Navigating the Storm: Women’s Health and Menopause Demystified

In this powerful episode of Soma Says, Dr. Soma sits down with Stormy Quinn, author of The Menopause Decoder: The Ultimate Men’s Guide to Understanding and Supporting His Partner Through Change. Through a raw and personal journey, Stormy shares her struggles, revelations, and the passion that led her to write a book that supports both women and their partners during perimenopause and menopause.

Together, they dive into the real-life impact of hormonal shifts on sleep, nutrition, mood, and relationships—and what women can actually do about it. This conversation is filled with relatable insights, practical wellness tips, and a refreshing dose of humor and honesty.

Key Takeaways:

• What Stormy wishes every woman knew about perimenopause

• The role of weight training and protein during midlife

• How to build open communication with partners and friends

• The importance of persistence when seeking medical help

• Simple mindset shifts that can change your wellness journey

⏱️ Episode Timeline:

00:00 — Introduction and Disclaimer 01:08 — Meet Stormy Quinn: Author of The Menopause Decoder 02:05 — Stormy's Personal Journey and Motivation for the Book 04:13 — Understanding Perimenopause and Menopause: The Missing Info 06:31 — Common Challenges and Misconceptions Women Face 09:19 — The Importance of Communication and Partner Support 19:08 — Midlife Wellness: Mindset, Movement, and Nutrition 24:39 — How Sleep and Hormones Interact in Perimenopause 27:29 — Breaking the Silence: Open Conversations and Generational Gaps 35:32 — Final Thoughts and Resources for Women and Their Support Circles

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Episode Transcript

(00:05):
Hi, this is Dr.
Soma.
Just a disclaimer, this podcast is for informational purposes only and isn't intended as medical advice.
Always consult with your doctor before making any changes to your diet, exercise, or health regimen.
Let's go to the show. 6 00:01:02,887.687 --> 00:01:08,347.687 Welcome back to Soma Says, the podcast, where modern women get the real talk on midlife wellness. 7 00:01:08,437.687 --> 00:01:17,317.687 Today we're joined by Stormy Quinn, author of The Menopause Decoder, the Ultimate Men's Guide to Understanding and Supporting his Partner through Change. 8 00:01:17,587.687 --> 00:01:28,537.687 Stormy's work is born from her own experience, waking up one night Googling why she felt like she was going crazy and realizing she was in perimenopause through that journey. 9 00:01:28,877.687 --> 00:01:34,397.687 She discovered that what's missing isn't just information, it's honesty and connection. 10 00:01:34,727.687 --> 00:01:36,167.687 Her book isn't clinical. 11 00:01:36,377.687 --> 00:01:42,707.687 It's raw, relatable, and designed for partners and women who want to go through this together, not alone. 12 00:01:43,97.687 --> 00:01:52,787.687 In today's episode, we'll explore simple, meaningful ways to improve your sleep, nourish your body, and communicate with the people who matter most. 13 00:01:53,27.687 --> 00:01:53,957.687 Let's dive in. 14 00:01:56,201.857 --> 00:01:58,721.857 I wanted to welcome you to my podcast. 15 00:01:59,331.857 --> 00:02:04,141.857 I wanted to let you introduce yourself and then, we can continue our chat. 16 00:02:05,141.857 --> 00:02:06,821.857 My name is Stormy Quinn. 17 00:02:06,826.857 --> 00:02:11,736.857 I'm over here in Canada at this given time I. 18 00:02:12,156.857 --> 00:02:14,686.857 Did not, set out to write a book. 19 00:02:14,686.857 --> 00:02:28,541.857 To be honest, this is not my intended life journey, but it just so happened that, as I went along this journey that it almost, I felt compelled to go down this path and right this book for everyone. 20 00:02:28,901.857 --> 00:02:31,351.857 So that's a little bit in a nutshell of. 21 00:02:31,391.857 --> 00:02:53,381.857 How we got to the book I'm very much a proponent for women's health and, supplementation for women and just trying to get information out there, especially during this chaotic phase of a woman's life where everything that we found to work previously just seems to, completely stopped working. 22 00:02:53,541.857 --> 00:03:03,521.857 Where do you start and pick up those pieces and where do you go from there? that's my journey now this is my calling of trying to sort that out and try to help women do that for themselves. 23 00:03:03,621.857 --> 00:03:09,141.857 So tell us what, before you wrote this book her book is called The Menopause Decoder, which we'll talk about. 24 00:03:09,511.857 --> 00:03:12,316.857 What were you doing? Yeah. 25 00:03:12,436.857 --> 00:03:14,656.857 So I have a company, it's called Venous Vitality. 26 00:03:15,566.857 --> 00:03:21,846.857 Ultimately our motivation is try to solve those problems in which, women were otherwise told. 27 00:03:22,506.857 --> 00:03:43,426.857 It is just part of being a woman, right? With the perimenopause, the menopause, PMS, cramps, PCOS endometriosis, the other thing that we have brought to the market is these little patches that you can, they're adhesive patches, And so you just place it on your abdomen, your lower back, during those times of the month where you just are really uncomfortable, but, life goes on, you have responsibilities. 28 00:03:43,886.857 --> 00:03:51,806.857 So we're just in that phase of trying to bring things to life that's gonna just help women through every stage of life. 29 00:03:51,806.857 --> 00:04:03,106.857 So prior to writing the book, that's where I found myself keeping busy most of the time And trying to come up with these ideas and solutions and, just seeing problem areas for women and trying to offer some kind of help. 30 00:04:04,66.857 --> 00:04:10,496.857 So you were already in the process of helping women with the various supplements that you produce. 31 00:04:10,736.857 --> 00:04:12,446.857 So tell us about your. 32 00:04:13,751.857 --> 00:04:23,651.857 Journey of perimenopause and what your experience has been and what led you to write the book that came out in May, I believe. 33 00:04:23,651.857 --> 00:04:24,101.857 Yes. 34 00:04:24,591.857 --> 00:04:24,621.857 Okay. 35 00:04:24,701.857 --> 00:04:27,411.857 It was launched in May, finally got it off the ground. 36 00:04:27,411.857 --> 00:04:33,831.857 But ultimately what led to the book was that I was just trying to figure it out myself. 37 00:04:33,831.857 --> 00:04:38,251.857 What the heck was happening to my body? I went from one day feeling incredibly. 