EP03 - LL Cool J: Hey Lover (Featuring Boyz II Men) - Remember The Record

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Hey, Red. What's up, man? You remember the record? What record you talking about, man?
Talking about Hey Lover by LL Cool J, man. Boyz II Men. God damn, I remember that record.
Yeah? Shoot, man. That's the best record in the world. Fuck your bug.
Let's talk about it, all right? Yo, what's up, Corner Stoners?
My name is Johnny Warbux.
Once again, I am here with Kalashnikov Red.

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And welcome to our fourth installment of Remember the Record.
And today we are talking about the hit classic Hey Lover by LL Cool J featuring
Boys II Men which was first released as a single back on october 31st 1995.
Now before we talk about all that in honor of the recent passing against the
blue i'd like to ask for a moment of silent diet yeah most stuff yeah rest in

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peace yeah yeah rest in peace for reals for reals pioneer man one uh at some
point another we'll be talking about you on this uh on this show for sure man she had some,
She had some skill, and she had some attitude.
She had everything, man. She had looks. Yep, yep. Shoot, man.
Pioneer, too. I mean, like, the whole, all this mumble rap you hear on the radio today, right?

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All that stuff started, that triple time, that was her and her cat, dude.
Yep. That influenced me on my flows as well. Definitely influenced me on my flows. Hardcore.
Hardcore. All right. Let's get back to this. All right, guys. All right. Look, look.
So I'm going to go ahead and hit you with some song facts about Hey Lover, okay? Real quick.
Obviously by LL Cool J, Boyz II Men.

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Boyz II Men consists of Nathan and Wanda Morris, Sean Stockman,
and Mike Bass, Michael McCary.
The date of the single release, October 31st, 1995. The B-side was the I Shot
You remix with Keith Murray, Prodigy Fat Joe, and at the time,
grand debut, Foxy Brown. Did you know that's how she came out?

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I had no idea. Yeah, that was her big step into the scene.
Wow, I thought it was with the Jews. No, man, I thought that was pretty wild.
We can talk about that in a minute too, because there's some interesting side
notes there. But first album appearance, Mr. Smith, November 21st, 1995.
That was LL Cool J's sixth album, recorded at Stone Creek. That's in Gladwin, Pennsylvania.

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Released on Def Jam in Manhattan, New York, which was founded back in 1984,
Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons.
Producers are Trackmasters, also known as Poke and Tone.
Written by LL Cool J. And then a note for the Invisible Man,
Rod Temperton, who passed away in 2016.
Originally from the band Heat Wave, he was recruited by Quincy Jones to write

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and compose songs for Michael Jackson.
And it's that song credit that gave him that, for the sample,
that he got writing notes.
So that so in turn that contained the song contains
a sample from michael jackson's the lady in my life
from 1982's thriller album which was
one of only two songs that weren't actual singles from the album really yeah

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that was one of the songs that yeah you're right i don't remember that being
said so so so lady in my life a deep cut yeah that's that's that's wild to me
man that is because you know that's a banger but i mean it also had to go contend
against you i mean yeah Yeah,
the whole fucking album.
Star Sutton, all of that shit. Every single one of those records.

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All of those are good, man. You have Paul McCartney on that album?
Yeah, I forgot about that shit.
And get this, the drums in Hey Lover, they're from All Night Long by the Mary Jane Girls.
So the opening, when the songs start, so that opening drum piece,
they sample that, and that's the whole shit for Hey Lover.

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I didn't hear it. I didn't know that until I hear it. And I'm like, my head, I'm like, okay.
I would imagine that that's been sampled a thousand times. And that album was
their self-title album released back in 1983.
83. Hey Lover is 4 minutes, 46 seconds long.
Time for some certifications this is a song that

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went platinum in the u.s 1997 grammy for
best rap solo performance l.o cool's jay's
second since mama said knock you out back in
92 mama said knock you out so mr smith uh in the album mr smith went double
platinum yeah okay okay there's a massive right here's a massive record for
a big comeback record yeah it was 14 shots in the dome didn't do yeah no i'm

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like yeah he was kind of and I love that album too. Boom, man.
It just came out with that. And then he kept going after that.
He got Phenomenon coming up next.
Yep. Just some big-ass records.
Yeah, let's go ahead and talk about it, dude. What's up? You know,
I had the first album of LL Cool J.

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No, it wasn't the first. I had Walk With The Panther. Walk With The Panther. Second one, right?
Yeah. Dude, I don't think that's his second album, bro. I don't.
I don't think so, no. And I thought, no, you're right. No, no, no.
Anyways, I had that one. And I grew up listening to LL throughout my childhood.
And the one thing that I do give to LL as an MC is he's so versatile.

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So he could come in with, I mean, love.
You skip up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. Correction,
correction, correction.
But no, he has. I was like 10 out of 9 walking with the father.
Yeah. Yeah, so he has like, he comes with like, I Need Love,
to some, Mama Said Knock You Out,

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to, you know, like that whole like, ladies lover type thing.
And then he comes out with this.
This song, to me, was...
It just it just proved how versatile he was and it just made me like appreciate
him a lot more and at the time you know it was the 90s so you had motel or not

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motel yet r b like mixing in with,
hip-hop and like you know i always say like the baddest gangsters in the 90s
still got down with like boys to men you know what i mean and like that was
the beauty of that time especially that And I think that depicted that time
where it was the fusion between those two genres. And it was a beautiful thing.

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And the video was amazing.
The girl was hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the biggest impact that it had for me was we were in eighth grade.
And eighth or ninth, no, seventh or eighth grade. So we were getting into the
realm of girls. And we were getting into the realm of sex.
And that song in my head, I was like, this is the best song to have sex with.

