In this gripping episode of The Dark Side of the Rainbow, we delve into pressing issues being faced by our nation's children and the influence the LGBTQ+ agenda has on their developing minds and bodies. Highlighting the event wherein a drag queen managed to sneak into the Capitol, we speak with Arizona State Representative Rachel Jones, a strong advocate for parental rights and safeguarding of children. She foresees the devastating impact of the present trend and urges listeners to make their voices heard in elections.
This episode probes into topics like gender identity, sexual orientation education, Marxism, and the inclusion of Drag Queen Story Hour in public schools. Representative Jones underscores the need for empathy, understanding, and constructive debate in our society to ensure the youth of today are safe from harm. Join the fight, listen in, and see how you can make a difference.
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Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is Robert Wallace.
And today we have Arizona State Representative Rachel Jones with us.
Rachel recently was pushing back on the fight to say, hey, why do we have a
drag queen at the Capitol?
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That's something that happened this week, believe it or not.
How are you doing, Rachel?
Hi, Robert. How are you? I'm doing great. Right. Awesome.
Well, so we had a drag queen come up to the Capitol to do a drag queen story hour.
OK, fine. You're a drag queen. But what is it with the push of the story hour thing?
And why are they presenting it to politicians?
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Well, I think you already know the answer. And that was a rhetorical question.
But, you know, the thing about this with the drag queen story hour,
it is plain and simple an attack on our children. That's it.
They are trying to indoctrinate our kids and they are using the LGB movement to do so.
And it was really interesting because one of the arguments that I got,
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well, let me backtrack because what happened the morning of when Representative
Lorena Austin brought in this drag queen to do drag queen story hour at the
Capitol, none of us knew about it.
None of the Republican legislators knew.
It was a complete surprise to us when our assistant started messaging us and
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telling us what was going on.
And Speaker Thomas said he thought that she had reserved the room for something completely different.
None of the guards saw a drag queen come through security.
So you know that it was very sneaky what happened.
And I think the reason that they wanted to do this, because if you watch the
video of it, the drag scene, he was very obviously reading a children's book
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that was targeted at children transitioning.
He talked about even a five-year-old knowing and being able to do this.
And they didn't no one saw him come through security as a drag queen.
So they want the politicians to they're basically trying to soften all of us
to the idea of it, I think, because even though there were no children in attendance at the Capitol,
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the push behind this is targeting specifically children.
That is so astonishing that
we're at this place where we have these deceptive practices of finagling a drag
speaker into the Capitol in order to propagandize this gross practice of indoctrinating
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and propagandizing children. Yeah.
And, you know, it's something I can't go without saying because I just can't get over it.
How often these so-called drag queens actually end up coming out like drag monsters.
If you saw the image of this particular or the video, which I'll interject the
portion of the speaking that had occurred.
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What is it time to choose a new name why
does someone become an activist how does one
begin who pauline hart
what a korean-american trans activist where
new york city when from the time she was why to ensure rights for herself and
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others how one step that's that's one of the of the things when the whole topic
of kids being trans come up.
Listen. Listen to your kids. Because I can tell you I knew from a very young
age. Very, very young age.
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And have the resources been there? Have the language been there?
All the things that are available today in there, things that have been very
different to me that have waited 35 years.
And adults change pronouns all the time.
Adults, as we grow and as we mature and as we fade out, we may go from identifying
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as, you know, within the binary, and then we just say, you know what, that doesn't fit me.
I think i'm a gender i don't can identify as a gender so please use they never run first ever.
You'll notice that this person actually looks more like a lucifer character
than anything and yet we need
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to accept lucifer as readily
as a man dressed as a feminine clown
which is really what you know drag's about
clowning around entertainment you know burlesque it's
very they're caricatures of sorts it's entertainment
it's fun but but now it's like it's synonymous with monsters in the school what's
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up with that well i think you just hit the nail on the head this all stems from
burlesque and burlesque is very adult oriented i have no issues if you want to,
as an adult, go and watch a drag show.
I have never been. My Senate seatmate has been. I hear it's a lot of fun.
Like I said, there's a lot of sexual innuendo with it.
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So the fact that they're targeting children, I'm sorry, but I don't care what it is.
It is not a drag queen's job, whether it's at a school or a library,
to teach kids about what sex is.
And especially from, like you said, these people that look more like monsters
or, you know, characters.
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I mean, this man that came into the Capitol, which was a man when he walked
through security, if you saw his appearance in the video, that took him quite
a while to fix himself up in the basement of the Capitol.
So I don't know why parents would even subject their kiddos to this when,
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as I said before, it's all very sexually oriented.
It's very strange to me. I have five kids of my own.
I would never think that that would be an appropriate venue to take them to,
regardless of what it is.
Yeah, it should be self-evident. But now it's a matter of civil rights and social justice.
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And it's just astonishing what all is getting piled into this,
on the train of this whole LGBTQIA, queer theory, trans ideology movement.
What would you say is the general sentiment among your colleagues there at the
Capitol regarding this-
This event that occurred this week and drag queen
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story time drag queen story hour in general well
i think we were all my colleagues and myself were all
just shocked when we started getting the messages we felt that it was very underhanded
what she did you know i think she knew if it had been out there beforehand that
we would have raised holy hell probably and that's why it was kept So secret and in the dark.
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I think the biggest thing with my colleagues and myself is the other side.
I am a Republican, and I think Republicans always get painted as bigot or,
you know, we're bigots against the LGBT community.
We're bigot against whatever community it is. We're hateful. We're racist.
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We're everything. It's always the same talking points. And that is not it at
all. Republicans in general, the conservative ideology is freedom.
Right? We believe in freedom.
So this has nothing to do with that and nothing to do with the gay community or anything like that.
It has everything to do with how it is being forced onto our children.
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That is where myself and my colleagues, that's why we feel so passionate about
this topic, because we see who the targets are, and they're our children.
So that is the problem. And we're very aligned in that mentality.
And that's why I think your organization
is so awesome because it's very
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hard for the other side to call you bigoted and you're
still fighting the same fight that we are for the kid because you see what this
really is and and how they are using something that was a civil rights movement
before for equal protection I believe everyone should have equal right regardless
of their race or their sexuality, we should be treated equal.
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However, this is beyond that. This has become something completely different and very dark.
You know, you hit the nail on the head right there. That's where the rubber
meets the road is that more than
anything else, this is about what they're putting in front of children.
We could talk about the endless amount of things that adults do in their own
lives, but it's not until it gets in front of kids that half the world takes
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notice, Anybody really cares.
And that's the only part they don't want to hear. They just they they ignore
that part and then they fill it in with their narrative. Yes.
What do you think is the future in Arizona based on the current political climate,
the current occupation of the gubernatorial seat, et cetera,
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for this drag queen story hour program in the state?
Well, I think right now we have a very slim majority in the legislature.
We've got, you know, one seat majority in both chambers, the Senate and the
House. That's a little nerve wracking.
That's why it's so very important this upcoming election 2024 that people come
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out and make their voices heard at the polls and vote.
You know, I know a lot of people are disheartened about voting because there
are some questions about our election process.
But if you don't vote, you're handing it to the other side.
And I'm telling you right now, if the Democrats get control of the Arizona legislature
with Hobbs on the ninth floor,
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Chris Mays as the AG, and Adrian Fontes as the Secretary of State,
I mean, you're going to see more drag queen story hour and more attacks on our
family unit, our children.
And it's not going to be good.
I mean, they're going to come after
all of the things that we hold dear as conservatives, as Republicans.
They are going to come for that. So it's very, very important that we get out and vote.
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Now, the sentiment that I'm really hearing and seeing and feeling in Arizona
right now, I don't, I'm seeing people from all parties.
This is not just a Democrat, Republican thing.
There are Democrats I've talked to that are completely disgusted with a lot of this.
The attacks on our children, the economy is awful right now.
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Everybody goes to the grocery store, fills up their gas tank,
and they're really feeling it in the wallet.
And they know that the current administration at both the state level and the
federal level, they are letting us down.
That's why Katie Hobbs has a 38% approval rate right now.
Joe Biden, I'm shocked he has anybody approving of what he's doing because you
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can see the difference in our country. the past four years with the open border.
And like I said, the economy, the borders, the number one issue.
So I think there are going to be a lot of people, even Democrats that come out and vote,
for the Republicans this time, because they see how bad it's gotten and they're
ready to turn this ship around.
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That's what I'm hearing, what I'm feeling out there. Wow. Yeah.
I mean, from my end, I live here in Arizona.
I'm seeing that too. We've got people listening all over the country and the world.
And so Arizona, as a lot of people are aware, is a battleground state.
What happens here is just like mainstream news for the rest of the country.
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There's so many important things happening. What kind of advice would you give
to other representatives or senators in other states who are kind of fighting
back against the same thing? Well, I mean, you have to keep pushing.
If you're like us, North Carolina reminds me a lot of Arizona.
They've got a lot the same makeup where they've got a Republican legislature
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and then they have Democrats in the other seat.
I mean, it's hard, but you have to keep fighting.
You have to let the people know, we hear you.
And our job as legislators is to put forward those bills.
And we have done quite a few of those bills the last couple of sessions where we are.
I mean, specifically my Senate seatmate, Senator Watzak, she's been putting
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forth bills to protect kids from things like Drag Queen Story Hour.
Some of the books that they're putting in schools Schools and libraries these days are astonishing.
These are not children's books, but they're actually presenting them to kids
as young as kindergarten.
So other states, just like us, we have to keep putting forth good legislation.
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When it gets to the governor's desk, that's up to the governor.
But Hobbes vetoed so many insane bills last session.
I mean, things that were keeping porn, you know, not being able to film porn
in public schools. She vetoed that bill.
So we can keep showing the people how insane this ideology is,
how insane these people are, that they are not doing what Arizona citizens want.
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Same with the other states. then that will be good in two more years when we
have another governor race and we can hopefully get someone better in the governor's
seat that's more aligned with our values in Arizona and just the things that
we want to see fit. bit. Absolutely.
Do you think this is an organically arisen issue of social justice,
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or does it seem to you like there is a top-down push to implement these ideologies
in the corporate world and the education division?
I think it is definitely top-down. You can look at a lot of the ideology and
some of the, you know, even the thing, it's not just this that I I think is being pushed top down.
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You can look at other things, you know, the BLM movement, the recent protests
going on, and you kind of go, wait a second, there's something bigger going on here.
And they do, they use media, they use the big corporations, like you said,
the games to push this stuff.
And then what they're trying to do is kind of brainwash all of us to where it becomes just common,
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so common that we just kind of, it just kind of absorbs and we go,
oh, okay, well, I guess this is how, how this is going to be.
