November 7, 2025 • 38 mins
In this powerful episode of Soma Says, Dr. Soma Mandal shares exciting news about her new role as Medical Director of Women’s Health at Hackensack Meridian Health. She’s then joined by special guest Krishna Avalon, a subconscious reprogramming expert who blends acupuncture, somatic healing, and subconscious therapy to help clients move through emotional blocks and accelerate healing.
Together, they explore the transformative power of the subconscious mind, including techniques like Psych-K and Internal Family Systems (IFS). Krishna shares how the pandemic reshaped her purpose, and why aligning the conscious and subconscious mind is key to lasting growth. If you’ve ever felt stuck, anxious, or disconnected from your inner voice, this conversation offers science-backed tools and spiritual insight to help you come home to yourself.
💫 Whether you're a woman in midlife, navigating burnout, or seeking clarity in the chaos, this episode is a must-listen.
🧠 Episode Breakdown 00:00 — Exciting New Role Announcement 01:18 — Introduction to Krishna Avalon 01:42 — Krishna's Journey into Healing 04:26 — Understanding the Subconscious Mind 07:39 — Exploring Psych-K and IFS 17:41 — Balancing Science and Spirituality 23:19 — Daily Practices for Subconscious Awareness 27:22 — Personal Stories of Transformation 35:59 — Final Thoughts and Contact Information
🔗 Connect with Krishna Avalon Website: https://www.krishnaavalon.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/krishnaavalon/
✨ Work with Krishna: Learn more about subconscious reprogramming, 1:1 sessions, and free tools at her website.
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I am thrilled to share some exciting news with all of you.
I've recently accepted the role of medical Director of Women's Health at Hackensack Meridian Health, specifically at Jersey Shore University Medical Center.
This new chapter is about so much more than a title.
It's about advancing women's health in a way that's comprehensive, compassionate.
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Evidence-based.
My mission is to build a program that truly supports women at every stage of life from reproductive health through menopause and beyond.
Combining the best of modern medicine with the holistic approaches I've always believed in, and I will continue to see patients as well.
I'm deeply grateful to my patients, listeners, and community who continue to inspire this work every day.
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There's so much more to come.
And I can't wait to share this journey with you right here on Soma says. 11 00:01:18,374.762 --> 00:01:25,814.762 If you're a woman in midlife, ready to release old patterns and step into your next chapter with clarity and confidence. 12 00:01:26,84.762 --> 00:01:27,854.762 This episode is for you. 13 00:01:28,214.762 --> 00:01:29,54.762 Meet Krishna Avalon. 14 00:01:30,449.762 --> 00:01:39,149.762 A subconscious reprogramming expert who helps women heal from the inside out, get ready to shift, expand, and rise. 15 00:01:42,404.07 --> 00:01:51,974.07 Welcome to Soma says you have successfully guided over 30,000 patients across 22 years, which is very impressive. 16 00:01:52,784.07 --> 00:02:05,399.07 What first led you to combine acupuncture, subconscious therapy and somatic healing into one integrated approach? Acupuncture was my first love in this life. 17 00:02:05,399.07 --> 00:02:14,699.07 So I've been doing that the longest for 24 years now, and practice that with so much love and joy and gratitude. 18 00:02:14,779.07 --> 00:02:20,119.07 Thankfully successfully for 17 ish years before pandemic hit. 19 00:02:20,299.07 --> 00:02:23,29.07 And I had already been really wanting to grow. 20 00:02:23,29.07 --> 00:02:25,459.07 For me, it's really important to stay inspired. 21 00:02:25,459.07 --> 00:02:28,399.07 It's, a necessity for me in my life. 22 00:02:28,459.07 --> 00:02:37,629.07 And I was already listening to podcasts and reading books that had to do with the subconscious mind, where we create 97% of our. 23 00:02:39,184.07 --> 00:02:44,134.07 And so I became obsessed because for me it was a missing piece. 24 00:02:44,174.07 --> 00:02:53,684.07 Oh, this is why I hadn't been able to change my life in the ways that other people seem to so easily do, or this is why. 25 00:02:54,194.07 --> 00:02:56,234.07 Things felt very discordant inside. 26 00:02:56,234.07 --> 00:03:03,874.07 'cause my conscious mind was trying to do one thing, but my subconscious beliefs were very contracted about myself and what I believed and thought I was worth. 27 00:03:04,324.07 --> 00:03:08,254.07 And so starting to work with those was starting to change my own life. 28 00:03:08,404.07 --> 00:03:20,504.07 And then when pandemic hit like so many, I was like, what am I gonna do? Maybe I can train in that work that I'd been really interested about and I did, started training in a process called Psych K during pandemic. 29 00:03:20,724.07 --> 00:03:23,184.07 Which took place actually here in this house. 30 00:03:23,184.07 --> 00:03:27,414.07 I ended up buying my teacher's house and she taught here for 12 years. 31 00:03:27,894.07 --> 00:03:31,954.07 And my life started to change, but then when I started offering. 32 00:03:32,329.07 --> 00:03:36,484.07 This work to the patients I was already working with to see what it would happen for them. 33 00:03:36,484.07 --> 00:03:41,254.07 Just the feedback I was getting without even having to ask was incredible. 34 00:03:41,254.07 --> 00:03:56,974.07 And this work is so simple and easy that I was like, okay, this is what I wanna focus on and honestly, it was something much higher than me, I would say, God, that led me into acupuncture, led me to cite K, and led me to the other formal mental health framework. 35 00:03:56,974.07 --> 00:04:00,634.07 I'm training, I've trained in as well called Internal Family System. 36 00:04:00,634.07 --> 00:04:14,624.07 So what I find is that it's the healing the world is asking for, and I'm an artist in healing and a creator, and I just think that most of the people that come to me need a combination of things and I'm able to offer things that help. 37 00:04:15,149.07 --> 00:04:16,949.07 People reach their goals very quickly. 38 00:04:17,9.07 --> 00:04:23,849.07 So long answer, but there are a lot of parts that led me to being where I am now. 39 00:04:24,209.07 --> 00:04:26,609.07 And I definitely wanted to talk about Psyche. 40 00:04:26,659.07 --> 00:04:46,879.07 But before we talk about that, what do you think that most people misunderstand about the subconscious mind and how it shapes our daily lives? I think that for a lot of people, we believe that healing from things that have been very difficult and traumatic is gonna be arduous. 41 00:04:46,879.07 --> 00:04:47,779.07 Hard work. 42 00:04:47,809.07 --> 00:04:55,849.07 Like we have this programming like, oh, it's taken me 40 years of this way of being that I don't like. 43 00:04:55,909.07 --> 00:04:58,189.07 It's gonna take a long time to undo that. 44 00:04:58,189.07 --> 00:05:06,439.07 And I think what people might misunderstand is because the subconscious does work with our beliefs, our habits and behaviors, that it's gonna be this big. 45 00:05:06,859.07 --> 00:05:18,624.07 Hard long process to peacefully tach is what we say in Psyche and go and have a new experience and then to create the subconscious programs that we want it. 46 00:05:18,629.07 --> 00:05:20,419.07 It doesn't have to take a long time. 47 00:05:20,419.07 --> 00:05:35,719.07 This is very different than Conscious Mind, like regular talk therapy because that just working with the conscious mind and that takes so much longer and so much effort to make change from or move on from. 48 00:05:35,779.07 --> 00:05:37,519.07 And so that's what I'd want people to know. 49 00:05:38,579.07 --> 00:05:43,999.07 You've talked about the connection between the conscious and the subconscious mind. 50 00:05:44,539.07 --> 00:05:49,673.07 What does that alignment look like in your practice? Conscious mind's very important. 51 00:05:49,673.07 --> 00:05:52,643.07 We need to intellectually understand and have awareness. 52 00:05:53,348.07 --> 00:06:00,818.07 It really is the subconscious though that does the heavy lifting and the deep excavating, like when we are trying to heal and move on. 53 00:06:00,818.07 --> 00:06:13,428.07 And a lot of people don't know that they are trying to rule the world with their conscious mind and they don't understand why it's so much work, or they're hitting resistance or not growing the way that they want to, and it's because you're not working with your subconscious. 54 00:06:13,428.07 --> 00:06:15,678.07 It could be so much quicker and so much easier. 55 00:06:16,713.07 --> 00:06:26,73.07 I often find that the subconscious for women at least comes out late at night, right? About when they're going to sleep or trying to go to sleep. 56 00:06:26,283.07 --> 00:06:40,208.07 And a lot of times that's when my patients tell me, and there are other reasons why they can be having these kind of symptoms, but a lot of the suppressed anxiety and, feelings that they may not have. 57 00:06:40,568.07 --> 00:06:44,648.07 May have repressed during the day, often come out at nighttime. 58 00:06:44,648.07 --> 00:06:51,233.07 Do you find the same thing and do you think that the subconscious has anything to do with that? I love that question. 59 00:06:51,368.07 --> 00:07:05,378.07 What I would say is that our subconscious mind is most receptive to making changes during that sleepy time at night, getting ready to fall asleep and before you're totally awake in the morning. 60 00:07:05,678.07 --> 00:07:07,598.07 I also think that when it's quiet. 61 00:07:08,273.07 --> 00:07:13,883.07 We're trying to go to sleep at night, that's when we'll be aware of the fu, the things that we've been holding. 62 00:07:14,403.07 --> 00:07:18,393.07 Time shows us too, where we are in our subconscious stress. 63 00:07:18,393.07 --> 00:07:23,813.07 So yeah, I think to your point that would happen for a lot of people that night. 64 00:07:25,463.07 --> 00:07:32,633.07 A lot of people feel stuck in repeating their emotional and relational patterns. 65 00:07:32,993.07 --> 00:07:41,993.07 How does the subconscious work begin to unlock these cycles? Say, K is a really simple process. 66 00:07:41,993.07 --> 00:07:46,823.07 The way I would guide you is again, that's about what is stressing you out right now. 67 00:07:46,823.07 --> 00:07:59,858.07 What's taking most of your head space? Where are you getting stuck hitting resistance? And it can be your deepest, darkest trauma, or it could just be something annoying that happened at work that you can't stop thinking about. 68 00:07:59,858.07 --> 00:08:00,848.07 It doesn't matter. 69 00:08:01,208.07 --> 00:08:14,28.07 The way I'd guide you is let's pick that thing that you can't stop thinking about and you would after we muscle tasks, to get clear communication with your subconscious, you would sit in what we call a balance, where you focus on that stress. 70 00:08:15,228.07 --> 00:08:29,148.07 In that time, you're not trying to fix it or avoid it You're really sitting with what that, what's that like for you when you're feeling so stuck in that thing? Some people sit there for a minute, some people 20, and it doesn't matter. 71 00:08:29,148.07 --> 00:08:36,48.07 You sit there until we notice what we call a shift, which can be felt physically or experienced emotionally. 72 00:08:37,293.07 --> 00:08:38,553.07 Mentally, visually. 73 00:08:38,793.07 --> 00:08:52,683.07 And then that means when that shift happens that your brain has peacefully, unattached, gone in a new direction, the new neural pathway's been created, and you can now have a new experience instead of staying stuck in that same feedback loop, same thoughts, same behavior. 74 00:08:52,683.07 --> 00:08:54,573.07 And again, it's very simple. 75 00:08:54,573.07 --> 00:08:57,693.07 It's often very subtle, but it's also very powerful. 76 00:08:57,693.07 --> 00:09:03,363.07 if you're all of a sudden not thinking about that thing that you couldn't stop thinking about before, that's amazing. 77 00:09:03,603.07 --> 00:09:17,743.07 If you're all of a sudden doing a thing that you just couldn't make yourself do before, whether it's working out after work, whether it's choosing healthy food, whether it's choosing tea instead of, whatever it is for you, all of a sudden you're just doing it and you're like. 78 00:09:18,628.07 --> 00:09:21,298.07 Oh my God, I haven't been able to do that before. 