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I was having sex at that time but i was like you know
i was like this is it right on our lovemaking
set tapes man but yeah
dude that's hilarious so yeah i mean no no and then eventually i got to the
age where you know i was having sex and that was one of the songs that we you
know got down on so you know it's it's a it that song in particular l.l impacted

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l.l impacted my life as an mc but that song in particular had an impact.
Soundtrack of our bedrooms, yeah. That's what it was.
Car rides on and to and from dates. That's what it was.
Dude, that's so funny, man. I was a late bloomer into rap, and so when I started
listening to the music, it was around eighth, like, probably in the ninth grade,

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like around ninth grade, right?
And this album had just dropped, and so by this point, people were like,
oh, man, LL Cool J got a new album coming out, And so for me,
this was like my this was the introduction to a local gym shore in some kind of fashion I heard like,
you know, I'm bad or or knock you out, you know, like I'm sure I had heard it

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but this was the first time I was like, I'm,
Coming home get on BET to watch this video right like and see this really really amazing.
This this record that just at the time i hear
this song and it makes me think of specific people right yeah yeah
yeah and it makes me
it makes me think of specific people in a specific time period

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of my life right and and i think for a lot of people that
are watching the show can relate to that right like i
mean the whole thing where he's like last week i saw you at
the mall like like that's that's that was that was our
life that might be a bygone era i don't know people still doing that
but man we used to like as a crew we'd like
what go to the wall say goody go get

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the records go see the movie you know
wander and just wander you know where else to go just wander around the
mall security would break us yeah we were gang modules how
many people was it i think it was like three or more
we had more than six or seven something like we used to roll like
10 12 deep like like you would go into the mall and they
would be like you have to split up because you look like a gang so we

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literally like yeah both sides of the mall going
forward screaming across it like it helped so much
and making people feel more secure
you know i mean like like we were more obnoxious in
that in that fashion how many hours did we spend in the mall i don't know i
know man i mean at least a year of our lives so so that line in particular the

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pay Phone the bus stop all the stuff he's talking about is is is really partial
in In that time frame when we were caught up and look in the rearview mirror.
Yeah. No, it's it's such a great song and I Give it its props because it's so
like that song in particular as well as other songs but that song particular made me like I.

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It taught me how to talk to girls. Yeah. You know, taught me how to lighten
up, taught, taught me how to write poetry to girls.
Yeah. Taught me how to like look into their eyes and, and talk about every single
thing that I saw in the eyes because L L came like that with this song.
Like he described like how it's like when I hear it, I'm like, I'm there.

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I mean, I'm like, I'm feeling that day, you know what I mean?
Like, like if the sun, everything, it's the, yes, it's that day.
And like, anytime I hear that song, own. Now, the other thing,
I mean, like I said and I mentioned before, it's Boyz II Men.
We need to definitely give our props to Boyz II Men. At the time of this album
release, Boyz II Men was at their...
They were gigantic. They had a new album coming out. That's the fourth season

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of Loneliness was coming.
This record was massive. For me, it was the first time I ever heard bass.
And I didn't know people talk like that.
I mean, I know before that, it was like some Barry White.
All these cats existed, but it was my first time hearing somebody
where it was just like like man i can't tell you how many times i'll
be on the phone with somebody and i'd be like talking to

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one of my girlfriends like hey what's up yeah man
that's playing playing the playing nintendo
boys boys depending on old cool jade partners yeah licking our lips every time
everything yeah what's up girl look i ain't gonna lie man for the longest time
i had my pant leg up like i ain't gonna lie like for reals like I thought New York shit.

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I was like, I sported it for like a year and a half.
I remember that, man. When we used to ride racks, man, you would have one always
rolled up. I was wearing Adidas.
Man, where the fuck were we?
Yo, I love it, man. Yeah, and Boyz II Men, I mean, was just like,
and this is like the pinnacle of what was happening because during that mid to late 90s,

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R&B hip-hop infusion became the record like if you wanted to put a hot record
out You had an R&B singer leading or you were tapping and you have the R&B singer
on the hook I mean even to this day,
you know, like I'll listen to like the the old-school R&B like,
Twisted I was just listening to the one that that's it feels obscure now to me, but Mario.

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Yeah that's a good song but but even going
back to the to like anytime i hear like those
like old school r&b hits like in my head i'm flowing you see what i'm saying
yeah they have they have the the beats have yeah have it the hook is already
there it's all right like you can you're i'm like flowing and i'm like swv and
all that what's that mariah kate man Oh, Dirt. Oh, Mariah.

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Go back, baby. Get back, bud. Oh, Dirt Dog. Hold on.
I'm telling you. That was a hot record. That was the thing. R&B with hip hop
made such a fucking great combination, man.
Dude, I'm trying to think, man. I mean, because this is like off of the New
Jack Swing era, too, right? Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, during the time, it was so category.

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And it's still, to this day, one of my favorite categories of music.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I have people that I know who are like, man,
that was bad music back in the day.
And I'm like, dude, these people were singing the Blown Pipes, making party records.
And in-house, their own singers were rapping. It wasn't features.
Bel Biv DeVoe just had dude in the record.

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Bobby Brown was just spitting at someone. And then you had, I mean,
even later down the road, you had people like TLC. TLC's a great example,
where they just literally had it in-house.
Shout out to Left Eye. That was one of my first crushes. Yeah, no, definitely, man.
And it hurt me in Latina, you know, so so but but yeah, no man like this song was was and oh and so I.

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Honestly like and this goes back to the to the to the sample here Okay,
what people don't realize is that this sample was a famous sample from a famous
person But on that album it was contending with more famous songs, right?
So in my life, I know how the thriller yeah Yeah.
But in my life, the first time that I heard this song was LL Cool J.

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That was the first time I heard it too.
And then I was like, all right, let me check the sample out.
Let me see where it goes. And then I was surprised it was Michael Jackson.
I was like, whoa, you know what I mean? A guy like that should have been suing LL Cool J.
Right. But what I'm saying is that like, that's how I got to know,
like, I didn't even know the sample through Michael Jackson.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand completely, dude. Like.

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Particularly with michael jackson, you know, I was at the time again,
I was diving knee-deep into rap and at that age It was there was a lot of identity,
Trying to figure yourself out And so I was the guy who was walking around being
like well I listen to rap music because I don't listen to anything else almost none.
I do rap music I do some r&b and that's about that's it.
That's it defines who I am as
a person, you know, and so Like I wasn't studying up on michael jackson.

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I had heard a lot of his records I liked a lot of his records I never really
talked about it because it was sort of like a dirty closet secret that I was
listening to this other stuff.
At the time, I was really twisted until I really got down with him and got to
learn about the branch out.
And it was okay to really appreciate other categories of music, other genres.
This was my tie-in. So yeah, the first time I heard that was LL.

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But the sample itself has been used by Mad Heads.
Mad Heads. I mean as recently as like Tyga or Mac Miller, but like I mean and
and the thing is People from all over I would use this sample like you have Texas using the sample.
Yes Yeah, well that trade that was Trey and Hawking you have like the you know,

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New York East Coast a lot cool But that's the biggest eyes and then we're six months three six mafia.
There's bone Yeah, yes, that's like the midway. Everybody had their version of this song check line.
Did it tech tech line use it? He did it with I forgot who was featured on the record, right?
So this one's saying it's such a great sample and each one of these songs Like

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they did never get really different.
There's like your love my right corner, right? Yeah, I've been down a street
smoking getting high smoking getting high I was who was that one was that was
that project probably Pat gangster Pat?
No, that was that was gangster Pat Yeah, that was gangster.
Yeah crazy. Yeah, see this saw did you hear how many names were dropping though?
Suicide Boys like there's mad heads that use this one sample but LL Cool J and

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Boys in the Men were the ones that.
It just solidified it. I mean, just having Boyz II Men into it,
it just made it, it's put it on a different level.
It's not- Those guys could sing. Yeah, it's not Texas rap. It's not this rap.
It's not this rap. Now it's- R&B.
Now it's R&B, which is going back to its roots, which is Michael Jackson.
And like I said, this is one of the first albums I had really purchased with my own money.