38 00:04:38,461.857 --> 00:04:44,161.857 Focused and sharp and on the ball and strong to like incredibly exhausted. 39 00:04:44,301.857 --> 00:04:50,426.857 And, very short with my friends, my family and just feeling bloated for no reason. 40 00:04:50,426.857 --> 00:04:54,666.857 It was just like, you take a look at everything to see if there was any anomalies. 41 00:04:54,666.857 --> 00:04:59,916.857 Things have changed and I didn't change anything but it, it was evident that there was something in me that just felt. 42 00:05:00,466.857 --> 00:05:00,586.857 Yeah. 43 00:05:00,636.857 --> 00:05:09,406.857 I'm sure any woman who's going through this there's that moment where a switch goes off You just know something is not right. 44 00:05:09,486.857 --> 00:05:16,56.857 And the worst part about it all is that nobody could give me a straight answer as to what was going on. 45 00:05:16,66.857 --> 00:05:19,6.857 my labs were coming back normal, all my blood tests. 46 00:05:19,286.857 --> 00:05:27,426.857 I almost felt like I was getting dismissed and, along this path, just felt like I was losing my grip on reality because it was just hitting me so hard. 47 00:05:27,476.857 --> 00:05:51,816.857 And that's what resulted in the menopause decoder because I just didn't think the resources were out there and I didn't want other women to have to try to figure it out, claw their way through this confusion that I was experiencing and from the people I've spoken to since the release so many people can resonate with the story It's just an almost an unspoken phase of a woman's life. 48 00:05:51,816.857 --> 00:05:58,536.857 Like you'd go 36, 38 years in your life, never hearing about it. 49 00:05:59,46.857 --> 00:06:12,161.857 And do you mind asking me how long ago this was that you started experiencing it? How old you were? And I would probably say it was probably 38 or so, and that to me was shocking. 50 00:06:12,166.857 --> 00:06:12,346.857 Yeah. 51 00:06:12,351.857 --> 00:06:13,251.857 shocking. 52 00:06:13,431.857 --> 00:06:13,671.857 Yeah. 53 00:06:13,731.857 --> 00:06:20,571.857 Because menopause, you talk about that to anybody, you're like, ah, that's a woman in her fifties, has a few hot flashes, maybe. 54 00:06:20,771.857 --> 00:06:26,561.857 But truly it can, it happens through the research I did as early as mid thirties. 55 00:06:26,611.857 --> 00:06:28,711.857 You can start feeling this different. 56 00:06:28,716.857 --> 00:06:31,26.857 Way of life that changes everything as you knew it. 57 00:06:31,716.857 --> 00:06:48,266.857 Yeah, no it's actually, and it's so difficult to diagnose because you're often, and especially if you're working and you have a family and you're, taking care of other things a lot of this kind of inter meshes with. 58 00:06:48,571.857 --> 00:07:02,81.857 So just feeling tired could be from all of that and not so much hot flashes and night sweats, but feeling irritable and, feeling cranky and not being able to sleep, with life stressors. 59 00:07:02,131.857 --> 00:07:17,601.857 Yeah, I often find that you have to really with my patients, at least I have to really know them well and say, this is, it sounds like this is different from what we've talked about before that this may be perimenopause. 60 00:07:18,31.857 --> 00:07:26,741.857 I can share with you, I, when I'm currently 53 but when I was in my late thirties, that's when. 61 00:07:27,271.857 --> 00:07:40,31.857 And I didn't even realize it that I, I started experiencing perimenopause and I think I'm atypical in that that stretch has lasted even up until now where menopause. 62 00:07:40,91.857 --> 00:07:40,691.857 Oh, goodness. 63 00:07:41,351.857 --> 00:07:41,741.857 Yes. 64 00:07:41,831.857 --> 00:07:48,951.857 I know when I tell some of my patients, they're like, oh my God, it has it, it has its good things and it has its bad things. 65 00:07:48,951.857 --> 00:07:49,731.857 But yeah. 66 00:07:49,731.857 --> 00:07:53,921.857 Some of the things that I've been through gosh, even as a doctor, it. 67 00:07:54,216.857 --> 00:08:00,946.857 Took me a lot of my own time and seeing various doctors to figure out what the remedy should be. 68 00:08:00,946.857 --> 00:08:05,605.857 So no one person, no one woman, experiences the same thing. 69 00:08:05,975.857 --> 00:08:12,275.857 So for me, out of nowhere, despite the same things I was eating my same workout routine, you got it. 70 00:08:13,145.857 --> 00:08:17,765.857 I was like, boom, 10 pounds, like out of nowhere. 71 00:08:18,335.857 --> 00:08:35,105.857 And I was like at that time I had a totally different lifestyle living the Manhattan life and I was working out in the morning, eating my protein shakes, all sorts of stuff, and out of nowhere, 10 pounds and I was like, okay, this is not, this is not usual for me. 72 00:08:35,105.857 --> 00:08:40,245.857 And I had a very difficult time losing weight once I put it on. 73 00:08:40,250.857 --> 00:08:41,10.857 And I. 74 00:08:41,250.857 --> 00:08:55,960.857 So that was for me, and I had no understanding that's what was going on, Even as a doctor, even as a doctor, it took me a long time to reflect back on that and say, you know what? I think that's what was happening to my body. 75 00:08:56,320.857 --> 00:09:02,830.857 And then, yeah, so it looks different for everyone and it's difficult to tease apart at times. 76 00:09:02,830.857 --> 00:09:19,370.857 And honestly, I don't think I had at that time a doctor who, was able to or maybe I wasn't visiting them enough to be able to say, okay, this is, I think this is what's going on with you, obviously a lot of women go through this, and it looks so different for everyone. 77 00:09:19,770.857 --> 00:09:29,95.857 What inspired you to write the book? I think it all came down to almost necessity there. 78 00:09:29,95.857 --> 00:09:31,300.857 There was a few things happening, like everything you described. 79 00:09:32,150.857 --> 00:09:39,800.857 Just not really knowing, but also knowing there was something wrong with you, but not being able to put your finger on it was one thing. 80 00:09:39,800.857 --> 00:09:48,270.857 And that extra layer of exhaustion you're feeling and that compounds into strain on, your just wellbeing. 81 00:09:48,480.857 --> 00:09:51,600.857 But also it also cascades into those relationships. 