79 00:09:21,298.07 --> 00:09:37,48.07 So sometimes people don't even realize how far that they've come in one single balance until I ask them, oh, have you been able to go for that walk every morning? And they're like, yeah, actually I have that's how you would notice that you're no longer stuck. 80 00:09:38,188.07 --> 00:09:38,488.07 Okay. 81 00:09:38,818.07 --> 00:09:40,468.07 Working with the subconscious. 82 00:09:40,768.07 --> 00:09:53,78.07 And I feel like all of us any person I've ever met in some area of your life, you're contracted and expanded, or you're stuck in a past wound or you have some stress that. 83 00:09:53,258.07 --> 00:10:04,958.07 And then the other direction I love to go with people is what do you want? So we might do a couple of, let's help you tach from some stress, and now let's do a balance for what you want in this life. 84 00:10:04,958.07 --> 00:10:08,558.07 And we create that program in your subconscious so that it's possible. 85 00:10:08,558.07 --> 00:10:11,198.07 Because if you don't have that belief or behavior. 86 00:10:11,558.07 --> 00:10:16,568.07 That program running in your subconscious, you won't be able to create your life from that place. 87 00:10:16,568.07 --> 00:10:17,498.07 It's just true. 88 00:10:17,858.07 --> 00:10:19,748.07 So this just makes it so much easier. 89 00:10:19,748.07 --> 00:10:26,858.07 And then you can use other things to reinforce the new program and the new neural pathway that you just created doing. 90 00:10:29,198.07 --> 00:10:38,58.07 So you mentioned some of the ways that you help people and you mentioned psych K and internal family Systems, IFS. 91 00:10:38,418.07 --> 00:10:47,548.07 Can you get more into that and educate my audience as to what those two things are? The psych, KI don't love the name, but it was created by a psychologist. 92 00:10:47,553.07 --> 00:10:47,653.07 Okay. 93 00:10:47,658.07 --> 00:10:50,628.07 And it's psychology and kinesiology, okay. 94 00:10:51,263.07 --> 00:10:55,163.07 G is where we use the muscle testing to your subconscious. 95 00:10:55,163.07 --> 00:10:56,963.07 Get a clear, yes, clear no. 96 00:10:57,653.07 --> 00:10:58,823.07 Ask your subconscious. 97 00:10:58,823.07 --> 00:11:02,903.07 Is it safe to balance for this right now, take you through the balance. 98 00:11:02,903.07 --> 00:11:07,103.07 And there are many balances in psych K, but we really work with two primarily. 99 00:11:07,583.07 --> 00:11:19,503.07 And then, muscle test after the balance to make sure the shift has happened or the new program has been created, And when you have someone who can reflectively listen to you, you feel seen, you feel heard, you feel safe. 100 00:11:19,553.07 --> 00:11:25,623.07 But if you have somebody who has some intuition and sees you and hears you it's gonna be so much more magical. 101 00:11:26,328.07 --> 00:11:34,328.07 Because that person's gonna understand how to guide you, maybe do your blind spots or create your very best words So that's that work. 102 00:11:34,658.07 --> 00:11:43,748.07 We usually get to two, three, maybe four balances in a section, which is quite a bit because your brain is different literally after every single balance. 103 00:11:44,328.07 --> 00:11:51,738.07 internal family systems I was led to, I swear again by God and I didn't really know what it was when I. 104 00:11:52,608.07 --> 00:11:53,838.07 Started the training. 105 00:11:53,888.07 --> 00:12:00,368.07 But it came up in my field like three different times from three different people who I really respect as practitioners. 106 00:12:00,758.07 --> 00:12:18,848.07 And then when I was in the training, I was like, oh, that's because this is the type of deeper inquiry That actually need to be with the parts of themselves that need attention so that they can, those parts of us that need our attention, they will act very extreme. 107 00:12:19,488.07 --> 00:12:20,688.07 In their expression. 108 00:12:20,688.07 --> 00:12:33,668.07 And that can be, you name it, it can be overworking, anger, criticism, judgment, self-soothing with numbing, or alcohol or spending money or, yeah. 109 00:12:34,543.07 --> 00:12:39,943.07 And what we understand with IFS is that no parts of us are bad. 110 00:12:40,333.07 --> 00:12:45,13.07 They were created, put into their roles to help us survive. 111 00:12:45,433.07 --> 00:12:52,453.07 And so the premise of that work is to get you soma and what would be your self energy we call it. 112 00:12:52,453.07 --> 00:12:54,103.07 It's like the you that's already. 113 00:12:54,418.07 --> 00:12:59,278.07 Compassionate, loving, wise, playful, open, present, courageous. 114 00:12:59,608.07 --> 00:13:10,138.07 We get you in relationship with those parts of you that need your attention, and you often find out that, oh, maybe they're three to five years old and they went into that role to help you survive. 115 00:13:11,113.07 --> 00:13:21,73.07 And then when we understand that we don't hate on those parts of us so much anymore, we're not so frustrated with them, we don't ask them to go away, which is what a lot of people try to do. 116 00:13:21,613.07 --> 00:13:22,993.07 So it's very beautiful. 117 00:13:24,73.07 --> 00:13:28,303.07 You probably will meet new parts of you every time you have a session. 118 00:13:28,303.07 --> 00:13:29,23.07 I do. 119 00:13:29,483.07 --> 00:13:40,323.07 The people I work with do, if you can speak to the part of you that is, Overworking or critical or judgmental or angry, tell it that it's not alone. 120 00:13:41,463.07 --> 00:13:43,233.07 Ask it what it needs, what it wants you to. 121 00:13:43,268.07 --> 00:13:52,298.07 Sometimes you're just hanging out with a part, letting it know it's not alone And then when those parts get to trust you and know who you are, they do what we call unblend. 122 00:13:52,358.07 --> 00:14:01,898.07 So they start to give you space and they become less extreme and their expression and they can go into roles that are actually healthier for you. 123 00:14:01,923.07 --> 00:14:03,748.07 And they can rest. 124 00:14:05,53.07 --> 00:14:07,3.07 Probably exhausted and need rest. 125 00:14:07,3.07 --> 00:14:15,893.07 And then we also have exiles, which are the parts of us that were abandoned or left alone or are deeply hurting. 126 00:14:16,673.07 --> 00:14:18,623.07 They can come out and unburdened. 127 00:14:18,623.07 --> 00:14:22,113.07 So can imagine how powerful that is. 128 00:14:22,403.07 --> 00:14:28,73.07 And also it's so simple and we really slow it down in IFS, which is. 129 00:14:28,88.07 --> 00:14:30,818.07 Is not something that we do either. 130 00:14:30,818.07 --> 00:14:40,618.07 Typically we wanna keep going, we wanna ignore the shoulder pain, we want to make a part of us go away because it's creating an uncomfortable reality for us. 131 00:14:41,408.07 --> 00:14:43,703.07 Having the space to be with those parts is. 132 00:14:44,918.07 --> 00:14:46,268.07 Beautiful and very powerful. 133 00:14:47,488.07 --> 00:14:58,8.07 What are the, some of the most surprising parts that people discover within themselves when they're going through this process? The IFS process? Yes. 134 00:14:58,668.07 --> 00:15:05,888.07 I think even really skeptical people find parts of themselves that are very tender. 135 00:15:06,593.07 --> 00:15:07,403.07 And vulnerable. 136 00:15:07,403.07 --> 00:15:10,313.07 Maybe not even like a human form. 137 00:15:10,313.07 --> 00:15:12,593.07 Like it might not be someone that was five years old. 138 00:15:12,593.07 --> 00:15:16,763.07 It might be like a beam of light or it might be an animal form. 139 00:15:16,763.07 --> 00:15:18,203.07 that surprises people. 140 00:15:19,23.07 --> 00:15:24,633.07 you are opening up parts of yourself, connecting in ways you, and so your system becomes very open. 141 00:15:24,633.07 --> 00:15:30,3.07 And even for me, I mean I'm often in like another dimension, calling in spirit guides. 142 00:15:30,503.07 --> 00:15:51,573.07 People take psychedelics for this kind of stuff, and you don't need to, you can use something like even sometimes with psych, hey, people in their shifts through the balances, they'll have visions come through They get very surprised What they see within themselves and what's available to them that they don't usually feel connected to or open to. 143 00:15:51,828.07 --> 00:15:55,428.07 I interviewed a kinesiologist who works in the uk. 144 00:15:55,728.07 --> 00:15:59,708.07 Her customers are women who are going through menopause. 145 00:16:00,58.07 --> 00:16:12,928.07 And we did talk about kinesiology, but for the purpose of this podcast, can you educate us as to what kinesiology is? Yeah, kinesiology is muscle testing and we. 146 00:16:13,708.07 --> 00:16:16,648.07 Can do it virtually, which surprised me as well. 147 00:16:16,648.07 --> 00:16:23,8.07 But if we were in person And it's like K, we do it together, so I'm not doing it to you in deciding the response. 148 00:16:23,8.07 --> 00:16:29,428.07 in psych K, we do it together and the person who's going through the balance, they decide what their yes and their no is. 149 00:16:29,428.07 --> 00:16:33,58.07 So the reason that it works is because you can't lie to the muscles. 150 00:16:33,448.07 --> 00:16:35,218.07 And you can't lie to this subconscious. 151 00:16:35,218.07 --> 00:16:45,748.07 So your body would be relaxed and your chin would be parallel to the ground and your eyes would be looking down and I would have you choose an arm and I'd ask you some questions. 152 00:16:45,748.07 --> 00:16:49,738.07 And then as I do, I'd say be strong and I'd try to push on your wrist. 153 00:16:50,638.07 --> 00:16:53,518.07 And if your wrist was strong and you could hold it up, that's your Yes. 154 00:16:53,518.07 --> 00:16:56,668.07 And if it was no and you couldn't hold it up, that's your No. 155 00:16:56,768.07 --> 00:17:03,308.07 When we're doing it virtually, I'm simply asking to muscle test on your behalf and it works just as well. 156 00:17:03,798.07 --> 00:17:10,938.07 People's minds are sometimes blown because I'd be saying, say my name is Soma, and you would say that and you'd have a strong response. 157 00:17:10,938.07 --> 00:17:11,868.07 And then I would say. 158 00:17:12,603.07 --> 00:17:16,353.07 Say, my name is Josh, and I would press on your wrist and it would be weak. 159 00:17:16,443.07 --> 00:17:22,503.07 And no matter how hard you try to keep it up, you can't be strong to that response 'cause that's not your name. 160 00:17:23,103.07 --> 00:17:25,23.07 So it's again, very simple. 161 00:17:25,83.07 --> 00:17:39,573.07 And then you sit in what we call a whole brain posture for the balance, however long until that shift happens, and then we muscle test afterwards to just make sure we're complete and the balance has happened. 162 00:17:40,23.07 --> 00:17:40,413.07 Okay. 163 00:17:41,403.07 --> 00:17:50,343.07 One of the fascinating things that I've learned about you is that you integrate both psych K and energy modalities alongside neuroscience. 164 00:17:50,973.07 --> 00:17:55,833.07 How do you balance the science and the spirituality Of healing? Yeah. 165 00:17:55,833.07 --> 00:18:00,393.07 It's really interesting because some of my teachers, like Bruce Lipton or Dr. 166 00:18:00,393.07 --> 00:18:05,103.07 Tara, or they were more sciencey neuroscience people before. 167 00:18:05,153.07 --> 00:18:07,773.07 Their spirituality? Maybe not Dr. 168 00:18:07,773.07 --> 00:18:11,103.07 Tara because she was raised Indian and it was part of her upbringing. 169 00:18:11,103.07 --> 00:18:15,53.07 But for me, I definitely was a more spiritual being. 170 00:18:15,53.07 --> 00:18:17,333.07 More connected to nature than science. 171 00:18:17,693.07 --> 00:18:20,513.07 But neuroscience for me is fascinating. 172 00:18:20,613.07 --> 00:18:23,528.07 So for me, like getting the psychology degree. 173 00:18:24,558.07 --> 00:18:27,738.07 Right now just to make this work more available to people. 174 00:18:27,738.07 --> 00:18:35,598.07 I don't really connect necessarily to all the parts of the science that might be s psychology. 175 00:18:35,898.0700119 --> 00:18:45,98.07 This episode is brought to you by Midlife Masala a heartfelt, honest, and empowering guide for women navigating the messy, magical middle of life. 176 00:18:46,48.0698093 --> 00:18:52,858.0702289 If you're dealing with brain fog, mood swings, cultural pressure, or just wondering 'Is it just me?' it’s not. 177 00:18:53,418.0696948 --> 00:19:01,28.0703052 This book blends Western medicine, Eastern wisdom, and personal stories to help you feel seen, supported, and strong. 