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Today, we're honored to welcome Dr.
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Pooja Mahtani, a dynamo in functional medicine, nutrition, and wellness.
With a Doctorate in Pharmacy and a Master’s in Human Nutrition and Functional Medicine, she’s on a mission to revolutionize healthcare by addressing health at its foundation—the cellular level.
As a Medical Science Liaison at BodyBio, Dr.
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Pooja educates healthcare practitioners on cutting-edge supplements that support foundational healing and optimal wellness.
Her passion lies in empowering practitioners to integrate nutrition and functional medicine into their practices, ensuring better health outcomes for patients everywhere.
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Get ready for an insightful conversation with Dr.
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Pooja Mahtani! Hi, this is Dr.
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Soma.
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Just a disclaimer, this podcast is for informational purposes only and isn't intended as medical advice.
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Always consult with your doctor before making any changes to your diet, exercise, or health regimen.
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Let's go to the show.
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I was my own guinea pig so within a year of making some pretty big changes to my diet and taking a few Key supplements I was able to reverse all of my diagnoses.
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And I thought that was just incredibly Powerful.
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sometimes it's just a matter of stepping back from where all the buzz is and recognizing that.
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Okay.
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The basics actually make a tremendous difference.
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And birth control is the perfect example of a type of medication where it's not necessarily Getting to the root of that, what that issue may be of why she is actually having heavy bleeding or have a heavy menstrual cycle.
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Rather it is quite literally turning off her own hormones, right? health is absolutely a marathon, right? It's not a sprint.
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And so it's, it truly is those small, consistent, changes over time.
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I wanted to welcome you to my podcast officially and also get to learn about your background.
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Obviously, I read up on you and everything, but I wanted you to talk about yourself and what led you down this path of functional medicine and serving as a medical liaison for Body Bio.
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I wasn't always in nutrition and functional medicine.
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I actually started out my career as a pharmacist.
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So I was always in healthcare.
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But, two different sides.
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So I worked as a pharmacist for about six years.
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I was working for a large national health plan.
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So I gained a really good foundation in conventional medicine and healthcare systems, but I realized that there was a gap in treating the root causes of health issues, many diseases are lifestyle related, right? And so we often treat chronic conditions with medications, which only address the symptoms, They don't go further down And so I'm not by any means like anti medication.
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I believe in its judicious use.
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But unfortunately polypharmacy is very common.
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The average American is taking anywhere between 4 to 5 medications.
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Older adults are going upwards of 7 or more.
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And so I had this understanding as I was already working as a pharmacist, but it really wasn't until I had my own health challenges where I was diagnosed with PCOS, fatty liver and I just felt like I was struggling for years with the different gut issues.
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So then this really led me to explore.
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Alternative approaches like nutrition and functional medicine I mean it was my own testimonial, but I felt it was completely eye opening, right? And then after that I decided to pursue more formal education in the space.
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I had my own private practice then for about eight years, specializing in women's health, where I applied different integrative and functional approaches that combined nutrition, lifestyle changes, targeted supplementation.
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And so forth.
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I am now the medical science liaison at Body Bio, which is a leading supplement brand dedicated to cellular health.
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My role today primarily involves educating different health care professionals that are aligned, helping them integrate our products into their practice a little bit more efficiently.
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I also collaborate closely with our marketing team to ensure that all of our content is scientifically accurate.
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I am very happy where I am today, and I feel like it aligns with my personal passions.
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I think a lot of us that go into healthcare we try to save ourselves first and then we save other people.
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And in that way, we're saving ourselves as well.
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So it sounds like you, that's what, happened.
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And that inspired you to help other people.
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I am an active clinician.
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I see a lot of women in my practice anywhere from 18 to 99 plus.
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My oldest patient is a hundred and three years old.
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my patients who are trying to get pregnant, trying to start a family.
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And then it's two groups, that group and then my patients who are in their mid lives, who are approaching perimenopause or perhaps in it and or menopausal.
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They're always, I just feel, they're swamped by the media.
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They hear this, I don't know if it, if this is accurate, should I be taking this supplement? And there are a lot of things on the market.
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And a lot of it is not regulated.
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by the FDA, and patients often come in feeling very confused as to whether they should or shouldn't be taking it.
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What are your thoughts about that? Navigating the supplement industry, I would say, is very complex.
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And I think it requires quite a bit of education, that burden of education falls on the consumer, right? And you're right, they are not necessarily FDA regulated to the degree that a prescription drug is.