82 00:09:51,780.857 --> 00:09:51,930.857 Yeah. 83 00:09:52,30.857 --> 00:09:55,840.857 Your husband, your significant other, your friend, your children, like you name it. 84 00:09:56,560.857 --> 00:09:59,980.857 You can try to shield yourself from Yeah. 85 00:10:00,30.857 --> 00:10:02,140.857 Allowing that to, take over. 86 00:10:02,410.857 --> 00:10:10,400.857 But the reality is like you just come to a breaking point and it all just floods out and it's just not, I. 87 00:10:11,285.857 --> 00:10:18,955.857 It wasn't I think, reasonable for me to expect my significant other to know how to handle me, because things have changed so drastically at that point. 88 00:10:18,955.857 --> 00:10:22,475.857 And the conversations were very, careful. 89 00:10:22,475.857 --> 00:10:25,735.857 I'll say because you just didn't know what the trigger was for the day and Right. 90 00:10:25,795.857 --> 00:10:36,510.857 And, I noticed and there was just becoming such a disconnect with my husband, who, I've known forever and a day and I didn't feel like the same person and he wasn't sure how to talk to me at this point. 91 00:10:36,510.857 --> 00:10:47,930.857 And I think all of this kind of coming to a headway made me realize, if another person found themselves in this position, what would they do? What resources are out there? And I just couldn't find it. 92 00:10:48,360.857 --> 00:10:57,875.857 And so absent of having anything to lean on myself, I thought, if it helps one person navigate this journey, to me, that's a victory. 93 00:10:58,515.857 --> 00:11:03,615.857 So just to put it out there and hopefully allow that to help somebody else. 94 00:11:03,625.857 --> 00:11:05,545.857 But that's the motivation behind it. 95 00:11:05,885.857 --> 00:11:06,815.857 I could have. 96 00:11:07,315.857 --> 00:11:15,115.857 Done better and then try to approach other doctors as a patient, not as a doctor to have those discussions. 97 00:11:15,115.857 --> 00:11:21,625.857 But I think I was just so wrapped up in the confusion of what was going on with myself. 98 00:11:21,665.857 --> 00:11:29,845.857 I was still menstruating regularly and, I wasn't having any other, as far as I could tell any other issues going on. 99 00:11:29,845.857 --> 00:11:31,75.857 So for me, I just. 100 00:11:31,75.857 --> 00:11:32,325.857 Focused on the weight. 101 00:11:32,705.857 --> 00:11:36,180.857 But I think there were other things I just didn't realize it. 102 00:11:36,485.857 --> 00:11:37,235.857 At the time. 103 00:11:37,845.857 --> 00:11:38,625.857 Not at all. 104 00:11:38,665.857 --> 00:11:46,305.857 Yeah, I think just everything you've been saying about the symptoms not really being able to identify oh, goodness sake, like it's so different for every woman. 105 00:11:46,305.857 --> 00:11:49,965.857 You cannot say if you have this dismiss you were in, period. 106 00:11:50,515.857 --> 00:11:52,15.857 the challenge, right? Yeah. 107 00:11:52,355.857 --> 00:12:09,385.857 What I am liking is that I think there are doctors, and also people Tamsin Fial and Mary Claire Haver and a whole bunch of other women who are coming out and, saying we should be using vaginal estrogen regardless of how old you are. 108 00:12:09,385.857 --> 00:12:12,930.857 Meaning, obviously not when you're 30, but, when you're approaching, that's. 109 00:12:12,955.857 --> 00:12:26,365.857 Stage that should be used regularly because that can really help with the thinning of the vaginal area as well as, preventing other things like incontinence and all sorts of stuff from happening. 110 00:12:26,605.857 --> 00:12:33,795.857 So I think those conversations are happening more and there's been much more research regarding at least topical estrogen. 111 00:12:34,275.857 --> 00:12:36,360.857 But obviously I think one of the things that. 112 00:12:36,705.857 --> 00:12:49,125.857 We're not talking about or haven't so yet, is that there, up until now, that there's been a lack of research that really focuses on this stuff and hopefully in the years to come. 113 00:12:49,285.857 --> 00:12:51,415.857 We'll catch up on, on all of that. 114 00:12:51,895.857 --> 00:13:04,20.857 So the title of your book it's brilliant, right? How did you decide to name it the menopause decoder? So ultimately I just wanted to cut through the noise. 115 00:13:04,20.857 --> 00:13:07,230.857 Like one thing you probably if you read the book, you understand about me. 116 00:13:07,230.857 --> 00:13:13,875.857 I try to make it very raw to the point I think every woman comes to this point in your life where we cut out the nonsense. 117 00:13:14,385.857 --> 00:13:16,545.857 There's just no time or room for that. 118 00:13:17,425.857 --> 00:13:26,215.857 So it really means like taking all this overwhelming, conflicting information and just translating it into something. 119 00:13:26,265.857 --> 00:13:28,35.857 That actually makes sense. 120 00:13:28,35.857 --> 00:13:37,645.857 So it's not like high level textbook, there's some descriptions of understanding what's happening to your body, but it's on a level of, everyday conversation. 121 00:13:38,440.857 --> 00:13:45,190.857 And it, that's what I think is the essence of the book is just to make sense, real talk about what's going on. 122 00:13:45,320.857 --> 00:13:59,260.857 Does your book touch on how family members specifically significant others can navigate around this time and help the person who's going through menopause or perimenopause? Oh, most definitely. 123 00:13:59,310.857 --> 00:14:15,555.857 This is truly something every significant other needs in their tool belt because this is going to help translate, what is going on so you can better understand like with knowledge comes power, Also give them the position of, they wanna step up, they wanna help, they just don't know how. 124 00:14:15,555.857 --> 00:14:19,365.857 So this allows 'em to do so by asking the right questions. 125 00:14:19,395.857 --> 00:14:22,755.857 And coming at the issue from the right perspective. 126 00:14:22,755.857 --> 00:14:27,885.857 we don't need somebody to come in and try to fix us or tell us that, oh, you're just having a bad day. 127 00:14:28,65.857 --> 00:14:29,85.857 You're just stressed out. 128 00:14:29,865.857 --> 00:14:31,695.857 Hey, no, it's more than that. 129 00:14:31,890.857 --> 00:14:32,90.857 Yes. 130 00:14:32,90.857 --> 00:14:33,435.857 At this stage it's more than that. 131 00:14:33,585.857 --> 00:14:33,855.857 Yeah. 132 00:14:33,885.857 --> 00:14:36,455.857 So it's opening up the dialogue to have. 133 00:14:36,875.857 --> 00:14:40,295.857 Those heart to heart conversations of really what's going on. 134 00:14:41,435.857 --> 00:14:51,525.857 I often find though, that you need a girlfriend to understand Yeah, a girlfriend in that same kind of age group. 