hey, where was the damn from
john saying congrats guys on them getting engaged in the twins,
like very happy for you, like fake nice I saw
summed him up so perfectly, and I'm so glad that
he got a Josh box that got the video of
him like the Current Affairs style have you like? That
(20:52):
was him to a tee, Like I never college on
stuff on so medi about masks, but that's one thing
I had to because I was like, he literally summed
it up in a sixty secondary on Instagram. What Johnny's
like as a person like that was so like, don't
know the right word, like contradicting of him and any
he says like the legal and Josh saying I'll make
you do this. I'm like, mate, what's yourself back on
(21:13):
this reel? What just on the show? And then how
you can duct this off off camera while filming show
and then work out why people don't have that respect
or positive to say about you?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And now you know why production does the likes.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, in that conversation with mel two, how long did
it go for? So did she kind of was she
like apologetic about anything or was it more like congrats guys?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, apologizing that apologizing, but like I was saying that
she was happy for us and was probably about her
fifteen minute call. And yeah, it was like just saying
I like this more so explaining why she hadn't reached
up personally like Alessandra. To be fair, she's got an excuse.
She was on the outside of the world. Yeah, it
(21:58):
also has Instagram all I've gone at the distance. But
so again it's that sort of you know, but again
respect that she reached out you whatnot. Yeah, it was
an interesting folk called. Again, I can imagine a Maths contract.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I wanted to throw to our surprise guest question.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes we got sent a mystery question.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No it's John.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We got to send a question from a maths participant.
They were on your season. I think you have a
good relationship with them, so you don't have to turn
to be stressed about this. But this is what they
had to say.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Hey, guys, it's Belle. I hope you're doing well in Queensland,
but I miss you down here in Melwoyn. So I've
always been a big supporter of your relationship. I feel
like you guys have always been super strong and gotten
through anything. So my question for you would be what
advice would you give couples that are facing outside judgment
(23:01):
or opinions about their relationship, whether this comes from family
or friends or random people. I know you guys unfortunately
experienced a lot of that in your relationship, and I
think it does happen to a lot of couples. So
what advice would you give those couples that are facing
that sort of negative judgment and opinions?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Good luck? I do love we love Belt.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So for anyone that doesn't know, that was Belinda from
your season Great Friends, now one of the only two
people that you're still in touch with, mel, how would
you answer that.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
This was a question that came up a few times
over the years when people would message me.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
And say, you know, thank you for highlighting your relationship
by I often get I don't get the same level
of support and from my own family and friends that
say that my relationship.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Is unhealthy or toxic. I think it was just for
our relationship. It was a good opportunity to open those
doors for discussion and people know if they're in a
relationship that's not healthy or there's there's underlying issues. It's
just about a matter of being able to have those
open conversations, recognize the signs where you may be struggling.
(24:15):
You may need support outside of the existing support you
have now, whether it be professional support, but it is.
It is a tricky one because nobody knows your relationship
but you, and you're the only person that can fix it.
So it's hard because I don't want to be I
don't want to be a relationship expert. What I went
(24:37):
through is vastly different to what people go through in
their day to day lives, and I would just suggest
reaching out to somebody that you trust, maybe someone that's
not in your inner circle, but more so where mental
health plans or an option getting that professional support. That's
what I did.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, that's been the most common message where you get
since the shows like watching you two still being together
on the show and backing each other up kind of
reminded them of their own relationships, saying, oh, like my
parents or like our family don't like our partner, but
we've got a really good relationship and we know we do.
It's like, well, I always sort of have said to
(25:17):
people that come from the street and basically said that
it's like, well, just back yourself, being like, if you've
got your gun feeling that it's right for you, then
see it out and then at some point it might
come a time where that judgment does change. That could
happen for us one day. It highly is very likely
it won't touch because she's a keep up for life,
but that can happen, and like feelings change, like there
(25:38):
was no secret post or appreciator. Sorry that I'd been
a couple of relationships, some were good, some were not good,
just a fore you. But so like I'm going to
feel like I've learned from different legships in the past
and brought into our current relationship and that's what's making
it work because I've made mistakes in the past and
I'm the boss. Yeah, And basically, whereas pans purpose so
(26:02):
I do.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
That's what massed in me, and that's a.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Pretty much the case. At the same time too, it's
like when you know what you've got between the two
of you and having that communication, Like we definitely argue
and have disagreements more often than probably not, but we
get over them very quickly, we resolve it, we move on.
But then that's kind of built the foundation of our
marriage what it is now so.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Kind of interesting, I think too, Like that's what a
real relationship is, where sometimes on the show, the success
couples are the ones that they're not even shown arguing
or they're not shown having disagreements, whereas, like we all know,
in real life, when you're part of a partnership, you
don't agree on every single thing, or you have moments
where you're just pissed off at each other or whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It is.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well on the show itself, I don't think we actually
had one argument that was I think we might have
had one disagreement and it wasn't even due to anything
that one of us did. It was an external song argument.
I'm here, Yeah, the fake, fake.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Argument where we appeared to have been fighting right before
we shound the pouch. We hadn't spoken to each other.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
But that was just it was like, you've got to
hold the argument you had, and you know, when we
get on the couch, you've got to be really angry
and frustrated at each other and then tell the experts
what happened.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
And it was just kind of like, I'm not I'm
not good at acting.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
I'm just oh, that is such a wild directive to.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Actually, we did have another fake argument. Remember the second day,
asked the wedding where we're in a holding motel?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, all the fake arguments are coming out?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Should I share up?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
So we just got married and we were on the
way to our honeymoons in the middle of a fort,
but we had to get to a holding motel on
the way on the Hawks River. And anyway, it was
we got married on a Friday, and I got a
text for my ex to you once on a Saturday morning.
I know, it was quite spiebab. It was like a
like getting mad today, hate what it's all worth? The light
(28:07):
one like it was pretty not great. But anyway, I
told Liz like off camera and I was like, oh,
so makes just sitting this like how did she been know?
Like we haven't spoken for like well over six months.
And anyway, I went and told our coupin's producer because
they're ato getting to know her and see what she
was like. And she's like, oh my god, like have
(28:30):
you told listen to she? And now I said, oh, yeah,
I told her before and she's like, she come, that's
gonna be on camera. And then we're sitting in my
tour room and then she comes in an hour later,
so you know how you told me about that text message?
Like yeah, and she's like we've got to re enact
it and we're like what the help and we're like
it's not hobing away, like where are we going? Like
you didn't know, Lisa, we had this.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Thing and I'm like it was it was the worst.