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And the burden of looking for reputable brands to educate themselves on trusted or specific ingredients.
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And then testing them, right? That all falls on the consumer.
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Now, and of course there are more and more practitioners that are also educating themselves in the study of supplements and how they could be used either complimentary or in place of different medications.
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Yeah, certainly if your practitioner is up to speed, I would say on those topics, then I think they would be a really trustworthy source to ask.
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But unfortunately right now, I still think where the space is that a lot of it does fall on yourself to look into it and then explore yourself.
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I do think that is stressful for patients though.
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And sometimes myself, like I, sometimes I'll get samples of products that, companies or, people want me to promote, and I will look at the ingredients first.
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And if it doesn't align with what I would necessarily put in my body, then I wouldn't, promote it to my patients, but a lot of people, they don't have the science background.
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They don't, they're not doctors or nurses and, or nutritionists or pharmacists.
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And they don't necessarily know what the word sucralose means and what, and what that translates to and how it can necessarily affect their gut health and their microbiome.
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You have had extensive experience in functional medicine, and you just mentioned that you have helped your own health with diet and other measures.
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What are some lifestyle and other environmental recommendations that you have for women in these groups to try to optimize their health? Yeah, that's again a great question, and I think oftentimes we are following the media, right? And we tend to just as a society.
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We're following like the latest trend or the latest trendy diet or lifestyle choice.
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But I will say sometimes.
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Rather than following into those extremes, right? it's just a matter of going back to the basics.
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Eating a healthy, balanced, nutrient rich diet, getting adequate sleep, working out 5 to 6 days a week are if, of course, certainly that's dependent on your schedule and what your time allows.
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And then being really mindful today, especially of the different types of toxins that are in our, that are in our society and in our food, in our air, in our, in the water that we're drinking.
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And so sometimes it's just a matter of stepping back from where all the buzz is and recognizing that.
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Okay.
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The basics actually make a tremendous difference.
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And so if I were to give just a couple pointers here with regards to nutrition again, I know that there are many different dietary theories and approaches out there, but I always really just come back to what I call the plate method where if you were to divide up your plates into 25 percent protein, 25 percent complex carbohydrates and the remaining portion of that plate, roughly 50 percent being a variety of different vegetables that will ensure that you're getting that.
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Nutrient rich, diverse diet that not only helps to promote healthy blood sugar levels, but also allows for your beneficial gut bugs to really thrive and flourish.
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And so just doing that alone, I feel like could be a night and day difference.
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It's not something that Is done overnight.
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And so there may be it may take a matter of weeks or a matter of months to really feel like you have a solid practice around that.
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But really and truly, rather than say, I'm going to pinpoint, let's say one ingredient on the nutritional label, I think just.
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Zooming out a little bit and looking at the big picture and saying I just need to get more vegetables in my diet.
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I need to make sure that I'm also getting healthy fats throughout the day because these are the macros that are going to fuel all of the billions of different biochemical reactions that take place at that cellular level.
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So that's one piece.
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And then certainly with exercise.
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Again, I think that there's trends that come and go, but just good old weightlifting, prioritizing that three to four times a week.
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And then I would say adding in one or two days for a cardio or like high intensity.
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That way you're able to not only ensure that you have healthy circulation levels, but you're also building that muscle mass, which will ultimately lead to healthy weight.
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And of course sleep, I think that again, there's so many trackers out there now, which can be very valuable.
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But sometimes again, I think we spend as a society a little too much time tracking rather than like the doing piece.
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So just, yeah, lights out being in complete darkness, staying away from your phone making sure that you're giving your body a chance to like actually produce healthy levels of melatonin, which then allow you to get restful sleep.
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So a lot of it just it really does boil down back to the basics and it may seem at times that you're going against the grain or going against what is popular, but those are some tried and true methods that I don't think can ever.
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really fill you, yes, I think, a lot of us and I take it as when patients come in with the aura ring and they have their, how many steps they're taking and how well they're sleeping and this and that.
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I take it as that they're very interested in their health and staying on top of it.
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But like you said, sometimes it's just a matter of doing and not necessarily tracking everything.
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But, there is some.
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Proof in the pudding that a lot of these fitness apps can help people especially, for example, I'll have patients who have caught an arrhythmia or have figured out that they might have sleep apnea.
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So it can be beneficial in certain ways.
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I think that it can also drive motivation, right? Factor as well.