135 00:14:51,605.857 --> 00:15:10,165.857 They don't have to be entirely in the same age that you are, but you often need a girlfriend who's going through it, who understands, right? as great as they are, right? They haven't been through men, that is the trials and tribulations that we go through their puberty is different than our puberty. 136 00:15:10,165.857 --> 00:15:18,335.857 And so I'm not saying that they don't have things, hurdles to get through, but yet this stage of life, right? It's a very tricky one. 137 00:15:18,705.857 --> 00:15:19,825.857 But as you were. 138 00:15:19,825.857 --> 00:15:28,815.857 Saying that it's important, right? For them to be able to at least maybe not say the wrong thing. 139 00:15:30,195.857 --> 00:15:30,585.857 Yeah. 140 00:15:31,225.857 --> 00:15:32,185.857 turn very quickly. 141 00:15:33,145.857 --> 00:15:43,925.857 thinking back on, sitcoms and, jokes and things that I've seen and read and heard about women in menopause what do you think, are the things that. 142 00:15:44,560.857 --> 00:15:50,770.857 Leave women feeling unheard or mocked or gaslit. 143 00:15:50,850.857 --> 00:15:58,350.857 ultimately the premise that this is just a normal part of aging and, get over it. 144 00:15:58,850.857 --> 00:16:03,200.857 That to me, I think is the most damaging for any woman. 145 00:16:04,575.857 --> 00:16:08,245.857 Because it really doesn't give them any compass to work with. 146 00:16:08,455.857 --> 00:16:13,675.857 Just sucking it up and trying to carry on normally is so damning. 147 00:16:13,725.857 --> 00:16:24,585.857 Menopause in itself, yeah, we know it's normal, but struggling through it really doesn't have to be, and that I think needs to be the clear message. 148 00:16:24,850.857 --> 00:16:27,250.857 women out there who are feeling like they're getting gaslit. 149 00:16:27,250.857 --> 00:16:28,630.857 You don't have to deal with this. 150 00:16:28,680.857 --> 00:16:33,210.857 You just may have to find that right person who's willing to talk to you and help you. 151 00:16:33,660.857 --> 00:16:34,620.857 Help yourself. 152 00:16:35,100.857 --> 00:16:35,400.857 Yeah. 153 00:16:35,400.857 --> 00:16:38,220.857 And that in itself, like just, people I've spoken to seems. 154 00:16:38,520.857 --> 00:16:41,70.857 To be a struggle, but don't give up. 155 00:16:41,70.857 --> 00:16:46,410.857 You deserve to get the help you need because this is not an easy stage of life. 156 00:16:46,460.857 --> 00:16:49,560.857 And it has nothing to do with being lazy or, unmotivated. 157 00:16:49,560.857 --> 00:16:51,150.857 It's just this is nature. 158 00:16:52,150.857 --> 00:16:52,151.857 Yeah. 159 00:16:52,810.857 --> 00:17:15,730.857 So ultimately how, you know Where did you go to get the help that you needed? And was it a trial? Did you have to do many iterations before you found the right person or people? I'm super fortunate that my doctor is one that just is very open-minded and I recognize that not everybody has that privilege. 160 00:17:15,760.857 --> 00:17:17,255.857 'cause I can be completely frank and. 161 00:17:17,840.857 --> 00:17:20,420.857 Say what? I think he'll test me and he'll see me in way. 162 00:17:20,690.857 --> 00:17:28,75.857 So absent of that though I think it's just a matter of keep going. 163 00:17:28,345.857 --> 00:17:29,665.857 You might get turned down. 164 00:17:30,115.857 --> 00:17:41,795.857 You need to keep going to find a solution 'cause there's no way you should have to struggle and whatever that means to anybody if just keep going and find that person who's willing to listen to you. 165 00:17:42,885.857 --> 00:17:50,585.857 So how did you help structure the chapters in your book? what chapter was the most meaningful for you? Yeah. 166 00:17:50,585.857 --> 00:17:53,945.857 Everything I wrote was really just based off of us. 167 00:17:55,190.857 --> 00:17:59,300.857 Struck ton of reflection and experience and research. 168 00:17:59,695.857 --> 00:18:13,185.857 And that's from my observation anyways, at the time of writing it I felt this was the most meaningful way to approach it, right? for me, the hardest part was without a doubt the intimacy part. 169 00:18:13,855.857 --> 00:18:15,355.857 There's so much shame. 170 00:18:16,525.857 --> 00:18:25,385.857 Tied to having a low libido, dryness, being disconnected from your partner and, the resultant of your relationship struggling. 171 00:18:25,385.857 --> 00:18:37,660.857 I think to be honest about that was, putting a lot out there because it, speaking from experience, because I know I'm not the only one who's experiencing this. 172 00:18:38,590.857 --> 00:18:39,850.857 This gap in their life. 173 00:18:39,850.857 --> 00:18:44,770.857 And this is not something that we asked for, it's just something we have to deal with. 174 00:18:45,380.857 --> 00:18:50,270.857 I knew I wasn't alone and I just want to make sure, somebody was speaking on their behalf. 175 00:18:51,795.857 --> 00:18:55,155.857 Yeah I think there's so much shame and, secrecy. 176 00:18:55,155.857 --> 00:18:56,475.857 I think that's changing a bit. 177 00:18:56,475.857 --> 00:19:07,885.857 I think there's obviously much more happening and it's being spoken about in media and there are more podcasts where women are coming out and talking about themselves and their experiences. 178 00:19:08,315.857 --> 00:19:13,105.857 You talk about mindset shifts movement and nutrition. 179 00:19:13,695.857 --> 00:19:29,965.857 How are these things, how do these things help and why are they so important for women who are in midlife incredibly important to what you were saying earlier, right? You put on 10 pounds outta nowhere, like why does that happen? Yeah. 180 00:19:30,55.857 --> 00:19:36,445.857 It's, the mind shift is realizing that everything up until that point is basically invalid. 181 00:19:37,610.857 --> 00:19:42,705.857 And now, you've worked this whole entire time in your life to figure out what works for your body. 182 00:19:42,765.857 --> 00:19:44,145.857 And then it changes. 183 00:19:44,235.857 --> 00:19:46,485.857 It changes, right? Like big time. 184 00:19:46,755.857 --> 00:19:55,330.857 Maybe we're somebody who did a lot of cardio in your life because we were ingrained to believe that's how you burn off the calories and calories out mentality. 185 00:19:55,335.857 --> 00:19:55,485.857 Yep. 186 00:19:55,600.857 --> 00:19:58,267.857 you peck at your food throughout the day, maybe. 187 00:19:58,510.857 --> 00:20:05,380.857 So the one thing that is so important and I'm sure you would agree with this, is the protein. 