You can tell. You can tell I'm clearly when you
go I got an a text message from my expart
and I'm.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Just like, oh, I really want to go back and
rewatch that now.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Made the car it's not shown, remember any mean, we're
like they're going to show this is going to be
so awkward to watch.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, because your acting was too bad.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Because I kept say because I didn't care. I like, well,
and they're like you've got at least you can't just
say that you've got care like it's his it's his
ex fiance, and I'm going, but I don't care, and
the camera right in my sakes and they just keep
saying it. You've got to he's got to get more emotional,
you know, you need to say how sit you are?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Like really, I was out at the pool and boxy
outside room, I'm like, oh my god, she's going to
break up for me on day two.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yes, so it was cringe.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I wish it made it. They didn't, unfortunately that.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
So it's good to know that perspective too, because I
feel like even the commentary on couples throughout every season,
I know, like a lot this season, Jeff and Ree
were called boring a lot, and they were just like, oh,
they're like talking about their feeling to each other.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Seems really awkward.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
It's like, yeah, because it's probably like the fourth time
they're trying to have this conversation on camera and try
to like Jeff giving read his key or whatever to
move in and she's like thanks.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
It was like he obviously didn't do it for the
first time on camera.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, what's right if.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The ring isn't in the right, you know, don't you
ring on the angle? Then you've got to turn the
ring over and make sure, then go film it again
and get the close up of the ring. And this
this is what they always wanted us to do on camera,
always churning out our wedding bands. So you have to
do it in a very obvious way and just the
show doubt or yeah, yeah, yeah, to like yeah, look anxious.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Ringburn, give us a pensive look and think about something
sad and what makes you emotional? Just it. I'm like,
mine doesn't sit me going off.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Well, that's what they did with Dave this season too.
Do you remember when they first are showing the cracks
with him and Jamie in their relationship. They're like zooming
in on him on the couch, like fidgeting and playing
with is when in right?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
And yeah, yeah, I love all.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
This inside tea, like the different ways that you can
like make you guys seem more anxious and more tense
and what you probably were.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
There are some scenes as well when they're getting ready
for a dinner party and they like splash water on
their face and I'm just thinking, like, what are they
trying to build here, like, I can't imagine them asking
the person to okay, now, can you just look in
the mirror and question yourself and wash your face? Like
that would be so intense, and it's the fuck.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
So we just need to apply your lipstick, get great,
you're working off, and do it again. So you just
you're constantly doing the same thing over and over again.
And it felt like one of the worst jobs on earth,
especially for me, because I just it did feel like work.
Every day. Yeah, doing and having to do it over
and over and over again was it was so tiring
(31:48):
and frustrating, and you just you.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Do feel yeah, no, the in the beginning, oh so
it's new to you. It's all exciting and fun. But
then come that the dinner party, and then you bit like, okay,
there's only so long you'll tolerate sitting in a hot
tenth in a warehouse. You're already going to give me
under the fire because you can hear the voice down
the hallway and they're having fun and clinking glasses and
(32:10):
scarring beers, and it's like when you're seeing a tent
with paving twists, the bottle of water getting ready to
be abused. For half now this is good. And then
you're coming sweating and it's like, oh my god, like,
why are you sweating? It's looks some anxious it's gonna
be seeing a ten hour backs for an hour waiting
to come in like.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
It's being hard hostage.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
God Like, look you get the three experts. I'm like,
oh my god. Bryce looks like he's like under pressure.
He's like he's really hot and leaves like fluster and
I'm like, no, I'm proviously hydrated to be fairlightes Yeah,
play on that too.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
It's it's well, I think kind of every season, especially now,
people are getting more vocal even while the show's airing,
Like a lot of the cast are going rogue this
season about it all and kind of Melissa you saying
it was like going to work every day, going to
a job every day. Do you think participants are compensated
fairly to be on the show, because you know, the
(33:02):
rumor over the years is the pay is not very good.
You're being propelled out to however many million Australians who
are going to judge you in your relationship for the
next few months or years, and you're working twelve hour
days essentially, if not more, and giving up jobs and
giving up lifestyles. Do you think participants should be compensated
(33:22):
more fairly for being on the show.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Actually, I don't. I think if you sign up for
this show, then that's that's the risk you're taking, and
you do take that risk of getting the villain edit
and whatever edit you want to call it, if you
make that choice like we did. We made the choice
and it was it wasn't good for us financially, And
if I had just done a little bit more research
(33:46):
then Apple rule would have made it more informed decision.
But then at the mored of the day, people signed
up the show because a lot the fame most of
them do, especially now, it's definitely changed since our seasons,
the earlier seasons where it was, you know, you still
have people that wanted to be on TV and the
majority of us, you know, we do want to find love.
(34:07):
I would have to say now just looking, because I
don't watch the show, but I see it all over
my Instagram and I'm Yahoo and all over Google. It
pops up constantly, and it just doesn't feel like it
has the same authenticity anymore. So if you choose to
go on the show, I don't think I think the
compensation is you know, you getting compensated as a producer
scene after the show.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
There's been a lot of talk, I feel like, particularly
this year, about the future of maps as well, and
like you guys kind of pointed out before, less people
going in for the love story quote unquote, and more
cast going rogue as the show's on and trying to
like tell their side of the story as it's airing.
Do you see a long future for the show still
(34:52):
or do you think people are becoming kind of too
smart and too aware now to believe everything that's been
shown on our screens.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
No, to be honest with you, I've read articles saying
at the show could get stand and whatnot. That show
is going though away any time zero if it continues
to make sure online money. You guys know as well
as I do in the media, if something's bringing revenue,
it's cementing. As long as that is the ant cracks
and charts the pieces, So they'll just keep finding people
to do it. People will happily be doing it. I've
(35:22):
already had one person message me on Instagram saying I've applied.
I've had a chat with a producer on Zoom and whatnot,
Like I'm doing this testing. What do you think I said?
Good luck. I'm not going to go out here and say, oh,
go and do it, you'll love it or not. Don't
do it because I had a crap experience, Like everyone
have their own experience with it, Like the thing.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Is, it'll be unfortunately. I just I just see something
awful happening. Yeah, I yeah, yeah, I don't want to
say what, but it's just something terrible is going to happen.
You pick the wrong person like I was supposed to
be on the show. According to the psychologist, she said
that they had to actually really push to get me
(36:04):
in because of my former mental health issues. I believe
they said the same or something similar to Jake at
the time because he worked for mental health charity and
the effects it could have. So really, I'm I'd be
intrigued to see all those testing and all those psychological
tests that I did. I'd been interested to give them
(36:25):
to my new psychiatrist to show them what, you know,
should I have gone on? Should I have actually been
allowed to participate? He's moving forward. If you're not careful
and somebody does get are some guy At the beginning
of this season, that he was a lovely girl and
he's a teacher.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Oh Tim, was it Tim?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
So only from what I've read, he's just getting absolutely
slammed and I couldn't. I don't know him, I don't
know what went on the show, But I just feel
for people that are just absolutely hounded online and in person,
and you just don't know what people are capable of.
