Episode 14: Unmasking Indoctrination with Alvin Lui of Courage is a Habit

In this compelling episode of "The Dark Side of the Rainbow," host Robert Wallace sits down with Alvin Lui from Courage is a Habit. Alvin shares the mission of his organization, which is to empower parents to protect their children from indoctrination in schools. He discusses the importance of providing parents with actionable tools and strategies to combat the pervasive influence of social-emotional learning (SEL) and the transgender ideology within K-12 education.

Alvin emphasizes the significance of exclusion in good parenting, arguing against the blanket acceptance of inclusion and empathy promoted by schools. He sheds light on the tactics used by educational institutions, such as weaponizing kindness and language contamination, to manipulate both parents and children.

The conversation also covers the challenges parents face when their children identify with harmful ideologies like furries or transgenderism. Alvin provides practical advice on how to address these issues and the critical need for parents to be assertive and courageous in safeguarding their children's well-being.

This episode is a must-listen for parents, educators, and anyone concerned about the indoctrination of children in today's educational system. Don't miss Alvin's invaluable insights and learn how you can take a stand to protect the next generation.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the dark side of the rainbow this is

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robert wallace and today we have elvin louis
from courage is a habit and thanks for joining us elvin hey thank you for having
me it's always such a pleasure to do anything with gays against groomers appreciate
that so elvin your organization Organization is designed to really help parents
to speak out and make a change and protect the children.

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And so can you give us a little background about how you formed and your mission?
Absolutely. Happy to. So courage is a habit really has two missions, so to speak.
The first one is exactly what you said. We create tools and strategies for the average parent.
We know that parents, especially parents with school-age children,
the younger ones, they sometimes don't even have time to take a shower.

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Much less spend 20 hours a week trying to figure out all the indoctrination
tentacles in K through 12.
And the schools are oftentimes very dishonest about it.
Gaslight parents, mislead parents run them around. So it's very difficult to
understand the indoctrination happening. And so we.
We try to take these concepts and whittle them down to easy-to-consume tools or artifacts.

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They're visually very attractive, easy to understand. But more importantly,
we always have a call to action.
At Courage as a Habit, we believe that if you just create outrage without an
outlet, it actually ends up creating hopelessness.
And I think that's what happens a lot on our side of the fence,
where people are just so eager to tell everybody the big problems that they

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don't realize that to just your average American parent who's building their
family and businesses and taking care of their lives, that it's a lot to put on someone's feet.
So we don't try to bring just a huge load of problems every time we talk to parents.
We try to whittle it down to things that they can understand,
and we slowly build their knowledge, build their confidence.

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But we always have a call to action so that they know they can do something the very next week.
That's the first thing the second thing that we do which is probably
more important we and and i get again and
you know we we say this a lot i know that gays against groomers do
such a great job and we focus both of our organization focus very
much on the indoctrination and the sexualization of kids but we know that parents

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know how to protect their children we know this instinctively you may not know
when you have a child especially the first one you may not know how to do anything
else when you bring that child home, but you know how to protect your child.
That is your natural, biological, God-given.
The initiative and you know how to do it. What makes this time so special where

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parents go, I don't know what to do is because they've been brainwashed first.
So we often say kids are being brainwashed. This is true, but the parents are
the ones who are being brainwashed first.
So the second thing that we do at Courage is a Habit is to explain to parents
how they're being brainwashed because we believe that if we can take that veil
off that they'll naturally know what to do.
So, and that's probably some of what we're going to talk about today.

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And hopefully Hopefully that'll help the people who support you and follow you.
Excellent. So thank you for that background and thank you for what you're doing.
What would you say is the number one piece of encouragement that you find yourself
giving to parents who are like, this is the first time I've ever spoken out.
This is the first time I've ever like taken a stand for anything like this.

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And I don't know if I got what it takes or if I'm going to make a fool of myself.
What do you say to them? If you don't stand up for your children today,
they will live on their knees tomorrow.
When you're a parent, that is not an option. Any more than if someone broke
into your house, if someone grabbed your child at Target or Walmart or a grocery store,

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you wouldn't go, you know, let me go see what Gays Against Groomers has to say
about this. Let me go read a few white papers.
You know, someone might call me a racist or a bigot. I don't know.
I don't want to overreact. You wouldn't do that.
So that is not true. true first of all
i would tell them that's not true you know exactly what to do if your
child was in a burning building you wouldn't know what to do and if the fire department

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said no don't run in there you're gonna die you would ignore everybody you
would run in there even if it meant giving up your life and that's
true for both parents and grandparents alike so that is not true i remind them
that in those scenarios so then i bring it back i go so in every other scenario
i can give you you wouldn't know what to do you wouldn't say let me let me stop
and let's see what courage is a habit has to say about it and then so i'll ask

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them the same thing i just said earlier,
what makes this time so special? What makes...
Your child being in a government building that has the word school on it,
what makes that so special?
You wouldn't know what to do if it was a violin class, a swim class.
Walmart, Target, grocery store.
What makes a government building so special? And that's what we get back to
because you've been brainwashed.

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You've been brainwashed to believe that you're a bigot or a transphobe or you're
overreacting and those type of things.
Whereas if you were anywhere else, if someone broke into your house,
if your child was in a burning building, if someone grabbed your child at a
grocery store, there's nobody there trying to gaslight you. And that's the difference.
And that's why we said that that second thing of what we do is actually more important.

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Man, I can really tell you're orbiting around the nucleus of what courage really is.
And it really is more of an impulse, more of an automatic response in the name
of what needs to be done because you know you need to do it. It's a habit.
It's a habit. This is why we don't say – I mean, even though it's true,

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the phrase courage is contagious.
It's true. It's obviously very true. And that's just a human thing, right?
If we hung out with people who are entrepreneur-minded and wealth-building-minded,
then we would find ourselves reading some of those books, adopting some of those
things, listening to podcasts.
Podcast, if we hung out with a lot of people who are very health conscious and
workout conscious, and that's what they talk about a lot, we would then end

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up starting to adopt some of those workout habits and eating habits,
eating cleaner, things like that.
So attitudes are habitual, or excuse me, attitudes are contagious.
This is true. If you hang out with a certain group of people,
the contagion of whatever it is, and then the reverse is true, right?
You hang out with a lot of people who drink a lot, you'll end up drinking more
than you naturally would because it's a contagion. But here's the thing about a contagion.

