Vagus Nerve Secrets: The Egg Device Every Woman Show Know About

🧠 Episode Summary: In this powerful episode, Dr. Soma interviews Celine Vignal, founder of Seesaw Health, about her personal journey with chronic migraines and how it inspired the creation of a cutting-edge women’s health tech company. Celine shares how her debilitating symptoms led to the development of Seesaw Health’s patented egg biosensor and breathwork app, which combine neuroscience-backed 0.1 Hz breathing techniques and real-time data to activate the vagus nerve and reduce inflammation.

Together, they explore how consistent breathwork can help regulate hormonal fluctuations, migraines, and menopausal symptoms—and why personalized, holistic tools are the future of women's health.

🕰️ Episode Breakdown: 00:00 – Introduction and Disclaimer 00:52 – Meet Celine Vignal and Seesaw Health 03:07 – Personal Journey with Chronic Migraines 05:35 – The Science Behind Seesaw Health 16:19 – Daily Use and Benefits of the Device 29:49 – Broader Applications and Future Plans 31:59 – Privacy and Data Security 36:03 – Conclusion and Contact Information

🌐 Learn More About Seesaw Health: Website: https://www.seesaw.health Instagram: @seesaw.health

🔗 Connect with Dr. Soma Mandal: Website: www.somamandalmd.com Instagram: @drsomamandal YouTube Channel: Soma Says Apple Podcasts: Soma Says Podcast

Episode Transcript

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Hi, this is Dr.

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Soma.
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Let's go to the show. 6 00:00:53,160.023 --> 00:01:05,130.023 Celine Al is the visionary founder behind Seesaw Health, a cutting edge women's health tech company, born from her own journey with chronic migraines and cyclical inflammation. 7 00:01:05,460.023 --> 00:01:08,520.023 Frustrated by unpredictable migraine flareups. 8 00:01:08,670.023 --> 00:01:15,60.023 Seline set out to create a solution and launch Seesaw Health to empower women to understand. 9 00:01:15,315.023 --> 00:01:20,535.023 Manage and rebalance their inflammation through breath work and realtime data. 10 00:01:20,865.023 --> 00:01:52,460.023 Her company's flagship product, a patented egg biosensor, paired with a gem Unified breath work app uses neuroscience backed point one hertz breathing to stimulate the vagus nerve, reduce inflammation and help women feel more in control of their health with years of r and d and a stellar team of women's health advisors, Seesaw Health delivers personalized tools that blend science, self-care, and empowerment. 11 00:01:52,910.023 --> 00:02:00,830.023 Recognized among Forbes Next 1001 of the 50 most influential French in the US saline. 12 00:02:01,230.023 --> 00:02:04,200.023 Lead CAW Health from Alpharetta, Georgia. 13 00:02:04,350.023 --> 00:02:09,930.023 Combining global marketing and product expertise with a deeply personal mission. 14 00:02:10,380.023 --> 00:02:11,310.023 Find your balance. 15 00:02:12,310.023 --> 00:02:14,410.023 So excited to talk with you today. 16 00:02:14,980.023 --> 00:02:15,100.023 Me too. 17 00:02:15,280.023 --> 00:02:19,720.023 I think you and I align in a lot of ways, as you probably know. 18 00:02:19,720.023 --> 00:02:22,60.023 I see a fair amount of women Yes. 19 00:02:22,60.023 --> 00:02:23,710.023 In practice and a lot of them. 20 00:02:24,110.023 --> 00:02:34,550.023 Come in with perimenopausal menopausal symptoms and other stuff like migraines and, things that are often chronic from them for them. 21 00:02:34,880.023 --> 00:02:35,240.023 Yes. 22 00:02:35,290.023 --> 00:02:39,955.023 So is your, is this app, is this device available yet? Yes. 23 00:02:39,955.023 --> 00:02:39,985.023 Okay. 24 00:02:39,985.023 --> 00:02:41,815.023 This is the device, I don't know if you can see it. 25 00:02:41,815.023 --> 00:02:42,55.023 Yeah. 26 00:02:42,175.023 --> 00:02:43,885.023 The egg with two sensors. 27 00:02:44,35.023 --> 00:02:44,365.023 Yep. 28 00:02:44,495.023 --> 00:02:46,385.023 And then we have the app that goes with it. 29 00:02:46,385.023 --> 00:02:48,965.023 And so it's in pre-ordering mode right now. 30 00:02:49,155.023 --> 00:02:51,525.023 It's gonna be available to ship in July. 31 00:02:51,825.023 --> 00:02:53,115.023 In July, okay. 32 00:02:53,355.023 --> 00:02:55,665.023 Tell us about it and how this was born. 33 00:02:55,665.023 --> 00:02:57,760.023 I know a little bit, but I wanted to share. 34 00:02:58,45.023 --> 00:03:06,995.023 Your story about, where you created this from and what it was like, in terms of your own health And how it helped you. 35 00:03:07,385.023 --> 00:03:07,505.023 Sure. 36 00:03:07,505.023 --> 00:03:11,285.023 It began really as a deep personal reason. 37 00:03:11,325.023 --> 00:03:11,535.023 Yeah. 38 00:03:11,695.023 --> 00:03:13,885.023 I was navigating chronic inflammation. 39 00:03:14,385.023 --> 00:03:17,265.023 So it was incredibly frustrating and isolating. 40 00:03:17,485.023 --> 00:03:24,625.023 For years I struggled with chronic migraines, inflammation, flares, and the rollercoaster of hormonal filtrations. 41 00:03:25,85.023 --> 00:03:34,975.023 Particularly during perimenopause, so no one seemed to understand what I was going through, and the treatments I tried were not giving me real relief, it was just like. 42 00:03:35,305.023 --> 00:03:39,135.023 I felt like I was being dismissed by the medical system. 43 00:03:39,345.023 --> 00:03:45,255.023 And I started to believe that I just had to live with it, which was very frustrating because it was horrible. 44 00:03:45,565.023 --> 00:03:48,85.023 But deep down I knew something had to be different. 45 00:03:48,425.023 --> 00:03:53,105.023 And I needed to find a way to make it better for myself and I believe for others. 46 00:03:53,105.023 --> 00:04:01,730.023 It really started one day that was really horrible in my bed once again battling, battling a migraine in, absolute darkness. 47 00:04:01,730.023 --> 00:04:04,430.023 I don't know if migraine, but you have to be in the dark. 48 00:04:04,680.023 --> 00:04:05,730.023 No noise. 49 00:04:05,760.023 --> 00:04:07,920.023 The least noise was unbearable. 50 00:04:07,920.023 --> 00:04:10,380.023 I couldn't even drink a sip of water. 51 00:04:10,380.023 --> 00:04:12,30.023 I couldn't do anything. 52 00:04:12,30.023 --> 00:04:13,20.023 You cannot even sleep. 53 00:04:13,120.023 --> 00:04:13,990.023 Pain is so hard. 54 00:04:13,990.023 --> 00:04:16,540.023 So at that moment, I realized, the. 55 00:04:16,965.023 --> 00:04:19,635.023 Conventional ways of managing my symptoms. 