Episode 17 - Bryan Hannon

In this episode, we sit down with Bryan Hannon, founder of Trinity Sauna Inc., to hear the raw and powerful story behind his personal transformation. After battling substance abuse, going through a divorce, losing his job, and hitting rock bottom with a DUI arrest, Bryan rebuilt his life from the ground up.

He shares how that breaking point led him to sobriety, fatherhood, and a new mission—creating a safe space for physical and emotional healing. From cold plunges to deep conversations, Trinity Sauna became more than a wellness facility—it became a community built on vulnerability, growth, and second chances.

Topics Discussed in This Episode:

• The night Bryan hit rock bottom and how it changed everything

• How sobriety reshaped his purpose and relationship with his son

• Creating Trinity Sauna as a space for healing and mental health support

• The power of vulnerability and holding space for others

• How contrast therapy and cold exposure impact more than just the body

• Rebuilding life through fitness, fatherhood, and small daily actions

• Why men need to talk—and how Bryan is helping make that happen

Episode Transcript

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Shit, my dad taught me. We're here with Brian Hannon.
Brian, welcome to the show. Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me and thank you for running this.
It's great for people. I know it's I've been excited
about it. You've changed my day and my
week and my month and it's been a great focus.
So you're doing something special here.
Thank you. Well, you as well man.
We'll a couple things I want to do.

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I want to properly introduce youfirst and foremost for any folks
listening that might not know you.
We have a tradition on the show where we let ChatGPT do the
heavy lifting. Love it.
So if I can I'll open up with who ChatGPT thinks you are.
You tell you tell me how close it got.
It's. Like son of a bitch.
Yeah. Oh, God.
Brian Hannon is the founder of Trinity Sauna, a company

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dedicated to bringing the benefits of infrared saunas to
homes. Cottages.
Oh, yeah, not infrared. I even knew that one.
Come on, ChatGPT. But it's sauna.
Yeah, electric sauna, wet sauna.It's back.
Go on. Yeah, and then it says and
Wellness bases across Canada because you're mobile.
We're going to talk about that. With a background in
entrepreneurship and a passion for holistic health, Brian has

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built a business that merges innovation and Wellness.
He helps clients improve recovery, sleep, mental clarity
and overall vitality through thehealing power of cold and hot.
Interesting that. Sounds awesome.
Tell me. I want to pause there because
the infrared thing, you're righton that.
What's the difference between your saunas and an infrared
sauna? Infrared saunas are normally set

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at a lower temperature in around1:50 and it's supposed to
penetrate the skin more. Whereas the electric sauna, we
can set it at one 85190. It's just your more traditional
sauna. And then the sauna out the back
is a wet sauna. It just adds a little bit of
moisture to you can put the water on the stones.
You can steam it up past 185 if you really want to, if you enjoy
the heat. And they're both great saunas.

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It's just nice to have two options.
It's like, here's a sauna, it's great.
Here's another sauna. It's where take your pick or mix
and match. And yeah.
Yeah. And then it goes on to say more
than just a business owner, Brian is a high integrity, high
energy leader who walks the walk.
He believes in proactive health,real conversations and building
things that last, whether it's his business, his communities,

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or a legacy for him and his young family.
I think I got that one. Where did you just put this into
ChatGPT? And this is what I came up with.
Yeah, yeah. That's.
Pretty good, the Internet, man. So that's that's probably good.
It goes on to say just some other stuff, but I want to
specifically ask you about it. So introduce Trinity Sauna to

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those that don't know it. What do I see?
What do you do there? So, so I'm the owner and founder
of Trinity Sauna, Inc, which is a holistic Wellness facility on
Beach Blvd. just past the Lift Bridge in Hamilton.
And really it's a, it's a recovery facility through the
use of hot and cold truth contrast therapy.
So we spend, you know, a certainamount of time, 15 minutes in

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the sauna and then we spent 3 1/2 minutes in the cold tub.
And the mixture of the two is contrast therapy.
And so when I started all this off, it was really aiming
towards physical recovery for athletes and, you know, runners,
cyclists, all these people are going to use it.
And I couldn't have been more wrong with that because it's
just the, the, the amount of people that it helps far past

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physical recovery is just incredible.
But the main thing about TrinitySauna, Inc is it's like a little
Oasis so close to downtown Burlington, downtown Hamilton,
right in the middle for recovery.
It's Oasis for recovery. But it's really become, you
know, a place of healing for a lot of people mentally,
spiritually, emotionally, physically, you know, it's, it's

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become something that's really, really special.
How'd you get the idea? So I come from, I've been in
sales since I've probably been 18 years old and as of late, you
know, probably in the last I've played rugby since I was seven
years old. I've always been active and over
the last kind of five years I started to get into personal

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training. So I was personal training at
F45 Downtown Burlington, and then I was personal training at
a boxing gym out in Oakville, Oakville Boxing Academy.
And it really did become something that I was super
passionate about. Like I just loved helping
people. I loved motivating people.
I loved being in that, you know,physical Wellness, space.

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And so do you want me to jump like right into why Trinity now?
Give. Us like because it really is
where the idea came from becauseyou know, I was at a crossroads
where it was like pick you can pick the same life that you've
been living or go something different which kind of you're
passionate about because honestly, this story starts
from, you know, back in Ireland like I was born in Ireland in

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Dublin in a little town just in the West of Dublin called Lucan
to a broken family, unfortunately.
And, you know, I just, I, as I was growing up, I just, a lot of
things just seem normal to me, which I'm now realizing or not
from the age of about 12 years old, I had a real bad

(05:13):
relationship with alcohol. So like, I probably would black
out once twice a week from that age until I eventually gave up
drinking. And obviously now I realize that
what I was doing was, you know, hiding a lot of stuff, numbing
the whatever's going on in my head.
And just alcohol was the, you know, helped me not feel that

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way. And so that was unfortunately
something that I had lasted my entire life.
Like obviously being Irish, everybody thinks you're great at
drinking and I was great at drinking.
You know, I had no problem in that space.
And, and what happened was it just, it started to really
affect me the older I got in life.
And unfortunately, you know, about probably nearly three

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years ago now, I went through a divorce.
And I always say this to an incredible woman and an unreal
mother to Keegan because I have a lot of respect for her.
But it just it, it just wasn't working.
And unfortunately went through adivorce.
And at that stage after that, itjust went insane.
So my, I didn't care what happened to me.
I didn't care how much booze went to my body.