188 00:20:05,560.857 --> 00:20:05,890.857 Yeah. 189 00:20:05,890.857 --> 00:20:06,790.857 The protein. 190 00:20:06,910.857 --> 00:20:09,460.857 You need that every single meal. 191 00:20:09,520.857 --> 00:20:17,770.857 And if you're not weight training, and I'm not talking about, getting bulked up, you're simply just wanting to exercise those muscles. 192 00:20:17,770.857 --> 00:20:19,270.857 They know that you still need them. 193 00:20:20,230.857 --> 00:20:20,290.857 Yeah. 194 00:20:20,290.857 --> 00:20:21,670.857 At the end of the day, right? Yeah. 195 00:20:21,850.857 --> 00:20:22,180.857 Yeah. 196 00:20:22,685.857 --> 00:20:27,245.857 And so they don't deteriorate with all the, changing of your hormones and stuff like that. 197 00:20:27,245.857 --> 00:20:28,335.857 So that is huge. 198 00:20:28,335.857 --> 00:20:34,195.857 Weight training, the protein intake taking walks as, as basic as that sound. 199 00:20:34,255.857 --> 00:20:38,705.857 Walking, what I read anyway, it's resets the nervous system. 200 00:20:38,755.857 --> 00:20:39,265.857 no, it does. 201 00:20:39,665.857 --> 00:20:40,625.857 Back your cycle. 202 00:20:41,205.857 --> 00:20:43,65.857 It's gonna be irregular all over the place. 203 00:20:43,65.857 --> 00:20:50,640.857 now you're trying to figure out, the highs and lows and how you react during those times to put you in power of what's going on. 204 00:20:52,490.857 --> 00:20:57,95.857 Why do you think that women in, and I, obviously I was one of them even though I'm a doctor. 205 00:20:57,575.857 --> 00:21:08,150.857 what has led to women feeling so confused? Where, my patients come in for physicals. 206 00:21:08,510.857 --> 00:21:12,650.857 I try to be proactive and say, okay, these are the things to watch out for. 207 00:21:13,160.857 --> 00:21:23,15.857 But why do you think women feel so confused around this stage of life? up until recently, like you said, with people starting to speak out about it. 208 00:21:23,255.857 --> 00:21:23,585.857 Yeah. 209 00:21:23,585.857 --> 00:21:26,195.857 There, the education just wasn't there. 210 00:21:26,915.857 --> 00:21:31,865.857 There, like this term, perimenopause was not in my vocabulary. 211 00:21:32,720.857 --> 00:21:34,160.857 It just was unknown. 212 00:21:34,160.857 --> 00:21:49,280.857 And it's a funny thing, and I think it's similar to pregnancy and, women have babies and it's a painful experience, but then, you're happy when you get pregnant a second time and, you forget about that whole painful experience. 213 00:21:49,280.857 --> 00:21:56,790.857 And I think similarly you speak to other women in your life, your aunts your mother, your grandmother, and you ask them about menopause, they're like. 214 00:21:57,815.857 --> 00:22:05,500.857 So I think there's a gap there and, maybe the transfer of knowledge and people feeling like they can actually talk about this. 215 00:22:05,500.857 --> 00:22:05,560.857 Yeah. 216 00:22:05,565.857 --> 00:22:13,215.857 I think there was a stage in humanity where It was suggested that women were less powerful as a result of this happening to them. 217 00:22:13,765.857 --> 00:22:17,135.857 And, once they hit that stage, your usefulness went away. 218 00:22:17,140.857 --> 00:22:20,680.857 And that's just so unfortunate because, it's just not talked about. 219 00:22:20,680.857 --> 00:22:29,955.857 It's not, explained and I think this is a really great time for anybody to be going through menopause to finally have some resources to help 'em through it. 220 00:22:30,55.857 --> 00:22:30,355.857 Yeah. 221 00:22:30,755.857 --> 00:22:41,605.857 I can reflect on, my mom talking about her mom and thinking at that time she was reflecting, I think she was going through menopause when I was X years old. 222 00:22:41,965.857 --> 00:22:45,645.857 And I'll be honest with you, I've done the same with my mom. 223 00:22:45,645.857 --> 00:22:51,205.857 Like, why was she like that I didn't even do anything that bad for her to behave that way. 224 00:22:51,565.857 --> 00:22:59,95.857 And then it dawned on me, I'm like, okay maybe she was going through all of this and it didn't even register at that time. 225 00:22:59,255.857 --> 00:23:12,415.857 Obviously I was much younger, so you're not necessarily even thinking like that, so it's almost like we backtrack and say, oh my gosh, that might have been perimenopause or menopause. 226 00:23:12,415.857 --> 00:23:14,125.857 looking the rear view mirror. 227 00:23:14,185.857 --> 00:23:15,145.857 Yeah, exactly. 228 00:23:15,145.857 --> 00:23:19,75.857 Instead of being in that moment and say, okay, I think I'm going through it. 229 00:23:19,525.857 --> 00:23:23,5.857 What can I do to help myself? But I think again, that's changing. 230 00:23:23,545.857 --> 00:23:33,380.857 Going back to something that you were talking about, you were talking about libido and intimacy and that was one of the harder chapters for you to write about. 231 00:23:33,710.857 --> 00:23:34,310.857 How do you. 232 00:23:34,810.857 --> 00:23:42,140.857 Talk about that in your book so that women, feel their sexuality and that they feel strong again. 233 00:23:42,140.857 --> 00:23:44,180.857 it's not about, feeling sexy and lingerie. 234 00:23:44,855.857 --> 00:23:50,570.857 It's about now at the stage, it's like looking in the mirror and feeling confident in your own skin again. 235 00:23:50,620.857 --> 00:23:52,900.857 Because you're reclaiming yourself right. 236 00:23:52,950.857 --> 00:23:56,310.857 I think it's all about that feeling on the inside at this stage. 237 00:23:56,315.857 --> 00:23:56,385.857 Yeah. 238 00:23:56,550.857 --> 00:23:56,820.857 Yeah. 239 00:23:56,920.857 --> 00:23:59,800.857 And just, feeling like you are in control. 240 00:23:59,830.857 --> 00:24:13,595.857 'cause I think that's the worst thing about perimenopause is that feeling of being outta control The control and just being one with yourself and understanding there, there's a change that took place and you're a new version of yourself moving forward. 241 00:24:13,645.857 --> 00:24:14,515.857 And accepting that. 242 00:24:14,950.857 --> 00:24:19,710.857 Yeah I've talked to other guests and just sharing about, my own life. 243 00:24:19,710.857 --> 00:24:39,260.857 I think, going through stretches of time where I had to be in the hospital training, working you live this life where you lose sleep For the most part it was fine because, you get used to be have, dealing with chronic fatigue at that time, but it all changes when you're going through this stage. 