Grip or Slip: The Secret to Longevity

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Let's go to the show. 6 00:01:06,380.023 --> 00:01:15,775.023 Close, close your hand and open your hand if you can remember that you're training 18 of the muscles and then we do a rotation of the wrist for the wrist and forearm muscles. 7 00:01:17,10.193 --> 00:01:21,660.193 You, you ideally want to move that body part through. 8 00:01:21,660.193 --> 00:01:29,110.193 Its full, that muscle through its full natural range of motion with resistance and that's how you best, best train along lean and balanced muscles. 9 00:01:30,345.363 --> 00:01:33,375.363 Today on Soma Says, I’m thrilled to welcome Dr. 10 00:01:33,375.363 --> 00:01:41,895.363 Terry Zachary—a chiropractor, former professional golfer, and the innovative mind behind Grip Strength Dynamometry and Handmaster Plus. 11 00:01:42,525.363 --> 00:01:42,785.363 Dr. 12 00:01:42,785.363 --> 00:01:53,815.363 Zachary’s journey from elite sports to injury rehab led him to uncover a gap in how we train and treat hand and grip function—especially in athletes, musicians, and tech-heavy professionals. 13 00:01:54,95.363 --> 00:02:04,915.363 With a passion for balanced muscle training and injury prevention, he’s helped thousands regain performance, reduce repetitive strain, and rethink how the hands connect to whole-body health. 14 00:02:05,555.363 --> 00:02:10,295.363 We can’t wait to dig into his insights on functional movement, performance, and wellness. 15 00:02:10,935.363 --> 00:02:11,515.363 Welcome, Dr. 16 00:02:11,515.363 --> 00:02:19,655.55 Zachary! Welcome to my podcast. 17 00:02:19,835.55 --> 00:02:25,705.55 Soma says I'm very eager to speak with you about your products. 18 00:02:25,735.55 --> 00:02:43,405.55 And, but before even we dive into that, I understand you were a professional golfer and before you became a chiropractor, and what led into that transition? Can you tell us about that part of your life? Yeah, actually, and the order. 19 00:02:43,585.55 --> 00:02:44,845.55 It's a little bit outta order okay. 20 00:02:44,875.55 --> 00:02:48,925.55 So what my, my background is, I basically, as a kid, I've been a sports junkie. 21 00:02:48,925.55 --> 00:02:51,705.55 I really, I've always identified with sports. 22 00:02:51,705.55 --> 00:02:53,55.55 I've always been drawn to them. 23 00:02:53,55.55 --> 00:02:58,485.55 And, between probably hockey as a Canadian and golf and then basketball a little bit later on in life. 24 00:02:58,485.55 --> 00:03:00,345.55 Golf, more or less won out. 25 00:03:00,445.55 --> 00:03:02,905.55 Just endless challenge en endless learning. 26 00:03:02,905.55 --> 00:03:03,895.55 I really enjoyed it. 27 00:03:04,395.55 --> 00:03:07,605.55 So I played golf all the time competitively as an amateur. 28 00:03:07,605.55 --> 00:03:21,185.55 And then I actually went into to be a sports chiropractor almost because my curiosity and understanding how the body works and especially when it relates to sports and what kind of injuries that happen on a regular basis. 29 00:03:21,785.55 --> 00:03:31,745.55 And there came a point in my life where I actually, I was already in practice and I decided, I'm of the age where if I have this itch to play golf, I played pretty successfully in college. 30 00:03:32,295.55 --> 00:03:34,885.55 Won a lot of little tournament a lot of tournaments in college. 31 00:03:34,885.55 --> 00:03:40,45.55 I had a good college career and it was always in the back of my mind taking a run at trying to play on the PGA tour. 32 00:03:40,45.55 --> 00:03:41,95.55 I thought I could do it. 33 00:03:41,125.55 --> 00:03:42,325.55 It's a, it's a high demand. 34 00:03:42,395.55 --> 00:03:43,825.55 It's difficult to make it. 35 00:03:43,825.55 --> 00:03:48,265.55 But when I got, so when I got on tour, I was traveling on mini tours, mostly Dr. 36 00:03:48,265.55 --> 00:03:58,905.55 Soman, and it was, I was with a lot of players and as the players got to know my background a little bit, if they had, little bumps and bruises and aches, they would often come to me and they had trust in me. 37 00:03:58,955.55 --> 00:04:10,345.55 And a lot of, I, there, there's separate issues that the people that the golfers came to me with, but cumulatively I knew that they all had to, many of them had to do with repetitive grip injuries. 38 00:04:10,345.55 --> 00:04:15,395.55 So it was like fingers, thumbs hands, carpal tunnel, wrist a lot, and elbows a lot. 39 00:04:15,945.55 --> 00:04:19,575.55 And I would always ask them about their, what they do as far as balancing the grip out. 40 00:04:19,605.55 --> 00:04:22,995.55 In practice, I would have three or four items. 41 00:04:23,490.55 --> 00:04:28,470.55 Laid out on one of my areas that I would treat grip injuries with, and I'd have them do a whole bunch of exercises. 42 00:04:29,40.55 --> 00:04:34,500.55 But when I got on tour, it was difficult to explain that I don't have a controlled office environment. 43 00:04:35,10.55 --> 00:04:36,900.55 So I didn't really give them solutions. 44 00:04:36,900.55 --> 00:04:47,130.55 I just told them of all these muscles they have to strengthen and balance not just the closing muscles, but also the open and spreading muscles and some of the muscles of the stabilizer, muscles of the forearm. 45 00:04:47,640.55 --> 00:04:49,860.55 But I think I confused them more than anything. 46 00:04:50,160.55 --> 00:04:50,370.55 Okay. 47 00:04:50,370.55 --> 00:05:00,680.55 So yeah that's so the passion for sports was first, but then the office came second and then took time in to, to take a run at doing this. 48 00:05:00,950.55 --> 00:05:05,390.55 In doing so, I realized I don't really have an easy solution for anybody. 49 00:05:05,390.55 --> 00:05:07,730.55 My only solution is good, but it's complicated. 50 00:05:07,730.55 --> 00:05:07,760.55 Okay. 51 00:05:08,270.55 --> 00:05:11,680.55 And so it was practice first golf second, I. 52 00:05:12,130.55 --> 00:05:17,590.55 Then when it became clear I wasn't gonna do, I wasn't gonna make the PGA tour, then it was back in practice. 53 00:05:17,590.55 --> 00:05:17,620.55 Okay. 54 00:05:17,620.55 --> 00:05:20,320.55 And that's when we started developing that hand master plus. 55 00:05:20,650.55 --> 00:05:21,100.55 Okay. 56 00:05:21,280.55 --> 00:05:21,760.55 Alright. 57 00:05:22,280.55 --> 00:05:32,180.55 I have a special interest in your product because many years ago I suffered a traumatic injury to my elbow. 58 00:05:32,180.55 --> 00:05:37,940.55 I had a distal radial fracture, and I basically shattered my entire right elbow. 59 00:05:37,940.55 --> 00:05:39,230.55 It was a nasty accident. 60 00:05:39,650.55 --> 00:05:50,510.55 And as a consequence of that, I have chronic elbow pain and I have various, ulnar radial neuropathy and a weakness. 61 00:05:50,550.55 --> 00:05:57,180.55 I'm functional, I work and everything, but there's a chronic weakness of my hand. 62 00:05:57,210.55 --> 00:05:59,180.55 And it's been gosh, it's been. 63 00:05:59,855.55 --> 00:06:03,995.55 It'll be almost 20 years, that this injury happened. 64 00:06:04,355.55 --> 00:06:07,745.55 So when I read about you, I was like, huh. 65 00:06:07,955.55 --> 00:06:16,475.55 I would love to obviously learn about Hand Master Plus not just for myself, but also for my patients. 66 00:06:16,475.55 --> 00:06:26,705.55 As you and I both know, when we go into the Helping Profession, it's always, we have a passion for helping others, but often it's to help ourselves. 67 00:06:26,975.55 --> 00:06:42,835.55 So how would your product Hand Master Plus first describe when I looked it up on the internet it's a red ball with, some attachments that maybe you can describe to my listeners what it is and how it works. 68 00:06:43,340.55 --> 00:06:43,630.55 Yeah. 69 00:06:43,730.55 --> 00:06:43,910.55 Yeah. 70 00:06:43,910.55 --> 00:06:45,415.55 Let me tell you basically about. 71 00:06:46,760.55 --> 00:06:59,30.55 The best way to describe it is that the hand master plus the way we designed it is to, is so that your, the way that your hand and your grip naturally functions, we want that to determine the exercise. 72 00:06:59,30.55 --> 00:07:01,490.55 So we want it to be a full natural range of motion. 73 00:07:01,850.55 --> 00:07:18,20.55 And that was my critique of all the things that I was using previously in my life until I really studied the area, is we'd always take these coiled grip strengtheners or these spring loaded things, and they were always in two dimensions and they were telling the hands how the hands ha the fingers in the hands, how they have to move. 74 00:07:18,380.55 --> 00:07:25,580.55 But it wasn't in three dimensions and it was definitely only in the closing or what most people would call the gripping range of motion. 75 00:07:26,90.55 --> 00:07:33,490.55 So how the hand, I'll explain just general because it's easier to explain, to understand the product to your listeners. 76 00:07:34,60.55 --> 00:07:40,270.55 How the pro, how the hand generally moves is we look at it and when we close our hand on something, we see the fingers close. 77 00:07:40,660.55 --> 00:07:41,410.55 So we look. 78 00:07:42,50.55 --> 00:07:45,290.55 Myopically at that and say that's how we must strengthen the hands. 79 00:07:45,290.55 --> 00:07:46,910.55 Just take something and mimic that. 80 00:07:47,390.55 --> 00:07:49,310.55 And I would equate that to posture. 81 00:07:49,310.55 --> 00:08:01,420.55 If somebody was slouched over some kind of assembly line for hours at a time working and they, slouch forward, would they want to strengthen more slouching forward? No, they wouldn't. 82 00:08:01,420.55 --> 00:08:03,490.55 That's gonna create more and more imbalance. 83 00:08:03,730.55 --> 00:08:05,230.55 It's what traditional grip does. 84 00:08:05,620.55 --> 00:08:13,270.55 So there's basically nine muscles on the front of your fingers and thumb and hand and wrist and carpal tunnel and forearm and elbow as we'll. 85 00:08:13,270.55 --> 00:08:14,500.55 Get into your elbow, Dr. 86 00:08:14,500.55 --> 00:08:14,920.55 Salman. 87 00:08:15,190.55 --> 00:08:18,310.55 So eventually, so those are all on the front. 