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So yeah, there's definitely value to these devices.
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And value to some of the things that we hear, like currently in the media.
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But I would say again, just going back to your foundations can never lead you wrong if you're looking to jumpstart your health journey again.
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Now, you obviously work as a medical liaison for a nutraceutical company, yes? And hopefully you can, talk about some of the supplements that are available that you find can help women.
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Which ones are your favorites and why, and what would you recommend for the fertility issues and or midlifes? And I can, from what I understand and read, they can be the same supplements.
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And I was just about to say that there, they more or less, I would say, again, if we're looking at.
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Some of those core supplements to consider for both women that are looking to conceive and also women that are in menopause, they very much have a pretty strong overlap there.
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And of course, the philosophy of functional medicine is personalized care, right? Digging deep, looking at the root cause and personalizing that treatment plan or that approach for that individual.
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Eventually, again, I would say it would be a good idea to partner with a professional who has that knowledge base who can guide you even further.
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But in terms of the baseline or the foundations, I would first and foremost.
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Check to see if all of your micronutrient needs are being met.
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And that could be just as simple as looking, taking a look at, again, where your diet is today.
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If it is more processed in nature.
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Then we can assume that likely there are going to be some of those deficiencies or those cracks That you're not necessarily being able to fill in which case of course, I mentioned diet being a big consideration To make changes to but then certainly supplementation can also be really helpful.
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So for again specifically for let's say Women who are looking to conceive I would be really mindful of let's say Your mineral status.
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So are you getting enough magnesium? Are you getting enough zinc iodine? So all of these minerals can serve as cofactors to again help drive a lot of these biochemical reactions.
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Specifically, magnesium is really good to help regulate estrogen, progesterone, key hormones that are involved in reproductive health, helps to support healthy ovulation, improves health.
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Egg and sperm quality, right? Because men's health is equally as important in that equation.
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Zinc also very important for hormonal balance, immune function and then iodine, I'm thinking top of mind just because we want healthy iodine levels to help support thyroid health, which in turn also influences fertility, right? And so making sure you have a comprehensive mineral blend on board can be very essential to this.
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And then when we're thinking about vitamins, I'm also thinking about, let's say, our B vitamins.
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In particular, folate and B12.
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Folate is helping to ensure that you're minimizing the risk of neural tube defects in a developing fetus.
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B12 is really good for the production of red blood cells and also to help support healthy energy levels, right? Really important for fertility and vitamin D as well really crucial for reproductive health, helping to again, enhance chances of conception, improve hormonal regulation, allow for healthy ovulation really powerful for women with all sorts of hormonal imbalances, but I'm thinking also in particular, like women who have PCOS, women who have irregular cycles, where that vitamin could be really beneficial for them.
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And similarly for women that are in menopause, I would also look at our vitamin and mineral status.
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Again, maybe you're not thinking of it in the same light, meaning that you're not necessarily taking magnesium this time around to help with egg quality per se, but you are helping you're all taking magnesium to help with sleep, muscle relaxation, bone health even.
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And so a lot of these vitamins and minerals will overlap across the entire lifespan for a female.
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But the reason in which why, why you may take that particular vitamin or mineral may slightly differ.
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And then I also would love to dive into like essential fatty acids and lipids, but I want to pause and see if you have any comments on yes let's just dive into it.
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So like I said, there's that overlap, right? For both fertility purposes, menopause purposes Your essential omegas are going to be really key here, and I'm very specifically note that I didn't just say omega 3, I'm also referring to, believe it or not, omega 6s, and I know that right now they're quite controversial, and they've been villainized quite a bit with different lines of thinking around seed oils there is a camp, of course, that says They're absolutely essential for you helping to reduce all cause mortality.
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And there's another camp that's saying that they're actually Could be quite detrimental to your health and we should be staying away from them.
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And so I just want to take a moment to talk about the source of omega 6 and as a matter of fact the source for omega 3 too.
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These are what's known as polyunsaturated fats.
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Polyunsaturated.
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Now, technically speaking from a chemical point of view they have multiple double bonds in their structure, which means that they are more prone to, let's say oxidation where they can get damaged easily or they're more sensitive to heat.
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And so a lot of the sourcing of omega 6 and what we're intaking as a population right now is your rancid and oxidized version.
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And there is now literature to show that oxidized version that's going to eventually slot into your cell membrane which then dictates the health of your cell can definitely cause more downstream inflammation and put more what we call cellular stress.