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The first time I was really, so this back in the day where like,
you know, my money was tight.
Money, yeah, money was tight. So when I got an album, man- Yeah,
yeah. I listened to that I listened to that Whether I liked it or not Like however
I felt about it I was like man Just put it into Kim Walkman And be on the bus
And just play this thing On loop dude So this is one And this was my first LL Cool J album.
And you know Hey Lover Is just like you know Kind of romantic thing I was big

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on like The gangster west coast stuff And the hardcore east coast stuff Eventually
Maybe around this time I'm not sure But that's Like don't get me wrong I agree
with him But I was very into The east coast Hardcore shit You were there before
I was But both of us can look at this song and be like, this song's amazing.
And it's cool because the album itself has several types of this song, right?

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You got, you know, Doing It Well works a little more raunchy.
You know, I'll Be Lounging Without Love, it's like smooth, cool.
But then he's got records like, you know, like hip hop where he's like dedicating
culture. He's got a record like I Shot You, which is like hardcore.
Yeah, I mean, that's just... Metaphor shit like the hottest of Hollywood.
And that's all skills. This is all different type. No airplay.

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I when I was really listening to it It's one of those records I kind of always
skipped over because I just didn't really dig like the hook and beat that much
at the time But I was listening to
it today and I joined it dawned on me Motherfucker did a one take on that.
There's no editing in that like he just did a one tape and It's he made it clear
at the beginning and I just never put it together.

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Yeah at the very beginning He's like what you just want me to go through the whole thing,
All right, give me a second when you listen to the it's raw audio So I have
such a different appreciation for that song and of course the talents of LL Cool J Well,
this is just need to go to show like my mother point It's like you he's got
who shot you which is one of the like hardest,

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but it's one of the hardest records but it's also one of the most like,
Heard record in the hip-hop canon of hip-hop song any any radio show where people
go on to do a freestyle any any a shot to play any of them and the end you so you see how LL is is.
Loved and respected throughout you can go to the lovey-dovey.

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You can go to the underground MC's You can go to the hard, you know hard mom
said not old cats the new school.
Yeah, exactly This was almost like a formula once once phenomenon comes up.
Yeah, he's got four three two one on there You know, he's got Method Man and Red Man,
yeah But then he's got Catholic DMX It was like, I believe that was his breakout
Yeah Before his solo stuff Yeah You got Cannabis Of course And that's Master

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P, who was huge at the time Yeah, yeah But the whole Cannabis thing
That's also a different story That's a whole other fucking podcast But that
You probably should do a Remember the Record battle Right One day But that goes
a little sooner To show you he's a battle rapper Yeah, by then he had already.
Crushed like mad head He, I, you know I always have, and I feel like the gods

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of hip-hop should punish me.
Please forgive me. I never really put LL as my top five, but I will have to
say that he is, definitely.
Because he's not the guy I always go to to listen to,
but he's the guy that has gone through generations

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of hip hop and then not been irrelevant and
radio and and film and tv and he
is and book and he still represents and that's
the real hip hop in his in his you know the series and radio the yeah and festivals
yeah the rock the bells rock the bells is massive i love the rock the bells
festivals man like those are the best festivals ever we went to one and got

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the got the fucking straight up like kicking with but i mean we're right there in front with wu-tang,
I was there with Slaughterhouse I got to hang out with guys like Idea What's
crazy is that we went but we didn't go together We didn't know And we didn't
even fight each other either That was so funny as far as dude I was rolling
with one homie He was rolling with a homie It was a couple other cats that I
bumped into them too Papers a couple other cats But like I ran into them.

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With my ex, Megan. That was a good festival. For anybody who knows my backstory,
that was the festival I almost got into a fight with the Wu-Tang Clan.
This fucking guy. This fucking guy. No.
And that's, I mean, look, you want to hear that story, type it in the comments section.
We talked about that some other day. But, yeah. Back to the, but, can we quickly...
One last thing. Mad props to LL for all this shit. LL Cool J is hard as hell.

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I want to quickly just do a quick drop on the music video. We can talk a little
bit about that. I know we're good.
We've got plenty of time But the video was released again October 31st.
It was the same day as the single 1995 directed by a hike Williams or Halloween
October 31st for Wow, isn't that weird?
February It's back then Brady records sold in store.

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Yeah, it's true. She's true the big records They came out September October
November December, right? Like because that's when people were getting Christmas
presents and that's when people were shopping Yeah, that's when the money was
around the video opens with this golden key necklace, right?
Which this is my own personal input here most likely a metaphor for a key to
his to his heart Yeah, I'm guarantee that's what that's about.
Hello. Cool. J's driving around farmers Boulevard, Queens.

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This is it. That's his stomping grounds Mercedes Benz Porsche spots a girl who
was the girl Chef's kid get a body forget about it.
Jillian, Ileana waters you we've seen this lady in In Martin,
Malcolm and Eddie, Wayans, bro.
I didn't know any of it. She was on How to Be a Player with Bill Bellamy.

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Jackie Brown. She was in Jackie Brown, dude. Yeah, this girl who I only remember as...
That chick from Hey Love, right? She's been in all the, watched all of this.
That's the part that's really crazy.
But LL develops a crush on her. You know, he sees her at the bus stop, the mall, payphone.
He starts fantasizing of them being together, traveling the world,

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making love, making out with ice cream, swimming in the ocean.
He walks around in the cut when he sees her. He imagines her while he's working out.
Sees her when he's looking at himself in the rear view mirror.
Smoking too many gloves. That's one of my favorite ones.
Rapper from the top of his car while boys have been just, they're singing the hook in the streets.
You know what I mean? Like, it's such a good music video, and it's such a 90s video, too.

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It's an awesome video. I do love it, dude.
It's definitely the times, man. Nostalgic. The way they shot it,
I think they have, like, like, a fuzziness to some of the shots.
Particularly when he's, like, driving, like, do this thing. Or,
like, when they're, like, they're trying to, like, fix the focus.
Hype Williams, him's g dude like that guy's done a lot of good
stuff no no that's why i mean that video

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that that is very nostalgic and it captures like just
life and life in new york life and and like
life in a lot of people's lives man i mean so much of that and a
very different in a very different scenario it's still fixed like that whole
driving around the bus we were doing all that right here in virginia yeah you
know i mean like i i just i just really do it captures a specific moment and

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then And every time I hear it, I do. I think of specific people.
How about some highlighted lyrics? You got some favorite bars in there?
I mean, there's parts that stick out.
But I smoke, right? But I go to the gym. That's my very first one.
You only knew him five months. That's right. Besides, he drinks too much.