Not stinkty, yes, but you don't know what people are
(37:10):
capable of, and it doesn't really matter and what kind
of edit they get. You know, they might get a
great edit, they might they might come off the show
looking fantastic, but then it just might not be something
that suits everybody. And they're concerning that we're pushing we're
pushing people too far with this type of entertainment.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I still think that if it did get to that
point where something horrific happened, like or are starting, I
still don't think that will in the show be fair.
It might tote them down or reassessing how they go
about it, but it will never end it. That shows
you to stay.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
So yeah, their producers and I guess the network always
pushed the message that they have psychological support there that
participants are looked after all that kind of stuff. Is
that only during the duration of the show, and then after,
like you were saying earlier, you kind of left to
your own devices.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what it's like now, Yeah,
but we do. I've never received a shred support since,
as I said, any psychologists I've seen the psychiatrists that
I see. I've faced it up myself, and that's you know,
it's not cheap, what four or five years on and
(38:28):
I didn't expect the show to fund that, but it's
just nothing. It's just complete silence and not even any
tools to strategize how to manage it moving forward, even
the long term. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of
like being in a job and having going through this
erotic experience and then just being kicked out the door
and good luck and hope you survived it. And if
(38:50):
you don't, well you signed a contract.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, but show psychologists borne you there filming with production.
She was love with al and great with different tools
and stuff like that. But at the same time too,
there was one thing that I had mentioned to her
that I had told nobody else at all. I told
Liz and I know Liz would not have said any
repeated information, but somehow a executive, like a higher produce
(39:18):
like not the not Tara, one of the other ones,
but one of the little range ones, came back and
allude to a comment that I made to the psychologist
two weeks prior, and I said, there's no way possible
that anyone wouldn't know that.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Do you have conversations now about how you tell the
kids when they're older, because we were. We interviewed Cyral
last year and she was saying that, you know, her
and Eden have to talk about how they raise their
son and like the stuff that she's been called online
and all that kind of stuff when he's old enough
to understand that. Do you guys worry about that with
your boys?
Speaker 10 (39:52):
I do, definitely, But honestly, it's just about you know,
they can They'll be able to find any footage content online,
but it's just more about how we raise them and
how they how they see us in our family at home,
in our family dynamic.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
That's the most important thing. And just to teach them
that you know about trolls and about bullying and not
to take that information or take that feedback on board
and just see what their mum and dad is like
and how how they're being raised. That's the most important thing.
We can't can't control anything else.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
One final question, just to bring everything full circle. I
think we both know the answer to this, but we've
been dying to ask you. You both at certain points
blocked us individually on Instagram. Bryce, I believe we're unblocked.
Less you still have Talia blocked.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
It's fine, I understand. I'd like to say I understand, well,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
We understand the reason why. But from your perspective, why
block Australian journalists? What was your motive there?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I don't remember blocking you. I'm so sorry what I'm
very I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I don't even remember that you don't.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
You don't have to apologize because I think, with the
benefit of hindsight and now covering this show for a
lot longer, there's ways that journalists tackle things that when
you learn more about the show, you probably wouldn't write
recaps in the same way.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
So I'm also sorry for whatever I reported on you
guys back in the That's the thing that.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I can think of is if I blocked somebody i'd obviously,
especially from a journal's perspective, I've read something that I
will set me in the mind. Oh, I don't want
to interact. But it's funny. I've written quite a few
articles from me with my blog, and I had them
blocks because one of their articles they wrote about me
was quite perriftic. Back in the day. It was more
(41:43):
just I've blocked so many people in media because I did.
I saw something that I didn't like. I didn't that
I read or saw, And yes, I just I went
on blocking spring My list are so extensive.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Well, you have to protect your piece too, Like I again,
if I was in that position, I'll be blocking people left,
right and center.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, And my purely was to the fact that, yeah,
I would have read something that I didn't like. I
just knew it wasn't in your need a true and
it's it's a moss of just you two.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
There's ended endlessly, So it's not personal.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Take it personally, but I would.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Take it personally from back then.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
But I'm glad we got to clear the air though.
That was the main reason why we organize this so
we could ask that. So I'm glad we're all good.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
No, I mean I have these conversations. I think we've
had this conversation too as journalists. The way the show
moves and the way we cover the shows and what
we've learned over the years changes so much about how
you want to report on it too, Like how I
reported on The Bachelor in twenty seventeen is so different.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
To how I would do it eight years on.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
When you learn more about what people are going through
during these experiences instead of just being like you're almost
seem like fictionalized people on TV and you have to
remember that you're real people as well.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I just wish the Australian public was sort of more
like the UK. The UK gets it, but the UK
audience gets shows like masks like that's why we've got
such people in the UK and we were loved over
it because they are mistated it where they loved us
over there where australis, but it's like it's Australia had
more of an understanding that the UK does. You can
(43:16):
find a much better space on social media, like say
journalism as well, it would be so different.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Amazing. Well, thank you so much for your time today.
We appreciate it so much.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Thank you for money us on and promise we'll be
able to interact a lot more.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Now we'll start a group on Instagram now once you
just love telling. Thanks so much though, Thank you guys,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Lachlan and Tylier have just posted some more from this
interview like a bonus extra bit, onto their podcast feeds,
So if you search up Confessions of a Reality Start
you can go listen to that. If you want to
check out and hear more, I will link it in
the description and also give them a following Instagram if
you want to at Confessions of a Reality Star.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
The audio in this.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Episode was edited by Sophie Coghill and and yeah, I
will see you soon.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Goodbye,
Hello, and welcome back to the Maths Funny podcast with
me Joshua Fox. As you guys know, I recently welcomed
Lachlan Gerton and Tylie Pritchard from the Confessions of a
Reality Start podcast into the Mass Funny Family and onto
my podcast feed here, and they did a great chat
with Tory all about her recent split from Jack, which
(00:20):
you guys all listened to, and after I listened to that,
I was kind of fascinated with this part of what
is it actually like for the villain couples that do
stay together once to show ends, because like, how much
does that noise from viewers and their co stars and
even the experts who are all slating their relationship and
wanting them to fail, how much does it actually impact them?
(00:42):
So on this this week, Lachlan and Tylie are sat
down with Bryce and Melissa to talk about well this
and what it's been like for them because obviously, during
their season in twenty twenty one, they became arguably one
of the most disliked pairings of all time. But since
then they've kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Proved everybody wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
They've married for real.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They've got two beautiful children who you can hear playing
around them during this interview, and some of the things
they said during this interview even I was surprised about,
including the phone call that Bryce received from expert mel
Shilling long after filming wrapped, which I'm not sure she's
gonna want people to know about, but Bryce said it,
(01:23):
and now you guys can hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hello, Bryce and Melissa, thanks for coming on Confessions of
a Reality Star.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Oh, thank you for having us.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
So it's been four years since you guys are on
our TV screens. You're quite a controversial couple. People to
this day still have like a lot of commentary, a
lot of judgment about your relationship. How does it feel
like four years on you have become a success story,
but to still have people feeling like they know you
and that they have the right to comment on you
(01:56):
guys and where you're at.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Honestly, we were on a reality TV show, so we've
left ourselves open to have our relationship assessed and judged
by everybody. So it just it just comes with it.