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Or more oxidative stress on that cell versus if you were to source a cold pressed version of your omega 6s then they will do the same thing.
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They will slot into your cell membrane, but they will behave radically different.
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They will actually improve cell signaling, cell to cell communication dampen inflammation.
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and the same concept of the rancidity and oxidation applies to omega 3.
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And so I want for your audience to just recognize that both omega 6 and omega 3 are crucial, critical, and what are called essential, meaning that our bodies cannot produce them.
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We have to obtain it from our diet.
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these cleaner sources absolutely can affect the quality of your eggs and by extension, the quality of men's sperm as well.
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And then for women who are undergoing or transitioning into menopause, these omegas are going to be really helpful for reducing inflammation.
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Supporting heart health, helping reduce inflammation, which is really commonly linked to those common menopausal symptoms like hot flashes, mood swings, joint pain, and so forth.
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So that's where I would categorize The essential fatty acids.
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I'm thinking about both clean sources of omega 3s and clean sources of omega 6 clean sources of omega 3, of course, could be coming from supplementation, but I would always also encourage the intake of healthy healthy, like wild caught fish So salmon, mackerel, sardines, anchovies, actually incorporating that within your diet.
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But if you're someone who is either allergic or averse to to those foods that are so rich in omega 3s you can absolutely consider fish oil supplementation as well.
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But again, Look for reputable brands, look for brands that are not heating up their oils to such high degree.
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And that may not be like obvious on their website.
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And so it's a matter of doing a little bit of deeper work, reaching out to the company themselves and just exploring how they're producing their end product.
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And then lastly, we have phospholipids, which I think is a category which not many women or many people in general are familiar with.
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I would say once you have your essentials covered, your vitamins, your minerals, and your fatty acids, then I would start to explore phospholipids, which are so vital to the health of your cells.
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So these are Lipid molecules that quite literally make up the membrane that creates that protective barrier around the cell.
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Some of us may be familiar with the concept of phospholipids or a cell membrane or the term lipid bilayer.
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This is something we have learned perhaps in biology class or chemistry class at some point.
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But what we're now learning is that The cell membrane.
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It's not just serving as a barrier, but it's also acting as almost like this command center where it's actually dictating the health of the cell itself.
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Or I like to speak, think of it more as the battery life of the cell.
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So if you have poor cellular function or membrane health, then that's going to reduce the efficiency of that cell and reduce like that battery life of that cell, as opposed to if you have a really clean source of Phospholipids or just healthy membrane then that will improve the battery life of that cell and that cell will be able to function much more effectively.
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And so in terms of how that translates over into women that are affected by menopause or, menopausal like symptoms or women undergoing fertility challenges.
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I would say, think of it as just this foundational building block that is, again, rebuilding the health the structure of your cell membrane, and in turn improving the health of the cell itself.
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Specifically phospholipids In women who are experiencing menopausal issues like brain fog or like those cognitive functions, memory issues phospholipids can come in and act to really support their cognitive function and diminish that brain fog and allow for really just nice mental clarity.
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That mental clarity to come back, and so they're quite powerful in that regard in supporting brain function and then for women that are experiencing infertility.
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These phospholipids will come in and help to improve the quality of the egg.
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And again, remember.
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That the egg also is essentially a cell, right? And so by improving the membrane the architecture of the membrane, all of a sudden that egg quality will improve same thing with sperm.
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Sperm quality will begin to improve.
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And beyond that, I will say that these phospholipids are not just creating the membrane for the cell itself, but they're also acting as these little barriers for all the different organelles that sit within your cells.
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If you have damage to your mitochondria or your mitochondrial membranes, then taking these exogenous supply of phospholipids will come in and help repair.
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That mitochondria and women who are looking to, that are in that age group where they're looking to conceive their eggs may have thousands and thousands of mitochondria that may need some repair.
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And so it's something that.
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A treatment or an approach that I think has been overlooked for a very long time.
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But I do think it's gaining a little bit more momentum.
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And so in, with regards to women's health, I think that it could be a very profound addition.
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If you're looking to, let's say, Take it to the next level beyond just your minerals and your vitamins and essential fatty acids.
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This could be something that really can help move the needle, whether you're again undergoing fertility treatment or you're looking for support in that menopause phase.
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And which products would carry these both the omegas that you mentioned as well as, the phospholipids that you were mentioning, which products or supplements would you recommend? The Body Bio has a product called Body Bio PC for phospholipid complex, and it contains all four of the phospholipids that you mentioned.