56 00:04:19,635.023 --> 00:04:20,625.023 Were not working. 57 00:04:20,675.023 --> 00:04:28,815.023 I've tried all kinds of medications, preventive or on the spot supplements, you have to take man zoom and all, it helps, but it's not, I. 58 00:04:29,340.023 --> 00:04:37,720.023 Consistent and and the lifestyle changes, trying to sleep well, et cetera, which is sometimes really hard, especially if you are, a full-time founder. 59 00:04:38,220.023 --> 00:04:44,430.023 So I kept hitting a wall and I got worried about the long term use of tryptan. 60 00:04:44,460.023 --> 00:04:46,530.023 So that's my medication, the triptans. 61 00:04:46,770.023 --> 00:04:51,360.023 And I was starting to get, rebound headaches, which is when the side effects are. 62 00:04:51,630.023 --> 00:05:00,975.023 They were more frequent and severe and so it was like a loop, taking medication, having rebound headaches got relief for a day and then it's coming back full speed the other day. 63 00:05:00,975.023 --> 00:05:07,845.023 So I was worried also about the cardiovascular risks, especially hitting the forties and beyond. 64 00:05:07,875.023 --> 00:05:12,435.023 It's really strong medication, so I was also getting really awful nausea. 65 00:05:13,310.023 --> 00:05:16,850.023 And I was kinda losing weight just because of that, so that I was really concerned. 66 00:05:17,420.023 --> 00:05:26,630.023 So I felt like I needed something that actually helped me understand my body in real time, and gave me the tools to actively manage my condition. 67 00:05:27,260.023 --> 00:05:35,30.023 So something that just didn't just mask the symptoms, but worked in my body's natural processes. 68 00:05:35,490.023 --> 00:05:41,100.023 I knew that migraine pain was linked to both inflammation and hormone fluctuation. 69 00:05:41,400.023 --> 00:05:45,540.023 So I could really feel the drop in estrogen before menstruation triggers. 70 00:05:45,850.023 --> 00:05:48,300.023 And that would, trigger my most severe migraines. 71 00:05:48,660.023 --> 00:05:52,650.023 So I connected with doctors and scientists friends of mine and. 72 00:05:53,455.023 --> 00:06:18,55.023 After I found out about new research on how the parasympathetic nervous system plays such a key role in regulating both inflammation and hormone release and with a dip in activity around ovulation, Your immune system is going down and your inflammation is going up, and your system needs to be very strong in terms of anti-inflammatory response and you have no tool to do that. 73 00:06:18,55.023 --> 00:06:20,935.023 There's no real medication that's gonna kick your anti-inflammatory system. 74 00:06:21,475.023 --> 00:06:22,705.023 Response when you need it. 75 00:06:23,335.023 --> 00:06:31,165.023 So I had been doing yoga and deep breathing for a decade at the time, and I knew firsthand how calming it could be. 76 00:06:31,165.023 --> 00:06:43,555.023 And at that point I got into neuroscience and we have a neuroscientist on board with the company and how controlled breathing could activate the parasympathetic system and boost the anti-inflammatory response. 77 00:06:43,635.023 --> 00:06:45,975.023 You don't know if you are doing it properly. 78 00:06:46,75.023 --> 00:06:54,435.023 You think you are doing it properly, but most of the time you are not triggering what you need to trigger to boost this anti implementary response. 79 00:06:54,565.023 --> 00:07:01,65.023 Looking at it in depth with a team of scientists and technologists, I then decided to create Seesaw Health. 80 00:07:01,345.023 --> 00:07:06,715.023 Because I found out that in order for breath work to actually deliver, it had to be done properly. 81 00:07:07,265.023 --> 00:07:11,165.023 The good old, like what you can't measure, you cannot manage, but it's exactly that. 82 00:07:11,990.023 --> 00:07:15,140.023 You needed to measure it to be able to manage it. 83 00:07:15,650.023 --> 00:07:20,270.023 So we spent years about three, four years of r and d on every aspect of it. 84 00:07:20,320.023 --> 00:07:32,400.023 Working on sensors and machine learning models, et cetera, to the point where I'm so happy now that we have built something that really could change lives in terms of boosting your onor formula response when you need to. 85 00:07:32,900.023 --> 00:07:38,270.023 Did you always have a pull towards the sciences, the biologic sciences? Oh, yeah. 86 00:07:38,540.023 --> 00:07:40,610.023 Do you have that background? No. 87 00:07:40,610.023 --> 00:07:46,430.023 So I do not have a background in medicine or biology, but it was really something I wanted to do. 88 00:07:46,535.023 --> 00:07:54,535.023 But I chose marketing and business development, but I've been, around so many doctors and scientists and that really now it's. 89 00:07:55,255.023 --> 00:07:57,145.023 It's impregnated in me. 90 00:07:57,145.023 --> 00:07:57,895.023 I can say that. 91 00:07:57,905.023 --> 00:08:02,575.023 I've I've looked at so many research and with our device we did a lot of, tons of, studies. 92 00:08:02,575.023 --> 00:08:07,145.023 So I really feel that in your body you have the response. 93 00:08:07,575.023 --> 00:08:13,325.023 You just need to find them and have the tool to be able to manage what your body can do. 94 00:08:13,455.023 --> 00:08:14,995.023 Yeah, in healing, that's Sure. 95 00:08:15,100.023 --> 00:08:15,460.023 Yeah. 96 00:08:15,740.023 --> 00:08:16,580.023 I can relate. 97 00:08:16,680.023 --> 00:08:20,80.023 I was wearing a device, a A glucometer. 98 00:08:20,150.023 --> 00:08:24,650.023 and I was noticing that my morning sugars were just a lit tad high. 99 00:08:25,280.023 --> 00:08:30,570.023 And I was like, okay, what? And I realized that it was like that cortisol effect that goes up. 100 00:08:30,690.023 --> 00:08:33,640.023 However, that being said, it's consistent. 101 00:08:33,670.023 --> 00:08:45,310.023 And so what can I do to help it not in that diabetic range high, but in, 1 0 3, 1 0 2, whatever, right? And then the rest of my sugars were all normal through throughout the day. 102 00:08:45,820.023 --> 00:08:54,920.023 So based on that data, I decided to do some daily meditation and also some deep breathing. 103 00:08:55,310.023 --> 00:08:55,490.023 Yep. 104 00:08:55,550.023 --> 00:09:00,680.023 And it helped with my blood sugars, my morning blood sugars. 105 00:09:00,740.023 --> 00:09:01,400.023 Absolutely. 