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He smokes too many bucks.
So every time I'm at the gym, I think of this stupid line. I'm like,
I smoke once, and I'm fucking in the gym.
Man so like like i mean but you know
no i couldn't say one specific because it's
just the whole vibe of the whole thing it's the vibe of
yeah like you you listen to it you're like okay that's tight that's tight that's

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tight every bar is tight it's not he has a genius writing style when you listen
to some of the bars each verse there's this part where he's like no pretend but yeah and he doesn't,
And it's just this one line at the exact same spot.
Each each verse like it's definitely constructed as a pop song because you remember

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these these patterns And he does it in every single one of the verses.
I think that and and how he ends each one is very much Very similar very and
conversational and just like genuine and we're writers Yeah,
like when we break it down like he's doing it. We pick up the technical stuff.
It is it's very Like what he's saying is correct.
Like there is a process and he he figured it out and it's amazing still uh oh

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man of course you know and this is teenage teenage love right still,
he can't stop me from having daydreams tongue in the down vanilla ice cream.
Yo yo hello there he's on all of his songs right the uh the licking the lips
and like the let me let me just let me take off my shirt time for me to take

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my shirt off where in the video should Should I take off my shirt or should
I just come in without my shirt on?
Sometimes I feel like ice cream dripping down his chest. Sweat.
His masculinity dripping down his body. Oh, God, he was a pimp.
With his chain. Oh, God, the chain.
Dude, man, ladies look cool.
Swimming in time. So this is a great bar here. And the reason why I really like

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this one is like you were talking about how we're writers, right?
So he's like swimming in the timeless currents of pure bliss,
fantasies, and the changing with each kiss.
When you hear this man like this is this is
poetry like if i were writing or something to to
to a lady that's this is why i said what i said because
a hundred percent it taught me how to make poetry

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instead of just being like i like your body you
think you're beautiful i want to i want to take you that's easy that's easy
we're talking about swimming in the timeless currents of pure bliss like it's
forever happiness you know i want that's what we are doing together oh it's
it's that But that goes to LL just in general. In all of us.

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He's got almost like a spiritual side point.
He talks about heavens and the mountains and the skies and a lot of his references
you hear sound biblical.
Yeah. Even like Bad or Mama Said Knocked You Out. Both of those.
That's the Old Testament.

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That's the Old Testament. walking at the crossroads on the most hated album
that he ever put out, most slept on it.
Then there's another one of those songs later down the road, I think it's called War.
Man like the way he goes on that song like it's a different album oh it's time
for yeah opening record yeah man god damn 14 i want to say it might have been

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14 what the hell was the name god damn see that's what i'm talking about and
that was one of his more recent ones yeah 10 it was 10 right,
yeah yeah no exit 13 dog that's what it was that was 2008 when that came out
that i mean and you're like okay you to me as a person who listened to him back
in the 80s to what 2008 then when that
came out yeah i'm like yo he has not

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fell off he's not he's just got everything
about yeah he's just gotten better and better
as time he is an og he's goat
man he he's i you know rock him big daddy cane ll man like i i have to put him
in the thing now because he he he has mastered the recipe of longevity and the
way he did it is if you listen to each record individually right It sounds like

(28:10):
a product of that time. Yeah, yeah.
With the LL Cool J flair, the gruff battle stuff, the smooth player stuff.
But also, again, bringing out the old school heads and bringing them together
with the new school or the pop heads of the time, right?
People from his camp, from the New York camp and the Def Jam camp coming together.

(28:34):
But also like again like evolving with what was hot in the moment, right?
So like what was it after it was it the definition?
What personally and in my probably my least favorite record by a local J because
this was that era and I remember this era vividly because it was a time where
music just for me felt really stagnant cuz,

(28:54):
Everything once little John came out and started doing
all that crunk stuff and people were making and at the
same time was it house music dance hall started coming
back and like coming into fruition right but all of this club music became hyper
popular and so this whole album the definition that's the album that has everybody
get your heads froze yeah and i've been to club let's see that to me but that's

(29:18):
him surviving let's see i know but that to me started with him up,
he started getting he was very very comfortable and
phenomenal yeah yeah but i still really thought that it's a
good one and you know exactly i i like
that and no but look it actually that harkens back
to old school to grandmaster flash no in
their various lives where and i think it's white lines where he says something

(29:41):
like something like i'm up for not like something like oh yeah yeah yeah it's
something like yeah white line white lines yeah and he took that and turned
that into this really sexy yeah like just yeah yeah i don't know how to describe it it's just.
It's kinky yeah it's but it's hard hitting it's and the whole time he's just
basically whispering yeah yeah yeah he's the only one who can pull that off

(30:04):
like that like the whole thing i'm gonna talk a phenomenon like well the hook
is a phenomenon but then when he gets,
i'm gonna talk to the real cool baby like that.
Man i'm a you know as a dude you're just like yeah get it going home tonight with somebody.

(30:27):
Hello busy man you know definitely you know february music i don't know somebody
that nobody knows because they can't see but this whole time like i've been
fidgeting around and my i got a fucking pant leg up right now.
Like it's not even something that i realized i just was like oh shit i got it
up yeah Gotta hold it down for I Love Cool J, dude.

(30:48):
Gotta hold it down for I Love Cool J. Did you ever get into a show?
I didn't watch it, man. It's actually a good show. Look, I mean,
what's the one he's big on now? Is it NCIS? Oh, no.
Yeah, this is the sitcom one. I know. It was like Fresh Prince.
That was his show. It was good. I forget what the name of that show was.

(31:09):
What was the name of the show? I don't remember the name, but it was a good
show. And, you know, a podcast trying to drop all his knowledge,
man. And like we we sleep a lot on this shit, are we?
But like i mean no he that's but that's
my point and and toys dude i don't
give a what anybody says that was my favorite that was my favorite one i'm just

(31:30):
i've been a robin williams fan for my entire life i was really an r.i.p i mean
i i cried the day r.i.p for reals that i cried the day that man yeah he's a
good he was a good guy but but his portrayal I was this military son.
I don't like it. And there was this one part that I related to so hard.
He's in the mess hall eating.
And he's like, I don't like my food bucket touching. I need a barrier for my

(31:54):
mashed potatoes so that the peas don't infiltrate my mashed potatoes.
And it was like very serious. But I'm like, dude, I completely don't like it
when my food's touching. I want that three plate. I want that split plate.
I don't want my shit touching. Unless it's designed to be like that,
I don't want it touching.
It's going to invade the thing.
Listen for some of you all that haven't watched

(32:16):
toys i don't know what we're talking about i mean it's such a movie of
its time it is such a movie of its time like look
it's it's it's not a bad movie but it's it's not a good movie i think i think
i mean for as much as we love it i think a lot of people would be like what
the fuck hey it's ll man it's ll that's all i can got robin you got ll you got
kusak sister in there yeah no something q sack yeah q sack Jennifer Cusack?