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That make up your cell membrane.
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So we have phosphatidylcholine in the largest quantity.
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But we also in that within that same formula include phosphatidylethanolamine, phosphatidylinositol, phosphatidylserine.
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So much education and so many resources on our website where you can learn a little bit more about how these phospholipids could really change your life.
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And so I would encourage everyone to, if this piqued your interest at all, then to hop on our website and learn more about what these phospholipids are capable of.
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And then BodyBio also has a product called Balance Oil, which contains those essential fatty acids I mentioned.
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Both omega six and omega three.
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So the omega six is coming from cold pressed safflower seeds and the omega three part of that formula is coming from flock seeds.
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So you're getting a combination of these oils and you're getting it within a specific 4 to 1 ratio, which is Where all the literature is pointing to helping with memory, reducing anxiety, helping there's quite a few animal studies helping to show like rats are able to complete their mazes more effectively.
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Yeah, there's a lot of literature supporting the creation of balanced oil.
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And then we have fish oil plus, which like I said would be a great add-on.
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If someone.
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Doesn't like to eat seafood, they're averse to anything seafood related then this is going to give you DHA, EPA, and something known as SPMs, Specialized Pro Resolving Mediators, which are tiny little mediators that can go in to directly dampen inflammation.
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This product is unique in that it's sourced from herring roe or caviar.
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So unlike your typical source of just sardines and anchovies.
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And we are really proud to say that It's maintained.
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It's natural composition.
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And what I mean by that is that it's naturally higher in DHA than it is an EPA.
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And so if you were to, let's say, eat a fillet of salmon, you will get higher levels of DHA than you would EPA.
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There are a lot of other brands that are chemically manipulating those ratios to get higher levels of EPA.
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And the reason for that is because the historical data has all pointed to showing that EPA is more anti inflammatory, whereas DHA is more tied to eye health and brain health.
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what we're now learning is that DHA, in addition to supporting eye health and brain health, it's actually a really powerful signaling molecule.
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In your body, where it will signal the release of your own body's production of SPMs or specialized pro resolving mediators.
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So it's really nice that our formula has those SPMs baked in.
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But with that, the way that our ratio is set up, your body is able to produce its own SPMs to help dampen inflammation as well.
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So that is a formula that is newer to the market.
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We are really proud of it.
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And then we just came out with a product called Remineralize, which is a comprehensive blend of all your minerals.
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And most of us, are savvy enough where we're now filtering our water.
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But I think with that, you're also stripping away the good, right? So the natural minerals that are found in your water your if you're using like, let's say reverse osmosis to filter your water, you're taking away the bad, but you're also taking away the good.
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And so part of The strategy then is to bring those minerals back into your water, and you can do so with that product, the Remineralize.
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It's in liquid form, so you can just add it easily to your water, and that way you'll get over 72 different minerals that, again, serve a multitude of different purposes at the cellular level.
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We hear about Omega 3s, we hear about Omega 6s, yes, you're right, Omega 6s have been villainized.
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I wanted to know why In your opinion, why have Omega six has been villainized? And why, in your opinion, should they not be? Yes, excellent question.
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So I think, of course, as with anything that except steam and it starts with our media.
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It starts with leading, let's say health influencers that are pointing out the damaging impact of Omega sixes.
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And I think where we stand is that it's actually a very nuanced conversation.
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It's not all Omega 6s need to, you need to strip them away completely from your diet.
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And it's also not taking that sort of blind approach where any and all Omega 6s are Completely fine.
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Again, I encourage everyone to think about the source of where they're getting these delicate fats because that's really what they are.
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They're truly very delicate.
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And so any degree of heat or any degree of like even long term exposure to oxygen right is enough to start to damage these delicate fatty acids.
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And so most processed foods they will have your rancid source of the omega six.
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You don't even need to dig much deeper than that.
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it is an uphill battle on the consumer's end to then find sources that kind of meet.
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the standards of them being cold pressed.
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And I think we are seeing that quite a bit with, let's say, olive oil as an example, right? That's an omega 9.
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So technically speaking, omega 9 is a fat that your body is capable of producing through a series of different biochemical reactions.
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Not that's not for me to say don't consume olive oil because our bodies produce it olive oil again, if sourced correctly has profound antioxidants our capacity and also have just, they're just rich with so many polyphenols.