88 00:08:18,310.55 --> 00:08:23,110.55 So when I look at that, the traditional thing was just to strengthen what I can see working. 89 00:08:23,710.55 --> 00:08:30,940.55 The problem with that is when I switch my hand around, there's also nine muscles that are on the back of the finger, thumb, hand, wrist. 90 00:08:31,330.55 --> 00:08:35,620.55 Attaching to the carpal tunnel, forearm and elbow, and those muscles. 91 00:08:35,620.55 --> 00:08:45,660.55 Every time I grab something that we can see what's happening in the background is that the these extensor and stabilizer muscles are contracting to support that flexion. 92 00:08:46,80.55 --> 00:08:46,170.55 Okay. 93 00:08:46,170.55 --> 00:08:59,70.55 So it's really, it's 18 muscles in a co contraction, not nine muscles just flexing, because if it was just nine muscles flexing, they could just fall down any time they're being stabilized by extensor muscles. 94 00:08:59,70.55 --> 00:08:59,100.55 Okay. 95 00:08:59,695.55 --> 00:09:05,335.55 And then depending on what type of work we're doing or we're playing music or sports or whatever we're doing. 96 00:09:06,40.55 --> 00:09:08,230.55 There's also nine muscles in the forearm. 97 00:09:08,230.55 --> 00:09:14,800.55 I don't wanna make it too complicated 'cause I'm just gonna say 20, 27 grip muscles nine are on the front, they close, nine are on the back. 98 00:09:14,800.55 --> 00:09:21,250.55 They basically support and then there's nine wrist and forearm muscles that put your wrist in. 99 00:09:21,250.55 --> 00:09:27,320.55 Whatever position of grip the activity's done in hockey player might be different than a guitar player. 100 00:09:27,320.55 --> 00:09:38,570.55 Might be di different than a dental hygienist, but we always in the long term want to keep those, all 20 or seven muscles long and strong and balanced. 101 00:09:38,750.55 --> 00:09:41,840.55 So that's why we want to take all those muscles through a full range motion. 102 00:09:42,470.55 --> 00:09:48,50.55 And that's getting back to when I'm dealing with these poor golfers that would come to me with an elbow problem or wrist problem. 103 00:09:48,650.55 --> 00:09:55,310.55 I would be telling them this and give and explaining to them or writing on a sheet of paper how to exercise all these muscles. 104 00:09:55,640.55 --> 00:10:05,930.55 They would never remember it how Hand Master Plus came up is, I specifically had one it was a English fellow that I was traveling with who was a good player, really good golfer. 105 00:10:06,290.55 --> 00:10:07,370.55 He had family at home. 106 00:10:07,370.55 --> 00:10:12,890.55 At that time I didn't have any family and he had a really Debi debilitating tennis elbow. 107 00:10:12,890.55 --> 00:10:17,390.55 Almost something if you've had a radio fracture, like almost something you'd be able to identify with. 108 00:10:18,50.55 --> 00:10:19,880.55 He couldn't even lift a cup of coffee. 109 00:10:19,880.55 --> 00:10:25,770.55 And here he is risking playing professional golf with a wife and two children at home. 110 00:10:26,460.55 --> 00:10:28,590.55 And that was the one where I said, I know how to help. 111 00:10:28,620.55 --> 00:10:33,330.55 I know the mechanics of helping this individual and I can't confuse 'em. 112 00:10:33,330.55 --> 00:10:34,380.55 I have to figure something out. 113 00:10:34,380.55 --> 00:10:45,410.55 So basically, a three in o'clock in the morning aha moment, I thought if I took a central ball and carved it out and put elastic material through the middle, I. 114 00:10:45,950.55 --> 00:10:49,460.55 I should be able to train that hand through full range of motion. 115 00:10:49,460.55 --> 00:10:54,360.55 And I, got up then and started writing down diagrams and it turned out to what it is today. 116 00:10:55,350.55 --> 00:10:59,610.55 But when I used that on the fellow, then I could have him going through a full range of motion. 117 00:11:00,240.55 --> 00:11:01,710.55 He was going through full range of motion. 118 00:11:01,710.55 --> 00:11:07,570.55 I showed him different ways of engaging the forearm muscles, and all of a sudden he was using all those muscles. 119 00:11:07,570.55 --> 00:11:11,530.55 We did some soft tissue work with him as well in that particular case. 120 00:11:12,130.55 --> 00:11:16,780.55 But he came around fantastically and it wasn't if it was two weeks, it might've been 10 days. 121 00:11:17,440.55 --> 00:11:19,330.55 He's gripping a club and he's back playing. 122 00:11:19,330.55 --> 00:11:21,480.55 And his life has basically changed. 123 00:11:21,480.55 --> 00:11:24,30.55 Our grip is so important depending on what we do for our living. 124 00:11:24,990.55 --> 00:11:37,630.55 So that's what happened is I looked at the mechanics of how the hand work and rather than, piecemealing it into different exercises with different items, which are really confusing and hard for. 125 00:11:38,110.55 --> 00:11:38,920.55 Anybody to do. 126 00:11:38,990.55 --> 00:11:40,520.55 Even myself, I knew all the exercise. 127 00:11:40,520.55 --> 00:11:59,130.55 I didn't do them regularly, but when we carved out this ball and kind of made this rough prototype it worked so easily and it was, in fact, I could accomplish things with the hand motion through full natural ranges of motion that I couldn't do with the old elastic bands and webs and different grip rings and stuff. 128 00:11:59,670.55 --> 00:12:03,450.55 So it turned out to be faster, way more easier to understand. 129 00:12:03,450.55 --> 00:12:05,760.55 I didn't really have to explain anything to anybody. 130 00:12:06,210.55 --> 00:12:15,605.55 Close, close your hand and open your hand if you can remember that you're training 18 of the muscles and then we do a rotation of the wrist for the wrist and forearm muscles. 131 00:12:15,605.55 --> 00:12:34,260.55 So what is it about the design that allows you, were talking about 3D what is it about that design that allows the, all the muscles to to be exercised in that way? Yeah, that's an excellent question because the design, I know with the viewers that are with your audience that's listening. 132 00:12:34,260.55 --> 00:12:35,190.55 They won't be able to see this. 133 00:12:35,190.55 --> 00:12:38,940.55 But if you can see this product, I've gotta put it in a certain way here. 134 00:12:38,940.55 --> 00:12:41,100.55 So you'll see it's just a ball. 135 00:12:41,100.55 --> 00:12:48,780.55 Now this is, again, to begin with, it was, I think it was elastic material from waistbands that I had going through this awful carved out ball. 136 00:12:49,110.55 --> 00:12:54,270.55 But this is all it is there's an elastic component with fingers and thumbs that goes through a central ball. 137 00:12:54,720.55 --> 00:12:58,530.55 So how, what happens is, because it's a ball shape. 138 00:12:58,530.55 --> 00:13:02,485.55 So my hand closes basically in a very close to a circle. 139 00:13:02,485.55 --> 00:13:06,85.55 You'll see that this is not completely a circular. 140 00:13:06,85.55 --> 00:13:11,95.55 It's almost like a little barrel, okay? And so it closes according to how the hand closes. 141 00:13:11,485.55 --> 00:13:15,655.55 But when it, when I resist the resistance, like when I open and spread the hand. 142 00:13:16,300.55 --> 00:13:18,10.55 I'll get into that a little bit more too. 143 00:13:18,40.55 --> 00:13:18,340.55 Dr. 144 00:13:18,340.55 --> 00:13:21,280.55 Soman, we get speaking about how important the spreading muscles are. 145 00:13:21,850.55 --> 00:13:30,70.55 So as I open and spread the hand, if that resistance to my finger flex, to my finger opening and spreading, okay. 146 00:13:30,70.55 --> 00:13:45,270.55 If I had an elastic band, for example, around the tips of my fingers and thumb, and I had 'em close and I started opening and opening, the elastic band would just slip down onto my wrist so I could, it, it would just be a small range of motion of opening and spreading that I could do with any of my patients. 147 00:13:45,300.55 --> 00:13:46,950.55 And even that helped a lot. 148 00:13:47,490.55 --> 00:13:59,610.55 But as I got with Hand Master Plus, because the cord could go through its full, the full could resist, excuse me, could resist the full range of motion of opening and spreading the hand. 149 00:14:00,90.55 --> 00:14:02,790.55 There wasn't any range of motion that wasn't being resisted. 150 00:14:02,790.55 --> 00:14:11,280.55 So my body was being, those muscles were being trained as long and as balanced as possible, and that was a really exciting. 151 00:14:11,835.55 --> 00:14:19,65.55 Not just for myself just to see, it was like, now I can get this function that I've always wanted in the office by opening and spreading. 152 00:14:19,65.55 --> 00:14:20,955.55 Does that make sense? Yes, it makes sense. 153 00:14:20,960.55 --> 00:14:28,80.55 It's comparing an old, like elastic band or even the old the old webs that you like these rings with a web in them. 154 00:14:28,530.55 --> 00:14:35,250.55 It could never get the hand opened because the product was still, like with an elastic band. 155 00:14:35,250.55 --> 00:14:39,900.55 It was allowing me to go through full range, through a range, a natural range motion, but not full. 156 00:14:39,990.55 --> 00:14:43,830.55 The elastic band would slip off with the web, with the webs. 157 00:14:44,430.55 --> 00:14:48,420.55 The design of the web was still limiting how my hand could move. 158 00:14:48,420.55 --> 00:14:50,250.55 It was still telling me how my hand moves. 159 00:14:50,490.55 --> 00:14:53,160.55 This one, my hand can move any direction I want. 160 00:14:53,160.55 --> 00:15:03,290.55 And there's many exercises that many of our therapists do just because the ball and the elastic court are gonna follow you around with no, no matter how you move the hand. 161 00:15:03,290.55 --> 00:15:03,350.55 Okay. 162 00:15:03,800.55 --> 00:15:06,860.55 So I, I hope that's not too complicated, but no. 163 00:15:07,265.55 --> 00:15:14,735.55 Because the, anything that we do in extension and spreading comes from central resistance in the middle of the hand. 164 00:15:15,65.55 --> 00:15:23,465.55 So with the ball maintaining the center of that cord in its middle, everything comes from the middle, just like the natural resistance of the hand. 165 00:15:23,765.55 --> 00:15:31,55.55 Okay? As I move out, 'cause that move, the hand moves in and out in a basically circular motion, and now I can allow it to do everything. 