So long as we know our own relationship, that's perfectly fine.
But honestly, it doesn't. It doesn't. It used to really
upset me because now I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, look, I think twelve months post show it probably
affected us more, and more so me because I was
probably the brund of it and probably caused that controversial tank.
But honestly, now our foye is online, it's like a
dropped off. To be fair, probably when we got married
for real, I reckon that we kind of just went night.
(02:38):
I might be completely wrong with my judgment, but the
way that I see now is we're kind of lost
it and it's just all love and support. Which it's
a nice feeling because it kind of would be good
to have that feeling four years ago when we're doing
the show.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Absolutely, and I guess there's been so many other people
now that have gone through the show experience and can
kind of.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Take the label right. Each year there's a different villain.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's so funny. I did an interview a couple of
months ago and Matt started this season like we've heard
this and that about certain people, and I was like, yeah,
you never know until you see come out. But honestly,
some of these blokes made me look like an absolute state.
Like I was like base level, Like these guys are
common ever, so they they hit the top like I
don't know how they're going to get any worse than
some of these guys. I hate judging them saying that
(03:21):
they're worse than ready because everyone is kind of under
the same lebel end of the day's a villain or whatnot,
or controversial, but people do other things like that are
a bit more controversial than myself, like unin punchable, but
I gave a chickah that I should not and really
get doing. So there's different worlds, but I probably don't
(03:42):
think they were a bit more controversial than me.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's interesting thinking back, like so much has obviously happened
in the four years since you're on the show. You've
had your twins, you've gotten married in real life, so
it's easy to almost forget about the mass experience. I'm
sure you've tried to many times. But in preparing for
this interview, we kind of went back that headspace of
the twenty twenty one news cycle. We found a few
headlines just to kind of bring back the I guess
(04:08):
the fact that you were in the headlines pretty much
every day every week, especially you bryce. These are some
of the headlines that stood out. The man who made
me turn off married at first sight for good heavy,
it's us against the world. Married at First Sights Melissa
and Bryce forcefully deny claims their relationship is toxic. Yeah,
(04:28):
there were investigations. Married at First Sight has been cleared
by a media watchdog overclaims of gas lighting. In its
latest eighth season, Bryce and Melissa's season of Married at
First Site cleared of breach over abuse complaints. And then
it wasn't even just the news cycle. There were also
lawyers weighing in is Bryce from Married at First Sight
(04:49):
committing family violence?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, I do remember that one.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I actually hear that one of you.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Actually, that was one of the only ones that I
did see us our screenshot is that Actually that was yeah, very.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Oh you're surprised them the last one. I didn't have
the last one. The other ones I've heard of because
I don't read some repeat But look, I guess similar
to like the previous seasons the last couple of years,
Like there's a narrative and the media help drive it
and not say singling you two for example. But there's
like people that are in space that you guys are too,
like whether it's podcasts like your news outlets, they do
(05:27):
drive a narrative that's given to them from the lie
or in the mole, and like it's just it comes out.
You hear people say how they're showing and what loo
it's it is true, Like it's not great to hear
test's going out and say, hey, look it's the ed.
But you've got to think what you've seen is clearly
there and was part of myself, asks people doing the experiment,
(05:49):
but what wasn't shown as well because you can't fit
everything in. So there's obviously more to someone than what
you see on that show, which is I guess why
people and you say to me more than anyone, Like
I said, to gravitate towards people who get the villain label,
and I don't know whether it's the empathy that I've
been their shoes and they reach out and say, hey,
how is it? How do you hear look like you
(06:10):
navigate this craziness. But to be honest with the pop
I get the villain at it. On these shows, a
number of the genuinely nice people away from the show,
the ones that get the great label and look like
angels and get the good at it, are onto the
ones with the biggest egos. They're very much so self
absorbed and they're not nice people. So it's yeah, it's
(06:33):
so funny how this show creates characters and then you
get headlines like that, which I'll create a character as
well in the public space.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Why do you think that is too with the people
that kind of go on to maybe get the good
edit so to speak. Do you think production or the
network sees something in them to propel them into like
a more celebrity status or whatever it is?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Bitty yes, and though to me, I purely put it
down to heavy to be a producer puppet, like you're
happy to be the one that goes and starts a
drama like this year we saw Jamie on that, so
like I've never met Jamie, that was spokano, but you
can clearly tell her she was in there being told
if Nation from produced sty you go and did a party?
(07:15):
If you say this you so that bring it up
like she's only been shown that context of creating conversations
amongst the dinner table or in a group setting. So
that is such an obvious sign that the producers loved her.
And yeah, people like people didn't enjoy it. I've got
nixed feelings on how I felt towards up sound good
so bad? Yeah, I don't know if just to me,
(07:37):
that's a prime example this year with Jamie. She was
clearly producing puppet and they're trying to hate a picture
up Now. I might be wrong, she might be lovely, and.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Hopefully she is Melissa for you. Obviously Bryce did get
the villain at it. You had a lot of people
weighing in, whether it was media, whether it was fans
of the show, whether it was people on the show.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
How was that experience for you?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Because correct me, if i we're onto Bryce, I think
in once at any interview, maybe that you know, Melissa
did speak up for herself. You guys had all these
chats and whatever, and it just was never shown.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It was quite a disappointing experience looking back on it
now considering what we lived through and what actually happened
during our time filming, but then to see what was
shown it was it was just so just so starkly
different to what I'd lived and having people weigh in
(08:34):
on our relationship. I clearly wasn't in a very I
wasn't an experienced personal relationship, so I was hearing all
these difference in opinion from people from all over the
world about how my relationship should be. And look, the
relationship was ever perfect, one perfect from the beginning. We
never that wasn't ever something that we were trying to promote.
(08:57):
But we were happy with our relationship and we were
building on it, and we were complete strangers when we
first met, so of course it was never going to
be perfect. But having everybody have their say, people are
obviously providing their own real life examples and situations, and
looking back, it wasn't great at the time, but now
(09:18):
I see it as an opportunity that the show has,
mainly from our season, opened the door to discussions about narcissism,
gas lighting, coercive control, all of those horrible relationship you know,
incidents that happened that many people have gone through, and
(09:39):
what may have been perceived as what happened with us,
I think isn't true. It is edited, The whole series
is edited. But I think it was a good opportunity
for that conversation to open that door for those conversations,
and here we are now. I think that would be
highlighted as one of the top words gas lighting, narcissism.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, we probably put it in a mass dictionary, So
I think it's.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
A good thing.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
No fact, when you both watched the show, and even
now when you look back after four years, what would
you each say was your biggest regret from the whole experience.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
For biggest regrets, I definitely have to put up there,
don't that's the biggest. But the biggest I would be
being so gullible to retreat experience. Obviously it didn't look
good and I haven't said that on the show. It
didn't reflect Whine as a person, that whole interaction with
(10:39):
back I kind of would have just stuck to my
guns all that night and just separated myself from everyone,
Like you can go back and see it. UK was
like clearly away from everyone else, like at the very
edge of around chair, Like it's we couldn't have tried
to yeah situation anymore if we try. But I think
that's what we might be to regret, because just what
(11:00):
followed in the show added. But I agree with everything
that was being written because it did all that way.