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So I would certainly encourage that to remain as part of your diet, but then to bring in the clean sources of omega six.
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So one way you could do that would be to eat a handful of nuts and seeds.
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So walnuts flax seeds, hemp seeds, chia seeds, those are all really rich in omega six and omega three, your plant based version of omega three, which is your alpha linoleic acid.
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But to go back to your question, so I think it's been villainized because there is emerging data to show that the rancid counterpart can lead to damage at a cellular level.
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Eventually that damage.
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which starts out to be microscopic, can over the course of time one could assume that could lead to chronic disease.
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Now that leap to my knowledge in the research has not been made.
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so far what's in the literature is that these rancid fats can produce Toxic byproducts, which can then cause oxidative stress and more free radical damage on the cell.
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So that connection has been made, but the connection from that to actual disease has not been made to my knowledge.
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And so that's where the other camp is coming in saying that there's no tie to chronic disease.
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There's no claim saying that or research showing that this rancid omega 6 can lead to this disease.
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And why that's so nuanced is, again, it I think both camps are slightly missing the point, right? So hopefully I answered your question a little bit in that regard.
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Yes, it sounds like the, very much like the source is important in terms of where you're getting it from.
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Obviously, if you're getting it from fast food, processed foods that is gonna be rancid.
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And No bueno for you.
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So very true.
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And then the other question that formed and I think this is in the media about, most fish oils that are on the shelves are rancid.
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Is that true? That is also true.
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So the same exact what I just applied to or what I just described for omega 6 also applies to omega 3.
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They are both what the type of fat, which I mentioned earlier, they're both polyunsaturated fats.
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They have multiple double bonds.
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And so they're very sensitive, very delicate to heat and oxygen.
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And most fish oil in order to produce the final product has been heated up to temperatures where they should not be.
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Where they should not have gone to that degree.
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And even though fish oils are being marketed as being heart healthy extraordinarily anti inflammatory, which is true, right.
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To a degree that is very true.
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But again, depending on which brand you pick up, you may not be getting those benefits.
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In fact, it may be.
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More detrimental to yourselves to take in those rancid thoughts than it would be to not take them at all, which may be a very bold statement, right? And I, so one question what does body bio do to ensure that the supplements that are manufactured? Particularly the omega threes and the sixes that they that they are not rancid by the time the consumer gets them Yeah, so I can speak to our two specifically our two products the balance oil and the fish oil plus with that with that question in mind.
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So balance oil, like I said, is a blend of your omega 6 and your omega 3.
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You're getting those fats from safflower seeds and flax seeds.
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And so we are using, we are expeller pressing them, but at very cold or low temperatures.
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And so in doing so, we're preserving a lot of those delicate fats, their nutrient profile.
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And then as we are bottling it, we will seal it, of course.
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But we actually seal it with nitrogen.
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And so that will keep the liquid stable for about one year.
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So it has a one year shelf life.
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And then as soon as you take off that seal, Then that bottle is ideally good for about 10 weeks.
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So you should consume it within 10 weeks.
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I would recommend keeping that bottle, let's say refrigerated.
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And I don't necessarily treat it as a supplement.
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Like personally, I have balance oil in my fridge right now, but I will alternate it between, let's say, olive oil and The balance oil.
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So I'll use olive oil for one meal and then I'll just go back to balance oil.
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Maybe I will make a dressing out of it or a pesto or I'll throw it into a smoothie.
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You never want to cook with it, of course, right? Because that heat will destroy those fats.
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But that way I'm guaranteeing that I know my cells are getting the highest quality fats, and from a manufacturing perspective, we're doing everything that we can to ensure that those fats remain stable for at least, we can guarantee for up to a year.
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And then our official plus we are sourcing that I mentioned earlier from herring roe or caviar.
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Again we're using lower temperatures that.
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To source that, and we are not using any sort of chemical manipulation or any additional advanced techniques to alter the ratios, which can also disrupt the quality of the fats, and so there's a lot that goes into again, the sourcing and the manufacturing and with our both products, but especially with our fish oil, we want to be able to maintain like to what's basically as if you were eating caviar to be as close to that real source as possible.
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And that's what we really pride ourselves on.
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And are there any internal.
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testing or research that your company does to ensure that the product that they're making is actually helping patients, specifically women when it comes to fertility.
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and, or women who are, going through menopause.
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So we are actually just this year in the process of launching our clinical trials arm.