166 00:15:31,505.55 --> 00:15:38,675.55 So just like any other joint of the body, whether it be a bicep or a tricep or a quad receptor, it doesn't matter. 167 00:15:39,95.55 --> 00:15:43,745.55 You, you ideally want to move that body part through. 168 00:15:43,745.55 --> 00:15:51,195.55 Its full, that muscle through its full natural range of motion with resistance and that's how you best, best train along lean and balanced muscles. 169 00:15:52,530.55 --> 00:16:00,270.55 And then you were talking about the flexor muscles and extensor muscles, and that they're both equally important. 170 00:16:00,890.55 --> 00:16:06,680.55 Maybe talk about that with our, for our audience and tell us why they're both equally important. 171 00:16:07,10.55 --> 00:16:08,120.55 Yeah, no, excellent. 172 00:16:08,580.55 --> 00:16:08,970.55 There's two. 173 00:16:08,970.55 --> 00:16:11,100.55 I would say there's a few main reasons. 174 00:16:11,100.55 --> 00:16:12,480.55 I'll say there's three main reasons. 175 00:16:12,480.55 --> 00:16:14,550.55 First of all, individually, muscles. 176 00:16:15,600.55 --> 00:16:21,270.55 Almost every action that we do with our body depends on some type of a cooperation. 177 00:16:21,330.55 --> 00:16:21,450.55 Okay. 178 00:16:21,450.55 --> 00:16:29,830.55 If I move my hands, if I throw a baseball I'm gonna move my legs first, my pel my pelvis and my core second, then my arm comes and there's a cooperation. 179 00:16:30,130.55 --> 00:16:38,500.55 In the long term, what you're looking for is to make sure, so functionally all parts of that kinetic chain of grip. 180 00:16:39,85.55 --> 00:16:45,925.55 Are maximally trained, and that means in their, they're long, they're strong, and they have very good blood flow. 181 00:16:45,925.55 --> 00:16:47,245.55 It's another thing we'll talk about. 182 00:16:47,305.55 --> 00:16:49,75.55 I know, especially with your program. 183 00:16:49,825.55 --> 00:16:58,55.55 So I want, as I train them through full natural ranges of motion, that's what I'm gonna get long, strong, and balanced muscles. 184 00:16:58,805.55 --> 00:17:02,825.55 But if I take any of those joints, we'll get to the balance component, which is number two. 185 00:17:02,945.55 --> 00:17:14,895.55 So we want to train them through their full range motion number one, so they're strong and they can contribute to a maximal kinetic chain of performance, whatever we're trying to do, grip in this case. 186 00:17:15,825.55 --> 00:17:31,455.55 So the second reason is that if you take any of the joints, your finger, your thumb, your hand, your wrist, your carpal tunnel, your forearm or your elbow, you want to have strong, balanced muscles on all sides of that joint. 187 00:17:31,455.55 --> 00:17:32,955.55 That's how we get joint stability. 188 00:17:33,510.55 --> 00:17:44,40.55 That's one of the things that we saw, and I'll use professional golfers, but you could be, yourself in the office or a dental hygienist using their tools or guitar player holding a guitar. 189 00:17:44,580.55 --> 00:17:52,210.55 What ends up happening is that over time as they do their activity they are going into an imbalance. 190 00:17:52,420.55 --> 00:18:01,540.55 Okay? So they're, what I saw with the golfers is that they would, they would be gripping so much in their practice, in their play, in their fitness. 191 00:18:01,870.55 --> 00:18:02,800.55 They're always gripping something. 192 00:18:02,800.55 --> 00:18:16,670.55 So those flexor muscles, those nine flexor muscles would really shorten a lot, and that's, would create these shortened fingers, shortened thumbs, collapsed, carpal tunnels, and a shortened elbow, which again, in your situation we'll talk about as we go. 193 00:18:17,170.55 --> 00:18:21,720.55 So what happens there is, we're seeing joint instability because of muscle imbalance. 194 00:18:22,20.55 --> 00:18:26,460.55 So if we have flexors that are way too strong and shortened extensor muscles. 195 00:18:26,790.55 --> 00:18:28,860.55 That are quite weak and static. 196 00:18:29,300.55 --> 00:18:42,620.55 Eventually we're gonna see problems with those joints, and somebody might say you've got a, you've got a, you've got thumb inflammation or something like that, and they might not see that, wow, there's a complete reason for this, is that the muscle is becoming imbalanced. 197 00:18:43,160.55 --> 00:18:49,100.55 So that's the second reason, is you always want muscle balance around the joints to keep the joints strong. 198 00:18:49,490.55 --> 00:19:03,350.55 The third reason why all the flexor and extensor muscles are important is, as I take my, as I exercise regularly through a full range of motion, now I'm gonna stimulate maximum blood flow and maximum lymph drainage. 199 00:19:03,350.55 --> 00:19:07,40.55 That gets to be one of the most important things with hand exercise, especially. 200 00:19:07,850.55 --> 00:19:16,40.55 So now I'm gonna have proper blood flow and lymph drainage to my fingers and thumb and wrist, and especially through the carpal tunnel. 201 00:19:16,640.55 --> 00:19:24,560.55 But also especially to the elbow, as I'm doing these full ranges of motion and that's how I get nutrients to the site for repair. 202 00:19:24,890.55 --> 00:19:30,710.55 And that's how I get lymph drainage to take away those byproducts of muscle contractions and stuff out of there. 203 00:19:31,280.55 --> 00:19:36,300.55 So it just creates that long, healthy, performing muscles. 204 00:19:36,600.55 --> 00:19:42,750.55 It creates balance and stability to the joints and it also creates that maximum blood flow and lymph drainage away. 205 00:19:44,910.55 --> 00:20:06,30.55 So while you were talking, I was envisioning who can, who could benefit from this product? What have you seen in your own practice and in terms of customers, who are the ones who benefit the most from this product? When I first started the intent of the product was really just for training for athletes. 206 00:20:06,30.55 --> 00:20:09,180.55 I wanted to make sure athletes really understood this area. 207 00:20:09,180.55 --> 00:20:12,210.55 And there was I'll just be, there was just ignorance in this area. 208 00:20:12,240.55 --> 00:20:17,350.55 Nobody, everybody was doing this short, small range of motion and thinking, Hey, I'm really working hard. 209 00:20:17,980.55 --> 00:20:23,980.55 So the first thing was, is that no, we want to make sure you're trained through this full natural range of motion. 210 00:20:24,490.55 --> 00:20:27,100.55 This way you're respecting the way your body's built. 211 00:20:27,220.55 --> 00:20:32,260.55 You're respecting the kind of that kinetic chain of grip and we're getting it done properly. 212 00:20:32,770.55 --> 00:20:41,550.55 And obviously we, with practitioners would use that product as a, as as a recovery exercise after whatever their treatment protocol was. 213 00:20:41,550.55 --> 00:20:43,530.55 We didn't want this to be the treatment protocol. 214 00:20:44,80.55 --> 00:20:46,30.55 But recovery, exercise wise. 215 00:20:46,390.55 --> 00:20:48,100.55 They can train their bodies afterwards. 216 00:20:48,430.55 --> 00:20:55,700.55 So the first people really, it was intended for was athletes, musicians, people that are performing grip grip activities. 217 00:20:57,80.55 --> 00:20:58,580.55 What it ended up being Dr. 218 00:20:58,580.55 --> 00:20:59,920.55 Somas, it was interesting. 219 00:20:59,920.55 --> 00:21:05,770.55 I even when I studied, I, even when I studied it and started to see the results I was very excited. 220 00:21:05,770.55 --> 00:21:15,410.55 But then you also started to see the benefit of blood flow and lymph drainage and if any of your listeners can look to see that, and it's more of a po. 221 00:21:15,650.55 --> 00:21:20,480.55 There're some more popular studies that have been published about grip strength and life longevity. 222 00:21:20,480.55 --> 00:21:24,920.55 Even those, there's, I know there's five huge studies and there's more studies coming out. 223 00:21:24,920.55 --> 00:21:25,850.55 It's very popular. 224 00:21:26,865.55 --> 00:21:27,85.55 One. 225 00:21:27,90.55 --> 00:21:35,210.55 One of the things we start to see, and I had one of the, one of our users get back to me on this one, it was about five years ago, they said, I. 226 00:21:35,760.55 --> 00:21:44,760.55 As their patients are using this, they're starting to see that their patients are responding by even mentioning things like they're sleeping better, they're feeling better in general. 227 00:21:45,300.55 --> 00:21:52,230.55 And what what I drew from that is that we're getting blood flow and lymph drainage to the extremities, out to the extremities. 228 00:21:52,230.55 --> 00:21:53,670.55 And that's a really important thing. 229 00:21:54,90.55 --> 00:22:02,320.55 Anything we can do to increase our blood flow getting nutrients around our body and also stimulating lymph drainage away. 230 00:22:02,320.55 --> 00:22:04,750.55 There's a lot of toxins in our bodies nowadays. 231 00:22:04,750.55 --> 00:22:09,430.55 And just having end products of muscle contractions from regular gripping. 232 00:22:09,640.55 --> 00:22:16,820.55 We were starting to see health we were starting to see the extremities change for the better, but we were also starting to see people. 233 00:22:17,150.55 --> 00:22:21,40.55 Having healthier lifestyles just by exercising the extremities. 234 00:22:21,880.55 --> 00:22:22,720.55 It's a long answer. 235 00:22:22,720.55 --> 00:22:24,940.55 I'm almost saying everybody by that. 236 00:22:25,570.55 --> 00:22:31,540.55 But the ones that we saw the most were people that were doing repetitive grip situations. 237 00:22:31,540.55 --> 00:22:39,230.55 So it would be athletes that were involved in repetitive grip, it would be musicians, workplace is a big deal for us ergonomics. 238 00:22:39,230.55 --> 00:22:41,690.55 Now we can provide a real simple solution. 239 00:22:42,210.55 --> 00:22:47,80.55 One of the ones that's not well known, but we see great things is in in new moms. 240 00:22:47,170.55 --> 00:22:47,920.55 In new mothers. 