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If you don't actually focus on, let's say, building wealth or working out,
or if you're not a big drinker, the moment you stop hanging out with those people,
you will go back to whatever your natural inclination is, whatever your natural default is.
This is why we don't say courage is contagious, because that indicates that
you need other people around you in order for you to have the courage to sign up for your children?

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What happens if people stop speaking out? What happens if this big movement stops or slows down?
Does that mean that you need that source of inspiration to be able to speak out?
But if you make it a habit, that requires no one but yourself.
If a thousand people stand behind you, great. If no one stands behind you, it makes no difference.
And you guys hear it a lot. I know that because I've seen it where they go,

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oh, it's so great. Gays Against Groomers, you guys come to speak at a school board.
This is great. We really need you guys to speak up because you guys,
they can't call you guys a bigot even though they do.
And I hear that and I go, that's fantastic. That's fantastic.
But what happens if Gays Against Groomers don't come into your school board?
What if you're one of the school board? Or what if one of you are the district
that they can't make it to? Then what happens?
And therein lies the idea that courage has to be a habit.

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It can't be a contagion because then the contagion requires other people to give you that strength.
When you're discussing the habituation of the habit trait.
Do you advocate for people to, you know, really focus in this area of like,
you know, just keep standing up for your kids?

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Or is it is it a much broader thing?
Like, you know, you need courage when it comes to defending yourself in an unexpected
situation in a store and defending your kids and standing up for your own development
and doing what you know is right.
Is this a is this like an all inclusive sort of thing?
I think, yeah, I get the question is a great question.

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Actually, that's the first time anybody's ever asked me that.
It's a great question. So it is and it isn't because usually,
generally speaking, if you have courage in all parts of your life,
you're going to have courage in general.
It's a good habit to have whether you speak up having nothing to do with offending
your kids, standing up for yourself, or when you know that business deal didn't

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go your way or someone didn't give you permission.
Something that's not fair, a lot of people go, I don't want to say anything
because I don't want to make a scene or I don't want to cause trouble.
So yeah, if your habit's always staying silent because you want to avoid confrontation, then sure.
To what you're saying was right. It's a habitual thing.
If that's how you behave all the time, if you're always worried about what people

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think about you in other aspects of your life, yeah, you're lying to yourself.
If you think, well, I'm not confrontational when these things happen,
but when they come for my kids, I'll know what to stand up for them.
And generally speaking, that doesn't pan out that way.
If you make fear a habit, if you make being you don't want to stand up for yourself

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a habit, then yeah, even if they come for your kids, you don't have that muscle. It's like any muscle.
On the other hand, I've seen also a lot of people who do stand up for themselves,
who do speak out on other things.
And then when it comes to this stuff in schools, tools they they
start to back off you know they don't really behave in
the way that they would in other areas that's why i said it's a
yes or no thing and and the and the difference is

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when it comes to other areas there's generally not
a system that's designed to gaslight
you so i'll take something real example let's say if you
went and you try to return a you know some product
at a store and they start to try to
say you can't return it you're like but the reason the return
return policy says this yeah but and they start to kind of

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do that oftentimes people go no you know what that's not
right here's the policy i'm going to fight for this
i want to get my money back but there's not something at
that department store that's designed to psychologically manipulate you they
might try to give you a little bit of a runaround but usually if you push back
they'll say no problem sir we'll give you money back but when you come to schools
it's whole it's different because also your children is not a it's not like

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a returning like you know like a pot or something thing. It's very emotional.
So let's get into some of the things that the two things that schools do.
Even out of schools, I think people recognize these two tactics,
especially today with what's going on with America, is they weaponize your kindness.
Because most Americans are really kind, kind people, which is wonderful,

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but it's also a detriment today.
We worship at the altar of kindness and empathy.
And so they weaponize our kindness by continually telling us how unkind we are.
And they can do it in a lot of different forms. Don't you want inclusion?
Don't you want kids to feel belonging? Things like that, things of that nature.
And so when you hear that, 99% of people who don't know that this is happening

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to them, they will automatically go into defensive mode.
And they'll say things like, of course I do. I don't want kids to feel not included.
I don't want anybody to feel this way. Or I know this country's had a lot of
different things against black people.
And that's not what I'm saying. We still have a lot of work to do but and
they start to get into that once they get into that the the
game that that's it the fight's over because they know that they

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can just twist you around and manipulate your guilt and
things like that and that's why i said because parents don't know they think
that that accusation is coming from a good a place of good faith and it's not
it's coming from a place of very bad faith so when you say you know i don't
no child's born in the wrong body you're not gonna you're gonna you're not gonna
sterilize and mutilate children before they even get their driver's license.
It's like, you want them to die?

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It's that kind of thing. It's weaponizing people's kindness, right?
So I always say that we don't have an oppression problem in this country.
We have an idiot empathy problem or a compulsive kindness problem.
We are so deftly afraid when someone goes, hey, you don't have empathy.
And one of the things that we started to do this late last year was we started

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to say, I courage to have it, especially when we do trainings and things is
reject inclusion, embrace exclusion, embrace exclusion, draw hard boundaries.
And the way we explain this is we remind parents that.
Good parenting has always been about exclusion.
When you bring your baby home, for those of you listening that have kids,

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think back when you brought your baby home, especially that first one.
How many people did you let hold your baby?
Think about it. Maybe your mother, maybe your sister-in-law.
That's probably it, right? Your aunt, maybe, right? Why?
Because you know you just want to keep the world out. And then when the baby
starts, when she starts crawling or when he starts walking, even in In his own

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house, he's excluded from 75% of the house.
He can't go into the kitchen. He can't go in the garage. He can't go in the bathroom.
He can't go into your room, right? And things like that. He can't go into the basement.
Even in his own house, he's excluded from 90% or 80% of the house.
Then when they get older, you don't let them just make friends with anybody.