178 00:19:01,758.0698474 --> 00:19:07,168.0696948 Get your copy of Midlife Masala wherever books are sold and start rewriting your midlife story today. 179 00:19:07,455.848 --> 00:19:14,985.848 It was more of a philosophy, so very recently, and my connection to nature and to spirit is much, much stronger. 180 00:19:14,985.848 --> 00:19:18,555.848 But neuroscience is, it's fascinating and it's real. 181 00:19:18,555.848 --> 00:19:22,635.848 And the information that's coming out with that science is. 182 00:19:22,685.848 --> 00:19:23,705.848 It's extraordinary. 183 00:19:23,705.848 --> 00:19:31,865.848 And I think, of course, AI is gonna try to mimic that and do things, but we're always gonna want human connection. 184 00:19:31,895.848 --> 00:19:32,855.848 I hope, yeah. 185 00:19:33,245.848 --> 00:19:41,255.848 Eye contact and touch and space holding, and not always just needing to be validated like AI would do for you. 186 00:19:41,855.848 --> 00:19:42,185.848 Yeah. 187 00:19:44,270.848 --> 00:19:46,760.848 Yeah, that's a current deficit in ai. 188 00:19:46,760.848 --> 00:19:50,20.848 And obviously, it's not the same thing as the human connection. 189 00:19:50,20.848 --> 00:20:05,0.848 Do you see an ai coming into this in terms of what you're doing? Or is it already there as far as of course, because I am like, why am I completing this degree right now? I'm already a therapist. 190 00:20:05,720.848 --> 00:20:13,350.848 I'm literally doing it 'cause I see the need and I want this work to be more accessible to patients so they can, submit to their behavioral health benefit. 191 00:20:13,980.848 --> 00:20:22,340.848 But I already know, I have very smart women in my life who are like, oh yeah, I asked AI last night for, some advice on my relationship and. 192 00:20:23,195.848 --> 00:20:30,265.848 I'm like, wow, like I understand the appeal, but also like it's just there to validate you. 193 00:20:30,415.848 --> 00:20:31,135.848 It's, yeah. 194 00:20:31,615.848 --> 00:20:33,175.848 Not going to challenge you. 195 00:20:33,175.848 --> 00:20:36,715.848 It's not going to hold that space for you, I understand. 196 00:20:36,745.848 --> 00:20:44,635.848 Oh, maybe for a person in crisis and they need something and they're just drawing from whatever they can find. 197 00:20:44,635.848 --> 00:20:46,285.848 I get that appeal. 198 00:20:46,285.848 --> 00:20:53,935.848 But just like data watches and everybody who wants their data, I just believe as human beings we're meant to be here to connect, but. 199 00:20:54,825.848 --> 00:20:57,255.848 That might make me old, and that's okay. 200 00:20:57,665.848 --> 00:20:58,855.848 No I agree with you. 201 00:20:58,855.848 --> 00:21:12,735.848 I think there's some, there is some concerning things I think we've already heard about, people who use AI or chat g PT as their therapists and some of the bad things that can happen as a result of it. 202 00:21:12,795.848 --> 00:21:14,25.848 So I do agree with you. 203 00:21:14,75.848 --> 00:21:17,45.848 Some people hesitate around energy work. 204 00:21:17,45.848 --> 00:21:34,825.848 So how do you help your skeptics understand that the real physiological changes that happen in somatic and subconscious healing? Yeah, I think it's easy to notice when your body is clearing energy. 205 00:21:34,825.848 --> 00:21:37,910.848 So sometimes when people are sitting in that balance with psych k. 206 00:21:38,865.848 --> 00:21:40,755.848 And they're focusing on that stress. 207 00:21:40,755.848 --> 00:21:42,105.848 They might feel nauseous. 208 00:21:42,105.848 --> 00:21:46,545.848 They might feel a bunch of, usually I feel a bunch of tension in my neck and shoulders release. 209 00:21:46,545.848 --> 00:21:47,685.848 That's my shift. 210 00:21:48,135.848 --> 00:21:56,295.848 But when all of a sudden they don't feel nauseous anymore, their heart's no longer racing, or the 30 year back pain they've had goes away. 211 00:21:56,865.848 --> 00:21:59,55.848 I can describe that as energy. 212 00:21:59,55.848 --> 00:22:01,5.848 Our bodies hold our stories. 213 00:22:01,5.848 --> 00:22:06,855.848 So if you have the right inquiry to be with those parts of you again, that are uncomfortable, which could be pain. 214 00:22:07,530.848 --> 00:22:15,870.848 Just makes sense because again, you can talk through things with your conscious mind and your talk mind therapy, but it is your body that holds your story. 215 00:22:15,870.848 --> 00:22:27,460.848 So having this kind of somatic work to be aware of what's going on, but also to be able to notice how your body will shift through these processes is, pretty fascinating. 216 00:22:28,50.848 --> 00:22:32,280.848 And a lot of the IFS when we're first dropping into that model. 217 00:22:32,640.848 --> 00:22:35,790.848 What you are noticing is what's happening in your body. 218 00:22:35,970.848 --> 00:22:41,790.848 So I don't always say energy work or energy healing. 219 00:22:41,850.848 --> 00:22:41,880.848 Okay. 220 00:22:42,180.848 --> 00:22:47,670.848 But in psych K, there are aspects of some of the balances that are very much energy healing. 221 00:22:48,655.848 --> 00:22:50,935.848 And it doesn't matter because you can be skeptical. 222 00:22:50,935.848 --> 00:22:52,165.848 The proof is in the pudding. 223 00:22:52,165.848 --> 00:22:58,735.848 Did you experience change in your life after this? And the answer's always yes. 224 00:23:00,125.848 --> 00:23:00,545.848 So that's. 225 00:23:01,190.848 --> 00:23:01,940.848 That's good. 226 00:23:02,450.848 --> 00:23:04,670.848 I don't to try to prove anything. 227 00:23:05,30.848 --> 00:23:06,110.848 Yeah, of course. 228 00:23:06,360.848 --> 00:23:22,755.848 So for my listeners who are seeking change, for someone who's listening right now, who feels anxious, who feels burnt out, or they feel disconnected, Where can they start today? You can do things for your subconscious mind on your own. 229 00:23:23,55.848 --> 00:23:45,955.848 You can certainly listen to binaural beats or GIO pre frequency, so on YouTube or Spotify where I would go typing in binaural, B-I-N-A-U-R-A-L, that So much there for helping your brain get into the theta, or even the delta alphabet, the theta state, where your mind is very relaxed. 230 00:23:46,345.848 --> 00:23:50,845.848 And can more receptively change to what you want. 231 00:23:50,845.848 --> 00:23:55,645.848 So you can listen to things definitely first thing in the morning before you go to sleep. 232 00:23:56,95.848 --> 00:24:06,25.848 And you could just sit there and imagine if you don't know, like with your thinker mind, how things are gonna play out, right? Because everyone's so afraid of the unknown these days. 233 00:24:06,25.848 --> 00:24:06,685.848 Not everyone. 234 00:24:06,690.848 --> 00:24:07,500.848 Yeah, but people. 235 00:24:07,735.848 --> 00:24:07,975.848 Yeah. 236 00:24:08,365.848 --> 00:24:10,855.848 And that's how you want it to feel then. 237 00:24:11,605.848 --> 00:24:24,255.848 And while you're listening to those data binaural beats, just imagine if you wanna feel more peace, you wanna feel more connection, presence, love, support, stability, safety. 238 00:24:25,65.848 --> 00:24:26,145.848 That's what you imagine. 239 00:24:26,145.848 --> 00:24:35,115.848 And you can, if you wanna make a visual presentation for your phone or your laptop, the subconscious mind likes visuals more than it does words. 240 00:24:35,145.848 --> 00:24:40,725.848 Receive information for our nervous systems and our subconscious in all the ways, sight, down, touch, smell. 241 00:24:41,355.848 --> 00:24:46,305.848 And so using the other senses that you have to take in that kind of information. 242 00:24:46,305.848 --> 00:24:48,285.848 So say a brainwave stuff. 243 00:24:48,285.848 --> 00:24:49,215.848 Listen to it. 244 00:24:49,425.848 --> 00:24:52,575.848 How do you wanna feel? Make visuals of that. 245 00:24:52,635.848 --> 00:24:54,345.848 Put it on a anywhere. 246 00:24:54,345.848 --> 00:24:55,935.848 You can see it regularly. 247 00:24:56,625.848 --> 00:25:02,700.848 And just know too, how do I wanna feel in my life today? Just ask yourself that. 248 00:25:02,700.848 --> 00:25:05,10.848 if you feel stuck, if you feel anxious. 249 00:25:05,340.848 --> 00:25:18,0.848 Most of the time we're putting our awareness outside of ourselves on what's wrong, what problem needs to be solved, what fired out, and that's what we were taught mostly as children to gauge our safety. 250 00:25:18,60.848 --> 00:25:22,800.848 That's what empathy is like feeling the response and the experience of other people. 251 00:25:23,400.848 --> 00:25:25,110.848 Then we take it on as our own. 252 00:25:25,110.848 --> 00:25:33,570.848 And so you wanna practice bringing that awareness back to yourself and be like, what do I need? How do I wanna feel? And you can start there. 253 00:25:33,570.848 --> 00:25:41,580.848 And that's basically what I teach all day, every day in my work, is bringing people back into their own energies, the clarity and the brilliance of their own beings. 254 00:25:42,0.848 --> 00:25:50,850.848 Letting go of this stuff that's not theirs to hold and letting go or saying no to things that aren't for you without guilt as well. 255 00:25:50,850.848 --> 00:26:00,420.848 It doesn't make you a selfish person or a bad daughter, or a bad mom or a bad wife to bring your awareness to yourself and what you need. 256 00:26:00,470.848 --> 00:26:03,770.848 It creates better relationships with yourself and with everyone. 257 00:26:05,370.848 --> 00:26:24,510.848 What's a small daily practice that you can recommend to my listeners to help bring the subconscious patterns more into their awareness? I would say for me, my non-negotiables are turning my phone off an hour before bed. 258 00:26:24,810.848 --> 00:26:27,930.848 Doing things that help me feel the way I wanna feel. 259 00:26:28,740.848 --> 00:26:34,880.848 Because again, what do you want? You gotta create some time to just check in with yourself. 260 00:26:34,910.848 --> 00:26:37,820.848 A lot of times I'll ask people what they want and they don't even know. 261 00:26:38,660.848 --> 00:26:47,0.848 So that's a really nice time to let go of your day, but also to again, practice what do I want? And coming back into your energy. 262 00:26:47,240.848 --> 00:26:50,390.848 I love to go for walks with my dog and leave my phone at home. 263 00:26:50,810.848 --> 00:26:53,570.848 You can listen to self-hypnosis meditations. 264 00:26:53,570.848 --> 00:26:55,550.848 I haven't found any that I love. 265 00:26:55,700.848 --> 00:26:57,590.848 I will create someone I have some time. 266 00:26:57,590.848 --> 00:26:58,580.848 You could do that. 267 00:26:59,150.848 --> 00:27:01,910.848 You could also just listen to those binaural beats. 268 00:27:03,680.848 --> 00:27:16,700.848 Yeah, you could take a look at your life and notice where you are stuck just so that and you wanna consider what direction are you trying to go? Those are just the basics that some people don't even know. 269 00:27:16,700.848 --> 00:27:19,160.848 They're just feeling dysregulated and anxious. 270 00:27:19,160.848 --> 00:27:19,170.848 Yeah. 271 00:27:19,470.848 --> 00:27:21,30.848 And how to remedy it. 272 00:27:22,740.848 --> 00:27:44,255.848 Can you share a story of someone that transformed that still, that moves you, where this person found deep freedom through the type of work that you do? There are so many examples I could give, but what I love to work with especially is when people have been in talk therapy for so long. 273 00:27:44,255.848 --> 00:27:44,345.848 Yeah. 274 00:27:45,125.848 --> 00:27:52,175.848 Still triggered or avoidant or taking pharmaceuticals, still angry about stuff that they've been that a long time. 275 00:27:52,175.848 --> 00:28:03,125.848 And then they come in here and they have a couple of sessions and even their husbands or their therapists, they're like, who are you? You are so different and not reacting. 276 00:28:03,920.848 --> 00:28:07,940.848 And getting mad and puffed up at those things that would really trigger you before. 277 00:28:08,60.848 --> 00:28:18,410.848 All of a sudden you're just able to like, pause, respond, stay in your energy, have peace, listen, have space for listening. 