241 00:22:47,920.55 --> 00:22:55,870.55 Because what happens is of course there's hormonal changes as they're seeing the pregnancies, but everybody thinks that means they're gonna get better blood flow. 242 00:22:56,370.55 --> 00:23:01,860.55 They're getting better blood flow to areas that it's important obviously to the area of the pregnancies and right, and whatnot. 243 00:23:01,890.55 --> 00:23:04,980.55 But the extremities aren't really brought into this great blood flow. 244 00:23:04,980.55 --> 00:23:07,830.55 They actually get less blood flow, is my understanding. 245 00:23:07,830.55 --> 00:23:09,630.55 And the other, the next thing that happens is. 246 00:23:10,200.55 --> 00:23:21,135.55 They're going to be preparing to have the daily activities of a baby, where there's gonna be a lot of gripping, a lot of holding, and a lot of motion of the thumb and the wrist in holding. 247 00:23:21,405.55 --> 00:23:26,625.55 And so we see a lot of the que vein syndrome, a lot of carpal tunnel syndrome and those types of things. 248 00:23:27,105.55 --> 00:23:31,65.55 So we see a lot of help for pregnant women. 249 00:23:31,905.55 --> 00:23:44,475.55 We see a lot of help for I, I know you deal with like middle aged women and there's women that are going through menopause where there is now a lower there's lower va, there's lower vascular performance just because of the hormone changes. 250 00:23:45,165.55 --> 00:23:55,975.55 And so we're really trying to entice everybody, but especially those subgroups to just easy exercise, full range of motion that stimulates blood flow and lymph training. 251 00:23:55,975.55 --> 00:24:01,765.55 You can, and it's a real easy habit just to bring that continued wellness to your life instead of. 252 00:24:02,305.55 --> 00:24:06,675.55 Being passive and letting nature just take over and say, ah, you know what you're slowing down. 253 00:24:06,675.55 --> 00:24:07,455.55 We'll slow you down. 254 00:24:07,995.55 --> 00:24:10,965.55 So mostly it was planned for grip. 255 00:24:11,355.55 --> 00:24:16,845.55 And then as we started to go, we see it's a, it's very much of a wellness product as well, right? For many of our customers. 256 00:24:16,845.55 --> 00:24:26,55.55 That's what a lot of our new customers are, is wellness product, like wellness customers where they're just wanting to make sure they're maximizing blood flow and lymph drainage. 257 00:24:26,365.55 --> 00:24:29,215.55 And again, that also helps for somebody that's post-injury. 258 00:24:29,215.55 --> 00:24:36,565.55 They've been through a treatment of their hand, wrist form, elbow, carpal tunnel, and they want to have a recovery exercise. 259 00:24:36,715.55 --> 00:24:38,815.55 Those are our main, those are our main uses. 260 00:24:39,380.55 --> 00:24:50,660.55 Have you be seen situations where a patient or someone might have had carpal tunnel and used your product and may not have had need needed surgery. 261 00:24:50,810.55 --> 00:24:57,280.55 Like the device as well as the stretches were enough to treat the patient. 262 00:24:57,830.55 --> 00:24:58,530.55 We Dr. 263 00:24:58,530.55 --> 00:25:01,565.55 Soman, we get, I don't talk a lot about anecdotal evidence and Okay. 264 00:25:01,565.55 --> 00:25:03,180.55 And things like that but over and over. 265 00:25:03,180.55 --> 00:25:04,110.55 The answer's yes. 266 00:25:04,170.55 --> 00:25:04,230.55 Okay. 267 00:25:04,230.55 --> 00:25:06,180.55 Nothing is doc, nothing is documented. 268 00:25:06,180.55 --> 00:25:07,320.55 That's directly from us. 269 00:25:07,320.55 --> 00:25:15,220.55 But we also had, I believe it was 2017 or 2018, we had a large study published study. 270 00:25:15,280.55 --> 00:25:18,940.55 It was out I think it was the, a I don't know the journal offhand now I should know it. 271 00:25:18,940.55 --> 00:25:21,340.55 I think it was the Asian Journal of Neurosurgery. 272 00:25:21,820.55 --> 00:25:21,850.55 Okay. 273 00:25:22,240.55 --> 00:25:23,920.55 And it used our product. 274 00:25:23,920.55 --> 00:25:27,270.55 What happened is there was this it was a researcher from Turkey. 275 00:25:28,335.55 --> 00:25:34,185.55 She told us what she wanted to do and she knew of our product and she actually used our medium strength product. 276 00:25:34,185.55 --> 00:25:36,105.55 The one that I showed you for. 277 00:25:36,105.55 --> 00:25:38,835.55 The, anybody that's viewing is the, is a soft one. 278 00:25:39,735.55 --> 00:25:44,295.55 So ideally we like people to start with the soft, especially if they're having any kind of challenge. 279 00:25:44,295.55 --> 00:25:48,135.55 We like to see that they can just open and close their hand without resistance. 280 00:25:48,405.55 --> 00:25:51,45.55 Then they move to a soft, then they move to a medium. 281 00:25:51,525.55 --> 00:26:00,35.55 In this particular study, they used they used carpal tunnel patients that were diagnosed with carpal tunnel through nerve conduction, like not a guess. 282 00:26:00,35.55 --> 00:26:01,445.55 It was nerve conduction studies. 283 00:26:02,225.55 --> 00:26:06,605.55 And they used our product, the medium, which is, I didn't quite understand. 284 00:26:06,605.55 --> 00:26:10,25.55 She was going to go straight using the medium right away. 285 00:26:10,25.55 --> 00:26:11,855.55 It should have been soft, the medium, but it regardless. 286 00:26:12,485.55 --> 00:26:21,635.55 And they had, after, I believe after three months, one third of the people that had carpal tunnel had clear readings on the electrical exam. 287 00:26:22,70.55 --> 00:26:29,990.55 So definitely there's lots of documented as well as just, loads of anecdotal stuff to tell you about. 288 00:26:30,380.55 --> 00:26:35,850.55 When I talk about carpal tunnel syndrome and our product I never say our product is to treat anything. 289 00:26:35,930.55 --> 00:26:40,970.55 It's to strengthen and balance right, and to optimize these structures. 290 00:26:41,360.55 --> 00:26:45,30.55 So I do talk a lot about making your carpal tunnel thrive. 291 00:26:45,120.55 --> 00:26:48,210.55 'cause whenever we talk about carpal tunnel, it's always carpal tunnel syndrome. 292 00:26:48,840.55 --> 00:26:53,830.55 We never actually talk about the carpal tunnel and how to train the muscles that attach on the carpal tunnel. 293 00:26:54,460.55 --> 00:27:07,920.55 Once we start doing that and we talk to groups about, there's many muscles that attach directly onto the carpal tunnel ligament as well as the posterior side of the carpal tunnel, some of the bone structures. 294 00:27:08,490.55 --> 00:27:14,370.55 And as we start to train those through full range of motion, we start to see some balance and we take away the collapse. 295 00:27:15,45.55 --> 00:27:19,665.55 But again, the most important thing is we bring blood flow through the tunnel and lymph drainage away. 296 00:27:19,885.55 --> 00:27:21,775.55 And that's a lot of carpal tunnel syndrome. 297 00:27:21,775.55 --> 00:27:25,655.55 Is that chronic? The chronic collapse of the carpal tunnel. 298 00:27:25,660.55 --> 00:27:25,700.55 Okay. 299 00:27:25,705.55 --> 00:27:32,315.55 And add it to it is the poor circulation through the carpal tunnel because we're not getting any exercise to are extremities. 300 00:27:32,865.55 --> 00:27:36,375.55 You mentioned that I do see a lot of women in their midwives. 301 00:27:36,925.55 --> 00:27:56,245.55 What kind of conditions do you see at this stage where, they might have these hormonal fluctuations or, they're menopausal? What kind of conditions are prevalent that your, that hand master plus would be beneficial for them? This, that's an, it's a really good question because it's an interesting area. 302 00:27:56,245.55 --> 00:27:58,615.55 It's been an interesting area to me for a long time. 303 00:27:59,115.55 --> 00:28:04,485.55 The biggest thing that I can see, and again we don't, this is anecdotal, it's what we've seen, but I study a lot because it interests me. 304 00:28:04,485.55 --> 00:28:11,920.55 What happens when the hormone, when we're seeing estrogen change, we're seeing the hormones change in we see less blood flow to the extremities. 305 00:28:11,920.55 --> 00:28:15,920.55 We see poor va a reduction in VA in vascularity. 306 00:28:16,340.55 --> 00:28:17,940.55 So that's always been our thing. 307 00:28:17,940.55 --> 00:28:26,560.55 So if there's, I know from working with athletes that was originally my expertise, but now, we work with people in ergonomics and people in music and et cetera. 308 00:28:27,40.55 --> 00:28:30,130.55 And always what I see is one of the things that stimulates them. 309 00:28:30,130.55 --> 00:28:37,240.55 When we, and even if anybody uses our product within the first fi couple minutes, I'll always ask them, okay, take it off. 310 00:28:37,480.55 --> 00:28:39,340.55 What do you do? You feel that blood flow. 311 00:28:39,610.55 --> 00:28:44,320.55 And it's just like they've come to a new world, they're just going, wow, I, they feel blood flow in that area. 312 00:28:45,370.55 --> 00:28:47,80.55 So to answer that question. 313 00:28:48,115.55 --> 00:28:52,585.55 I feel it'll help all the chronic, repetitive, gripping conditions that we see. 314 00:28:52,775.55 --> 00:29:01,670.55 We, you see a lot of finger and thumb arthritis and it gets worse as the VAs it, they're more exposed to it as the vascularity and their life slows down. 315 00:29:01,670.55 --> 00:29:09,740.55 Okay, so I, so the fingers in the thumb, a big thing is, again, I'll always go with the carpal tunnel, but also with the elbows. 316 00:29:10,60.55 --> 00:29:12,760.55 And even hand arthritis into the joints of the hand. 317 00:29:13,240.55 --> 00:29:19,930.55 And all we're suggesting that they add to their lifestyle is this simple exercise where you can open and spread. 318 00:29:19,930.55 --> 00:29:23,540.55 You do it, it might be for a minute at a time until there's a comfortable fatigue. 319 00:29:23,540.55 --> 00:29:24,830.55 It's all it usually takes. 320 00:29:25,310.55 --> 00:29:35,30.55 And then do it a couple times a day and see what happens with these finger, thumb, hand, wrist, carpal tunnel, forearm and elbow joints and wherever you might be, have been having the problems. 