244 00:24:39,440.857 --> 00:24:53,205.857 How has sleep been for you and how do you talk about it in terms of women who are going through perimenopause and menopause? Sleep evidently, in most cases gets disrupted. 245 00:24:53,445.857 --> 00:24:54,555.857 Yeah, I think that's a fact. 246 00:24:54,555.857 --> 00:25:01,690.857 And you might agree, it's relative to the melatonin that's declining and that plays into the role of sleep. 247 00:25:02,60.857 --> 00:25:06,800.857 You got your cortisol, you got you, you're more anxious about stuff, your mind is racing. 248 00:25:07,70.857 --> 00:25:07,340.857 Yeah. 249 00:25:07,800.857 --> 00:25:10,650.857 I think a lot of women going through the stage will say the same thing. 250 00:25:10,650.857 --> 00:25:15,30.857 You're waking up at three o'clock in the morning trying to get yourself. 251 00:25:15,330.857 --> 00:25:15,990.857 Back to sleep. 252 00:25:15,990.857 --> 00:25:21,240.857 So yes, I have, I am still affected by not getting good quality sleep. 253 00:25:21,270.857 --> 00:25:21,630.857 Yeah. 254 00:25:22,20.857 --> 00:25:25,890.857 And you've realized how important sleep is. 255 00:25:25,890.857 --> 00:25:32,305.857 And if you were somebody, you working long hours, maybe you know, you stayed up later than you should have while you were younger, you could bounce back. 256 00:25:33,865.857 --> 00:25:35,965.857 the effects of it Seem to stick around longer. 257 00:25:35,965.857 --> 00:25:43,600.857 So the one thing I did learn though and I'm getting better at it, and I'm seeing the effects of it, is having a routine and Right. 258 00:25:44,80.857 --> 00:25:45,310.857 Maintaining that routine. 259 00:25:45,310.857 --> 00:25:47,860.857 Whether it's, before you, two hours before bed. 260 00:25:48,190.857 --> 00:26:01,400.857 Turn off all your devices, grab yourself a book to unwind, get your mind to slowly, ease, turn off, let's say, or, at least motor down a little bit, the Epsom cells, the magnesium. 261 00:26:01,530.857 --> 00:26:10,420.857 I melatonin if necessary, but keep a regular routine that's something that just, I stick by and I find that's proven to be most successful. 262 00:26:10,420.857 --> 00:26:14,770.857 But yeah, without a doubt it definitely is affected in more ways than one. 263 00:26:15,200.857 --> 00:26:17,410.857 I think I totally agree with you. 264 00:26:17,410.857 --> 00:26:26,730.857 And it took me even myself, 'cause I thought I was a Superman or superwoman but yeah I'm exempt from all those things, but no, you'll see it. 265 00:26:26,740.857 --> 00:26:34,290.857 not just with your mood, but with your weight obviously your energy during the day your memory, all sorts of stuff. 266 00:26:35,30.857 --> 00:26:48,10.857 At the end of the day, we really haven't evolved too much as human beings, when you think about it, Aside from our houses and apartments or what have you, where we live, we're really not meant to live in these structures, right? We're supposed to be sleeping on the outside. 267 00:26:48,380.857 --> 00:26:54,510.857 Where at, creatures would be crawling outside and potentially eating us, right? At least That's how I think. 268 00:26:54,790.857 --> 00:27:06,270.857 And the point I'm trying to make is that sleep is so important, right? It supersedes all of that, right? Sleep is even more important than an animal potentially eating us up. 269 00:27:06,880.857 --> 00:27:19,420.857 So when you decide to stay up at night watching your Netflix and it becomes one o'clock in the morning and you have to wake up at six to get to work, and you can't make up sleep. 270 00:27:19,970.857 --> 00:27:21,530.857 It's not like you can store sleep. 271 00:27:22,830.857 --> 00:27:24,390.857 That's the unfortunate part. 272 00:27:24,440.857 --> 00:27:29,270.857 You're counting down that time you're going, I can't wait to get in bed for sure. 273 00:27:29,820.857 --> 00:27:45,330.857 Some of these hormonal shifts in terms of your friends and relatives what do you encourage because obviously these conversations need to happen more between friends and relatives, where we can talk freely. 274 00:27:45,510.857 --> 00:27:53,970.857 What kind of conversations should these be like? Yeah, I think it's just so important to just. 275 00:27:54,520.857 --> 00:27:56,170.857 Share what's happening to you. 276 00:27:56,170.857 --> 00:27:57,700.857 Don't hold back on it. 277 00:27:57,700.857 --> 00:28:00,30.857 This is where, I feel a great deal of relief. 278 00:28:00,30.857 --> 00:28:10,520.857 Just even in having this conversation, just to put the word out there, right? I don't think you're meant to try to take on the world yourself with the chaos that's happening inside you. 279 00:28:10,990.857 --> 00:28:14,320.857 maybe one symptom you are experiencing is. 280 00:28:15,25.857 --> 00:28:31,125.857 Unusual, but somebody else you start talking to has something similar to you, and you don't know that until you have the conversations maybe you find out one thing works great for one woman and you adopt it, and that's not something you're gonna find in a book. 281 00:28:31,125.857 --> 00:28:39,505.857 Unfortunately, and I would love to be the first one to put that book together of the, hacks to combating perimenopause. 282 00:28:39,505.857 --> 00:28:40,525.857 Maybe that's the next one. 283 00:28:40,775.857 --> 00:28:48,500.857 that's what I encourage, like when you just talk, get to understand what's going on, what they're going through, what they're struggling with, how they're overcoming it. 284 00:28:48,500.857 --> 00:28:53,185.857 And I think that's the biggest defense here is just to have real conversations. 285 00:28:54,215.857 --> 00:29:02,465.857 Why do you think the generation preceding us and I, we, you and I might be of two different generations, so you may be talking about my generation. 286 00:29:03,305.857 --> 00:29:03,485.857 Yeah. 287 00:29:03,485.857 --> 00:29:11,885.857 Maybe why do you think that these conversations weren't had where my mom didn't talk to me certainly about puberty and didn't talk to me about, any of this stuff. 288 00:29:11,935.857 --> 00:29:13,525.857 I don't, she talked to me about. 289 00:29:13,690.857 --> 00:29:18,455.857 Pregnancy either, right? So I think it was just like, yeah, don't get pregnant. 290 00:29:18,455.857 --> 00:29:22,355.857 Whatever you do, basically, whatever you don't ruin your life and don't get pregnant. 291 00:29:22,385.857 --> 00:29:23,285.857 I was like, okay. 292 00:29:23,385.857 --> 00:29:24,345.857 That's great advice. 