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I didn't care what I put into myself.
So you can use your imagination for that.
I just was on such a downward spiral and I was still in the,
you know, I still personal training and I was still always
active. I was still always doing these
things. But this drink was just like, it
just had me. And then why I say that?
Is that about, you know, the following?
I separated in September the following May.

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Like it was the boiling point of, you know, the substance
abuse and just being a total lunatic like I was.
I did not care what happened andyou could use your mind to the
end result of that. I did not care what happened.
And then unfortunately, May 5th,2023, I was drinking all day.
You know, I worked out in the morning.

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I was drinking all day. And the scary thing is I don't
remember making this decision, but after the night, I got
behind the wheel of my truck. So we went to drive home and,
you know, I stopped on the side of the road and music is
blaring. Like, I should not have been
driving. Like, unfortunately, that's
something I'm going to have to live with for probably the rest
of my life. And I hate that about myself.

(07:25):
But it is a real turning point because, you know, just some a
woman pulled over and he wanted to see if I'm OK.
And obviously, I wasn't OK. And we're all humans.
A lot of people could have been like, let me move your truck
here and let me take your keys. And you can deal with this
tomorrow. And that's not what happened.
And thank God that that woman did the right thing and called

(07:47):
the cops and they came and I gotarrested.
I went spent the night in jail because that was like such a low
point. Like it that to me that was just
what are you doing? And from May 6th, you know, the
next day, that's when I gave up booze and never again.
And obviously then you have to tell work they got a DUI.

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So then I was three months off the road straight away.
So I had to do Ubers, taxis, I had to get 3 buses to Keegan's
Baseball, you know, practices, games, everything.
It was awful. Trains to work, all this stuff.
But I said that I could make it work, and I did make it work.
I still perform, still did all that.
Then I got back on the road in August and then unfortunately

(08:32):
the following January, then I was back in court.
And then I got my 18 months off the road, 6 months totally not
driving, and 12 months with a breathalyzer.
And then, you know, there's justall these tasks like just have a
drink like that'll make you feelbetter because it's going
through the divorce, going through the DUI.
And then January came around andthen I got let go from work.

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So I've been there for 10 years and when people say like, you
just make one stupid decision could totally change your life
like it 100% did. Because what came from that was
like, you know something, you think you're so secure and
they'll never let me go from this job.
All of a sudden then I'm you're,you're done.
So I was like, wow, what am I going to do now?

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And thankfully I had a trip booked to see a good buddy of
mine over in Singapore and we went to Bali.
And so I and I wasn't drinking and we have grown up on the
booze together. So like it's always a task going
on holidays, like, you know, will I drink when I'm backing
on? Will I drink when I'm on
vacation? And I was just focusing on my,
my Wellness. So I would do, I checked out all

(09:35):
the CrossFit gyms, boxing gyms, any sort of Wellness resort.
And I was in a bunch of these places that just was like hot
and cold. Like even though it's 40° in
Bali, there's people still in the sauna, people still in the
cold plants. People look so happy.
And I'm like, this looks interesting.
And it's such a good thing to add on because they remember I'm

(09:57):
in Bali with no job. I don't know what I'm going to
do. I don't know what's coming next.
And so I wanted to stay in the fitness industry because it's
just something that I was passionate about, something I
did outside of work hour or something to help me through
sobriety. And I didn't feel like open a
gym was a clever move because there's just so many of them.

(10:17):
And so all of a sudden I'm sitting in one of these
facilities in Bali and it's justlike, wow, recovery.
Like if I do recovery, then I can, you know, help every
business that I've coached that because all their people can use
recovery to benefit their workouts.
And now all of a sudden you havea bunch of adjacent partners
versus direct competitors from opening up a gym.

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And so once that, once that ideawas there, I was like, this is
what I'm going to do because like, again, you talk about, you
know, tasks and what do you obviously I have to tell my kid
what happened? I'm like, well, what kind of dad
do you want to be now? Like you're going to just settle
for whatever job comes along or are you going to use this as a

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teaching point? And I was like, I'm not going
back to a corporate world where unfortunately they would suggest
when I shouldn't, shouldn't see him or get daycare and this and
that. And I was like, I'm not doing
that ever again. So I was like, I'm going to do
my own thing. And I talked him through it.
I showed him the building. I, you know, I was like, this is
what we're going to do. And then I just flooded a
designer with all the ideas and things that I fell in love with

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in Bali in the what's now Trinity Sun Inc on Beach Blvd.
which I wouldn't be on Beach Blvd. if it wasn't for the
divorce. And then see this building and I
flooded them with the design. He came up with something that
was close to what I had in my head.
And then obviously it was time to take the building.
I just started building it out. He was there with me the whole

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time when I had him. He was building it with me when
I didn't have him. I was working 24/7 and it just
started to come together like this crazy vision, this, you
know, idea of having something that I could control, you know,
inspire him in any way. All of a sudden started to come
to life and I was like, that is such a good like it.

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And it's it's so it's so well used in so many different facets
of life. Like I just said that the idea,
that's where the idea came from.That's unfortunately the pain
that I had to go through to realize that I was probably
destined for something better than just being a piss out.
And then I came to why we're open on Beach Blvd. now.

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Yeah. That's a lot, man.
Well, first, I mean, Congrats onyour sobriety That, that is
monumental. We've had a lot of guests on
here talk about that and how hard that is and, and everybody
walks their own journey with that.
So, so good for you for using that catalyst.
And yeah, that's just, that's not easy, man.
Yeah. What's how do you keep your head
into it? What, what's worked for you to

(12:47):
maintain that sobriety? It's.
Honestly, like just thinking back to some of the stories is
just terrifying. Like now it's like looking at
life with a clear glasses or whatever this saying is like the
minute I stopped drinking, I just felt like I had more more

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focus on things that mattered. Like from very early on, I was
like, I feel like I've just gotten, you know, 60% of my time
back because I would honestly wait for Thursday and drink till
Sunday, maybe Monday and then look forward to Thursday again.
And like there's so many things that I just was not proud about,
like quality time with Keegan. Like I would, you know, in ways

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set up things that I could go and play with, you know, or he
could go and play with my friends kids who may be 5 or 6
years older than him. But then dad gets to drink with
his buddy while he does that andlike thinking about things like
that, it's just like, that's just so not right.
And like, your whole, like, my whole thing is to be the best

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dad. And like, is that are those
decisions of someone that you would want to be?
Like, absolutely not. And so I just always think back
to these exact examples of when I've discussed it myself.
Like, I just had enough of myself at that stage where I
gave up booze and it was just like, I can't do this anymore.
That guy actually scares me. And he has many different names.