321 00:29:36,245.55 --> 00:29:37,85.55 See what happens. 322 00:29:37,535.55 --> 00:29:43,175.55 And all as we're doing is taking the body through its range of motion with some controlled resistance. 323 00:29:43,175.55 --> 00:29:52,345.55 And I, as depending how old and functional the person is, like most of our users that are going through menopause or something like that are just still using the medium just like they normally would. 324 00:29:52,350.55 --> 00:30:03,620.55 And maybe as the men and women that are getting older, we just want 'em to use the soft and keep, tell, keep their, that higher mind inside going, wow, bill or Debbie's still moving their extremities. 325 00:30:03,980.55 --> 00:30:07,310.55 I'm gonna still keep those, those arteries dilated. 326 00:30:07,340.55 --> 00:30:11,750.55 I'm still gonna get, and we still gotta keep them moving and functional out there. 327 00:30:12,20.55 --> 00:30:22,860.55 But the, the time where we say, ah, I'm not gonna do much anymore and I'm just gonna repetitively grip with whatever your daily habits are, that's when you start to slowly see these repetitive grip. 328 00:30:23,190.55 --> 00:30:26,970.55 The repetitive grip injuries aren't so forgiving because the blood flows slowed down. 329 00:30:27,495.55 --> 00:30:31,455.55 So we're asking them to no, not asking them. 330 00:30:31,455.55 --> 00:30:38,595.55 We're suggesting that they stay more active through a full range of motion, and here's an easy habit, an easy way to do it. 331 00:30:38,810.55 --> 00:30:40,750.55 And you'll enjoy it and you'll feel it right away. 332 00:30:41,110.55 --> 00:30:41,380.55 Yeah. 333 00:30:41,975.55 --> 00:30:54,335.55 We've been talking a lot about grip, and to me it's always very obvious as to why grip is important, but maybe our listeners need to understand why the grip function is so important in our lives. 334 00:30:54,375.55 --> 00:30:56,205.55 Can you go into that? Yeah. 335 00:30:56,410.55 --> 00:31:08,375.55 I think it's, I think it's hugely important and I also think as I look at it through, I meant to probably be involved in really this grip for a couple of years, and now we've been doing it for over 15 years. 336 00:31:09,500.55 --> 00:31:14,280.55 The more I look at it, the more I'm almost shocked and dumbfounded that there isn't more attention on it. 337 00:31:14,280.55 --> 00:31:18,810.55 And I think you're starting to see the more attention through the life longevity studies and things like that. 338 00:31:18,860.55 --> 00:31:21,320.55 But it really is, it's our connection to everything we do. 339 00:31:21,830.55 --> 00:31:29,570.55 Anything we talk about with our up extremity, the only really, the only reason the upper extremities there is to grip things. 340 00:31:29,620.55 --> 00:31:31,960.55 Maybe push things, pull things, whatever. 341 00:31:31,960.55 --> 00:31:35,255.55 But we're always gripping, like the whole idea of the arms is to grip things. 342 00:31:35,855.55 --> 00:31:55,945.55 So there's that whole kinetic chain that, and I think just because of the physical appearance of that, we're so interested in our physical appearance while we do train our biceps and our triceps, because they're quite easily and visual, we chain, we train our chest and our back because, we wanna look healthy and we don't wanna be slumped. 343 00:31:56,635.55 --> 00:32:00,775.55 But we for some reason ignore this major connection to everything we do. 344 00:32:00,805.55 --> 00:32:04,285.55 It doesn't matter your daily chores, what you're doing around your house, your yard. 345 00:32:05,20.55 --> 00:32:08,50.55 Your sport, your music, your workplace. 346 00:32:08,530.55 --> 00:32:09,970.55 We're always using them. 347 00:32:09,970.55 --> 00:32:12,490.55 And it's almost like we've ignored them for a long time. 348 00:32:13,120.55 --> 00:32:22,130.55 When we look at seeing that omission, and then we go over onto the other side and we see these studies of, wow, the hands the grip strength and life longevity. 349 00:32:22,130.55 --> 00:32:23,330.55 These are real indicators. 350 00:32:23,330.55 --> 00:32:34,560.55 So now a lot of health practitioners using dynamometers to keep an eye on grip strength, to look for patterns that might lead to, say, Hey, something's, something's just not right with your health. 351 00:32:35,60.55 --> 00:32:43,550.55 I think we should start to see that, let's take this really seriously and grip to me is still at, its it's just being birthed to what we know about grip. 352 00:32:43,550.55 --> 00:32:45,260.55 Like our product's not that well known. 353 00:32:45,290.55 --> 00:32:52,830.55 Most people still think it's taking a coiled grip trainer and squeezing a coiled, one of the coiled grippers or spring loaded. 354 00:32:53,410.55 --> 00:32:54,940.55 It's hugely important. 355 00:32:55,60.55 --> 00:33:06,820.55 It's important to our health, it's important to our performance, and it's still vastly misunderstood and I think we've taken grip a long way to show people how to train 27 muscles super easily, just close and open and spread. 356 00:33:06,820.55 --> 00:33:10,990.55 And then we have this figure eight exercise that you do for the forearm muscles. 357 00:33:11,860.55 --> 00:33:16,230.55 And any, anybody can use that with a softer, a medium. 358 00:33:16,500.55 --> 00:33:21,150.55 And we also have a firm, but anybody can use it easily, a couple minutes a day. 359 00:33:21,150.55 --> 00:33:27,420.55 And at whatever level they are they keep their grip strong and healthy and proper blood flow to those extremities. 360 00:33:28,740.55 --> 00:33:41,260.55 I even as a, a doctor, full, fully trained doctor, at that point, I'd never really appreciated how much, how important your grip was until I lost it completely. 361 00:33:41,860.55 --> 00:33:44,460.55 I had a full, radial palsy at that point. 362 00:33:44,760.55 --> 00:33:52,20.55 So complete loss of any function in my hand, and fortunately it started coming back. 363 00:33:52,390.55 --> 00:34:19,440.55 But as I mentioned, I have, a chronic neuropathy i, that's when I ca came to appreciate and understand form my patients, and especially the ones who are older who are at risk for falls, who maybe live alone and need to open jars or cook or do other activities of daily living, how important that grip is. 364 00:34:19,440.55 --> 00:34:24,180.55 And if you lose it, it's like you lose a lot in your life. 365 00:34:24,780.55 --> 00:34:39,730.55 So I'm always asking patients how they're getting along and how are they're, especially if they live by themselves, if they're able to open those jars, if they're able to hold onto things without any issue. 366 00:34:39,760.55 --> 00:34:42,660.55 'cause as you were saying, it is really important. 367 00:34:43,110.55 --> 00:34:46,870.55 Do you see in the older population that it. 368 00:34:47,575.55 --> 00:34:57,385.55 Has given them a little bit of some function back in terms of, I know you don't like to speak anecdotally, but maybe on a broader level if there's improvement. 369 00:34:58,45.55 --> 00:34:59,65.55 Yeah, absolutely. 370 00:34:59,65.55 --> 00:35:00,415.55 And I think it gives them hope too. 371 00:35:00,415.55 --> 00:35:09,345.55 And you make a really good point that that I often talk about it grips one of those things that you just don't appreciate it until you're having a problem with it. 372 00:35:09,685.55 --> 00:35:21,235.55 I'm, I was an athlete all the time and I remember having, you, you figure out a way to, you figure out a way that going, wow, that, I changed the position of my golf ball and my stance, and I'm really like, you're hitting it. 373 00:35:21,235.55 --> 00:35:28,725.55 Then you hit balls all night, and pretty soon you've got an elbow problem going on, and pretty soon you can't, even like the case of the fellow that I. 374 00:35:29,145.55 --> 00:35:31,425.55 That I saw he had a tennis elbow so bad. 375 00:35:32,55.55 --> 00:35:35,835.55 Then you realize, holy mackerel, this is a, and it's a tender balance. 376 00:35:35,835.55 --> 00:35:41,785.55 Once you lose it having radial problems or having these tennis elbows and medial epicondylitis, which we see a lot too. 377 00:35:42,715.55 --> 00:35:48,715.55 You don't understand how debilitating it is until it happens to you, and then it's every, and then it's everywhere. 378 00:35:49,15.55 --> 00:35:50,965.55 As far as with the Yeah, absolutely. 379 00:35:50,965.55 --> 00:35:57,465.55 With seniors I often will tell them, and I'm not trying to be humorous about this, but I'll often tell you, people say it's too late for me now. 380 00:35:57,465.55 --> 00:35:58,155.55 I've got these art. 381 00:35:58,245.55 --> 00:36:02,835.55 Whatever changes I've got, these arthritic changes are, I've got this thumb that's shortened or whatever. 382 00:36:03,555.55 --> 00:36:11,335.55 We, we talk a lot about as long as that, as long as your heart's beating your body's able to react to your change in daily habits. 383 00:36:11,725.55 --> 00:36:15,385.55 So you just start and start moving this through a full range of motion. 384 00:36:15,775.55 --> 00:36:17,995.55 Then you start doing the figure eight exercise. 385 00:36:18,355.55 --> 00:36:26,615.55 And you start feeling that now all of a sudden, wow, I can open or I can grip things better, I can opening jars I'm glad you mentioned that. 386 00:36:26,645.55 --> 00:36:28,85.55 'cause that's a really important thing. 387 00:36:28,505.55 --> 00:36:33,935.55 I can talk a lot about the first exercise we did, which was just closing the ball and then opening and spread. 388 00:36:34,385.55 --> 00:36:38,375.55 And I saw that did wonders, especially for the fingers and the thumb and the carpal tunnel. 389 00:36:38,975.55 --> 00:36:46,25.55 But when you're getting into, when you're gripping something and then all of a sudden you're rotating, it gets into different, very different mechanics. 390 00:36:46,865.55 --> 00:36:48,665.55 And so those are the ones that we give. 391 00:36:48,815.55 --> 00:36:53,345.55 Where we you, there's an exercise if people wanna look up the hand master plus figure eight exercise. 392 00:36:53,555.55 --> 00:36:59,45.55 You close against the ball, you open and spread against the cord, and then you do a figure eight exercise. 