(32:40):
Yeah, it's John Cusack's sister.
I know, but is it Jennifer Cusack? I feel awful, man. That's disrespectful.
That's disrespectful. On a record like this, man, it's all about the ladies.
Shit. And, you know, if anybody has any kind of, like, vibes where they feel
like this is, like, you know, predatorial, you know, misogynistic,

(33:00):
don't get it twisted, man.
This is a thing that everybody does. Because everyone at some point has driven,
stopped at a stoplight and seen somebody walk by and just go,
that's an attractive person.
You know what I'm saying? And all LL's talking about is thinking about this girl that he saw.
He's developed a crush. He doesn't say, he doesn't say, I figured out that she's

(33:24):
on a bus, so I just go over to the bus and I start seeing her every morning at the bus.
He just, he spots her when he's out. He sees her at the mall.
You know, he sees her on that payphone. He doesn't go sniffing her out.
He's talking about wanting to marry her. He's talking about wanting to try to
work with her. It's a very romantic song. It's a romantic record.
Romantic song. And people get it twisted in this.

(33:44):
And today, look, I'm not trying to go into this super heavy, but no bullshit.
This ain't the record. This isn't the one. It had to be said.
And we don't want to get into it as much. But I agree with my boy here.
LL is not the person to do that to. There's other. There's plenty of people that are out there.
But do it on purpose, too. I mean, shout out to my boys like Cage,

(34:08):
Eminem, Where they have records that are intentionally shocking for that,
but that's also what the intent I mean my name's LL is also that love song dude.
He's a LL's ladies love I mean it is what it is like it's in his name This has
always been LL and to be honest.
It's some of this magic, you know, and and,

(34:29):
I understand there's a difference between this, that, and the other,
but this isn't that. This isn't the record for it, man.
I don't know. I just wanted to put that on. I know it's a very serious issue,
and I know it's something that's really taboo and controversial,
rather. Not taboo, but it's controversial.
But this isn't the record. I don't believe so.
I mean, everyone can interpret anything how they want to, but this isn't it.

(34:52):
I mean, if you can interpret that as something predatorial and interpret Slop
on my knock, I mean, come on. Great record.
Yeah. But it's juvenile, and it's meant to be.
Make me so horny. You know what I mean? Both records are not meant to be ways of life.

(35:17):
They're they're they're they're they're again then they're definitely
products of their time but they're but they're just there's you can't help
but like giggle yeah and again and
one last thing that i'm going to say is ll never taught me
to be predatorial he taught me to be romantic yeah he told me to be romantic
he taught me how to write he taught me how to talk to girls or
at least i thought i was trying to pretend so hard hey what's up

(35:38):
baby i'm telling you man man i used to have people they'd
be like man you have such a cute you sound so like hot on the phone i'd
be like do i baby do i
baby and then you lick your lips yeah smile make sure
your chickens when you smile they know they can see you smile they
know they can see you smile yeah that's so
funny what about if you got i need love

(35:59):
so that's the breakout romance record
for him which i heard after and
you heard that oh for sure i was late to it
so hey lover was the first one for me and when
i hear i need love it almost it's it
was like so over the top the way it was done with
the way that beat is and even at the

(36:19):
end the way he's flowing it like he's literally like writing a
love letter or a poem to somebody right and at the ending he's like i
love you girl yeah yeah you know i miss you i'm waiting for
you it's a super like a super teenage
like teenage lovey dovey but like i don't.
Know it makes me wonder if that was around the same time that
teenage love came out i'd have to check that out too because i think

(36:40):
it might have that's uh probably a remember the
record coming up dude probably we might reserve that
for another another romance oh and that that song oh my god that one that one
melts your heart and there's stories it's so relatable the story so relatable
well so we're getting close and i know that we're gonna probably go in depth

(37:01):
about some of this so i want to get into the games real
quick unless you got any last comments about the record i mean just that it's
overall one of the greatest records watch the video keep the record,
You know, and we'll get into that at the ending of this, but let's hit into
some of these games real quick. All right, so real fast, we're going to start
off with singles only, right?
Aside from the hit single, Hey Love, all right, what other chart-topping single

(37:25):
is your favorite by LL Cool J and Y?
Now, I wish you screenshot this. If you could put this on here,
check this out. You ready for this?
59 singles in over four decades.
59 singles in over four decades. Which one's your favorite?
And these are the singles. There are so many. There are so many.
Not the record from Mr. Smith. Right, right. They're the singles.

(37:49):
The singles. What's the biggest, what's your favorite record he ever put out? Oh, man.
All right. One right off the top of my head that I love, I absolutely love,
love, love, love is, but this ties into another one. I'm the type of guy.
I'm the type of guy. That's such a good one. man and it's such a simple rhyme scheme but it's so like.

(38:14):
And the beat oh my god oh
and then of course that was panther right yeah
yeah and then of course going going back
back to cali well you're singing you're singing the biggie version
right now i'm going back to cali cali
to cali i don't think so yeah and that when i
when i heard than going back to cali by biggie i was like i know

(38:36):
what's up yeah and honestly because
that was such during the time when that came out that
was the big east coast west coast thing going
on it was biggie's olive branch to be like i got love
for west coast he does this straight up like west coast bounce
right yeah yeah but he throws in the hook yeah you know
classic east coast right like and he does that i

(38:58):
think with brilliant intent and i mean but still i mean there's just so many
any man that i couldn't i mean then you got the booming system oh yeah selling
boomer system that's that's one of the older ones too and then of course the
older i mean rock the bells is like no.
I'm bad see that's what i'm saying like i'm bad as the record but no but what about i mean,

(39:23):
that beat my hat is like a truck spin that
whole he had a whole record designed off that one line but see for me i like
big old butt a dude like a big old butt he had a big old booty no that's such
a that's the way he approached me like i would be uh i'd be hard-pressed to I would be foolish,

(39:45):
personally, if I didn't say Mama Said Knock You Out.
Mama Said Knock You Out is my favorite.
That beat. Don't call it a comeback!
The video's stupid. It's like, just boxing. It's black and white. It's hard.
Which harkens to a little future.
This is foreshadowing the battle between cannabis.