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Some people call him Byron Gannon.
That's one of my drunk alter egos.
Hamlin, another drunk alter ego because he's done something
stupid, something insane that was funny at the time because
we're all drinking. But to me, like I just I
honestly, what keeps me focused is my kid Keegan is the most
important thing to me. And if I'm back on the booth, if

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I went back on the booth, like if I had this bottle of wine
right now, I would leave here and I go to a restaurant and I
don't know how many days it would last for, but I that would
probably be the end of everything positive that I've
done. You going to four day Bender and
just read? It all absolutely, yeah, full
scent. There is no having a glass of
wine. There is no having a pint with a
sandwich or anything. It's what's next.

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What's next, What's next, what'snext.
And so, you know, what keeps me on track is just the fear of
that guy being let out again. I got this.
There's any amount just over theweekend, some of the stories
that I was telling. And then I sit back and I just
go, Jesus, that's bad. Like and there's many of them,

(15:22):
so many. So that keeps me on track.
But also just, you know, allowing myself to be proud of
what I'm doing now. It's like, look at what you've
done. Look at, you know, all the
progress you've made with, you know, going to therapy with in
the gym, you know, with showing him Keegan what is possible from

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a good dad. This is that outweighs any
temptation to go on the bus, I joke.
You've got something else now giving you that high.
Yeah. It's your kid.
It's the business. It's, it's everyone else in your
life that you've that you've turned around giving you that
high. Yeah.
Yeah, big time. And it's like, you know, when
people talk about just goes puresavage in the gym or just go

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pure savage in whatever, I I getthat.
But like, I made a decision to stop being one person and now I,
you know, the beauty of sobrietyis that you don't have to deal
with that person anymore. But in my case, I now have to
look at 25 years. So when I stopped drinking, I

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was 37 and I had a 25 year career of just pure debauchery.
And so now I have to look back at that person and I have to
rebuild everything that he was numbing.
And so the beauty of sobriety isnot having to do all those
things anymore. But the, the like, the beauty
and the curse of it is that now all I'm left with is everything

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up here. And it's a lot of times because
normally you would just go, I, Isaid this to my therapist
before. I was like, I know how to feel
real good after this meeting. And I think you do too, But
that's not an option anymore. She's like, well, it is an
option because you could just godrink right now, but you're
choosing not to. And so like, you know, we talk
about mental health and, you know, what's masculine and

(17:11):
what's, you know, the manly thing to do.
Well, why not go savage on yourself too, You know, like,
work on what's upstairs, talk about how you feel.
Anybody can talk to me about anything.
I encourage it all the time. I've had the most, you know,
masculine kind of tough guys into Trinity.
And we have cried together because we're working through

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something. And if you hold that space for
someone special, all right. Yeah, well, it is special, man.
And you've done a great job withthat, too.
I mean, that's evident when you walk in.
You know, I've, I've had the opportunity to be there a
handful of times and I brought some friends too.
And they, they all say the same thing.
Like, you know, there was one just recently with JD Shadow.

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JD who he was the same one too. He came in not knowing what to
expect. I just kind of told him like,
grab your trunks. We're we're going to hang out
for a couple hours. Yeah.
What's interesting is is how youdo hold that space and how it
becomes more than just getting in cold, getting in hot with
some of the things you've seen and how how do people change
when they're they're against that kind of adversary in the

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cold and the hot. This kind of goes back to the
type of people that comes to Trinity because like, again, in
my mind, it was going to be all sports people.
It was going to be weight, lifters, body, all this kind of
stuff. And then it's not though, like
it's like, you know, firefighters that have been
through a lot police, you know, officers that have been through

(18:37):
a lot emergency response people,you know, older, like older
women, like older men. Like this is the, the, the
variety of people that come in. It's just so vast.
I've had younger guys in and everybody's dealing with
something. The thing that I love about
community is that I'm particularly in PYC yoga, para

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yoga in Burlington, shout out toPYC.
But at the end of the every class they have like a spiritual
reading or something that you know, will leave you thinking
after the class, wow, that was really special.
And every single time I am there, I'm like, you're, you're,
did you read that for me? Well, news flash, everybody in

(19:18):
that room thinks that they're reading it for them.
And every time I go to a CrossFit class, everybody's
dealing with something in there.Go to a high rocks class,
everybody's dealing with something in there.
Spinko, Spinko in Burlington or Hamilton, everybody's dealing
with a lot of stuff. If you have the ability to hold
space for someone, not in an intimidating way and certainly

(19:40):
not in a way that they feel uncomfortable, you know,
allowing themselves to be vulnerable.
There's so much growth that can happen and there's such a
special moment that can happen and putting someone in cold
water brings that out because I tell them, I say make sure that
when you're in here, be vulnerable.

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Talk to me, let me know what's happening so that I can help
you. My feet are cold, my feet are
cold and then I calm them down. My hands are cold.
Whatever is going on, you're encouraging a habit of being
vulnerable, which you're not encouraged to do ever.
So I nobody speaks to anybody because they're afraid to.
But if you put yourself in a position to be.

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Caring of those emotions and, you know, hold a space for
whatever's going on in their head.
That's where this special momenthappens.
And honestly, like me and Bubba say it in Trinity, if there is a
day that goes by that we don't cry, it's strange because we
have the ability, and I'd alwaysknew I had the ability to be

(20:43):
some be there for someone in a really shitty, challenging time.
I can be there for you. I know how to just be and I
don't need to say anything and make you feel comfortable.
And then all of a sudden you have a facility that allows
people to do that. Think of the ripple effect
there. It's like whether you're the 65
year old woman or whether you'rethe 80 year old nun that was

(21:04):
obsessed with Trinity until she went back to Australia, or the
firefighter or the sports personor the guy that just had a shit
day. All of a sudden I've like you're
changed. Your mind has changed from
coming in and going from Trinity, and that's a very,
very, that's a lot of responsibility to hold, but
there's so many special moments that's happened there, like

(21:27):
people in tears and just huge growth.
Like on our page, people are so generous to share it too because
it's like telling their story and it's like my God, like it's
if it hits me emotionally a lot.That's awesome, man.
Yeah. How have you found your your
sobriety and your journey over the last like 2 years?
Change your friend circle and your and your group?