393 00:36:59,75.55 --> 00:37:00,905.55 You do a figure eight motion at the wrist. 394 00:37:01,385.55 --> 00:37:09,215.55 And what that does, it takes those nine stabilizer muscles of your wrist and it takes them through their full natural range of motion. 395 00:37:09,935.55 --> 00:37:13,835.55 That's when you stimulate again, those long lean muscles and good blood flow. 396 00:37:14,555.55 --> 00:37:19,835.55 When people do that, and the older ones, they just do it with the soft after some time, two or three weeks. 397 00:37:19,835.55 --> 00:37:26,815.55 Next thing they're feeling grip strength in their grip, and even in rotating in the complicated motion of opening a jar. 398 00:37:27,325.55 --> 00:37:29,755.55 So it's never too late. 399 00:37:29,855.55 --> 00:37:43,335.55 People think, ah, there's no, no chance for me now, like the older ones or somebody that's been through a chronic injury, even like yourself, right? You start going through these natural injuries, or excuse me, going through these natural ranges of motion with a, with appropriate resistance. 400 00:37:44,55.55 --> 00:37:50,115.55 And then over time you add to the resistance if needed, or you just stay at that and you start to get blood. 401 00:37:50,175.55 --> 00:38:02,640.55 You start to develop long lean muscles again that are in balance, that are functional and the greatest secondary benefit is that you stimulate blood flow and you stimulate limb drainage, and that's the self healer. 402 00:38:02,640.55 --> 00:38:05,970.55 You get nutrients to the site, you get waste products away. 403 00:38:06,465.55 --> 00:38:07,685.55 And consistent. 404 00:38:07,685.55 --> 00:38:08,225.55 Consistent. 405 00:38:08,225.55 --> 00:38:11,105.55 And you see a whole change in the performance of those structures. 406 00:38:11,605.55 --> 00:38:17,295.55 I feel like I'm asking you for a consult on my podcast, but you mentioned Yeah, no problem. 407 00:38:17,895.55 --> 00:38:18,705.55 Absolutely no problem. 408 00:38:18,705.55 --> 00:38:20,625.55 That's how I, that's the best way to teach too. 409 00:38:20,625.55 --> 00:38:25,745.55 But with the elbow injury, right? And you mentioned the shortened elbow which is what I have. 410 00:38:26,235.55 --> 00:38:36,785.55 What would you recommend for me to do at this point? The good thing about Hand Master Plus is no matter we've, we, most of what we do is two exercises. 411 00:38:37,175.55 --> 00:38:42,845.55 Okay? So if you have a carpal tunnel problem, you're gonna close the ball and you're gonna open and spread, close the ball, open and spread. 412 00:38:43,745.55 --> 00:38:49,150.55 We jokingly say that if you can't remember that exercise, you might have, bigger problems than your carpal tunnel imbalance. 413 00:38:49,150.55 --> 00:38:50,200.55 But that's what we wanted to do. 414 00:38:50,200.55 --> 00:38:53,830.55 We wanted to get to the point where people don't, you and I can talk about. 415 00:38:54,175.55 --> 00:38:57,845.55 All these muscles and lymph drainage and stuff like that, which is great. 416 00:38:57,845.55 --> 00:39:03,335.55 It's important, but most people don't want, and they, most people aren't interested in the closing. 417 00:39:03,335.55 --> 00:39:03,905.55 You open. 418 00:39:04,625.55 --> 00:39:07,955.55 The second exercise we do is what we call that figure eight exercise. 419 00:39:08,315.55 --> 00:39:18,545.55 Okay? And we tested that exercise for many years with our athletes and musicians, but you close and open and spread and then you're doing that figure eight at the wrist with the hand open against the resistance. 420 00:39:20,35.55 --> 00:39:21,595.55 In your situation. 421 00:39:21,655.55 --> 00:39:23,395.55 That's the most likely thing. 422 00:39:23,395.55 --> 00:39:32,695.55 And again, we always say when there's some type of a health condition involved, like we, we don't want to be say, use hand master plus to clear your conditions. 423 00:39:32,695.55 --> 00:39:41,45.55 You, if you have, if you are going through a health condition, you should be having a consult with somebody that's well-versed in this area. 424 00:39:41,495.55 --> 00:39:46,835.55 They do their treatment and then we can rec, recommend recovery exercises. 425 00:39:46,835.55 --> 00:39:49,645.55 Generally speaking though, when we're talking about elbows. 426 00:39:50,325.55 --> 00:39:57,795.55 The main thing we recon we recommend is the figure eight exercise, because it takes the elbow through its full range motion. 427 00:39:57,795.55 --> 00:40:04,605.55 Okay? So it's going, we're not doing the flexion and extension, we don't do that, but it's taking what the radius will do. 428 00:40:04,605.55 --> 00:40:13,125.55 Like the head of your radius, I don't know if there's any range of motion still there, but you take it through whatever range of motion you can, whatever range of motion there. 429 00:40:13,155.55 --> 00:40:20,775.55 'cause what we're trying to do is build the muscles as well as possible around it, as well as bringing blood flow to it. 430 00:40:21,315.55 --> 00:40:22,840.55 So it just depends. 431 00:40:22,840.55 --> 00:40:37,200.55 I, we, you'd have to see your x-rays and see all the, yes, what kind of range of motion do you actually have, but you use the range of motion that you have to make it that area as as mobile as it possibly can be, but also heal the tissues. 432 00:40:37,530.55 --> 00:40:45,670.55 But if we're never, if we're never taking it through full range of motion, your body will just adapt into, healing that area and make sure it's stable. 433 00:40:46,195.55 --> 00:40:47,365.55 You've got other things to do. 434 00:40:47,365.55 --> 00:40:52,95.55 You've gotta digest food, you gotta grow hair, you gotta, your body has lots to do. 435 00:40:52,95.55 --> 00:40:58,895.55 So if you're not taking it through its full natural range of motion, one joint, it's going ah, someone doesn't use that very much through a full range of motion. 436 00:40:58,895.55 --> 00:41:03,595.55 We'll just, we'll just fibro it up and make sure it's nice and stable and nothing gets hurt. 437 00:41:04,235.55 --> 00:41:13,505.55 Once you start moving it your body responds to those daily activities differently and next thing you're gonna see some range of motion, whatever range of motion's possible. 438 00:41:14,5.55 --> 00:41:16,975.55 I think it's like the same principle, the use it or lose it. 439 00:41:17,215.55 --> 00:41:17,875.55 Absolutely. 440 00:41:18,245.55 --> 00:41:26,185.55 Yeah, use, I think use it or lose it is just a really clear, concise saying that your body will respond to what you do. 441 00:41:26,615.55 --> 00:41:38,875.55 And if you don't do anything, why would the body want to keep spending energy on maintaining that area? And especially if there's been an injury, 'cause now there's been an injury, you're gonna get fibrous tissue changes. 442 00:41:38,890.55 --> 00:41:46,490.55 One, one other thing that you bring me on that inspired me is when I was going through the process of, geez, I don't know how to develop a product. 443 00:41:46,490.55 --> 00:41:51,595.55 I don't know anything about this and do I wanna do it or do I wanna just I didn't know what to do. 444 00:41:52,135.55 --> 00:42:07,845.55 At that point in my brother who was a hockey player, he was playing quite a bit and he, contacted, he phoned me and he said, yeah I got hit and I had my hand, my back of my wrist was hit, the back of my hand was hit, and my wrist my palm touched my forearm. 445 00:42:07,935.55 --> 00:42:13,45.55 Do you think there might be a problem? Yeah, you probably broken that so you better get to the emergency and whatever. 446 00:42:13,45.55 --> 00:42:14,725.55 So he went and did that. 447 00:42:15,55.55 --> 00:42:20,905.55 He ended up having a fracture, and when he got outta the fracture that, that's all they gave him was a ball to squeeze. 448 00:42:21,355.55 --> 00:42:31,725.55 And of course, at that point I was, I'd be really into what do I wanna do here? Why is there so much misunderstanding? I might be somebody that could have something to do with enlightening people about this area. 449 00:42:32,415.55 --> 00:42:39,165.55 Once I saw that one, because now if he takes that ball and he's just broken his wrist, he's gonna take a little squeeze ball and squeeze it. 450 00:42:39,675.55 --> 00:42:43,95.55 He's gonna have blood flow, a little bit of blood flow to the flexor areas. 451 00:42:43,405.55 --> 00:42:50,35.55 But he's never, you're gonna just, he's gonna thicken and callous and he's never gonna get full range of motion of that wrist back. 452 00:42:50,995.55 --> 00:42:53,755.55 It might move better just with his natural range of motion. 453 00:42:53,755.55 --> 00:42:56,215.55 But I don't wanna, I want that risk to thrive. 454 00:42:56,465.55 --> 00:42:59,975.55 You want things to thrive, not just heal, and I now move it. 455 00:42:59,975.55 --> 00:43:00,575.55 Okay. 456 00:43:01,85.55 --> 00:43:07,325.55 But after injuries, you're gonna have, you're gonna have fibrous changes and the body will try to stabilize that as well. 457 00:43:07,325.55 --> 00:43:07,805.55 It should. 458 00:43:07,805.55 --> 00:43:14,885.55 But, with a wrist or with a joint like that, we want it to heal properly through its full range of motion. 459 00:43:14,885.55 --> 00:43:19,235.55 And that's why we want them to do these recovery exercises that are proper. 460 00:43:19,235.55 --> 00:43:26,935.55 And we see these balls or nothing get handed out after these, finger and thumb fractures and wrist fractures and elbow. 461 00:43:27,215.55 --> 00:43:36,950.55 And it's one of the things I'd love to see the whole world be able to do is after somebody, you had a fracture of your radius, you said now that's pretty, that's a pretty difficult rehab process. 462 00:43:37,100.55 --> 00:43:37,550.55 Yeah, it was. 463 00:43:37,550.55 --> 00:43:47,900.55 Then all of a sudden we'd just have somebody I would like to see it where they go with, okay, Soma, let's just have you close and open your hand without anything on it and just do a figure eight exercise. 464 00:43:47,900.55 --> 00:43:49,820.55 Can you do that? And you go it's pretty tough. 