106 00:09:01,400.023 --> 00:09:01,460.023 Yeah. 107 00:09:01,670.023 --> 00:09:02,870.023 And nobody asked me to do it. 108 00:09:02,870.023 --> 00:09:05,480.023 It was just something I realized that Exactly. 109 00:09:05,540.023 --> 00:09:08,900.023 I think if I do this will actually help me throughout the day. 110 00:09:09,180.023 --> 00:09:18,750.023 We always think about the monks and in the meditation how they are able to, really calm themselves and being in a state of, mind where your body's really in sync. 111 00:09:18,815.023 --> 00:09:21,875.023 With your brain, and, but it's not, a who or magic. 112 00:09:21,875.023 --> 00:09:24,55.023 It's truly scientifically proven. 113 00:09:24,55.023 --> 00:09:26,985.023 It's how your body is, managing your nervous system. 114 00:09:27,325.023 --> 00:09:30,675.023 Breath work, as it's, has a big, it's a big word. 115 00:09:31,605.023 --> 00:09:36,65.023 A lot of people they do breath work, but they don't really know why or what it does exactly. 116 00:09:36,65.023 --> 00:09:37,625.023 They know it's good for them, but. 117 00:09:37,645.023 --> 00:09:39,685.023 They don't know how to do it properly. 118 00:09:39,685.023 --> 00:09:50,115.023 For example what I discovered is that many chronic conditions, especially those affecting women, involve an inflammatory response that isn't always addressed by conventional medicine. 119 00:09:50,435.023 --> 00:09:57,95.023 I realized that the nervous system and inflammation were key players that have been largely overlooked by treatment plans. 120 00:09:57,485.023 --> 00:10:04,355.023 And as you mentioned, it is often the case with many chronic conditions where doctors rely on specific medications only. 121 00:10:04,785.023 --> 00:10:20,105.023 I heard so many stories of women with, you mentioned endometriosis, PCOS, fibromyalgia, that have been, dismissed their symptoms, they don't take into account the whole body brain connection, It's always about medication, But you are hitting a wall for some time. 122 00:10:20,105.023 --> 00:10:24,685.023 unfortunately the Western medicine it's often a bandaid. 123 00:10:24,685.023 --> 00:10:27,145.023 Not that I don't practice western medicine. 124 00:10:27,145.023 --> 00:10:28,195.023 I do absolutely. 125 00:10:28,235.023 --> 00:10:30,755.023 But why is this happening? Yes. 126 00:10:30,815.023 --> 00:10:35,205.023 What can we do to prevent this? Okay, maybe we need medication. 127 00:10:35,755.023 --> 00:10:46,945.023 what is the body trying to signal to us? Unfortunately the medical schools, I don't know if it's changed 'cause it's been like eon since I've been a medical student. 128 00:10:47,275.023 --> 00:10:50,825.023 But, it's not often, taught in that way. 129 00:10:50,825.023 --> 00:10:51,965.023 It's okay, this is happening. 130 00:10:51,965.023 --> 00:10:54,645.023 You give this medication you, this is happening. 131 00:10:54,645.023 --> 00:10:56,835.023 You, this is what you prescribe. 132 00:10:57,245.023 --> 00:11:06,555.023 I think we are becoming more aware of that, at least certain doctors are, and we're trying to change, but it's very difficult in the system that we're practicing in. 133 00:11:06,985.023 --> 00:11:09,205.023 That's a whole other conversation. 134 00:11:09,685.023 --> 00:11:10,315.023 No, I agree. 135 00:11:10,315.023 --> 00:11:11,635.023 I absolutely agree with that. 136 00:11:11,685.023 --> 00:11:30,465.023 The past almost, I would say years, I mean past three years after COVID, I think women started really, advocating for themselves and they were trying to find ways of wait, there are other ways, than medication that I can, do something for myself just to recenter myself, for example. 137 00:11:30,465.023 --> 00:11:33,965.023 Or when you have, panic attack or depression or stress. 138 00:11:34,175.023 --> 00:11:43,215.023 'cause COVID was a big stressor, right? And people were like, okay, I need to do something, that would heal myself, but naturally, or, in a less conventional way. 139 00:11:43,465.023 --> 00:11:44,795.023 And I think that really pushed. 140 00:11:45,320.023 --> 00:11:51,850.023 Women especially to look at, different aspects of health and holistic ways of treating their symptoms. 141 00:11:52,350.023 --> 00:12:00,400.023 This is particularly attractive, not just for my patients, but for myself because I feel it, we, it can go in many ways. 142 00:12:00,400.023 --> 00:12:04,180.023 So we were talking about western medicine and prescribing medication. 143 00:12:04,450.023 --> 00:12:04,510.023 Yeah. 144 00:12:04,510.023 --> 00:12:06,910.023 Often I have times where patients come in. 145 00:12:07,450.023 --> 00:12:14,850.023 And they've seen an alternative specialist, and this is not a criticism, it's just but then they come in with 15 different supplements. 146 00:12:14,910.023 --> 00:12:15,540.023 Yeah, I know. 147 00:12:15,640.023 --> 00:12:25,960.023 So I'm like, okay, so we've traded the traditional medicines for for vitamins and supplements, and I'm not entirely sure that they're always feeling better either. 148 00:12:26,635.023 --> 00:12:33,719.023 Again, it's not a, it's not an entire criticism, but then you have to wonder I question things a lot. 149 00:12:33,749.023 --> 00:12:47,444.023 Okay, where, how is this helping? How is being on magnesium and this and that and all sorts of stuff, how is that actually helping? And I'm not necessarily sure I always get, I'm feeling a whole lot better no, I agree. 150 00:12:47,474.023 --> 00:12:47,764.023 Yeah. 151 00:12:49,244.023 --> 00:12:53,684.023 It's just coming back from, if you cannot measure it, you cannot really manage it. 152 00:12:53,724.023 --> 00:13:08,364.023 It's difficult to measure the effect of supplements, for example, because maybe feeling better, but are you really, is it the placebo effect or is it really something in the magnesium that's really doing something in your bloodstream? You need proof. 153 00:13:08,494.023 --> 00:13:12,274.023 And you cannot do a blood test every day to see if it's better. 154 00:13:12,484.023 --> 00:13:12,784.023 No. 155 00:13:12,834.023 --> 00:13:19,554.023 And that was really something we wanted to have with this sensors, like with the two sensors, and we have a patent on that one. 156 00:13:19,944.023 --> 00:13:25,374.023 You really, you are measuring the effects on your breath work on your body and your system. 157 00:13:25,434.023 --> 00:13:27,604.023 It's just not oh, I think I'm feeling better. 