And they've done that for decades.
I mean, they've used the media and big corporations to do that with many different things.
And unfortunately, it feels like a lot of people are still just asleep and kind
of an auto drive, kind of going through the motions and just,
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okay, you know, we're going to just accept this.
But I do think that there's more and more kind of an awakening happening where
people are going, wait a second, this is not okay.
You know, things that are going in on with the schools and parents are showing
up at school board meetings and they're being very vocal.
So I think that there's a shift coming with it and people are getting really
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sick and tired of it, but we'll see. Yeah.
What do you think in 40 years, if people don't stand up, if we don't,
you know, nip this in the bud and this takes root as it's actively,
you know, rooting itself as we speak with the normalization and proliferation?
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What will society look like? What would a classroom look like in 40 years?
Oh, my goodness. That's terrifying to even think about. I mean,
I think both of us know and we've had these conversations where this is leading is pedophilia.
That's why you guys fight so hard the way that you do. Like I said,
I think this went from a movement of just stay out of my business,
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small government type thing.
I mean, that's how like a conservative thought is small government, stay out of my business.
What I do is between me and God or whatever, you know, whoever you answer to.
And it went to what it is now. And so that's where it's terrifying to think
about if we don't nip this now, what they're really pushing for with the children, especially.
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And I'm so tired of the other side not admitting that there's something more
to this that a lot of us see, but they don't want to admit to it.
So that makes me wonder if they are part of the plan. So that's one thing I don't know.
And I'm not accusing anybody on the other side. But sometimes you have to ask that question.
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Because right now in the classroom, these things are already being pushed on
our kids. As I said, I have five kids.
They've been in public schools, private schools, charter schools, homeschool.
We've done everything. everything we've had thankfully just
a handful of issues with this with my children but i
mean schools are already to a certain
extent the public schools are an indoctrination place where
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they really are just trying to churn out it feels like little marxist because
you talked about a bigger agenda that is the agenda behind a lot of this is
is marxism so i don't the public schools won't even be recognizable at that
point in time, I don't think. Yeah, definitely.
I'm afraid I would not have any connection to what we see right now with the direction we're going.
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I mean, look at the classroom right now. I don't even recognize that classroom
with all those gay and trans and in-between flags and everything.
Well, and I think school, you know, back even, I think we're around the same
age, back when we were in school, I mean, it really was majoritively about math,
learning how to read and write, learning some history,
having some recess and PE, some fun time, you know, and I mean,
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it really was the focus was teaching kids the basics of education.
These other things that they are trying to teach our kids in school,
that they're teaching, what's happening is they're teaching the younger teachers
that are in college, which is college, the whole other indoctrination place anymore.
And they're teaching those teachers, those new teachers, that it's their job
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to come in and talk to our children about things that they shouldn't be talking
to them about. That is a parent's place.
And our parents' rights have been under attack too with all of this.
We are in charge of the upbringing of our children, not the teacher,
not the principal, not anybody else, just the parent.
And so that has been under attack, too. And that's why you're seeing so many
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parents rise up against it, which is good and very positive.
I mean, we don't want everybody necessarily to have to abandon the public school system.
But I mean, if I had a kid right now, homeschooling is the only way I could see to go.
Is that what you're seeing is this growing trend toward get out of this environment?
And what's the effects on public schools? Absolutely. Well, I mean, this is the thing.
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There's something called free market, which means competition and public schools.
That's why in Arizona, we're the leading state as far as the empowerment scholarship
accounts where you can basically take your taxpayer money,
your portion of that, and you can put your child where you feel is the best
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fit for them. You can put them in a private school.
You can use that for homeschooling. And what you're seeing is if the public
schools are not going to be able to compete properly and the parents feel like
their kids are going there just to be indoctrinated,
well, then they have the right to pull them out and to put them somewhere where
they feel they are going to get a better education.
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And so eventually in states like
Arizona, where we've led the way with the ESAs, you are going to see...
A lot of kids get pulled out of public schools because parents,
public schools need to understand parents just want their kids to know how to be citizens,
you know, successful citizens in society, to be able to do basic math and read
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and write and all of those skills we used to get taught.
And so eventually it is going to hurt the public schools very badly if they
don't realize these things and how the parents are feeling.
And that's free market for you. I mean, if they're not going to do what they
need to do, then they're going to continue to struggle.
But in Arizona, we give half of our budget, over half of our budget to public school.
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So those monies need to be directed and allocated properly, which right now,
they're not being given to the teacher and the student, you know, to the classroom.
Classroom they're given to a lot of times the bureaucrats
at the top make way too much money in
our public schools but potentially if you did put
more of that money toward the teachers and the classroom and the students you
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might see an improvement as well but i think there's been a really big exodus
of teachers out of the public school system too because there have been teachers
that have felt that they wanted to share their values but if they don't align with the woe ideology.
A lot of times the teachers then get reprimanded or in trouble for sharing that.
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So you're allowed to share one type of ideology, but if you try to share another,
you're reprimanded for it.
So there's a big exodus out of the public schools with teachers as well. Wow. Yeah, there is.
Can you talk a little bit about what you know as far as the education process
or the teachers unions, you know, these kids are getting out of high school
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or they're getting out of college.
And then they go right into this,
Well, you know, diversity, inclusion, sort of mindset, CRT mindset.
And it's like the only way that they can be put into a school.
How can we where do we stop that?
I don't know. I know there's been some good legislation actually to stop the CRT.
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And actually, there's an even bigger umbrella over that that a lot of people don't know about.
It's called SEL, social emotional learning. And that's kind of how they've hidden
a lot of these ideologies in there.
And I've even talked to friends who are teachers or they're special special needs teachers.
And they thought, well, what's wrong with social emotional learning?
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What's wrong with teaching kids about emotions? Well, that's how they sneak
a lot of this in there. So we have tried to push forth legislation to kind of stop some of that.
Teaching any child that, especially a young white male like my nine-year-old,
that he is racist, that he's born racist because his skin color is white and
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he's a male, that is ridiculous.
That is so terrible to teach a child, a young child. by the CRT and SEL,
it's so dangerous for our kids.
Once again, it should be math, reading, writing, those types of things, history in school,
not teaching our children they're racist because of the way they were born,
not teaching our children that, you know, let's say a young boy,
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it's so normal for a young boy to go and see his mom doing makeup and to be
curious and those types of things.
But some of these insane parents, once he brings up that, oh,
he wants to be pretty like mommy. Well, oh, he must want to be a girl.
And it's like just this insanity where, you know, back in the day,
it was like, well, let's fix you up and make you pretty, so to speak.
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But to think that he wants to have his penis cut off, sorry,
and wants to be a girl because he says that and he's four years old.
I mean, this is absolute insanity.
What's going on? It is. It disgusts me. And it is evil, as you said earlier,
because there are kids, if you watch some of these horrific documentaries about
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girls that felt because of this push,
that if you feel a certain way, you must want to be a boy.
And these girls get their breasts cut off and all these things.
And then they get to be in their 20s. And they have so many regrets.
And then they're unable to have children.
And I mean, this is devastating what they're doing. And that's why I'm so happy
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groups like you are speaking out very boldly and very bluntly about what is going on.
Because these kids, once they make these changes, they can't go back. This is lifelong.
And many of them have regret later, and there's nothing they can do.
So we have to step in groups like you, Gays Against Groomers,
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legislators who see what's going on, even local leaders, school board members,
school boards are so important right now to get good people on those school
boards to stop this at the curriculum level, to stop with the book that they're
putting in front of our kids.
I mean, all of these things, we need to work together at all of our levels,
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different organizations that are fighting it.
And we just have to keep being vocal and getting the word out that this is what this is about.
And I think that that has really grown. I'm sure you've seen your organization
grow by leaps and bounds since you started because more and more people are waking up. Absolutely.
It is growing and people are waking up. And this is a very polarizing issue.
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It's like there are still people out here that don't believe this is happening.
Like, I know people and I've talked to them about the activism that we're involved
in or what's happening in schools and they even have kids.
But there's like there's these two echo chambers, these silos,
these bubbles where, you know, we either are very aware of what's going on or
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we're in complete denial.
And, you know, we're opposed to this other side that keeps saying there's a
boogeyman that doesn't exist there.
And then we're just like going head to head on that.
What do you say to somebody who says, this isn't really happening?
You're exaggerating the whole problem.
Well, that's a hard one because I get a lot of those people that,
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you know, the trolls or whatever you want to call me on social media when I
boldly speak out about it and they say, oh, no, you know, like with the drag
queen story hour. Oh, it's completely harmless.
There's not all they're doing is reading a story, you know, those types of things.
I mean, some of the pictures and the videos I've seen from some of these events is shocking.
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I mean, there are there one that I like to post. It's a picture of a drag queen
with, you know, big breasts.
All that he has on there are two little star pasties and a thong.
And they're literally parading around in front of kids.
Some of them are having the kids put dollar bills in their G-strings.
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I mean, it is like, do you people take your kids to strip clubs too?
I mean, that's the thing is even when you boldly get out there and show videos
like that and show pictures like that, people still want to say that's not happening. That's not real.
And it's like you can circle a little child, little girl in the video,
and they still, they want to put their blinders on.
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I don't know why they are doing that. I'm not sure what the push is.
I hear it at the Capitol all the time from the other side, is this is an attack on the trans community.
You're so hateful. You're so bigoted. It's like, no, this is not an attack on these people.
I don't, what an adult does in their free time, in their bedroom,
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is that up to that adult, you know, this is about the kids.
And whether there's a child there at the moment or not, not.
That's the ultimate goal.
And you can see it. That is the agenda that's behind this is to brainwash our
children, basically, and indoctrinate them to think that this is normal.
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And it's not. And like I said, eventually, they're trying to get that to pedophilia.
I truly believe that. And we have to protect our kiddos.
Let them be kids. Let them be children, for goodness sake.
When I was a kid, we ran around barefoot all summer, rode our bike.
It was just not this. it. There's such a push to just not let our kids just be.
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Yeah, you know, the internet is a double edged sword.
It's like it can you have all the knowledge in the world in your pocket on your phone.
And it can also be used to spread perversion or to accelerate and develop these perverted agendas.
And so it's it's gone on to another level. And you're absolutely right.
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It It is all tending toward pedophilia. It seems to me that the people who are
denying it the hardest, and maybe I'm just like trying to imagine like a valid
psychology of how they could come to the conclusion.
It almost seems like they subconsciously don't want to acknowledge it until
there's way too many kids involved.
So they can finally say, oops, I guess you were right. Oops, I guess it was a mistake.
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Well, now here's the problem. Let's just work with it now.