465 00:43:50,250.55 --> 00:43:51,660.55 I'll do that for two, three weeks. 466 00:43:51,660.55 --> 00:43:52,860.55 And you go, okay, now I'm good. 467 00:43:53,460.55 --> 00:43:57,880.55 Now you put that soft hand master on it and you go okay, this is a little bit more range of motion. 468 00:43:58,540.55 --> 00:44:00,580.55 And pretty soon you're back to new. 469 00:44:00,580.55 --> 00:44:03,430.55 And in fact, after a fracture, often you're back to better than new. 470 00:44:04,0.55 --> 00:44:07,430.55 But depending on, what the alignment was and all that stuff. 471 00:44:07,430.55 --> 00:44:09,800.55 But we'd like to see this area. 472 00:44:10,550.55 --> 00:44:14,0.55 Trained through its full range of motion after an injury. 473 00:44:14,150.55 --> 00:44:18,440.55 That's the recovery exercise should be full range of motion with appropriate resistance. 474 00:44:18,680.55 --> 00:44:24,740.55 And once you do that over time that these bodies don't just callous into the injury. 475 00:44:25,250.55 --> 00:44:26,210.55 Way better outcomes. 476 00:44:26,210.55 --> 00:44:31,430.55 And then you don't see you don't see injuries and prob problems continuing or coming back. 477 00:44:31,930.55 --> 00:44:51,860.55 I think you just got a customer here, so we'll you let me know after the show and we'll send you a, you'll send you a set to make sure you, you are believer but it just, again, it's just, it just makes sense anatomically and the thing we've done, I think the most is we've dumbed this down to where you don't have to know all these 'cause it does. 478 00:44:51,980.55 --> 00:44:55,520.55 I think one of the things that scares people away about this area, even practitioners. 479 00:44:56,135.55 --> 00:45:03,745.55 Before I got right into it I couldn't remember all the muscles and where they attach and where they or originate and what nerve innervates them. 480 00:45:04,195.55 --> 00:45:05,935.55 Just too much to memorize in the body. 481 00:45:06,385.55 --> 00:45:31,615.55 I generally knew the exercises, but now, we can dumb it down to where I know that if somebody has that product on them, one of our athletes or musicians or somebody that's hurt themselves or a company that wants to give them to their workers, I know that as long as they can remember that exercise, I know they're going through a full range of motion and they're doing it properly and it's just easy now and it's complete now. 482 00:45:32,305.55 --> 00:45:37,785.55 And it's just a matter of educating people that guys, your hands don't just close they open, they move. 483 00:45:37,785.55 --> 00:45:40,425.55 The grip is very diverse to train. 484 00:45:40,845.55 --> 00:45:42,945.55 But now again, like I say, we've made it easy. 485 00:45:42,945.55 --> 00:45:45,285.55 There's just no excuses to not give it a go. 486 00:45:46,110.55 --> 00:46:02,320.55 I think it's fascinating how you've described the physiology and obviously we've talked about the grip and how important it is and the function of the hand and wrist and elbow, but how important it is for our entire health, our entire body. 487 00:46:02,810.55 --> 00:46:06,980.55 And that's the part that I didn't realize until I spoke with you. 488 00:46:07,310.55 --> 00:46:08,180.55 So thank you. 489 00:46:08,600.55 --> 00:46:09,110.55 And yeah. 490 00:46:09,110.55 --> 00:46:28,430.55 And one of the things to keep in mind too, and we talked to the practitioners about this when we talk about, is that why does it help your health to bring blood flow to your extremities? What does that have anything to do with it? And I think, and again, this is, we're guessing at this point, this is new ground in the last four or five years, we've been working a lot with lymph drainage, the concept of lymph drainage. 491 00:46:29,0.55 --> 00:46:32,840.55 But the lymph ducts are basically located just behind your collarbones. 492 00:46:33,560.55 --> 00:46:43,70.55 So the more I'm bringing stimulating blood flow up to my extremities, okay, so I'm getting blood flow out to my extremities and lymph drainage back. 493 00:46:43,760.55 --> 00:47:04,485.55 We have to think that it's improving the function of the lymph ducts to drain, to detoxify your body and to just, I don't know about just detoxifying, but for making sure that the byproducts of muscle contractions as we're gripping all day, that's being taken away and we're not building these kind of, passive vascularity in our body. 494 00:47:04,695.55 --> 00:47:14,395.55 And and a lot of times I think once we get un non-active, that whole almost traffic system of blood and lymph can get, a traffic jam or get backed up. 495 00:47:14,395.55 --> 00:47:22,235.55 And then we see problems with how we're normally meant to heal and, heal and detoxify and heal and detoxify and. 496 00:47:22,790.55 --> 00:47:34,935.55 I think we're gonna see that training the grip and training the extremities to involve them again, is really steam keeping that process going again and again, it's easy to do. 497 00:47:35,950.55 --> 00:47:45,425.55 Do you have other products for stretching or for the lower extremities? Anything else that you've developed? Yeah we don't have anything on the market. 498 00:47:45,425.55 --> 00:47:57,630.55 We've got something similar that we've been in the process and this is the same with hand, with the hand master plus it took a while to test it and make sure it was properly and make sure it moved properly and the like, the resistance vectors were really good. 499 00:47:58,160.55 --> 00:48:00,650.55 But we have something it's too early to tell. 500 00:48:00,660.55 --> 00:48:01,800.55 We don't have it right yet. 501 00:48:02,130.55 --> 00:48:02,220.55 Okay. 502 00:48:02,250.55 --> 00:48:04,680.55 But we'd like to do something with the feet as well. 503 00:48:04,680.55 --> 00:48:09,240.55 Very similar concept, making sure people aren't just having their feet being imp passive. 504 00:48:09,610.55 --> 00:48:12,220.55 Again, really important just to, especially the feet too. 505 00:48:12,250.55 --> 00:48:16,240.55 There's a lot of, a lot of blood flowing lymph drainage components there as well. 506 00:48:16,700.55 --> 00:48:18,290.55 As well as structural components. 507 00:48:18,320.55 --> 00:48:20,450.55 We're getting passive feet with the rubber shoes. 508 00:48:20,450.55 --> 00:48:24,500.55 Now the feet don't have to really grip or don't have to roll or do anything. 509 00:48:24,920.55 --> 00:48:25,820.55 So that's one thing. 510 00:48:25,820.55 --> 00:48:32,960.55 And we have a stretching, we have a stretching exercise, usually don't have much time to talk about it, but it's called a three minute stretch. 511 00:48:33,290.55 --> 00:48:36,110.55 People can go on our website@doczach.com. 512 00:48:36,110.55 --> 00:48:37,220.55 I don't know if you're gonna post it. 513 00:48:37,340.55 --> 00:48:38,120.55 It's DOCI. 514 00:48:38,120.55 --> 00:48:38,210.55 Yes. 515 00:48:38,210.55 --> 00:48:39,920.55 dac.com. 516 00:48:40,970.55 --> 00:48:50,180.55 Similar to what we want to do with Hand Master Plus is I had a very difficult time to get my patient stretching, to get me stretching. 517 00:48:50,750.55 --> 00:48:53,270.55 And I don't just mean stretching one little part. 518 00:48:53,270.55 --> 00:49:01,620.55 I believe in stretching all of the body top to bottom on a daily basis so that we can maintain ourself on a vertical center. 519 00:49:01,720.55 --> 00:49:06,310.55 We're doing things with our right and our left and we're slowly building into these imbalances. 520 00:49:06,310.55 --> 00:49:08,410.55 I want people to be able to stretch daily. 521 00:49:08,920.55 --> 00:49:12,20.55 Understand it and be able to perform it really well. 522 00:49:12,20.55 --> 00:49:13,400.55 And that's the three minute stretch. 523 00:49:14,0.55 --> 00:49:14,630.55 It's the other thing. 524 00:49:14,630.55 --> 00:49:17,90.55 So we deal with hand master plus and the three minute stretch. 525 00:49:17,570.55 --> 00:49:20,260.55 Everything else is in development, but okay. 526 00:49:20,590.55 --> 00:49:21,550.55 Almost the same thing. 527 00:49:21,550.55 --> 00:49:30,280.55 We want to respect the body, keep it in balance, keep it functioning, and something that's very easily doable for people that they can fit into their daily activities. 528 00:49:31,490.55 --> 00:49:42,150.55 I knew we'd be talking about blood flow because that's one of the things that, that as the women especially as they go through menopause you're talking about, a whole change in hormones and all of a sudden now. 529 00:49:42,645.55 --> 00:49:56,485.55 We really need to remind ourself now, it is really important to get that peripheral blood flow and lymph drainage and that's something that was never intended for hand master plus it only came when we had reports of, my elbow's feeling better, but I'm sleeping better. 530 00:49:56,605.55 --> 00:49:59,105.55 I'm like that's, I didn't understand it. 531 00:49:59,105.55 --> 00:50:01,85.55 I thought that just your elbow pain's gone. 532 00:50:01,895.55 --> 00:50:03,335.55 You have one less stress. 533 00:50:03,725.55 --> 00:50:06,215.55 So now you're probably just feeling better. 534 00:50:06,215.55 --> 00:50:08,925.55 But I again, we do a lot of work with the lymph. 535 00:50:09,645.55 --> 00:50:14,595.55 I think just getting the blood flow to the extremities, seeing these studies about life longevity and hand strength. 536 00:50:15,105.55 --> 00:50:17,115.55 Really woke me up to look at the lymph system. 537 00:50:17,235.55 --> 00:50:18,530.55 Yeah it all makes sense. 538 00:50:18,560.55 --> 00:50:25,130.55 You don't really sit down and think about it, but when, what you're talking about though, all makes sense. 539 00:50:25,560.55 --> 00:50:25,620.55 Yeah. 540 00:50:25,620.55 --> 00:50:30,510.55 In terms of why their health would improve, why their, they would sleep better. 541 00:50:30,880.55 --> 00:50:33,680.55 I would imagine their cardiac output is even better. 542 00:50:33,830.55 --> 00:50:36,540.55 Anytime you do anything with any kind of movement, yeah. 543 00:50:36,540.55 --> 00:50:39,695.55 You're gonna see cardiac output improve and what you're trying to do. 544 00:50:39,750.55 --> 00:50:44,350.55 I just believe that, we just talk I used to talk to my patients all the time about it be active. 