278 00:28:18,440.848 --> 00:28:30,340.848 So I think, yeah, there are many examples I could give you, but the favorite people to work with are the ones who I've tried all these things, or they're over theorized and when they come do. 279 00:28:30,820.848 --> 00:28:42,610.848 Just a couple sessions of subconscious therapy and they're finally able to move on from that thing, or they're able to create life the way they want it to be and they hadn't been able to. 280 00:28:43,150.848 --> 00:29:05,120.848 Yeah, so I, a lot of my listeners are doctors and other kind of healthcare practitioners, and so one question that I wanted to ask you is how do you personally stay grounded? Self-care practices, my devotional practices, my meditation is that stuff is non-negotiable for me. 281 00:29:05,150.848 --> 00:29:12,590.848 I'm, at this point, I'm not like 30 and trying to teach people and take people through things that I haven't been through myself. 282 00:29:12,980.848 --> 00:29:16,220.848 I know how I wanna feel in my life and in my practice. 283 00:29:16,270.848 --> 00:29:19,60.848 I was in an Epsom salt soak, meditating. 284 00:29:19,300.848 --> 00:29:23,20.848 I went for that walk in the rain this morning with my dog for 45 minutes. 285 00:29:23,20.848 --> 00:29:23,950.848 I go to sleep. 286 00:29:24,550.848 --> 00:29:25,510.848 I eat clean food. 287 00:29:25,510.848 --> 00:29:29,680.848 I hydrate, I meditate every morning. 288 00:29:29,920.848 --> 00:29:33,590.848 I definitely do breath work when I have a chance. 289 00:29:33,590.848 --> 00:29:41,0.848 I spend time in nature, off grid, away from people because nature shows me and reminds me that I am more than enough. 290 00:29:41,780.848 --> 00:29:48,530.848 I'm overflowing with everything that I need, with abundance, with life, with beauty, with joy, with co-creation. 291 00:29:48,530.848 --> 00:29:58,370.848 You can tell when you're just talking with someone and they're resourced and they're in their energy, and that really helps people feel safe, whether they know it or not. 292 00:29:58,370.848 --> 00:30:01,790.848 That's why people come back to work with me even 20 years. 293 00:30:02,950.848 --> 00:30:25,415.848 What does healing mean to you now after so many years of guiding others through it? I think what reminds me and gives me a lot of solace is that even when I wish that maybe things were even better than they are now for myself, for my life, or for whatever, I remember how far I've come. 294 00:30:26,585.848 --> 00:30:28,835.848 And I remember that as a spiritual being. 295 00:30:28,835.848 --> 00:30:40,745.848 Like it's not just this present moment, space, and time like we are doing our work and making differences in that ripple effect, like for our ancestors, for all beings throughout space and time. 296 00:30:40,795.848 --> 00:30:43,195.848 And that's what I believe as a spiritual being. 297 00:30:43,195.848 --> 00:30:45,865.848 It's what resonates and makes sense for me the most. 298 00:30:46,285.848 --> 00:30:51,25.848 And that brings me a lot of peace because it's not just healing now. 299 00:30:51,85.848 --> 00:30:57,685.848 It's we do have this beautiful life, but also as a soul, like this is a blip in time. 300 00:30:57,935.848 --> 00:30:58,265.848 Yeah. 301 00:30:58,925.848 --> 00:31:22,580.848 If you could talk to our listeners with, talk to my listeners about one affirmation or belief to reprogram for today, what would it be that you are worthy and deserving of the best that this love that life has to offer? That it's not something that you have to earn or prove that you're worthy of, like you just already are. 302 00:31:23,30.848 --> 00:31:30,200.848 And if you created that belief alone, you would find a lot more joy probably in the present moment. 303 00:31:30,200.848 --> 00:31:33,950.848 And it doesn't have to be those big, gigantic life changes. 304 00:31:33,950.848 --> 00:31:38,300.848 It can just be like noticing the rows that just popped out in your garden. 305 00:31:38,800.848 --> 00:31:48,850.848 Knowing that we are worthy of that and not always looking for the next thing or looking outside of ourselves for whatever's better than what we're actually experiencing in this present moment is very helpful. 306 00:31:48,880.848 --> 00:31:55,900.848 So yes, know that you are worthy of the best that this life has to offer just by being here. 307 00:31:55,990.848 --> 00:31:56,980.848 You don't have to earn it. 308 00:31:57,220.848 --> 00:32:00,850.848 It doesn't have to take 20 years to work towards it either. 309 00:32:01,990.848 --> 00:32:21,170.848 So you mentioned earlier in the podcast that you, bought this space from your teacher? And so was this person inspirational for you or are there other people who transformed how you see healing? Yeah. 310 00:32:21,170.848 --> 00:32:22,785.848 I love that you tuned into that because. 311 00:32:24,185.848 --> 00:32:34,945.848 When I was hearing about Psych K and heard that Bruce Lipton, who wrote The Biology of Beliefs, this was his favorite way to work with the subconscious and it helped him finish writing that book. 312 00:32:34,995.848 --> 00:32:37,665.848 that's when I was like, Ooh, I wanna go have a session of that. 313 00:32:37,665.848 --> 00:32:44,655.848 And then back in the day I was like, I wonder if anyone in Portland is doing it? And there was only one person, and it was my teacher and she owns this house. 314 00:32:45,105.848 --> 00:32:46,875.848 I went and had a session with her. 315 00:32:47,205.848 --> 00:32:50,205.848 To be honest, I did not feel any different afterwards. 316 00:32:50,940.848 --> 00:32:54,930.848 And for me that was because she wasn't my space holder. 317 00:32:55,560.848 --> 00:32:57,450.848 I didn't feel seen and heard for her. 318 00:32:57,450.848 --> 00:33:01,170.848 To her credit, she had a lot going on at that time. 319 00:33:01,660.848 --> 00:33:02,710.848 Father was dying. 320 00:33:03,430.848 --> 00:33:09,70.848 But again, for me, like I need to feel safe, seen and heard, and I just wasn't, that space wasn't held for me. 321 00:33:09,220.848 --> 00:33:13,240.848 She was definitely my teacher and she is a badass human being. 322 00:33:13,300.848 --> 00:33:14,110.848 She's incredible. 323 00:33:14,110.848 --> 00:33:15,340.848 She's very inspiring. 324 00:33:15,370.848 --> 00:33:17,830.848 I loved having three out of four classes here. 325 00:33:18,235.848 --> 00:33:19,195.848 In this house. 326 00:33:19,475.848 --> 00:33:31,475.848 And I ended up buying this place because I had just during that last training with her, just found out my daughter was gonna go to a private independent school up the street and I needed to figure out how I was gonna make that work. 327 00:33:31,475.848 --> 00:33:34,775.848 'cause we were living across town and we were separating from her dad. 328 00:33:35,15.848 --> 00:33:39,275.848 And that's when my teacher was like, oh, I'm getting ready to retire and move to Mexico. 329 00:33:39,275.848 --> 00:33:39,830.848 And I was, huh. 330 00:33:40,955.848 --> 00:33:48,65.848 But we just left it up to the universe, and it was a funny story because I forgotten about it and thought she had already moved to Mexico. 331 00:33:48,455.848 --> 00:33:54,185.848 When I listed my house, I thought it was gonna sell immediately 'cause everyone said it was going to and it didn't. 332 00:33:55,415.848 --> 00:33:56,375.848 It was horrible. 333 00:33:56,495.848 --> 00:34:04,625.848 But then I listed a few months later and I got three offers for cash that were like a hundred thousand over what I was asking for it. 334 00:34:05,570.848 --> 00:34:07,790.848 And was thinking I was gonna move all these things. 335 00:34:07,790.848 --> 00:34:14,480.848 And then I went and looked at my email and realized my teacher had sent an email like three weeks prior being like, oh, I'm gonna sell my house, blah, blah. 336 00:34:14,480.848 --> 00:34:16,490.848 And I was like, oh, I thought you already left. 337 00:34:17,330.848 --> 00:34:19,850.848 I think I'm gonna actually look to buy. 338 00:34:19,850.848 --> 00:34:21,200.848 I don't know if I can afford your place. 339 00:34:21,200.848 --> 00:34:28,400.848 But it was funny 'cause she had tried to list as well, and it was a time when the market was super hot to sell and neither one. 340 00:34:28,820.848 --> 00:34:30,680.848 Sold her houses when we meant to. 341 00:34:30,710.848 --> 00:34:40,970.848 There were definitely reasons for that looking back, but it was just really beautiful how it aligned that this house was meant for me and that she taught here for 12 years. 342 00:34:40,970.848 --> 00:34:42,470.848 And I did three of the trainings here. 343 00:34:42,570.848 --> 00:34:42,960.848 Yeah. 344 00:34:43,460.848 --> 00:34:47,390.848 Other, I mean she definitely, she just wasn't my space folder. 345 00:34:47,390.848 --> 00:34:47,955.848 Definitely Bruce. 346 00:34:48,95.848 --> 00:34:50,65.848 But at the moment it's like. 347 00:34:51,160.848 --> 00:34:57,610.848 All the work that now I know how to do with myself and I get to see happening with people every day. 348 00:34:57,670.848 --> 00:34:59,950.848 So you said she wasn't your space holder. 349 00:34:59,950.848 --> 00:35:16,245.848 So when did you find that and was that the moment where it made you realize, okay, this is something that I want to continue with? That's a great question because I didn't feel different after that session, but that was maybe a year and a half or something. 350 00:35:16,295.848 --> 00:35:21,245.848 before the pandemic hit and then when pandemic hit, 'cause I knew I wanted to train in it. 351 00:35:21,245.848 --> 00:35:21,725.848 I just knew. 352 00:35:22,115.848 --> 00:35:29,255.848 I'd heard other people who had such great results with it, and I was like, I knew I wanted to train in it, and so I just trusted my gut. 353 00:35:29,315.848 --> 00:35:34,825.848 I trusted the alignment and flow and she was teaching here during pandemic, so it worked out really well. 354 00:35:35,825.848 --> 00:35:42,980.848 If you had to choose one word that describes your work, what would it be? Growth. 355 00:35:42,985.848 --> 00:35:48,495.848 And would your customers, see it that way also, Definitely transformational. 356 00:35:48,495.848 --> 00:35:59,35.848 Definitely unstuck empowered, right? When you let go of old stories and limitation and then you get to actually just create life like you want it to be. 357 00:35:59,425.848 --> 00:36:06,925.848 You get to let go of any victim story you might still be in and just choose the life you want instead. 358 00:36:07,325.848 --> 00:36:16,375.848 I just always love people to hear even that one person for this to land with that you really are limitless. 359 00:36:17,20.848 --> 00:36:32,230.848 Creator of your life, if I have been able to transform the places I came into this world needing to navigate, you absolutely can too, and you are already deserving of that. 360 00:36:34,420.848 --> 00:36:44,980.848 If my audience wanted to look for you, your website, any social media handles, where would they find you? Yeah, I'm pretty old fashioned in that way. 361 00:36:44,980.848 --> 00:36:48,430.848 It's just my name, Krishna Avallon is my website. 362 00:36:48,430.848 --> 00:36:50,170.848 There's so much information on there. 363 00:36:50,170.848 --> 00:36:53,710.848 If you have more questions, you could set up a free call as well. 364 00:36:53,760.848 --> 00:36:55,980.848 you can reach out on Instagram. 365 00:36:55,990.848 --> 00:36:58,480.848 I'm not always online, but I do love connecting. 366 00:36:58,480.848 --> 00:37:02,380.848 So please say hello and probably people find me on LinkedIn as well. 367 00:37:03,410.848 --> 00:37:04,100.848 This was awesome. 368 00:37:05,360.848 --> 00:37:06,80.848 It was a joy. 369 00:37:06,80.848 --> 00:37:06,470.848 thank you. 370 00:37:06,950.848 --> 00:37:11,510.848 You asked questions that people hadn't asked before and I get to speak a lot, so that was fun. 371 00:37:12,210.848 --> 00:37:18,60.848 this podcast is for informational purposes only and isn't intended as medical advice. 372 00:37:18,420.848 --> 00:37:24,240.848 Always consult with your doctor before making any changes to your diet, exercise, or health regimen. 373 00:37:24,590.848 --> 00:37:28,690.848 And don't forget to like, share and review my podcast. 374 00:37:29,240.848 --> 00:37:33,30.848 Remember, it's always ladies first on Soma Says. 375 00:37:33,330.848 --> 00:37:36,990.848 Let's make a difference one conversation at a time.
