People often ask Dr. Johnson if astral projection (also known as an out of body experience or OBE) is the same as a lucid dream. No, it is not.
Dr. Clare Johnson will share:
- What an OBE is, using her original definition of this state of consciousness based on her research and countless personal OBEs and lucid dreams
- Why OBEs are not lucid dreams - but have experiential overlaps, especially if they begin from the dream state
- The five most common ways OBEs begin (some might surprise you)
- Simple, practical techniques
- What to expect—and how to stay calm if it happens
Whether you're brand new to the concept or have been curious for a while, this episode dips into the wonderful world of out of body experiences.
OBEs aren’t just for mystics or seasoned meditators. In this episode, you'll learn how everyday people can experience OBEs naturally, safely, and intentionally.
Upcoming Lucid Dreaming Ocean Retreats with Dr. Clare Johnson: Hawaii, Oct 25-29, 2025. And Portugal, May 19-23, 2026.
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