158 00:13:27,604.023 --> 00:13:29,504.023 No, we're telling you, yeah. 159 00:13:29,504.023 --> 00:13:33,764.023 It does something to your system or not if you're not being, doing your breath work properly. 160 00:13:34,274.023 --> 00:13:38,454.023 It may not be good, it will show like your boost would not gonna be the same. 161 00:13:39,174.023 --> 00:13:54,934.023 So tell us about how the seesaw egg works how it affects the vagus nerve and the parasympathetic system and that, and how that in turn affects inflammation in the body and how it helps women specifically to feel better. 162 00:13:55,249.023 --> 00:13:55,459.023 Yeah. 163 00:13:55,669.023 --> 00:13:56,869.023 So tell us about that. 164 00:13:57,49.023 --> 00:13:57,499.023 Sure. 165 00:13:57,749.023 --> 00:14:04,519.023 So what we did with the sensor and the app we're guiding you to attain a 0.1 166 00:14:04,519.023 --> 00:14:06,349.023 hertz breathing frequency. 167 00:14:06,649.023 --> 00:14:09,199.023 So why this 0.1 168 00:14:09,199.023 --> 00:14:12,589.023 hertz breathing frequency, so breathing at 0.1 169 00:14:12,589.023 --> 00:14:13,639.023 hertz or it's. 170 00:14:13,639.023 --> 00:14:15,304.023 Six breath a minute. 171 00:14:15,334.023 --> 00:14:21,664.023 So usually when you breathe on a normal, normal setting, you breathe at approximately 12 breath a minute. 172 00:14:21,844.023 --> 00:14:24,814.023 So doing six breath a minute is like you, you slow. 173 00:14:24,814.023 --> 00:14:27,94.023 Really, you're slowing down your breathing rate. 174 00:14:27,94.023 --> 00:14:38,494.023 So it's incredibly powerful because it's the optimal rate for stimulating the parasympathetic nervous system, which help help us the rest and digest mode. 175 00:14:38,779.023 --> 00:14:41,509.023 I'm sure your audience know the parasympathetic and the sympathetic. 176 00:14:41,509.023 --> 00:14:48,914.023 So the flight or flight when you are stressed and the Restent Digest when you need to, calm your nervous system. 177 00:14:48,914.023 --> 00:14:51,174.023 So this frequency of 0.1 178 00:14:51,174.023 --> 00:14:53,154.023 hertz activates the vagus nerve. 179 00:14:53,214.023 --> 00:14:59,574.023 So the vagus nerve that you have here is a key player in regulating inflammation and calm the body. 180 00:14:59,904.023 --> 00:15:07,4.023 So usually when you talk about vagus nerve, you talk about, anxiety regulation or in calm effect for the stress. 181 00:15:07,104.023 --> 00:15:13,74.023 But what it does really, the vagus nerve is actually a mediator of your anti-inflammatory response. 182 00:15:13,124.023 --> 00:15:15,134.023 So in fact, what 0.1, 183 00:15:15,134.023 --> 00:15:18,944.023 her breathing triggers is the release of acetylcholine. 184 00:15:19,514.023 --> 00:15:20,869.023 It's a neurotransmitter. 185 00:15:21,249.023 --> 00:15:29,789.023 That helps suppress the inflammatory cytokines in your body, so it allows the body to regulate the immune function more effectively. 186 00:15:30,299.023 --> 00:15:30,539.023 Yeah. 187 00:15:30,569.023 --> 00:15:36,759.023 So when you breathe at this space, you're sending a signal to your body that it's safe to relax and heal. 188 00:15:36,759.023 --> 00:15:45,239.023 Okay? So this not only reduces inflammation but also hours stress hormones and improve and improves overall wellness. 189 00:15:45,239.023 --> 00:15:56,759.023 So something personally experience, when I use breath work to manage my migraines, it's like something that I can really rely on to calm the pain and calm the anxiety because. 190 00:15:57,84.023 --> 00:15:59,634.023 Sometimes the anxiety is worse than the pain. 191 00:15:59,664.023 --> 00:16:02,784.023 Not worse, but as critical as the pain. 192 00:16:02,814.023 --> 00:16:09,714.023 'cause you're so anxious of the pain, you're gonna feel that your, your body is in full emergency mode. 193 00:16:10,44.023 --> 00:16:17,974.023 So being able to trigger your acetylcholine and your unin response really gonna calm your nervous system. 194 00:16:19,24.023 --> 00:16:27,914.023 And is this something that you recommend using on a daily basis or when you are, let's say having auras for a migraine or exactly. 195 00:16:27,914.023 --> 00:16:30,224.023 How does it work? Yes it's a great question. 196 00:16:30,224.023 --> 00:16:33,194.023 So I got this question all the time, and it's the greatest question. 197 00:16:33,194.023 --> 00:16:41,264.023 So ideally you would have to use it every day because it's as critical, as powerful as really. 198 00:16:41,764.023 --> 00:16:45,544.023 For example, every day you're not gonna eat fast food or gorge on sugar. 199 00:16:45,544.023 --> 00:16:55,329.023 you know that You need to brush your teeth, not because you're gonna have, tooth thickened one day, but because if you don't brush your teeth, every day the two, the tooth decades is gonna come. 200 00:16:55,509.023 --> 00:16:56,199.023 Same here. 201 00:16:56,814.023 --> 00:16:59,784.023 You as a proactive way of doing it. 202 00:16:59,784.023 --> 00:17:07,134.023 You wanna do it every day to really have your body in a great state of, calmness and to really regulate your nervous system. 203 00:17:07,824.023 --> 00:17:13,104.023 But you also can, and you have to do it on an onset of a flare. 204 00:17:13,134.023 --> 00:17:17,994.023 For example, when I feel the migraines coming, I'm gonna do my breath work or after a flare. 205 00:17:17,994.023 --> 00:17:19,344.023 And that's very important here. 206 00:17:19,644.023 --> 00:17:34,214.023 What we recommend a lot is do it as a recovery of a flare because your vagal tone it's gonna be really low after a flare, and you need to boost your vagus nerve and your inflammatory system after a flare. 207 00:17:34,529.023 --> 00:17:39,574.023 To recover better, to have less flare or less, strong of a flare. 208 00:17:41,144.023 --> 00:17:59,954.023 in your experience as someone who's a migraine sufferer how long, when you are having a migraine, first, how long does it take to recover from the migraine using this device and has it, I know that this is anecdotal obviously, but has it cut down your migraine episodes? I get that too. 209 00:17:59,954.023 --> 00:18:00,314.023 A lot. 210 00:18:00,344.023 --> 00:18:01,694.023 so now I do it every day. 211 00:18:01,834.023 --> 00:18:06,644.023 And now we have a system on the app where you have streaks actually you need to do. 212 00:18:06,644.023 --> 00:18:09,974.023 So we analyze your data and we have your baseline. 