I am thrilled to share some exciting news with all of you.
I've recently accepted the role of medical Director of Women's Health at Hackensack Meridian Health, specifically at Jersey Shore University Medical Center.
This new chapter is about so much more than a title.
It's about advancing women's health in a way that's comprehensive, compassionate.
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Evidence-based.
My mission is to build a program that truly supports women at every stage of life from reproductive health through menopause and beyond.
Combining the best of modern medicine with the holistic approaches I've always believed in, and I will continue to see patients as well.
I'm deeply grateful to my patients, listeners, and community who continue to inspire this work every day.
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There's so much more to come.
And I can't wait to share this journey with you right here on Soma says. 11 00:01:18,374.762 --> 00:01:25,814.762 If you're a woman in midlife, ready to release old patterns and step into your next chapter with clarity and confidence. 12 00:01:26,84.762 --> 00:01:27,854.762 This episode is for you. 13 00:01:28,214.762 --> 00:01:29,54.762 Meet Krishna Avalon. 14 00:01:30,449.762 --> 00:01:39,149.762 A subconscious reprogramming expert who helps women heal from the inside out, get ready to shift, expand, and rise. 15 00:01:42,404.07 --> 00:01:51,974.07 Welcome to Soma says you have successfully guided over 30,000 patients across 22 years, which is very impressive. 16 00:01:52,784.07 --> 00:02:05,399.07 What first led you to combine acupuncture, subconscious therapy and somatic healing into one integrated approach? Acupuncture was my first love in this life. 17 00:02:05,399.07 --> 00:02:14,699.07 So I've been doing that the longest for 24 years now, and practice that with so much love and joy and gratitude. 18 00:02:14,779.07 --> 00:02:20,119.07 Thankfully successfully for 17 ish years before pandemic hit. 19 00:02:20,299.07 --> 00:02:23,29.07 And I had already been really wanting to grow. 20 00:02:23,29.07 --> 00:02:25,459.07 For me, it's really important to stay inspired. 21 00:02:25,459.07 --> 00:02:28,399.07 It's, a necessity for me in my life. 22 00:02:28,459.07 --> 00:02:37,629.07 And I was already listening to podcasts and reading books that had to do with the subconscious mind, where we create 97% of our. 23 00:02:39,184.07 --> 00:02:44,134.07 And so I became obsessed because for me it was a missing piece. 24 00:02:44,174.07 --> 00:02:53,684.07 Oh, this is why I hadn't been able to change my life in the ways that other people seem to so easily do, or this is why. 25 00:02:54,194.07 --> 00:02:56,234.07 Things felt very discordant inside. 26 00:02:56,234.07 --> 00:03:03,874.07 'cause my conscious mind was trying to do one thing, but my subconscious beliefs were very contracted about myself and what I believed and thought I was worth. 27 00:03:04,324.07 --> 00:03:08,254.07 And so starting to work with those was starting to change my own life. 28 00:03:08,404.07 --> 00:03:20,504.07 And then when pandemic hit like so many, I was like, what am I gonna do? Maybe I can train in that work that I'd been really interested about and I did, started training in a process called Psych K during pandemic. 29 00:03:20,724.07 --> 00:03:23,184.07 Which took place actually here in this house. 30 00:03:23,184.07 --> 00:03:27,414.07 I ended up buying my teacher's house and she taught here for 12 years. 31 00:03:27,894.07 --> 00:03:31,954.07 And my life started to change, but then when I started offering. 32 00:03:32,329.07 --> 00:03:36,484.07 This work to the patients I was already working with to see what it would happen for them. 33 00:03:36,484.07 --> 00:03:41,254.07 Just the feedback I was getting without even having to ask was incredible. 34 00:03:41,254.07 --> 00:03:56,974.07 And this work is so simple and easy that I was like, okay, this is what I wanna focus on and honestly, it was something much higher than me, I would say, God, that led me into acupuncture, led me to cite K, and led me to the other formal mental health framework. 35 00:03:56,974.07 --> 00:04:00,634.07 I'm training, I've trained in as well called Internal Family System. 36 00:04:00,634.07 --> 00:04:14,624.07 So what I find is that it's the healing the world is asking for, and I'm an artist in healing and a creator, and I just think that most of the people that come to me need a combination of things and I'm able to offer things that help. 37 00:04:15,149.07 --> 00:04:16,949.07 People reach their goals very quickly. 38 00:04:17,9.07 --> 00:04:23,849.07 So long answer, but there are a lot of parts that led me to being where I am now. 39 00:04:24,209.07 --> 00:04:26,609.07 And I definitely wanted to talk about Psyche. 40 00:04:26,659.07 --> 00:04:46,879.07 But before we talk about that, what do you think that most people misunderstand about the subconscious mind and how it shapes our daily lives? I think that for a lot of people, we believe that healing from things that have been very difficult and traumatic is gonna be arduous. 41 00:04:46,879.07 --> 00:04:47,779.07 Hard work. 42 00:04:47,809.07 --> 00:04:55,849.07 Like we have this programming like, oh, it's taken me 40 years of this way of being that I don't like. 43 00:04:55,909.07 --> 00:04:58,189.07 It's gonna take a long time to undo that. 44 00:04:58,189.07 --> 00:05:06,439.07 And I think what people might misunderstand is because the subconscious does work with our beliefs, our habits and behaviors, that it's gonna be this big. 45 00:05:06,859.07 --> 00:05:18,624.07 Hard long process to peacefully tach is what we say in Psyche and go and have a new experience and then to create the subconscious programs that we want it. 46 00:05:18,629.07 --> 00:05:20,419.07 It doesn't have to take a long time. 47 00:05:20,419.07 --> 00:05:35,719.07 This is very different than Conscious Mind, like regular talk therapy because that just working with the conscious mind and that takes so much longer and so much effort to make change from or move on from. 48 00:05:35,779.07 --> 00:05:37,519.07 And so that's what I'd want people to know. 49 00:05:38,579.07 --> 00:05:43,999.07 You've talked about the connection between the conscious and the subconscious mind. 50 00:05:44,539.07 --> 00:05:49,673.07 What does that alignment look like in your practice? Conscious mind's very important. 51 00:05:49,673.07 --> 00:05:52,643.07 We need to intellectually understand and have awareness. 52 00:05:53,348.07 --> 00:06:00,818.07 It really is the subconscious though that does the heavy lifting and the deep excavating, like when we are trying to heal and move on. 53 00:06:00,818.07 --> 00:06:13,428.07 And a lot of people don't know that they are trying to rule the world with their conscious mind and they don't understand why it's so much work, or they're hitting resistance or not growing the way that they want to, and it's because you're not working with your subconscious. 54 00:06:13,428.07 --> 00:06:15,678.07 It could be so much quicker and so much easier. 55 00:06:16,713.07 --> 00:06:26,73.07 I often find that the subconscious for women at least comes out late at night, right? About when they're going to sleep or trying to go to sleep. 56 00:06:26,283.07 --> 00:06:40,208.07 And a lot of times that's when my patients tell me, and there are other reasons why they can be having these kind of symptoms, but a lot of the suppressed anxiety and, feelings that they may not have. 57 00:06:40,568.07 --> 00:06:44,648.07 May have repressed during the day, often come out at nighttime. 58 00:06:44,648.07 --> 00:06:51,233.07 Do you find the same thing and do you think that the subconscious has anything to do with that? I love that question. 59 00:06:51,368.07 --> 00:07:05,378.07 What I would say is that our subconscious mind is most receptive to making changes during that sleepy time at night, getting ready to fall asleep and before you're totally awake in the morning. 60 00:07:05,678.07 --> 00:07:07,598.07 I also think that when it's quiet. 61 00:07:08,273.07 --> 00:07:13,883.07 We're trying to go to sleep at night, that's when we'll be aware of the fu, the things that we've been holding. 62 00:07:14,403.07 --> 00:07:18,393.07 Time shows us too, where we are in our subconscious stress. 63 00:07:18,393.07 --> 00:07:23,813.07 So yeah, I think to your point that would happen for a lot of people that night. 64 00:07:25,463.07 --> 00:07:32,633.07 A lot of people feel stuck in repeating their emotional and relational patterns. 65 00:07:32,993.07 --> 00:07:41,993.07 How does the subconscious work begin to unlock these cycles? Say, K is a really simple process. 66 00:07:41,993.07 --> 00:07:46,823.07 The way I would guide you is again, that's about what is stressing you out right now. 67 00:07:46,823.07 --> 00:07:59,858.07 What's taking most of your head space? Where are you getting stuck hitting resistance? And it can be your deepest, darkest trauma, or it could just be something annoying that happened at work that you can't stop thinking about. 68 00:07:59,858.07 --> 00:08:00,848.07 It doesn't matter. 69 00:08:01,208.07 --> 00:08:14,28.07 The way I'd guide you is let's pick that thing that you can't stop thinking about and you would after we muscle tasks, to get clear communication with your subconscious, you would sit in what we call a balance, where you focus on that stress. 70 00:08:15,228.07 --> 00:08:29,148.07 In that time, you're not trying to fix it or avoid it You're really sitting with what that, what's that like for you when you're feeling so stuck in that thing? Some people sit there for a minute, some people 20, and it doesn't matter. 71 00:08:29,148.07 --> 00:08:36,48.07 You sit there until we notice what we call a shift, which can be felt physically or experienced emotionally. 72 00:08:37,293.07 --> 00:08:38,553.07 Mentally, visually. 73 00:08:38,793.07 --> 00:08:52,683.07 And then that means when that shift happens that your brain has peacefully, unattached, gone in a new direction, the new neural pathway's been created, and you can now have a new experience instead of staying stuck in that same feedback loop, same thoughts, same behavior. 74 00:08:52,683.07 --> 00:08:54,573.07 And again, it's very simple. 75 00:08:54,573.07 --> 00:08:57,693.07 It's often very subtle, but it's also very powerful. 76 00:08:57,693.07 --> 00:09:03,363.07 if you're all of a sudden not thinking about that thing that you couldn't stop thinking about before, that's amazing. 77 00:09:03,603.07 --> 00:09:17,743.07 If you're all of a sudden doing a thing that you just couldn't make yourself do before, whether it's working out after work, whether it's choosing healthy food, whether it's choosing tea instead of, whatever it is for you, all of a sudden you're just doing it and you're like. 78 00:09:18,628.07 --> 00:09:21,298.07 Oh my God, I haven't been able to do that before. 79 00:09:21,298.07 --> 00:09:37,48.07 So sometimes people don't even realize how far that they've come in one single balance until I ask them, oh, have you been able to go for that walk every morning? And they're like, yeah, actually I have that's how you would notice that you're no longer stuck. 80 00:09:38,188.07 --> 00:09:38,488.07 Okay. 81 00:09:38,818.07 --> 00:09:40,468.07 Working with the subconscious. 82 00:09:40,768.07 --> 00:09:53,78.07 And I feel like all of us any person I've ever met in some area of your life, you're contracted and expanded, or you're stuck in a past wound or you have some stress that. 83 00:09:53,258.07 --> 00:10:04,958.07 And then the other direction I love to go with people is what do you want? So we might do a couple of, let's help you tach from some stress, and now let's do a balance for what you want in this life. 84 00:10:04,958.07 --> 00:10:08,558.07 And we create that program in your subconscious so that it's possible. 85 00:10:08,558.07 --> 00:10:11,198.07 Because if you don't have that belief or behavior. 86 00:10:11,558.07 --> 00:10:16,568.07 That program running in your subconscious, you won't be able to create your life from that place. 