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You cure it. You got to make sure that they have the right friends,
make sure they don't have bad influence.
And then when they start watching television and things and the shows,
well, today we see that what happens, look what happens today when parents don't
exclude social media, look what happens when you include too many things too early.
So good parenting has always been about exclusion.

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Everybody knows this. Even if you don't have kids, you know,
good parenting has always been about exclusion.
So what is this nonsense when you bring a child to school and they put a finger
at your face and go, what's the matter?
You don't want inclusion. And what we train parents to say is,
right, we do not welcome inclusion at all.
And you see how that shifting of that mindset is so important when they go,

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what's the matter? You don't want inclusion?
I go, absolutely not. I'd be a horrible parent. I'd be a horrible father if
I embraced inclusion in my child's life. It's the same thing for empathy.
Empathy should be only reserved for a very, very small group of people in your life.
Empathy should not be to everybody and everything and everyone's plights and

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everybody's whatever oppression they make up.
Empathy should only be applied to people that are very close to you and it should
only be a very, very exclusive group of people that you reserve your empathy
for. So those are the things that we explain.
And when you think of it that way, parents go, that's true.
Parenting is about exclusion. Where did I get the thing? That's called brainwashing.

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That's the brainwashing of parents.
That was an amazing little revelation there, because you're right.
They are weaponizing kindness. They're taking advantage of your inclusionary attitude.
And, you know, you can say that it's true.
You can say that you're being, you know, bigoted or really not caring about
this other group or whatever. But it's that's not your responsibility,

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you know, to fix all of social justice issues.
Your responsibility is to protect your child at any given moment.
You teach them the right things to do.
And, you know, you're going to selectively include things into their life as
it's introduced in a healthy manner.
As you, as the parents, decide when.
And, you know, even if for parents who have multiple kids, multiple kids,

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you introduce things at a different age.
Because even children within that same household have different maturity levels
and personalities and all kinds of different things.
If they're a boy or a girl, what age and this and that.
You got two girls. One's tomboy. One's more girly. And only the parents can make that assessment.

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Only the parents can make that assessment. So this blanketed kindness, be kind, empathy.
So the second thing that's layering on the second concept that's super effective
for bad actors, layering on weaponizing kindness, is what we call language contamination.
So I'll give you two examples, but let me just give you a quick phrase so that

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everybody can remember what language contamination is.
Language contamination is when they use your vocabulary, but not your dictionary.
They use your vocabulary, but not your dictionary. I'll give you two examples,
okay? The first example, let's go back to empathy.
So parents come and say, hey, listen, you're doing all this in school.
What are you doing here? You're teaching all these kids X, Y,
Z, you know, about the transgender ideology.

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You're using social emotional learning and And you're bringing all this intersectionality in there.
And the schools go, no, no, no, don't worry about it. No, no,
no, Mr. Wallace, no, we're not doing that. It's just about teaching kids empathy
and managing their emotions.
And then parents go, oh, right, I teach my kids empathy too.
But most people, when you think about teaching a child, you know,

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seven, eight, nine, ten years old, empathy, you probably, for those listening,
you probably think of things like Like put yourself in someone else's shoes.
Think of how they feel before yourself. How would you like it if they hit you?
You know, how would you like it if someone spilled milk on you?
That kind of thing, right? Depending on the age.
So when schools say that, I was just teaching how to manage emotions,

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how to, you know, empathy for other people.
Most parents go, oh, okay. I guess I just, you know, I guess everything that
we read, everything that we've been reading about it, it's just blown out of
proportion, fear-mongering, that kind of thing.
But what parents don't know is that they're using language contamination.
So you and I both know, Robert, of course, that what they're doing in schools
when they say empathy is they're teaching kids,

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especially girls from very early on in elementary school, that by the time they
talk about intersectionality, oppressed people and people born in the wrong
bodies and how they're oppressed and all these intersectionality very young,
and they leverage that natural empathy that all children have.
All children have a ton of empathy naturally. So by the time the girl's 14,
15, 16, 17, when a man walks into the bathroom and locker room and gets naked

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in front of her, instead of having that visual reaction, that reaction that women should have,
she now has that empathy for him.
She has to put herself in his shoes.
How would you like it if someone kicked you out of the bathroom?
How would you like it if someone took away your human dignity?
They use words like human dignity, human rights. When I tell this explanation.

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Parents, obviously, they react and they're horrified and go,
that's not what I mean, because they couldn't even imagine that.
I said, right, that's not what you mean, but that's what they mean.
That's an example of language contamination.
They use your vocabulary, but not your dictionary. You think of it one way,
they think of it another, but they know you aren't thinking the way they're

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planning on teaching your child, and that's the difference.
That's the one example empathy the second example more closely
in line you guys know this probably better than i do is the
term conversion therapy again they use
what they use language contamination all words but i'm
just picking two so people can remember language conversion therapy
is a term that really isn't in the public vernacular much you know for a long

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time so you've got these transgender cults or what we call the transgender child
mutilation advocates cmas they have gone on around the different states trying
to pass laws banning conversion therapy.
Now, the legislators have no idea that they're using language contamination.
So when you tell an average person, a legislator, a representative.
A senator, parents, and you say, I want to ban conversion therapy,

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they get images of strapping a 10-year-old boy or 15-year-old boy that says
he's gay and shocking him and putting away the gay and all these really violent type of things.
But what the transgender cult refers to as conversion therapy,
It's a therapist is not allowed to ask to dig into the child's the trauma and
the the abuse and if they have a cutting and bulimia and body issues and depression,