213 00:18:10,274.023 --> 00:18:17,744.023 So when you take the egg, we can analyze like, how is your flareup? And we actually ask you questions about your flareup. 214 00:18:17,814.023 --> 00:18:18,924.023 The pain level. 215 00:18:18,954.023 --> 00:18:22,314.023 Are you on your period and have you taken medication, et cetera. 216 00:18:22,314.023 --> 00:18:32,644.023 So we can really baseline your data and we can tell you how many breath work you should do and what kind of level of anti response you can hope for that therapy. 217 00:18:32,994.023 --> 00:18:44,384.023 So it's very important to do it, on the onset of a flareup and maybe during, if you can, and after, so that we have a lot of, data on your system at different phases of your flareup. 218 00:18:44,894.023 --> 00:18:55,674.023 So when we have that after a few weeks, even months we get very great in terms of guiding you to do how many breath work you should do a day To prevent flare up or manage that better. 219 00:18:55,674.023 --> 00:19:00,354.023 So on my, for my case as soon as I get an onset, I will do at least one game. 220 00:19:00,354.023 --> 00:19:01,714.023 So the sessions are games. 221 00:19:01,714.023 --> 00:19:05,964.023 You play with your breath only so that you really focusing on the breath work. 222 00:19:06,204.023 --> 00:19:11,474.023 you are not mind wandering, you have to be focused on your breath work to be able to these, 0.1, 223 00:19:11,474.023 --> 00:19:11,984.023 her greater. 224 00:19:12,4.023 --> 00:19:12,294.023 yeah. 225 00:19:13,219.023 --> 00:19:15,79.023 It's not something you do casually. 226 00:19:15,79.023 --> 00:19:19,249.023 It has to be something you like, you are engaged with it and that's when it's successful. 227 00:19:19,249.023 --> 00:19:21,894.023 So we made them as a game. 228 00:19:21,894.023 --> 00:19:26,994.023 You have to play with your breath for three minutes and it's 20 cycles of inhaling and exhaling. 229 00:19:27,619.023 --> 00:19:31,29.023 At a specific pace so that you attain this 0.1 230 00:19:31,89.023 --> 00:19:34,189.023 breathing and after each breath work we give you your results. 231 00:19:34,339.023 --> 00:19:37,489.023 So you know, if you have been able to attain this 0.1 232 00:19:37,489.023 --> 00:19:38,59.023 horse breathing. 233 00:19:38,509.023 --> 00:19:39,19.023 Okay. 234 00:19:39,659.023 --> 00:19:43,29.023 And obviously these are, things that you are measuring. 235 00:19:43,484.023 --> 00:19:43,704.023 Yes. 236 00:19:43,704.023 --> 00:19:51,669.023 Are you actually grading people in terms of what they can do better? Yes it's a great question. 237 00:19:51,669.023 --> 00:19:53,619.023 So we don't really grade people. 238 00:19:53,619.023 --> 00:19:54,969.023 We grade the flare up. 239 00:19:55,59.023 --> 00:19:57,9.023 Okay? We grade the anti-inflammatory response. 240 00:19:57,249.023 --> 00:19:58,989.023 So we can then, okay. 241 00:19:58,989.023 --> 00:20:01,459.023 Today your anti implement response, for example is low. 242 00:20:01,549.023 --> 00:20:05,559.023 So you cannot, target or reach a goal that is unattainable. 243 00:20:06,459.023 --> 00:20:26,349.023 So we're gonna give you maybe three breath work to do at this at this level, maybe, lower level that you would do without a flare up, or if you wanna do just like a how do you call that? If you were doing like a neuroplasticity session, it really depends on your data when you do the flare up and so we've been talking about migraines. 244 00:20:26,589.023 --> 00:20:26,679.023 Yeah. 245 00:20:26,759.023 --> 00:20:32,519.023 A lot of women I know who are listening to this podcast will be wondering how can it help me with my. 246 00:20:33,244.023 --> 00:20:34,654.023 Perimenopausal symptoms. 247 00:20:34,654.023 --> 00:20:39,724.023 My menopausal symptoms when I'm feeling crazy when I'm having hot flashes and night sweats. 248 00:20:40,334.023 --> 00:20:40,964.023 What do you tell. 249 00:20:41,294.023 --> 00:20:46,254.023 Your customers about how it can help them? Midlife, yes. 250 00:20:46,534.023 --> 00:20:46,744.023 We know it. 251 00:20:47,569.023 --> 00:20:49,719.023 So it's a time of significant change. 252 00:20:49,719.023 --> 00:20:53,969.023 So hormonal situations, stress, hot flashes mood swing. 253 00:20:54,279.023 --> 00:20:58,29.023 It's a new health challenge, so it can take a toll on the body and the nervous system. 254 00:20:58,79.023 --> 00:21:04,659.023 As a nervous system coach by helping women regulate their autonomic nervous system through personalized breath work. 255 00:21:04,709.023 --> 00:21:06,614.023 And what we found out too is that. 256 00:21:07,189.023 --> 00:21:13,639.023 When you're on perimenopause and when you have hot flashes, your vagus nerve and your vagal tone is actually low. 257 00:21:13,689.023 --> 00:21:16,359.023 So you really need to kick that up. 258 00:21:16,714.023 --> 00:21:21,339.023 to lower the frequency and the intensity of the hot flashes, for example. 259 00:21:21,339.023 --> 00:21:23,239.023 And it's actually a medical study on that. 260 00:21:23,239.023 --> 00:21:24,769.023 So it's really important. 261 00:21:24,769.023 --> 00:21:26,869.023 It's not just, oh, I'm gonna do breath work, it's gonna help me. 262 00:21:26,869.023 --> 00:21:28,519.023 No, it's really important. 263 00:21:28,699.023 --> 00:21:28,939.023 It's. 264 00:21:28,939.023 --> 00:21:30,399.023 Scientifically proven. 265 00:21:30,759.023 --> 00:21:39,259.023 When you have your vagal tone that is low, you need to do those breath work, and it's actually more efficient than electrical stimulation. 266 00:21:39,259.023 --> 00:21:44,49.023 So I don't know if you've seen, the different ways you can trigger your vagus nerve. 267 00:21:44,359.023 --> 00:21:48,479.023 So there's some, tools with that do electrical stimulation. 268 00:21:48,849.023 --> 00:21:52,569.023 So you can place it on your vagus nerve, for example, for 30 minutes. 269 00:21:52,569.023 --> 00:21:54,129.023 You have to hold it, et cetera. 270 00:21:54,549.023 --> 00:21:59,819.023 And there's some studies that shows I think it's triple the effect when you do breath work. 271 00:22:00,179.023 --> 00:22:00,509.023 Okay. 272 00:22:00,599.023 --> 00:22:01,919.023 Breath work really works for that. 273 00:22:02,909.023 --> 00:22:05,219.023 So it's interesting the approach you take. 274 00:22:05,219.023 --> 00:22:14,469.023 'cause often in the world of midlife, We think about all the vasomotor symptoms, like hot flashes, night sweats as something hormonal. 