Did you catch that documentary that Robbie Starbuck put out called The War on Children?
I didn't. I heard about it. Yeah, you'll love it. Check it out.
He brings up, because he used to work in Hollywood as a producer,
and he brings up something called the mere exposure effect.
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And basically what this says is if you just put an idea in front of a person,
just put it in front of them, you put it in front of enough people,
some people are going to latch onto it, whether or not it makes any sense.
And they're going to start to adapt to it.
And so by spreading the image of the trans ideology through TV or the media,
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there's going to be kids and people will just pick up on it just because it's there.
So what do you think people need to know about propaganda as a whole?
It seems that people underestimate how subtly a kid or any of us can be propagandized.
Well, I have a nine-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter.
And let me tell you, YouTube, they love YouTube like most kids.
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And they're even using algorithms in some of these, like YouTube and places
like that, where they're specifically targeting children with this stuff.
They are targeting them in shows and they're kids' shows.
They're supposed to be children's shows. And so I think that the best way,
once again, because our children are being specifically targeted in that.
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It's just part of the media, the using of the media.
You have to communicate with your kid. You cannot just pretend,
you know, you can't be an ostrich with your head in the sand with this and just
hope that nothing ever presents itself to your children.
You have to be talking to them. And unfortunately, you're having to talk to
them a lot younger these days.
I know, like you mentioned with the internet and access to all of these types
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of things, porn is very accessible now.
I have a 19-year-old son. I had to have a conversation with him about that when
he was probably eight or nine, honestly, because it's so easily and readily available.
And so parents are really, really hurting their children if they don't have
those honest conversations.
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And I have a very open communication line with my two youngest,
and we've already had those conversations.
My 11-year-old daughter came to me and said...
Kiddo in her fifth grade class is already saying that she's a boy instead of a girl.
And so we were able to have a conversation about that because we've already,
you know, we had already opened up that line.
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And so my daughter felt like she could come to me and say, hey,
mom, this is going on. So we could have a conversation at that point in time.
So the more, I mean, my kids are to the point where if they see something weird,
whether it's you know trans or something geared
with indoctrinating them they let me
know right away oh this happened on
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this show i guess i'm and they will shut off the show so i'm
very blessed in that way but i've also been very very open
with them and they feel that they can talk to me about this stuff you're doing
your child a disservice if you don't do that these days there is too much like
you said the boogeyman the boogeyman's out there and he's coming for our kids
to get in there and eventually do some major damage to them potentially.
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And I'm hoping my kids too can also be there maybe for some of their classmates,
some of their friends down the road if they need somebody to talk to about that
and maybe be a good, you know, solid foundation for them to confide in and maybe help them through that.
So, you know, my job as a mom is to raise them up to be functioning citizens
of Arizona and the United States someday. So that's part of that.
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Yeah. And I'm so glad that there's mothers like you all over the place that
are taking on their responsibility to make sure their kids are patriotic.
They love their country.
They have a moral compass. They know what the issues are and they've informed
them, look, this is what you're going to confront and this is the way to go.
Because when the parents are hands off, they're not acknowledging these issues.
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The kids are going to be raised by these teachers.
And that's a nightmare. Let me ask you a question about censorship.
So when we talk about, you know, the last several years, you've had a lot of
truth or type information come out and it's been pushed back.
By the mainstream media and certain other types who say that we need to silence
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these voices of misinformation.
And then we're on the flip end saying, okay, we've got all of this propaganda
coming into the schools and that needs to not be there.
And then all of a sudden we hear this other side saying, that's censorship,
you know, don't censor us.
So it's kind of like, it's a two-edged sword of destruction.
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It's like we want to censor the truth, but don't censor the lie, or you're a bigot.
What can we do to keep the information in front of the kids pure and wholesome?
Well, that's a tough one. So there's some interesting history on propaganda.
I don't know if you knew, but it used to be illegal.
Propaganda was actually illegal in the United States. And under President Obama.
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He passed an executive order to make it legal.
So that's where you see all of this propaganda in the news media now.
And like you said, the biggest censorship has been social media,
Facebook, Twitter, before it became X.
I think X is a lot better now under Elon Musk, but I still think there's some censorship going on.
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A lot of the independent journalists get censored a lot for misinformation.
So that's a tough one because they are always going to try to censor the truth and allow the lies.
And especially now that propaganda is perfectly legal in the United States,
it's sometimes hard to even kind of sift through what is the truth and what are the lies.
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But I think with the agenda we're talking about today, it's very obvious what's going on with that.
And so I do think that we just need to keep being as vocal as possible and be
willing to be, you know, have hateful people come at you because they do.
When you're speaking truth, when you're trying to protect children,
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unfortunately, there's a very loud minority, I think, that is really good at
trying to crucify you over that.
But then we should all remember, we must be over some kind of target, right?
And I'm sure you guys I get it all the time. I know myself and my colleagues.
People who believe what I believe do as well.
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So I think at the legislative level, I mean, there are things that we can do.
And we've tried to run legislation to kind of keep social media from being able
to, you know, come down on, especially when you're a political figure of a certain party,
they like to come after you, especially during election season.
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So we've tried to push forward legislation to make sure they can't do that,
can't target you based on your political party, especially as an elected official.
Unfortunately, we haven't gotten a lot passed or done because of who's on the
ninth floor, but we have to keep pushing for that.
And we have to make sure our federal legislators, our congresspeople that are
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supposed to serve us, call them, let them know that you want certain things
to be put out to protect free speech. The First Amendment is so important.
It's such a critical part of the United States of America.
And so it's important to also continue to fight for free speech because just
because you don't like what someone has to say doesn't mean that you get to
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shut them up. We have gotten so soft the last few years.
I think it's really ridiculous because we should support free speech even if
we don't agree with the other side.
But I think when you run into issues with the First Amendment,
it's when it endangers somebody.
And when people are speaking very bluntly about hurting children or hurting
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anyone, that's a problem to me.
So there are certain stipulations around the First Amendment and free speech.
But for the most part, you should have the right to speak freely in America.
It's what makes our country so great.
You know, that makes me wonder, where do, I mean, we have rules and regulation
laws in place that say, fine, you have free speech, but it doesn't mean that
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you You can say just anything to kids, for instance.
I mean, if you just go up to a child and start whispering sweet nothings and
cry, First Amendment, First Amendment.
That's basically what the whole drag queen story hour thing is.
And I wonder, like, do we need to make firmer guidelines or firmer restrictions
and penalties for this type of corruption?
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I mean, Socrates was put to death for the corruption of the youth.
And all he was doing was spreading a general philosophy of thought.
Here, we're encouraging kids to question what they are and go down paths of
surgery, irreparable surgery.
Yeah, well, I think that's why the legislature has tried to put forth some legislation
to protect children from being in the vicinity of some of these people,
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these drag queens that are really endangering them.
I mean, this indoctrination, when you talk about the First Amendment,
when it incites violence or endangers a child, I just think that there are some
stipulations when it comes to the First Amendment.
But we have to protect our kids.
And so as legislators, we've tried to do that with legislation.
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As I mentioned, parents, you're the number one people or you're the number one
person to protect your child or your children. So, yeah.
That's where it gets tough. I mean, if there are issues where your child's put
in danger in their school environment, take them out of that school,
put them somewhere else. In Arizona, there are no excuses.
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You have access to at least $7,000 to put your child in a different school, in a private school.
There are some really good charter schools in Arizona. So we have to try to protect them that way.
But like I said, I mean, First Amendment, that's a tough one.
Because when you believe in freedom, and freedom of speech is one of the tenets
of that, you know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
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I mean, you have to stick by that. But where's the line? When it's endangering
a child, when it is pedophilia, when it's grooming, I mean, that's in your name. So and that's a problem.
So there are lines that can be crossed with the First Amendment,
for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
It's really tricky terrain when every time you make a point and they go this
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way and that, and then you find them out on this and they just turn it around.
It's like, you know, I know you are, but what am I getting constantly?
What does a healthy relationship between the government and our rules and regulations,
particularly around protecting kids and the LGBT community look like?
Do we want to go back to just like, let's just go back to how it was five years
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ago and then stop the forward progression toward this MAPS, Minor Attracted
People movement? Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, we do need to go back to where when you're teaching a child,
it's okay to mutilate his or her body.
I mean, for goodness sake, they say that the brain Brain doesn't even fully
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develop until a human being is 25 years old.
Why are we allowing kids to transition at 13, 14, 15 years old?
I mean, they're not able to make those types of decisions. When you're a teenager,
it's like, you know, you're invincible.
You're Superman. You can't really see extremely far into the future.
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It's kind of like day in, day out. So when you're being allowed,
you know, and some of this is happening behind the parent's back, too.
That's the crazy part. So those are the lines that are being crossed that we do have the right.
I mean, I'm a small government person. I'm a Republican, for goodness sake. I'm conservative.
And I hate regulations. I hate taxes. I'm your typical conservative with that stuff.
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But at some point when it has to do with protecting kids and supporting parents,
supporting parents' rights, I don't think that that's a government overreach.
Personally, I think that if the public schools are not going to protect our
kids themselves, then it's going to take the government to move in and say,
you're going to protect our kids.
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That's one of your number one priorities as a school environment, in my opinion.
Opinion parents send their kids to school expecting them
to be safe if their safety's breached if
that they can't even keep that their end
of the the bargain on that on safety well then
there's an issue and that's where i think the government has a right to move
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in and say well then you're going to listen to us and we're going to pass this
law to make sure that the kids are safe because i think local government you
know the more the smaller and more local the better But when a local government
is failing the students and the parents,
then the bigger government, in my opinion, has the right to move in and say,
well, we're going to make you protect them then.
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So that's when it's okay for government to get involved at a smaller level.
Otherwise, hands off. If you're doing a good job, of course not.
It's just like the federal government shouldn't be interfering with our state government, right?
There are a lot of issues that are just state issues. Same concept.
Absolutely. You know, that makes me think about the whole question of whether
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this is, you know, coming out of society organically or it's a top-down operation,
which I think we both agree and anybody who's paying attention can tell it's coming down.
You know, June's right around the corner, Gay Pride Month, and every brand is
going to turn into a rainbow all of a sudden.
And everybody is, you know, being affected by the DEI, diversity and inclusion.
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I don't know why he's alluding to me right now.
But so the question is, what role, since the local government can't seem to.
Do much. What role are the globalists playing in this?
Oh, gosh. They're just like you said, the top down.
They are the ones that are really pushing a lot of these agendas for sure.
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I mean, when you start getting into like the World Economic Forum and some of
those bigger global globalist organizations, you can see it.
You can see what they're trying to do, what they're trying to push us into as
a society as a whole. And a lot of it is about control.