545 00:50:44,690.55 --> 00:50:50,860.55 Don't look for, it's gotta be like, a one hour workout that you, you might not do and you might put off. 546 00:50:50,950.55 --> 00:50:56,50.55 'cause two just, and now I'm in the office a lot and my wife even says a lot like, you go, let's go out and go for a walk. 547 00:50:56,380.55 --> 00:51:03,270.55 And she's she's, and it's just about moving, but, we spend so much time educating on people, you, we can't forget ourselves that we've gotta. 548 00:51:03,690.55 --> 00:51:05,70.55 Participate in these things too. 549 00:51:05,70.55 --> 00:51:06,630.55 But it's all about movement. 550 00:51:07,80.55 --> 00:51:15,710.55 It's all about simple motions that are proper motions for our body and allowing our body to adapt how they will. 551 00:51:15,870.55 --> 00:51:27,660.55 And yeah, when you bring, the training is great for your grip training is grip for your function, but it's that thing about, making sure that your bo your brain doesn't forget the rest of your whole body needs to stay healthy. 552 00:51:28,170.55 --> 00:51:28,530.55 Yeah. 553 00:51:28,530.55 --> 00:51:28,531.55 Yeah. 554 00:51:29,520.55 --> 00:51:31,830.55 That it, I've learned a lot from you, honestly. 555 00:51:31,830.55 --> 00:51:33,750.55 I've learned a lot from this podcast. 556 00:51:33,750.55 --> 00:51:37,410.55 I think the main thing that, that we can pass on to your audience. 557 00:51:37,920.55 --> 00:51:48,250.55 Is and yourself, like a practitioners are just as guilty of a lot of this stuff is that the grip isn't the grip involves many joints and many structures. 558 00:51:48,250.55 --> 00:51:52,370.55 So these 27 muscles they originate they attach many places. 559 00:51:52,820.55 --> 00:52:03,920.55 So when you say, wow, who cares about grip? What if I get a little grip imbalance that could affect your finger, could affect your thumb, could affect your wrist, could affect your carpal tunnel, your forearm, your elbow. 560 00:52:04,370.55 --> 00:52:10,970.55 We've got a bunch of tiny little, there's a cubital tunnel syndrome that we have a lot of problems with when we get into repetitive gripping radial tunnel. 561 00:52:11,630.55 --> 00:52:13,340.55 There's all these structures. 562 00:52:13,940.55 --> 00:52:17,990.55 And for the life of me, I don't know how we have never looked at it. 563 00:52:17,990.55 --> 00:52:19,370.55 'cause that's what I saw on tour. 564 00:52:19,400.55 --> 00:52:20,480.55 When I was out on tour. 565 00:52:20,750.55 --> 00:52:25,640.55 People would come to me and they'd say I've got this cubital this problem over here, and it might be a cubital tunnel problem. 566 00:52:25,640.55 --> 00:52:30,710.55 And I'd look and I'd go how do you grip? And they'd go, I've got this racketball, or I've, or I don't do anything. 567 00:52:30,725.55 --> 00:52:37,625.55 But if mostly they would be, most of these high level golfers were training with something, they'd have a spring loaded or a racket ball. 568 00:52:38,75.55 --> 00:52:43,815.55 And I would say what do you do for the muscles that open your hand? And they would look at me like, I, I was from Mars. 569 00:52:44,415.55 --> 00:52:52,420.55 They would say, what do you muscles that open your hand? What are you talking about? So that's the biggest thing I could say is that the li the blood flow and the lymph drainage thing is one. 570 00:52:52,480.55 --> 00:52:55,110.55 One I want to tell everybody, just exercise this area. 571 00:52:55,110.55 --> 00:52:59,760.55 You stay, it's great for your health and it's great for your longevity and great for your performance. 572 00:53:00,450.55 --> 00:53:07,20.55 But the biggest thing I could say mechanically is when you get a grip imbalance, it can affect a whole bunch of joints. 573 00:53:07,140.55 --> 00:53:12,420.55 So the reason I say that to you, Soma, is that say somebody goes and they have a carpal tunnel. 574 00:53:12,470.55 --> 00:53:14,750.55 I got my carpal tunnel surgery now everything's good. 575 00:53:15,120.55 --> 00:53:19,530.55 No, that probably means your fingers and your thumb, your hand. 576 00:53:19,845.55 --> 00:53:23,205.55 Your wrist, your forearm and your elbow are also imbalanced. 577 00:53:23,205.55 --> 00:53:28,845.55 That just happened to be the weak link of that whole kinetic chain, right? So we say, that's just my alo. 578 00:53:28,905.55 --> 00:53:29,775.55 No, probably not. 579 00:53:30,255.55 --> 00:53:32,385.55 Probably it's other things. 580 00:53:32,385.55 --> 00:53:38,55.55 And then all of a sudden, but we don't identify it to a general repetitive gripping imbalance. 581 00:53:38,505.55 --> 00:53:47,595.55 But once you see it, and especially once you see professional golfers that's all they're doing, and especially mini tour where they're working like crazy to try to get to a higher level. 582 00:53:48,435.55 --> 00:53:54,795.55 Do you see repetitive gripping injuries? And it could be a finger, it could be a carpal tunnel, it could be a wrist, could be an elbow. 583 00:53:55,245.55 --> 00:53:58,245.55 But it's all the same basic cause. 584 00:53:58,785.55 --> 00:54:01,515.55 Does that make sense? And I think that's one thing I'd like people to know is. 585 00:54:02,760.55 --> 00:54:04,50.55 This is not a small area. 586 00:54:04,380.55 --> 00:54:11,290.55 If you have a repetitive grip imbalance, it it, you've got imbalances at a lot of joints and a lot of structures and Yes, no, absolutely. 587 00:54:11,530.55 --> 00:54:15,520.55 I, and I've only come to realize this just from that one injury. 588 00:54:16,510.55 --> 00:54:16,660.55 Yes. 589 00:54:16,665.55 --> 00:54:19,870.55 That, that there's, it's not just the elbow now at this point. 590 00:54:20,200.55 --> 00:54:25,330.55 It's all sorts of, imbalances that I, and remember Soma, like again, you change this habit. 591 00:54:25,330.55 --> 00:54:32,200.55 We you start doing, and even before we like, we'll get you set up with some pro with some product to make sure you get to test it and feel it for yourself. 592 00:54:32,200.55 --> 00:54:33,130.55 And now you've learned. 593 00:54:33,760.55 --> 00:54:47,60.55 And that's the thing as a practitioner once you feel it and you understand it and you see it, and we've talked about it for a while, then you can now you're educated about it and say, wait a minute now you probably know more about grip than any practitioner in your area. 594 00:54:47,210.55 --> 00:54:49,880.55 And you can say, okay, now here's why you do it this way, Mr. 595 00:54:49,880.55 --> 00:54:50,315.55 And Mrs. 596 00:54:50,315.55 --> 00:54:51,200.55 Jones, whatever. 597 00:54:51,750.55 --> 00:54:57,450.55 But that's one of the things is you have to train it through its full range of motion and you start there. 598 00:54:57,500.55 --> 00:55:03,500.55 And that's something unfortunately, I wish, whenever that happened 20 years ago, I wouldn't have known about this. 599 00:55:03,740.55 --> 00:55:06,200.55 So now we know about it. 600 00:55:06,200.55 --> 00:55:09,50.55 And so if this happens to somebody else, that's always the nice thing. 601 00:55:09,50.55 --> 00:55:12,675.55 If something happens to us and we dig and we learn, now we can pass it on to others. 602 00:55:12,675.55 --> 00:55:23,355.55 And that might be in the same situation, but that should have been something that once you could move your hand again, you start doing this full range of motion training and then simple stuff every day. 603 00:55:23,745.55 --> 00:55:28,125.55 And your mechanics would be completely different to this day, but it's never too late. 604 00:55:28,205.55 --> 00:55:31,595.55 You gotta start doing what you can do and seeing where you can go with it. 605 00:55:32,95.55 --> 00:55:35,605.55 If I was in Canada, I would definitely come and see you as a patient. 606 00:55:35,825.55 --> 00:55:40,745.55 But since I'm not, and since a lot of my listeners are from actually all around the world. 607 00:55:41,105.55 --> 00:55:41,255.55 Yeah. 608 00:55:41,260.55 --> 00:55:50,885.55 Where can we find you and what are your handles on social media and your websites? Yeah, the best place to go is probably doc zach.com. 609 00:55:50,885.55 --> 00:55:54,605.55 It's D-O-C-Z-A c.com 610 00:55:55,25.55 --> 00:55:58,205.55 for hand master plus they can go to hand master plus.com. 611 00:55:58,625.55 --> 00:56:02,975.55 And it's available in a number of ways now, even around the world, to get a hold of it. 612 00:56:03,575.55 --> 00:56:07,535.55 If anybody has questions, I never mind the questions like we're talking about. 613 00:56:07,535.55 --> 00:56:12,275.55 This is the way to, that we educate people about the importance of this area. 614 00:56:12,585.55 --> 00:56:16,125.55 They can get ahold of me at info@docsact.com 615 00:56:16,485.55 --> 00:56:20,275.55 and any question goes to me and I'll make sure I get back to them. 616 00:56:20,875.55 --> 00:56:21,505.55 Excellent. 617 00:56:21,505.55 --> 00:56:24,865.55 Thank you so much for joining me on my podcast today. 618 00:56:24,865.55 --> 00:56:37,725.55 I can't wait to actually produce this and, publish it so that people can actually listen to it and learn about their bodies and understand how important the grip is to their health. 619 00:56:38,565.55 --> 00:56:39,495.55 Yeah, that's well said. 620 00:56:39,495.55 --> 00:56:42,305.55 I think that's the thing is your grip is a big part of your body. 621 00:56:42,335.55 --> 00:56:43,385.55 Let's not forget about it. 622 00:56:43,385.55 --> 00:56:44,315.55 It is important. 623 00:56:44,365.55 --> 00:56:46,795.55 And thanks to you, we get, get this out to lots of people. 624 00:56:46,795.55 --> 00:56:48,685.55 That's all we have to do is educate people. 625 00:56:48,685.55 --> 00:56:51,815.55 It is a sensible area and we've made it pretty easy. 626 00:56:53,385.55 --> 00:56:57,485.55 And don't forget to like, share and review my podcast. 627 00:56:58,35.55 --> 00:57:01,825.55 Remember, it's always ladies first on Soma Says. 628 00:57:02,125.55 --> 00:57:05,785.55 Let's make a difference one conversation at a time.

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