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all the things that ninety nine percent of children that gets wrapped up into the cult have.
And you and I both know that there's a most great majority of them have underlining
issues or some kind of abuse or sexual abuse or something like that in their
past. And then the cult takes advantage of that.
So when they ban conversion therapy, they basically say that school counselors,

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therapists, even for those of them that don't want to affirm at all costs,
they want to dig a little deeper, they can't do it because they consider that conversion therapy.
And that is the power of language contamination.
I'll tell you one story that I heard from a therapist who told me this story.
She said that, and she's older now, but 20 years ago, 20 years ago,

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she had a young couple bring their son, three years old.
And he goes, he says he's a girl. He says he feels like a girl.
He wants to be a girl. And remember, this is 20 years ago, so there's no transgender cult, right?
This is where a parent goes, there's something wrong with, this is not right. But he didn't know why.
So the therapist, again, she was back then when they weren't demanding to affirm at all costs,
worked with him a little bit by the third session it

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comes out that this family just
had a baby girl but the baby girl had really serious health issues when she
was born so the parents spent the baby never came home from the hospital so
the parents rightfully so spent a lot of time at the hospital because you know
this kind of touch and go for the little the baby to his sister in this This three-year-old,

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in the sweet three-year-old boy's mind,
he thought that because the parents were spending so much time at the hospital
with his sister, that they loved her more because she's a girl.
And so he thought that if he was a girl, he would get his parents.
Because you got to remember, as an only child, you get all your parents' attention.
All of a sudden, this baby comes in and...
All that's gone. That's how he processed it.

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So of course, the parents, you know, worried that their little girl is going
to pass away, wasn't thinking about that, naturally.
And so when the therapist explained that, of course, the parents felt,
you know, guilty, but then they just worked out to make sure that,
you know, that they spent more time with him and that, you know,
they spent more one-on-one time with him. And guess what?
He didn't want to be a girl. And she told that story and said that if I was

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a therapist today, she would have had to immediately advise them to address
him like a girl, adjust him like a girl, and treat him like a girl, and to change his name.
And then when they're about seven or eight, put them on puberty blockers.
And that's today what she did would be considered conversion therapy.
And that's the power of language contamination, the use of vocabulary but not your dictionary. Wow.
That is an important story. And I think that's happening all over the place in one form or another.

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People are just coming under these influences or getting these ideas,
and they think it's a solution.
And it's really maybe a cry for help. It's really a red flag that there's something not right.
We know most of these trans-identifying youth are all on the autism spectrum.
They are high over. Yeah, very high.

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And yet there are going to guide the rest of their life and like the first,
you know, several years and their formative years are going to they're going
to be allowed to throw themselves off the deep end because parents are just
so inclusionary that anything goes.
And how dare you invalidate my child?
And if that's what little Johnny or Calvin wants, that's what they're going to do. That's right.

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I think one of the things that we all fall prey to is we believe that all traits are either good or bad.
And so when someone says something to us, they're going to kill themselves.
They're not going to feel belonging. They're going to feel this way and that
way. And then they'll say that.
We don't consider who that message is coming from.

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I'll give you just a quick role play here. If I said to somebody,
if someone came up to you, let's say you didn't know this person,
just seems like a nice enough guy, young guy comes up to you and says,
you know, I really love dogs. I have a lot of dogs.
You know, I don't go out too much, but I really love puppies.
And, you know, I play video games. I love puppies. You're like, okay, sure.
You know, you're not very social, but you like dogs.

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Great. You probably wouldn't think too much of it if someone that you met like
at a party or out with friends and they said that, right?
What if later on you found out that that young man that you just talked to at
the bar or the party was actually a serial killer?
Now, him liking puppies, collecting dogs takes on a whole different thing.
You're going to go, what's he doing with these dogs? What changed?

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Nothing changed. He didn't add another piece of fact. He didn't tell you anything.
But who you were talking to changed that piece of information that you got from him.
It's the same thing when I tell parents, ask yourself this one question.
If you ask yourself this one question, you will be less likely to fall prey
to your kindness and empathy being weaponized and language contamination.

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You have to think about it too much. If you ask yourself this one question,
through whose lens is that information being shared or through whose lens is
that trait being taught?
If someone says, you know, I want all kids to feel very comfortable talking to adults.
If this was coming from somebody who was, let's say, a public speaker,

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someone who was a coach who made his life as a life coach and teaching people how to public speak,
if he says, you know, I think kids should learn at a very young age to be very
comfortable speaking in front of adults because they'll do presentations at school and at work.
And if you start that habit early, by the time they get to be in their workforce,
they'll be a very naturally public good speaker, public speaker.

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Right? Makes sense. What if a pedophile said that? I want kids to be very comfortable
speaking in front of adults.
Same piece. I did not change anything about that piece of advice.
All I changed was the person saying it. So if you ask yourself,
don't just go, oh yeah, I agree.
Wait a minute. Through whose lens is that? Who's giving you that advice?
Who's telling you this, that kids are going to kill themselves?

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It's a transgender child mutilation advocate. It's a sick man that pretends he's a woman.
It's some school counselor, some insufferable woke white woman that's a school
counselor that's never met a social contagion she didn't love,
that has never met a sticker she didn't love, that person, if that person tells you something,
probably not somebody you should listen to. So ask yourself through who's a

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lens when someone tells you that, through whose lens is that being advised or
said to you or threatened or whatnot?
You know, that really makes me think, and that is a very powerful observation
because, you know, everything that's said is in the context in which it's said.
It does change its meaning. It does matter. I mean, I can just think of infinite examples.

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So I don't even think we We have to you just made so many great examples.
I think everybody gets it.
And so I think it comes back down to like being privy to, OK,
especially when it comes to your teachers or the people who are advising you. What do you believe?
Like you said, if it is somebody who's just like clinging on to the next social
contagion or if they're a social justice warrior for this or that,

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or they got gay pride flags hanging around their classroom.
Room, you don't have to accept that solid and maybe true advice when it's contextualized
coming from that person in the way that it just meant.
Right. It depends if it's about
a, you know, it really, you have to use critical thinking as a parent.