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So that is finally something after so many years that is finally underway.
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And as you're, you're deeply rooted in healthcare and you know that these trials, if I don't know if you've participated in clinical research before, but they take time.
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So we are finally starting that process and it's a matter of.
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A runway about 3 to 5 years before we will get to that end point of what would be a randomized control trial.
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But we are hoping that we can start to really validate our specific products.
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So there's already third party research, right? There's tons of papers in different journals that are already citing the benefits Of some of the products that we carry but now we want to validate our own like body bioformula.
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And I can't quite answer your question just yet, but if we were to touch base again in a couple of years, I'll be probably very excited to share what the latest advances.
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Perhaps you can talk about what others, what third parties have found with your formulas, perhaps you can share that again, not specific to our formulas, but it was specific.
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Got it.
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Our phospholipids, right? Yeah.
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So in terms of, body bio being a very reputable brand, we are exceptionally rooted in research.
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And so we have a really dense research library where all of our papers set substantiating the claims that we're making for each product.
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And if you had to give resources to women, in terms of if they wanted to do more reading about what you've just discussed, where would you point them to? First and foremost, I would point them to our website.
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Yeah, we have tons and tons of blogs that either I have personally written or that I've medically reviewed.
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We have a group of content writers though.
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So there's quite a bit of detail there going into various topics around women's health fertility menopause.
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And then outside of course, women's health too, but we're touching on let's say metabolic health or brain health.
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Liver health or affecting pediatrics or senior citizens.
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So there is a vast library on our website that I would encourage everyone to look at and review if this conversation sparked your interest.
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But beyond that I would say that lipid research or the science around lipids is unfortunately, it's still in its infancy, right? And it hasn't quite, Made its way into the spotlight, like the way that like blood sugar or amino acids and protein and all the other two macros have made their way into the spotlight.
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But there are if anyone is very curious, there are some journals that I periodically look at Deep in lipid research that again, if that piques your interest, I'm happy to forward that information to them, but that's where we're getting our intel at the moment.
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And then if you are looking to say, I want to find an integrative or functional medicine practitioner, someone that who utilizes body by our products and their practice, I would definitely recommend that they visit The IFM website, IFM being the Institute for Functional Medicine, that is the leading voice pioneering the education of functional medicine around the world.
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And they have a really nice directory where you can type in your location or you can type in what you are seeking support in.
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So in this case it could be women's health, right? And then they will pull up practitioners in your area.
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So what is your, and I'm asking this, more for our listeners than for myself what is your definition of functional medicine? I know what it is, and I refer to plenty of functional medicine doctors and other types of practitioners, but that is one question, believe it or not, that people are always confused about, especially when I'm like, I think you would benefit from seeing a functional medicine doctor.
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And I try to explain to them in the best way I can.
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But there seems to always be confusion.
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So maybe you can come up with the perfect definition.
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I've done other podcasts on functional medicine.
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So I don't know if That point has gotten across.
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I've been told that people are still feeling confused about what functional medicine is, so maybe you can stay what you're Definition of it is.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So my definition and again, it may not match like the official definition.
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Yes, I get my version of it is that we are really when you are seeing a functional medicine practitioner, that practitioners job, and their goal is to be able to help you from a Biochemical level, meaning that their job is to help get to the root of your issues.
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Oh, and then offer a more comprehensive approach in dealing with what those root causes may reveal.
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So it could be a combination of dietary strategies, lifestyle strategies, supplements, and even medication.
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Medication is not.
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ruled out by any means, but I think again it's going back to its judicious use.
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So if I probably can make more sense of it by giving an example, right? Let's say you have a female listener perhaps in her.
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Early thirties, she is looking to conceive perhaps in the next couple of years, but maybe her first priority is to understand why she has such heavy bleeding and so she will go, let's say, visit her OBGYN and most Conventionally trained OBGYNs, usually their first line of therapy would be to put that female again, if fertility is like not quite in the very near future would be to consider birth control as that primary option.
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And birth control is the perfect example of a type of medication where it's not necessarily Getting to the root of that, what that issue may be of why she is actually having heavy bleeding or have a heavy menstrual cycle.
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Rather it is quite literally turning off her own hormones, right? Her own estrogen production and her own progesterone production.
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And then you're following.
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The cycle of that medication versus if you were to go see an integrative or functional provider, that person may say, huh, okay, why don't we dig a little bit deeper? Why don't we do some exploratory testing? Let's look at your hormonal levels.