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Like is your group in your circle changed a lot or is it
still pretty much the same people or?
It's it's changed, it's drastically changed.
And you know, I don't want to, Idon't want to say anything
that's unfair to anybody, but just the way that sobriety works
is that you have to take yourself out of certain

(22:09):
situations. And for me, you know, one of
them was the rugby club because I because there's such a
drinking culture there. And so I just took myself right
out of it. And then it was like, that's not
you. Like this place has been such a
home for you for since you got to Canada.
I was like, this solution is notjust eliminating that from your

(22:31):
life. And so yes, I had to eliminate
nights out and all these things that would tempt me.
But like being at the rugby cluboriginally was very, very scary
because it was like, oh God, I just want to drink all day.
But then you have non alcoholic beers.
And then I went back and I was, you know, socializing with non
alcoholic beers and just being in the environment.
And then I would, you know, maybe 6-8 months later, I would

(22:54):
venture on a night out for as long as I could and then kind of
just like move that forward withsocializing.
But like friends groups. Yeah, it's just when you look at
challenging times in your life and you really find out who your
friends are, look at this. I would say the shit that I've

(23:16):
gone through, but I also, I've put people through, you know,
the divorce, there was a shit show.
Well, sorry, the what came from that, from my behavior was a
shit show and everybody had to deal with that, you know,
getting let go from work, not having a job.
Like there was just a lot of really tough things that
happened that the people that stuck around and were are really

(23:39):
close to me and advise me and encourage me and motivate me or
I don't want a big group anymore.
That's the thing. Like I would want is I, I was
when I moved out to Beach Blvd. my mom asked her, she's like,
you OK. And I'm like, yeah, she's like,
you've never been on your own. And, and it's true.
I would want party. I want people everywhere all the
time. But now I just want my yeah,

(24:02):
just like the close people to me.
Like, because I want to be, I want to be inspired by the
people around me. I don't otherwise then you're
just in a cage of people that don't inspire you and bring you
down. And so I have to keep from my
mental well-being and for everything that I'm trying to do
for everybody else, I have to keep it to a tight group of

(24:23):
people. And you know that that's on a
Sunday evening, that's four of us, five of us sitting around
the coop having chicken with a chicken fingers and fries like
10 year olds and, and going hometo bed.
It's 8:30, right? And for me, that's that's
quality. Yeah, how old is?
How old is Keegan? He's 8.

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OK. Did he understand the the
journey in the situation when hewas I guess like 5 at this time
when you kind of hit your rock bottom?
He he did, he didn't really, he's very easy gone.
And I also think he's very youngstill.
I'll bring that back up with himwhen he's like a little bit
older and can understand it properly because like I've asked

(25:05):
him, I'm like, do do you prefer that when he's drinking or not
drinking? He's like, I don't know.
But like, and then for him, likehe's just such a great kid, but
like. I'm sorry he he didn't see the 6

(25:36):
buses and three hours of travel to baseball.
He just all time with his dad so.
He made sure it affected him as least as he possibly could.
Yeah, he also just didn't understand it.
Like it's too young. And obviously that will, you

(26:03):
know, I'll have to explain that to him in time because there's a
time where it's going to come where he has 6 points and he's
sitting around with his buddies.And that's like old.
I only live 2 miles down the road, you know, and I'll explain
it to him when he's, when he's old enough to understand because
he just doesn't. He just doesn't get it.
Yeah. He's too innocent.

(26:23):
Like he's just just wants to be happy.
He just wants to play baseball, just wants his dad to be happy.
It's a blessing in a way, right?Yeah.
Absolutely yes. It's brought so much good, that
low point because it's just so easy to get down on yourself.
And that's when I like when I gave up booze.

(26:47):
And that's when the obsession with just fitness Wellness,
doing better for myself, showinghim a better example came from
and we spent so much time in theboxing gym.
Like all of a sudden I'm surrounded by these tough guys
that have a really tough pass, but they're the most sensitive
guys that I can relate to. It was such a special

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environment, like Oakville Boxing Academy, like brought me
out of the shift and just provided me a tough, sensitive,
everything I needed from a spaceand from coaches and people they
had and me and him spent so muchtime there.
And all of a sudden he's my biggest fan.
He's, you know, going through all the training with me.

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He's holding pads for me. He walks me out to every fight
with the Ireland flag. Like it's just this crazy
special moment between US and, you know, yeah, I want to win a
fight. And but like what?
Looking at him, walking it, Yeah, it's just all all it's
about. And, and I'm like, that is my
why, you know, And all of a sudden through this, you know,

(27:55):
I'd have times that I've won andI can send you pictures of this,
but there's a time when I lost and he's devastated.
He's like, how could you live? Like what happened?
And I'm like, this is what happens, man.
We're going to come back. We're going to work harder.
We're going to get this back. All of a sudden, life lessons
right there as well. And so it was so special like
this. And then there was another fight

(28:15):
that they had Keegan wasn't allowed go to.
And I was like, OK, cool. Well then I'm not fighting.
And this is at CBC Studios. So it's like, I will not be
there unless he's there. And there he is with his cowboy
hat on, Ireland flag, walking meout because that is my why.
I wouldn't have raised 10 grand for charity if he wasn't a part
of it. So yeah, it's been.

(28:37):
It's just it's so easy to get down on yourself.
But you can't forget what a blessing this was.
Like, thank God for that woman that did not let me away with
that. I'm always so curious whether,
like, what she felt about that night.
But she changed the course of mylife, my kids life, and probably
everybody that I've been able tohelp through Trinity from doing

(29:00):
the right thing. I needed that.
Have you been able to to repair that relationship with your ex
now? And like, now that you've gone
had your demons and dealt with them and she sees the path that
you're on. Yeah, she's like, in a lot of
ways she is. We've become really good
friends. Like she's like, I think we
always were meant to be friends and we got a beautiful boy out

(29:22):
of this. And she's such a she's such a
support for me, like through everything because she's like,
I'm running a business. It's demanding.
And she's like, I'll help, I'll help, I'll help.
She's in it. She's just, yeah, I'm so, so
thankful for her and our relationship.
That's awesome. Yeah, I want to ask just because

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we always talk about trip. My dad taught me, go back to
Ireland for a second and just tell me, give me a little bit
about what life was like there and what's life like now with
your parents. So I was 2 weeks old when he
left my mom. So that was never a thing that I

(30:08):
had to experience. So my mom raised me and see my
brother from, yeah, I was 2 weeks old, he was 2.
And yeah, we, we grew up in a, in a home where she wanted to,
obviously she wanted to provide for her kids, but she was super
busy all the time. Like it was, you know, she was