293 00:29:24,345.857 --> 00:29:24,705.857 Okay. 294 00:29:26,775.857 --> 00:29:27,45.857 Yep. 295 00:29:27,685.857 --> 00:29:27,805.857 Yes. 296 00:29:28,355.857 --> 00:29:28,695.857 We have. 297 00:29:29,195.857 --> 00:29:30,665.857 Experiences with it all. 298 00:29:30,665.857 --> 00:29:34,25.857 Like a, anything reproductive around women. 299 00:29:34,135.857 --> 00:29:35,635.857 It's just not really talked about. 300 00:29:35,875.857 --> 00:29:36,85.857 Yeah. 301 00:29:36,85.857 --> 00:29:43,415.857 And if that wasn't, puberty and pregnancy, if that wasn't like, no wonder Yeah, perimenopause was off the radar for sure. 302 00:29:43,685.857 --> 00:29:48,485.857 I would question if they even knew what it was to be able to articulate. 303 00:29:48,485.857 --> 00:29:48,520.857 Yeah, that's true. 304 00:29:48,520.857 --> 00:29:48,920.857 That's true. 305 00:29:48,925.857 --> 00:29:49,275.857 Yeah. 306 00:29:49,935.857 --> 00:29:50,145.857 True. 307 00:29:50,355.857 --> 00:29:50,925.857 Very true. 308 00:29:51,95.857 --> 00:30:05,250.857 But like right now with all the conversations, I think we're coming to see how many, so one symptom that could very well mean perimenopause can also mean like 10 other things potentially. 309 00:30:05,250.857 --> 00:30:08,490.857 But it's not until you put all those pieces together that you can go. 310 00:30:08,815.857 --> 00:30:11,875.857 With some certainty that yeah, it's probably perimenopause. 311 00:30:11,915.857 --> 00:30:19,215.857 I do think it's being talked about more and I think women are listening more to their various podcasts and or reading books. 312 00:30:19,215.857 --> 00:30:25,510.857 'cause I definitely have more patients who come in who have those questions where I don't necessarily have to ask. 313 00:30:25,510.857 --> 00:30:29,445.857 Them, but they know, okay, let me just check in with Dr. 314 00:30:29,445.857 --> 00:30:36,885.857 Mandel and find out is this something that I should be worried about? What should I do? What can I do? During this phase. 315 00:30:37,425.857 --> 00:30:38,715.857 Let me ask you a question. 316 00:30:38,715.857 --> 00:30:55,100.857 How has it changed your relationship with your spouse? Like what did you learn during this journey that helped him to speak with you different and hopefully structure your relationship differently in a better way? In a better way. 317 00:30:55,100.857 --> 00:30:55,730.857 A hundred percent. 318 00:30:55,910.857 --> 00:30:56,210.857 Yeah. 319 00:30:56,210.857 --> 00:31:05,815.857 I am so blessed that he is an open-minded individual and he was willing to just hear me out on a lot of this. 320 00:31:07,605.857 --> 00:31:15,305.857 And through those discussions we were able to, come to an understanding of what works for us and why it works for us. 321 00:31:15,340.857 --> 00:31:18,125.857 And how that can also be applied to other people. 322 00:31:18,125.857 --> 00:31:19,445.857 I'm just having a bad date. 323 00:31:19,445.857 --> 00:31:19,925.857 Yeah. 324 00:31:19,985.857 --> 00:31:21,65.857 You're just dismissing me. 325 00:31:21,95.857 --> 00:31:21,455.857 Okay. 326 00:31:21,455.857 --> 00:31:23,375.857 I don't need you to diagnose me, man. 327 00:31:23,375.857 --> 00:31:24,545.857 I need you to listen to me. 328 00:31:25,115.857 --> 00:31:25,445.857 Okay. 329 00:31:25,835.857 --> 00:31:27,935.857 So it's just being able to. 330 00:31:28,435.857 --> 00:31:30,745.857 He was, he's my rock in all of this for sure. 331 00:31:30,745.857 --> 00:31:33,85.857 And he stands by the crazy days. 332 00:31:33,585.857 --> 00:31:48,205.857 And just taking all that experience and talking with our friends about it and them having, similar reactions is how we came to this needs to be somewhere for somebody to, use as a resource for themselves. 333 00:31:48,385.857 --> 00:31:51,140.857 And that's ultimately how it came about in the book and reflected in the book. 334 00:31:51,690.857 --> 00:31:53,70.857 I don't know if that answered your question. 335 00:31:53,140.857 --> 00:31:53,360.857 Yes. 336 00:31:54,95.857 --> 00:31:54,305.857 Okay, good. 337 00:31:54,805.857 --> 00:31:59,875.857 I think one of the things I've realized that men are more doers and fixers. 338 00:32:00,955.857 --> 00:32:03,475.857 You give them a problem, okay, let me fix this for you. 339 00:32:03,475.857 --> 00:32:06,115.857 But this is not something necessarily that. 340 00:32:06,395.857 --> 00:32:08,495.857 Can be fixed per se. 341 00:32:08,835.857 --> 00:32:16,125.857 It's more like we have to understand it and how to help ourselves and it's never gonna be a perfect process. 342 00:32:16,475.857 --> 00:32:22,205.857 So I don't think they necessarily know what to do with that. 343 00:32:22,725.857 --> 00:32:25,425.857 Yeah, I am amusing with that because I think you're bang on. 344 00:32:25,425.857 --> 00:32:27,855.857 I think you nailed that right on the head. 345 00:32:27,905.857 --> 00:32:38,745.857 one thing I didn't write about necessarily, 'cause it was something we just recently instituted, was like, the first question my husband asked me now is like, where are you? Where are you today? And I'll say, one to 10 where I am. 346 00:32:38,745.857 --> 00:32:39,75.857 He is okay. 347 00:32:39,705.857 --> 00:32:49,755.857 I know what version of you I'm gonna be working with and I think, that's been so helpful for me to communicate without so many words, like where I am in that moment. 348 00:32:50,205.857 --> 00:32:50,955.857 I'm at a 10. 349 00:32:51,975.857 --> 00:33:10,625.857 Do you want me to call you back? So I think that being said, I think there are also mechanisms that we can employ when we are going through those, rollercoasters where you take a little time out, you take a little drive, you take a little walk. 350 00:33:10,675.857 --> 00:33:15,475.857 You go to your backyard and blow off whatever it is. 351 00:33:15,655.857 --> 00:33:19,725.857 It's nothing earth shattering but sometimes you need those moments. 352 00:33:19,725.857 --> 00:33:32,385.857 And that's, going back to what I was saying, that's where life can get complicated because, women are often doing a million different things at the same time and they don't often make. 353 00:33:32,525.857 --> 00:33:39,115.857 The time to have those little moments or they don't have the time to make those moments. 354 00:33:39,505.857 --> 00:33:43,915.857 So my whole point is if you can make the time, and I think we can all make the time. 355 00:33:44,425.857 --> 00:33:47,575.857 I'm not talking about, going on like a retreat here. 356 00:33:47,575.857 --> 00:33:49,675.857 I'm talking about 15 minutes. 