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You really got to take everything. It's not one or two things.
You have to take context, the person, the kind of person, what is it?
Is it in the context of interpersonal relationship?
Is it a context of sports? There's a lot of things that you can say in the context
of playing a basketball game that wouldn't apply if you were talking to somebody
else or outside of that situation.
So you have to look at that. I'll give you one example that really solidifies

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the idea that traits are not inherently good or bad. Okay.
So I will give you a phrase that hasn't been co-opted yet because there's a
lot of good terms that's been co-opted. Goal setting.
Now, you guys, Gays Against Groomers, have had a lot of goals since your inception
and you guys have primarily hit a lot of your goals. This is why you're so successful.

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You guys have that amazing truck. You guys grew your social media.
You guys are starting this podcast. podcast, you know, you, Jamie and her team
and all you guys have goals, short-term goals, long-term goals,
right? You have internal goals.
Some of the things that you share with us, a lot of things you don't share with
us. So goal setting, what's wrong with that?
So if a school tells you, we're just talking about goal setting,

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you're going to be like, great. You have to have goals, right?
We all, every, every successful person has goals.
Okay. So you know how once in a while there's like a serial killer that gets
onto the loose and the town or the city or the, you know, the city or the state,
they, they, they're up in arms and they're fearful and
they lock their doors even tighter and things like that and sometimes they
you know the police or the fbi they lead them on like a six-month manhunt maybe

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it's like a year manhunt and he really invades police eventually they catch
this serial killer and everybody goes oh good they caught him right when you
catch that serial killer have you ever heard anyone goes you know that guy he's
a good goal setter he had goals then he exceeded those goals unfortunately.
This is why he moved up from a killer to a serial killer. He had grit.
He had to go and there's sometimes some of those victims, he had to wait and

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hunt them down because he couldn't get in her house.
And then he waited and he kept coming back. He stalked her, stalked him.
He was charming. There's a lot of people he disarmed and invited to a certain
place. And that's how he got their victims.
He's resourceful. He led police on a manhunt for six months, stayed off the radar.
So it was very resourceful. We don't say that about a serial killer.
Why? Because we're not insane.

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We're a civilized society. At least we think we are. So we don't apply those
things to a serial killer.
But if you take the horror and the evil of killing human beings,
does he not have those things?
He has those in spades, actually. He has more than a regular person that just
works like at a regular job.
He applies those like a successful entrepreneur.

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Grit, resourcefulness, goal setting, tenaciousness, things like that.
But we don't apply those things to a serial killer because he applied those
traits in a horrific way.
So when someone says, oh, a child should just learn kindness,
should just learn empathy.
No, they should not. They should not learn that in a blanket statement.
What they should learn, and well, when they're younger, it's a little harder.

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But as they get older into that middle school, before middle school,
the most important thing that a parent can teach their child is not these be
kind, be kind, be accepting. No, it's discernment. It's wisdom.
And it's hard to teach children wisdom because they don't have any life experience.
That's why they have parents. And then you hope that when they get old enough
to have some failures and some experience, then they can apply discernment and

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wisdom to when to apply empathy, when to apply kindness, when to get angry, when not to get angry.
All these emotions are all just, they're not good or bad. Sometimes you got to get angry.
Sometimes you don't get angry. Sometimes it's better to be calm,
but you have to learn how to apply those things.
And these blanket it, be kind statements, it's a,
it is a Trojan horse to get parents that back down so that these very,

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these child abusers and these bad actors where they, where some of them are
on purpose, some of them are not, but they are able to blanket everything.
A child's mind to say, you're, you gotta be accepting of everything and everyone in every situation.
And that is absolutely not true, especially when it comes to children. Wow.
Yeah. You know, that right there in the context of satire,

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you might hear something like that, you know, like the serial killer was,
you know, or maybe even a news program, you know, they might try to contextualize
one of those characteristics,
you know, to show you a way that it was manipulated but
that is not what that characteristic is for
that's not what we would associate that behavior that's right and so

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you not attribute the the positive connotations of
that right word to that person given
their intent how they're using it yeah so and
you know and i like how you were using the word
a goal setting earlier is not having yet been co-opted
well you just let the genie out of the bottle the next
thing you know the schools are going to be goal setting for

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your kids to help make sure that they're on track to finding
their true sexuality that's right at the end of
the school year that's right the goal is to get on puberty blockers by
10 yeah yeah we're setting some goals yeah
you know it so that's why asking through whose lens is it through whose lens
is it again we are all good people so if i say hey robert you know i got this
guy this friend of mine he's a great goal setter you're gonna be like great

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you know that sounds fantastic but if i leave out he's a serial killer you're
gonna go hey you left out a really you're You're a very important piece of information, Alvin.
So when it comes to this, protecting your children in the public schools and
all these great sounding words like social emotional learning –
you have to ask yourself through whose lens is it? And today,
unfortunately, in public K-12, government K-12, most of these things are taught

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through the lens of either a critical race theorist or a transgender cultist.
Right. Well, how do you think with regards to social emotional learning, for instance,
would you describe your understanding of that term for the audience and maybe
contextualize or rather like explain how a parent might rephrase or unindoctrinate

(34:29):
their kid from what might've been put into their head that way.
So, because we can probably do a whole show just on social emotional learning because the depth of it.
So I'll try to, I'll skip some of the history. I'll actually give you a link
to your show notes that's written by my co-founder, Jennifer McWilliams.
She's the country's leading expert on social emotional learning.
And she's written some great pieces about the history of it.

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And why it's always been just evil from the beginning.
But for the purpose of this conversation, at a very high level.
Social emotional learning, or what we call SEL, is the program that has systemically,
and the word is systemically, changed K-12 culture.
So I want everyone to understand that this is not just a course.