(30:30):
trying to work 2-3 jobs at a time.
Like me. I, I joke about it all the time,
but like there was probably a lot that we were left alone for,
but taught us a lot. Like I, I remember being young
kids doing our laundry, making dinners, all these things that
she taught us from an early age because it's like we got to
survive here. And it's single mom mentality.
Like it's not, it's probably thethe hardest job in the world for

(30:53):
two kids. But life was great.
Like I, you know, grew up with the single mom and she sent me
to a rugby school. So from an early age I was
playing rugby, which was awesome.
And yeah, I think the effects ofall the like, but being brought

(31:16):
up in a broken family have now started to come to my
realization of how that makes animpact.
Because I would always be staying at someone's house or I
would like, I went to school maybe an hour and a half away
from where I lived. So I'd have to get 2 buses
there, 2 buses back. Sometimes I'd get back from
rugby training at like 10:30 at night and I'm up for a 7:00 AM

(31:37):
bus the next day. And so a lot of the time I would
stay with other families. And while it was great to stay
with other families, it was alsolike, how come you all have
dinner together and at the tableand your dad is like super
encouraging and your mom is super happy.
And this is, oh, that's what thefamily life is supposed to look

(31:59):
like. And so, yeah, I have to deal
with a lot of that, which, again, I would just drown out by
just partying all the time with my friends.
That was my happy time. And then we, my mom was
grateful. We had a very strange
relationship. And, you know, there's a lot

(32:20):
that goes into this. But at the age of 17, I just
came home one day and all my stuff was in black bags.
OK, well, what am I going to do now?
So like moved out, I ended up working as an electrician.
I would deliver pizza, chipper food at night time.
I would just had three or four jobs on the go, living on my
own. And then yeah, that was just

(32:42):
life, right? It's just like, OK, well, this
is what we're going to do now. And I guess when you look back
to all of that, it's pretty important stuff to have gone
through because why, why am, whyis my focus so much on, you
know, be the man that you want your son to be, be there for

(33:03):
him, like show him the right way.
Well, I'm, I was kind of taught very early on what not to do was
like, I didn't have anybody there.
So I'm all when it comes to being a dad, I'm all that that
kid has, you know what I mean? Like there, there could be, you
know, if someone else comes intothe scene and you know, is is

(33:25):
with my ex and whatever else happens, that's that's great.
He'll help guide Keegan, But he's only ever got one dad.
And so I think from what I had gone through up until this
point, it was this was just likemy calling was always to be the
best dad ever. And up until 2 1/2 years ago, I
wasn't. And so is it, is it such a good

(33:47):
picture on my on my wall back home?
And it's like me and Keegan, black and white picture.
And he's just looking up at me. I'm looking down and I'll send
it to you. Yeah, do it.
And he's just looking up at me. And it's just like so such
beautiful vulnerability from him.

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And I look at this. In the ring.
Too, Yeah. And so yeah, I just like that
that from that .2 years ago, that's when I was like, this is
this is now your time to prove that you're supposed to be this
dad that you had glorified in your head for all these years.
Like get your shit together. And So what what I love about

(34:30):
that pictures is 2 kids in that picture.
You just can't see one. And that's deep.
I'll try to get through this, but there's obviously Keegan
there and then there's the younger me that needed someone
that didn't have them and so nowI'm dragging us all up out of
that. Yeah, how'd you, how'd you learn

(34:52):
to be that dad? Honestly, I think from from not
not having anything, I just whenyou talk about blueprints, I was
given no blueprints. I'm not perfect by any means.
I know I have a lot of stuff to work on.
I noticed times when I lose my temper.
I noticed times where, you know,I can act differently and I'm

(35:14):
always learning, I'm always trying to be better, but I
genuinely just want to be the best dad ever to him.
And I just want him to be happy.I want him to be motivated.
I want him to do things that make him happy.
And I also want him to avoid anyof the kind of suffering or
uncomfortableness that I went through.

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And so like, it's, it doesn't take a lot like every night,
like I want him to be able to talk to me about anything.
You know, it's the same with everybody.
When I talk to friends or anybody that I encourage them to
be vulnerable with me, hold an open space.
I do the same with Keegan. So then you have to have a
little trick of how to do that. So every night before we go to
bed, we do pillow talk because he sleeps with me.

(35:58):
And so before bed, like pillow talk.
Is there anything that you need to talk about?
Is there anything that you need to tell me?
What was exciting about today? What are we going to look
forward to tomorrow? And we do it both to each other.
And I'm like, all right, buddy, time for night, night and then
switch off the light. It just provides a space for him
to be able to talk. And like, I guess the gestures,

(36:19):
even though he's so young, are it's just so important that it's
again, it's memories Like we want when we die, we want to be
left with memories, not failed intentions.
And so we have to act on these special things that come into
our minds. And so through the separation,
for example, he was terrified togo to this new school, new
school, new friends. This is going to be hard.

(36:41):
And I'm like, I get it buddy, I can't do this for you.
You're going to have to do it onyour own.
And obviously I felt a guilt that this is what he had to go
through. But I'm like, why don't I do
something that scares the shit out of me the day before you go
back to school And then we can talk about our emotions as we're
leading up to it because I'll bescared too.
And so I booked skydive for the day before he went back to
school. And like people, you don't have

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people like you can't do skydive, you're parents because
it's irresponsible. I was like, well, I gave him a
front row ticket to that one, but it was just beautiful
because again, it gives him a chance to talk.
I'm like, hey, man, I'm nervous.Like I'm, I can't stop thinking
about this. How about you?
He's like, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of scared, but not as bad this
week or whatever. It was just a really nice lead
off to it. And then he walks, mocked me or

(37:25):
you watch me walk off to the plane land, you know, with the
dude I was with. And then next day he went to
school and it made it easier. It was like this fun thing that
we had. And I just always try and, you
know, push the push the envelopethere with like creative ways of
just like connecting with them because it's, it's important.
We do a lot of work on ourselves.

(37:47):
And so, you know, why not implement them with our kids?
Next time you're scared of something, you're going to climb
Mount Everest then. Yeah, no, it's going to be a
little tough to top. Yeah, it came out a little bit.
Hot with that one. Yeah, yeah, go big.
What did you do at Tandem? Like the Adam instructor on your
back. Yeah, that's cool.
And again, like, you know, the way we talk about doing hard

(38:08):
things and like, once you've done it, like, there's these
little things, You know, all my life I've kind of thought about,
how are you harnessing? Like, what does it feel like?
And it was crazy because on the way up in the plane, I'm like,
windows flapping. I'm like, this is so unsafe.
And I'm like, well, you're aboutto jump out of this thing.
But like, they hook you on this four connectors.
He's like, and really, at that stage, you have no choice.