Like for me, it's an outside I didn't look anything
else but that it's just being completely stupid, so I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
There's nothing I really regret that maybe just I was.
I was so open and honest, but it just sort
what edits without? Like you know, people go, you didn't
stand up for yourself. You're a doormat and you only
see an hour an hour's worth of footage while we're filming,
(11:34):
as everybody says, twelve fourteen, sixteen hours a day.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So it's.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Just it was It's funny, like how was just said
about being open and honest? Like people probably think that
my biggest regrett is put in with fourth in that
I must forget off forgot that one. That's obviously regret
because of what hindsight's a wonderful thing. But at the
same time too, being honest in those early stages kind
of built the foundation for our stories today. Like there's
(12:03):
obviously context missing at conversations like at that I put
in the retreat, but I said, look, would I go
up to you? Are probably not the rest of that
conversation went to But that's why I've come to it's
a mass the experiment to change my way to go
other that sort of real niche target. I was looking
for a female so but again that didn't make for
(12:23):
interesting TV. So it's like, oh, would I go up
to the bar. Probably not slice sites cut it out
so it's you can see what but that whole conversation
yourself looks negative on screen, but actually there at the
time was good care.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, man, what was that experience?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
When the show starts airing on TV? You're kind of
reliving the lowest of lows in your relationships and the
moments of the fights and when you're not talking to
each other, and then you find out that you are pregnant,
which is arguably one of the highest of highs in
a relationship. How did you navigate that experience?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It was difficult. Thankfully we had a good support network
around us in terms of our family and friends. Yeah,
it was. It was tricky, but I basically just shut
myself off from the show it being filmed, it aired,
there was nothing we could do about it except about
living our lives. And probably more fortunate for us that
we didn't want because we weren't, because we weren't a
(13:22):
couple that were considered successful. Even though we were, you
didn't see us all of the billboards and at the
lots of Grammy's getting invited that like we we obviously weren't.
We weren't put up in spotlights, which you know, it
was sad at the time and still is because you
(13:44):
want to be you want to you want your relationship
to be, to be you know, loved and appreciated and
shown as being successful. But it's what made us quite humble.
And we've just gone back to our lives. We still
do things with social media and you know, go to
the odd event here, and then you know, we've got jobs, family,
(14:05):
you know, we still struggle to make ends meet with finances.
We're just like everybody else at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
It is interesting you bring that up too, because I
think it was like, obviously the twenty nineteen season, the
Jewels and cam love story was so promoted and whatever,
and then you guys are like the most successful couple
from your season, and what were you just like dropped?
Did you feel like dropped by the network? Not supported
by the network?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I looked to me, there was ever that Camon Jewels
Love network anyway, So you can't be if you don't
have it. I really languish that we've.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Had just the support even to even today. Deright that
for me, like you watch Max still, you know, yeah,
I watched it this season and I haven't watched it
since our season. And you know, psychology and psychiatrists are expensive.
You know that's that's older is still there that I
(15:01):
still have to pay for myself now, So even just
a little bit of support, you know, he and go,
here's a lifetime psychiatrist for you would have been great,
but left to our own devices, now we're on our own.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There have only been a handful of couples that are
still together after being matched by the experts. So it
is a bit wild to think that you guys, being
one of that small group that you're not celebrated by
a Channel nine. Is not this recognition from fans that wow,
they are the ones that made it. Have you had
those sort of discussions or any discussions with other success
(15:38):
couples about what it's like or is there a private
group chat of all the math success stories. Is there
anything like that.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
For a chat and saying good she might to others
but not us on a level. But yeah, no, there's not.
I remember when Jack and Tory last year we caught
up with them and had a bit of a chat,
like just about general life and whatnot. Obviously no longer
to get up, but that like I suppose like that
(16:09):
was still keen to sort of have a chat and whatnot,
like heard nothing from Ree and Jeff Jack and like
people reach out to us have to have a conversation,
like I'll never go and reach out to them that way.
It's like if people want to touch base us and say, hey,
how do you navigate this crypt et cetera, I'm having
(16:30):
answer afraid or have a chat or like respond to
a message like I'm not going to be rare and
just ignore it because I would have appreciated that support
when we did it. So that's why I look at it.
But no, it's just I don't know, like in terms
of the whole thing. Celebrated the news like and having
that connection, it's like it is what it is. Like
remember last year we were in Sydney and we had
(16:52):
someone from Channel nine was a digital team, was something
to us about they were asking those dinner party things
they do on the website. If we were ask if
we were interested in doing it, because I said that
are really keen to do it. Anytime that something goes
up about us, it's their biggest hits on their website,
so they want to try and make something of it.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Was it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, we have a conversation you want, never had the conversation,
never came Duncan and never learned doing it. So it's
like stuff like that. And honestly, dugd is a great blake.
Don't know much about Evelyn, but Dublan's cool. But I'm
just like, that's a prime example, like they test the waters,
something must happen, and then never ranged bacs. It's like,
you probably probably do it because we'll give people a
(17:32):
different perspective on us as actual novel people speaking to
you now. So I think maybe it's a case that
Channel and Iron just doesn't want to admit that they
will roll with us. Maybe that's the case. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean that specific example is interesting because Duncan and Evelyn,
I mean, I've always had great interactions with them. I
like them as a couple, but they weren't a couple
matched by the experts. They're not a success story. And
when nine has this small group of success stories to
choose from, that instead championning this other mismatched couple. So
it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
It wouldn't been.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Nice just to even you know, they said, you know,
after after filming, you know, you just don't hear from production. Ever, again,
you don't hear from the psychologist that you spoke to
and you know, gave everything to everything about your life
too for months, and it's yeah, it's just it's just silence.
And it just wouldn't been nice even if they were,
(18:26):
you know, they someone that EPs had quite a bit
to say about us after the show, and it just
would have been nice eating to get in the room
and sit down and actually say hey, like you know,
clear the air maybe, or or go okay, well, this
is why you know, you were purely there for entertainment.
It just it just kind of was like crickets.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
So I will bring up one situation that did happen
poshow that surprised me when we announced that we're engaged
and expecting the boys. I remember I put a post
up at the time and might even been a story,
and someone read it was like a Q box and
someone put on there had the experts and have reached
out to checking and see how you're going. And I
(19:06):
put somebody like, you're kidding yourself, right, like you saw
how I treated this. To her credit, I'll give her
a slight bit of credit. Mel Shirling actually reached out
ya Instagram and said, hey, Bryce, don't give you a call.