It's controlling the the masses is really the most of what it is.
I mean, with this DEI stuff, it is insane to me because what you end up doing,
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let's use race, for example.
A lot of this DEI stuff where you're saying this one group, whether it's by
the color of their skin, whatever it is, is being discriminated against.
And then these DEI people are actually taking African-Americans and segregating
them again, where Martin Luther King Jr.
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Fought to stop segregation when it was occurring and it was wrong.
And now a lot of this DEI stuff is actually segregating us. It's dividing us.
And it's that division. That's one of their goals.
If they can turn us on each other, I'm going to call us, we're like the peasants down here.
You have the elitists, the globalists at the top. We're all the peasants down here.
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And that's what I try to tell some of these trolls on my social media that I
mentioned the Uniparty the other day.
I think we talked about the Uniparty the last time I saw you. It's real.
The Uniparty is real. And they don't care if you have a D or an R by your name.
They don't care about the color of your skin.
It's them versus us, whether these people want to admit it or not. We are all them.
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We're all the peasants at the bottom, the elitists and the globalists eventually
want to control all of us.
And some of us are just apparently more willing to be the useful idiots for them.
And some of us are actually going to stand up and try to fight against this
because we see it for what it is. So.
Some of these things that happen, if we think that this is just showing up without.
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Massive amounts of funding, we're fooling ourselves.
There is someone at the top funding a lot of it. A lot of these woke agendas,
all of these ideologies.
And I mean, they're doing a pretty good job. But I think that there is a shift
in the younger generation. I'm seeing a lot of polls.
I have a 19-year-old son. I think that there's a shift because they've almost gone too far.
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That's some of what I'm seeing too, when I kind of go out and feel the temperature
of everything politically.
It's almost like I think, you know, under 30s now are actually shifting our
direction because it's gone too far.
And so I'm kind of glad they overplayed their hand in a way because I think
that that's going to help us shift back to where the pendulum's a little more even in the middle.
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Because right now, I mean, they've been so intent on shifting and all the way
to the left. They just overdid it. So that's a good thing for all of us.
Yeah, it really is for people who need it, like starkly contrasted in order
to see anything, you know, because it's just too vague.
Well, it's very obvious now what's going on and what they're pushing. So there's no excuse.
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That's the bottom line, I think. I think it's, you know, interesting,
like you said, write your congressperson, your senator, whoever makes me think,
you know, your voice is a vote that you have available to you all your
These people are sitting there and,
you know, they're trying to read the temperature of their constituents,
of their districts or whatever.
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And you can speak, especially to these particular politicians who aren't already on the front lines.
Like, you know, people can send it to you. They can send it to Senator Justine
Wadsack or Cory McGarr or whoever, but who already are on the front lines.
And they'd be preaching to the choir, and I think it would still be a good support
for you, but especially as people who are really supporting and wanting to keep this in schools.
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Do you think that because, again, this does not seem to have grown up organically,
and a lot of these politicians seem to have...
Other vested interests in it, whether it's lobbyists or they've made campaign
promises to people or they're being controlled.
They've been placed there perhaps, which is why they are coming out of nowhere,
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not doing the will of the people, interjecting this very unnatural narrative into the conversation.
Is it hopeless with these people? Can they be woken up so they turn about face
to these puppeteers and actually start doing the will of the people,
their job? Well, I hope so.
So you've hit on a couple of sweet spots for me that I am just always very vocal about.
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Our government is supposed to be representative of we, the people.
The people are in charge.
We are your servant, not the other way around. And so this focus has been lost
as a whole, not looking at any specific subject matter.
A lot of your elected officials have forgotten that we serve you,
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that this is a representative government.
And so that's unfortunate. There are a lot of legislators, both parties,
that do serve the lobbyists. I mean, that is something I'm very vocal about.
Unfortunately, they don't serve you. They make it very clear with the way they
vote, with the fact that they vote on all of the special interest bills,
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which your taxpayer money should not be paying for.
That is just one of the realities up there. And when folks like me who are in
the Arizona Freedom Caucus, when we start to kill some of these bills because
we do serve you, then we're called, oh, we're the right-wing crazies.
We're not willing to work with anybody.
Well, we work for you. That's what they don't understand. I'm not going to work
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with colleagues that sell you out.
I just will not do it. And so...
I do think there's hope. I have some friends on the other side of the aisle.
One of the unfortunate things about this day and age in 2024,
when I was a teenager way back in the 90s, I had friends that did not believe
the same things that I did. They were different.
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They were atheists. I believe in God. They were very left-leaning in their political views.
I've always been. I mean, I watched Ronald Reagan when I was a little girl.
I've always He's been a conservative, but we were able to have the best conversations
and the best debate about different subjects, different topics,
and we were still friends. It was amazing.
And so one of the things that's missing today that I'm so sad for my teenagers
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is that it's like that debate can't happen.
But I have Democrat colleagues on the other side of the aisle that we have great
conversations. We have great discussions.
I try to explain to them why I believe the things I do, about the drag queens,
about different things that we're voting on at the Capitol.
And we can sit there and have a friendly conversation and hear each other out.
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And that's how you grow. I think as a person, we don't do that enough anymore.
And we can still be friends and we can still have differing opinions.
But I'm hoping as I speak some of this into them, that they can,
maybe it will change their minds.
Maybe it will plant a seed. So I don't think they're all.
This is what I'm trying to say with a long version of that.
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I do think if the voters reach out to some of these, especially Democrats,
because they're the ones pushing for a lot of this, and they are controlled to a certain extent.
A lot of them on the other side, they are reading scripts when they explain
their votes. They're told how to vote.
They're very lockstep with each other. My side of the aisle,
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we are all very independent thinking.
We come up with our own things to say. And a lot of times we butt heads because
of that, because we do have independent thoughts over there a lot of times.
But the Democrats, they do seem to be in lockstep and they're told how to vote.
And I've heard from some of them who have left or who are not running again,
that they're really tired of that and their party as well. So always know that
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you can reach out to these people.
If you have a representative or a senator or a US congressman,
we've got two US senators here that most likely lean towards some of this woke ideology.
Politicians, and I hate that word,
Because I am one, but I think of myself more as just a stateswoman,
a representative. But politicians hate pressure.
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They hate to be unloved. They love to have their egos stroked.
They love when people love them and give them praise.
But when you come down on them, call them, tell them you're disappointed in
them, they get inundated with phone calls.
They hate it. The pressure works on these people because they are all about,
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there's a lot of ego in politics.
So call, make those phone calls, inundate their office with calls,
make their assistant crazy to where she or he is begging them to please do something
different so they don't get so many phone calls. The pressure really does work.
I've seen it. Wow, that's really great advice.
Well, we've got just a minute or two left here, actually. And this one's kind
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of a compound question, because I want to ask you about the so-called Overton window.
You know, these positions that, for instance, we're espousing right now about
protecting children and common sense behavior in those settings used to be considered
like middle of the road, like most people agreed on it.
And then, you know, since really COVID, all of the narrative has been going
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very far left, Very woke,
leaving the middle in the dust in the now to the right and everybody who was
already conservative is now officially far right.
So I want to ask you, because we're often referred to as a democracy,
and I'm concerned about that subversion of language in and of itself,
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because people don't realize that we're actually a constitutional republic with
maybe democratically elected leaders,
but that there is a big difference between democracy and a constitutional republic. public.
And one is basically mob rule, like the society will decide which one of your
so-called inalienable rights you will keep.
Well, the other one says, look, you can pick your leaders, but you're not going
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to take away people's right by popular vote.
What do you think is the problem right now that people are facing because of
the pressure to both submit to the will of the people
and while at the same time they need
to like remember like you can't just take rights
away from people because it's a popular thing to do yeah well we have this beautiful
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document called the constitution right and as you said we're a constitutional
republic i think the the whole democracy this is the democracy i mean you hear
it from people all the time that's been very intentional, too.
That's been an intentional narrative to get us into this majority rule, mob rule mentality.
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And we need to remember that is not how our country was founded.
We were founded as a constitutional republic.
That is a document that does not expire. It gives us our right as Americans,
you know, as we talked about the First Amendment, the Second Amendment,
All of these rights that we have, and I believe are God-given rights as well,
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we need to make sure that the next generation is taught civics and taught about
this because what they've been able to do is change history books, basically.
And and it's all part of the indoctrination of
our kids where they have been able to take a lot of
this out of what they're teaching our children and it's
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so they can have a hold to get a hold of the narrative
just like we've talked about this whole interview that's their whole plan is
to control the narrative and and that's so dangerous because once we have mob
rule and it is shutting Shutting down our First Amendment rights and the God-given
rights we have as Americans,
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this is not going to be in the same country anymore.
We're already staring in the face of a completely different country than I grew
up in, which is terrifying for me because I do have five kids.
And it's terrifying for the next generation. Because like I said,
I think we're around the same age.
And I remember being a kid. They let us be kids.
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We ran around barefoot all summer. We rode our bikes. We drank out of the hose,
for goodness sake. And it wasn't this big crisis.
They're not doing that. They're changing the complete foundation of our country right now.
That is what they're trying to do. That's why the globalists are funding it.
That's why it is top down.
It's to take away the shining light on the hill in the world, honestly.
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Because if we lose America with what it has been,
where we were this melting pot, where you could be you, and we had so many different
types of people here, and we have enjoyed freedom and things like that.
The minute we lose that, and we lose America, it changes the entire world. And they know that.
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This is the last stand, it feels like, and it feels like we are what's standing
in the way of the globalists.
And that's why they're coming so hard for us.
And that's why they're coming so hard after our kids, the next generation,
because they can completely ideologically change what America has been and what we've loved about it.
That's scary, but that's why we have to fight.
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I do not like the gray hair and wrinkles I get from being in this world,
but I do it because of that. We have to fight right now.
What you guys are doing is awesome. We all have our lanes.
We all have to fulfill our God-given purpose, and we have to fight. Absolutely.
Well, I appreciate you unraveling that ball of yarn that I just threw you with
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that convoluted question.
I apologize for the way that was worded, but beautiful response to that.
Where can people find you on social media? I want to follow up with you. Yes. So I am on X.
I'm at R, uppercase R, uppercase J, the number four. and then all lowercase Arizona.
And then I think I'm the same on Truth Social. I'm not on Instagram.
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My political website is, let me see, I spent a lot on Rachel or Jones for Arizona.com, sorry.
And I am on Facebook as well. So send me a friend request.
I don't post a lot on my political page on Facebook because they shadow ban me.
That's one of the platforms that really know they don't let me say a whole lot.
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So I post the least on there. But I also have a personal Facebook page that
I'd love to be friends with you.