(40:09):
I mean, well, Knock You Out was about Kumo-D, right? Yeah, it was about what it was.
So this was this was a battle record, right? But but the but the boxing aspect
though Oh, yeah, because then cannabis comes back around with second round knockout consent.
That's definitely what he's referencing Yeah, yeah, he's like so mama said knock
you out. Why got him in the second round?
Yeah, cuz cuz cuz cuz he's in the box. Hello was the one that first blood right?

(40:31):
I'm going to one right he said he's dissing cannabis on that,
Cannabis comes back and then and then honestly like I mean, it's not one of
his singles But I think he rips it in in that song words,
That the one would be real the one with Busta Rhymes the coming straight to the hole Yeah,
we're gonna talk about that in a moment versus the show that record is so fucking

(40:56):
great Yeah, I was like a prime master Yeah of these giant posse cuts,
which is why we had to mention it in the verse because again in
its formula He's dropping this several albums like
one after the other he's he's got these group cuts but
when the soundtracks would come out he would he would he
would hop on those two yeah and my is so

(41:17):
good dude I don't give a shit I don't give a
shit man I mean it's such a Bugs Bunny movie but man that song I'll shout out
the Bugs Bunny and Looney Tunes are the shit and I don't give a shit I don't
guess I don't care I don't care if they had guns boom I don't know if it was Mexican I don't care.

(41:38):
Skunk chasing around a lady. That shit was tight.
Unadulterated child wholesome goodness. I don't care what anybody says. I love Looney Tunes.
There's just so many, man. You see how many there are. It's the same.
We could pick one for each era. I think in the 80s I'm going with I'm Bad,

(42:00):
personally. You named a couple others.
I'm going with mama said okay so let's do that the 80s I'm gonna go for I'm
the type of guy that's just my shit yeah yeah yeah okay for 90s cough cough,
See, like, it's really hard. You got Flavor In Your Ear, it's a massive hit.
That Louder remix with Toto is a huge hit.

(42:22):
Dude, I love that song. I was just listening to that recently, too, dude. Yeah, man.
Dude, that still goes in, man. I love that era of, like, R&B, rap, like, those beats.
Like, it's all like that. But, yeah, for me, it's got to be.
And then, what's the other one that I, Round The Way Girl? Oh, man.
She, like, sucking on my lollipop.
Let me kiss the dolly button.

(42:45):
This is what i'm talking about man like we could we
ll taught us so much and now 2000s is
harder because like we were listening to him but we weren't yeah we weren't
as on point with with a lot at this point he has a lot of great records and
for me it's a real easy shut him down i would have to say shut him down that

(43:05):
beat goes hard he's rhyming at this rapid speed that he does yeah Yeah, that's amazing.
And I was like, what? I even called him up. He's like screaming.
I called him up. I was like, yo, is this LL?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was double-timing, triple-timing on that one.
And that was a hot record.
And then I guess in 2010s, you know, once again, this is like an era for me

(43:27):
where I wasn't super hard up on it. Yeah.
You know, like this is the era where like Accidental Racist pops up with Brad Paisley.
Yeah. I don't know much of these.
I couldn't tell you. But that's one, two, three, four decades. Four decades.

(43:49):
What was interesting to me while collecting and curating this list,
I was a little shocked to see that there wasn't anything in the 20s.
He's just been making singles. Oh, yeah.
He's been doing his thing, man. and you know my props
to him and he's doing the whole i mean he's got rock the
bells which is his thing you know so yeah he's

(44:12):
also yeah he's got he's got a podcast he's got his radio channel
yeah he's got the festivals and he's got network
shows and i in a movie and i know for a
fact that he had something to do with
part of the opening of the hip-hop museum
in new york you know we still have to
make a pilgrimage when we do we'll we'll

(44:33):
share any of that but man again i'm
telling you ll was is just a
phenomena that's the best i can say so into game
two we're going to do the deep cut now this is
off of the mr smith album all right aside from the
song the songs that garnered chart positions in our music videos what is your
favorite record off of mr smith and your options are mega hot hip hop life as

(44:58):
mr smith no airplay lounge in the original that's the one that's got that i'll
be sure night and day sample not the other one polish to hollywood god bless,
get to drop on them i shot you the original papa love it which was a bonus on
the on on the deluxe there was a bunch of other records but those are the big
those are the wrecks so for me i i.

(45:21):
I have to say like i okay i like
the remix of lounging
okay yeah but the original the original i'm not
i'm not because the remix was a single yeah and the i shot your
remix yeah i'm not i'm not really feeling that but
i am from i just wanted to point that out i
do like the the the the remix i don't

(45:43):
like the original that much the original is not nearly yeah but
it's cool but it's not it is not loud but for
me it would have to go either between a shot you and hip-hop
but i will lean more for hip-hop because the
way he he he come and i like the hardness if i
shot you don't get me wrong but i like the yeah yeah

(46:03):
but i like the educational in a rapper alive i
like the educational like aspect of hip-hop like bringing back to talking about
how it was how it is bringing himself in it like it was to me as a lover of
hip-hop that just was that that that cherry on top so once again one of the

(46:25):
first albums i bought right.
And when you met me, I was pretty versed in hip-hop already and a lot of has
to do with this song because What was I getting out of it? Hold Tom listen to the record.
I'm writing down names. Yeah, I'm saying I'm like Who are these people heavy D? Who is this?
Like, you know Wu Tang let's find out about that and And NWA easy ease in here

(46:48):
like when you hear all this stuff It's like alright now it's time to go and
find these records right now because I really fucked with hello cool J I really
love this album and I love this record.
These guys have to be good. Yeah, he's validated for me doubts for these people He's vetted them.
I'm gonna check them out And and that's you know Because of that record is one
of the reasons why my my catalog went from you know Just thanks to rap to just

(47:10):
a little bit of this pop stuff to all this other shit Yeah,
so yeah hip-hop is that's a huge that's my song.
I mean, I love that So I I did a great job of that not to say that I just you
know I don't I don't want to say that everything else sucks and that I'm because
it doesn't but that's my favorite song hip-hop Dude, I think what he did with how it's the Hollywood.

(47:30):
That's what I'm saying G that's all the movie references and the thing now I
went back and recently listened to it I will say because it's such a specific
time period a lot of the movies that he's referencing are Dated.
Yeah, obviously he sees you grab about virtuosity like.
When was the last time anybody mentioned Virtua... No offense to Virtua... Dude, I like Virtua...