So I remember, we're in a car driving from Mornington
up to Norwourn in the city, which is about for
those who don't know, gift to me as the car,
(19:26):
and she calls when we're driving up there, and that
conversation was a bit. It was interesting because she's like,
you know that, like technical, we're not allowed to do this.
We can't follow participants, we're not supposed to speak to them,
contracting all sort of stuff like even doing this now,
I'm breaking my contractual agreemance with Trail Run. At end
of myle and I said, I was very polite, so off,
but in my mind, we're getting your full shit because
(19:48):
you follow ex participant. You always commentated on me, so
I've seen you responding on place and I'm like again,
it's like it's that, it's one thing I can't say.
It was like fake your us and like respect to
mel don't know she's gone through some personal stuff and
to help them, I hope to go well. Same time
to him, like it's that fake. Nice to be fair
(20:09):
of John, Like if John ever called me, I'd tell
him to go jump, because he to me, was probably
the most fake out of all of them. Off camera,
you'd go through the hallways at that warehouse, like Bryce
mate in the last side. Always loved it on the couch,
so Bryce told me while we were Dickhead, and then
at the end of the expa me. He's like, Bryce,
(20:30):
I made it. Loved watching you. I can't wait to
watch a back Australia and I love watching you. They're
all of a sudden, Hey, where was the damn from
john saying congrats guys on them getting engaged in the twins,
like very happy for you, like fake nice I saw
summed him up so perfectly, and I'm so glad that
he got a Josh box that got the video of
him like the Current Affairs style have you like? That
(20:52):
was him to a tee, Like I never college on
stuff on so medi about masks, but that's one thing
I had to because I was like, he literally summed
it up in a sixty secondary on Instagram. What Johnny's
like as a person like that was so like, don't
know the right word, like contradicting of him and any
he says like the legal and Josh saying I'll make
you do this. I'm like, mate, what's yourself back on
(21:13):
this reel? What just on the show? And then how
you can duct this off off camera while filming show
and then work out why people don't have that respect
or positive to say about you?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And now you know why production does the likes.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, in that conversation with mel two, how long did
it go for? So did she kind of was she
like apologetic about anything or was it more like congrats guys?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, apologizing that apologizing, but like I was saying that
she was happy for us and was probably about her
fifteen minute call. And yeah, it was like just saying
I like this more so explaining why she hadn't reached
up personally like Alessandra. To be fair, she's got an excuse.
She was on the outside of the world. Yeah, it
(21:58):
also has Instagram all I've gone at the distance. But
so again it's that sort of you know, but again
respect that she reached out you whatnot. Yeah, it was
an interesting folk called. Again, I can imagine a Maths contract.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I wanted to throw to our surprise guest question.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yes we got sent a mystery question.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No it's John.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
We got to send a question from a maths participant.
They were on your season. I think you have a
good relationship with them, so you don't have to turn
to be stressed about this. But this is what they
had to say.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Hey, guys, it's Belle. I hope you're doing well in Queensland,
but I miss you down here in Melwoyn. So I've
always been a big supporter of your relationship. I feel
like you guys have always been super strong and gotten
through anything. So my question for you would be what
advice would you give couples that are facing outside judgment
(23:01):
or opinions about their relationship, whether this comes from family
or friends or random people. I know you guys unfortunately
experienced a lot of that in your relationship, and I
think it does happen to a lot of couples. So
what advice would you give those couples that are facing
that sort of negative judgment and opinions?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Good luck? I do love we love Belt.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So for anyone that doesn't know, that was Belinda from
your season Great Friends, now one of the only two
people that you're still in touch with, mel, how would
you answer that.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
This was a question that came up a few times
over the years when people would message me.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
And say, you know, thank you for highlighting your relationship
by I often get I don't get the same level
of support and from my own family and friends that
say that my relationship.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Is unhealthy or toxic. I think it was just for
our relationship. It was a good opportunity to open those
doors for discussion and people know if they're in a
relationship that's not healthy or there's there's underlying issues. It's
just about a matter of being able to have those
open conversations, recognize the signs where you may be struggling.
(24:15):
You may need support outside of the existing support you
have now, whether it be professional support, but it is.
It is a tricky one because nobody knows your relationship
but you, and you're the only person that can fix it.
So it's hard because I don't want to be I
don't want to be a relationship expert. What I went
(24:37):
through is vastly different to what people go through in
their day to day lives, and I would just suggest
reaching out to somebody that you trust, maybe someone that's
not in your inner circle, but more so where mental
health plans or an option getting that professional support. That's
what I did.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, that's been the most common message where you get
since the shows like watching you two still being together
on the show and backing each other up kind of
reminded them of their own relationships, saying, oh, like my
parents or like our family don't like our partner, but
we've got a really good relationship and we know we do.
It's like, well, I always sort of have said to
(25:17):
people that come from the street and basically said that
it's like, well, just back yourself, being like, if you've
got your gun feeling that it's right for you, then
see it out and then at some point it might
come a time where that judgment does change. That could
happen for us one day. It highly is very likely
it won't touch because she's a keep up for life,
but that can happen, and like feelings change, like there
(25:38):
was no secret post or appreciator. Sorry that I'd been
a couple of relationships, some were good, some were not good,
just a fore you. But so like I'm going to
feel like I've learned from different legships in the past
and brought into our current relationship and that's what's making
it work because I've made mistakes in the past and
I'm the boss. Yeah, And basically, whereas pans purpose so
(26:02):
I do.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
That's what massed in me, and that's a.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Pretty much the case. At the same time too, it's
like when you know what you've got between the two
of you and having that communication, Like we definitely argue
and have disagreements more often than probably not, but we
get over them very quickly, we resolve it, we move on.
But then that's kind of built the foundation of our
marriage what it is now so.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Kind of interesting, I think too, Like that's what a
real relationship is, where sometimes on the show, the success
couples are the ones that they're not even shown arguing
or they're not shown having disagreements, whereas, like we all know,
in real life, when you're part of a partnership, you
don't agree on every single thing, or you have moments
where you're just pissed off at each other or whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It is.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well on the show itself, I don't think we actually
had one argument that was I think we might have
had one disagreement and it wasn't even due to anything
that one of us did. It was an external song argument.
I'm here, Yeah, the fake, fake.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Argument where we appeared to have been fighting right before
we shound the pouch. We hadn't spoken to each other.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
But that was just it was like, you've got to
hold the argument you had, and you know, when we
get on the couch, you've got to be really angry
and frustrated at each other and then tell the experts
what happened.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
And it was just kind of like, I'm not I'm
not good at acting.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
I'm just oh, that is such a wild directive to.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Actually, we did have another fake argument. Remember the second day,
asked the wedding where we're in a holding motel?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, all the fake arguments are coming out?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Should I share up?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
So we just got married and we were on the
way to our honeymoons in the middle of a fort,
but we had to get to a holding motel on
the way on the Hawks River. And anyway, it was
we got married on a Friday, and I got a
text for my ex to you once on a Saturday morning.