275 00:22:14,469.023 --> 00:22:19,169.023 And I'm not saying that it's not clearly there, there's a reason why this is happening. 276 00:22:19,329.023 --> 00:22:22,699.023 But we often don't think of how it's actually. 277 00:22:23,164.023 --> 00:22:25,384.023 Affecting the nervous system. 278 00:22:25,684.023 --> 00:22:35,274.023 So we think about it affects the brain, The heart and everything else, but all the different vagal nerve, the parasympathetic system. 279 00:22:36,324.023 --> 00:22:38,664.023 I don't hear too much talk about that. 280 00:22:39,54.023 --> 00:22:39,624.023 No. 281 00:22:39,684.023 --> 00:22:42,154.023 And again, there's this, I don't know this. 282 00:22:42,964.023 --> 00:22:50,554.023 Ways that the medical systems just don't really realize the connection between the nervous system and the body and mind connection. 283 00:22:50,554.023 --> 00:22:54,534.023 It's always, either blood related, or medication related. 284 00:22:54,534.023 --> 00:22:59,844.023 But hormonal symptoms are often tied to nervous system imbalances and low vagal tone. 285 00:22:59,844.023 --> 00:23:02,304.023 The vagus nerve is not reacting the proper way. 286 00:23:02,304.023 --> 00:23:06,204.023 So when we experience filtrations in hormones, especially during midlife. 287 00:23:06,564.023 --> 00:23:12,624.023 The body stress response system becomes more sensitive, which can, worsen the symptoms. 288 00:23:12,624.023 --> 00:23:19,824.023 So I believe we need to talk about, these issues in a more integrated way, acknowledging the mind body connection for sure. 289 00:23:20,34.023 --> 00:23:23,214.023 And the way the nervous system hormones and inflammation interacts. 290 00:23:23,214.023 --> 00:23:25,254.023 So hormonal imbalances are not just. 291 00:23:25,569.023 --> 00:23:31,659.023 Endocrine issues, but they're often the signal that their nervous system is troubling to maintain balance. 292 00:23:31,659.023 --> 00:23:39,274.023 And that's why the name of Seesaw, Seesaw Health, because we need to balance this nervous system. 293 00:23:39,274.023 --> 00:23:41,194.023 And most of the time it is overlooked. 294 00:23:41,674.023 --> 00:23:48,389.023 And it should be the first line of reaction because it's simple and it doesn't have any side effects. 295 00:23:48,749.023 --> 00:23:49,559.023 it's in your body. 296 00:23:49,559.023 --> 00:23:53,249.023 You just need to know how to trigger it properly so that it has a real effect. 297 00:23:53,629.023 --> 00:23:55,614.023 So yeah, that was the core mission. 298 00:23:55,644.023 --> 00:23:57,354.023 It is the core mission with Cecil Health. 299 00:23:57,854.023 --> 00:23:59,744.023 How did you come about. 300 00:24:00,284.023 --> 00:24:06,504.023 Realizing that or integrating that as a main part of the device. 301 00:24:06,504.023 --> 00:24:15,14.023 Is that something that you worked with a scientist who had already caught onto that and had done research on that previously? Yes. 302 00:24:15,299.023 --> 00:24:21,729.023 we worked a lot with neuroscientists and women's health doctors that were looking at different, brain body connections. 303 00:24:22,29.023 --> 00:24:30,549.023 And then how the vagal tone and the vagus nerve is so important for women because there are so many hormonal, effects on the vagal tone. 304 00:24:30,859.023 --> 00:24:31,579.023 it's overlooked. 305 00:24:31,579.023 --> 00:24:35,389.023 It's not something that is really out there. 306 00:24:35,454.023 --> 00:24:45,144.023 But it's very important to know, Women are not empowered, they are not educated about their hormones, about, menstrual cycles, et cetera. 307 00:24:45,174.023 --> 00:24:52,734.023 We're still struggling trying to educate women about their menstrual cycles, which should be, something really easy to teach. 308 00:24:53,234.023 --> 00:25:02,974.023 And beyond that, beyond just the biology of it, there is also the nervous system part of it that is very important to know, but it's, something that is absolutely not. 309 00:25:03,259.023 --> 00:25:04,229.023 Taught at all. 310 00:25:04,729.023 --> 00:25:06,199.023 Educational part is very important. 311 00:25:07,219.023 --> 00:25:15,644.023 how is women's health different in France? Versus America when it comes to some of the issues that we're talking about right now. 312 00:25:15,704.023 --> 00:25:23,404.023 Oh, that's a great question and I don't wanna be too political it is just women's health I would say is really it is getting there. 313 00:25:23,464.023 --> 00:25:23,764.023 Okay. 314 00:25:23,764.023 --> 00:25:25,444.023 It's, it was, I think was always. 315 00:25:26,779.023 --> 00:25:37,429.023 There compared to America, I believe, but I think now symptoms and women's are more listened to and they're really advocate advocating for their symptoms. 316 00:25:37,429.023 --> 00:25:39,109.023 For example, endometriosis. 317 00:25:39,189.023 --> 00:25:47,189.023 Now there's a law so that women can have, paid leaves every month for their endo flares, for example, or their PMS flares. 318 00:25:47,529.023 --> 00:25:52,969.023 I think, I believe it's three or five days a month that are paid for those specific symptoms. 319 00:25:53,399.023 --> 00:25:59,959.023 So it's really, people, women's are voicing out a lot more in France than in the US I would say for the health. 320 00:26:00,409.023 --> 00:26:06,879.023 There are more laws and more education around women, the women's body, it's less taboo. 321 00:26:06,929.023 --> 00:26:11,799.023 I would say it's more something that is considered normal and natural. 322 00:26:11,799.023 --> 00:26:13,299.023 And, a body is a body. 323 00:26:13,489.023 --> 00:26:17,254.023 You can absolutely breastfeed in public those kind of things. 324 00:26:17,354.023 --> 00:26:24,314.023 So I think in America maybe women needs to, step up a bit more, but it seems difficult and it really depends. 325 00:26:24,314.023 --> 00:26:31,564.023 And there's so many hurdles in America, I would say at state level, federal level, et cetera. 326 00:26:31,754.023 --> 00:26:34,644.023 In France it's a more homogeneous system. 327 00:26:35,274.023 --> 00:26:36,864.023 So I think it's easier. 328 00:26:36,934.023 --> 00:26:38,974.023 But we still, have to have our battles. 329 00:26:39,884.023 --> 00:26:40,424.023 Yes. 330 00:26:40,424.023 --> 00:26:48,654.023 I think there is more, despite of, yes, I avoid the politics on this podcast as well, but I think there is more of a movement here. 331 00:26:48,874.023 --> 00:26:55,924.023 I definitely have more women who are coming in with questions or sending me messages through the portal. 