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It is a course. It is something that children do.
It is data collection. They survey children, and then they manipulate the data
to say, we need more inclusion.
We need more social emotional learning that brings in more of the transgender
ideology and more critical race theory and more intersectionality,
climate crisis, things like that. So it is.
Technically those things, what social-emotional learning is,

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but beyond just the curriculum,
what it did was it changed the culture of the school so that K-12 is now teaching
children to look at everything through an oppressor model and intersectionality.
Now, I said a lot of words there that made kind of like, okay,

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I kind of hear you, but what does that really mean, the culture.
So let me give you an example that's got nothing to do with social-emotional learning.
Imagine if me, Alvin Louie, went to a school and somehow convinced them to allow
me to teach one class, fourth period, about Buddhism. Fourth period Buddhism.
Maybe it's for junior high, maybe it's for a freshman in high school,

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sophomore in high school, something like that.
Okay, so big deal, right? Some kids take it, some kids don't.
Some kids go, I really like Buddhism.
I think I'm going to try to learn some more about this. Some kids come out of
it and it goes interesting, but it's kind of weird.
That's not a big deal because I'm teaching a class about Buddhism.
So I want to tell you who Buddha was, how long he lived, and what people thought

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about him and some of his teachings, things like that.
Now, compare that versus if I'm not teaching a fourth period class on Buddhism,
but if I change the entire school into a Buddhist temple.
When you walk into a Buddhist temple, you're not learning about Buddhism as
a religion or philosophy.
You are learning how to live, make decisions, and practice like a Buddhist.

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You are a practicing Buddhist.
That means the house you buy, how you decorate your home, who you marry,
who your friends are, how you see life when you fail, how you see life when
you succeed, where you think people go when they die.
Your entire life is that of a practicing Buddhist when you walk into a Buddhist temple and you spend.
Many, many hours and many, many years there. All right. So replace everything

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I just said, replace everything I said about Buddhists, Buddhism and a Buddhist
temple with social, emotional learning, critical race theory,
or the transgender ideology.
That's what K-12 is. When your child walks into a K-12, they're not walking
into what you and I think as school when we grew up.
They're walking into essentially a temple.
But that religion is social, emotional learning, which brings in all the intersectionality.

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That's what I mean by the culture is different. The culture has changed.
When you walk into a Buddhist temple, you don't go, well, this part of the temple
is about Christianity and this part's about math.
No, the whole thing is about teaching you to live like a practicing Buddhist.
This is why when you see kids by the time they get to high school and they're
out there on the statehouse chanting trans rights or human rights or BLM or

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what you see in the college campuses today, they act like they're missionaries because they are.
That's what social-emotional learning is. It's not just a curriculum.
It is a religion and it's a culture shift.
And like I said, the link I'll send you, it is from a new age religion.
It is from an organization called the Fetzer Institute, Fetzer,
F-E-T-Z-E-R, and it is a new age religion.

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So social-emotional learning was always meant to be a new age religion,
but the schools adopted it, all the Department of Education and all of them that thought did it.
And now it is what brings in the delivery system.
Disguise as mental health, they call it mental health, but that's a delivery system of all this.
So now you can't get away from it because it's in all the classrooms is how they talk about things.

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Like I said, it's teaching them how to be a practicing Buddhist.
In this case, it's a practicing social justice lawyer.
You know, that example right there, I think said the whole thing.
You know, when you're talking about, for instance, you go into a church,
you go to the temple, you're going for their doctrine and
what do they do they indoctrinate you you go
to be indoctrinated with it's literally called doctrine yeah yeah and so then

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when you take a kid in the same context like what you're saying and all of a
sudden everything is gay and trans and sel and crt and that is the the temple
of the school that you're entering into they are going to be.
Indoctrinated it'll be maybe on posters in the bathroom it's
going to be in the hallways it's going to be in you know
the flags in the classroom and written on speakers yeah your

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speakers everything not to mention at
least yeah not to mention it's purposely in the
lessons which is what you're there to learn so and
people will say well you take your kid with christians or muslims take their
kids to church right but when the parents take their kids to church they know
what they're teaching them when they send their kids to school they don't think
that they're teaching them a different religion and also when people go to church

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they only go like once a week maybe twice Twice a week, if you have like a club or something like that.
They're not spending seven hours a day, five days a week for 13 years.
So that's why I tell parents, if you think you have a different religion at
home or different values, you can't beat that type of exposure because your child is in that temple.
It would be like if I was Muslim, but I sent my child to a Christian church

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for seven hours a day, five days a week for 13 years.
It doesn't matter if I'm Muslim. That child's going to be Christian. It's just immersion.
Exactly. Man, this is a really important area.
Because people a lot, I think a lot of our listeners, you know,
are already like hip to what's happening.
And then we're probably going to get, you know, people who were like new or

(40:55):
just not as, you know, deeply informed, which hopefully we're bringing value
to people's stuff they don't know.
And, you know, when you're thinking like we've all been to school,
we know what it's all about.
And but the thing that a lot of us aren't too keen on is exactly what is happening
in this day and age with this new agenda,
something that, you know, we get a window into through social media and our

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kids might be telling us about.
But we have really no idea what it looks like to live through that day in and
day out, especially with these tactics.
They don't want the parents to know. They don't don't show this to parents.
You know, like during COVID, the Zoom, don't let them watch this.
No, go to this club. We won't tell them that you're in this.

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Transition closets. Transition closets. Yeah. Let's play dress up and then,
you know, put it away when you go home. And oh, my goodness.
So it is like so incumbent on the parent as you love your child to follow up
with what's going into their brain.
Because it's just as important that you take care of their inner thought life
as you do, you know, their body and make sure that they're safe physically.

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Yeah. Well, it's both now. It's equally both because they mess up their mind
and now they want to sterilize themselves and then go through the surgeries and...
Things like that. So yeah, it's, it's, that's why we, you know,
parents, we, we, we give them these tools to go find out.
And one of the things I'll also share with you is it's 10 questions every parent should ask.