And thank you, Robert, for all that you do for your friendship.
Very blessed to know you. And I really appreciate the opportunity to talk. Likewise.
And I personally feel very blessed to have you as one of my representatives in the state.
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And hopefully our listeners are just as lucky to find just the same kind of
representative that they can lean on in their respective states.
So thank you again for your time, and I will talk to you soon.
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Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is Robert Wallace.
And today we have Arizona State Representative Rachel Jones with us.
Rachel recently was pushing back on the fight to say, hey, why do we have a
drag queen at the Capitol?
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That's something that happened this week, believe it or not.
How are you doing, Rachel?
Hi, Robert. How are you? I'm doing great. Right. Awesome.
Well, so we had a drag queen come up to the Capitol to do a drag queen story hour.
OK, fine. You're a drag queen. But what is it with the push of the story hour thing?
And why are they presenting it to politicians?
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Well, I think you already know the answer. And that was a rhetorical question.
But, you know, the thing about this with the drag queen story hour,
it is plain and simple an attack on our children. That's it.
They are trying to indoctrinate our kids and they are using the LGB movement to do so.
And it was really interesting because one of the arguments that I got,
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well, let me backtrack because what happened the morning of when Representative
Lorena Austin brought in this drag queen to do drag queen story hour at the
Capitol, none of us knew about it.
None of the Republican legislators knew.
It was a complete surprise to us when our assistant started messaging us and
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telling us what was going on.
And Speaker Thomas said he thought that she had reserved the room for something completely different.
None of the guards saw a drag queen come through security.
So you know that it was very sneaky what happened.
And I think the reason that they wanted to do this, because if you watch the
video of it, the drag scene, he was very obviously reading a children's book
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that was targeted at children transitioning.
He talked about even a five-year-old knowing and being able to do this.
And they didn't no one saw him come through security as a drag queen.
So they want the politicians to they're basically trying to soften all of us
to the idea of it, I think, because even though there were no children in attendance at the Capitol,
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the push behind this is targeting specifically children.
That is so astonishing that
we're at this place where we have these deceptive practices of finagling a drag
speaker into the Capitol in order to propagandize this gross practice of indoctrinating
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and propagandizing children. Yeah.
And, you know, it's something I can't go without saying because I just can't get over it.
How often these so-called drag queens actually end up coming out like drag monsters.
If you saw the image of this particular or the video, which I'll interject the
portion of the speaking that had occurred.
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What is it time to choose a new name why
does someone become an activist how does one
begin who pauline hart
what a korean-american trans activist where
new york city when from the time she was why to ensure rights for herself and
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others how one step that's that's one of the of the things when the whole topic
of kids being trans come up.
Listen. Listen to your kids. Because I can tell you I knew from a very young
age. Very, very young age.
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And have the resources been there? Have the language been there?
All the things that are available today in there, things that have been very
different to me that have waited 35 years.
And adults change pronouns all the time.
Adults, as we grow and as we mature and as we fade out, we may go from identifying
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as, you know, within the binary, and then we just say, you know what, that doesn't fit me.
I think i'm a gender i don't can identify as a gender so please use they never run first ever.
You'll notice that this person actually looks more like a lucifer character
than anything and yet we need
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to accept lucifer as readily
as a man dressed as a feminine clown
which is really what you know drag's about
clowning around entertainment you know burlesque it's
very they're caricatures of sorts it's entertainment
it's fun but but now it's like it's synonymous with monsters in the school what's
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up with that well i think you just hit the nail on the head this all stems from
burlesque and burlesque is very adult oriented i have no issues if you want to,
as an adult, go and watch a drag show.
I have never been. My Senate seatmate has been. I hear it's a lot of fun.
Like I said, there's a lot of sexual innuendo with it.
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So the fact that they're targeting children, I'm sorry, but I don't care what it is.
It is not a drag queen's job, whether it's at a school or a library,
to teach kids about what sex is.
And especially from, like you said, these people that look more like monsters
or, you know, characters.
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I mean, this man that came into the Capitol, which was a man when he walked
through security, if you saw his appearance in the video, that took him quite
a while to fix himself up in the basement of the Capitol.
So I don't know why parents would even subject their kiddos to this when,
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as I said before, it's all very sexually oriented.
It's very strange to me. I have five kids of my own.
I would never think that that would be an appropriate venue to take them to,
regardless of what it is.
Yeah, it should be self-evident. But now it's a matter of civil rights and social justice.
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And it's just astonishing what all is getting piled into this,
on the train of this whole LGBTQIA, queer theory, trans ideology movement.
What would you say is the general sentiment among your colleagues there at the
Capitol regarding this-
This event that occurred this week and drag queen
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story time drag queen story hour in general well
i think we were all my colleagues and myself were all
just shocked when we started getting the messages we felt that it was very underhanded
what she did you know i think she knew if it had been out there beforehand that
we would have raised holy hell probably and that's why it was kept So secret and in the dark.
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I think the biggest thing with my colleagues and myself is the other side.
I am a Republican, and I think Republicans always get painted as bigot or,
you know, we're bigots against the LGBT community.
We're bigot against whatever community it is. We're hateful. We're racist.
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We're everything. It's always the same talking points. And that is not it at
all. Republicans in general, the conservative ideology is freedom.
Right? We believe in freedom.
So this has nothing to do with that and nothing to do with the gay community or anything like that.
It has everything to do with how it is being forced onto our children.
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That is where myself and my colleagues, that's why we feel so passionate about
this topic, because we see who the targets are, and they're our children.
So that is the problem. And we're very aligned in that mentality.
And that's why I think your organization
is so awesome because it's very
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hard for the other side to call you bigoted and you're
still fighting the same fight that we are for the kid because you see what this
really is and and how they are using something that was a civil rights movement
before for equal protection I believe everyone should have equal right regardless
of their race or their sexuality, we should be treated equal.
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However, this is beyond that. This has become something completely different and very dark.
You know, you hit the nail on the head right there. That's where the rubber
meets the road is that more than
anything else, this is about what they're putting in front of children.
We could talk about the endless amount of things that adults do in their own
lives, but it's not until it gets in front of kids that half the world takes
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notice, Anybody really cares.
And that's the only part they don't want to hear. They just they they ignore
that part and then they fill it in with their narrative. Yes.
What do you think is the future in Arizona based on the current political climate,
the current occupation of the gubernatorial seat, et cetera,
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for this drag queen story hour program in the state?
Well, I think right now we have a very slim majority in the legislature.
We've got, you know, one seat majority in both chambers, the Senate and the
House. That's a little nerve wracking.
That's why it's so very important this upcoming election 2024 that people come
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out and make their voices heard at the polls and vote.
You know, I know a lot of people are disheartened about voting because there
are some questions about our election process.
But if you don't vote, you're handing it to the other side.
And I'm telling you right now, if the Democrats get control of the Arizona legislature
with Hobbs on the ninth floor,
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Chris Mays as the AG, and Adrian Fontes as the Secretary of State,
I mean, you're going to see more drag queen story hour and more attacks on our
family unit, our children.
And it's not going to be good.
I mean, they're going to come after
all of the things that we hold dear as conservatives, as Republicans.
They are going to come for that. So it's very, very important that we get out and vote.
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Now, the sentiment that I'm really hearing and seeing and feeling in Arizona
right now, I don't, I'm seeing people from all parties.
This is not just a Democrat, Republican thing.
There are Democrats I've talked to that are completely disgusted with a lot of this.
The attacks on our children, the economy is awful right now.
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Everybody goes to the grocery store, fills up their gas tank,
and they're really feeling it in the wallet.
And they know that the current administration at both the state level and the
federal level, they are letting us down.
That's why Katie Hobbs has a 38% approval rate right now.
Joe Biden, I'm shocked he has anybody approving of what he's doing because you
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can see the difference in our country. the past four years with the open border.
And like I said, the economy, the borders, the number one issue.
So I think there are going to be a lot of people, even Democrats that come out and vote,
for the Republicans this time, because they see how bad it's gotten and they're
ready to turn this ship around.
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That's what I'm hearing, what I'm feeling out there. Wow. Yeah.
I mean, from my end, I live here in Arizona.
I'm seeing that too. We've got people listening all over the country and the world.
And so Arizona, as a lot of people are aware, is a battleground state.
What happens here is just like mainstream news for the rest of the country.
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There's so many important things happening. What kind of advice would you give
to other representatives or senators in other states who are kind of fighting
back against the same thing? Well, I mean, you have to keep pushing.
If you're like us, North Carolina reminds me a lot of Arizona.
They've got a lot the same makeup where they've got a Republican legislature
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and then they have Democrats in the other seat.
I mean, it's hard, but you have to keep fighting.
You have to let the people know, we hear you.
And our job as legislators is to put forward those bills.
And we have done quite a few of those bills the last couple of sessions where we are.
I mean, specifically my Senate seatmate, Senator Watzak, she's been putting
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forth bills to protect kids from things like Drag Queen Story Hour.
Some of the books that they're putting in schools Schools and libraries these days are astonishing.
These are not children's books, but they're actually presenting them to kids
as young as kindergarten.
So other states, just like us, we have to keep putting forth good legislation.
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When it gets to the governor's desk, that's up to the governor.
But Hobbes vetoed so many insane bills last session.
I mean, things that were keeping porn, you know, not being able to film porn
in public schools. She vetoed that bill.
So we can keep showing the people how insane this ideology is,
how insane these people are, that they are not doing what Arizona citizens want.
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Same with the other states. then that will be good in two more years when we
have another governor race and we can hopefully get someone better in the governor's
seat that's more aligned with our values in Arizona and just the things that
we want to see fit. bit. Absolutely.
Do you think this is an organically arisen issue of social justice,
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or does it seem to you like there is a top-down push to implement these ideologies
in the corporate world and the education division?
I think it is definitely top-down. You can look at a lot of the ideology and
some of the, you know, even the thing, it's not just this that I I think is being pushed top down.
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You can look at other things, you know, the BLM movement, the recent protests
going on, and you kind of go, wait a second, there's something bigger going on here.
And they do, they use media, they use the big corporations, like you said,
the games to push this stuff.
And then what they're trying to do is kind of brainwash all of us to where it becomes just common,
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so common that we just kind of, it just kind of absorbs and we go,
oh, okay, well, I guess this is how, how this is going to be.
And they've done that for decades.
I mean, they've used the media and big corporations to do that with many different things.
And unfortunately, it feels like a lot of people are still just asleep and kind
of an auto drive, kind of going through the motions and just,
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okay, you know, we're going to just accept this.
But I do think that there's more and more kind of an awakening happening where
people are going, wait a second, this is not okay.