(47:53):
And the actors are geniuses. Today, those are names that are way the hell up
there, right? But I'm just saying.
Like, that movie didn't necessarily stay out of the test of time.
So some of the references there are a little dated. I still really like that
record. But I Shot You is just that beat. I mean, yeah.
I mean, I Shot You is the hardest song.

(48:15):
Yeah, I guess. I mean, hip-hop. And Make It Hot. The way that album opens,
it's such an LL Cool J record.
No, that's true. I got the brother. That's true. That's true. We like fam.
Rollin' like brothers. It is such an LL Cool J. And you don't stop.
You got the lady singing on the hood. Yup. No, but see, for me, it's just .

(48:38):
It's hip hop just as a fact of what it is. Yeah.
And then, like you said, it taught you. I love songs that are like that.
Yeah you know from all that i mean from ll but
any artist that does songs like that it's fucking
tight you know like you start picking up books because of
people you start watching certain movies because of people you know

(48:58):
these references mean like everything hearing the samples and then discovering
those artists like michael jackson and then their catalog yeah yeah you know
what i mean like like and michael jackson's gotta be one of my favorite artists
eternal right like and the music is undeniable just leave me y'all know oh my
god I love Just Me. That's a great song.
That's a perfectly fitted one for its time.

(49:21):
So now we're going to get into the verses. We only got about nine minutes,
and I know that this is where the conversation can get a little interesting.
Let me do one. I have one for you.
You're going to hit me with a first time, episode four. First timer.
He's going to try and get me. Now, this is a little bit, it's a little broad,
but I want to include Boyz II Men.

(49:42):
Important. I mean, if it wasn't for Boyz II Men, I don't think that record would
be what it is. The question is, is appropriate to LL Cool J as well.
And we talked about this earlier, but what is the better record to make love to?
R&B? Like the LL Cool J song that we got right here, or I'll Make Love To You. Oh, shit.

(50:07):
I'll make love now. See I go with ll. So the problem is this here's the argument because i've i've.
I've had the i've made my own mix like speed.
You know i'm saying beat in motion You're so funny I'll make the problem that
i'll make love to you certain Certain individuals make love they're here in

(50:27):
the background and they're and they're laughing a little bit And we're having a good time,
I have been with some ladies where when that song is happening where they burst
out laughing and they're like I'm sorry can you please change I can't make love
to you while there's somebody screaming I'll make love to you it's silly.

(50:49):
But it is baby making music so I've been with women where it's a part of it
and they giggle oh yeah I'll make love to you and we're doing it and then there's
other people that are just like no no,
you're making me feel ridiculous This woman has no say in this.
Yeah, yeah. We already got the tape. This is you. We already got the tape.
This is you. I was doing it because that's the soundtrack.

(51:10):
I'll Make Love to You sounds like it's a clip from a 90s movie.
It has to go with it. But I go with LL. It's definitely a chiller song.
It's definitely the more, it's more romantic. It's more slower.
I need a little bit more action. Yeah, we need time.
So we start off with that one. Or end it.
Or end with it. Or end. But I'll Make Love to You is right in the middle of
it. And then doing it is like right at the tail end.

(51:33):
We're just getting bit that's hilarious it's like the motion of the ocean so
there you go that was my that's hilarious I didn't expect that at all that's
a great question dude great great verse alright alright so my first verses this
is gonna be tough I think at least it's narrowing it down to.

(51:53):
80s LL Cool J versus 90s LL Cool J 80s includes Cluj radio, bigger and deft
for walking with a panther versus 90s.
Mama said, knock you out. 14 shots at the dome. Mr. Smith, the phenomenon.
What's the better? I love cool. Jay.
80s. How fucking hard is that? 80s. I go with 80. You're going 80?

(52:15):
I go 80. I gotta I go 80. It's hard, man.
It's extremely hard. It's extremely hard. There's so many old school records
from the 80s that are just dope.
But if somebody were to be like, alright, give me, just start spitting I need a beat.
I'm stuck. I'm stuck. Well, hey, can you do the verse from Hit Em High?
I'm jumping right into that. You know what I'm saying? Hey, louder. I'm jumping.

(52:39):
That's the hard part. And I also got introduced in the 90s, right?
So when I first experienced LL Cool J, this was the new hot shit.
See, I think that's where it is. I got introduced in the 80s.
So I got to buy it. In the 90s.
But he's got a point. But he's got a point, though. He does have a point.
But at the same time, it's like, I mean, Mama Should Knock You Out.

(53:00):
I need love. No, Mama Should Knock You Out came in 90. That was 91, 92.
Because he got the Grammy for that. It was 92. Okay, well, still bad.
So in the 80s, you got Radio, Bigger and Dapper, and Walking with the Panthers.
All great records. Walking with the Panthers is my introduction.
So that's your Mr. Smith. Yeah, that is my Mr. Smith. And I discovered 14 Shots in the Dome later.

(53:22):
I knew the record singles, but I never listened to the album.
And it's so of the time.
But see, now I'm in the 90s, man. See, it's tough, right?
What do you guys think, man? Is it 80s or 90s? Well, LL Cool J's better. That's tough, right?
That is extremely tough because I mean... But you're going 80s, I'm going 90s?

(53:45):
Yeah, I guess I'm going to go... Say it in the crowd, dude. I'm going to go
80s. No, I'm going to go 80s. I am.
When this is all said and done, I got the Spotify playlist going on.
I got every single that's available on Spotify. This fucking guy got everything.
You know what I'm saying? Like, it's there. And you can be the judge of it.
Listen to those records. I got them in chronological order, all the singles.
I might have to listen to that playlist. It's a great list. It's a big list.

(54:09):
I mean, 59 fucking singles, man.
Put me in a better situation here.
That's the question. That's hard, right? When I was thinking about it,
I was like, I don't know the answers.
All right, so I got two more, and I know we got to get to final words.
80s. All right, so now we're going to do the posse cuts. What is the better posse cut?
We got Flavor In Your Ear. That's Craig Mack with Notorious B.I.G., Rampage, Busta Rhymes.

(54:33):
We got Hit Em High with Be Real, Coolio, Method Man, and Busta Rhymes.
And then we got 4-3-2-1 with Method Man, Red Man, Cannabis, DMX,
and Master P, which is the best record of the three.
It is like taking your children i'm
gonna have to go just because it's me and my past my

(54:56):
background with you know that hit them high right that's
good i i feel like all of them come with energy but there's like a different
energy i think so with all three of them it's major different like with the
craig mac flavor in your ear outside of busted being that character right In
both of the songs that he's on.

(55:16):
But outside of him, they're all kind of like cocky or swagger and flavor in your ear.
Whereas Hit Em High, it's like an animated.
Well, it's that, but there's like an individualist to, you know,
the other song that's Hit Em High is more like a team.
Yeah, they're the whole squad. Yeah, that's what it feels like.