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We teach you how to ask it. It's not that you ask all 10.
I'll link that for you as well. And we actually had it translated in Spanish recently.
So even for your Hispanic speakers, we know that that's, that's Hispanic communities
really vulnerable to a lot of this because of the language barrier.
So that's additionally, so, so we have, it's 10 questions Every Parent Should Ask, Volume 2.
And I'll share that with you. So you have it on your show notes and we'll share

(42:49):
the English and the Spanish translation, the Spanish version so that parents
can take these 10 questions and go find out for themselves exactly what's happening
in their child's school.
And these questions are written away if the principal or teacher tries to lie
to you or tries to kind of sidestep it and run you around, it'll be very obvious
that they're not answering straight.
So that's something that we want all parents to use right away. That's awesome.

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And I appreciate that. And we will happily share that. So hopefully people will
go and follow up with our show details and find these notes and then connect with that information.
When you've got a kid who's coming over to their parents, they're saying,
I think I'm trans. No, no, I'm a furry.
Okay. Right. I was talking to somebody recently. They were explaining to me

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that the personality, the personality is the personality of a furry.
And that's where these cartoon images
of these cute little human dog like characters come in that you see.
It's like oh this is like my avatar you know
right personality and then and
then so you got this kid he's got this he's really it

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really appeals to him to act you know like a animal cartoon
character act silly or to you know take on this colorful persona what do you
encourage parents to do in order to you know awake their kids shake them out
of it is there any alternative aside I'm taking them out of the school. I would say that.

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By the time your kids get to that identification, the best thing to do,
no matter what you have to do, is to take them out of the schools.
Because there's no way you can compete with that, again, because you're sending them back.
It's like, it would be like if someone's an alcoholic and you're trying to,
you can't shake them out of alcoholism and then send them back to a bar five
days a week, right? There's no way.

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That's why it's important for parents. I hear this a lot. I think my school's okay.
I haven't really seen anything from my, I haven't seen anything or heard anything from my child yet.
I said, by the time you hear it, it's too late. So we hear this a lot from parents.
You know, everything was fine until about the fifth grade or the fourth grade
or the sixth grade. And then she just turned.
She didn't turn in the sixth grade. She turned at the second grade. You just didn't know it.

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So you have to fight this before you see it. By the time you see it, it's too late.
So when a parent goes, my daughter thinks she's a boy and a furry and the pronouns are Z or they.
There's nothing you can do at this point because you're about three or four years too late.
So you have to take them out of that environment
and it's tough it is really really rough

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because they'll fight you tooth and nail and then the schools try
to keep secrets from you and they'll deem you as abusive but you
got to get them out of the school you got to take away their phones generally
speaking is probably both you probably have you know not understood what was
happening in school and you probably give them too much access to social media
and taking that away for those first 30 60 days it's going to be brutal it's

(45:37):
going to they're going to go through that got detox,
but the parents that have been able to set that we've seen and helped been successfully
been able to detox them magically a few months.
They don't have any of those problems because like we said earlier, it's a contagion.
Once you move them from that source, all of a sudden, they don't feel like that anymore.
And they don't even know why it's not like they don't know when they just go,

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I guess I'm, I don't, I don't know.
I'm just not because you have to remove them. But that first 30,
60 days is really, really rough.
And so if your child is at that point, Blaine, you have to do whatever,
no matter what you have to do, move.
I've had parents move literally out of state just so that they get away from
all their friends and things.
And one story I heard from a parent that was trying to get their daughter away

(46:18):
from it. They removed her from school. They took away her phone.
You know how crazy these transgender, these kids that they weaponized are?
These kids were putting phones in their mailbox for her so that she has a phone
so she can stay connected to social media. She was trying to get her daughter
away and took away her phone and her friends that are all...
Identify as different things we're literally putting phones you

(46:41):
know like burner phones and things like that in their mailbox so that
she can continue that connection that's it's
a cult they cannot let someone out of that cult so and
i don't i don't want to sugarcoat it so i don't want to give you you know i
don't want to give parents some you know advice or some observation that sounds
good but has no real in reality the reality is if your child comes to you you're

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probably three or four years too late and you got to get them out of that environment
that That is just a practical, honest truth.
You know, what's really becoming self-evident in this conversation is just really
how synonymous what I would term the word being assertive is with courage.
You know, you have to be assertive with these kids. Having courage means being

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assertive, means being the bad cop, saying and doing what they don't want and
having the courage to follow through, even though it hurts you to do it and
it hurts them to do it. It's for the best for everybody.
You have to have that. that you have to be that port in the storm for them.
And bigot, transphobe, racist, homophobe, all that, those things don't matter. None of it matters.

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All you want, you want to draw strong boundaries and then you want to have consequences
for the adults in your child's life that don't follow those boundaries.
You have to be willing to exact consequences, whatever those consequences are.
Because if you can't draw those boundaries, if you continue to embrace inclusion,
Like we said in the very beginning, good parenting has always been about exclusion.

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It will always be about exclusion.
You have to adopt that mentality that good parenting is always about exclusion
until you, you as a parent, decide when to lighten that mentality.
Exclusion and start to give them some autonomy. But that certainly doesn't happen
until, again, you have to decide that age, but it's not five and six.

(48:31):
It's not seven. And that's what they're trying to do very early on in K through
12, starting in the kindergarten.
Right. Well, we've only got a couple minutes left, but I just had a little revelation
because I just recognized that I saw you in Robbie Starbuck's film, The War on Children.
Yes. I'm like, I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, he was in that.

(48:52):
And which is a super, super fabulous film. Everybody has to go see it.
Starbucks did such an amazing job. The War on Children. Yep.
Thewaronchildren.com.
Please go and watch that. I mean, it is the most, the best, the best documentary
about the war on, you know, attack on children. They covered everything.
It was great. They did. And one of the things that I've been mentioning the

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last several episodes is actually from that film where he describes the mere exposure effect.
Yeah. And this is where he describes, hey, just put an idea,
no matter really what it is, in front of kids or whatever your audience is.
And invariably, somebody or some percentage of these people are going to start to adapt.
They're going to adapt these ideas to themselves. That's right.