87 00:10:16,568.07 --> 00:10:17,498.07 It's just true. 88 00:10:17,858.07 --> 00:10:19,748.07 So this just makes it so much easier. 89 00:10:19,748.07 --> 00:10:26,858.07 And then you can use other things to reinforce the new program and the new neural pathway that you just created doing. 90 00:10:29,198.07 --> 00:10:38,58.07 So you mentioned some of the ways that you help people and you mentioned psych K and internal family Systems, IFS. 91 00:10:38,418.07 --> 00:10:47,548.07 Can you get more into that and educate my audience as to what those two things are? The psych, KI don't love the name, but it was created by a psychologist. 92 00:10:47,553.07 --> 00:10:47,653.07 Okay. 93 00:10:47,658.07 --> 00:10:50,628.07 And it's psychology and kinesiology, okay. 94 00:10:51,263.07 --> 00:10:55,163.07 G is where we use the muscle testing to your subconscious. 95 00:10:55,163.07 --> 00:10:56,963.07 Get a clear, yes, clear no. 96 00:10:57,653.07 --> 00:10:58,823.07 Ask your subconscious. 97 00:10:58,823.07 --> 00:11:02,903.07 Is it safe to balance for this right now, take you through the balance. 98 00:11:02,903.07 --> 00:11:07,103.07 And there are many balances in psych K, but we really work with two primarily. 99 00:11:07,583.07 --> 00:11:19,503.07 And then, muscle test after the balance to make sure the shift has happened or the new program has been created, And when you have someone who can reflectively listen to you, you feel seen, you feel heard, you feel safe. 100 00:11:19,553.07 --> 00:11:25,623.07 But if you have somebody who has some intuition and sees you and hears you it's gonna be so much more magical. 101 00:11:26,328.07 --> 00:11:34,328.07 Because that person's gonna understand how to guide you, maybe do your blind spots or create your very best words So that's that work. 102 00:11:34,658.07 --> 00:11:43,748.07 We usually get to two, three, maybe four balances in a section, which is quite a bit because your brain is different literally after every single balance. 103 00:11:44,328.07 --> 00:11:51,738.07 internal family systems I was led to, I swear again by God and I didn't really know what it was when I. 104 00:11:52,608.07 --> 00:11:53,838.07 Started the training. 105 00:11:53,888.07 --> 00:12:00,368.07 But it came up in my field like three different times from three different people who I really respect as practitioners. 106 00:12:00,758.07 --> 00:12:18,848.07 And then when I was in the training, I was like, oh, that's because this is the type of deeper inquiry That actually need to be with the parts of themselves that need attention so that they can, those parts of us that need our attention, they will act very extreme. 107 00:12:19,488.07 --> 00:12:20,688.07 In their expression. 108 00:12:20,688.07 --> 00:12:33,668.07 And that can be, you name it, it can be overworking, anger, criticism, judgment, self-soothing with numbing, or alcohol or spending money or, yeah. 109 00:12:34,543.07 --> 00:12:39,943.07 And what we understand with IFS is that no parts of us are bad. 110 00:12:40,333.07 --> 00:12:45,13.07 They were created, put into their roles to help us survive. 111 00:12:45,433.07 --> 00:12:52,453.07 And so the premise of that work is to get you soma and what would be your self energy we call it. 112 00:12:52,453.07 --> 00:12:54,103.07 It's like the you that's already. 113 00:12:54,418.07 --> 00:12:59,278.07 Compassionate, loving, wise, playful, open, present, courageous. 114 00:12:59,608.07 --> 00:13:10,138.07 We get you in relationship with those parts of you that need your attention, and you often find out that, oh, maybe they're three to five years old and they went into that role to help you survive. 115 00:13:11,113.07 --> 00:13:21,73.07 And then when we understand that we don't hate on those parts of us so much anymore, we're not so frustrated with them, we don't ask them to go away, which is what a lot of people try to do. 116 00:13:21,613.07 --> 00:13:22,993.07 So it's very beautiful. 117 00:13:24,73.07 --> 00:13:28,303.07 You probably will meet new parts of you every time you have a session. 118 00:13:28,303.07 --> 00:13:29,23.07 I do. 119 00:13:29,483.07 --> 00:13:40,323.07 The people I work with do, if you can speak to the part of you that is, Overworking or critical or judgmental or angry, tell it that it's not alone. 120 00:13:41,463.07 --> 00:13:43,233.07 Ask it what it needs, what it wants you to. 121 00:13:43,268.07 --> 00:13:52,298.07 Sometimes you're just hanging out with a part, letting it know it's not alone And then when those parts get to trust you and know who you are, they do what we call unblend. 122 00:13:52,358.07 --> 00:14:01,898.07 So they start to give you space and they become less extreme and their expression and they can go into roles that are actually healthier for you. 123 00:14:01,923.07 --> 00:14:03,748.07 And they can rest. 124 00:14:05,53.07 --> 00:14:07,3.07 Probably exhausted and need rest. 125 00:14:07,3.07 --> 00:14:15,893.07 And then we also have exiles, which are the parts of us that were abandoned or left alone or are deeply hurting. 126 00:14:16,673.07 --> 00:14:18,623.07 They can come out and unburdened. 127 00:14:18,623.07 --> 00:14:22,113.07 So can imagine how powerful that is. 128 00:14:22,403.07 --> 00:14:28,73.07 And also it's so simple and we really slow it down in IFS, which is. 129 00:14:28,88.07 --> 00:14:30,818.07 Is not something that we do either. 130 00:14:30,818.07 --> 00:14:40,618.07 Typically we wanna keep going, we wanna ignore the shoulder pain, we want to make a part of us go away because it's creating an uncomfortable reality for us. 131 00:14:41,408.07 --> 00:14:43,703.07 Having the space to be with those parts is. 132 00:14:44,918.07 --> 00:14:46,268.07 Beautiful and very powerful. 133 00:14:47,488.07 --> 00:14:58,8.07 What are the, some of the most surprising parts that people discover within themselves when they're going through this process? The IFS process? Yes. 134 00:14:58,668.07 --> 00:15:05,888.07 I think even really skeptical people find parts of themselves that are very tender. 135 00:15:06,593.07 --> 00:15:07,403.07 And vulnerable. 136 00:15:07,403.07 --> 00:15:10,313.07 Maybe not even like a human form. 137 00:15:10,313.07 --> 00:15:12,593.07 Like it might not be someone that was five years old. 138 00:15:12,593.07 --> 00:15:16,763.07 It might be like a beam of light or it might be an animal form. 139 00:15:16,763.07 --> 00:15:18,203.07 that surprises people. 140 00:15:19,23.07 --> 00:15:24,633.07 you are opening up parts of yourself, connecting in ways you, and so your system becomes very open. 141 00:15:24,633.07 --> 00:15:30,3.07 And even for me, I mean I'm often in like another dimension, calling in spirit guides. 142 00:15:30,503.07 --> 00:15:51,573.07 People take psychedelics for this kind of stuff, and you don't need to, you can use something like even sometimes with psych, hey, people in their shifts through the balances, they'll have visions come through They get very surprised What they see within themselves and what's available to them that they don't usually feel connected to or open to. 143 00:15:51,828.07 --> 00:15:55,428.07 I interviewed a kinesiologist who works in the uk. 144 00:15:55,728.07 --> 00:15:59,708.07 Her customers are women who are going through menopause. 145 00:16:00,58.07 --> 00:16:12,928.07 And we did talk about kinesiology, but for the purpose of this podcast, can you educate us as to what kinesiology is? Yeah, kinesiology is muscle testing and we. 146 00:16:13,708.07 --> 00:16:16,648.07 Can do it virtually, which surprised me as well. 147 00:16:16,648.07 --> 00:16:23,8.07 But if we were in person And it's like K, we do it together, so I'm not doing it to you in deciding the response. 148 00:16:23,8.07 --> 00:16:29,428.07 in psych K, we do it together and the person who's going through the balance, they decide what their yes and their no is. 149 00:16:29,428.07 --> 00:16:33,58.07 So the reason that it works is because you can't lie to the muscles. 150 00:16:33,448.07 --> 00:16:35,218.07 And you can't lie to this subconscious. 151 00:16:35,218.07 --> 00:16:45,748.07 So your body would be relaxed and your chin would be parallel to the ground and your eyes would be looking down and I would have you choose an arm and I'd ask you some questions. 152 00:16:45,748.07 --> 00:16:49,738.07 And then as I do, I'd say be strong and I'd try to push on your wrist. 153 00:16:50,638.07 --> 00:16:53,518.07 And if your wrist was strong and you could hold it up, that's your Yes. 154 00:16:53,518.07 --> 00:16:56,668.07 And if it was no and you couldn't hold it up, that's your No. 155 00:16:56,768.07 --> 00:17:03,308.07 When we're doing it virtually, I'm simply asking to muscle test on your behalf and it works just as well. 156 00:17:03,798.07 --> 00:17:10,938.07 People's minds are sometimes blown because I'd be saying, say my name is Soma, and you would say that and you'd have a strong response. 157 00:17:10,938.07 --> 00:17:11,868.07 And then I would say. 158 00:17:12,603.07 --> 00:17:16,353.07 Say, my name is Josh, and I would press on your wrist and it would be weak. 159 00:17:16,443.07 --> 00:17:22,503.07 And no matter how hard you try to keep it up, you can't be strong to that response 'cause that's not your name. 160 00:17:23,103.07 --> 00:17:25,23.07 So it's again, very simple. 161 00:17:25,83.07 --> 00:17:39,573.07 And then you sit in what we call a whole brain posture for the balance, however long until that shift happens, and then we muscle test afterwards to just make sure we're complete and the balance has happened. 162 00:17:40,23.07 --> 00:17:40,413.07 Okay. 163 00:17:41,403.07 --> 00:17:50,343.07 One of the fascinating things that I've learned about you is that you integrate both psych K and energy modalities alongside neuroscience. 164 00:17:50,973.07 --> 00:17:55,833.07 How do you balance the science and the spirituality Of healing? Yeah. 165 00:17:55,833.07 --> 00:18:00,393.07 It's really interesting because some of my teachers, like Bruce Lipton or Dr. 166 00:18:00,393.07 --> 00:18:05,103.07 Tara, or they were more sciencey neuroscience people before. 167 00:18:05,153.07 --> 00:18:07,773.07 Their spirituality? Maybe not Dr. 168 00:18:07,773.07 --> 00:18:11,103.07 Tara because she was raised Indian and it was part of her upbringing. 169 00:18:11,103.07 --> 00:18:15,53.07 But for me, I definitely was a more spiritual being. 170 00:18:15,53.07 --> 00:18:17,333.07 More connected to nature than science. 171 00:18:17,693.07 --> 00:18:20,513.07 But neuroscience for me is fascinating. 172 00:18:20,613.07 --> 00:18:23,528.07 So for me, like getting the psychology degree. 173 00:18:24,558.07 --> 00:18:27,738.07 Right now just to make this work more available to people. 174 00:18:27,738.07 --> 00:18:35,598.07 I don't really connect necessarily to all the parts of the science that might be s psychology. 175 00:18:35,898.0700119 --> 00:18:45,98.07 This episode is brought to you by Midlife Masala a heartfelt, honest, and empowering guide for women navigating the messy, magical middle of life. 176 00:18:46,48.0698093 --> 00:18:52,858.0702289 If you're dealing with brain fog, mood swings, cultural pressure, or just wondering 'Is it just me?' it’s not. 177 00:18:53,418.0696948 --> 00:19:01,28.0703052 This book blends Western medicine, Eastern wisdom, and personal stories to help you feel seen, supported, and strong. 178 00:19:01,758.0698474 --> 00:19:07,168.0696948 Get your copy of Midlife Masala wherever books are sold and start rewriting your midlife story today. 179 00:19:07,455.848 --> 00:19:14,985.848 It was more of a philosophy, so very recently, and my connection to nature and to spirit is much, much stronger. 180 00:19:14,985.848 --> 00:19:18,555.848 But neuroscience is, it's fascinating and it's real. 181 00:19:18,555.848 --> 00:19:22,635.848 And the information that's coming out with that science is. 182 00:19:22,685.848 --> 00:19:23,705.848 It's extraordinary. 183 00:19:23,705.848 --> 00:19:31,865.848 And I think, of course, AI is gonna try to mimic that and do things, but we're always gonna want human connection. 