332 00:26:55,924.023 --> 00:27:02,404.023 I'm feeling X, y, Z and I wanted to talk about this, and I actually do a lot of women's advocacy. 333 00:27:02,454.023 --> 00:27:08,959.023 I talk about it and coach women on how to approach and advocate for themselves. 334 00:27:09,139.023 --> 00:27:17,719.023 So I'm seeing more of that than before, definitely before COVID, and definitely more than 10 years ago. 335 00:27:17,749.023 --> 00:27:20,219.023 So I think things are changing. 336 00:27:20,219.023 --> 00:27:21,299.023 Unfortunately. 337 00:27:21,629.023 --> 00:27:27,549.023 There's also a lot of other things that are changing which, which make it a challenge. 338 00:27:27,969.023 --> 00:27:29,859.023 Going along that theme. 339 00:27:29,909.023 --> 00:27:36,299.023 As someone who is an entrepreneur myself, I know that not all things come easily. 340 00:27:36,629.023 --> 00:28:04,699.023 So what kind of things when you were developing this app this device, what kind of things flowed very naturally and what other things met resistance Can you describe that process to us? As we were talking about, it's traditional women's health tech fintech's, the one size fits all approach and it's not always designed with the unique, needs of women in mind. 341 00:28:04,749.023 --> 00:28:11,169.023 For example, many health devices don't account for the situation is in hormones that women experience throughout their lives. 342 00:28:11,569.023 --> 00:28:16,669.023 Nor do they prioritize nervous system regulation as we do, which is critical for women's wellbeing. 343 00:28:16,719.023 --> 00:28:29,689.023 See cell health is different because we've taken a biological approach that focuses on hormonal fluctuations and the nervous system, both of which plays a huge role in inflammation, chronic pain, and overall health. 344 00:28:29,689.023 --> 00:28:42,189.023 For instance, at the start of each breathwork session ask about the level of discomfort or pain, the type of flare any nont triggers and whether menstruation is occurring. 345 00:28:42,504.023 --> 00:28:46,444.023 So we can tailor our breath work recommendations accordingly. 346 00:28:46,524.023 --> 00:28:50,509.023 Based on that and by the way it's called the egg for a reason. 347 00:28:51,9.023 --> 00:28:54,949.023 our immune system gets most down-regulated around ovulation. 348 00:28:55,304.023 --> 00:28:57,914.023 it's also a full form factor and it's just huge. 349 00:28:58,414.023 --> 00:29:03,424.023 we collaborated with neuroscientists who understood the science behind what I was trying to do. 350 00:29:03,764.023 --> 00:29:09,59.023 there was some initial resistance to the idea of combining breath work with real time data. 351 00:29:09,619.023 --> 00:29:23,124.023 Some people question whether breath work could really have a measurable effect on the body's inflammation levels, but, there's hundreds of research from very reputable universities and hospitals that proves the 0.1 352 00:29:23,124.023 --> 00:29:25,494.023 house breathing actually work on the nervous system. 353 00:29:26,274.023 --> 00:29:35,74.023 So the science is there and it's exciting to see, more doctors and researchers embracing our approach because it's actually scientifically proven. 354 00:29:35,794.023 --> 00:29:37,474.023 So what, yeah. 355 00:29:37,864.023 --> 00:29:38,464.023 Migraine. 356 00:29:38,514.023 --> 00:29:45,64.023 As I was starting to learn about your device, I immediately thought of migraines, believe it or not even knowing that's how. 357 00:29:45,374.023 --> 00:29:46,214.023 It came about. 358 00:29:46,214.023 --> 00:29:46,274.023 Yeah. 359 00:29:46,564.023 --> 00:29:48,844.023 I thought about perimenopause and menopause. 360 00:29:49,204.023 --> 00:29:56,804.023 What other conditions do you think this would help with? Or has it helped with? Yeah, very good question. 361 00:29:56,804.023 --> 00:30:06,194.023 It, so I call it, the anti-inflammatory coach because what it does, it actually boost your anin inflammatory response. 362 00:30:06,194.023 --> 00:30:09,194.023 So anybody, any woman who has. 363 00:30:10,649.023 --> 00:30:16,19.023 Inflammation, chronic conditions and need a boost in anti-inflammatory response. 364 00:30:16,19.023 --> 00:30:20,219.023 And I'm, I don't wanna say everyone, but almost. 365 00:30:20,299.023 --> 00:30:26,149.023 But really the ones that really, resonate the most with are, endometriosis. 366 00:30:26,474.023 --> 00:30:31,144.023 Migraines, perimenopause, fibromyalgia rs, ra ms. 367 00:30:31,334.023 --> 00:30:38,144.023 There is, all kind of chronic conditions that really would benefit from an anti-inflammatory boost on a daily basis. 368 00:30:38,534.023 --> 00:30:47,74.023 And most of the women I talk to, they know that because they have done their own research even though they have chronic conditions for, years. 369 00:30:47,449.023 --> 00:30:56,809.023 They have to do their own research on their disease, and they have to, educate themselves on how they can, feel better and not rely only on medication. 370 00:30:57,199.023 --> 00:31:04,639.023 And so most of the time they do have, the essential oils, the heat pad meditation, yoga, et cetera. 371 00:31:04,639.023 --> 00:31:07,969.023 But breath work is always something, oh yeah, I need to do it. 372 00:31:07,969.023 --> 00:31:10,249.023 I know it's good, but. 373 00:31:10,684.023 --> 00:31:16,914.023 I don't know how to do it, or it's boring or, I get distracted so I don't see the benefit right away, or that kind of stuff. 374 00:31:16,914.023 --> 00:31:21,934.023 So that's where we put breath work at top on top of the list with this, because, it's convenient. 375 00:31:21,934.023 --> 00:31:26,254.023 It's in your phone, you just have a little device, you do your breath work and you know what you're being doing. 376 00:31:26,254.023 --> 00:31:34,414.023 So to really answer your question, I would say anybody that has, fluctuations of inflammation linked to hormonal conditions. 377 00:31:34,909.023 --> 00:31:40,949.023 Or just, the stress of life and you feel you have lows and downs more than you should. 378 00:31:41,309.023 --> 00:31:42,449.023 It's a great tool. 379 00:31:44,519.023 --> 00:31:48,60.023 And you said that this is coming out in July, so Yes. 380 00:31:48,114.023 --> 00:31:53,684.023 So right now it's at 1 59 instead of 2 29 until July. 381 00:31:54,234.023 --> 00:31:58,214.023 And then after that it's gonna be, just available for 2 29. 