(55:40):
They feel like they could have been a super group. Yeah, that's what I feel
it like it feels like maybe cuz they had the same jerseys or whatever But if
you it feels like more of a team when I listen to that as Plenty here now flavoring years.
I love flavoring year, but Four three two one dude.
I mean one method man brings. Yeah, Redman brings a nasty verse.

(56:01):
Yeah, Master P was cool But like cannabis, I don't see this is the thing DMX breakout record.
This is the first time I ever hear this guy I mean, but let's catch you with
a dog when the sun is out run a clown like this voice is like There's a couple
things here that I have to say about all these artists.
Okay. Oh god, Mike. Oh,
Mr. P, no.

(56:23):
That's one reason. We're doing a hateration. All right, that's one reason.
The other reason, I'm not a big fan of Redman.
All right. Third reason.
Voice of him. Unless you're called Red, not me. No, no. Look, look, look.
Redman's not bad, but the only real person that I really fucked with in that
song, he said, oh, it's Method Man. And Cannabis.

(56:46):
Cannabis. Yeah, you can have DMX. Okay, at the time. At the time.
No, no, let me good wayness.
This is let me explain last for me. Let me explain this All right at the time
I was pretty DMX as a rapper.
I never liked that. I never thought I saw I never I never caught that and but
I never thought I sounded like but everybody's would be jelly Do you make cuz you got that voice?
Yes, I got the voice So I was just like for the longest time I'm like I kind

(57:09):
of hate it on DMX I rap fast so I sound like both of the harmony But you never
if you ever heard me freestyle over a both of the harmony beat,
but I'll sound anything like a rep Right, right, right.
That's and I got that that energy that DMX has but I don't have that Yeah,
I don't have there's nothing nothing about anything what you're talking about
how you're spending the way you're spending but because I guess because of that

(57:30):
comparison like I was I now I
love DMX but it's just at the time I was like now that's why I go cuz every one of those on the.
Hit him low hit him. I every one of them are so bomb.
Yeah every single one of the coolest shit cannabis is tight
too man but cannabis that was actually not even my favorite like
that's what i'm saying that was a breakout verse for him yeah and

(57:52):
i wasn't even for me it wasn't one of his best yeah he had
some dope lines but when you hear cannabis is best compared to that it's they're
not there's there's nothing compared and also i would argue that you know he
got followed up by dmx yeah dmx came in like just the voice it didn't really
matter what he's rapping more energy right right and and and i thought method
man had a had a great fucking method man always come remi had a

(58:14):
great fucking verse, by the way. By the way.
I was just not mean. Fuck that. And LL Cool J came up with that inner battle.
Well, that's what I'm saying. Besides LL That makes it hard.
We're getting over time. We're getting over time. So I got one more because
we got to do the closeouts before we burn the time frame here.

(58:36):
So last one is the battle argument.
We got Kumo D, How You Like Me Now, and Mama Said Knock You Out,
versus Cannabis second round knockout of the Ripper strikes back.
What are the better set of songs? What's the better set of battle?
See I like it's interesting in the question because I like mom said knock you
out It's the best record right and but I like the battle between cannabis and

(58:59):
L but I don't like LL's battle against Cannabis cannabis.
Well, I think cannabis got him on. Yeah, and I think if I like that local J shit, right? I think,
A lot of people really kind of gave him shit for that. I don't hate it. That beat is hot.
I don't hate it, but it was just like, like cannabis was like,
okay, that's cannabis. But it's like, I would, if he came with Mama said,

(59:22):
knock you out to cannabis.
I don't think you would have. Well, I mean, honestly, because of how direct
cannabis came with it, doing a record like Mama said, knock you out.
What's it going to do? That would have been a great boxing fight.
Oh, for sure. Sure. But like, what I'll say is this, man, I think that the Kumo
D and Mama Said Knock Yeah, I think those are a better song. Yeah.

(59:43):
And it was during an era when people battled, they weren't just like,
I'm in your fucking face and I'm talking directly to you about this shit.
Like, who had the hotter record?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there would be little jabs that like you knew so
that you knew it was about them. Right. I mean, Kumo D was a little more direct for sure.
But I think also L.O. came out on top of that. Mama Said Not The Addict.

(01:00:05):
Yeah, yeah. An iconic record. Yeah.
But as far as a battle itself goes, Cannabis vs. L.O. was the more entertaining
battle. That's what I'm saying.
That's an entertaining battle, yeah. Which makes it hard to say which is better.
Yeah. Because there's two very different reasons why they are easily the best.
You know what I'm saying? I can't.
That's the only thing I can say. Two different reasons why they're easily the best.

(01:00:27):
Yeah. That's the best I can say. Because, like I said, I like that battle,
but I don't like that battle.
And I like the battle, but I don't like that battle. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, dude.
You understand what we're saying, man? It's good shit over here, dude. It is what it is.
Guys, we have to wrap it up. This is our final words and outro as we're running overtime at this point.

(01:00:51):
Guys, be sure to check out Johnny Warbucks' band camp. It's a party over here.
And if you like the music that we've discussed here today, we've got Remember
the Record 4, LL Cool J on Spotify, on Johnny Warbucks on Spotify.
I have the song that we're talking about, the remix. I've got the songs that

(01:01:11):
were sampled, the instrumental.
I've got the rest of Mr. Smith. And then every single I could find on Spotify,
it's all there, dude. Dude, it is a very long playlist.
Please give him props and listen to it because he spends time.
This one took some time. This is a six-hour, 15-minute playlist,
guys. So this is one that you can just listen to for a hot minute.

(01:01:32):
A lot of great history and a lot of good studying in here, man. Great music.
So I recommend checking out the Remember the Record episode for LJ,
Johnny Warbucks, Spotify.
Yeah, man. And we got another podcast called The Rapper's Corner.
Rapper's Corner, baby. Check that out. And you know collision cough right on
any streaming and junk stuff I'm out there college Nick off read a lot of people

(01:01:53):
have a problem with that.
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(01:02:17):
Who do you guys think beat it on the verses, man? What's the better LL Cool J? 90s, 80s?
What's the better posse cut? It better be good. What's the better lovemaking song?
Alright, guys. Catch you later, man. What are we doing next time? Oh, man.
What month is that? What month?
The month just reminds me of green. It's March, right? It just reminds me of

(01:02:39):
green. I don't know why. You got St. Patrick's Day?
You got March Madness? Yes, it's green. I don't know. We've got a couple of
different houses we could jump on. Yeah, something like that.
Peace out, guys. Alright.

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