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But what do you think about that in the schools?
Oh, that is absolutely what the surveys are for. The social emotional surveys,
social emotional learning surveys that they get a couple times a year.
They have climate surveys that they do once a week, depending on the school, once every two weeks.
It's always asking the child how they're feeling. Do you feel sad?
Do you feel the scene? What's your family life like?

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Or do you think about suicide? Do you think about sex? Do you think about when
you say that, that's when they think about those things.
And that's what he's saying. And then he's absolutely right.
But it's even more prevalent in schools because they do it in the guise of mental health.
So, you know, it's kind of like, and you know what? And these are kids,
they're impressionable kids.
So they get it a hundred times worse than adult.

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But I got to tell you, imagine if you're an adult, okay. Okay.
You're okay you're a man right let's say you're a man you're you're at some corporate office.
Imagine if every week someone asks you
how do you feel about your wife how do you feel about your wife sometimes you'd be
like she's great we're busy where she's doing good you know we're doing this and
that but if you keep asking him that and you ask him has she annoyed you this
week has she done that has you that if you keep asking him that there's gonna

(50:41):
come a time where he has a fight with his wife and he'd be like yeah she's just
terrible and you're gonna put that in his head same thing with a wife has your
husband annoyed you has he does that has he has he not done,
you know, and what do you expect?
And if you keep asking someone that, you're just going to catch them on a bad
day where that spouse seems like the worst spouse in the world. Kids are the same thing.
Kids have, you know, if you've been around kids, you know, they have bad moments

(51:05):
like five or six times a day, but they get over it because they're kids, right?
One minute, this is the biggest, they cry and this is the worst thing the world's over.
And the next thing you know, they're as happy as can be. That's how kids are.
But if you keep asking them about how they're feeling and you don't let them
just get over it, which is what all kids do, that's what creates that destruction of mental health.
And then all of a sudden, everybody's thinking about suicide.

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All the children are thinking about sex. All the children are thinking they're
a different gender. Yeah, because you put that in their head by asking them.
That's it. It's like if I said to you right now, I said, after this,
I think I'm going to get some lunch. I'm kind of hungry. I feel like a
I feel like a steak, maybe Mexican food, maybe a steak and a baked potato and a beer. I don't know.

(51:48):
Your listeners are going to go, you know what? Steak sounds pretty good.
And I just, and I promise you that right now, everybody's listening.
If you include this part, they're going to go, oh shit, I am thinking about a steak.
That's how, because as human beings, we're always, our brains are always absorbing
information and we're easily influenced, especially when we're not expecting to be.
So that's what they're doing to kids. And that's what Ravi was talking about.

(52:09):
And that's absolutely true. you know and well i
got a minute left i just kind of had this memory of something
i don't know you've heard of td jakes his high magazine
called him the best preacher in the country at one point oh
okay yeah he's got this big church but anyway
i remember listening one time he was saying you know
what when men and women are in a fight and right

(52:30):
now he's not in good stead because apparently he's got some connection with
p diddy and this whole thing i'm not saying anything but this
is a good example that he gave we can still use this example we'll cling
to we'll hold it was good he said you know when a man
and a woman you know are like keeping everything between themselves
they get over stuff really quick but when
the woman is going over to her best friend and complaining and she's like oh

(52:52):
yeah girl he you know he's a real mess you need it and then the guy's coming
over you're talking to his friends or whatever it was like she's such a watch
and what you know you need a book and all of a sudden they come back into this
encounter with themselves and now they're at odds.
Now they won't forgive and get over stuff because these outside influences are
affecting their ability to move on.
That's right. And now kids are getting that in schools. Your parents don't see you.

(53:15):
Their parents don't love you. Their parents are not accepting of you.
They're not affirming of you. I mean, it's evil stuff, man. It really is.
We would not allow that. We would not allow that in our life at work.
Imagine if your boss or your coworker started influencing you like that in your
personal life. We would never allow that.
We would say, hey, that's enough. What is it your business? We're coworkers. You're overstepping.
But we get, this is a government institution that we pay taxes on.

(53:39):
And just because the building says school on it, all of a sudden, we don't know what to do.
We know what to do. We just got to get over these brainwashing things that we've
talked about today. And then you would never allow it for yourself.
You would never allow it in a private company.
You would never allow it in a public government institution to have the most
precious thing to you, which is your children. That's why we said in the very
beginning, if you don't stand up for your children today, they will live on their knees tomorrow.

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Well, you are a true light right now in society.
We need people doing exactly what you're doing because you're not just doing
the thing, but you're spreading it. You're teaching people.
You're encouraging people. You're multiplying the effect that we need to have
in each one of us at a time like this. Absolutely. So with that said,

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could you share with us your website, social media, anything like that?

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To expanding our team because we want to be in more places.
And so right now, there's a lot of things we can't do because we're trying to expand our team.
So those are the two best ways to support us, of course. And then share our
tools with people that don't know what's going on. That's honestly the best thing.
And so all the items at CourageIsAHabit.org is made for you,

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the everyday parent or the legislator or school board member that you get in,
you don't know what to do. These tools are made for you.
It's not made for someone who spends a lot of time on this, like you and I do probably.
It's meant for people who just go, I just want to know what's going on and what to do.
And then our socials are at Courage Habit. And that's at Courage Habit.

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So come find us, engage with us, and please use our tools and stand up for your
children. Alvin Louie, fantastic.
Thank you so much for your time. Thank you, sir. Have a blessed day and we'll
see you, hopefully again, You can come back on and we'll talk.
I'd love to come back. Absolutely. Yeah.
Thank you. So for our listeners, you can follow gaze against groomers at on Twitter, on Instagram.

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We have a state chapter pages for your state.
So like for instance, Arizona has their own. And as do many States go to gaze against groomers.com.
If you want to figure out how to get involved, start a chapter and you can email
me here at podcast at gaze against groomers.com.
If you have any questions, comments, or you'd like to suggest a guest.
Thanks a lot, and we will see you next week.