(38:31):
It's happening. But then, yeah, the exhilaration
of jumping out of a plane like it was unreal.
Yeah. Have you done it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did tandem.
I went to Burnaby was the name of the the little town in
Ontario that I did it at. Yeah, super fun.
But yeah, so much it's that'll that'll get all the emotions
going. Real quick, yeah, especially.
You've got a kiddo on the groundwatching.

(38:51):
There's no backing out at that point.
Ohhh, yeah, yeah. The getting kids to talk at
night is a good one too. The thing that we do in my house
is we do pits and peeks. So I'll always ask, you know, in
your day or since the last time we did it, what's, you know,
what's the low? What's the high?
But the trick that I put on it is then I have to go.
So I'll do my pits and peeks as well too, so they can see, you

(39:11):
know, a little bit into my world.
What, what daddy got up to that day?
Because sometimes just just giving them the the opportunity,
It's, it's crazy what kids will tell you if you, you know,
really, really try and have those conversations, especially
in a safe spot, like you're, youknow, getting ready for bed or
whatever. It's super important to do it
too. So important.
Yeah, yeah. And kids are great, even at that

(39:32):
age, too, the stories they come up with.
And yeah, yeah. I never get tired of it.
And that's the shit they're going to remember 1020 years
from now too. They're going to remember every
night going to bed. And you know you'll always have
that, that moment with them. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, I find
like these days, like, you know,we, we have the ability to do
stuff that we never focused on in the past.

(39:54):
And like, you know, like even like talking about your emotions
when I was younger, it was just not something that you really
did. And so I, I, you know, imagine
the difference that it could have made to us when we're much
younger. If someone did have these peaks
and valleys or pillow talk conversations with us, how could
that have changed us? And if you really think about

(40:15):
it, it would be massive because you provide like, then you can
process some of the stuff going on in your head.
Then we're doing it to these little people at an early age
because we've been through all that.
It's it. Yeah.
That that is what they will remember.
And it'll be God knows how important to them.
But one day we'll come around when it's like, you know what?
Thanks for doing that. Or maybe they do it to their

(40:36):
kids. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And we, you know, what's neat
about the show is we, we get these real smart people we get
to sit down with, with their ownjourneys and experiences and
histories. And there's common threads,
though, that we keep hearing, like the word community comes up
almost every time because that'syour, that's your base, that's
your, you know, sanity, that's your peer group, That's your.

(40:59):
And there's a lot of guys that miss that piece because maybe
they didn't play rugby or they didn't, you know, have the
opportunity to play organized sports or they didn't have a
great school experience or they had to move.
That's another one too, right? Even if you move a little bit
older, like I know a guy who's in his 20s who moved here and he
actually reached out on the Burlington dad's group because
he was like just searching for that community.

(41:21):
Like, what's the thing in this new city where I can feel a
little connected? Yeah.
People get as guys, specificallythey miss, you know, how
important that is to, to surround yourself with.
Yeah. With that community, be it sport
or, or otherwise. Right.
Yeah. And I think, too, that what's
neat about this is, well, so here, let me ask you a question
then. So let's Fast forward from, you

(41:43):
know, your childhood to where you are today.
The show is called Shit My Dad Taught Me.
What's the thing you'd want Keegan to know or to learn?
What's the thing you're teachingthem?
What would you want to tell him?Most definitely resilience and
that everything's going to be OK, like, and I can tell him my

(42:07):
experiences of like the some. There's been times where I'm
like, how much more can you take?
But then the answer is always inyour head.
It's like comes back to resilience.
You got to fight on. You got to do the right thing.
You got to just believe that something is going to happen for
you. And I always also show them
example, hard work, being a gentleman, hold the door for

(42:28):
women. Don't don't lose your temper.
Like just to do the basic stuff of being a nice person is going
to get you through a lot. And so yeah, like, I'll show
them. I'll show them a work ethic.
I'll show them all these things,you know, that will help him in
life and get him, you know, he'splaying rap baseball for
Burlington now. He's just, he's a workhorse,

(42:48):
too. And maybe that's because he sees
me do a lot of work. Maybe it's just because it's
ingrained into him. But yeah, resilience, being a
nice person, being honest. Like there's many, many times
where I'll make it super uncomfortable for him and
whichever person is coming through a door.
Like, you know, we were at Hutchyesterday and I'm like, dude,
get back here because there was a mother and a daughter coming

(43:11):
through. I'm like, get back here and do
what you know, you should do. He holds the door.
He says, ladies first, they walkout, they're happy.
I'm like, good for you. But it's just like teaching like
these little things like be nice, be a gentleman, be honest,
be resilient, be tough. But there's someone telling them
to be tough. Like I've another beauty of
being sober is like I know aboutmyself now that I've really

(43:33):
tough skin, but I really, reallysoft hearts.
Like I'm super emotional and I wouldn't change over the world.
So there's me, you know, I'll tell them to be tough, but I'll
show them how to be vulnerable and and to hold space.
Yeah, that that can be a superpower too.
My my favorite leaders, like even in the the, you know,
colored in the business world orwhatnot, are the ones that still

(43:55):
have that empathy and what they do, they still have that moral
compass where kindness is actually really high up.
You know, Gary Vee always says if I find anybody being shitty,
they don't work for me anymore. Like that kind of, you know, be,
be kind, be consistent that thatgoes pretty far.
And I think if you're not told that that's OK or shown how to

(44:15):
do that, that's a, that's a tough skill to be.
And I don't think anybody's naturally born with those
mannerisms. You almost have to see how to
hold the door and you almost have to be shown how to.
So that's, that's a big part of what we do as, as dads, right?
I think it also comes back to the What's that thing they say
about villains and heroes in themovie?
They've both been through the same story, but they've decided

(44:37):
to channel that a different way of what they do.
Like one becomes just, you know,murderous, outraged person and
the other one wants to protect everybody.
And I don't honestly, I think part of like certainly my
journey is is dealing with a lotof the trauma from the past has
just given me this want for everybody around me to be good
and happy and feel looked after and feel special in their own

(45:01):
way. And it doesn't matter if I've
just met you today or you know, I've known you for a long time.
I want everybody to feel that way.
And certainly on a business sideof things, that's what I've
heard from a lot of people as they feel that homely community,
just like different vibe in Trinity.
And that's what we're going for because anybody can sell hot and
cold, just get a sauna and have a cult up there.