357 00:33:49,725.857 --> 00:33:53,35.857 We can all spare 15 minutes to Blow off steam. 358 00:33:53,725.857 --> 00:33:56,185.857 So yeah, let's do some fun things. 359 00:33:56,185.857 --> 00:33:56,575.857 Okay. 360 00:33:56,585.857 --> 00:34:13,115.857 If menopause had a song, a soundtrack, what would one of the songs be? Okay, it, this is a funny one, and the person that really came to mind, and this might not be your generation, is lose Yourself by Eminem. 361 00:34:13,425.857 --> 00:34:16,775.857 Because you only got one shot at this chapter and that's it. 362 00:34:16,775.857 --> 00:34:24,615.857 And so just own it and, be that new version of yourself that you are going to be, that's the song that came to mind. 363 00:34:24,985.857 --> 00:34:32,185.857 I might have to reach out to, M and mss whatever, not him, but to see if I can have that in the background music of the podcast. 364 00:34:33,185.857 --> 00:34:39,980.857 And then what was your favorite mantra from your book? You are not crazy. 365 00:34:39,980.857 --> 00:34:41,780.857 You are just changing. 366 00:34:42,180.857 --> 00:34:46,140.857 everybody keeps on trying to hang on to that version of themself. 367 00:34:46,140.857 --> 00:34:49,410.857 They were before That moment that little flicker went off. 368 00:34:49,410.857 --> 00:34:49,470.857 Yeah. 369 00:34:50,965.857 --> 00:34:53,785.857 And you know what? Don't waste your energy on that. 370 00:34:54,985.857 --> 00:35:03,355.857 conserve your energy and put it towards those things that are going to help you decompress those things that you enjoy in your life. 371 00:35:03,745.857 --> 00:35:09,715.857 Be able to take those 15 minutes, like you were saying and just find something that you really thoroughly enjoy. 372 00:35:09,985.857 --> 00:35:11,545.857 Yeah, you're changing. 373 00:35:12,215.857 --> 00:35:19,585.857 it's often hard, right? To gather all your strengths and figure out what's going on with you. 374 00:35:19,635.857 --> 00:35:24,525.857 But at the same time I think this is one of the things that, bind us all together. 375 00:35:25,325.857 --> 00:35:27,95.857 We're not in it alone. 376 00:35:27,95.857 --> 00:35:32,165.857 And talking to other people, especially other women is very important. 377 00:35:32,585.857 --> 00:35:51,245.857 And then, women over 45 what should they start doing? If, they're not having anything, what should they start doing? Just, start accepting yourself for being physically, emotionally, whatever you're becoming. 378 00:35:51,245.857 --> 00:35:53,285.857 Just accept yourself for that. 379 00:35:53,395.857 --> 00:35:56,425.857 Of course you do things to try to mitigate. 380 00:35:57,425.857 --> 00:36:02,795.857 The effects of this stage, right? Like we said, the protein, going for a walk, some weight training. 381 00:36:03,135.857 --> 00:36:06,355.857 I know there's big emphasis on getting weighted vests now. 382 00:36:06,355.857 --> 00:36:14,695.857 So what? Even if you're just cleaning up the house, perhaps, you're just, forcing your body to be in that state where you're, weight it down and exerting it. 383 00:36:14,745.857 --> 00:36:16,635.857 educate yourself as much as possible. 384 00:36:17,310.857 --> 00:36:29,275.857 But definitely, don't apologize for changing and it's important to have that mindset it's about that mindset of accepting it because ultimately it's gonna happen. 385 00:36:29,995.857 --> 00:36:35,355.857 So just, you just gotta be grounded with the fact it is going to happen and that's life as we know it. 386 00:36:36,160.857 --> 00:36:38,920.857 And it doesn't have to be terrible. 387 00:36:38,970.857 --> 00:36:40,290.857 As long as you know what you're up against. 388 00:36:40,560.857 --> 00:36:40,830.857 Yeah. 389 00:36:41,970.857 --> 00:36:48,130.857 where can we find the Menopause Decoder? Oh, you can get it on Amazon. 390 00:36:48,130.857 --> 00:36:51,820.857 If you search up the menopause decoder, you can find it there. 391 00:36:51,870.857 --> 00:36:54,30.857 we're offering it a hard copy, soft copy. 392 00:36:54,330.857 --> 00:36:58,170.857 You can get an ebook and we're just about to also launch the audio book. 393 00:36:58,170.857 --> 00:37:03,155.857 it could be a very good gift for any woman who might be going through this. 394 00:37:03,185.857 --> 00:37:06,815.857 you can also get it on our website, venus vitality nnu.com. 395 00:37:07,305.857 --> 00:37:11,155.857 That's also where we got our supplements the heating pads I told you about and the book. 396 00:37:11,455.857 --> 00:37:11,815.857 Okay. 397 00:37:12,385.857 --> 00:37:28,655.857 And do you have any social media handles where people can follow you? Just redoing my social media, The only thing I'd say is like through this, as I expressed in the beginning we are trying to help women in every kind of facet throughout life. 398 00:37:29,555.857 --> 00:37:34,85.857 The next thing we are bringing Al also is you said you were struggling with it. 399 00:37:34,175.857 --> 00:37:34,535.857 Weight. 400 00:37:34,595.857 --> 00:37:35,615.857 I struggle with it. 401 00:37:35,945.857 --> 00:37:47,205.857 And so we're offering like a, it's called venous transformation is a protocol for women going very specific perimenopause, menopause, who are struggling with just, realizing what they were doing isn't working. 402 00:37:47,205.857 --> 00:37:47,715.857 So it's. 403 00:37:48,75.857 --> 00:37:49,605.857 A guide to help 'em through it. 404 00:37:49,725.857 --> 00:37:51,615.857 Meal plans, fitness routines. 405 00:37:51,615.857 --> 00:37:51,645.857 Okay. 406 00:37:52,215.857 --> 00:38:00,255.857 We wanna be there to help you and make this journey less crazy so that, that's our next endeavor. 407 00:38:00,255.857 --> 00:38:08,475.857 whatever you're doing, whether it's, working with your doctor, getting, if you go for HRT, whatever it is, but also supplementing it with. 408 00:38:08,975.857 --> 00:38:11,285.857 Your nutrition and your health, your fitness as well. 409 00:38:12,785.857 --> 00:38:16,435.857 This has been great talking with you and, talking about your book. 410 00:38:16,615.857 --> 00:38:21,315.857 I wish you much success in all you do Thanks for having me. 411 00:38:21,445.857 --> 00:38:22,705.857 very nice to talk to you. 412 00:38:22,755.857 --> 00:38:26,855.857 And don't forget to like, share and review my podcast. 413 00:38:27,405.857 --> 00:38:31,195.857 Remember, it's always ladies first on Soma Says. 414 00:38:31,495.857 --> 00:38:35,155.857 Let's make a difference one conversation at a time.