You know, things that are going in on with the schools and parents are showing
up at school board meetings and they're being very vocal.
So I think that there's a shift coming with it and people are getting really
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sick and tired of it, but we'll see. Yeah.
What do you think in 40 years, if people don't stand up, if we don't,
you know, nip this in the bud and this takes root as it's actively,
you know, rooting itself as we speak with the normalization and proliferation?
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What will society look like? What would a classroom look like in 40 years?
Oh, my goodness. That's terrifying to even think about. I mean,
I think both of us know and we've had these conversations where this is leading is pedophilia.
That's why you guys fight so hard the way that you do. Like I said,
I think this went from a movement of just stay out of my business,
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small government type thing.
I mean, that's how like a conservative thought is small government, stay out of my business.
What I do is between me and God or whatever, you know, whoever you answer to.
And it went to what it is now. And so that's where it's terrifying to think
about if we don't nip this now, what they're really pushing for with the children, especially.
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And I'm so tired of the other side not admitting that there's something more
to this that a lot of us see, but they don't want to admit to it.
So that makes me wonder if they are part of the plan. So that's one thing I don't know.
And I'm not accusing anybody on the other side. But sometimes you have to ask that question.
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Because right now in the classroom, these things are already being pushed on
our kids. As I said, I have five kids.
They've been in public schools, private schools, charter schools, homeschool.
We've done everything. everything we've had thankfully just
a handful of issues with this with my children but i
mean schools are already to a certain
extent the public schools are an indoctrination place where
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they really are just trying to churn out it feels like little marxist because
you talked about a bigger agenda that is the agenda behind a lot of this is
is marxism so i don't the public schools won't even be recognizable at that
point in time, I don't think. Yeah, definitely.
I'm afraid I would not have any connection to what we see right now with the direction we're going.
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I mean, look at the classroom right now. I don't even recognize that classroom
with all those gay and trans and in-between flags and everything.
Well, and I think school, you know, back even, I think we're around the same
age, back when we were in school, I mean, it really was majoritively about math,
learning how to read and write, learning some history,
having some recess and PE, some fun time, you know, and I mean,
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it really was the focus was teaching kids the basics of education.
These other things that they are trying to teach our kids in school,
that they're teaching, what's happening is they're teaching the younger teachers
that are in college, which is college, the whole other indoctrination place anymore.
And they're teaching those teachers, those new teachers, that it's their job
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to come in and talk to our children about things that they shouldn't be talking
to them about. That is a parent's place.
And our parents' rights have been under attack too with all of this.
We are in charge of the upbringing of our children, not the teacher,
not the principal, not anybody else, just the parent.
And so that has been under attack, too. And that's why you're seeing so many
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parents rise up against it, which is good and very positive.
I mean, we don't want everybody necessarily to have to abandon the public school system.
But I mean, if I had a kid right now, homeschooling is the only way I could see to go.
Is that what you're seeing is this growing trend toward get out of this environment?
And what's the effects on public schools? Absolutely. Well, I mean, this is the thing.
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There's something called free market, which means competition and public schools.
That's why in Arizona, we're the leading state as far as the empowerment scholarship
accounts where you can basically take your taxpayer money,
your portion of that, and you can put your child where you feel is the best
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fit for them. You can put them in a private school.
You can use that for homeschooling. And what you're seeing is if the public
schools are not going to be able to compete properly and the parents feel like
their kids are going there just to be indoctrinated,
well, then they have the right to pull them out and to put them somewhere where
they feel they are going to get a better education.
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And so eventually in states like
Arizona, where we've led the way with the ESAs, you are going to see...
A lot of kids get pulled out of public schools because parents,
public schools need to understand parents just want their kids to know how to be citizens,
you know, successful citizens in society, to be able to do basic math and read
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and write and all of those skills we used to get taught.
And so eventually it is going to hurt the public schools very badly if they
don't realize these things and how the parents are feeling.
And that's free market for you. I mean, if they're not going to do what they
need to do, then they're going to continue to struggle.
But in Arizona, we give half of our budget, over half of our budget to public school.
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So those monies need to be directed and allocated properly, which right now,
they're not being given to the teacher and the student, you know, to the classroom.
Classroom they're given to a lot of times the bureaucrats
at the top make way too much money in
our public schools but potentially if you did put
more of that money toward the teachers and the classroom and the students you
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might see an improvement as well but i think there's been a really big exodus
of teachers out of the public school system too because there have been teachers
that have felt that they wanted to share their values but if they don't align with the woe ideology.
A lot of times the teachers then get reprimanded or in trouble for sharing that.
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So you're allowed to share one type of ideology, but if you try to share another,
you're reprimanded for it.
So there's a big exodus out of the public schools with teachers as well. Wow. Yeah, there is.
Can you talk a little bit about what you know as far as the education process
or the teachers unions, you know, these kids are getting out of high school
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or they're getting out of college.
And then they go right into this,
Well, you know, diversity, inclusion, sort of mindset, CRT mindset.
And it's like the only way that they can be put into a school.
How can we where do we stop that?
I don't know. I know there's been some good legislation actually to stop the CRT.
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And actually, there's an even bigger umbrella over that that a lot of people don't know about.
It's called SEL, social emotional learning. And that's kind of how they've hidden
a lot of these ideologies in there.
And I've even talked to friends who are teachers or they're special special needs teachers.
And they thought, well, what's wrong with social emotional learning?
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What's wrong with teaching kids about emotions? Well, that's how they sneak
a lot of this in there. So we have tried to push forth legislation to kind of stop some of that.
Teaching any child that, especially a young white male like my nine-year-old,
that he is racist, that he's born racist because his skin color is white and
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he's a male, that is ridiculous.
That is so terrible to teach a child, a young child. by the CRT and SEL,
it's so dangerous for our kids.
Once again, it should be math, reading, writing, those types of things, history in school,
not teaching our children they're racist because of the way they were born,
not teaching our children that, you know, let's say a young boy,
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it's so normal for a young boy to go and see his mom doing makeup and to be
curious and those types of things.
But some of these insane parents, once he brings up that, oh,
he wants to be pretty like mommy. Well, oh, he must want to be a girl.
And it's like just this insanity where, you know, back in the day,
it was like, well, let's fix you up and make you pretty, so to speak.
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But to think that he wants to have his penis cut off, sorry,
and wants to be a girl because he says that and he's four years old.
I mean, this is absolute insanity.
What's going on? It is. It disgusts me. And it is evil, as you said earlier,
because there are kids, if you watch some of these horrific documentaries about
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girls that felt because of this push,
that if you feel a certain way, you must want to be a boy.
And these girls get their breasts cut off and all these things.
And then they get to be in their 20s. And they have so many regrets.
And then they're unable to have children.
And I mean, this is devastating what they're doing. And that's why I'm so happy
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groups like you are speaking out very boldly and very bluntly about what is going on.
Because these kids, once they make these changes, they can't go back. This is lifelong.
And many of them have regret later, and there's nothing they can do.
So we have to step in groups like you, Gays Against Groomers,
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legislators who see what's going on, even local leaders, school board members,
school boards are so important right now to get good people on those school
boards to stop this at the curriculum level, to stop with the book that they're
putting in front of our kids.
I mean, all of these things, we need to work together at all of our levels,
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different organizations that are fighting it.
And we just have to keep being vocal and getting the word out that this is what this is about.
And I think that that has really grown. I'm sure you've seen your organization
grow by leaps and bounds since you started because more and more people are waking up. Absolutely.
It is growing and people are waking up. And this is a very polarizing issue.
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It's like there are still people out here that don't believe this is happening.
Like, I know people and I've talked to them about the activism that we're involved
in or what's happening in schools and they even have kids.
But there's like there's these two echo chambers, these silos,
these bubbles where, you know, we either are very aware of what's going on or
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we're in complete denial.
And, you know, we're opposed to this other side that keeps saying there's a
boogeyman that doesn't exist there.
And then we're just like going head to head on that.
What do you say to somebody who says, this isn't really happening?
You're exaggerating the whole problem.
Well, that's a hard one because I get a lot of those people that,
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you know, the trolls or whatever you want to call me on social media when I
boldly speak out about it and they say, oh, no, you know, like with the drag
queen story hour. Oh, it's completely harmless.
There's not all they're doing is reading a story, you know, those types of things.
I mean, some of the pictures and the videos I've seen from some of these events is shocking.
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I mean, there are there one that I like to post. It's a picture of a drag queen
with, you know, big breasts.
All that he has on there are two little star pasties and a thong.
And they're literally parading around in front of kids.
Some of them are having the kids put dollar bills in their G-strings.
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I mean, it is like, do you people take your kids to strip clubs too?
I mean, that's the thing is even when you boldly get out there and show videos
like that and show pictures like that, people still want to say that's not happening. That's not real.
And it's like you can circle a little child, little girl in the video,
and they still, they want to put their blinders on.
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I don't know why they are doing that. I'm not sure what the push is.
I hear it at the Capitol all the time from the other side, is this is an attack on the trans community.
You're so hateful. You're so bigoted. It's like, no, this is not an attack on these people.
I don't, what an adult does in their free time, in their bedroom,
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is that up to that adult, you know, this is about the kids.
And whether there's a child there at the moment or not, not.
That's the ultimate goal.
And you can see it. That is the agenda that's behind this is to brainwash our
children, basically, and indoctrinate them to think that this is normal.
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And it's not. And like I said, eventually, they're trying to get that to pedophilia.
I truly believe that. And we have to protect our kiddos.
Let them be kids. Let them be children, for goodness sake.
When I was a kid, we ran around barefoot all summer, rode our bike.
It was just not this. it. There's such a push to just not let our kids just be.
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Yeah, you know, the internet is a double edged sword.
It's like it can you have all the knowledge in the world in your pocket on your phone.
And it can also be used to spread perversion or to accelerate and develop these perverted agendas.
And so it's it's gone on to another level. And you're absolutely right.
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It It is all tending toward pedophilia. It seems to me that the people who are
denying it the hardest, and maybe I'm just like trying to imagine like a valid
psychology of how they could come to the conclusion.
It almost seems like they subconsciously don't want to acknowledge it until
there's way too many kids involved.
So they can finally say, oops, I guess you were right. Oops, I guess it was a mistake.
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Well, now here's the problem. Let's just work with it now.
Did you catch that documentary that Robbie Starbuck put out called The War on Children?
I didn't. I heard about it. Yeah, you'll love it. Check it out.
He brings up, because he used to work in Hollywood as a producer,
and he brings up something called the mere exposure effect.
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And basically what this says is if you just put an idea in front of a person,
just put it in front of them, you put it in front of enough people,
some people are going to latch onto it, whether or not it makes any sense.