(45:23):
But can you create a vibe or feeling or a community?
Different story because everybody does need it.
A lot of guys need it too. What's the goal with with
Trinity? Are you, are you one done with
this location? Is that, is that the goal?
Like that's your that's your safe space and that's your
that's your main thing? Or is your goal to grow this and
try and do this at a bigger level?

(45:43):
So, so I've thought about this alot of times and it, and my goal
is for however this manifests itself, my goal is that how do I
reach a bigger audience with howspecial it is for everybody
that's coming to Trinity right now, But hold the integrity,
hold the pillars, hold everything the same as what's

(46:04):
going on in Trinity, but be ableto help.
I want to help many, many people.
And if there was a way for me tobe all over Canada and people,
people's lives are changed. It's helping people.
It's, it's not for me. It's never been about the money
is what I'm trying to say. If I can, the more people I can
help. If that means opening another
location, then that's what I'm going to do.

(46:24):
The goal was always just to be in control of time with Keegan
and replace the money that I hadfrom my old job with this job so
that we have food on the table. To me, everything else is, you
know, whatever. Yeah, no, but.
And it's like when people, like on the deathbed, nobody ever
goes shit. I wish I had more money ever.
Ever. And so every day we wake up and

(46:47):
we can do something special for one person or just focus on
that. That's changed for me too.
How does your mobile part of thebusiness work?
So the mobile sauna out the backis I turned a trailer into a
sauna. So it just got a 17 foot
trailer, good it out frame. They've got the guys that built

(47:08):
the sauna inside to build a sauna in the trailer to wood
burning sauna at the back. But it's fully mobile.
So I was at a Mother's Day eventa couple weeks back.
I had it in Collingwood at a Ladies Day at a ski resort and
then I had it at a gym opening. The thing about it is sorry,
yeah. Thing about the mobile unit is
that when it's not at Trinity itit takes away from the

(47:32):
experience because it's really cool to be out there.
It's a little bit darker. It's obviously a moist, like wet
sauna. So you can steam it up to really
cool experience. And if I just rented it out to
everybody, again, it's like the pillar of community and doing
what's right for the community versus I could just rent it out
all the time and just, you know,get the income from rental, but
then everybody's experience taken away from.

(47:53):
So I will be, I'll be expanding that fleet of things to be able
to meet the demand for people that want to rent it out.
But it's very, it's, it's simple.
Like I'll be in Spencer Smith's Park in June.
They're doing a Wellness festival there.
And I'll just roll up with the trailer.
I have two cold tubs in the backof the trailer.
So I whip them out. I've been Astroturf and then

(48:15):
fill up the tubs, get some ice, put some wood in the sauna.
And, and you have a mobile contrast therapy, you know,
experience. Yeah, it's actually like, you
know, sometimes when you type yourself in the back, I'm like,
that's genius. So good for you, Bry.
The vibe is a is a great question and it goes back to,
you know, talk about those pillars of Wellness.

(48:36):
Spirituality comes up a lot too.Guys that are looking for
answers, you know, just more than the physical.
How do you define that? Go back to like Bali.
What was the like? You know how?
How have you addressed your spirituality through all this?
Pretty difficult way because like I don't think I really
fully understand spirituality versus being religious, like

(48:59):
super religious, but I because I'm not very religious and I
don't go to church, I don't practice.
Like see what grew up in a Catholic family.
My mom's a Christian now and there was a lot of examples
there of like, you know, being religious, but it just wasn't
something that I practice right now.
So but spirituality on the otherhand, is because I do truly

(49:21):
believe that everything happens for a reason.
I believe there is a greater power directing us somewhere.
Like one of the things that I'lldo is I'll do a block of therapy
sessions and then I'll, I'll do a Reiki session.
You know, obviously it shifts energy or it moves energy out of
the way and, you know, allows you to grow even further.
And you know, if I so we call itthe woo woo shit.

(49:43):
So like I've found that that is,it's another way to better
yourself. You know, spirit is therapy and
Reiki. And you know, like I was saying
about the everything happens fora reason thing, I truly, truly,
truly believe it does. I believe manifestation happens
and and it's when the good on the bad.
Like when it's easy to say everything happens for a reason

(50:04):
when shit's going good, but wheneverything is going bad, it's
like. Why me?
Why me? Why me and, and I've had a
couple of, you know, moments of late where I'm trying to help
people through stuff. And I'm like, believe me when I
tell you, you're going to get through this.
And the reason you're going to feel superhuman after this is
because you've gone through it. And for me, one of the right

(50:26):
sessions, she said, your, your guides are so present and you
could look at that and go whatever.
But I do believe that there's something there guiding you
through. I've found that I'm very, very
spiritual, not just from Bali. Bali was a great holiday.
It was, it was awesome place to be.
My spirituality has, has come from just having more of an open
mind, like listening to the, thewords and the the guidance from

(50:50):
yoga or Reiki or whatever. Like I'll just listen to stuff
now, not be embarrassed to actually practice it in a
therapy session. Why don't you close your eyes
while don't we visualize this kind of stuff?
I'm like, yeah, sure, let's do it.
If it's going to make me better,I'm into it.
So I would say I'm probably, my spirituality is growing for
sure. What that looks like, I'm not

(51:10):
sure, but I'm excited to find out.
That's cool. Yeah, just the awareness piece
is huge too, right? Yeah.
And especially once you start to, you'll be open to the idea
that there could be some energy flowing through, there could be
something we don't see, then youstart to see things a little bit
differently. Totally agree with you on the
point of, you know, you have to go through it.
You have to go through the trials and tribulations to, to

(51:32):
build the character, which we all have, man, we all have like,
and, and you know, even the mostsuccessful people that, that
I've come into, I mean, usually the most successful people are
the ones with the craziest stories of, of what on the
surface would look like a loss ends up being a turning point
or, or something that catapults to that, to that next level,

(51:53):
right. And it's, it's also such a good
it, it's, it's such a like important part of everybody's
life because we're taught just to just don't think about it.
Just get on with it. Come on, you're just, you know,
stop having a pity party. And I, I get that, but like,
I've, I've had the pity party and I've gotten over it.
And then I've, I've, I've approached people that I know

(52:16):
can hold the space for me and talk to them about it.
I've gone to therapy and done the work on myself.
I've done a lot of things that isn't just, you know, toughen
up, stop, you know, you stop crying about it.
And it's helped me get better. And so like, when we look at it
like mental health, and particularly men's mental
health, because girls love to get together and talk about
stuff and it helps them. And guys don't do that.