I know, it was quite spiebab. It was like a
like getting mad today, hate what it's all worth? The light
(28:07):
one like it was pretty not great. But anyway, I
told Liz like off camera and I was like, oh,
so makes just sitting this like how did she been know?
Like we haven't spoken for like well over six months.
And anyway, I went and told our coupin's producer because
they're ato getting to know her and see what she
was like. And she's like, oh my god, like have
(28:30):
you told listen to she? And now I said, oh, yeah,
I told her before and she's like, she come, that's
gonna be on camera. And then we're sitting in my
tour room and then she comes in an hour later,
so you know how you told me about that text message?
Like yeah, and she's like we've got to re enact
it and we're like what the help and we're like
it's not hobing away, like where are we going? Like
you didn't know, Lisa, we had this.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Thing and I'm like it was it was the worst.
You can tell. You can tell I'm clearly when you
go I got an a text message from my expart
and I'm.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Just like, oh, I really want to go back and
rewatch that now.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Made the car it's not shown, remember any mean, we're
like they're going to show this is going to be
so awkward to watch.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, because your acting was too bad.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Because I kept say because I didn't care. I like, well,
and they're like you've got at least you can't just
say that you've got care like it's his it's his
ex fiance, and I'm going, but I don't care, and
the camera right in my sakes and they just keep
saying it. You've got to he's got to get more emotional,
you know, you need to say how sit you are?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Like really, I was out at the pool and boxy
outside room, I'm like, oh my god, she's going to
break up for me on day two.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yes, so it was cringe.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I wish it made it. They didn't, unfortunately that.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
So it's good to know that perspective too, because I
feel like even the commentary on couples throughout every season,
I know, like a lot this season, Jeff and Ree
were called boring a lot, and they were just like, oh,
they're like talking about their feeling to each other.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Seems really awkward.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
It's like, yeah, because it's probably like the fourth time
they're trying to have this conversation on camera and try
to like Jeff giving read his key or whatever to
move in and she's like thanks.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
It was like he obviously didn't do it for the
first time on camera.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, what's right if.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The ring isn't in the right, you know, don't you
ring on the angle? Then you've got to turn the
ring over and make sure, then go film it again
and get the close up of the ring. And this
this is what they always wanted us to do on camera,
always churning out our wedding bands. So you have to
do it in a very obvious way and just the
show doubt or yeah, yeah, yeah, to like yeah, look anxious.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Ringburn, give us a pensive look and think about something
sad and what makes you emotional? Just it. I'm like,
mine doesn't sit me going off.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Well, that's what they did with Dave this season too.
Do you remember when they first are showing the cracks
with him and Jamie in their relationship. They're like zooming
in on him on the couch, like fidgeting and playing
with is when in right?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
And yeah, yeah, I love all.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
This inside tea, like the different ways that you can
like make you guys seem more anxious and more tense
and what you probably were.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
There are some scenes as well when they're getting ready
for a dinner party and they like splash water on
their face and I'm just thinking, like, what are they
trying to build here, like, I can't imagine them asking
the person to okay, now, can you just look in
the mirror and question yourself and wash your face? Like
that would be so intense, and it's the fuck.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
So we just need to apply your lipstick, get great,
you're working off, and do it again. So you just
you're constantly doing the same thing over and over again.
And it felt like one of the worst jobs on earth,
especially for me, because I just it did feel like work.
Every day. Yeah, doing and having to do it over
and over and over again was it was so tiring
(31:48):
and frustrating, and you just you.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Do feel yeah, no, the in the beginning, oh so
it's new to you. It's all exciting and fun. But
then come that the dinner party, and then you bit like, okay,
there's only so long you'll tolerate sitting in a hot
tenth in a warehouse. You're already going to give me
under the fire because you can hear the voice down
the hallway and they're having fun and clinking glasses and
(32:10):
scarring beers, and it's like when you're seeing a tent
with paving twists, the bottle of water getting ready to
be abused. For half now this is good. And then
you're coming sweating and it's like, oh my god, like,
why are you sweating? It's looks some anxious it's gonna
be seeing a ten hour backs for an hour waiting
to come in like.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
It's being hard hostage.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
God Like, look you get the three experts. I'm like,
oh my god. Bryce looks like he's like under pressure.
He's like he's really hot and leaves like fluster and
I'm like, no, I'm proviously hydrated to be fairlightes Yeah,
play on that too.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
It's it's well, I think kind of every season, especially now,
people are getting more vocal even while the show's airing,
Like a lot of the cast are going rogue this
season about it all and kind of Melissa you saying
it was like going to work every day, going to
a job every day. Do you think participants are compensated
fairly to be on the show, because you know, the
(33:02):
rumor over the years is the pay is not very good.
You're being propelled out to however many million Australians who
are going to judge you in your relationship for the
next few months or years, and you're working twelve hour
days essentially, if not more, and giving up jobs and
giving up lifestyles. Do you think participants should be compensated
(33:22):
more fairly for being on the show.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Actually, I don't. I think if you sign up for
this show, then that's that's the risk you're taking, and
you do take that risk of getting the villain edit
and whatever edit you want to call it, if you
make that choice like we did. We made the choice
and it was it wasn't good for us financially, And
if I had just done a little bit more research
(33:46):
then Apple rule would have made it more informed decision.
But then at the mored of the day, people signed
up the show because a lot the fame most of
them do, especially now, it's definitely changed since our seasons,
the earlier seasons where it was, you know, you still
have people that wanted to be on TV and the
majority of us, you know, we do want to find love.
(34:07):
I would have to say now just looking, because I
don't watch the show, but I see it all over
my Instagram and I'm Yahoo and all over Google. It
pops up constantly, and it just doesn't feel like it
has the same authenticity anymore. So if you choose to
go on the show, I don't think I think the
compensation is you know, you getting compensated as a producer
scene after the show.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
There's been a lot of talk, I feel like, particularly
this year, about the future of maps as well, and
like you guys kind of pointed out before, less people
going in for the love story quote unquote, and more
cast going rogue as the show's on and trying to
like tell their side of the story as it's airing.
Do you see a long future for the show still
(34:52):
or do you think people are becoming kind of too
smart and too aware now to believe everything that's been
shown on our screens.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
No, to be honest with you, I've read articles saying
at the show could get stand and whatnot. That show
is going though away any time zero if it continues
to make sure online money. You guys know as well
as I do in the media, if something's bringing revenue,
it's cementing. As long as that is the ant cracks
and charts the pieces, So they'll just keep finding people
to do it. People will happily be doing it. I've
(35:22):
already had one person message me on Instagram saying I've applied.