184 00:19:31,895.848 --> 00:19:32,855.848 I hope, yeah. 185 00:19:33,245.848 --> 00:19:41,255.848 Eye contact and touch and space holding, and not always just needing to be validated like AI would do for you. 186 00:19:41,855.848 --> 00:19:42,185.848 Yeah. 187 00:19:44,270.848 --> 00:19:46,760.848 Yeah, that's a current deficit in ai. 188 00:19:46,760.848 --> 00:19:50,20.848 And obviously, it's not the same thing as the human connection. 189 00:19:50,20.848 --> 00:20:05,0.848 Do you see an ai coming into this in terms of what you're doing? Or is it already there as far as of course, because I am like, why am I completing this degree right now? I'm already a therapist. 190 00:20:05,720.848 --> 00:20:13,350.848 I'm literally doing it 'cause I see the need and I want this work to be more accessible to patients so they can, submit to their behavioral health benefit. 191 00:20:13,980.848 --> 00:20:22,340.848 But I already know, I have very smart women in my life who are like, oh yeah, I asked AI last night for, some advice on my relationship and. 192 00:20:23,195.848 --> 00:20:30,265.848 I'm like, wow, like I understand the appeal, but also like it's just there to validate you. 193 00:20:30,415.848 --> 00:20:31,135.848 It's, yeah. 194 00:20:31,615.848 --> 00:20:33,175.848 Not going to challenge you. 195 00:20:33,175.848 --> 00:20:36,715.848 It's not going to hold that space for you, I understand. 196 00:20:36,745.848 --> 00:20:44,635.848 Oh, maybe for a person in crisis and they need something and they're just drawing from whatever they can find. 197 00:20:44,635.848 --> 00:20:46,285.848 I get that appeal. 198 00:20:46,285.848 --> 00:20:53,935.848 But just like data watches and everybody who wants their data, I just believe as human beings we're meant to be here to connect, but. 199 00:20:54,825.848 --> 00:20:57,255.848 That might make me old, and that's okay. 200 00:20:57,665.848 --> 00:20:58,855.848 No I agree with you. 201 00:20:58,855.848 --> 00:21:12,735.848 I think there's some, there is some concerning things I think we've already heard about, people who use AI or chat g PT as their therapists and some of the bad things that can happen as a result of it. 202 00:21:12,795.848 --> 00:21:14,25.848 So I do agree with you. 203 00:21:14,75.848 --> 00:21:17,45.848 Some people hesitate around energy work. 204 00:21:17,45.848 --> 00:21:34,825.848 So how do you help your skeptics understand that the real physiological changes that happen in somatic and subconscious healing? Yeah, I think it's easy to notice when your body is clearing energy. 205 00:21:34,825.848 --> 00:21:37,910.848 So sometimes when people are sitting in that balance with psych k. 206 00:21:38,865.848 --> 00:21:40,755.848 And they're focusing on that stress. 207 00:21:40,755.848 --> 00:21:42,105.848 They might feel nauseous. 208 00:21:42,105.848 --> 00:21:46,545.848 They might feel a bunch of, usually I feel a bunch of tension in my neck and shoulders release. 209 00:21:46,545.848 --> 00:21:47,685.848 That's my shift. 210 00:21:48,135.848 --> 00:21:56,295.848 But when all of a sudden they don't feel nauseous anymore, their heart's no longer racing, or the 30 year back pain they've had goes away. 211 00:21:56,865.848 --> 00:21:59,55.848 I can describe that as energy. 212 00:21:59,55.848 --> 00:22:01,5.848 Our bodies hold our stories. 213 00:22:01,5.848 --> 00:22:06,855.848 So if you have the right inquiry to be with those parts of you again, that are uncomfortable, which could be pain. 214 00:22:07,530.848 --> 00:22:15,870.848 Just makes sense because again, you can talk through things with your conscious mind and your talk mind therapy, but it is your body that holds your story. 215 00:22:15,870.848 --> 00:22:27,460.848 So having this kind of somatic work to be aware of what's going on, but also to be able to notice how your body will shift through these processes is, pretty fascinating. 216 00:22:28,50.848 --> 00:22:32,280.848 And a lot of the IFS when we're first dropping into that model. 217 00:22:32,640.848 --> 00:22:35,790.848 What you are noticing is what's happening in your body. 218 00:22:35,970.848 --> 00:22:41,790.848 So I don't always say energy work or energy healing. 219 00:22:41,850.848 --> 00:22:41,880.848 Okay. 220 00:22:42,180.848 --> 00:22:47,670.848 But in psych K, there are aspects of some of the balances that are very much energy healing. 221 00:22:48,655.848 --> 00:22:50,935.848 And it doesn't matter because you can be skeptical. 222 00:22:50,935.848 --> 00:22:52,165.848 The proof is in the pudding. 223 00:22:52,165.848 --> 00:22:58,735.848 Did you experience change in your life after this? And the answer's always yes. 224 00:23:00,125.848 --> 00:23:00,545.848 So that's. 225 00:23:01,190.848 --> 00:23:01,940.848 That's good. 226 00:23:02,450.848 --> 00:23:04,670.848 I don't to try to prove anything. 227 00:23:05,30.848 --> 00:23:06,110.848 Yeah, of course. 228 00:23:06,360.848 --> 00:23:22,755.848 So for my listeners who are seeking change, for someone who's listening right now, who feels anxious, who feels burnt out, or they feel disconnected, Where can they start today? You can do things for your subconscious mind on your own. 229 00:23:23,55.848 --> 00:23:45,955.848 You can certainly listen to binaural beats or GIO pre frequency, so on YouTube or Spotify where I would go typing in binaural, B-I-N-A-U-R-A-L, that So much there for helping your brain get into the theta, or even the delta alphabet, the theta state, where your mind is very relaxed. 230 00:23:46,345.848 --> 00:23:50,845.848 And can more receptively change to what you want. 231 00:23:50,845.848 --> 00:23:55,645.848 So you can listen to things definitely first thing in the morning before you go to sleep. 232 00:23:56,95.848 --> 00:24:06,25.848 And you could just sit there and imagine if you don't know, like with your thinker mind, how things are gonna play out, right? Because everyone's so afraid of the unknown these days. 233 00:24:06,25.848 --> 00:24:06,685.848 Not everyone. 234 00:24:06,690.848 --> 00:24:07,500.848 Yeah, but people. 235 00:24:07,735.848 --> 00:24:07,975.848 Yeah. 236 00:24:08,365.848 --> 00:24:10,855.848 And that's how you want it to feel then. 237 00:24:11,605.848 --> 00:24:24,255.848 And while you're listening to those data binaural beats, just imagine if you wanna feel more peace, you wanna feel more connection, presence, love, support, stability, safety. 238 00:24:25,65.848 --> 00:24:26,145.848 That's what you imagine. 239 00:24:26,145.848 --> 00:24:35,115.848 And you can, if you wanna make a visual presentation for your phone or your laptop, the subconscious mind likes visuals more than it does words. 240 00:24:35,145.848 --> 00:24:40,725.848 Receive information for our nervous systems and our subconscious in all the ways, sight, down, touch, smell. 241 00:24:41,355.848 --> 00:24:46,305.848 And so using the other senses that you have to take in that kind of information. 242 00:24:46,305.848 --> 00:24:48,285.848 So say a brainwave stuff. 243 00:24:48,285.848 --> 00:24:49,215.848 Listen to it. 244 00:24:49,425.848 --> 00:24:52,575.848 How do you wanna feel? Make visuals of that. 245 00:24:52,635.848 --> 00:24:54,345.848 Put it on a anywhere. 246 00:24:54,345.848 --> 00:24:55,935.848 You can see it regularly. 247 00:24:56,625.848 --> 00:25:02,700.848 And just know too, how do I wanna feel in my life today? Just ask yourself that. 248 00:25:02,700.848 --> 00:25:05,10.848 if you feel stuck, if you feel anxious. 249 00:25:05,340.848 --> 00:25:18,0.848 Most of the time we're putting our awareness outside of ourselves on what's wrong, what problem needs to be solved, what fired out, and that's what we were taught mostly as children to gauge our safety. 250 00:25:18,60.848 --> 00:25:22,800.848 That's what empathy is like feeling the response and the experience of other people. 251 00:25:23,400.848 --> 00:25:25,110.848 Then we take it on as our own. 252 00:25:25,110.848 --> 00:25:33,570.848 And so you wanna practice bringing that awareness back to yourself and be like, what do I need? How do I wanna feel? And you can start there. 253 00:25:33,570.848 --> 00:25:41,580.848 And that's basically what I teach all day, every day in my work, is bringing people back into their own energies, the clarity and the brilliance of their own beings. 254 00:25:42,0.848 --> 00:25:50,850.848 Letting go of this stuff that's not theirs to hold and letting go or saying no to things that aren't for you without guilt as well. 255 00:25:50,850.848 --> 00:26:00,420.848 It doesn't make you a selfish person or a bad daughter, or a bad mom or a bad wife to bring your awareness to yourself and what you need. 256 00:26:00,470.848 --> 00:26:03,770.848 It creates better relationships with yourself and with everyone. 257 00:26:05,370.848 --> 00:26:24,510.848 What's a small daily practice that you can recommend to my listeners to help bring the subconscious patterns more into their awareness? I would say for me, my non-negotiables are turning my phone off an hour before bed. 258 00:26:24,810.848 --> 00:26:27,930.848 Doing things that help me feel the way I wanna feel. 259 00:26:28,740.848 --> 00:26:34,880.848 Because again, what do you want? You gotta create some time to just check in with yourself. 260 00:26:34,910.848 --> 00:26:37,820.848 A lot of times I'll ask people what they want and they don't even know. 261 00:26:38,660.848 --> 00:26:47,0.848 So that's a really nice time to let go of your day, but also to again, practice what do I want? And coming back into your energy. 262 00:26:47,240.848 --> 00:26:50,390.848 I love to go for walks with my dog and leave my phone at home. 263 00:26:50,810.848 --> 00:26:53,570.848 You can listen to self-hypnosis meditations. 264 00:26:53,570.848 --> 00:26:55,550.848 I haven't found any that I love. 265 00:26:55,700.848 --> 00:26:57,590.848 I will create someone I have some time. 266 00:26:57,590.848 --> 00:26:58,580.848 You could do that. 267 00:26:59,150.848 --> 00:27:01,910.848 You could also just listen to those binaural beats. 268 00:27:03,680.848 --> 00:27:16,700.848 Yeah, you could take a look at your life and notice where you are stuck just so that and you wanna consider what direction are you trying to go? Those are just the basics that some people don't even know. 269 00:27:16,700.848 --> 00:27:19,160.848 They're just feeling dysregulated and anxious. 270 00:27:19,160.848 --> 00:27:19,170.848 Yeah. 271 00:27:19,470.848 --> 00:27:21,30.848 And how to remedy it. 272 00:27:22,740.848 --> 00:27:44,255.848 Can you share a story of someone that transformed that still, that moves you, where this person found deep freedom through the type of work that you do? There are so many examples I could give, but what I love to work with especially is when people have been in talk therapy for so long. 273 00:27:44,255.848 --> 00:27:44,345.848 Yeah. 274 00:27:45,125.848 --> 00:27:52,175.848 Still triggered or avoidant or taking pharmaceuticals, still angry about stuff that they've been that a long time. 275 00:27:52,175.848 --> 00:28:03,125.848 And then they come in here and they have a couple of sessions and even their husbands or their therapists, they're like, who are you? You are so different and not reacting. 276 00:28:03,920.848 --> 00:28:07,940.848 And getting mad and puffed up at those things that would really trigger you before. 277 00:28:08,60.848 --> 00:28:18,410.848 All of a sudden you're just able to like, pause, respond, stay in your energy, have peace, listen, have space for listening. 278 00:28:18,440.848 --> 00:28:30,340.848 So I think, yeah, there are many examples I could give you, but the favorite people to work with are the ones who I've tried all these things, or they're over theorized and when they come do. 279 00:28:30,820.848 --> 00:28:42,610.848 Just a couple sessions of subconscious therapy and they're finally able to move on from that thing, or they're able to create life the way they want it to be and they hadn't been able to. 280 00:28:43,150.848 --> 00:29:05,120.848 Yeah, so I, a lot of my listeners are doctors and other kind of healthcare practitioners, and so one question that I wanted to ask you is how do you personally stay grounded? Self-care practices, my devotional practices, my meditation is that stuff is non-negotiable for me. 281 00:29:05,150.848 --> 00:29:12,590.848 I'm, at this point, I'm not like 30 and trying to teach people and take people through things that I haven't been through myself. 