382 00:31:59,24.023 --> 00:32:04,784.023 And you're, the way that this works is obviously you're collecting data. 383 00:32:05,54.023 --> 00:32:06,974.023 It's all anonymous though. 384 00:32:07,64.023 --> 00:32:07,394.023 Yes. 385 00:32:07,454.023 --> 00:32:12,974.023 So people should not be afraid that their data will be shared. 386 00:32:12,974.023 --> 00:32:15,194.023 Or their names and stuff will be shared. 387 00:32:15,344.023 --> 00:32:15,914.023 Exactly. 388 00:32:15,914.023 --> 00:32:18,84.023 We don't actually collect your data. 389 00:32:18,144.023 --> 00:32:25,244.023 Your data stays in your phone or in your tablet or wherever you use the device with, we just get aggregated data. 390 00:32:25,244.023 --> 00:32:26,744.023 So we don't know your name. 391 00:32:26,744.023 --> 00:32:27,254.023 We don't know. 392 00:32:27,914.023 --> 00:32:29,144.023 Your age, et cetera. 393 00:32:29,144.023 --> 00:32:34,764.023 We just know, oh, it's a user and it has this data pretty much is what it is. 394 00:32:34,764.023 --> 00:32:35,94.023 Yeah. 395 00:32:35,184.023 --> 00:32:40,244.023 So we really, in terms of privacy, we don't share we don't sell anything to anybody. 396 00:32:40,244.023 --> 00:32:49,209.023 No, it's really, your data is, it's very important for me because I know women's have been, really deprived of their data. 397 00:32:49,359.023 --> 00:32:49,839.023 Yeah. 398 00:32:49,839.023 --> 00:32:52,449.023 And so it's very important they keep their data their own. 399 00:32:53,829.023 --> 00:33:03,719.023 I think, we've been underrepresented in research and I think we're always very protective of our bodies and our health as we should be. 400 00:33:04,79.023 --> 00:33:09,119.023 So I mentioned this so that people can feel comfortable, women can feel comfortable knowing Sure. 401 00:33:09,579.023 --> 00:33:10,209.023 Absolutely. 402 00:33:10,209.023 --> 00:33:16,899.023 It's really, you're writing, we wanna rewrite the story of women's health and, empowering women to take control of their health. 403 00:33:17,514.023 --> 00:33:33,224.023 Through personalized data that data-driven solutions, it's about breaking free from outdated models and giving women the tools they need to manage their health in a way that's, their own, that's natural, holistic and tailored to their unique biology. 404 00:33:33,224.023 --> 00:33:38,374.023 And that was very important to me because, my migraine, my migraines are different from your migraines because we. 405 00:33:38,964.023 --> 00:33:41,214.023 We have hormonal fluctuations that are not the same. 406 00:33:41,554.023 --> 00:33:47,984.023 And I'm sure, as you were mentioned, women were not even allowed in clinical trials before 1993. 407 00:33:48,494.023 --> 00:33:51,974.023 So we really need to change the narrative around that. 408 00:33:52,514.023 --> 00:33:55,114.023 We need to, get our own data and have a solution. 409 00:33:55,114.023 --> 00:33:58,474.023 Solutions that are really tailored to our bodies for sure. 410 00:33:58,684.023 --> 00:34:01,234.023 So that's why we wanted to do with CAW Health. 411 00:34:02,984.023 --> 00:34:14,474.023 And you were mentioning the reason why you named it Seesaw Health and it's obvious to me why it's called the egg, but maybe you can describe, you know why you call it the egg? Yes. 412 00:34:14,714.023 --> 00:34:23,474.023 So we call it the egg because you have hormonal ations and the time you, your body's downregulated, it's when you ovulate. 413 00:34:23,894.023 --> 00:34:28,124.023 So when you produce an egg, it's when your vagal tone is really gagging down. 414 00:34:28,389.023 --> 00:34:31,419.023 And it's when it's creating these fluctuations of inflammation. 415 00:34:31,899.023 --> 00:34:35,649.023 So we call it the egg because it's like, the best thing that happens to us. 416 00:34:35,649.023 --> 00:34:42,199.023 But it's also, most of the time the worst thing because we suffer from hormonal fluctuations due to this egg. 417 00:34:43,639.023 --> 00:35:00,139.023 And what do you see for the future as someone who you know is in fem tech and obviously has come out with this cool device? I think we, so we continue to, partners and have, research and stuff, but I think what we really wanna do is like to. 418 00:35:00,889.023 --> 00:35:03,529.023 Empower women with their nervous system. 419 00:35:03,529.023 --> 00:35:08,929.023 So I think we will look at different ways of supporting women in that journey. 420 00:35:09,139.023 --> 00:35:14,589.023 So with the egg, but maybe also with other kind of ways of, boosting your own transplant response. 421 00:35:14,589.023 --> 00:35:26,379.023 So I'm working also with dieticians and different people who can join on this journey so that we can provide more in terms of solutions for inflammation regulation. 422 00:35:26,879.023 --> 00:35:27,719.023 Very exciting. 423 00:35:28,149.023 --> 00:35:40,229.023 I really wanna say that I, we wanted to focus on personalized integrated care and women's health issues, especially women with chronic conditions are heard they're seen. 424 00:35:40,569.023 --> 00:35:48,309.023 They're important and we really are listening and to try to provide the best solution possible for them. 425 00:35:48,729.023 --> 00:35:52,89.023 And the mind and body con connection is very important. 426 00:35:52,149.023 --> 00:35:54,759.023 And it's not something that is out there. 427 00:35:54,969.023 --> 00:36:00,299.023 It's really something that is scientifically rooted and it has to be approached that way. 428 00:36:00,599.023 --> 00:36:03,599.023 And it, people need to really pay attention to that. 429 00:36:03,989.023 --> 00:36:06,939.023 So you just go to Seesaw Health dot com. 430 00:36:06,939.023 --> 00:36:09,189.023 So seesaw.health, 431 00:36:09,189.023 --> 00:36:10,809.023 it's actually seesaw.health 432 00:36:10,929.023 --> 00:36:17,469.023 and the name of the company, Seesaw Health, but the website is Seesaw Health. 433 00:36:17,719.023 --> 00:36:21,999.023 Same for, I think you're gonna find it on Instagram, CSO Health is the handle. 434 00:36:21,999.023 --> 00:36:26,99.023 And don't forget to like, share and review my podcast. 435 00:36:26,649.023 --> 00:36:30,439.023 Remember, it's always ladies first on Soma Says. 436 00:36:30,739.023 --> 00:36:34,399.023 Let's make a difference one conversation at a time.