And they're going to start to adapt to it.
And so by spreading the image of the trans ideology through TV or the media,
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there's going to be kids and people will just pick up on it just because it's there.
So what do you think people need to know about propaganda as a whole?
It seems that people underestimate how subtly a kid or any of us can be propagandized.
Well, I have a nine-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter.
And let me tell you, YouTube, they love YouTube like most kids.
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And they're even using algorithms in some of these, like YouTube and places
like that, where they're specifically targeting children with this stuff.
They are targeting them in shows and they're kids' shows.
They're supposed to be children's shows. And so I think that the best way,
once again, because our children are being specifically targeted in that.
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It's just part of the media, the using of the media.
You have to communicate with your kid. You cannot just pretend,
you know, you can't be an ostrich with your head in the sand with this and just
hope that nothing ever presents itself to your children.
You have to be talking to them. And unfortunately, you're having to talk to
them a lot younger these days.
I know, like you mentioned with the internet and access to all of these types
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of things, porn is very accessible now.
I have a 19-year-old son. I had to have a conversation with him about that when
he was probably eight or nine, honestly, because it's so easily and readily available.
And so parents are really, really hurting their children if they don't have
those honest conversations.
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And I have a very open communication line with my two youngest,
and we've already had those conversations.
My 11-year-old daughter came to me and said...
Kiddo in her fifth grade class is already saying that she's a boy instead of a girl.
And so we were able to have a conversation about that because we've already,
you know, we had already opened up that line.
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And so my daughter felt like she could come to me and say, hey,
mom, this is going on. So we could have a conversation at that point in time.
So the more, I mean, my kids are to the point where if they see something weird,
whether it's you know trans or something geared
with indoctrinating them they let me
know right away oh this happened on
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this show i guess i'm and they will shut off the show so i'm
very blessed in that way but i've also been very very open
with them and they feel that they can talk to me about this stuff you're doing
your child a disservice if you don't do that these days there is too much like
you said the boogeyman the boogeyman's out there and he's coming for our kids
to get in there and eventually do some major damage to them potentially.
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And I'm hoping my kids too can also be there maybe for some of their classmates,
some of their friends down the road if they need somebody to talk to about that
and maybe be a good, you know, solid foundation for them to confide in and maybe help them through that.
So, you know, my job as a mom is to raise them up to be functioning citizens
of Arizona and the United States someday. So that's part of that.
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Yeah. And I'm so glad that there's mothers like you all over the place that
are taking on their responsibility to make sure their kids are patriotic.
They love their country.
They have a moral compass. They know what the issues are and they've informed
them, look, this is what you're going to confront and this is the way to go.
Because when the parents are hands off, they're not acknowledging these issues.
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The kids are going to be raised by these teachers.
And that's a nightmare. Let me ask you a question about censorship.
So when we talk about, you know, the last several years, you've had a lot of
truth or type information come out and it's been pushed back.
By the mainstream media and certain other types who say that we need to silence
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these voices of misinformation.
And then we're on the flip end saying, okay, we've got all of this propaganda
coming into the schools and that needs to not be there.
And then all of a sudden we hear this other side saying, that's censorship,
you know, don't censor us.
So it's kind of like, it's a two-edged sword of destruction.
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It's like we want to censor the truth, but don't censor the lie, or you're a bigot.
What can we do to keep the information in front of the kids pure and wholesome?
Well, that's a tough one. So there's some interesting history on propaganda.
I don't know if you knew, but it used to be illegal.
Propaganda was actually illegal in the United States. And under President Obama.
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He passed an executive order to make it legal.
So that's where you see all of this propaganda in the news media now.
And like you said, the biggest censorship has been social media,
Facebook, Twitter, before it became X.
I think X is a lot better now under Elon Musk, but I still think there's some censorship going on.
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A lot of the independent journalists get censored a lot for misinformation.
So that's a tough one because they are always going to try to censor the truth and allow the lies.
And especially now that propaganda is perfectly legal in the United States,
it's sometimes hard to even kind of sift through what is the truth and what are the lies.
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But I think with the agenda we're talking about today, it's very obvious what's going on with that.
And so I do think that we just need to keep being as vocal as possible and be
willing to be, you know, have hateful people come at you because they do.
When you're speaking truth, when you're trying to protect children,
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unfortunately, there's a very loud minority, I think, that is really good at
trying to crucify you over that.
But then we should all remember, we must be over some kind of target, right?
And I'm sure you guys I get it all the time. I know myself and my colleagues.
People who believe what I believe do as well.
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So I think at the legislative level, I mean, there are things that we can do.
And we've tried to run legislation to kind of keep social media from being able
to, you know, come down on, especially when you're a political figure of a certain party,
they like to come after you, especially during election season.
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So we've tried to push forward legislation to make sure they can't do that,
can't target you based on your political party, especially as an elected official.
Unfortunately, we haven't gotten a lot passed or done because of who's on the
ninth floor, but we have to keep pushing for that.
And we have to make sure our federal legislators, our congresspeople that are
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supposed to serve us, call them, let them know that you want certain things
to be put out to protect free speech. The First Amendment is so important.
It's such a critical part of the United States of America.
And so it's important to also continue to fight for free speech because just
because you don't like what someone has to say doesn't mean that you get to
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shut them up. We have gotten so soft the last few years.
I think it's really ridiculous because we should support free speech even if
we don't agree with the other side.
But I think when you run into issues with the First Amendment,
it's when it endangers somebody.
And when people are speaking very bluntly about hurting children or hurting
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anyone, that's a problem to me.
So there are certain stipulations around the First Amendment and free speech.
But for the most part, you should have the right to speak freely in America.
It's what makes our country so great.
You know, that makes me wonder, where do, I mean, we have rules and regulation
laws in place that say, fine, you have free speech, but it doesn't mean that
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you You can say just anything to kids, for instance.
I mean, if you just go up to a child and start whispering sweet nothings and
cry, First Amendment, First Amendment.
That's basically what the whole drag queen story hour thing is.
And I wonder, like, do we need to make firmer guidelines or firmer restrictions
and penalties for this type of corruption?
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I mean, Socrates was put to death for the corruption of the youth.
And all he was doing was spreading a general philosophy of thought.
Here, we're encouraging kids to question what they are and go down paths of
surgery, irreparable surgery.
Yeah, well, I think that's why the legislature has tried to put forth some legislation
to protect children from being in the vicinity of some of these people,
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these drag queens that are really endangering them.
I mean, this indoctrination, when you talk about the First Amendment,
when it incites violence or endangers a child, I just think that there are some
stipulations when it comes to the First Amendment.
But we have to protect our kids.
And so as legislators, we've tried to do that with legislation.
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As I mentioned, parents, you're the number one people or you're the number one
person to protect your child or your children. So, yeah.
That's where it gets tough. I mean, if there are issues where your child's put
in danger in their school environment, take them out of that school,
put them somewhere else. In Arizona, there are no excuses.
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You have access to at least $7,000 to put your child in a different school, in a private school.
There are some really good charter schools in Arizona. So we have to try to protect them that way.
But like I said, I mean, First Amendment, that's a tough one.
Because when you believe in freedom, and freedom of speech is one of the tenets
of that, you know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
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I mean, you have to stick by that. But where's the line? When it's endangering
a child, when it is pedophilia, when it's grooming, I mean, that's in your name. So and that's a problem.
So there are lines that can be crossed with the First Amendment,
for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
It's really tricky terrain when every time you make a point and they go this
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way and that, and then you find them out on this and they just turn it around.
It's like, you know, I know you are, but what am I getting constantly?
What does a healthy relationship between the government and our rules and regulations,
particularly around protecting kids and the LGBT community look like?
Do we want to go back to just like, let's just go back to how it was five years
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ago and then stop the forward progression toward this MAPS, Minor Attracted
People movement? Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, we do need to go back to where when you're teaching a child,
it's okay to mutilate his or her body.
I mean, for goodness sake, they say that the brain Brain doesn't even fully
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develop until a human being is 25 years old.
Why are we allowing kids to transition at 13, 14, 15 years old?
I mean, they're not able to make those types of decisions. When you're a teenager,
it's like, you know, you're invincible.
You're Superman. You can't really see extremely far into the future.
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It's kind of like day in, day out. So when you're being allowed,
you know, and some of this is happening behind the parent's back, too.
That's the crazy part. So those are the lines that are being crossed that we do have the right.
I mean, I'm a small government person. I'm a Republican, for goodness sake. I'm conservative.
And I hate regulations. I hate taxes. I'm your typical conservative with that stuff.
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But at some point when it has to do with protecting kids and supporting parents,
supporting parents' rights, I don't think that that's a government overreach.
Personally, I think that if the public schools are not going to protect our
kids themselves, then it's going to take the government to move in and say,
you're going to protect our kids.
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That's one of your number one priorities as a school environment, in my opinion.
Opinion parents send their kids to school expecting them
to be safe if their safety's breached if
that they can't even keep that their end
of the the bargain on that on safety well then
there's an issue and that's where i think the government has a right to move
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in and say well then you're going to listen to us and we're going to pass this
law to make sure that the kids are safe because i think local government you
know the more the smaller and more local the better But when a local government
is failing the students and the parents,
then the bigger government, in my opinion, has the right to move in and say,
well, we're going to make you protect them then.
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So that's when it's okay for government to get involved at a smaller level.
Otherwise, hands off. If you're doing a good job, of course not.
It's just like the federal government shouldn't be interfering with our state government, right?
There are a lot of issues that are just state issues. Same concept.
Absolutely. You know, that makes me think about the whole question of whether
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this is, you know, coming out of society organically or it's a top-down operation,
which I think we both agree and anybody who's paying attention can tell it's coming down.
You know, June's right around the corner, Gay Pride Month, and every brand is
going to turn into a rainbow all of a sudden.
And everybody is, you know, being affected by the DEI, diversity and inclusion.
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I don't know why he's alluding to me right now.
But so the question is, what role, since the local government can't seem to.
Do much. What role are the globalists playing in this?
Oh, gosh. They're just like you said, the top down.
They are the ones that are really pushing a lot of these agendas for sure.
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I mean, when you start getting into like the World Economic Forum and some of
those bigger global globalist organizations, you can see it.
You can see what they're trying to do, what they're trying to push us into as
a society as a whole. And a lot of it is about control.
It's controlling the the masses is really the most of what it is.
I mean, with this DEI stuff, it is insane to me because what you end up doing,
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let's use race, for example.
A lot of this DEI stuff where you're saying this one group, whether it's by
the color of their skin, whatever it is, is being discriminated against.
And then these DEI people are actually taking African-Americans and segregating
them again, where Martin Luther King Jr.