282 00:29:12,980.848 --> 00:29:16,220.848 I know how I wanna feel in my life and in my practice. 283 00:29:16,270.848 --> 00:29:19,60.848 I was in an Epsom salt soak, meditating. 284 00:29:19,300.848 --> 00:29:23,20.848 I went for that walk in the rain this morning with my dog for 45 minutes. 285 00:29:23,20.848 --> 00:29:23,950.848 I go to sleep. 286 00:29:24,550.848 --> 00:29:25,510.848 I eat clean food. 287 00:29:25,510.848 --> 00:29:29,680.848 I hydrate, I meditate every morning. 288 00:29:29,920.848 --> 00:29:33,590.848 I definitely do breath work when I have a chance. 289 00:29:33,590.848 --> 00:29:41,0.848 I spend time in nature, off grid, away from people because nature shows me and reminds me that I am more than enough. 290 00:29:41,780.848 --> 00:29:48,530.848 I'm overflowing with everything that I need, with abundance, with life, with beauty, with joy, with co-creation. 291 00:29:48,530.848 --> 00:29:58,370.848 You can tell when you're just talking with someone and they're resourced and they're in their energy, and that really helps people feel safe, whether they know it or not. 292 00:29:58,370.848 --> 00:30:01,790.848 That's why people come back to work with me even 20 years. 293 00:30:02,950.848 --> 00:30:25,415.848 What does healing mean to you now after so many years of guiding others through it? I think what reminds me and gives me a lot of solace is that even when I wish that maybe things were even better than they are now for myself, for my life, or for whatever, I remember how far I've come. 294 00:30:26,585.848 --> 00:30:28,835.848 And I remember that as a spiritual being. 295 00:30:28,835.848 --> 00:30:40,745.848 Like it's not just this present moment, space, and time like we are doing our work and making differences in that ripple effect, like for our ancestors, for all beings throughout space and time. 296 00:30:40,795.848 --> 00:30:43,195.848 And that's what I believe as a spiritual being. 297 00:30:43,195.848 --> 00:30:45,865.848 It's what resonates and makes sense for me the most. 298 00:30:46,285.848 --> 00:30:51,25.848 And that brings me a lot of peace because it's not just healing now. 299 00:30:51,85.848 --> 00:30:57,685.848 It's we do have this beautiful life, but also as a soul, like this is a blip in time. 300 00:30:57,935.848 --> 00:30:58,265.848 Yeah. 301 00:30:58,925.848 --> 00:31:22,580.848 If you could talk to our listeners with, talk to my listeners about one affirmation or belief to reprogram for today, what would it be that you are worthy and deserving of the best that this love that life has to offer? That it's not something that you have to earn or prove that you're worthy of, like you just already are. 302 00:31:23,30.848 --> 00:31:30,200.848 And if you created that belief alone, you would find a lot more joy probably in the present moment. 303 00:31:30,200.848 --> 00:31:33,950.848 And it doesn't have to be those big, gigantic life changes. 304 00:31:33,950.848 --> 00:31:38,300.848 It can just be like noticing the rows that just popped out in your garden. 305 00:31:38,800.848 --> 00:31:48,850.848 Knowing that we are worthy of that and not always looking for the next thing or looking outside of ourselves for whatever's better than what we're actually experiencing in this present moment is very helpful. 306 00:31:48,880.848 --> 00:31:55,900.848 So yes, know that you are worthy of the best that this life has to offer just by being here. 307 00:31:55,990.848 --> 00:31:56,980.848 You don't have to earn it. 308 00:31:57,220.848 --> 00:32:00,850.848 It doesn't have to take 20 years to work towards it either. 309 00:32:01,990.848 --> 00:32:21,170.848 So you mentioned earlier in the podcast that you, bought this space from your teacher? And so was this person inspirational for you or are there other people who transformed how you see healing? Yeah. 310 00:32:21,170.848 --> 00:32:22,785.848 I love that you tuned into that because. 311 00:32:24,185.848 --> 00:32:34,945.848 When I was hearing about Psych K and heard that Bruce Lipton, who wrote The Biology of Beliefs, this was his favorite way to work with the subconscious and it helped him finish writing that book. 312 00:32:34,995.848 --> 00:32:37,665.848 that's when I was like, Ooh, I wanna go have a session of that. 313 00:32:37,665.848 --> 00:32:44,655.848 And then back in the day I was like, I wonder if anyone in Portland is doing it? And there was only one person, and it was my teacher and she owns this house. 314 00:32:45,105.848 --> 00:32:46,875.848 I went and had a session with her. 315 00:32:47,205.848 --> 00:32:50,205.848 To be honest, I did not feel any different afterwards. 316 00:32:50,940.848 --> 00:32:54,930.848 And for me that was because she wasn't my space holder. 317 00:32:55,560.848 --> 00:32:57,450.848 I didn't feel seen and heard for her. 318 00:32:57,450.848 --> 00:33:01,170.848 To her credit, she had a lot going on at that time. 319 00:33:01,660.848 --> 00:33:02,710.848 Father was dying. 320 00:33:03,430.848 --> 00:33:09,70.848 But again, for me, like I need to feel safe, seen and heard, and I just wasn't, that space wasn't held for me. 321 00:33:09,220.848 --> 00:33:13,240.848 She was definitely my teacher and she is a badass human being. 322 00:33:13,300.848 --> 00:33:14,110.848 She's incredible. 323 00:33:14,110.848 --> 00:33:15,340.848 She's very inspiring. 324 00:33:15,370.848 --> 00:33:17,830.848 I loved having three out of four classes here. 325 00:33:18,235.848 --> 00:33:19,195.848 In this house. 326 00:33:19,475.848 --> 00:33:31,475.848 And I ended up buying this place because I had just during that last training with her, just found out my daughter was gonna go to a private independent school up the street and I needed to figure out how I was gonna make that work. 327 00:33:31,475.848 --> 00:33:34,775.848 'cause we were living across town and we were separating from her dad. 328 00:33:35,15.848 --> 00:33:39,275.848 And that's when my teacher was like, oh, I'm getting ready to retire and move to Mexico. 329 00:33:39,275.848 --> 00:33:39,830.848 And I was, huh. 330 00:33:40,955.848 --> 00:33:48,65.848 But we just left it up to the universe, and it was a funny story because I forgotten about it and thought she had already moved to Mexico. 331 00:33:48,455.848 --> 00:33:54,185.848 When I listed my house, I thought it was gonna sell immediately 'cause everyone said it was going to and it didn't. 332 00:33:55,415.848 --> 00:33:56,375.848 It was horrible. 333 00:33:56,495.848 --> 00:34:04,625.848 But then I listed a few months later and I got three offers for cash that were like a hundred thousand over what I was asking for it. 334 00:34:05,570.848 --> 00:34:07,790.848 And was thinking I was gonna move all these things. 335 00:34:07,790.848 --> 00:34:14,480.848 And then I went and looked at my email and realized my teacher had sent an email like three weeks prior being like, oh, I'm gonna sell my house, blah, blah. 336 00:34:14,480.848 --> 00:34:16,490.848 And I was like, oh, I thought you already left. 337 00:34:17,330.848 --> 00:34:19,850.848 I think I'm gonna actually look to buy. 338 00:34:19,850.848 --> 00:34:21,200.848 I don't know if I can afford your place. 339 00:34:21,200.848 --> 00:34:28,400.848 But it was funny 'cause she had tried to list as well, and it was a time when the market was super hot to sell and neither one. 340 00:34:28,820.848 --> 00:34:30,680.848 Sold her houses when we meant to. 341 00:34:30,710.848 --> 00:34:40,970.848 There were definitely reasons for that looking back, but it was just really beautiful how it aligned that this house was meant for me and that she taught here for 12 years. 342 00:34:40,970.848 --> 00:34:42,470.848 And I did three of the trainings here. 343 00:34:42,570.848 --> 00:34:42,960.848 Yeah. 344 00:34:43,460.848 --> 00:34:47,390.848 Other, I mean she definitely, she just wasn't my space folder. 345 00:34:47,390.848 --> 00:34:47,955.848 Definitely Bruce. 346 00:34:48,95.848 --> 00:34:50,65.848 But at the moment it's like. 347 00:34:51,160.848 --> 00:34:57,610.848 All the work that now I know how to do with myself and I get to see happening with people every day. 348 00:34:57,670.848 --> 00:34:59,950.848 So you said she wasn't your space holder. 349 00:34:59,950.848 --> 00:35:16,245.848 So when did you find that and was that the moment where it made you realize, okay, this is something that I want to continue with? That's a great question because I didn't feel different after that session, but that was maybe a year and a half or something. 350 00:35:16,295.848 --> 00:35:21,245.848 before the pandemic hit and then when pandemic hit, 'cause I knew I wanted to train in it. 351 00:35:21,245.848 --> 00:35:21,725.848 I just knew. 352 00:35:22,115.848 --> 00:35:29,255.848 I'd heard other people who had such great results with it, and I was like, I knew I wanted to train in it, and so I just trusted my gut. 353 00:35:29,315.848 --> 00:35:34,825.848 I trusted the alignment and flow and she was teaching here during pandemic, so it worked out really well. 354 00:35:35,825.848 --> 00:35:42,980.848 If you had to choose one word that describes your work, what would it be? Growth. 355 00:35:42,985.848 --> 00:35:48,495.848 And would your customers, see it that way also, Definitely transformational. 356 00:35:48,495.848 --> 00:35:59,35.848 Definitely unstuck empowered, right? When you let go of old stories and limitation and then you get to actually just create life like you want it to be. 357 00:35:59,425.848 --> 00:36:06,925.848 You get to let go of any victim story you might still be in and just choose the life you want instead. 358 00:36:07,325.848 --> 00:36:16,375.848 I just always love people to hear even that one person for this to land with that you really are limitless. 359 00:36:17,20.848 --> 00:36:32,230.848 Creator of your life, if I have been able to transform the places I came into this world needing to navigate, you absolutely can too, and you are already deserving of that. 360 00:36:34,420.848 --> 00:36:44,980.848 If my audience wanted to look for you, your website, any social media handles, where would they find you? Yeah, I'm pretty old fashioned in that way. 361 00:36:44,980.848 --> 00:36:48,430.848 It's just my name, Krishna Avallon is my website. 362 00:36:48,430.848 --> 00:36:50,170.848 There's so much information on there. 363 00:36:50,170.848 --> 00:36:53,710.848 If you have more questions, you could set up a free call as well. 364 00:36:53,760.848 --> 00:36:55,980.848 you can reach out on Instagram. 365 00:36:55,990.848 --> 00:36:58,480.848 I'm not always online, but I do love connecting. 366 00:36:58,480.848 --> 00:37:02,380.848 So please say hello and probably people find me on LinkedIn as well. 367 00:37:03,410.848 --> 00:37:04,100.848 This was awesome. 368 00:37:05,360.848 --> 00:37:06,80.848 It was a joy. 369 00:37:06,80.848 --> 00:37:06,470.848 thank you. 370 00:37:06,950.848 --> 00:37:11,510.848 You asked questions that people hadn't asked before and I get to speak a lot, so that was fun. 371 00:37:12,210.848 --> 00:37:18,60.848 this podcast is for informational purposes only and isn't intended as medical advice. 372 00:37:18,420.848 --> 00:37:24,240.848 Always consult with your doctor before making any changes to your diet, exercise, or health regimen. 373 00:37:24,590.848 --> 00:37:28,690.848 And don't forget to like, share and review my podcast. 374 00:37:29,240.848 --> 00:37:33,30.848 Remember, it's always ladies first on Soma Says. 375 00:37:33,330.848 --> 00:37:36,990.848 Let's make a difference one conversation at a time.
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