(52:38):
And then when you ask someone ifthey're OK, yeah, I'm fine, OK.
But like, are you? Every single time I've had a
deep and meaningful conversationwith a guy, it gets deep, it
gets emotional. It gets, you know, it helps.
It grows. Like I say to every single
person, like I've said already on this podcast, if you're going

(53:00):
through something, just walk in the doors of Trinity and just
know that I am there to listen to you.
Like whatever it is, I'm not there to judge, I'm not there to
say anything. I'm not, I don't care all I
can't. I don't care about subject
matter. I care about you and, and
knowing that you have somewhere to speak because guys will.

(53:20):
I don't, I don't know. You probably know the statistics
more than I, but there's so manyguys that just don't speak and
then we know what happens afterwards and there's guys that
choose to talk about it and they're the strongest guys that
I know. You know, like I can be in the
boxing ring, I can be in a crosswith gym, I can be in whatever,
you know, battering myself. And then I'm also the person

(53:40):
that's going to be the most emotional with you.
I'm going to cry with you. I'm going to make sure that I'm
I'm hurt and you're hurt. And that's that's growth right
there. That that's what truly helps.
Tell someone just to get over itdoesn't help.
Yeah. And then it's the ripples on
that too, right? Help somebody balance themselves
out, give them that space and then watch, right?

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Because especially in our littlebubble here, I mean, those are
your so here, you know, friends,they're your colleagues, they're
your kids, parents. Like you just never know.
And the more we can find that happiness, find that peace, the
the better it is going to be. You know, we were so fortunate
to be a part of men's capillary,which we talked about.

(54:23):
And that's another resource where it's just it's it's open,
you know, and Nelson and his team have done such a good job
of just saying if there's any men who want to talk about it,
or maybe they don't even know that they want to talk about it
yet, they just might want to listen.
Or they might just just want to be a part of a group rather than
a one-on-one because even that could be intimidating depending
on where you're at. They've done that.

(54:44):
So, you know, a couple nights a week right here, right at that
table, it's the same thing. Just just hold space and.
Brilliant. Let people talk and it's pretty
quick. You know, once a guy gets there
and once he realizes it's safe and everybody's just here to
support, then change happens. Yeah, go up until the
conversations had it's. Yeah, that can go the other way

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real quick. Yeah.
Yeah, and some of those guys, they just, they show up just to
listen, right? Like they might be dealing with
some shit, but they just want tobe there to like to be there.
Yeah, I mean like be part of something.
And then there's other guys thatthey, they feel better and they,
they need to talk for 20 minutesand, like, spill their guts
about everything. So, you know, guys come for, for
all different reasons of it. But yeah, it's amazing to see.

(55:25):
Yeah. I think we're up to like 100 /
160 male members now. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
Plus they're branching out to, there's a women's group now and
they've got a, a good outreach program now where they're going
out and giving keynotes and presentations and they're
looking at corporate venues justto, you know, go out and let
everybody know there's resourcesand, and start the dialogue

(55:46):
around those pillars of health. Because it's it, it is a neat
time because I do think people are willing to talk about it if
it's the right space, if it's, if it's the right time, then
then they can. And then change happens like
real quick. Yeah, yeah, good chats.
I always ask, is there anything else you want to pluck or talk

(56:06):
about any any other businesses that you got on the go?
Any resources you want to share?No, I, I, you know, you don't
really always have a fear that you won't get out what you
wanted to say at the start. But I think, I think we've
covered a lot. I think it's been, it's been
really good conversation. So I'm I'm happy with that.
We're happy to have you, man. Thank you again.

(56:26):
Thank you. We do a couple questions if you
don't mind. And I know we've touched on a
bunch and you've given us a a bunch of great answers, but we
always ask is there best advice?Is there anything you've heard
that you're like, man, I play that again over and over in my
head. It's helped me with this.
It's helped me with could be sobriety or parenting or
business. Is there any best advice you

(56:48):
want to share? I think my best advice would be
something that played over in myhead because there's any, any
sort of, there's so many resources out there now that you
can, you know, listen to all these successful people.
But one thing that stuck out of my head, particularly for
someone going through a tough time, and it really is what got
me through my tough times is that, and I just kept repeating

(57:11):
this over and over in my head. This is all part of the story
that you'll one day tell. So the bigger the problems, the
better the results. Whatever else happens at the end
of this, you're going to tell this story.
So you have the ability to finish this story whatever way
you want, and it's going to be OK.
Yeah. It's a great message.

(57:32):
And then switching gears, everybody's favorite segments,
we always ask all of our guests,could you bring a dad joke with
you? Have you got it?
So like I this is what I've beenmost.
Wanted to thank our sponsor WolfGlass for for being our Yeah our
dad joke sponsor. Yeah, so no pressure, but so.
I can blame the wine for this joke.

(57:53):
Yeah, and I proved it already this morning.
I was like, Keeks, can I just tell you a joke again?
And he laughed. And I'm like, OK, I think I'm
pretty much safe anyway. My audience is at the 8 year
old, so he loves it. But anyway, so when you have a
boat full of divers, why do theyfall backwards out of the boat?

(58:17):
Don't know. Well, because if they all fell
forwards, they just fall into the boat again.
Sometimes it's the simple things, you know?
Yeah, it's great, man. Thanks for the wine for that.
Joke. Yeah, it's Wolf Blast.
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Blast Yellow Label. Anything else you want to add,
Jamie? Anything we didn't cover?
Oh man, it was, it was awesome talking to us.
Great. Great to hear your back story
and and your trials and tribulations and amazing to to
know that three years ago you made a powerful decision.

(59:00):
Thank you. Yeah.
And thanks for the work you do, man.
I've I've had, it's been funny since we've connected, there's
been so many different, you know, degrees of separation of
people that have gone through and had the same experience at
your place. So I know you're doing the right
work. I know you're doing it
consistently and and thanks man.Yeah, yeah.
I guess the, when you asked, is there anything I want to say or
add to it an important thing Like people, because we've been

(59:23):
through all the powerful things that happen to Trinity, people
get so discouraged about going because they're not cold water.
People are, they're scared of 1 aspect of going to Trinity.
It's just understanding that there's a lot more growth than
just jumping in a cold tub and being guided through those
difficult times can be very, very, very, you know,
empowering. And if anybody's ever been

(59:43):
interested in coming, just give it a go.
Once you walk through the doors,we'll we'll look after you.
Yeah, yeah, I know that first hand.
Yeah, it's a great experience. Can't wait to give it a try one
of these days to hit it up. One of these guys, we'll get
them there. OK.
Thanks so much for. Thank you guys.
Appreciate you.