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Fought to stop segregation when it was occurring and it was wrong.
And now a lot of this DEI stuff is actually segregating us. It's dividing us.
And it's that division. That's one of their goals.
If they can turn us on each other, I'm going to call us, we're like the peasants down here.
You have the elitists, the globalists at the top. We're all the peasants down here.
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And that's what I try to tell some of these trolls on my social media that I
mentioned the Uniparty the other day.
I think we talked about the Uniparty the last time I saw you. It's real.
The Uniparty is real. And they don't care if you have a D or an R by your name.
They don't care about the color of your skin.
It's them versus us, whether these people want to admit it or not. We are all them.
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We're all the peasants at the bottom, the elitists and the globalists eventually
want to control all of us.
And some of us are just apparently more willing to be the useful idiots for them.
And some of us are actually going to stand up and try to fight against this
because we see it for what it is. So.
Some of these things that happen, if we think that this is just showing up without.
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Massive amounts of funding, we're fooling ourselves.
There is someone at the top funding a lot of it. A lot of these woke agendas,
all of these ideologies.
And I mean, they're doing a pretty good job. But I think that there is a shift
in the younger generation. I'm seeing a lot of polls.
I have a 19-year-old son. I think that there's a shift because they've almost gone too far.
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That's some of what I'm seeing too, when I kind of go out and feel the temperature
of everything politically.
It's almost like I think, you know, under 30s now are actually shifting our
direction because it's gone too far.
And so I'm kind of glad they overplayed their hand in a way because I think
that that's going to help us shift back to where the pendulum's a little more even in the middle.
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Because right now, I mean, they've been so intent on shifting and all the way
to the left. They just overdid it. So that's a good thing for all of us.
Yeah, it really is for people who need it, like starkly contrasted in order
to see anything, you know, because it's just too vague.
Well, it's very obvious now what's going on and what they're pushing. So there's no excuse.
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That's the bottom line, I think. I think it's, you know, interesting,
like you said, write your congressperson, your senator, whoever makes me think,
you know, your voice is a vote that you have available to you all your
These people are sitting there and,
you know, they're trying to read the temperature of their constituents,
of their districts or whatever.
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And you can speak, especially to these particular politicians who aren't already on the front lines.
Like, you know, people can send it to you. They can send it to Senator Justine
Wadsack or Cory McGarr or whoever, but who already are on the front lines.
And they'd be preaching to the choir, and I think it would still be a good support
for you, but especially as people who are really supporting and wanting to keep this in schools.
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Do you think that because, again, this does not seem to have grown up organically,
and a lot of these politicians seem to have...
Other vested interests in it, whether it's lobbyists or they've made campaign
promises to people or they're being controlled.
They've been placed there perhaps, which is why they are coming out of nowhere,
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not doing the will of the people, interjecting this very unnatural narrative into the conversation.
Is it hopeless with these people? Can they be woken up so they turn about face
to these puppeteers and actually start doing the will of the people,
their job? Well, I hope so.
So you've hit on a couple of sweet spots for me that I am just always very vocal about.
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Our government is supposed to be representative of we, the people.
The people are in charge.
We are your servant, not the other way around. And so this focus has been lost
as a whole, not looking at any specific subject matter.
A lot of your elected officials have forgotten that we serve you,
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that this is a representative government.
And so that's unfortunate. There are a lot of legislators, both parties,
that do serve the lobbyists. I mean, that is something I'm very vocal about.
Unfortunately, they don't serve you. They make it very clear with the way they
vote, with the fact that they vote on all of the special interest bills,
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which your taxpayer money should not be paying for.
That is just one of the realities up there. And when folks like me who are in
the Arizona Freedom Caucus, when we start to kill some of these bills because
we do serve you, then we're called, oh, we're the right-wing crazies.
We're not willing to work with anybody.
Well, we work for you. That's what they don't understand. I'm not going to work
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with colleagues that sell you out.
I just will not do it. And so...
I do think there's hope. I have some friends on the other side of the aisle.
One of the unfortunate things about this day and age in 2024,
when I was a teenager way back in the 90s, I had friends that did not believe
the same things that I did. They were different.
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They were atheists. I believe in God. They were very left-leaning in their political views.
I've always been. I mean, I watched Ronald Reagan when I was a little girl.
I've always He's been a conservative, but we were able to have the best conversations
and the best debate about different subjects, different topics,
and we were still friends. It was amazing.
And so one of the things that's missing today that I'm so sad for my teenagers
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is that it's like that debate can't happen.
But I have Democrat colleagues on the other side of the aisle that we have great
conversations. We have great discussions.
I try to explain to them why I believe the things I do, about the drag queens,
about different things that we're voting on at the Capitol.
And we can sit there and have a friendly conversation and hear each other out.
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And that's how you grow. I think as a person, we don't do that enough anymore.
And we can still be friends and we can still have differing opinions.
But I'm hoping as I speak some of this into them, that they can,
maybe it will change their minds.
Maybe it will plant a seed. So I don't think they're all.
This is what I'm trying to say with a long version of that.
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I do think if the voters reach out to some of these, especially Democrats,
because they're the ones pushing for a lot of this, and they are controlled to a certain extent.
A lot of them on the other side, they are reading scripts when they explain
their votes. They're told how to vote.
They're very lockstep with each other. My side of the aisle,
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we are all very independent thinking.
We come up with our own things to say. And a lot of times we butt heads because
of that, because we do have independent thoughts over there a lot of times.
But the Democrats, they do seem to be in lockstep and they're told how to vote.
And I've heard from some of them who have left or who are not running again,
that they're really tired of that and their party as well. So always know that
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you can reach out to these people.
If you have a representative or a senator or a US congressman,
we've got two US senators here that most likely lean towards some of this woke ideology.
Politicians, and I hate that word,
Because I am one, but I think of myself more as just a stateswoman,
a representative. But politicians hate pressure.
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They hate to be unloved. They love to have their egos stroked.
They love when people love them and give them praise.
But when you come down on them, call them, tell them you're disappointed in
them, they get inundated with phone calls.
They hate it. The pressure works on these people because they are all about,
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there's a lot of ego in politics.
So call, make those phone calls, inundate their office with calls,
make their assistant crazy to where she or he is begging them to please do something
different so they don't get so many phone calls. The pressure really does work.
I've seen it. Wow, that's really great advice.
Well, we've got just a minute or two left here, actually. And this one's kind
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of a compound question, because I want to ask you about the so-called Overton window.
You know, these positions that, for instance, we're espousing right now about
protecting children and common sense behavior in those settings used to be considered
like middle of the road, like most people agreed on it.
And then, you know, since really COVID, all of the narrative has been going
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very far left, Very woke,
leaving the middle in the dust in the now to the right and everybody who was
already conservative is now officially far right.
So I want to ask you, because we're often referred to as a democracy,
and I'm concerned about that subversion of language in and of itself,
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because people don't realize that we're actually a constitutional republic with
maybe democratically elected leaders,
but that there is a big difference between democracy and a constitutional republic. public.
And one is basically mob rule, like the society will decide which one of your
so-called inalienable rights you will keep.
Well, the other one says, look, you can pick your leaders, but you're not going
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to take away people's right by popular vote.
What do you think is the problem right now that people are facing because of
the pressure to both submit to the will of the people
and while at the same time they need
to like remember like you can't just take rights
away from people because it's a popular thing to do yeah well we have this beautiful
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document called the constitution right and as you said we're a constitutional
republic i think the the whole democracy this is the democracy i mean you hear
it from people all the time that's been very intentional, too.
That's been an intentional narrative to get us into this majority rule, mob rule mentality.
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And we need to remember that is not how our country was founded.
We were founded as a constitutional republic.
That is a document that does not expire. It gives us our right as Americans,
you know, as we talked about the First Amendment, the Second Amendment,
All of these rights that we have, and I believe are God-given rights as well,
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we need to make sure that the next generation is taught civics and taught about
this because what they've been able to do is change history books, basically.
And and it's all part of the indoctrination of
our kids where they have been able to take a lot of
this out of what they're teaching our children and it's
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so they can have a hold to get a hold of the narrative
just like we've talked about this whole interview that's their whole plan is
to control the narrative and and that's so dangerous because once we have mob
rule and it is shutting Shutting down our First Amendment rights and the God-given
rights we have as Americans,
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this is not going to be in the same country anymore.
We're already staring in the face of a completely different country than I grew
up in, which is terrifying for me because I do have five kids.
And it's terrifying for the next generation. Because like I said,
I think we're around the same age.
And I remember being a kid. They let us be kids.
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We ran around barefoot all summer. We rode our bikes. We drank out of the hose,
for goodness sake. And it wasn't this big crisis.
They're not doing that. They're changing the complete foundation of our country right now.
That is what they're trying to do. That's why the globalists are funding it.
That's why it is top down.
It's to take away the shining light on the hill in the world, honestly.
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Because if we lose America with what it has been,
where we were this melting pot, where you could be you, and we had so many different
types of people here, and we have enjoyed freedom and things like that.
The minute we lose that, and we lose America, it changes the entire world. And they know that.
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This is the last stand, it feels like, and it feels like we are what's standing
in the way of the globalists.
And that's why they're coming so hard for us.
And that's why they're coming so hard after our kids, the next generation,
because they can completely ideologically change what America has been and what we've loved about it.
That's scary, but that's why we have to fight.
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I do not like the gray hair and wrinkles I get from being in this world,
but I do it because of that. We have to fight right now.
What you guys are doing is awesome. We all have our lanes.
We all have to fulfill our God-given purpose, and we have to fight. Absolutely.
Well, I appreciate you unraveling that ball of yarn that I just threw you with
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that convoluted question.
I apologize for the way that was worded, but beautiful response to that.
Where can people find you on social media? I want to follow up with you. Yes. So I am on X.
I'm at R, uppercase R, uppercase J, the number four. and then all lowercase Arizona.
And then I think I'm the same on Truth Social. I'm not on Instagram.
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My political website is, let me see, I spent a lot on Rachel or Jones for Arizona.com, sorry.
And I am on Facebook as well. So send me a friend request.
I don't post a lot on my political page on Facebook because they shadow ban me.
That's one of the platforms that really know they don't let me say a whole lot.
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So I post the least on there. But I also have a personal Facebook page that
I'd love to be friends with you.
And thank you, Robert, for all that you do for your friendship.
Very blessed to know you. And I really appreciate the opportunity to talk. Likewise.
And I personally feel very blessed to have you as one of my representatives in the state.
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And hopefully our listeners are just as lucky to find just the same kind of
representative that they can lean on in their respective states.
So thank you again for your time, and I will talk to you soon.
And for our listeners, we will talk next week. They're joining us.
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