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Let's look at your thyroid and your inflammatory levels.
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Let's also look at your gut microbiome.
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And they, from there, may be able to piece together that you may have something known as estrogen, a hormonal imbalance known as estrogen dominance.
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But that is the state of imbalance that this female may have.
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And so then that jogs the mind even further to say, okay.
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Could their liver be involved, right? Because the liver is so deeply involved in detoxification of many things, but also your hormones.
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And so they're thinking perhaps we need to support her liver a little bit more.
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Maybe gut microbiome testing will show that there's some imbalance there as well, where there's more pathogen.
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And a lot of those bad guys may be leading to.
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An issue where she can't eliminate out her estrogen, right? And so you're starting to piece all these puzzle pieces together and that provider is recognizing that it's not just a one size fits all solution, that for this female, I need to come up with a bit more of a tailored plan.
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Again, Combining diet lifestyle, perhaps supplements to really look at how we can help her process her hormones more effectively, starting with the liver.
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And again, perhaps there are other body systems involved.
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Like her gut as well.
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And so that's a very long winded answer.
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Hopefully I did justice to your question, but I think you did.
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I really think you did because I think it's like a way, when patients come and say I want to know why.
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And I'm Trust me, I'm not the kind of practitioner who would say, okay, let's just immediately put you on an oral contraceptive Because you're having heavy bleeding I also want to know why and I don't like putting a band aid on things if I don't have to so my question is also why and Sometimes they come in asking why but their questions are not often answered and They're immediately taking an oral contraceptive.
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It may, somewhere down the road, they may end up taking an oral contraceptive anyway, right? So I'm not vilifying the doctor the gynecologist, or the oral contraceptive itself.
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But it's always important to understand why.
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Because I've been down this road in various ways, and my question is always why.
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Why am I having to take it? to do this? Why is this happening to my body? And so again, that's how I apply the same questions to my patients.
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So that was actually a fantastic explanation.
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And the next time someone asks me, I'm not necessarily giving them that standard answer.
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But, I'll give a short And quick way of saying, this is a quick way of understanding, what a functional medicine doctor would do versus someone who's more traditional.
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I think that women are, asking more questions.
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it's not just, related to menopause.
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I know menopause is very hot in the media right now.
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And I'm glad that women are approaching their physicians and asking about, what they can do to help themselves.
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But I see it with a lot of other women where they want to know, why they should be taking this, how it benefits them, what the risks are.
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So I'm definitely seeing that trend and I like it personally because I feel like people are more They want to take their health in their own command and not just rely on us, like what we tell them, like we're more partners.
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So I think, what you're speaking about really, would help women to understand how they can supplement and eat better and approach their health from a lifestyle point of view.
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I think we are moving towards that more and more.
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But as the constraints of medicine, we often don't have enough time to, talk about everything.
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Practitioners like you and people who have obviously studied the science deeply, I'm grateful for everything that you shared with us today, especially when it comes to the Omega 3 and the Omega 6 talk.
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That was really fascinating and I learned something from you today.
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My pleasure to jump on today and share with your audience.
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Is there anything that, we talked about a lot today is there anything that you would like to mention that we haven't talked about? I think I may have touched on this earlier, but the only thing I will wrap up with this thought is that health is absolutely a marathon, right? It's not a sprint.
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And so it's, it truly is those small, consistent, changes over time.
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Those small little changes add up.
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So rather than diving deep into like the next trend or the next sort of short term fix, I would just focus more on building like sustainable, healthy habits that can support you for the long term that can support you as you're looking to enhance your fertility all the way to when you are going through menopause, right? Those habits stay with you for life.
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So it truly boils down to what you're doing on a day to day basis.
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So I hope we can all take a minute to reflect on that and appreciate what these simple daily habits can do for us including what we're doing, what we're eating on a daily basis, drinking the exercise that we're doing.
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And then, of course, the supplements that we're taking.
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Yes, and if my listeners wanted to learn more about you, find more about Body Bio and what you do, where can they find you? They could look me up through body bio.
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I have a little bio on the website and through there they could connect with me over Instagram or through LinkedIn.
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Okay, fabulous.
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So I'll make sure to obviously share that on the show notes so that it makes it easier for my listeners to find you.
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Thank you so much for joining us today.
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It was a real pleasure talking with you and listening to you educate us about all the different things that can help keep us healthy.
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so much.
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It was a pleasure to be on.
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