I've had a chat with a producer on Zoom and whatnot,
Like I'm doing this testing. What do you think I said?
Good luck. I'm not going to go out here and say, oh,
go and do it, you'll love it or not. Don't
do it because I had a crap experience, Like everyone
have their own experience with it, Like the thing.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Is, it'll be unfortunately. I just I just see something
awful happening. Yeah, I yeah, yeah, I don't want to
say what, but it's just something terrible is going to happen.
You pick the wrong person like I was supposed to
be on the show. According to the psychologist, she said
that they had to actually really push to get me
(36:04):
in because of my former mental health issues. I believe
they said the same or something similar to Jake at
the time because he worked for mental health charity and
the effects it could have. So really, I'm I'd be
intrigued to see all those testing and all those psychological
tests that I did. I'd been interested to give them
(36:25):
to my new psychiatrist to show them what, you know,
should I have gone on? Should I have actually been
allowed to participate? He's moving forward. If you're not careful
and somebody does get are some guy At the beginning
of this season, that he was a lovely girl and
he's a teacher.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Oh Tim, was it Tim?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
So only from what I've read, he's just getting absolutely
slammed and I couldn't. I don't know him, I don't
know what went on the show, But I just feel
for people that are just absolutely hounded online and in person,
and you just don't know what people are capable of.
Not stinkty, yes, but you don't know what people are
(37:10):
capable of, and it doesn't really matter and what kind
of edit they get. You know, they might get a
great edit, they might they might come off the show
looking fantastic, but then it just might not be something
that suits everybody. And they're concerning that we're pushing we're
pushing people too far with this type of entertainment.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I still think that if it did get to that
point where something horrific happened, like or are starting, I
still don't think that will in the show be fair.
It might tote them down or reassessing how they go
about it, but it will never end it. That shows
you to stay.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
So yeah, their producers and I guess the network always
pushed the message that they have psychological support there that
participants are looked after all that kind of stuff. Is
that only during the duration of the show, and then after,
like you were saying earlier, you kind of left to
your own devices.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what it's like now, Yeah,
but we do. I've never received a shred support since,
as I said, any psychologists I've seen the psychiatrists that
I see. I've faced it up myself, and that's you know,
it's not cheap, what four or five years on and
(38:28):
I didn't expect the show to fund that, but it's
just nothing. It's just complete silence and not even any
tools to strategize how to manage it moving forward, even
the long term. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of
like being in a job and having going through this
erotic experience and then just being kicked out the door
and good luck and hope you survived it. And if
(38:50):
you don't, well you signed a contract.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, but show psychologists borne you there filming with production.
She was love with al and great with different tools
and stuff like that. But at the same time too,
there was one thing that I had mentioned to her
that I had told nobody else at all. I told
Liz and I know Liz would not have said any
repeated information, but somehow a executive, like a higher produce
(39:18):
like not the not Tara, one of the other ones,
but one of the little range ones, came back and
allude to a comment that I made to the psychologist
two weeks prior, and I said, there's no way possible
that anyone wouldn't know that.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Do you have conversations now about how you tell the
kids when they're older, because we were. We interviewed Cyral
last year and she was saying that, you know, her
and Eden have to talk about how they raise their
son and like the stuff that she's been called online
and all that kind of stuff when he's old enough
to understand that. Do you guys worry about that with
your boys?
Speaker 10 (39:52):
I do, definitely, But honestly, it's just about you know,
they can They'll be able to find any footage content online,
but it's just more about how we raise them and
how they how they see us in our family at home,
in our family dynamic.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
That's the most important thing. And just to teach them
that you know about trolls and about bullying and not
to take that information or take that feedback on board
and just see what their mum and dad is like
and how how they're being raised. That's the most important thing.
We can't can't control anything else.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
One final question, just to bring everything full circle. I
think we both know the answer to this, but we've
been dying to ask you. You both at certain points
blocked us individually on Instagram. Bryce, I believe we're unblocked.
Less you still have Talia blocked.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
It's fine, I understand. I'd like to say I understand, well,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
We understand the reason why. But from your perspective, why
block Australian journalists? What was your motive there?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I don't remember blocking you. I'm so sorry what I'm
very I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I don't even remember that you don't.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
You don't have to apologize because I think, with the
benefit of hindsight and now covering this show for a
lot longer, there's ways that journalists tackle things that when
you learn more about the show, you probably wouldn't write
recaps in the same way.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
So I'm also sorry for whatever I reported on you
guys back in the That's the thing that.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I can think of is if I blocked somebody i'd obviously,
especially from a journal's perspective, I've read something that I
will set me in the mind. Oh, I don't want
to interact. But it's funny. I've written quite a few
articles from me with my blog, and I had them
blocks because one of their articles they wrote about me
was quite perriftic. Back in the day. It was more
(41:43):
just I've blocked so many people in media because I did.
I saw something that I didn't like. I didn't that
I read or saw, And yes, I just I went
on blocking spring My list are so extensive.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Well, you have to protect your piece too, Like I again,
if I was in that position, I'll be blocking people left,
right and center.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, And my purely was to the fact that, yeah,
I would have read something that I didn't like. I
just knew it wasn't in your need a true and
it's it's a moss of just you two.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
There's ended endlessly, So it's not personal.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Take it personally, but I would.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Take it personally from back then.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
But I'm glad we got to clear the air though.
That was the main reason why we organize this so
we could ask that. So I'm glad we're all good.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
No, I mean I have these conversations. I think we've
had this conversation too as journalists. The way the show
moves and the way we cover the shows and what
we've learned over the years changes so much about how
you want to report on it too, Like how I
reported on The Bachelor in twenty seventeen is so different.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
To how I would do it eight years on.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
When you learn more about what people are going through
during these experiences instead of just being like you're almost
seem like fictionalized people on TV and you have to
remember that you're real people as well.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
I just wish the Australian public was sort of more
like the UK. The UK gets it, but the UK
audience gets shows like masks like that's why we've got
such people in the UK and we were loved over
it because they are mistated it where they loved us
over there where australis, but it's like it's Australia had
more of an understanding that the UK does. You can
(43:16):
find a much better space on social media, like say
journalism as well, it would be so different.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Amazing. Well, thank you so much for your time today.
We appreciate it so much.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Thank you for money us on and promise we'll be
able to interact a lot more.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Now we'll start a group on Instagram now once you
just love telling. Thanks so much though, Thank you guys,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Lachlan and Tylier have just posted some more from this
interview like a bonus extra bit, onto their podcast feeds,
So if you search up Confessions of a Reality Start
you can go listen to that. If you want to
check out and hear more, I will link it in
the description and also give them a following Instagram if
you want to at Confessions of a Reality Star.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
The audio in this.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Episode was edited by Sophie Coghill and and yeah, I
will see you soon.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Goodbye,
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